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Title: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 11, 2008, 06:42:37 PM
Welcome to Death Castle. Death castle is 20 years old this year and to celebrate that birthday Iíve decided to restore it. It was created by my best friend of 20yrs Trevor, while we were both High School students at Woodbridge England. He made this castle before he met me when he and his friends discovered Warhammer 40,000.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM00526.jpg)

Itís construction was simple yet an ingenious use of the materials available.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0528.jpg)

The basic design is a series of shortened toilet paper tubes over-layed with strips of Styrofoam with the front veneer using stone patterned sheets of Styrofoam that his Dad found at a D.I.Y shop somewhere locally (Ipswich?). Soon after some application of carpenters glue, the project was finished and we had a basic, yet very cool, castle to play with!

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0527.jpg)

My very first table-top battle was fought using this castle so the nostalgia I have for this piece is intense. Intense because I soon learned to hate it! The crenellation less walls were too high, so in order to fire from it, or achieve LOS, you had to position your models at one of two preciously small openings or set your models on top of the wall. Both of those options removed the cover the wall provided thus making your defense redundant. Many units of marines were blown off the walls of this castle. Back in the Rogue Trader days, the weapon ranges were extreme and a target standing on the highest point on the table with no cover was sure to die. Yet we kept playing with this castle! Over the course of many games if became clear that the only way the defending force could win with this castle was to abandon it. In one game a force of eldar abandoned the castle just at the marines stormed it and the marines took the castle only to be slaughtered by the eldar from out side. It was clearly a death trap, and thus we named it Death Castle.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0525-1.jpg)

Death Castle has seen some abuse over the last 15 years. Trevorís early attempts to paint the castle were quite devastating to it. We didnít know the horrible reaction that black spray paint would have with Styrofoam. The castle became his test bed for other painting experiments as ultimately he was unsatisfied with it and when Trevor left England, he gave it to me. When I left England it was used as packing materials! During that point it was cut in half. We still used the castle though, but usually as wall pieces for Mordheim or as a ruin. Much damage has occurred, and you can see from the pictures that some ad-hoc repairs have been attempted. Iíve replaced some of the holes that have been punched into it over the years.

Recently, I rediscovered it, and was inspired to restore this castle to the greatness it has always been denied and finish it!

This is my restoration blog, and over the course of time I shall update it with my repairs and improvements. I intend to make it a full warhammer piece. I imagine that this castle is a small boarder fort that has seen quite a bit of action, so Iím going to attempt to maintain a weathered and wearied look about it while embellishing it with marking of the Empire. Listed below are the steps I need to take:
∑   Add a base. A lot of the damage the castle endured was a result of a lack of a stable base.
∑   Crenulations. The castle needs this to be usable as a defendable position. Also enlarge the opening above the gate to be able to support artillery and/or siege defenses.
∑   Make a real gate. The castle never had a proper one thus making the opening, which was big enough to let a Rhino pass through it, far too inviting to attackers.
∑   Repair wall sections. I have enough left over foam pieces to be able to fully restore it.
∑   Enlarge the upper deck. Reviewing the siege rules that have came out over the years, it seems that the upper walls are too narrow and although they easily support one model are just too small to support two. Iíll need to enlarge this to accommodate combat on it without risk to our models.
∑   Add an internal building of some kind probably a tower.
∑   Add stairs. However I may skip this if I go with a tower that abuts the wall.
∑   Level the top of the wall. The melting caused by spray paint has caused stability issues that can result in some models easily falling off the walls. Iím considering making the top magnet friendly.
∑   Finish this by December. Iím not exactly sure which month the castle was built, but my first game using it was in December of 1988.

-Joel


Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on May 11, 2008, 08:12:52 PM
Great idea and a good hommage! I hope it'll work!
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 11, 2008, 08:58:19 PM
PART 2

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0531.jpg)

I can now cross one item off of my list: The crenulations are done. They are not the smoothest cuts, and this is intentional.  A quick subtle blast of spray paint on these new openings will help maintain the weathered look of the rest of the castle. I have also made the opening above the door larger. Iím still working out whether to do this to the opening at the back of the building also.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0532.jpg)

 I have decided that that corner will be where the building will go and I have decided that the building will be a tower. The tower will be tall, acting as a stairwell, and keep. Attempting to model stone steps for Warhammer has always bothered me; Castle steps tend not to be very wide, and if you ever toured an ancient castle youíll know what I mean. But in order to make them functional for this game they need to be big enough to support the required base sizes. The tower will prevent the need to model it. Also my inner wall expansion will drastically reduce the space inside the courtyard making steps even less practical. The tower Iím going to make large enough to hold a basic 20 man unit on top of it. Iím also thinking I should have enough room to place a balcony of some kind on it, perhaps as a battle platform for a long range wizard or a sharpshooter. Iíve spent some time creating a skeleton for the tower and what Iíll do is layer on pieces of the Styrofoam sheet and add doors, arrow slits, etc.

(Thanks Obi!)

