Topic: 40K

[Finlay]

I wonder if there is a Saint Cannon already in the catholic pantheon. 

Where do you think they got the term Canonize?

I'll have a look what I need. I definitely need one of the cable and power packs which connect to lascannon, and also an autocannon.

[Fandir Nightshade]

Can´t we include the instant rimshot somewhere in the smiley array?

[rufus sparkfire]

You didn't ask, I offered  I'm probably not going to ever use them all, and I'd rather they go to one of my W-E brothers than one of the guys I have to play against at my LGS.

Well, that would be really fantastic! Thank you very much!

[Cannonofdoom]

You didn't ask, I offered  I'm probably not going to ever use them all, and I'd rather they go to one of my W-E brothers than one of the guys I have to play against at my LGS.

Well, that would be really fantastic! Thank you very much!

No problem! How many do you need? Like 4?

[rufus sparkfire]

No problem! How many do you need? Like 4?

Four would be perfect, if you have that many spare.

Thanks!

[Cannonofdoom]

No problem! How many do you need? Like 4?

Four would be perfect, if you have that many spare.

Thanks!

I live to serve my tenatacular overlord.

[rufus sparkfire]

Hurrah!



Time for another army list: grey knights/inquisition 1500 points

Inquisitor Coteaz 100
Ordo Xenos inquisitor - power armour, power sword, psykotroke grenades, 2 servo skulls 64

Vindicare Assassin 145
10 Purifiers - 2 incinerators, 6 halberds, 2 hammers, rhino 302

10 grey knights strike squad - 2 halberds, 2 psycannons, psybolts, rhino 290
10 henchmen - 3 plasma cannon servitors, 2 Jokaero, 5 warrior acolytes with pistol and sword, chimera 205
10 henchmen - 3 death cult, 3 crusaders, 3 warriors with meltaguns, 1 psyker, chimera 197
10 henchmen - 3 death cult, 3 crusaders, 3 warriors with meltaguns, 1 psyker, chimera 197

total = 1500 exactly.


The xenos inquisitor goes with the servitor squad, who shoot things. 3 plasma cannons and two lascannons, possibly with rending or +12" range! Coteaz joins one of the other henchmen squads, who can fight and also melt tanks. Coteaz can use his sanctuary power to upset people who want to charge them. The strike squad can deep strike if they feel like it, instead of using their rhino. Deepstrike = psycannons into the rear armour of tanks!

Can an independent character start the game in a dedicated transport if the transport's squad don't start in it also? So just Coteaz in the rhino while the strike squad stay in reserve? EDIT: I think they can.

Also, is the Vindicare's turbo-penetrator shot 3+4d6 with rending? Or just 4d6? It's listed as a sniper weapon, so should get S3 and rending, but I'm not sure if the 4d6 is intended to replace that. EDIT: seems to be 3+4d6, with every six on the 4d6 counting for rending.


Also also, ludicrous argument about how the purifiers' power works:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=235020&st=0

!

[MrDWhitey]

The Dark Eldar have discovered that 3+ cover saves don't matter so much for 3 jetbikes when they're bladestormed by 10 Dire Avengers. 

[Crimsonsphinx]

Hey Rufus,

Only the squad the transport is bought for can start in it.  If your inquisitor wants to start in it, he will need to be attached to the squad in the chimera.   Otherwise you will have to deploy right behind it and jump in on turn 1, which is hardly the end of the world.  Id quote pages for you, but I don't have my rulebook at work!

Im not sure exactly how the vindicare works.  Our groups just been using it as 4d6 without the +3 str because the ammo rules are quite specific on its armour penetration and we would expect it to say 4d6+3 if it was intended.  Doesn't really seem to matter as 14 is statistically average on 4d6 anyway! 

[rufus sparkfire]

Thanks crimson!

The vindicare seems to be controversial: I've seen some very angry forum arguments about it. Still, even if you don't get the +3, you still get four chances for rending!


