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Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 22, 2005, 08:49:05 AM
What do we know.

Its a 5 day round ending on Thursday.

We have a decent lead at Kaltenbach of 8200 but Kaltenbach still carries the 25% bonus flag for both T-Land and us.

We are behind at the Uneasy by 4450, Stirland now have access to Bechafen.

We have some unreported games in hand to apply this round.

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What I suspect might happen.

T-Land will be putting a lot of points in at Bechafen.
Stirland will focus on The Uneasy making a concerted effort from us needed if we want to take it.

It will take some attacks from T-Land into UDO's to make Stirland split their reports, and if that doesnt happen then we probably wont keep the uneasy.

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I have 2 games from yesterday. Draw and Solid and 1 game to play on Tuesday. I'll be short two games from my allotment
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Vann Harl on August 22, 2005, 08:58:03 AM
I have a Massacre vs Empire and a Major Victor vs Lizards to use.


Gentlemen and Generals. We have been on the back foot for some time now. Defending! defending! Is there no possibility of attack? where can we quickly gain an advantage somewhere?

We have been RE-acting to threats from either side. Can we not now change the tables and make PRO-active strike?

1) Maybe an "orderly retreat" at the Uneasy, ready to abandon it to its fate.
2) Hit Bechafen hard to push up the riot points.
3) Early defence at Kaltenbach extend our lead to deter T-land from attacking there.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 22, 2005, 12:03:15 PM
You forget, that the Uneasy is ours because of an Attack.

Early indications are that T-Land are fortifying Ryas Sisters and have given Stirland a small mountain to climb there. There is small threat of attack at Kaltenbach.

Whatever we do this round we have to do decisively. I just feel somewhat listless about it. If we attack and succeed it just means modifiers for the opposition so they can take it back.

A lot of our effort has already been posted at the Watchman. Perhaps we should just slam dunk it. If we keep it then Stirland are looking at 2 turns again to get to Bechafen that way and may just back off.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Vann Harl on August 22, 2005, 01:52:08 PM
hmm,  :? attacking a contested position is better then not attacking at all. But like you said lets do it decisively.

Lets hear from the rest of Generals. We've driven the Stirlanders back once before! Lets make them pay dearly for attempting to take the Uneasy!
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 22, 2005, 04:39:51 PM
Quote from: Vann Harl

2) Hit Bechafen hard to push up the riot points.


I am not sure if that is right?

My impression of the rules there was that 'skirmishes' scores of say 200pts added 100pts to the riots scores.

I am not sure that reporting a battle there adds to the riot scores?

I am holding my thoughts at the moment - I've asked Rorrak for some figures in the 'standings' thread.

We indeed have options as Van Harl says - I am not sure which is the best way forward.

We can attack: The Watchman, Brustenbruck and Bechafen.

We can bolster/defend: Kaltenback & Fort Grigory

Do not forget the last one, if we lose the Watchman, Fort Grigory must be a possible Stirland Target.

What worries me at the moment is that I see very little to convince me Stirland or Talabecland will attack each other, and we do need that to happen - badly.
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Nightshadow on August 22, 2005, 04:47:09 PM
I was also under the impression that Skirmishes increase the riot factor, and normal battles don't.

It's because that d*mn anti middenland modifier campaign, we already had a lot less active members, and now are at risk we cant compete against our opponents.

Anyway, I think that if we give way at The Uneasy Watchman, we unleash a Stirland tidal wave against Fort Grigory. So I say we keep stubbornly attacking TUW.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: jmanwarhammer on August 23, 2005, 01:28:05 AM
Just a few thoughts.

I doubt that Talabecland has any true intentions of taking Kaltenbach, they have no advantage to gain there; except maybe to split our focus. But as has been demonstrated in the past they can be rather foolish so not much is certain.

We should definitly make very effort to keep the Uneasy, for several reasons.
- It may disuade them from attacking there again.
- If they do attack there again then let them, the campaign is almost over (the original runtime was 4-6 rounds but this may have changed due to the shortened rounds), the more battle reports they put at the Watchmen the less they have at Bechafen.
- While they are attemting to retake TUW Talabecland may wise up and see the oppurtunity to attack the Stirlanders.
-  I'm sure there are other reasons, I know I had more but forgot them while typing, but these seem the most prominent.

