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Crimsonsphinx · « **Reply #2200 on:** October 06, 2011, 09:24:05 AM »

I guess I assumed it only applied to speeding skimmers and other fast vehicles Aldaris, rather than walkers which have their own specific rule. I use eldar, so anything to make Hawks better I am hardly going to disagree with.

Aldaris · « **Reply #2201 on:** October 06, 2011, 09:33:59 AM »

Quote from: Crimsonsphinx on October 06, 2011, 09:24:05 AM

I guess I assumed it only applied to speeding skimmers and other fast vehicles Aldaris, rather than walkers which have their own specific rule.

Both are vehicles, both have specific rules in the rulebook regarding cth in close combat. Swooping Hawks negate those by giving them a cap of 4+ on their to hit roll. I really don't see the controversy.

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #2202 on:** October 06, 2011, 09:34:53 AM »

Eldar FAQ on the GW site:

Quote

Page 35 – Intercept.
The last sentence should be changed to:
In assaults, they never require worse than 4+ to hit
vehicles that do not have a WS.

I don't know if that refers to swooping hawks, since I don't have the book, but it looks relevant!

Crimsonsphinx · « **Reply #2203 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:02:16 AM »

Quote from: rufus sparkfire on October 06, 2011, 09:34:53 AM

Eldar FAQ on the GW site:

Quote
Page 35 – Intercept.
The last sentence should be changed to:
In assaults, they never require worse than 4+ to hit
vehicles that do not have a WS.

I don't know if that refers to swooping hawks, since I don't have the book, but it looks relevant!

Intercept is the swooping hawks ability. So I guess it is relevant. Thought it might be too good to be true, actually having a use for them!

Aldaris · « **Reply #2204 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:03:49 AM »

Yeah well, THAT settles it then.

Crimsonsphinx · « **Reply #2205 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:08:53 AM »

GW probably thought they were too overpowered with that ability.

Eldar have long suffered from the nerf bat and unless either Matt Ward or Phil Kelly writes the new book, it will probably continue.

Aldaris · « **Reply #2206 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:24:33 AM »

Quote from: Crimsonsphinx on October 06, 2011, 10:08:53 AM

GW probably thought they were too overpowered with that ability.

Quote from: Crimsonsphinx on October 06, 2011, 10:08:53 AM

Eldar have long suffered from the nerf bat and unless either Matt Ward or Phil Kelly writes the new book, it will probably continue.

Ah, come on. Eldar are still good these days, definitely in the upper half of armies regarding power. If they'd get an update that's one bandwagon I'd jump in a heartbeat though.

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #2207 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:26:03 AM »

They deserve it for being space elves!

Crimsonsphinx · « **Reply #2208 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:36:52 AM »

Quote from: Aldaris on October 06, 2011, 10:24:33 AM

Quote from: Crimsonsphinx on October 06, 2011, 10:08:53 AM
GW probably thought they were too overpowered with that ability.

Quote from: Crimsonsphinx on October 06, 2011, 10:08:53 AM
Eldar have long suffered from the nerf bat and unless either Matt Ward or Phil Kelly writes the new book, it will probably continue.

Ah, come on. Eldar are still good these days, definitely in the upper half of armies regarding power. If they'd get an update that's one bandwagon I'd jump in a heartbeat though.

Its all gone downhill from 2nd edition though. I have all the army books from then back to now, and I can honestly say it used to be a lot better. I would far rather use the 3rd ed book than the 4th too!

What eldar need is aspect warriors that are actually better than bog standard marines. WS/BS5 and initaitve 5/6 would do for a start, even if it means boosting their points. Also, no excuse for bs3 on guardians, none! Space elves should have bs4!

Cannonofdoom · « **Reply #2209 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:41:45 AM »

Quote from: Crimsonsphinx on October 06, 2011, 10:36:52 AM

Its all gone downhill from 2nd edition though. I have all the army books from then back to now, and I can honestly say it used to be a lot better. I would far rather use the 3rd ed book than the 4th too!

What eldar need is aspect warriors that are actually better than bog standard marines. WS/BS5 and initaitve 5/6 would do for a start, even if it means boosting their points. Also, no excuse for bs3 on guardians, none! Space elves should have bs4!

Don't they all have space cancer? Isn't that what makes them a dying race? Or Space AIDS?

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #2210 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:44:26 AM »

No they have that disease where you die of wearing funny helmets.

Just give them ASF and they are fixed.

(I can remember the time when everyone feared the Eldar because they were so overpowered.....then....there came the Space Wolves).

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #2211 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:46:21 AM »

Quote from: Fandir Nightshade on October 06, 2011, 10:44:26 AM

Just give them ASF and they are fixed.

Is there no end to your villainy?

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #2212 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:48:28 AM »

You can get me drunk with Leffe...I am pretty calm after that one.

Cannonofdoom · « **Reply #2213 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:49:05 AM »

Did the Eldar get Space AIDS from the Squats?

Aldaris · « **Reply #2214 on:** October 06, 2011, 11:14:26 AM »

The squats were eaten by the Tyranids. Really.

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #2215 on:** October 06, 2011, 11:19:59 AM »

They should have just changed the name.

Maybe they could return as yet another type of space marine! It turns out one of the primarchs was really short...

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #2216 on:** October 06, 2011, 11:20:22 AM »

So the tyranids have space aids?

Crimsonsphinx · « **Reply #2217 on:** October 06, 2011, 11:36:46 AM »

Quote from: rufus sparkfire on October 06, 2011, 11:19:59 AM

They should have just changed the name.

Maybe they could return as yet another type of space marine! It turns out one of the primarchs was really short...

Demiurg are space dwarfs, they appear in BFG as tau allies, and are supposedly going to be in the new tau dex!

Cannonofdoom · « **Reply #2218 on:** October 06, 2011, 11:58:51 AM »

Quote from: Fandir Nightshade on October 06, 2011, 11:20:22 AM

So the tyranids have space aids?

Tyranids ARE space aids.

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #2219 on:** October 06, 2011, 12:16:25 PM »

Quote from: Crimsonsphinx on October 06, 2011, 11:36:46 AM

Demiurg are space dwarfs, they appear in BFG as tau allies, and are supposedly going to be in the new tau dex!

Excellent!

Crimsonsphinx · « **Reply #2220 on:** October 06, 2011, 12:48:07 PM »

I am guessing they will be emphasising the dwarfyness of the units too.

I have read that they will get the following: axes [power and normal], heavy armour, relentless and them to actually be good in combat, unlike other tau units

Finlay · « **Reply #2221 on:** October 06, 2011, 12:50:34 PM »

bs5 would be a bit broken in 40k, given no to hit modifiers.

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #2222 on:** October 06, 2011, 12:53:17 PM »

Assassins are BS8! They almost can't miss.

I definitely want space dwarfs. With conversion beamers and mole mortars!

Crimsonsphinx · « **Reply #2223 on:** October 06, 2011, 01:16:11 PM »

Quote from: Finlay on October 06, 2011, 12:50:34 PM

bs5 would be a bit broken in 40k, given no to hit modifiers.

On hugely expensive dark reapers, bs5 would be fine. Especially given space marines can already get bs5 on one devastator, and marines are more armoured, more flexibly armed and have better statistics in general.

Aspect warriors SHOULD be top tier units if they matched their fluff. Small numbers of elite troops.

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #2224 on:** October 06, 2011, 01:18:30 PM »

They are elite....compare them to the battle hardened super soldiers of the Imperial Guard who do nothing but figthing all day...and night...and during lunch break.

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