Topic: 40K

[rufus sparkfire]

It's boring and unimaginative.

They also tend to have loads of five-man squads in razorbacks.

[Aldaris]

I would advise you not to mix Psicannon and Incinerator in one squad. They have very different applications, meaning one will be wasted.

[Crimsonsphinx]

It's boring and unimaginative.

They also tend to have loads of five-man squads in razorbacks.

Is that any different to space wolves doing the same thing, or the people spamming multiple sets 5 Dire Avengers in a wave serpent?  Its equally lame.

Doesn't mean everyone has to do this though.  I certainly don't.  As a general guide, I think that taking more than 2 of the same unit from heavy support is probably a bad idea if you want to have fun.  Much like taking two identical rares in fantasy.

[Aldaris]

Much like taking two identical rares in fantasy.

Doesn't detract from my fun at all!
 

I like writing good, efficient armies. Preferably non cookie-cutter. I also like units that are just "fun", but not to the point were I hamper myself when taking them.
Everybody has fun in different ways.

[Fandir Nightshade]

I like to crush my opponent and make a victory dance on his corpse.......while drinking beer.

[Crimsonsphinx]

I just have my own funny ways of list building   

Not very rare if you have multiple of things in my opinion.  But that is just me.  Some rare units are not especially brilliant.

[rufus sparkfire]

Is that any different to space wolves doing the same thing, or the people spamming multiple sets 5 Dire Avengers in a wave serpent?  Its equally lame.

That's boring too.

I would advise you not to mix Psicannon and Incinerator in one squad. They have very different applications, meaning one will be wasted.

Good point. The one problem with buying metal knights from ebay instead of expensive new plastic ones is that I have too many incinerators.

Wait, there's another problem too: metal knights come with halberds. Halberds cost 5 point for tactical squads, which is way too much. But they cost 2 points for purifiers, even though they have two attacks and are thus far better able to make use of the halberds... I don't understand the logic there.


OK, plan B is to use purifiers, since they get free incinerators and cheap halberds. Cortez joins them.

Cortez                        100
Ordo Xenos Inquisitor         power sword, 3 servo skulls               44
                        
vindicare assassin                        145
9 purifiers      2 incinerators, hammer, 6 halberds, rhino                  273
                        
10 grey knights      2 psycannons, hammer, halberd, rhino                  275
9 henchmen      3 plasma servitors, 2 jokaero, 4 bolters, chimera                  205
10 henchmen      3 plasma guns, 6 hotshot lasguns, 1 pistol/sword, chimera                  155
10 henchmen      3 melta guns, 6 hotshot lasguns, 1 pistol/sword, chimera                  155
                        
dreadnought      psycannon, incinerator                  145
                        
                     total = 1497

[Aldaris]

Better. Give it a go and tell us how it went.

[MrDWhitey]

Oh no, I took three Wraithlords at once, how awful of me! 

No, I just can't be bothered painting many models, and they came with the deal I had. 

[rufus sparkfire]

Oh no, I took three Wraithlords at once, how awful of me! 

You're allowed to.

I'm giving you special permission!


Unless they all have the same weapon options...

[MrDWhitey]

They did, because someone here told me to.

I could go back through the pages, but I'll just blame Crimson.

[Aldaris]

You never obey when I tell you to do something.

Racist.

[MrDWhitey]

I am many things Aldaris, most of them "ists" or "obes". 

But I only claim obedience when it's convenient... oh the joke relating to a certain people during a certain war I could make. 

[Aldaris]

Doesn't apply. Wasn't me.
 

[MrDWhitey]

Then why would any man have so many bikes in his garage? 

[Aldaris]

Redistribution of bicyclical ressources.

We have so many left over we get one from the state every two years. Unfortunately, they're not quite cutting edge technology wise.

[Finlay]

Every grey knights list I see on the internet has three dreadnoughts with double autocannons!

I hope 40K players aren't that lame really.

Any different to waltar, wizard lord, lots of halberdiers, 3 mortars and 2 cannons?

And maybe Grey knights need to make a really tight list to be good? dunno.

Also, I thought you werent going to use cortez?

[McKnight]

Its typical 40k thought. If a unit works, then add more of those units.