Keep in mind Midaski I have about 1000 points to put where we need em'.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Guvnor on August 23, 2005, 07:21:45 AM
Well if the watchman falls then the Stirlanders can have even more likelihood of taking Bechafen.
I would recommend imo that split the results like this would work:
 
I'm going to split the results into fifths so they divide better
 
1. 3/5 of results at the uneasy
2. 1/5 at Kaltenbach
3. 1/5 at Bechafen
 
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 23, 2005, 07:45:14 AM
I added some stats to the current standings program.
 
We are reporting almost as many games as Stirland but we don't have the perfect quality games that they do.
 
Tonights game will be a compliant list to try get the 25% bonus if I get a game against empire.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 23, 2005, 10:33:40 AM
I've had the "start of round" figures from Rorrak, and they make interesting reading.

At the start of Round 5, and with the initial 15,000 points per location removed;

Stirland - 125350
Talabecland - 77900
Middenland/Kislev - 71350

The modifiers are still in there, and I think we had some fairly hefty ones in Round 1.

I'm not very good at tables, but here are the round by round points per faction:

Round .............Stirland.....................Talabec...............Mid/Kis

2: ...................19650 ...................... 7450 .................. 8350
3: .................. 31250 ..................... 19950 ................ 17900
4: .................. 38350 ..................... 19850 ................ 28250

There are some oddities, in that round 2 seemed very low scoring, and scores have grown round by round.

Stirland overall seen to have posted roughly 61% more points than us, and 75% more than Talabecland.
I am also a bit bemused as to how we generated 28,250 points suddenly last round - I did a bit of emailing, and we had a few turn up, but can we maintain that?

Anyway the point of all this is the future.

Realistically Stirland have it all sewn up if they continue to post those sort of figures.
If we have to fight off Talabecland, neither of us can defeat Stirland - the proof of this is in the first 3 rounds where nothing happened at Kaltenbach and Stirland were in deep doodah. :wink:

What to do now then? :?:

The round finishes on Thursday.

I think we need to win the Watchman, BUT we should make a late surge.

I think they are about 10000 points ahead of us there - can we 'collect' that much and a bit more for a decisive move on Thursday - European time tho' - the General is doing the tally.

We need to convince/bluff Stirland we have given in at the Watchman -
and get them posting elsewhere.
We could throw a couple of minor scores at Fort Grigory, to give the impression we are fortifying it for the next round after we have lost the Watchman :wink:

There seems to be some 'new' activity at Udo's Fall - it is getting close again, and Stirland will need to counter it

The other place they are looking at is Bechafen -
We are down there now, and so it would look logical for us to attack there.
Stirland and Talabecland are starting to concentrate some efforts there too.

To Summarise:

1. We need some big scores held back for a late surge at the Watchman.

2. We post odd battles to Bechafen and Fort Grigory.

3. We do nothing at Kaltembach, unless Talabecland make a surge.
[If they do we have our back up points meant for the Watchman if we are really in trouble.]


It's 'propaganda' with our battle report posting.........
Plan open to criticism :wink:

In the meantime: - 'scores in the bank'

I have 1400 points and a game tonight - expected fairly even
Jman said above he has 1000pts approx -
Van Harl has something
Rorrak too?

Maybe let's keep the 1000+ results, and post up some draws and minors.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 23, 2005, 11:43:11 AM
I have a game coming tonight and with luck the tentative game I arranged is a fully modified one. I've decided to go with the limited shadow mage, swap some knightly orders to White wolf (sadly not painted due to fur conversions) and so on to get compliant. This has every chance of a maximum score.

Additionally my wife is showing interest in playing again. She used to play the wood elves and has agreed to small wednesday games to see if she will enjoy it again. She is really enjoying Mordheim again. Don't expect a massacre here as thats not the ideal way to re-introduce her. But a Scenario and compliant List, Solid Victory is not out of the question. She is aware of the campaign and game effect and is very supportive and accomodating of my hobby. (Something that I really appreciate)


So a likely 2100 - 2700 points from me.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 23, 2005, 11:47:33 AM
As to the plan, Its a really good one.

