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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2017, 09:50:37 PM »
I try. :smile2:  :::cheers:::

I do wish Cathay had gotten more focus in the past. Chinese history is so insane with bits of epicness mixed in that it would've fit perfectly as a spotlight nation in Warhammer.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2017, 12:02:39 AM »
Just don't give them any ideas about Chinese dwarfs! :icon_wink:
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2017, 02:02:02 AM »
Just don't give them any ideas about Chinese dwarfs! :icon_wink:

Paint Terracotta and no faces would be the answer

Though honestly I remember an old tale from the late 90's is that GW though about doing an eastern faction of human at the time DoW came out but they couldn't get figures the liked and never thought on the subject again. Also a very sweet Nippon Samurai was entered in a Golden Daemon and should have one but GW's had a rule if they had not had a 'modern take on it an artist interpretation was not eligible.

In my ideal world of WHFB books there would be a "men of the East" book covering Cathay, Nippon, Ind, Kuresh, and such for a whole gamut of eastern races and through Hung on top as an allied contingent. Not something I've the knowledge to do but what I would like.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2017, 11:09:16 AM »
AOS is truly nothing at all like Fantasy.  Fantasy is long gone now. 

GW was cruel to kill it, but AOS is selling at a terrific pace so they had the right idea from that perspective.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2017, 11:33:37 AM »
AOS is truly nothing at all like Fantasy.  Fantasy is long gone now. 

GW was cruel to kill it, but AOS is selling at a terrific pace so they had the right idea from that perspective.

Can you keep this sort of talk in the AoS forum, I posted this here instead of complaining too much over there so as not too annoy the people who like AoS.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2017, 11:35:17 AM »
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2017, 11:46:47 AM »
I'm fine with people liking it (obviously), and glad it's selling well and agree they did need to change something from a business point of view.

but it's just not for me.

I'm hoping for good things from an epic or bfg reboot
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2017, 11:49:04 AM »
I was hoping for a WFB reboot, but with golden angels in armor selling faster than a herd of hopping hares, hope is dwindling.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2017, 11:50:17 AM »
I was hoping for a WFB reboot, but with golden angels in armor selling faster than a herd of hopping hares, hope is dwindling.
If AoS had failed, I think they'd have just cut it and focused on 40k, specialist games and selling IP for games.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2017, 12:20:30 PM »
Not a fan of AoS, or the new Slayer (Fyre?) models, but these look quite cool. A friend uses Titanforge blips as Gyrocopters and the idea is rather similar.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2017, 12:32:29 PM »
I was hoping for a WFB reboot, but with golden angels in armor selling faster than a herd of hopping hares, hope is dwindling.
If AoS had failed, I think they'd have just cut it and focused on 40k, specialist games and selling IP for games.
Yep, seems unlikely they'll return to the WFB world anytime too soon.

To think they had the desire to kill off an entire world, actually did, and in essence create a new one, one that has fluff about as interesting as a sand grain in the desert.  At least the Olde World had story and place and character.  And frankly, still can.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2017, 01:22:32 PM »
At least we have TW: Warhammer. It's the best thing that happened to Warhammer in years.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2017, 09:49:03 PM »
AOS is truly nothing at all like Fantasy.  Fantasy is long gone now. 

GW was cruel to kill it, but AOS is selling at a terrific pace so they had the right idea from that perspective.

Can you keep this sort of talk in the AoS forum, I posted this here instead of complaining too much over there so as not too annoy the people who like AoS.
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I am so out of the loop in terms of the actual friend interest or opinion on AOS!  Not intentionally trying to trigger anyone!  I am just saying GW did the right thing financially by killing Fantasy (which was hemorrhaging money) and bringing forth something that is new to try to get a new avenue for sales.  It appears to have worked given their financial successes these last two years.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2017, 10:41:16 PM »
I am just saying GW did the right thing financially by killing Fantasy (which was hemorrhaging money) and bringing forth something that is new to try to get a new avenue for sales.  It appears to have worked given their financial successes these last two years.

But that wasn't even the situation, WFB was profitable but not at the levels they wanted. On the later I think it very well may be a correlation doesn't equal causation, I think the largest boon for GW in the last few years was the much wider scope of IP licensing for video games.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2017, 10:46:04 PM »
That didn't appear to be what their financials were showing.  Their model sales have sky rocketed to this point.

As far as profitability, I guess it depends on what you are looking for.  We know fantasy sales were plummeting compared to 40k.  End Times might have changed that a bit, but everything I have read shows AOS to be a much more profitable line combined with a huge increase in 40k sales.  Specialist games are also reaping big sales.

I'll see if I can find the financials.  They itemize this stuff out pretty well.  I hadn't thought licensing was really growing by any appreciable amount.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2017, 11:47:35 PM »
I put a report earlier:

Quote from: Mymearan 693116 9126685 2bf8706c263775725193980811454140.jpg
So an operating profit for 2016 of

£16.86m + £13.8m = £30,66? That is CRAZY good!

Someone posted this:


 -------Income Statement - 31 May '15 - 1 Jun '14 - 2 Jun '13 - 3 Jun '12 - 29 May '11
 --Operating Profit / Loss - 16.48 -------- 12.3 ------- 21.25 ------ 19.14 ------ 15.24

Even if you factor in several million in currency profit, that is still more than any of the the last five years.