Examples:
razorback spams
Dread noughts (not just dakka dreads)
Long fang spam with missile launchers

The list goes on.
Dakka dreads are just something that works for Grey knights. BUT That doesn't mean that everybody plays that way. The lists that are on the internet are often the best lists. Thats what you go to the internet for, to optimize your list. Thats even what you did rufus.
Its the same all the time, one comes on and posts a list and people automatically give replies of how to optimize.

[GamesPoet]

Impossible.  No one ever goes to the internet to opimize their lists.  Unheard of, doesn't happen.

[McKnight]

But.. but... even Rufus does and he is like, the most fluffiest player i know!

[Mathi Alfblut]

I went to the internet to get variation and fun imput. I went to the internet to get tips about deployment, formations and tactics for using what I have. But instead of getting any of that people always started with what I should throw away and what I should spam. When I said changing much in the units was no option since I believe that real tactics seldom means that you can pick and choose but that you work with what you have I were treated like something the cat dragged in. And when I asked for advice on what tactics to use with the army I had I got no help. No one seemed to understand what I asked about or my way of thinking.

Hence I maintain I am just as tactically interested as any competitive gamer, but I see things from another perspective. I can understand the other perspectives and think along those lines, but I feel none are interested in doing it the other way around. Which is strange cause I see that as a true tactical challenge.

[McKnight]

I know, right!

I have the same feeling about some internet forums where one asks advice. Boom and your list has been changed from its original thought.

Its not a bad thing per se, I just think its fun to observe the trend .

Im organizing a campaign at work and when one of the players asked for advice on the Danish warhammer forum, everybody came with suggestions of what to take, even though he had stated what he wanted to play with and he didnt want to powergame in the campaign.

[Aldaris]

Well, here's what I imagine could be a fun Nurgle CSM list. Quite fluffy, and quite playable I think. But quite on the expensive side with 2 Forgeworld models...

***************  1 HQ  *************** 

Demon Prince
- Wings
- MoN
- Warptime
 - - - > 175


***************  1 Elite  *************** 

7 Chaos Terminators
-  Icon of Nurgle
- 1 x Terminator Champion (2x LC)
- 1 x Terminator (2x LC)
- 1 x Terminator  Powerfist + Combimelta
- 1 x Terminator  Chain fist + Combimelta
- 1 x Terminator  Powerweapon + Combimelta
- 1 x Terminator  Powerweapon + Combimelta
- 1 x Terminator  Powerweapon + Heavy Flamer
 - - - > 350


***************  3 Core *************** 

7 Plague Marines
- Personal Icon
- 2 x Melter
+ Plague Champion
   - Powerfist
+ - Chaos Rhino
 - - - > 261


7 Plague Marines
- Personal Icon
- 2 x Melter
+ Plague Champion
   - Powerfist
+ - Chaos Rhino
 - - - > 261


7 Plague Marines
- Personal Icon
- 2 x Melter
+ Plague Champion
   - Powerfist
+ - Chaos Rhino
 - - - > 261

***************  1 Fast Attack *************** 

1 Blight Drone of Nurgle
- Mawcannon
- Reaper Autocannon
 - - - > 125


***************  3 Heavy Suppport *************** 

Plague Hulk of Nurgle
- 2 DCCW
- Rancid Vomit Attack
- Rot Cannon
 - - - > 205

7 Chaos Space Marines Havocs
- 4 x Missile Launcher
+ - Chaos Rhino
 - - - > 220

Chaos-Vindicator
- Demonic Posession
 - - - > 145


1998

[MrDWhitey]

ILLEGAL LIST FORGEWORLDSTUFF RABBLE RABBLE.

Does anyone actually know anyone who'll go "No, I never want to play against Forgeworld stuff"? I know their kind exist but... this is why we have fire.

I want to try out some of the Eldar stuff, and a friend of mine wants to do those traitor guardsmen in imperial armour.

[Aldaris]

Don't know the Eldar stuff (rules wise) but the Blight Drone and the Plague Hulk seem really nice. Awesome models, and hey - the Hulk may be a bit on the points intensive side, but AV13 with Demonic Possession and a built in 4+ coversave aren't too bad for a Walker...