They are 10k ahead, if we post elsewhere it will look like we are conceding TUW and then a late rush may meet with no games in hand to respond.

We just need to post our lowest scores elsewhere and Fort G does make it look like we are preparing for the worst. Along side your summary in the shared area.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Guvnor on August 23, 2005, 12:38:24 PM
Does that mean when i play on thurs it won't count this round?
Because i should get a couple of scenarios in against an undead force, this should be draw at least.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Vann Harl on August 23, 2005, 12:44:41 PM
So Midaski Its up to you and I to post some propaganda in tho open forum then hey?
How about a little  stiring? possibly hint at an alliance between us and T-land?
In fact are alliances totally out of the option? After all we and T-land are Ulricans, even if they are misguided ones.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: General Helstrom on August 23, 2005, 01:11:31 PM
Alliances are out of the options. You guys are supposed to hate each other. Get in character :-D
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Erken on August 23, 2005, 02:06:38 PM
I just want to say that I think what Midasky has suggested is the best option right now, lets save up and go for the Uneasy on thursday .
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 23, 2005, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: Vann Harl
So Midaski Its up to you and I to post some propaganda in tho open forum then hey?
How about a little  stiring? possibly hint at an alliance between us and T-land?
In fact are alliances totally out of the option? After all we and T-land are Ulricans, even if they are misguided ones.


I'm not sure you should be taunting the Talabeclanders Van Harl, we want to keep things quiet at Kaltenbach.......

.........and announcing a big movement to The Watchman may not be very clever :wink:

If you'd said "on to Bechafen" it may have helped more............
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: RGB on August 23, 2005, 03:05:21 PM
Okay guys, please let's not do anything too obvious. I think GH and the rest are aware of the situation and we won't be left out cold and dead so.

It really doesn't look that good if we keep harassing the Stirs and asking the Talabecsmen to help. Northern pride, northern pride.

Cheers.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 23, 2005, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: RGB
Okay guys, please let's not do anything too obvious.


Obvious was exactly what I was trying to avoid. :wink:


Quote from: RGB

It really doesn't look that good if we keep harassing the Stirs and asking the Talabecsmen to help. Northern pride, northern pride.
Cheers.


1. Nobody has asked the Talabeclanders for Help. If there has been some suggestion by reasoning, or use of figures, that it is not in their interest to attack us, then that is just explaining the facts.

2. Harrassing the Stirs? Not sure what you mean?
If you are talking about 'banter' then I suggest you look at the pre-start threads in the Campaign forum - I think you will find certain STirland members VERY prominent, and ours were remarkably understated.

If you are talking about references to their uncanny knack of achieving massacres then I have nothing much to say, as I do not think I wish to have a proper argument about it, as I might get very expansive, which is not in keeping with my position :wink:

I have actually kept my real feelings about it quiet, even in our forum, as I am not too impressed with some of the 'sympathetic' platitudes being extended.
 :roll:


Anyway back to Tactics

Unfortunately elieress posted 3 battles at TUW this morning as I posted my ideas.

The current gap I make 7000 - the Stirlanders may now panic and post some results there which will make taking it back much harder.

Let's not post anything more at The Watchman for the time being.
If you have a big points score let us know in this thread, and hold on to it.

If you have a draw or a minor with the odd bonus - then it might be worth putting it up at Fort Grigory or Bechafen.
 :)

Are we sticking to a plan or not - if you disagree then shout........
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: RGB on August 23, 2005, 03:32:44 PM
Heh, the massacres.

Yeah. Hard to do anything about it.


Well, I know that you're trying to talk some sense into Talabecsmen but it still looks like asking for help. In any case, they've heard it now, so hey, they may do something wise for a change and stop wasting their time at Kaltenbach.

Anyway...

Whatevs. I got my first massacre ever last night. I was quite amazed. I posted at the Watchman, that's where we are attacking, no?

EDIT: Egads, I screwed up. Apologies. I do have another game on Thursday though.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 23, 2005, 03:38:32 PM
@rgb - hey okay that's fine.