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: GRIMMJV on May 12, 2008, 03:41:09 AM
Wow, I remember that castle.  Trevor had a playing field almost 8 feet long, and he used to get big chunks of wood and moss to use for foliage.  It actually came out pretty cool.  Have fun restoring it!
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: GamesPoet on May 12, 2008, 04:03:21 AM
Welcome to Death Castle. Death castle is 20 years old this year and to celebrate that birthday Iíve decided to restore it. It was created by my best friend of 20yrs Trevor, while we were both High School students at Woodbridge England. He made this castle before he met me when he and his friends discovered Warhammer 40,000.
 ...
So you actually used this for Warhammer 40k :icon_question:

Quote
Itís construction was simple yet an ingenious use of the materials available.
 ...

The basic design is a series of shortened toilet paper tubes over-layed with strips of Styrofoam with the front veneer using stone patterned sheets of Styrofoam that his Dad found at a D.I.Y shop somewhere locally (Ipswich?). Soon after some application of carpenters glue, the project was finished and we had a basic, yet very cool, castle to play with!
...

My very first table-top battle was fought using this castle so the nostalgia I have for this piece is intense. Intense because I soon learned to hate it! The crenellation less walls were too high, so in order to fire from it, or achieve LOS, you had to position your models at one of two preciously small openings or set your models on top of the wall. Both of those options removed the cover the wall provided thus making your defense redundant. Many units of marines were blown off the walls of this castle. Back in the Rogue Trader days, the weapon ranges were extreme and a target standing on the highest point on the table with no cover was sure to die. Yet we kept playing with this castle! Over the course of many games if became clear that the only way the defending force could win with this castle was to abandon it. In one game a force of eldar abandoned the castle just at the marines stormed it and the marines took the castle only to be slaughtered by the eldar from out side. It was clearly a death trap, and thus we named it Death Castle.
 ...

Death Castle has seen some abuse over the last 15 years. Trevorís early attempts to paint the castle were quite devastating to it. We didnít know the horrible reaction that black spray paint would have with Styrofoam. The castle became his test bed for other painting experiments as ultimately he was unsatisfied with it and when Trevor left England, he gave it to me. When I left England it was used as packing materials! During that point it was cut in half. We still used the castle though, but usually as wall pieces for Mordheim or as a ruin. Much damage has occurred, and you can see from the pictures that some ad-hoc repairs have been attempted. Iíve replaced some of the holes that have been punched into it over the years.

Ah! The memories of childhood. :icon_biggrin:  Reminds me of the pre-made plastic mat we used for WWII soldiering, and I wonder if it is still hanging around at my parent's place.

Quote
Recently, I rediscovered it, and was inspired to restore this castle to the greatness it has always been denied and finish it!

This is my restoration blog, and over the course of time I shall update it with my repairs and improvements. I intend to make it a full warhammer piece. I imagine that this castle is a small boarder fort that has seen quite a bit of action, so Iím going to attempt to maintain a weathered and wearied look about it while embellishing it with marking of the Empire. Listed below are the steps I need to take:
∑   Add a base. A lot of the damage the castle endured was a result of a lack of a stable base.
∑   Crenulations. The castle needs this to be usable as a defendable position. Also enlarge the opening above the gate to be able to support artillery and/or siege defenses.
∑   Make a real gate. The castle never had a proper one thus making the opening, which was big enough to let a Rhino pass through it, far too inviting to attackers.
∑   Repair wall sections. I have enough left over foam pieces to be able to fully restore it.
∑   Enlarge the upper deck. Reviewing the siege rules that have came out over the years, it seems that the upper walls are too narrow and although they easily support one model are just too small to support two. Iíll need to enlarge this to accommodate combat on it without risk to our models.
∑   Add an internal building of some kind probably a tower.
∑   Add stairs. However I may skip this if I go with a tower that abuts the wall.
∑   Level the top of the wall. The melting caused by spray paint has caused stability issues that can result in some models easily falling off the walls. Iím considering making the top magnet friendly.
∑   Finish this by December. Iím not exactly sure which month the castle was built, but my first game using it was in December of 1988.
Seems like a super project, restore the best of the old and add some new things for an improved flavor.  The base could be very wise, with crenulations, a real gate, and enlarged upper deck with location for artillery makes sense.  A tower could be an excellent addition, and this could hide the stair case to avoid the difficulties of creating a useable stair case near the wall. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 13, 2008, 12:51:53 PM
Quote
So you actually used this for Warhammer 40k :icon_question:

Yeah, although it doesn't look like it at all. Perhaps the inspiration behind it was the double-page spread in the 40k Rogue trader book showing the Space Wolf fortress on the planet Lupus? It looked like the Magic Kingdom set up for war. It set the precedent that static fortresses like this exist in the 41st millennium.

I sent the link to this blog to some old friends from back then that got to play with this terrain piece and here's what one of them replied back with:

Quote
(Scott)Ah, yes.   Castille de Muerte.  AKA the Castle of Doom.  Anybody unlucky enough to start the game defending it, or foolish enough to move units in there during the course of play, would quickly affirm the aptness of the moniker.  Whole units of Eldar, mobs of Orks (including, naturally, Warboss retinues), squads of Space Marines and platoons of Imperial Guard are all laid to rest within its confines...an enduring testament to the fact that static defenses have no place in 41st century warfare.  Especially when Vortex grenades and D-Cannons abound!

