Topic: 40K

[Aldaris]

Potentially a lot more.

And you'd have a big advantage when you bring as many different guns as possible, since they'd all be resolved separately and the chance that any hits would be discarded because of overkill would be significantly reduced.

[rufus sparkfire]

Is that bad though? If so, why?

[Aldaris]

Not bad per se, you'd just potentially open the door to a different kind of exploit.

All in all wound allocation usually works fine the way it is, but I suppose just ruling that all hits from each weapon type need to be distributed evenly (instead of just the total number of hits) would eliminate all propblems. Then you could still resolve them all at the same time.
I hope that was understandable.

[der Hurenwiebel]

understandable to me, I'd kind of like to resolve all weapon types from a unit at a given time, really get bang for my bucks out of those long fang units and their razorbacks. 

good thing for my opponent I can't take too many of them.

It's why I like the "fire supported spearhead" form of build anyways It doesn't need to be rules lawyered or spammed or any other type of gamer profanity.  it just works in a logical manner.

[GamesPoet]

But.. but... even Rufus does and he is like, the most fluffiest player i know!

I don't believe it.

That he does it that is.  If he does, he's no longer the fluffiest.

[GamesPoet]

... 6th edition rumours ...

When's that coming out, another 2 or 3 years from now?

[McKnight]

... 6th edition rumours ...

When's that coming out, another 2 or 3 years from now?

No, this summer;) in 2012 of course

[Finlay]

I just don't want to have to think "right, so my leman russ should surely fire all its guns here... but actually firing the bolters would be a disadvantage so I'll just fire the main gun"- and have to work this out everytime, and then come out worse for firing more weapons.

That's stupid! it makes me not want to play 40k.
Which obviously is a ridiculous over reaction

[GamesPoet]

... 6th edition rumours ...

When's that coming out, another 2 or 3 years from now?

No, this summer;) in 2012 of course

Phew, well thats a relief, still plenty of time to learn 5th editon then, thank goodness its not happening, too soon.

[Finlay]

Would it be unfair of me to take a leman russ in a 750 pt IG list, vs Rufus' grey knights, knowing he wont be using a vindicare, or a Dakka dread?

He can basically only kill it with melta henchmen?

[phillyt]

What is a dakka dread?

[Finlay]

What is a dakka dread?

2 twin linked autocannons, with psybolt ammo for +1 strength,

so 4 twin linked missile launchers.

[phillyt]

Can we not ever, ever call that a dakka dread again?  If I see it, I will delete that post.  The only things which have Dakka attached to them are orky things.  The only dread with dakka in its name is a dakka dredd which is a deff dredd armed with 2 rokkit launchas.

Fools!

[Aldaris]

Would it be unfair of me to take a leman russ in a 750 pt IG list, vs Rufus' grey knights, knowing he wont be using a vindicare, or a Dakka dread?

He can basically only kill it with melta henchmen?

The dread doesn't have much chance to silence the Russ anyway (needing 6's to glance) - Melta is much more likely to be effective. And since those Meltas aren't footslogging, it's doable.

I would have no qualms about the Russ. You and Rufus on the other hand are supposed to be cushy fluff gamers, so you should be ashamed for even considering it.

[Mogsam]

Is this completely incompetant? I'm being abused into starting a small 40k Guard army and I've been converting everything for it. The idea is to play with different races ala Tau but without the static firing and represent it using guard rules.

All the plasma guys will be Vespid models sans wings. They look like specialists that way. If Plasma is a stupid choice then as long as they are all armed the same I couldn't care less as to what they change in too.

Company Command Regimental Standard, plasma gun 80

Veteran Squad Heavy bolter, carapace armour, Plasma gun, Chimera 180

Veteran Squad 2 x Plasma Guns, carapace armour Chimera 175

Armoured Sentinel, Autocannon 60 - Looks cool.

[Finlay]

Would it be unfair of me to take a leman russ in a 750 pt IG list, vs Rufus' grey knights, knowing he wont be using a vindicare, or a Dakka dread?

He can basically only kill it with melta henchmen?

The dread doesn't have much chance to silence the Russ anyway (needing 6's to glance) - Melta is much more likely to be effective. And since those Meltas aren't footslogging, it's doable.

I would have no qualms about the Russ. You and Rufus on the other hand are supposed to be cushy fluff gamers, so you should be ashamed for even considering it.

It's not about cushy fluff gaming, it's that I don't want to make the game boring, with an unkillable unit destroying his entire (small) army. at 750 points, and with GK, there might be funny balance issues at smaller points?

What would be the point of playing that game, unless you were at a tourney!

But I am struggling writing a 750 list to transport, as well as my 2500 orc army. 70 dudes, 2 chimeras and a sentinel! ridiculous.

Or, 50 dudes, 2 chimeras and a leman russ.

[phillyt]

I would just drop the leman russ on the table.  It is important to remain cool.  That little force loves their tank.  It protects them.

[Aldaris]

@ Finlay: let's put it this way - if he's footslogging or you de-mech him early, he's going to be hurting. If he manages to get close he's fine, and when he goes first he has a reasonable chance of making it. But the essence is: a Russ is very strong at this points level. Especially if you also have to deal with a ton of infantry.