Attacking Yes and no :wink:  

You haven't read the previous page threads from this morning, and I've just edited my last one too.
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: RGB on August 23, 2005, 03:39:11 PM
It's okay. Only you and I saw it, so I removed it.

I'll post it Thursday then.

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Which faction did you fight for?
Middenland/Kislev
Which race did you fight against?
Empire
At which location did you fight?
The Uneasy Watchman
What was the outcome of the battle?
Massacre
Did you use one of the location's Scenarios?
No
Did you use the Campaign Army List appropriate for your faction?
No (I used a DoW list, which is my own Ostland army kitted out differently)

It is insane how things can trn out in your favour sometimes.
It was a smallish game and because he left his handgunners and his mortars at home, I managed to march three blocks of pike right at him unmolested except for the odd cannon shot (he spent most of the other time trying to cannonsnipe my paymaster).
His knights tried to flank but got charged by my heavy cavalry and routed. The rest was very predictable as I left no gaps between my blocks to maneuvre the detachments into and the pikemen killed his spearmen.

First massacre for me.

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Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 23, 2005, 09:48:57 PM
Make sure you read back through the threads - some of the plans suggested are on the previous page.............

I think we've agreed to post some minor stuff/scores to Bechafen and Fort Grigory, and hold back some juicy scores for an assault on the Watchman on Thursday.

At the moment we do NOT want any more posts to the Watchman :!:

General H is doing the tally up, and so we will be on European time. Last time he did it about 5.30pm GMT, [6.30 British Summer Time], probably 7.30 in Holland.
However there is no guarantee he will wait until the evening?

I have been watching the posting and the other factions are holding on to stuff as well.
There has been nothing from Helblaster or Carlo Chaimo, and I think Fr1day may have another one, for Talabecland, -
and Stirland seem to be a bit low on posts so far.
This is a 5 Day round so 5 battles per person maximum.

Hopefully if we can give Stirland the impression we have given up at the Watchman, and it looks very close at Udo's, and Helblaster weighs in there for Talabecland, we may see the gap stay the same at the Watchman.

Right I know RGB has 800pts.
Elieress has another report. ?
I have a 1400,
Who else ???
 :?:  :?:

Edit:   Plus I am not going to post any more 'propaganda' at the moment in the Campaign forum - I just posted a little thread earlier to try and make the Talabecs think about Stirland's power, and to try to make them think about whether it is worth them attacking Kaltenbach.
That was the subtle message - which now seems to have been lost in the potential validity of scores and results - I do not want to go any further down this route, and I hope the rest of you will not inflame things.
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Middenland_is_Okay on August 24, 2005, 12:37:55 AM
I know for sure that Helblaster has at least 3600 points(if at Kaltenbach) from me. I wasn't trying to lose, I just got my @$$ chewed off by his cav!! And I think that Hellion has sworn never to play Helblaster again, so I suspect another two massacres.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: jmanwarhammer on August 24, 2005, 12:44:27 AM
Quote
I hope the rest of you will not inflame things.


Oops...
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: sid_vicous on August 24, 2005, 02:37:58 AM
I've got a couple of solid's with 50% modifiers if you need them.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Vann Harl on August 24, 2005, 05:45:31 AM
I'm still holding onto a massacre (vs empire) and a solid (no modifiers).
The latest I can post is 2:30 GMT on thursday
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Elieress on August 24, 2005, 06:45:14 AM
I am going to play two battles tonight... One vs. Empire and I think I can persuade my opponent to play a scenario. and one versus either Highelves or orcs.
 
I normally (without bragging too much) win around 80% of the time when I play these guys, so I hope i will have good results to post.

Lets keep the blue and white banners aloft
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 24, 2005, 07:06:47 AM
My Opponent didnt pitch up last night so I don't have a game to report yet. I should have one tommorow but thats it.

It did give me a chance to watch Vann Harl's game but that went pear shaped at the end for him and it was looking pretty darn good at the start of Turn 5.