Now that we're moving this over wholly to WHFB, perhaps the spirits of the many dead defenders can finally rest?  :-D

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on May 13, 2008, 03:48:16 PM
no. They need to burn in hell.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 13, 2008, 11:30:28 PM
PART 3.0

I have begun work on the base. No pictures of the base at this stage as itís currently too dull to showcase. However I thought an idea of the width and height of the tower might be interesting.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0534.jpg)

As you can see it will be wide enough to fit most units (US20 empire/US16 Orcs etc.) although ideally Iíd think most players would stick an artillery piece on this and I tend to base my artillery on this size movement tray anyway. And itís going to be fairly tall and should give a commanding impression when done.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0533.jpg)

I thinking I will sort of ďjigsawĒ the Styrofoam with a foam cutter to avoid strange seam lines and awkward joins.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0535.jpg)

Question: does anyone have opinions on color? I always assumed this would look like a granite stone construction but Iíve seen enough real life examples of limestone and flintstone castles to make a stab at that.


Here's a quote from Trevor the creator of Death Castle:
"Death Castle was a place of massive death, whereby I slaughtered many opponents over the years. I think the castle should sit on a small bailey--it is only befitting Death Castle! We could even build a full motte & bailey system for the little castle!"



Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: King on May 14, 2008, 09:03:30 AM
Nice article  :eusa_clap: Where did you get those 'cobble stone' textured sheets and do cylindrical ones exist too?  Any links for an online shop perhaps? Those are really cool  :::cheers:::. Thanks in advance  :smile2:
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 14, 2008, 02:19:13 PM
Nice article :eusa_clap: Where did you get those 'cobble stone' textured sheets and do cylindrical ones exist too?  Any links for an online shop perhaps? Those are really cool  :::cheers:::. Thanks in advance  :smile2:

Thank you.

As for your question, I'm not really sure actually. They found these Styrofoam sheets in England at a D.I.Y. shop (an American equivalent to a Lowes or Ace Hardware) 20 years ago! The sheets where uses to insulate an entire hallway and individually must've stood approximately 8'X4'.  I highly doubt this product would be sold for this purpose in the U.S. due to the difficulty in finding paint that won't melt it and the general flammability of it. I've never seen anything like it since. The pieces we used to build this castle and other buildings were scraps left over after they used this stuff to wallpaper a bathroom.

I hope someone can find it, I would like to have some more!
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 15, 2008, 12:22:01 AM
PART 3.1
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0543.jpg)

I have finished the basic construction of the base. After some serious contemplation I settled on making the entry way to the castle a steep ramp to give the defenders the advantage of height (imagine the difficulty in trying to push a battle ram up that and doing it with enough force to pierce the gate!) I may level out the field a bit more and add more rocks at the base of the foundation and alongside the ramp.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0544.jpg)

The backside I made almost shear. I will add to the small ledges either rocks, clumps of grass or brush or just remove them altogether. My next step is to apply lots of sand to the base and add the first base coat. Iíll then leave the base aside until Iím ready to attach the castle permanently to it.  Then Iíll proceed to the actual repair work on the castle and as you can see Iíve got A LOT of work to do there. What the previous pics failed to show were all the smaller holes and cracks which the sunlight unforgivably reveals. That could take some time to deal withÖ
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: GamesPoet on May 15, 2008, 01:30:31 AM
Yeah, although it doesn't look like it at all. Perhaps the inspiration behind it was the double-page spread in the 40k Rogue trader book showing the Space Wolf fortress on the planet Lupus? It looked like the Magic Kingdom set up for war. It set the precedent that static fortresses like this exist in the 41st millennium.

I sent the link to this blog to some old friends from back then that got to play with this terrain piece and here's what one of them replied back with:

Quote
(Scott)Ah, yes.   Castille de Muerte.  AKA the Castle of Doom.  Anybody unlucky enough to start the game defending it, or foolish enough to move units in there during the course of play, would quickly affirm the aptness of the moniker.  Whole units of Eldar, mobs of Orks (including, naturally, Warboss retinues), squads of Space Marines and platoons of Imperial Guard are all laid to rest within its confines...an enduring testament to the fact that static defenses have no place in 41st century warfare.  Especially when Vortex grenades and D-Cannons abound!

Now that we're moving this over wholly to WHFB, perhaps the spirits of the many dead defenders can finally rest?  :-D
Ah ... back to the past ... better place for ancient keeps ... :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on May 15, 2008, 02:27:03 PM
You know that to make the stuff harder etc. you need to go over it with white glue thinned down and mixed with a little black paint. That way you can see what you have covered already. Do the second layer in a different colour, and the third in another one. That's stolen from steveb, not my own idea, though.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 15, 2008, 11:17:20 PM
You know that to make the stuff harder etc. you need to go over it with white glue thinned down and mixed with a little black paint. That way you can see what you have covered already. Do the second layer in a different colour, and the third in another one. That's stolen from steveb, not my own idea, though.


