Topic: Other Manufacturers

[Midaski]

They're running a preview at Salute in three weeks.

[The Red Graf]

I found this page on Facebook. Supposed to be running an Indigogo campaign in April.

https://www.facebook.com/warbandMiniatures/photos_stream

[ZeroTwentythree]

Very creative, original. Good to see more companies breaking new ground with original concepts. 

[The Red Graf]

Ah sarcasm. Not me, I'd rather see variations on themes I like.

[ZeroTwentythree]

I do to.... but only to a certain extent. It's one thing to see someone make their own interpretation of the "battle nun" concept, but this is flat-out, lazy copying of someone else's ideas. Even then, I could totally respect that as a personal fan/hobby project. I like seeing hobbyists doing cool conversions or sculpts for figures in existing games. But this appears to be someone trying to make money from stealing ideas.

[Timbor]

I like how it seems they are trying to see how close they can get to actually copying the GW IP (ie twin tailed comet, mordheim-esque text, etc).  I gotta agree with 023 on this one.  This seems like far more of a blatant copy than the Raging Heroes stuff, which genuinely feels like a unique take on a popular concept.  It's a tough line to tread though, as you can arguably predict that a small, unknown startup will have a very hard time just breaking even by offering something completely novel.  People tend to be like cattle, they like a set routine.  Same breakfast, same path to work, same daily pattern, same popular fantasy themes.  (except for some of us outlandish outliers  )

I wonder if the indiegogo will get cancelled due to a CnD from 'ol big brother GW?

[The Red Graf]

I don't know. GW is not supporting Mordheim and has not done so for a long time. The Mordheim community is pretty strong though. It seems logical that someone would step in and fill that niche. Not everyone has the time or the skill to convert or sculpt their own Sisters of Sigmar and god knows most of us can't afford to buy the originals.

You could argue that GW was the lazy actor here because they can't be bothered to support the game and don't respect there own product enough to allow healthy competition.

If the finished product is as good as these examples then more power to them.

[DariusZero]

Yeah, I agree with Red graf here, if GW don't want to support their own IP then screw them, I will suport whatever company that takes the ball and continues the range. It's not like they invented everything. NUns with knives, cmon, you can't IP licence that. Sometimes I have a feeling you guys work for the GW IP department.

[Darknight]

NUns with knives, cmon, you can't IP licence that.

If you could, the Catholic Church would have done it back in the 1400s.

[ZeroTwentythree]

These aren't just "nuns with knives." A lot of companies have taken their own shot at that. These are sculpted in the exact same style as the GW figures, and are covered with cliche Sigmarite symbols. In fact, they arguably align with three specific characters from Mordheim.

Honestly, if they had even just left off the comets & lettering, I would have given them a pass on the "close but still generic enough."

Regardless, if GW it sitting on their IP, that's their business. They may have other plans for it, and it's their right to let a game sit idle for a while. They let Space Hulk go dormant for years at a time, but have brought it back. It doesn't give third parties the right to rip them off. The fact that not everyone has access to the old figures or can't afford the prices they fetch on the secondary market doesn't change that.

Believe me, I am far from GW's biggest fan. I buy figures from a bunch of different sources. The same IP laws that protect GW also (theoretically) protect small & independent companies that develop their own IP.

[The Red Graf]

Unless one of us is an Intellectual Property Lawyer on the GW payroll this whole discussion can be boiled down to I like them or I don't. I think we are all aware that you don't.

[Midaski]

I like them - but I think 923 is right about the IP - they'll get jumped on for the comet, probably the 'S' and the hammer.

I suppose 9th Ed might not use the comet .................... 

[DariusZero]

And the comet thing is also GW IP, right?

[The Red Graf]

The Comet is only a single tailed comet and S could stand for a lot of things. I think if GW couldn't get a decisive victory in the Chapter House case then they probably couldn't win on the merits here either. That being said this seems to be a real fly by night operation, GW doesn't have to win on the merits all it has to do is make the guy understand what his attorneys will charge him to take the case to trial and the problem is solved.

[Midaski]

I was browsing Gripping Beasts new website - which they told me was coming in a recent newsletter ..............

.....when I found some new product available at Salute, which they don't seem to have told many people about. 

LightCavalry



Heavy Cavalry



£22.00 a box

[The Red Graf]

Are these plastic multi part kits?

[Midaski]

12 Multi-part plastic Arab Light Cavalry.

Comes with enough parts to make all 12 into javelin/spear armed or bow armed chaps.or, of course, a mix of both.
There are separate bow cases and quivers,
Many head variants and arms with trumpets and swords are included,




12 Multi-part Plastic Arab Heavy Cavalry and bases.

Comes with enough parts to make either 12 spear armed or 12 bow armed chaps or some mix of both!
Contains extra head variants, separate bow cases  and quivers, alternative arms with swords or trumpets.



All in all, jolly nice.

[The Red Graf]

12 Multi-part plastic Arab Light Cavalry.

Comes with enough parts to make all 12 into javelin/spear armed or bow armed chaps.or, of course, a mix of both.
There are separate bow cases and quivers,
Many head variants and arms with trumpets and swords are included,




12 Multi-part Plastic Arab Heavy Cavalry and bases.

Comes with enough parts to make either 12 spear armed or 12 bow armed chaps or some mix of both!
Contains extra head variants, separate bow cases  and quivers, alternative arms with swords or trumpets.



All in all, jolly nice.

Thanks, if these are close in size to GW they would make some cracking Araby cavalry.

[GamesPoet]

They looks like Araby cavalry to me.

[Midaski]

They're going to be a stock response like the Bret Pegasus.

Try these if you want Arab Cavalry ...................... 

[Quickbeam]

Man those look like they would make some great Araby Cavalry 

[Warhammer-Weib]

I've just taken a look at the Salute update of Black Scorpion miniatures ... lots of awesome minis I'd like to paint:

https://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/

[Midaski]

I've just taken a look at the Salute update of Black Scorpion miniatures ... lots of awesome minis I'd like to paint:

https://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/

I was just wondering if I could give the Amazons weapons - most of the hands look accessible.
I have a few sets of theirs on my shopping list - only two weeks from this Saturday.
I'm having to catch a train this year, which seriously might hinder my carrying capacity. 
I usually run around and collect my pre-orders and then take them back to the car, have some lunch and then browse ..........

So far I have 4 boxes of Arab Cavalry, 2 Boxes of Mongol Heavy Cavalry, a few 4Ground bits. Then a couple of Boxes of Perry Mounted Light Cavalry ................ lovely multi-part plastic .......... 

[Sikander]

Any body ever ordered from http://www.alionas.com/

they have some 'interesting' miniatures!

Some nice civilians including 'fierce step mother' and 'baker'

[ZeroTwentythree]

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This site was mentioned somewhere else recently. Looks like it hasn't been updated in a little while. I'd try to contact them first.