Its the first time I've seen him not have a Seneschal in his Teutogen Guard and a failed panic test took them out of a vital section of his line, he couldnt get them back in time to help secure the bridge. (River crossing)
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 24, 2005, 09:49:24 AM
Ok - so looking at the figures - as of now, if I read Rorrak's latest figures we are down 6600 at the Watchman.

We seem to have:
RGB 800
Me 1400
Sid Vicous 2 x 900 = 1800
Van Haarl 1200 + 600

which gives us 5800 in hand - not enough at the moment.

Elieress and Rorrak have 3 battles to come.

Any more points around?

I have a little minor + a 25% which I am debating about posting now. If the enemy saw me posting at Fort Grigory or Bechafen they might read things the way we want them to. :wink:

If anyone has another 200 - 500 points result to post to the OTHER location that I do NOT post to, that would help.

The main concern I have at the moment is where, and when, Helblaster posts his results.
If he goes for Udo's then that forces Stirland to react there, and might use up any points they have in reserve for the Watchman.
If he goes for Kaltenbach, we may have to post our points there to save it.


Anyone have any thoughts on where to put the little one?
Fort Grigory might convince Stirland we are giving up on TUW,
but Bechafen might tempt both factions into believing we are starting the end-game and going for the big one.
 :?:  :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Vann Harl on August 24, 2005, 09:58:18 AM
Quote from: Rorrak

It did give me a chance to watch Vann Harl's game but that went pear shaped at the end for him and it was looking pretty darn good at the start of Turn 5. (River crossing)


not too mention we both lost skirmish games to a complete newbie! aaargh! oh the shame! :oops:  :oops:  :oops:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 24, 2005, 10:06:10 AM
1. Losing Skirmish games doesn't matter - you can still post them for points!!

2. Why did NOT having a seneschal matter for the panic test?
TTG are Ld8? or did he mean BSB?

Back to tactics.

Stirland have no reports yet from xnet445, wojammer, skeetregod and dihenydd - so they have some 'reserves'

Talabecland have nothing up from helblaster, as already said, and from joey and Carlo Chaimo.

I think I shall go for Fort Grigory - hopefully push Stirland to Udo's, and Talabecland to react..............

we'll just have to see.........
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 24, 2005, 10:28:40 AM
Senechal has "Commanding presence" making him and his unit immune to panic.

We can post those two games ? Great ! Not a huge fan of Skirmish games but they do serve to get folks familiar with the mechanics of To Hit, To Wound etc.


[edit]

Just checked and you do indeed have to win.

Quote
Note that guerilla actions fought in Bechafen will add half their score again to Bechafen's RIOT control rate! You can only report victorious battles, to prevent all kinds of silly stuff.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 24, 2005, 11:00:32 AM
:oops:  I wonder if that cost me last Sunday???

I managed to forget the Prayers went off on 3 + D3 against Biggs

and I also seemed to take loads of panic tests.........

 :oops: again - re skirmishes - hadn't read too closely.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Guvnor on August 24, 2005, 11:47:29 AM
I've got a solid against undead, can post at ~5.30 BST
Modifiers: scenario (25%)
I don't know how many that is though because a. i can't count (as my maths teacher is so fond of telling me) and b. i never caught on to the score system.
If someone could tell me how much that is then it would be great. :wink:  
Cheers
 
BTW: Midaski, I would definitely recommend you posting at Ft Grigory or Bechafen. Might I suggest a Subject of "On The Way To Bechafen, Middenland's come calling" or "Bolstering Fort grigory". Both of these sound like other people are going to be posting too so they could mislead the enemy. Also if everyone else keeps their subjects bland and confusing then it would help. eg, my subject: Battle Report for M/K
 
Just an Idea!!!  :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 24, 2005, 12:04:50 PM
Current Summary of held back points

RGB 1200
Midaski 1400
Sid Vicous 2 x 900 = 1800
Vann Harl 1200 + 600 = 1800
Guvnor 750

Total 6950 = Not really enough.