Tried and true advice.
I'm about to put A LOT of sand on that base. I've never attempted Spray Adhesive on Styrofoam before, so this is about to get interesting...  :evil:

if that fails, I'll be slowly slapping it on with PVA glue for about a week.  :cry:
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 22, 2008, 02:05:16 AM
A quick update:

Spray Adhesive and styrofoam don't play well together. It has the same melting effect as standard spray paint does. So, I've spent what little free time I've had this week, when daylight was available, gluing sand to the base. I went and got a broad paint brush, an old baby food jar, water, Elmers glue and sand from a near by site where an above ground pool once was, and went to town on it. This evening I just used Design Masters floral spray paint on it and gave the thing a base coat of brown and now the it's sitting in my utility shed drying and venting. I'll decide tomorrow if I need more sand on it or not and go from there. I'd like to have the base mostly finished by the weekend so hopefully I can start truly renovating this castle.

Design Masters is the best spray paint to use with styrofoam as it does not melt it! But the fumes are just as intense. I will give you guys a proper visual demo soon.

Meanwhile, I went looking for inspiration and found these Related threads (for those who arenít archive divers):

I like the way this turned out:
http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=12705.0

This is a great thread showing pre-made castles. Some really cool stuff here
http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=12866.0
Imperial Forge finished his and started a new thread for it. Check out the windows!
http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=12969.0

An impressive fort with a base similar to mine:
 http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=17330.0
 Also note the other cool pics in this thread, especially the ship.

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 26, 2008, 05:58:36 PM
PART 4

The base is mostly complete.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0614.jpg)

I have reached a point in the painting where Iím satisfied that I can move on to attaching the castle to it. The base is not totally done; thatíll be the last step of the whole project when I apply the grass.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0615.jpg)

Iíve also begun work on the tower.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0592.jpg)

Iíve started by evening out the frame and then applying the stone strips that I have left to it. This is proving to be time consuming for a number of factors, mostly being the slow drying time of the glue. Trevor built this castle originally using Elmerís Wood glue (or Carpenterís Glue), which I thought was over kill compared to the regular Elmerís glue. However when it comes to rejoining the two wall sections, attaching it to the base, expanding the ramparts and attaching the tower, I will most likely use that wood glue. I considered using a hot glue gun, but the super quick drying time unfortunately doesnít allow for mistakes or alternations. If Trevor had not used the Wood glue originally, this castle might not exist anymore at all! So as I piece the tower together, Iím reaching into the inside and putting strips of tape on backside of the cracks. I have some modeling paste stuff that Iíll use to fill in the gaps. The way that I have to join these pieces to the tower frame will help give the illusion that this was always apart of the castle. Since the amount of stone work embossed pieces that I have is preciously limited, I had to take into consideration the extension of the ramparts during this step of construction. I did this by measuring sections of the parts that will be hidden and marking them with a sharpie.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0585.jpg)

 Iím also looking at the years of battle damage this castle has suffered and trying to determine how much Styrofoam stone stripping Iíll have left over to be able to repair the walls. As I look at the front of the castle and itís becoming clear that I may have to replace 80% of it. The section nearest the gate received the worst of the original dose of spray paint in í89 and the result is that a lot the cobble stone detail is just gone (blame it on the lascannons). The entry way is very badly damaged and Iíd like to hide the toilet tissue tube, ur, I mean support column, a lot better.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: skinkslayer on May 27, 2008, 07:49:53 AM
That  looks very cool.
Bravo for restorign a crumblin' old building.....
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Duce on May 27, 2008, 08:24:28 AM
Liking the tower, looks pretty, and your base looks awesome. How's the ramp work though, is it as steep as the pictures show or is it misleading?

And yeah sprays and polystyrene don't get along  :icon_cry: found that out a few times in the past too
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 28, 2008, 12:43:19 AM
Thanks!

The ramp is definitely steep!

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0629.jpg)

However there is enough grit on it to hold most models just fine although some of the larger more top heavy ones could have problems with it. 

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM00628.jpg)

Loaded movement trays tend to slid off of it as they are usually quite smooth on the bottom. That's a shame because I made the ramp wide enough for a standard 5X4 mansized unit.

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 28, 2008, 12:58:58 AM
PART 5
Progress is slowly being made. The towerís wall sections are mostly in place and the renovation work has truly begun.
I spent some time working the old front wall section off, which proved to be tougher than I thought it would be.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0622.jpg)

I was trying to preserve as much of it as I could but it was so brittle and the glue was so tough that it broke up as I removed it. Laying side by side you can really see just how harsh the spray paint was to the original wall.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0621.jpg)

I used a hot glue gun to fix the new wall in place.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0625.jpg)

I then built from a Mordheim building sprue what is going to be the front entranceís doorframe. Getting the doorframe mounted to the wall will probably be a challenge but once done should make the front of the castle look less shabby..

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0630.jpg)

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Duce on May 28, 2008, 08:16:19 AM
Ouch, thats allot of the original castle lost from the look of the pic  :icon_sad:

I suppose you could put felt under the movement trays to help grip.

Are you going to attempt openable doors for your castle also? I'm still working on trying it figure out how to do it and make it sturdy enough not to break.

For the walls you could coat them in pva glue to add strength, seems to have worked on mine and then paint away freely on the hardened surface.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on May 28, 2008, 04:28:17 PM
Hey! About the movement trays:
Make magnetised trays, check this (http://www.warhammer-empire.com/workshop/basing_magnetic.php) article in the Workshop. (http://www.warhammer-empire.com/workshop/)
Stick a few magnets into the ramp.
Done!

