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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #400 on: April 26, 2016, 10:20:14 AM »
they're 40k orks without guns, and an IP friendly name.

Incredibly uninspiring.

It's just not that. They are too removed from the down to earth wargear they used to have in WHFB. I can only suspend my disbelief so far. It looks like they are wearing jagged bathtubs that they butchered and repurposed. Even 40k Orks looks like there is a mechanical logic to their armours. I just feel that there is too much style over substance all over the Age of Sigmar miniature line.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #401 on: April 26, 2016, 01:09:00 PM »
they're 40k orks without guns, and an IP friendly name.

Incredibly uninspiring.

It's just not that. They are too removed from the down to earth wargear they used to have in WHFB. I can only suspend my disbelief so far. It looks like they are wearing jagged bathtubs that they butchered and repurposed. Even 40k Orks looks like there is a mechanical logic to their armours. I just feel that there is too much style over substance all over the Age of Sigmar miniature line.

I agree - style over substance is the whole point of AOS though, and it makes sense from their perspective. If they are making a more straightforward game, GW just needs models that pass the "look cool test" so people who play casually will purchase.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #402 on: April 26, 2016, 05:18:08 PM »
I read a post on a f-book group collecting rumours.

Now, huge pinch of salt, as a rumour, on f-book.
But they predicted the knights renegade and flyer box set for 40k, both of which are true.

It said the sales of AoS have been terrible, but the sales of Fantasy models have seen a huge upsurge (speculated (to me obviously) people finishing collections and buying stuff in the "last chance" section before they get squatted)

The u-turn on ways to play might support this as being true.

the post talked about Kirby as a toxic figure who absolutely did not value Gameplaying or rules.

and talked about 50% of staff not making it out of the 6 month probation, and 75% leaving within a year. Shocking. if true. I feel sorry for the chap who runs the Exeter store on his own, it's a bonkers business model, for a shop which needs the guy to be running intro games, showing people how to paint, etc.


Of course we will never know as GW don't release that information :)
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #403 on: April 26, 2016, 05:21:00 PM »
still the warhammer app gives numerous news about new stores opening.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #404 on: April 26, 2016, 05:23:02 PM »
total anecdotal evidence- I was in Bournemouth for a work conference- happened to walk past a GW. Shut, with a sign on the door saying "this store is closed until we recruit a manager".
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #405 on: April 26, 2016, 06:04:53 PM »
I read a post on a f-book group collecting rumours.

Now, huge pinch of salt, as a rumour, on f-book.
But they predicted the knights renegade and flyer box set for 40k, both of which are true.

It said the sales of AoS have been terrible, but the sales of Fantasy models have seen a huge upsurge (speculated (to me obviously) people finishing collections and buying stuff in the "last chance" section before they get squatted)

The u-turn on ways to play might support this as being true.

the post talked about Kirby as a toxic figure who absolutely did not value Gameplaying or rules.

and talked about 50% of staff not making it out of the 6 month probation, and 75% leaving within a year. Shocking. if true. I feel sorry for the chap who runs the Exeter store on his own, it's a bonkers business model, for a shop which needs the guy to be running intro games, showing people how to paint, etc.


Of course we will never know as GW don't release that information :)


That set of rumours was on Faeit212 a week or so ago.   Don't know whether it was there first or not.   

Some of it sounded ike fan fiction to me

The annual financial report will be in July, it will only show overall sales figures,   so we will never know for sure how well Age of Sigmar is doing, or whether that exceeds or falls below their expectations.   

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #406 on: April 26, 2016, 06:29:40 PM »
Really doesn't matter now about Kirby, Rountree is the new guy in charge and he actually plays the games. :smile2:

Probably why the big turn around recently. Also, not sure that AoS is doing bad when every AoS tourney(about 30-120 players) has alot of people with the new armies.

Though you did say take it with salt which is wise with any rumor.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #407 on: April 26, 2016, 07:30:49 PM »
I read a post on a f-book group collecting rumours.

Now, huge pinch of salt, as a rumour, on f-book.
But they predicted the knights renegade and flyer box set for 40k, both of which are true.

It said the sales of AoS have been terrible, but the sales of Fantasy models have seen a huge upsurge (speculated (to me obviously) people finishing collections and buying stuff in the "last chance" section before they get squatted)

The u-turn on ways to play might support this as being true.

the post talked about Kirby as a toxic figure who absolutely did not value Gameplaying or rules.

and talked about 50% of staff not making it out of the 6 month probation, and 75% leaving within a year. Shocking. if true. I feel sorry for the chap who runs the Exeter store on his own, it's a bonkers business model, for a shop which needs the guy to be running intro games, showing people how to paint, etc.