I have one game to play still.
What others ?
Title: I will make some calls
Post by: rha celt on August 24, 2005, 12:25:24 PM
I haven't got any games to report yet but I am making some calls this afternoon.  Most of the gamers I play with can only game on weekends do to family commitments during the week. What kind of figures are we hoping for. I need to know if I should be triing to set up a couple of single games or as many as I can get. My other question is I have been pulling in some favors to get some of the games that I have played for this campaign and was wondering if it would be better to wait until we get closer to the end of the campaign before calling in any other favors.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 24, 2005, 12:32:31 PM
@Rha Celt

I make us 6600 points behind Stirland while we have 6900 in hand but there is sure to be more Stirland activity.

My answer to your question will be based on the fun aspect. Do what will be most fun for both of you and then include the result / results into the campaign.

If I was to answer I would say that the time to call in favours would be later in the campaign. Normally I would do it now, but right now to keep all factions in the campaign modifiers will be used to protect those ones that do worse. I suspect support from the mods will not be there in the later stages and points will needed (and more valuable) then.

Lastly. I saw the movie Fargo and all I can say is I am so very glad I don't live where you do.
Title: Fargo is fine
Post by: rha celt on August 24, 2005, 12:43:17 PM
I will hold off a little bit on the favor  use, should we need them at the end. I still think I can get a game tonight but it may only be one. As for my home town, Fargo, the film does not accurately portray a very nice little city. About the only thing they got right is that the winters are nasty.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Vann Harl on August 24, 2005, 01:39:56 PM
I see Stirland and T-Land are neck on neck at Udos'
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 24, 2005, 02:09:15 PM
We don't know if the other factions have similar score gatherers.

They may well not have as clear a picture as we do. If they are relying on gut feel then heuristics can be used to mislead.

The human brain amplifies occurance if it happens in rapid sequence. EG. If you roll 18 dice you should on average get 3 of them comming up 6, if at the 12 dice you get 6,6,5,6 then folks will say that 6 came up more often than the other numbers. Its just the way it works.

If we deliberately space our posts a the uneasy it will look less alarming to them. However that does rely on them not having a proper gatherer.

I also agree with the bland subject names for posts except for feign posts like Fort G for the same reason. Heuristics will make the exceptional look more frequent if it stands out.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Brunger on August 24, 2005, 10:58:15 PM
I've got one Massacre against Empire using the stuck in the mud scenario, that I can put up.  I also have 3 battles to fight before the end of this round... so I guess Ill be waiting for everyone else to figure out where they want everyone's posts.

Just a question, but does your opponent have to use one of the campaign lists for you to be able to claim the "using official list" bonus?
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 25, 2005, 12:04:21 AM
No just yours has to be a campaign approved list

You know this round ends sometime tomorrow - European time. In fact anytime I would guess from about 15 - 20 hours from now - or the time of this post.
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 25, 2005, 06:44:41 AM
Well bad news is that I had to work late and thus no game report from me :(
 
We have some games held back that will get us close, if not all the way.
 
RGB 1200
Midaski 1400
Sid Vicous 2 x 900 = 1800
Vann Harl 1200 + 600 = 1800
Guvnor 750
Brunger 1200
Rha celt ?
 
Total 8150 + ?
 
I have us at 6600 behind Stirland at this point
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Elieress on August 25, 2005, 08:10:28 AM
I have a massacre versus empire with full bonuses from yesterday. (the poor bloke from this sunday wanted a rematch...) and a major victory against highelves with a bonus for armylist.

I have no idea what the scores from that are though.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 25, 2005, 08:45:43 AM
Ok here is a summary of the current state.

We don't know how long before the forum is locked. It could be anytime from now on.

wojammer is in with 4 reports and is one of stirlands big hitters, he posted at Udo's

We have enough to go into the lead by 4100 if no more stirland games are reported at TUW and if we get our reports in before lock down.

We are sitting here on a hard choice. When must we post these games ?
GH said he has the option of morning, afternoon or evening.

If we go too early we give Stirland some reaction time and they have some games in hand by my reckoning. If we wait we could miss the ability to post our games.

There you have it. Not an easy Choice.

I reckon T-Land probably have some games in hand also, quite a few in fact. A surge at Kaltenbach could see that go to contested but they have been posting at Udo's (could be a ruse)


We probably have enough to take TUW.