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on May 29, 2008, 12:15:26 AM
Duce: Actually most of the original castle is still there. The most taken off is that front wall. i don't know if you could make it out too well, but that front was very heavily damaged from the attempt to spray paint it back in the late '80s. It just had to go. Also, the castle is still in 2 parts. I haven't rejoined it yet. As far as spray paint goes I'll be using the same stuff I used on the base; Design Masters. There will still be a lot of the original veneer that bare the scars of battles past...

For the door. I'm thinking about faking it. I'm thinking about making a solid piece that looks good with the model and can simply be removed when not needed. I think this will be more practical during play and will reduce the amount of model displacement during combat. Besides, if the door is opened during a siege, it's most likely due to it being smashed in any way. I know how I think this could work, I just haven't figured out exactly how to build it yet.

Obi: I thought about embedding some magnets into it, but opted against it in the long run. I guess my lazy enemies are just gonna have to do it the old way for the few rounds they hang out on the ramp!  :evil:
Of course, I might be cursing myself if I have to attack the bloody thing myself...

I am strongly considering putting magnet strips on the ramparts though. That is probably the area with the highest risk of falling models.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on July 04, 2008, 02:09:18 PM
PART 6
I canít believe itís been over a month since I did an update! Itís been a busy month for me with work, assisting my girlfriend with her gardening, and preparing (and taking) a short vacation this past weekend.

But Death Castle has slowly progressed.

The part that took me the longest was mounting the plastic Mordheim frame into the main entry way and filling in the resulting gaps.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0680.jpg)

For some reason I convinced myself that Woodglue would make a great filler (and it does the trick rather well on small gaps) but the slow drying time proved to be a challenge.  I still need to tidy up some areas on the frame.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0681.jpg)
I have this great latex modeling filler but I seemed to have misplaced it and Iíve not had the spare time to go seek out more at the local stores.

Next came the most important step so far, the joining of the two halves! Death Castle is now whole again!

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0679.jpg)

(I'm holding it out above my head in this pic.)

I then proceeded to take old TP tubes and cut out patterns similar to the ďrockyĒ surface of the Styrofoam walls and glued them onto the columns. This should create a more unified look once painted.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0683.jpg)

Next step. Finish filling in all the gaps, and then prime the whole thing with Design Masters flat black before adding on the rampart extensions and finishing the tower.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on July 04, 2008, 02:25:55 PM
Wow. It's looking awesome man!
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on July 04, 2008, 02:51:43 PM
Wow. It's looking awesome man!

Thanks! I wasn't sure if the latest pics would do it justice.

Looking at the columns, I'm wondering if I should add that stone patterning to the interior walls...? It took a good amount of free time to do the columns but the walls could take a very long time to do, but the end result might be worth it. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on July 07, 2008, 09:09:28 AM
I think the end result will be worth it, although it will take some time. Can't you use that plate with the pattern, or is there something with that?
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on July 08, 2008, 03:18:32 AM
Well I'm about out of Styrofoam parts. I definitely don't have enough to do the interior walls with it. What I have left will mostly likely be used on the tower. So If I do the interior walls it will be with card strips like the columns.
It'll probably be worth it, i agree.
So I'll do it.
My free time has become strained recently, so here's hoping I can still make my December deadline!

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on July 08, 2008, 08:40:07 AM
If you keep going like this there won't be a problem. What do you still have to do? Only the interior walls and the tower right? Affter that you can go and paint it.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Duce on July 08, 2008, 10:58:54 AM
Castles coming along nicely. Are you going to add some wood looking supports on the inner walls or similar?
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on July 10, 2008, 12:29:05 AM
I'm hoping to work on it this evening. As far as wood supports, no I wasn't It'll make more sense as you start to see some of the additions I'm going to add to it. I'm going to be fighting a space race with the inner courtyard and I'm trying to keep it as open as possible for accessability reasons. I'm going to be using wood on the tower though. I have a balcony in mind and the doors.

I have a few more holes to plug and gapes to fill, then I will prime the castle black. and begin the base coat. The tower is causing a bit of problem at the moment so I've been holding off while I figure out how to extend the top and add crenelations to it. The reason is because, I got looking at some old family pictures from my time in the UK, and you just can't find ancient towers without a walled roof or not designed for defense. The tower so far, is basically an open roof with no cover (i.e. shoot me!). I'm bothered by this and so I'm working on some solutions. One idea is take the pieces cut out the wall to make the current crenelations and apply them to the tower. I like the continuity in that idea so I'm going to experiment with that.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0632-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Duce on July 10, 2008, 08:57:32 AM
Hey,

this link might work

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabo_Tower

Its local tower to me with a top you might like.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on July 12, 2008, 12:35:39 AM
That IS cool! That might deserve it's own model though (hint, hint SteveB) It would make a great wizard's tower.

The Death Castle tower is going to be used as a fighting platform. If you look at the Pic in my previous post. imagine a mortor or Hellfire on the top of it instead of the one guy...
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on July 26, 2008, 01:40:01 AM
PART 7

Death Castle is slowly starting to come along. I've spent a few evenings filling holes, plugging gapes, filling in cracks and smoothing over seams. Not all of them though, I am wanting the final product to maintain a 'rough' look.

Here's my assistant checking on the quality of my work:

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0688.jpg)

Once that was done, I went ahead and finally spray painted the main body of the castle black. Finally, after 20 years, this Castle has been successfully painted black!