Cortez probably wants to be with a squad rather than riding alone anyway.

[Crimsonsphinx]

I can see why their might be a lot of angry people discussing this.  So far with just 4d6 the local grey knight players vindicare has penetrated every tank he has shot and with ap1 hes blown nearly all of them up in 1 shot!  It seems fairly powerful without the +3.

Id just speak to someone before a game, and see what they think.  Most players are usually far more reasonable before a game when the +3 isnt so important [ie you are not asking for it when shooting up their landraider!]

[rufus sparkfire]

Good advice!

The vindicare might be a bit mean, but at least I'm not bringing three autocannon dreadnoughts like most internet lists!


The really angry arguments are about it shooting the necron lego tower...

[Crimsonsphinx]

Lego tower?  Monolith?  LOL.  That green crystal on top is like a lego piece.  I can imagine most necron players hate vindicares now.

[rufus sparkfire]

I can't look at necrons without thinking of lego.

[Blauer Nebel]

I can't look at Necrons without passing out from absolute boredom.

[MrDWhitey]

I can't even think of Necron's witho-

So I played three 40k in 40 minutes matches today against Blood Angels. Trying out three different lists for use in a tournament I'm not even going to, but people like to practice and it gives me more games.

List 1: Wave Serpent, some Dire Avengers in it with Bladestorm and three Dark Reapers, one with tempest launcher.
Thoughts: DA in WS are solid, good at taking out enemy units in a massive bladestorm. Reapers absolutely brilliant against enemy MEQ and quite good versus the low armour levels expected. Took out half the marines before being killed by jetpacking assault marines. Alright, but hanging back a bit is meh, and got hammered by fast assaulting.

List 2: WS, DA, 5 Pathfinders.
Thoughts: Pathfinders in this level sucked badly. I was silly for even trying them, not nearly the threat required to divert his attention from just killing them off the bat with his damn fast marines.

List 3: WS, DA, Striking Scorpions with Scorpion Claw Exarch.
Thoughts: Much better. I enjoyed this one a -lot- more than the other two. I have a history with Striking Scorpions, as one of my first 40k games involved an Eldar player cheating his way to victory using them (which he did for awhile before being caught out). They atoned and took on double their number in assault marines, eventually dying but leaving only one marine left. The number of high initiative attacks plus powerfist makes them quite versatile, especially with a 3+ armour save.

[rufus sparkfire]

What are the rules for 40K in 40min?

I have a history with Striking Scorpions, as one of my first 40k games involved an Eldar player cheating his way to victory using them (which he did for awhile before being caught out).

What did he do with them?

[Fandir Nightshade]

Well...he cheated!

Captain Obvious always to the rescue.

[MrDWhitey]

Assaulted first turn through a woods. Due to infiltrate they could deploy 12 inches away (no, over 12 you cheating balloon) and so with move through cover he was able to get the 6 he needed quite easily each time.

He was the kind of player who when rolling his dice to hit and wound, never looked at the dice. He looked at you to see what you were looking at. He was also a "Fluff" gamer.

We're using these, rufus: http://www.adepticon.org/11rules/2011cp.pdf

[Fandir Nightshade]

I am a fluff gamer too.....as stated grenade launchers and rocket launchers on steel legion. And the odd chimera in the army too.

[rufus sparkfire]

400 points don't buy a lot of grey knights!

I'd have one and a half squads at most.

[MrDWhitey]

That'll teach you for being a powergamer rufus!

I am a fluff gamer too.....as stated grenade launchers and rocket launchers on steel legion. And the odd chimera in the army too.

Every man equipped with a Sword of Justice for their lasgun wound rolls.

[rufus sparkfire]

Grey knights only have two troop choices without using special characters, and those rules forbid terminators too! And they aren't allowed to use their psychic powers.

So it doesn't look like much fun.

[MrDWhitey]

Powergamer!

[rufus sparkfire]

Imperial guard would be so much better at powergaming those rules!