RGB 1200
Midaski 1400
Sid Vicous  1800
Vann Harl  1800
Guvnor 750
Brunger 1200
Rha celt ?
Elieress 2550

Total 10700
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 25, 2005, 09:17:31 AM
wojammer has put ONE at TUW - a massacre with full bonuses = 1600pts.

I think it still leaves it vulnerable though.

My feelings are we try to win the Watchman - if helblaster posts up at Kaltenbach it will go contested and we will have a chance to win it back next round.

If Talabecland decide to fight for Udo's then we may be ok.

I make it 10.15 BST = 9.15 GMT and the general is probably at around 11.15am.

We may have to guess at around another 5 hours before tally up.
If we get it wrong it's game over I think.

Oh the excitement :!:
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Vann Harl on August 25, 2005, 10:45:17 AM
I'm posting 1 now and another in an hour or 2 to TUW
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 25, 2005, 12:00:50 PM
STill no sign of Helblaster - the tension mounts.

I'm checking Maths here:

RGB 1200
Midaski 1400
Sid Vicous 1800
Vann Harl 1200 - posted the 600 a little while ago.
Guvnor 750

Brunger 1200 - 800 for massacre, 50% = +400, and he used scenario, and sounds like his was a campaign list = 1600 total.

Rha celt ?
Elieress 2550 - ? 1600 for full bonuses massacre, & 600 + 150 [25%] =2350

Total 10100 - possibly 10300?

The gap at TUW is 7000.

I'd still like to put a deterrent post at Kaltenbach.

We probably ought to use about 9000+ at TUW, and then see if we can slip a couple of smaller bits to Kaltenbach.

We need to hear from rhacelt, and anyone else with a few points.
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Elieress on August 25, 2005, 12:27:27 PM
I get the distinct feeling that people are lurking and preparing to post a lot of batreps...

There are 6 guests and 10 people logged in at the moment.. (probably more as that number is only based on people who were active within 5 minutes)

Normally at this time of the day there are less than half that...  One more hint could be the incredible inactivity there is in the posting department.. people are lurking, but not posting...

Its all rather exciting actually....

Could one of you fine gentlemen with a sense of timing please give us updates once in a while about when we should post?  something like "Post in X hours"

or perhaps "POST POST POST! WE NEED YOUR BATREPS NOW"
!!! The above is an EXAMPLE!!! not a suggestion to start posting yet !!!
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 25, 2005, 12:27:59 PM
The maths looks right, I gave an extra 200 in my head by accident. Still had the perfect score being 1800 (from the Kaltenbach modifier wich doesnt apply to TUW).

T-Land have last minute posts showing their commitment to Udo's from another of their big hitters.

Hellblaster can still blow Kaltenburg away with just 3 perfect scores and he has the ability to post 5.

We are closing in on the cut off time.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 25, 2005, 12:30:45 PM
Talabecland have just put up 4 reports with 4050 points at Udo's - I think that still leaves them about 1500 points behind, but it is quite good timing as any STirland points now may be attracted to Udo's.

As to timing our reports - tricky ??

I reckon probably somewhere in the next 2-3 hours.

I'm watching too....................
 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 25, 2005, 12:34:10 PM
Posting together Rorrak ???

Yep Helblaster looks the Key - if he is tempted to put a couple at Udo's we could blast TUW, and feel safe-ish.
I'm not good on his timezone? Is he going to be awake?


I still think TUW is more important - Stirland are still the biggest threat and if we can deny them a location - we can sit back for 2 rounds and hammer Bechafen.

 :wink:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 25, 2005, 12:41:19 PM
Read through Hellblasters posts and get the feeling he is American.

Just time of day and Baseball references, his location is hidden.
East coast by the tone in his posts. (This is highly subjective though).

Its 9:30am East Coast ? and 6:30 am West ?

This could be why he hasnt posted yet.

The General will probably feel a leeway from Rise and Shine for the American posters is in order for a fair shake. That would make the 2 hour mark probable.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 25, 2005, 12:46:30 PM
California - his brother is Daniel Hellion.

Earliest posts I can see are about 4.00pm GMT. Which would be about 6.00pm General H's timezone?

