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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1425 on: October 10, 2020, 06:21:58 AM »
Huge.

Too gigantic even.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1426 on: October 10, 2020, 09:26:16 AM »
Huge.

Too gigantic even.

I mean on a technical level they look impressive but as game pieces I completely agree with this.

Further, since I really don't know how GW fills out the their Battle Tomes these days, am I the only one that finds a book for a faction that only has two models a bit excessive?
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1427 on: October 10, 2020, 09:56:17 AM »
 :icon_lol: :::cheers:::
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1428 on: October 10, 2020, 12:00:05 PM »
Further, since I really don't know how GW fills out the their Battle Tomes these days, am I the only one that finds a book for a faction that only has two models a bit excessive?

Agree!

I think they have made the variant pieces in each kit as a separate units... which is a way to do it.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1429 on: October 10, 2020, 09:03:50 PM »
Just saw the price, $195..... Jesus....

These I am quite fond of though


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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1430 on: October 10, 2020, 10:19:47 PM »
I also think they're too big. Its very much designed around the 40k Imperial Knight way of fighting. A few big models, all built out of one kit but "technically" different" and then a "troop choice" of still very expensive, slightly smaller versions.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1431 on: October 10, 2020, 10:57:47 PM »
I'm getting grumpy just thinking about it.

 :icon_lol:

I get the price, but ain't interested in buying at that price.  I like the idea of having an army, and I like the idea of being able to buy an army with $195.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1432 on: October 11, 2020, 02:37:03 AM »
I'm really not a fan of those kind of prices for a center piece, but even worse, if you're making an 'army' of this you're likely needing 3 of these plus a minimum of 3 to 6 little giants. That just seems like an entirely different game.

Remember when big challenging matches were a single giant vs a couple of heroes?

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1433 on: October 11, 2020, 04:51:23 PM »


So, I love the models, but the price is... uncool. I was expecting easily $160, but that extra $40 really feels like a step too far- especially when that puts an army of 3+ models at $600 USD.

That said, to Warlord and SOF's points, I actually quite like the size and the idea of an entire army of just 3-5 of them. Feels very mythical, which is perfectly in keeping with the AOS setting which is already rife with megafauna (even if Sigmar and Gorkamorka killed most of it). Per that illustration I posted before with the gargants storming the town, I can't help but mutter "fe fi fo fum" when I look at them. Besides- fewer units means more room for lore in the Battletome...  :happy:

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1434 on: October 12, 2020, 12:46:01 AM »
That said, to Warlord and SOF's points, I actually quite like the size and the idea of an entire army of just 3-5 of them. Feels very mythical, which is perfectly in keeping with the AOS setting which is already rife with megafauna (even if Sigmar and Gorkamorka killed most of it). Per that illustration I posted before with the gargants storming the town, I can't help but mutter "fe fi fo fum" when I look at them. Besides- fewer units means more room for lore in the Battletome...  :happy:

I get that there might be the tactics of which ability do you use in a combat but such small model count armies are just for RNGesus Evangelists in my book, not the kind of game I'd be looking to play given the expense.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1435 on: October 12, 2020, 06:10:50 PM »
Reckon it's just different strokes for different folks, then. One of my favorite scenes from the LOTR movies is the Mumak charge, I've previously brought an all-Treeman "Last March of the Ents" army to the table, and I've fought against an army of 4 Bloodthirsters at once before, so I may well be biased.



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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1436 on: October 12, 2020, 08:10:56 PM »
No, not Old Stonebeard, bias? That never happens. :icon_wink: :icon_lol:
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1437 on: October 12, 2020, 08:24:29 PM »
Something about black kettles and glass houses, my friend ;)

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1438 on: October 12, 2020, 09:21:26 PM »
We all have them. :icon_lol: :icon_mrgreen:
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1439 on: October 13, 2020, 11:36:01 AM »
Epic battles have a place.
Not every battle should be to that scale, otherwise they cease to be epic.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1440 on: October 13, 2020, 03:54:29 PM »
Well the good news there is that at those prices its certainly not going to be every battle. Even the folks who CAN afford one aren't going to spend the points to fit it into every army list. Especially on its own those things are going to absorb every ranged attack on the map right to the face.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1441 on: October 13, 2020, 04:07:25 PM »
I still have the old school puny one. Never really liked the next gen but I like the looks of these guys. Too bad there wasn’t a female and you could have a family.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1442 on: October 13, 2020, 04:09:27 PM »
 :icon_lol:  Although then ya'd have to buy two of them.  At $198 each, eek! :icon_eek:
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1443 on: October 13, 2020, 05:45:31 PM »
I have a nice little Giant tribe going, let by the old school metal one. Got a new plastic, a bunch of different reaper variants, all living in violent harmony.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1444 on: October 13, 2020, 05:46:21 PM »
I already bought a Lumineth army to spite the whingers on facebook. Between ya'll and the hot takes on Twitter, I'm gonna end up with Sons of Behemat too, cost be damned...
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Also, a decent read:
http://www.mengelminiatures.com/2020/10/review-sons-of-behemat.html?fbclid=IwAR3WeXsmUcQ0rHzlfMkj1eZDEP_yM8X7Ae1cNCKagNXn8W99UORgOWOEkd8

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1445 on: October 13, 2020, 05:48:51 PM »
Thats the system at work!

I do quite like the Lumineth. If I had a decent budget I'd buy some, but currently all my time and cash is getting sucked up by a failing quest to try and get some of the old special characters while I still can, with a bit of dwaddling in Necromunda or War Cry.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1446 on: October 15, 2020, 01:01:59 AM »
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Thats the system at work!

Well yes but actually no? I thought the system was to make the new army OPAF and then nerf it once everybody bought into it so they'll buy into the next OPAF release. Considering all the tournament types are screaming about how bad Sons of Behemat are, they definitely didn't go that route...

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1447 on: October 15, 2020, 01:28:38 AM »
Thats always been the internet war cry, but honestly I never really believed it. GW famously made some rather crappy rules for new units. For every over powered eradicator you have a few dozen early 8th edition primaris.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1448 on: October 15, 2020, 02:48:04 AM »
Thats true.
I dont think they make rules overpowered as on purpose as you expect. I think they are just not the best at balancing rules in the first place.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #1449 on: October 15, 2020, 03:27:18 PM »
Yeah I really don't think there's a plan behind it. They have confirmed that step 1 in the process is ALWAYS making a new model, then they give the new model to the lore and rules people and have them make things for the model, never the other way around. So I can imagine it gets a bit tough trying to constantly slot new things in.

It's gotten better now that they've actually hired a huge number of playtesters, but because most of those playtesters are top tier tournament players I'm not fully convinced the balance is better as a game, as opposed to better for competitive.