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0697.jpg)


I'm sure I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but the paint I used was a floral designers spray paint called Design Masters. You can find it in the U.S. at most Arts & Craft stores or any where that sells fake decorative flowers. Here's what the can looks like, next to a piece of Styrofoam that had been sprayed with it. This is a Flat Black (gloss will not be good for the additional paint I will be applying).

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0584.jpg)

This other pic shows what a blast of normal black spray paint does to Styrofoam (in case the earlier pics of Death Castle didn't reveal enough already). The spray paint used in this example was Krylon. It causes a chemical reaction that burns and bubbles away at the foam leaving very little color and obvious damage. It can be used intentionally however to create battle damage, and looks really good on some of my 40k scenery.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0581.jpg)

Coming up next, I need to tackle the tower. My goal is to have it done by the end of August. I thought my goal of December was overreaching but at this pace, and with my current work load it might be right on!

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Zandur of Bronte on July 28, 2008, 04:46:59 AM
Very nice work; I do love such restoration projects :-D
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on August 20, 2008, 02:57:02 PM
PART 8

Progress is slowly being made. My attempt to find the fortress door sprues ended in futility so Iíve taken the Mordheim doorframes and glued slats of balsa wood to the backside to create a door effect. Iíve not figured out how to make door handles yet but I have some ideas I want to try out. There will be three of these for the tower. One at the base, one for the wall level, and one for the balcony.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0713.jpg)

The balcony itself was fairly easy to construct. Iím currently working out how to mount it into the wall but Iím pretty sure my idea will work. The hand rail for it will take some time  to build but it should look nice in the end.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0712.jpg)

Iíve caped the tower roof with a sheet of molded plastic card with rock embossing. I cut out a square in the center that will represent the hatch opening. This is done although not shown in the picture. Again, I need to work out the handle. Currently Iím at the point where I will next work on the tower battlements and crenulations.

Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: DonKarst0n on August 20, 2008, 03:18:11 PM
Coming along nicely.
Just don't let your assistant test it too often.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Your Mother on August 20, 2008, 11:37:18 PM
Its looking good.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on September 01, 2008, 08:12:31 PM
PART 9

The doors have been attached to the tower.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0768.jpg)

This was more difficult than I imagined, but so far the results look good. I still need to figure out how to make handles and hinges but I figure I can work that out bit later. Note that the upper level door will be opening up to a deck/balcony that will be used as a fighting platform.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0766.jpg)

This pic shows how the tower is going to relate to this section of the castle and I put a few models near it to get a vibe of what it all should look like after I complete it. As you can see Iíve base coated the castle walls already. Iím going to take the whole castle up to one more level of painting before I permanently mount it to the base.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0771.jpg)

Back to the tower, I began work on the towerís crenulations. The main crenulations were made from the pieces originally cut from the walls at the start of this renovation project. As they are only vaguely the same size Iím hoping this unevenness will give the appearance that this castle is old and weathered. 

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0769.jpg)

This  pic shows the first two corners with a model on the towerís top to give me a sense of scale. Note that one corner has a metal tube Ďbracketedí to the towerís base. This will be a banner holder. Once the project is complete I will make a series of interchangeable banners that can be switched out during play for different occupiers. The metal tube came out of an old Motorolla cell phone (Nextel i90). Itís amazing what kind of cool junk you can get out of old tech devices, but itís usually more appropriate for 40k instead of fantasy.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0772.jpg)

Here is the tower with all of the main crenulations. In between them will be a short wall that extends the main wall up a bit to provide a tad bit more cover to the men on top. (the strips are on the "ground" of the first two pics of this post) Iíll be adding that on tonight I hope. Again, the unevenness of crenulations will help convey that old worn-torn weathered look that Iím going for. Hopefully when the whole project is down one will think that the castle and tower were always part of the same model. Iím not sure how well it can be seen in this pic but there is now a wooden door in the center of the tower roof.
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on September 03, 2008, 11:36:10 AM
Heh, I've missed a coupl eof updates due to holidays, but this is looking awesome man! I love your doors and the rest of the tower. I don't know how to do the handles, but I think you can just PM steveb, he's built so many things and he's always happy to share his findings, as you may know from other threads. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on October 28, 2008, 03:50:06 AM
PART  10

Itís been too long since I updated this, but work has, slowly, progressed on Death Castle. Thereís been a lot of drama in and around my life (personal and work) over the past two months that has had a hard impact on my free time. The few moments of peace working on this castle have been quite rewarding. Though I doubt Iíll beat he December deadline, my ultimate goal is to hit a New Year deadline.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0841.jpg)

The first thing youíll notice, obviously, is that the tower now has paint on it. Sadly, these photos do not do the base coat justice, and the camera flash has the annoying effect of illuminating all the weird little shadow bits in the Styrofoam the paint couldnít get too, and which cannot be seen in the normal lighting. Never the less, seeing it from the perspective of these photos really helps me get critical with the whole piece; Iím definitely not done with the base coat!!!