It appears listening to your customers does pay off, who knew :D

It's also good to note that someone calculated the combined royalties (Total War Warhammer,  Vermintide, etc) and they only made up 1/6 of GW's profit. The rest was all tabletop. :-D [/Quote]

There's also a miniature popularity report that put AoS in 4th place with X-wing, 40k and Warmachine in front of it last fall. (Busy right now but I'll edit in the source later.)

As for a BFG reboot:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/720884.page

Just don't give them any ideas about Chinese dwarfs! :icon_wink:

Aren't dwarfs basically chinese already?

-Big advanced empire that falls to barbarian hordes.
-first users of gunpowder and repeater crossbows. ("Time of Legends"  had them introduce them to Malekith and the Dark elves)
-Marked their history by building gargantuan structures.

Anyway, I actually suggested Cathy undead. :biggriin:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/718136.page

At least we have TW: Warhammer. It's the best thing that happened to Warhammer in years.

Agreed!   :::cheers:::

Edit: here's that report. http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36971/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2016

Hopefully 8th edition 40k can finally win it's spot back from X-wing.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2017, 06:26:45 AM »
I was hoping for a WFB reboot, but with golden angels in armor selling faster than a herd of hopping hares, hope is dwindling.
If AoS had failed, I think they'd have just cut it and focused on 40k, specialist games and selling IP for games.


That sort of is what they seem to be doing. I don't know how AoS is doing, as all of the fantasy groups/clubs here have split for either KoW, 9th Age, or 40k -- or some combination. These really seem aimed at a... "we're not going to make Squat minis... but... here's some AoS minis. Really. Not squats at all."  :wink:

AOS is truly nothing at all like Fantasy.  Fantasy is long gone now. 

GW was cruel to kill it, but AOS is selling at a terrific pace so they had the right idea from that perspective.

Can you keep this sort of talk in the AoS forum, I posted this here instead of complaining too much over there so as not too annoy the people who like AoS.
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Don't trigger me bro!

I thought the forum was going to stay kind of neutral? If you can't handle the trigger, maybe you should look for some sort of safe space.  :wink:


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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2017, 08:20:14 AM »
All this talk about AoS triggers me too. I need to go play some Warhammer Total War.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2017, 01:53:39 PM »
I dont get AoS. The fluff isn't appealing. The ruleset isn't appealing.
The models are interesting. If they had considered opening up WHFB like this, rather than using a whole new game system, i would probably have been fine enough with it.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2017, 02:17:33 PM »
It might help you in understanding it to remember that the current leadership of GW inherited AoS when it was failing due to the follies of the previous leadership, and scrambled to make the best of it. Like a platypus that evolved through many steps that were all plausible in their specific context, but in total produced a chimeric weirdo.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2017, 04:03:54 PM »
I dont get AoS. The fluff isn't appealing. The ruleset isn't appealing.
The models are interesting. If they had considered opening up WHFB like this, rather than using a whole new game system, i would probably have been fine enough with it.
I like some of the new models, like most of the Kharadrons (even Mr. monopoly dwarf is kinda growing on me, in a so-ridiculous-its-funny kinda way) and the Sylvaneth units... Stormcast Eternals, not so much.

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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2017, 04:14:24 PM »
It is all in the IP I guess.

I love the classic fantasy and now GW makes sure no one does it anymore. After all, they would not want serious competition.

Basically, the old gamers I know are still holding on to the old stock. They go old edition, 9th Age or KoW.

I have no time to keep up anymore, really. I liked the ability to customize your hero to be different and unique in the very game. Not simply in terms of fluff. Like his or her special taste made its mark on the tabletop.
All that is gone unless you go the 9th Age route.

AoS is fast food gaming. No need for considering why your hero would have a certain magic sword or ring. Because you do not get any choice.

KoW is probably good and I am slowly converting my units for it. But it is also blocky. All is standardized. you have 10, 20 or 40 lads in a unit. And that is it. You can give magic items, one to each unit. But the heroes can also only take a single item. Cool but not really WHFB.
But it seems that will be my future mass combat anyway. KoW.

My son expressed love for those... dwarfthings... I told him they were AoS. I fear I will have to get into AoS anyway. Well, it is cheap at least. I gto minis enough. But I guess he will have the edge over my old stuff.

For crying out loud I loved the old elves! I do not want new twisted things that are not fantasy looking... But what does a dad do? I will go Frostblade with the girlfriend. At least there are no ironpumpkin dwarfs with weird backstories...
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2017, 05:30:22 PM »
So I see some of the fluff has leaked as well. Barak Nar being the largest skyhold gets one of the biggest eye rolls ever.
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2017, 06:09:34 PM »
Barak-Varr means Sea-gate and their homes are all Ports so it's been pointed out as just a example of languages changing over time. The Overlord runes are also slightly different than the traditional runes so it's likely just their culture to be "off" from regular dwarfs. (Kinda like America and Great Britain. :laugh:)
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Re: WTF GW,
« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2017, 06:59:30 PM »
It's also good to note that someone calculated the combined royalties (Total War Warhammer,  Vermintide, etc) and they only made up 1/6 of GW's profit. The rest was all tabletop. :-D
1/6 of GW's profit is 16.66% in business that is quite a bit.  No company would want to not have that much of their profit.
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