@ Mogsam: Some issues. The banner won't do much for you since your troops are riding in APCs. As to your actual squads, here's a suggestion, keeping your basic setup:

***************  1 HQ  *************** 

CCS
- Company Commander (bolter)
- 1 x Veteran weapon team heavy bolter
- 2 x Veteran with Grenade launchers
 - - - > 72

***************  2 Troops *************** 

Veteran squad
- 1 x Veteran weapon team lascannon
- 3 x Veteran w/ plasmagun
+ Chimera
   - multilaser
   - heavy flamer
 - - - > 190

Veteran squad
- 1 x Veteran weapon team lascannon
- 3 x Veteran w/ melter
+ Chimera
   - multilaser
   - heavy flamer
 - - - > 175

***************  1 Fast Attack  *************** 

1 Armoured Sentinel
- 1 x autocannon
- 1 x searchlight
 - - - > 61

498

That should kick some ass.

@ Phil: my man!

[McKnight]

Dakka dread!!!!

Nobody uses a Dakka deffdread... I hope...

[Crimsonsphinx]

What is a dakka dread?

2 twin linked autocannons, with psybolt ammo for +1 strength,

so 4 twin linked missile launchers.

On the internet this is actually usually referred to as the Rifleman Dread, after its very similarly armed Battletech mech armed with four large calibre autocannon   

You only need to worry about firing the Leman Russes bolters Finlay if you think your battle cannon will hit and wound everyone in the squad.  If it isn't likely, or is indeed impossible due to spread of troops, then you may as well fire the heavy bolters.

Edit:  The term dakka is usually applied to Ork units, but it usually means a large volume of fire.  I am not sure four shots is really dakka.

[rufus sparkfire]

Dakka Dread Dakka Dread Dakka Dread Dakka Dread


OK, so what do I bring in my 750 points of grey knights to defeat finlay and his lemon rusk guard army?

Keeping in mind the mandatory two troop choices cost 550-600 points! And that henchmen are not troops, so no meltas. At least I can take a 25 point inquisitor for the mandatory HQ.

I'm bringing Simon the Psycannon dreadnought, which is 145 points. The internet claims that psycannons are moderately likely to kill AV 14.

[Aldaris]

Henchmen are troops with Coteaz.
And hey - you even have a model of him! What a nice coincidence.

I would suggest something like this. I tried to remember what you have and what you like, so here goes:

***************  1 HQ  *************** 

Inquisitor Coteaz (needs to go with the the shooty Hechmen so the Servitors won't shut down)
 - - - > 100


***************  2 Troops *************** 

Henchmen
+ 2 Servitors
   - 2 x Multimelta
+ 1 Jokaero
+ 8 Warrior Acolytes
   - 3 x Melter
+ - Chimera
   - Multilaser
   - Heavy Flamer
 - - - > 172


Henchmen
+ 3 Crusaders
+ 6 Deatchcult Assassins
+ - Chimera
   - Multilaser
   - Heavy Flamer
 - - - > 190

(this squad is basically total overkill against guard, but I tried not to tailor too much. Your goal should be to charge at least two enemy squads at once.)

***************  1 Fast attack *************** 

Interceptor Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 3 x Nemesis Sword
- 3 x Storm Bolters
- 1 x Psicannon
+ Justicar
   - Nemesis Demonhammer
   - Storm Bolter
 - - - > 150


***************  1 Heavy Support *************** 

Cybot
- Nemesis Doomfist
- Heavy Flamer
- Twin linked assault cannon
- Psibolt ammo
 - - - > 140

(this is the configuration you have, isn't it?  Assault cannon will give you 4 S6 rending shots (S7 with the ammo) like a psicannon, so the rules are the same)

752

two points over. I hope that isn't a problem.

[Crimsonsphinx]

Dakka Dread Dakka Dread Dakka Dread Dakka Dread


OK, so what do I bring in my 750 points of grey knights to defeat finlay and his lemon rusk guard army?

Keeping in mind the mandatory two troop choices cost 550-600 points! And that henchmen are not troops, so no meltas. At least I can take a 25 point inquisitor for the mandatory HQ.

I'm bringing Simon the Psycannon dreadnought, which is 145 points. The internet claims that psycannons are moderately likely to kill AV 14.

Rending s7?  Should be fairly capable I would have thought as Assault cannons do a good job against armour 14 and they are lower strength. 

Aldaris, can you have psybolt ammo on an assault cannon?  Wheres the beardy smiley?!

[rufus sparkfire]

I would suggest something like this. I tried to remember what you have and what you like, so here goes:

Thanks Aldaris!

I had been thinking of going all-grey-knights at this point level. So actually henchmen are the way to go?

I can't make exactly that list (model issues), but I can do something pretty close.

can you have psybolt ammo on an assault cannon? 

Yes, that's how you get the psycannon dreadnought. A psycannon is just an assault cannon with psybolts. It's not twin-linked though: dreadnought weapons are all twin-linked apart from assault cannons and plasma cannons.

[Aldaris]

It's not twin-linked though: dreadnought weapons are all twin-linked apart from assault cannons and plasma cannons.

You're right, I'm using a German program to write lists, so I have to translate manually when i post one here. Got "Autokanone" (autocannon) and "Sturmkanone" (assault cannon) mixed up.

Concerning choices, yes, I'd consider Hechmen the way to go. Sure you can do a knights army too, but you simply won't have a lot at this points level.