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Mark Perry:
Just has to tell you about a battle I had today, and was wondering if anyone else was having this problem with the stunties. I played this guy I know, hes ok a nice guy. I was waiting to play a game against chaos when he asked me if I wanted a game so I said ok.

Anyway I had
2 blocks of swords with 9 sword detachment
2 x 5 nilla knights
5 IC Knights
7 Outriders
2 Cannons
20 Flaggys
3 W/P
1 General on a Griffon
HRL

he took the cheesiest list I have ever seen

Anvil of Doom
Organ Gun
3 Cannons
2 Bolt Throwers
Rock Thrower
3 x 10 Thunderers
BSB

All with Engineer upgrades and a master engineer.

He castled on a hill, and over 6 turns I managed to flog my way up to his position and broke through his lines, and got a solid victory, but boy was it hard. That anvil is so hard it stopped my units marching so they had to face more shooting.

Has anyone else noticed the dwarf playing ubber hard lists, which may explain their position on the leaderboard?

Also he had "Forgotten" his ID number and army name so it only goes down as a unregistered victory - after all that work.

wissenlander:
Tough battle Mark.  I'm not sure if it's a result of specific lists or just a good solid army backed up by some average to awesome generaling (depending on the player) that has caused their high showing.  The one Dwarf player I've had a chance to play thus far didn't have a cheesy list at all, and he didn't sit back in a castled position either, which through me off because I was expecting it.

Captain Tineal:
We've had about 5 new Dwarf players show up at our store in the last couple weeks!

Uhg I hate fighting Dwarfs more than anything.

Duke Igthorn:
I certainly dont think all (or even most) Dwarf players take "cheesey" lists. Though that list you mentioned is cheesey IMHO. There are bad players and cheesey lists for ALL armies.
The reason Dwarfs are doing well is probably for two big reasons.
1) They have a very good website and are really working together.
2) Dwarves are tough opponents in a one-off game.

Wyzer1:

--- Quote from: Duke Igthorn on July 24, 2007, 08:04:16 PM ---I certainly dont think all (or even most) Dwarf players take "cheesey" lists. Though that list you mentioned is cheesey IMHO. There are bad players and cheesey lists for ALL armies.
The reason Dwarfs are doing well is probably for two big reasons.
1) They have a very good website and are really working together.
2) Dwarves are tough opponents in a one-off game.

--- End quote ---
<rant> (kinda)
And its almost impossible to make a bad list? And the standard dwarf list is tougher than most other balanced list? And they are nearly invulnerable to magic? And its probably the easiest army to play (Brets are negotiable)? And its impossible to flank them due to oathstones? And they have extremely tough core infantry backed up by awesome shooting and war machines? And they can kill nearly any "threat" (as in fast stuff) to their army at will with an anvil? And they have awesome average leadership, and rarely run away (although if they do they are mince-meat)? And they get miners on top of all that (so if you don't rush them they will hit your rear)? And their characters are extremely tough/armored making it extremely hard to kill them?
</rant> (kinda)

I am not sure, but I think they only disadvantage dwarves have is that they are slow, which if you castle or use Thorek negates the only advantage your opponents likely have over you (IMO)

Seriously, against Dwarves, if the general is decent/good and tries to make a decent list (or just includes Thorek) he will probably never lose (especially if the enemy list isn't tailored to dwarves)

I have never faced a dwarf player that didn't make a list that would qualify as power-gaming, and I have never faced a dwarf player who didn't castle

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