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0842.jpg)

Also, since last time, Iíve added the arrowslits. These are the ones GW made, and I was wise enough to buy two blisters of them about 8-9 years ago anticipating a project like this one. (Who says hording is bad). It really did take quite a bit of time to fill in all the gapes I could. I was so happy to reach the point when most of them were filled, that I rushed out and sprayed the tower black and didnít realize Iíd left off the arrowslits until I started to basecoat it! It was easy enough to fix though. I think they add a bit of character, and hopefully will be handy in the actual game as well.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0843.jpg)

Doors are proving to be a bit of a challenge. Iím experimenting with painting them now, as you might be able to tell from these photos. I have figured out the solution to my handle dilemma, but I wonít put those on until after the doors are finished.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0845.jpg)

Thatís a wrap for now, I hope to update sooner as I get further along with this project in the upcoming weeks.


Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: steveb on October 28, 2008, 04:14:19 AM
Heh, I've missed a coupl eof updates due to holidays, but this is looking awesome man! I love your doors and the rest of the tower. I don't know how to do the handles, but I think you can just PM steveb, he's built so many things and he's always happy to share his findings, as you may know from other threads. Keep it up!
sorry I missed this when it was posted, you said you already solved your door but haven't put them on yet, so I still may be able to help. The fast mass method that I have used in the past was to take soldering wire of the correct size and wrap it around a brush handle of the size circle that I want, at this point it will look lie a coiled spring, I then cut down one side making a lot of rings all the same size. I then make a small square of thin cold pressed cardboard very thin a cut a small slit in the center, I then take a small strip of band paper or lead foil and put it through the ring hlfway t=and then fold the two tails back together, then I stick the tail throught the slit spread the tails apart and glue down and then glue the whole thing to the door and you have your handle, it will look just like the ones that GW casts on its doors.  I hope this helps some. steveb
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: GamesPoet on October 28, 2008, 04:40:14 AM
Looks like this project is coming along well! :icon_cool: :eusa_clap: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on October 29, 2008, 02:07:25 AM
Quote
I hope this helps some. steveb


Thanks!*  Actually, this is pretty much what I'm going to do. I've already coiled and cut the wires, I'm just waiting to be happy with how the coloring of the doors turns out before I stick'em on. In this photo (sorry, it's a bit blurry but my battery is too dead in the camera to take another pic currently) you can see the "mount" where the handle will go.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0844.jpg)

BTW, I found this method in the 'How to make Wargames Terrain" book by Nigel Stillman that GW put out way back in '96 (I can't believe it's that old now!). A good resource and I prefer it over the current version.

But Steveb, since I've got your attention, what color combinations would you recommend for an old well used, weathered door?  My current colors just aren't doing it for me.  Using ink on balsa wood has proved to be an error (it just soaks it up like a sponge, even with a light paint undercoat!).

*(also to Obi and Gamespost, thanks!)
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on October 29, 2008, 07:23:17 AM
Great progress, great job. Only 55 days to go!
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on November 01, 2008, 11:57:08 PM
yeah, no pressure right?  :icon_wink:


Some one asked me to post an updated profile shot (now that the castle has a base coat). So here it is:

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0847.jpg)
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Sigmar's son on November 02, 2008, 02:10:39 PM
Great job so far, it's looking amazing.
For all my wodden bits I use a dark green with a bit of yellow and it looks all old and weathered. Try it out on aa ice-pop stick first.Hopes this helps
Siggy son  :lol:
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Obi on November 02, 2008, 04:27:53 PM
Nice! Keep it up man, you can do it!
Title: Re: Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Struecker von Lengenfeld on November 02, 2008, 10:01:26 PM
looks awesome mate, very well done! :eusa_clap:
Title: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on March 20, 2009, 12:40:32 AM
PART 11: Return to Death Castle!

Yes, after too many months of neglect, and admittedly, modelerís block, two nights ago I returned to Death Castle. Right before Thanksgiving, I returned to 40k in a big way, and my Orks required, and still do, a lot of attention. My schedule is tough and things that require Ďa lot of attentioní taxes heavily on what little free time I have to devote to any of my modeling projects. However, with spring fast approaching I forced myself to let the boyz wait for a while and complete this project. I may have missed my deadline, but Iíd rather do this right and be ultimately satisfied than just hack my way through to a finish line.

When I last worked on this project, I was hung up on the way the castle walls have settled in such a way that mounting it to the base will become a major undertaking. I have figured out a way around that though, so when the time comes to do that part of the project, I shouldnít have too many worries.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0918-1.jpg)

I started right where I left off, continuing to concentrate on the tower. Upon returning to it, I decided that I hated the coloring on the doors and took a new approach. I based coated them brown and worked up a few highlights in various tan colors using mostly a dry brushing technique. Finally satisfied with that, I approached the stones. As you can see in the first photo, another layer of base coat was required.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0920.jpg)

The paints I used on the stones was Americana Graphite by DecoArt (base coat), AppleBarrel Colors Pewter Grey, and for the high light color I used Citadel Fortress Grey. Some stones are painted lighter than other others, and some darker, for a more realistic look. Iím going to go back and apply washes to a few odd stones, such as brown or terra cotta, to get an even more varied look.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0921-1.jpg)

I still need to highlight the stones on the roof and add the door handles before I tackle the balcony, which is still only halfway done, before the tower is done. I intend to get a lot more done on this soon.

Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Marcus Leitdorf on March 20, 2009, 12:59:42 AM
This is turning out and looking very good Neverness. :eusa_clap:

I really like the overall layout of the piece.

Marcus
Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on March 20, 2009, 01:19:48 AM
Thank you Marcus, it's much appreciated! I hope to get the roof, handles and the banner brace done tomorrow, or at least by next week (I'll be in Nascar hell over the weekend). I'm very pleased with how well this 20 year old foam paints up and, for the most part, does look like quite a bit like stone!

The composition is a result of where Death Castle's creater (Doc Trevor) chose to put the door. If I was starting from scratch I never would've put the door off center like that, but as a result, placing the tower in the opposite corner allowed for a bigger tower/keep, and really opens up the courtyard. It'll be really handy for play too!

Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: steveb on March 20, 2009, 03:26:47 AM
glad to see you didn't drop the project, it is looking good.  I know you are way past it now, but if it should occur again, when using balsa wood, seal it with some kilz, it fills in the porous suface and takes paint quite well just like a primer, if you cant get or find kilz, then seal the balsa with varnish and then prime. With the wood prepared this way you will be more satisfied with the results of your painting effort.  I think that the route you took seems to work very well.  I learned many of my ideas or techniques from a cartoon section in some old wargaming magazines from way back. the author/artist was Stan Catchpoole if I remember correctly, he always had neat ideas for conversion and detailing. I dont know if he is still with us or not but in either case my hat is off to you Stan where ever you are.   steveb
Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: samhain on March 20, 2009, 09:15:58 AM
Great castle! It looks old and poor and reminds about anemies buried under it walls and prisoners kept there. :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on March 20, 2009, 12:03:43 PM
I like the way you think comrade! Welcome to the forums!  :::cheers:::

Yes, lots of tortured weeping souls are trapped under it's venerable foundations. I was tempted, and still might do this, to show a break in one of the walls of the base that would reveal a massive fissure of skulls, but it also felt like it might be an unnecessary detail. I mean, the armies that have died, and will die, here are what earned this castle it's name!

Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on March 20, 2009, 10:55:48 PM
Part 11.5

Did some more work on the castle tower today.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0922.jpg)

Here is a birds eye view of the top of the tower with the roof stones complete. After some experimenting I opted not to put a handle or hinges of any kind on the roof hatch so as not to unbalance any models that may be positioned on the roof. So this part is essentially done.

Though it may be hard to see in some of these pics, I did randomly highlight a few stone by giving them a mix of a watered down brown / flesh ink wash.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0934.jpg)

After finishing that, I put the handles on the doors! They came out OK. I painted these metal, and they stand out good I think.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0933.jpg)

I painted the housing for the banner pole a rusty metal color to convey a bit of age to the tower (as if it didnít look war-torn and ravaged already!). I also added some rust color to the stone beneath to show the rocks being stained by the slow decay of the banner mount.

(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk289/vandire92/HPIM0935.jpg)

And finally here is a profile shot taken outside in natural lighting.

The next step is the balcony. It may be awhile until the next post as not only will that part of the project be time consuming, but work is about to get a bit taxing...
Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on March 22, 2009, 12:05:19 AM
glad to see you didn't drop the project, it is looking good.  I know you are way past it now, but if it should occur again, when using balsa wood, seal it with some kilz, it fills in the porous surface and takes paint quite well just like a primer, if you cant get or find kilz, then seal the balsa with varnish and then prime.   steveb

Thanks steveb! The final step for the Castle tower is to add the balcony/deck and I'm not sure how well the technique I used on the doors will hold up to the same scrutiny. So, where do you (or anyone else) recommend I find some 'Kilz' here in the states? I'm surpised I never heard of this stuff before, I used to work at an arts&crafts store!
Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 22, 2009, 12:08:23 AM
That tower looks excellent!
Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: neverness on August 14, 2017, 12:14:50 AM
>YAAAAWN!<
Time to wake this thread back up! It's been sleeping for well over 8 years now, somewhat peacefully.

I have received a few messages over time asking me what the status of this project is. Well, since the last update there has been zero progress, thus, nothing to update.

However recently those bastards over on Photobucket have sent me a 3rd party hosting warning (the same that everyone else seems to be getting) thus threatening the archival status of this project. So I have slowly been piecing this old thread back together on my blog. You can find the landing page for Death Castle here: https://nevernesshobby.blogspot.com/p/death-castle.html (https://nevernesshobby.blogspot.com/p/death-castle.html)

Restoring this thread on my blog has had two benefits:

1) I am able to post more pics from that time that, for whatever reason, I simply didn't share back then. (Respect for this page's bandwidth or something?)

And 2) it has rekindled my desire to finally finish constructing Death Castle!  I am very excited to do this actually and shall be posting updates and links here.

Oh, and a third, benefit, yes a third one:
 
3) it's got me and a local gamer talking about playing 8th Edition WFB again and specifically playing on Death Castle!

So exciting times ahead indeed. I hope you all enjoy.
Oh, and for old time's sake:  ::heretic::

-Neverness
Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: Warlord on August 14, 2017, 04:59:39 AM
I look forward to seeing your progress!!
Title: Re: Return to Death Castle: A restoration project
Post by: carturello on August 14, 2017, 12:12:24 PM
Scenary and cat it's a good pair! Funny and beauty!