Of course we will never know as GW don't release that information :)


That set of rumours was on Faeit212 a week or so ago.   Don't know whether it was there first or not.   

Some of it sounded ike fan fiction to me

The annual financial report will be in July, it will only show overall sales figures,   so we will never know for sure how well Age of Sigmar is doing, or whether that exceeds or falls below their expectations.

of course, but he got the knight renegade and flyer set right so it piqued my interest :)

Really doesn't matter now about Kirby, Rountree is the new guy in charge and he actually plays the games. :smile2:

Probably why the big turn around recently. Also, not sure that AoS is doing bad when every AoS tourney(about 30-120 players) has alot of people with the new armies.

Though you did say take it with salt which is wise with any rumor.
For sure, and the focus on specialist games, and actually discounted boxes. Rountree is off to a good start overall imo, Just a shame that AoS happened in the way that it did imo...
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #408 on: April 26, 2016, 10:16:26 PM »
I quite like that big toad thing. The pose is pretty good. Not good enough to buy it at that price though.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #409 on: April 27, 2016, 06:17:47 AM »
We just had a local game store go out of business. It sold mostly GW product and it was interesting because at its going out of business sale, the owner sold 40K product at a 25% discount and Age of Sigmar was 50% off. Not saying you can draw any conclusions about the overall success of AoS, worldwide, but at least here locally, AoS isn't a runaway hit.

My friend's game store does so-so with AoS but that's because if you sign up for their AoS 'program', he sells AoS minis at 20% off and the AoS buildings at 25%.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #410 on: April 27, 2016, 06:57:45 AM »
And locally for me,  it's the most popular game,   my local store is a GW,   but the change from 8th to AoS got rid of players who were making that store toxic.   It's a nicer atmosphere.   I'm not sure how popular the new ranges are, but people have been buying stuff to play the game.  Whether that's more than what would have been sold for 8th, I don't know.

From what I have read on forums, rumour sites and Facebook,   it seems it has been a flop in the USA,   and a mix elsewhere,   there are hotspots where it is popular, and places where even mentioning you like it will get a hostile reaction.


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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #411 on: April 27, 2016, 09:24:36 AM »
The main barrier for me personally is the new models. They are obviously targeting the 40k market, and the models are just too 40k and OTT for me. although the OTT aesthetic had been coming for years.
If they relased models I loved, i'd buy them to paint and try the game. Ie Adeptus Mechanicus 40k range (and previously Deldar 40k range)



now this is totally off topic but not sure where else to post...
The other thing that interested me was about forgeworld.
the rumour post stated basically
"forgeworld is doing great, with 30k etc. There are discussions to make it orderable to store, and to have the specialist game range orderable through store"

a day earlier I tried to buy some forgeworld rust powder and was absolutely astonished I couldn't have it delivered in store.
Just put it in the truck when it drives from Nottingham to Exeter with your next GW shipment!
absurd business practice.

Postage was only 0.60. If it had been a couple of pounds I wouldn't have bought the powder.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #412 on: April 27, 2016, 11:47:57 AM »
Yeah, I had problems getting my Dread Saurian delivered to store.   They would surely save on shipping costs by doing so, since it goes in with all the GW orders to store for that week.

I think Specialist Games will probably be available in store anyway, the announcement implied it would be staff moving from FW, implying that it is autonomous in the same sense as FW and BL.  Blood bowl was at the same toy fair we saw Lost Patrol and Battle for Vedros, so I think that is a probability that Specialist Games will have a wider availability than FW.

The bit that mentioned FW going to store also mentioned them increasing production.  There hasn't been any rumours of building work on the site, so that would have to be by making changes to existing space.  Probably wouldn't be too hard to check if FW had been advertising for production staff to see if there is credibility in that rumour.

FW stuff being sold directly in store has been rumoured for as long as plastic sisters and plastic thunderhawk.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #413 on: April 27, 2016, 06:53:50 PM »
Getting Forgeworld in the States is so expensive. I would have thought a production facility here would have been successful. If the prices were a bit more reasonable and you didn't have to pay for international shipping, I would have bought a ton of stuff from them. But I've only done 3 orders in all the years they've been around. Looked at the site plenty of times and wanted to order, but couldn't bring myself to do it.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #414 on: April 27, 2016, 09:28:13 PM »
And here's me thinking FW shipping was expensive here in the UK.   I got free shipping having ordered it while at their one came only Warhammer World store, and they didn't have one in stock that day.   I tend to go in with friends to get an order that qualifies for free postage, or wait an awful long time