Interesting - if he has 5 big battles he could swing the whole round -

However has episteme over posted? One of the reports shown is a skirmish [250pts], but has he posted 6 battles?
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2005, 12:48:22 PM
You guys make me laugh. :lol:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 25, 2005, 12:50:55 PM
Quote from: rufus sparkfire
You guys make me laugh. :lol:


glad we could be of service. :wink:

Though maybe you're right the fervour is probably a bit over the top - so are the other factions making you laugh too, or are they less worked up.
 :?:
Title: I have two
Post by: rha celt on August 25, 2005, 12:54:48 PM
Just  checking in I have two reports, a solid against empire using the scenarios and a minor against orks also using the scenarios. I can post in the next half hour or wait  4 hours. Your call let me know.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Elieress on August 25, 2005, 12:55:39 PM
I think we should get bonus points for this... Or at least a bit of it in the fluff..  :-D

I can just imagine 8 generals with their respective armies standing poised to overrun the small valley that hides their objective... One big push with everybody working together. 8)
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 25, 2005, 12:58:42 PM
rha - if you cannot do it inside 4 hours that may be too long - I would post them now to the Watchman.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 25, 2005, 01:12:05 PM
Post NOW ! The General has said locked in 15 minutes. GO GO.
Title: I'm in
Post by: rha celt on August 25, 2005, 01:14:10 PM
I got my two in go fast guys!!!!!!!!
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Elieress on August 25, 2005, 01:21:47 PM
Get em in there!  if we get just a few more, we have taken the field
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Vann Harl on August 25, 2005, 01:26:31 PM
By the skin of your teeth Elieress!!
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Elieress on August 25, 2005, 01:26:37 PM
And BANG!  the roll of thunder was heard ... The clouds darken and foul weather close in over the field...

The fighting soon got even dirtier and gritty, but then generals knew that they would get no further this day... Better to recall what was left of the troops before too many casualties occured attempting to simply stand up on the myddy field...

Batrep forum is closed.. I guess we waited just a smidgeon too long.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Vann Harl on August 25, 2005, 01:26:49 PM
By the skin of your teeth Elieress & Rha celt!!
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Elieress on August 25, 2005, 01:36:58 PM
nah... several seconds to spare...

And that marks my most active round so far....

I somehow feel that i didn't make a difference anyway...

I just hope i get to fight nearly as much in the comming days... only problem is that I am trying to train a friend of mine for a turney (i didnt sign up my self in time)

And he is tired of getting beaten up by my Empire troops... he wants to try his luck against other armies, so I have to play a few games as skaven against him in the comming days... so I might have trouble fitting in battles with good bonuses...
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Rorrak on August 25, 2005, 01:40:04 PM
I believe holding back the posts means we didnt get them all posted.

It does mean we could have more for next round but it also means we didnt get TUW.

Ahh well thats how the cookie crumbles. I really expected two games myself this week and neither game off.
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Midaski on August 25, 2005, 02:32:09 PM
Typical - I nip out for an hour to the Dentist, log off and then the round ends.

So now we are all back where we started from with 3 locations each - far be it for me to suggest conspiracy theories - but you wonder how convenient? :wink:

Maybe we should suggest the Tally Man doesn't snoop in the faction forums for the rounds tactics. :wink:

I think I've almost had enough of this. I think from now on I'll just throw everything at Bechafen........

actually if everyone did that what would happen.............
 :?:
Title: Round 5 Tactics.
Post by: Middenland_is_Okay on August 25, 2005, 03:45:33 PM
HAHAHA!!! My evil plan worked!!! I got Helblaster to let me spend the night, and he forgot to post!!!!! And no, Hellion is not Helblaster's brother.
Title: Bechafen
Post by: rha celt on August 25, 2005, 06:04:59 PM
I say we put all of the current unused battles into Bechafen now.  That should draw of the unused battles others have. We then build up a sizable amount of extra battles posting enough at the watchman to get the others interested and the first thing tuesday morning we hit Bechafen with every massacre and solid win we can muster. If nothing else it will bring the campaign to its rightful high point the fight for Bechafen.