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« Reply #415 on: April 28, 2016, 11:19:05 AM »
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #416 on: April 28, 2016, 11:38:10 AM »
And here's me thinking FW shipping was expensive here in the UK.   I got free shipping having ordered it while at their one came only Warhammer World store, and they didn't have one in stock that day.   I tend to go in with friends to get an order that qualifies for free postage, or wait an awful long time

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yes, I had stupidly forgotten abvout the rest of the world. Discussions about FW shipping obviously more impactful for them. still think you should be able to get them delivered to GW stores for free in UK though...
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #417 on: April 28, 2016, 08:27:00 PM »
It's the fluff that kills it for me. I want to play with my army from Luccini or whatever, not the space marines from space land.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #418 on: April 28, 2016, 11:15:59 PM »
Haha, well that's fair enough. The new aesthetics certainly aren't for everyone.

I personally like the Stormcast and have collected a basic force of them.(SKS's Stormcast would destroy me though in both military might and paint skill :-D)

They make me think of Dark Souls, Diablo and God of War. Massive knights going to battle against the odds in strange and eldritch realms against the hordes of hell.

I think GW shouldn't of focused on making them all so massive, though. Should have mixed in core units that would better fit a Empire or Bretonnian style like these guys:

http://hyruletotalwar.wikia.com/wiki/Triforce_Vanguard


In other news, new Ogors look to be on the horizon with a leak confirmation by Lady Atia.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #419 on: April 29, 2016, 12:23:57 AM »
And locally for me,  it's the most popular game,   my local store is a GW,   but the change from 8th to AoS got rid of players who were making that store toxic.   It's a nicer atmosphere.   



Not too familiar with the quoting part. Hopefully I got it right.
I just wanted to add that at our local GW, the manager (who is a friend) had basically said that WHFB was dead in the water from a fiscal point of view. Product was not moving and the regulars made the enviroment quite negative as well as very little in store purchases.
I'm not dissing the group as they are friends and we went to a lot of tournaments together - loads of fun - but the fantasy side of GW stagnant.
My own armies were always fluff armies and as such, I walked away with sportsman awards but never a victory. I wanted to field the models I liked but to do so made for a predictable end.
I have yet to try a battle with AOS but I'm looking forward to fielding the stuff I want with a good mixture of old and new models. I miss my old crew and the gaming nights and I thought the managers would miss them but to my surprise, they were happy to have them gone to reduce the negative environment.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #420 on: April 29, 2016, 04:18:44 AM »
I can't emphasize enough how having 14 armies, updated on average once every 5 years, with around a dozen kits or more per army, must have been very expensive as far as holding costs are concerned. For this reason alone, I can see that the decision to move in a new direction was justified.

Now, getting back on topic:

There's these pieces of artwork from the new book:





Who is the Gutlord? What is his golden horde?

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #421 on: April 29, 2016, 07:28:04 AM »
@Artoban's ghost,

Good to hear your fluff-heavy armies are getting a breath of fresh air from the competition scene.

Here's hoping your first AoS battle goes well! :::cheers:::


@Sharkbelly, 

Yeah, factoring in that those armies made 1% profit each...

Anyway, can't say who the Gutlord is but the lastest novel had a gigantic Ogor warlord and Ogors using massive Ironwall shields. Betting we might see a giant Ogor mini and the ironguts get massive shields in the rule updates.

Also, nice to see the gnoblars and goblins are in the book.
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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #422 on: April 29, 2016, 09:05:33 AM »
It's the fluff that kills it for me. I want to play with my army from Luccini or whatever, not the space marines from space land.

This is one of the main reasons I don't like Age of Sigmar as a setting. I have no interest in playing in a setting that looks like if He-man was written by Michael Moorcock high on opium. I would have liked it better if they had decided that the Warhammer world wasn't destroyed, if it was just Sigmar starting an all out war in the realm of the gods and he took the fight to Chaos with his reversed Chaos Warriors.

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Re: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS
« Reply #423 on: April 29, 2016, 09:46:29 AM »
Haha, well that's fair enough. The new aesthetics certainly aren't for everyone.

I personally like the Stormcast and have collected a basic force of them.(SKS's Stormcast would destroy me though in both military might and paint skill :-D)

You give me too much credit Baron!
Besides the Starter set and a part of the expansion set now complete and 2 heroes I don't have much of a force yet.
But thank you for the comment on my painting skill!
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« Reply #424 on: April 30, 2016, 09:54:44 AM »
Reboxed ghouls next week and then the Silver tower game. According to Darnok on Warseer.
Also rumors of an online Summer Campaign for AoS with a evolving map thing.
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