Between the Battles & the Art ... > The Count's Tavern
So St. Patricks Day is coming....
S.O.F:
--- Quote from: KTG17 on February 22, 2023, 02:02:20 PM ---So I have to admit I haven't followed Ireland politics that much and only know a little about the Troubles. How is it that Northern Ireland exists and why wouldnt all Irish want to be part of Ireland? I mean you could always have close ties with the UK, but England seized Northern Ireland, right? Who would appreciate that?
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Well because Northern Ireland isn't well Irish, not in a national sense but in the more early modern othering and divisions that care more about which version of Christianity you follow. Sure the Republic of Ireland was kind enough to put a orange stripe in the tricolor and the red hand of O'Neill remained an important symbol to Irish patriots, but Ulster had been lost since the end of the Nine Years War at the start of the 17th century. Plantations and immigration of protestants from both Scotland and England had forcibly displaced the original inhabitants, and while under Cromwell the English Republic had tried to expand this policy to Leinster and Munster it was far too brief a time to see the demographic change.
The Ulster question was one of the leading causes of the Irish Civil War in the 20's. To a degree it amuses me, the Unionist types now get to enjoy the largest headaches post-Brexit having an actual land border with an EU nation.
KTG17:
--- Quote from: S.O.F on February 22, 2023, 03:44:48 PM ---Plantations and immigration of protestants from both Scotland and England had forcibly displaced the original inhabitants, and while under Cromwell the English Republic had tried to expand this policy to Leinster and Munster it was far too brief a time to see the demographic change.
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Ahhhh I see. So these peeps literally draw their roots back to the UK, not to Ireland. Okay I can see how that would be problematic.
For the record I would like to see the UK out of Ireland altogether. But I have also heard Ireland might be reluctant to take in Northern Ireland even if Northern Ireland went for it.
So where was the IRA the most active? In Ireland itself or Northern Ireland?
S.O.F:
--- Quote from: KTG17 on February 22, 2023, 03:50:25 PM ---So where was the IRA the most active? In Ireland itself or Northern Ireland?
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Well everywhere during the fight for independence. The Northern Irish bit now is just a splinter of it left from the faction that refused the Free State solution of the 1920's during the Civil War.
S.O.F:
I did like in College, dinky Platteville WI where I went for undergrad, had the normal fare of trees and US Presidents for cross streets and the ubiquitous North of the Mason-Dixon Union Street but also a De Velera St.
KTG17:
Well, I remember Pres Clinton going over to Ireland and I believe help cutting off support for the IRA in the US. So I am guessing this was mostly happening in Northern Ireland? Guess I don't see much of a reason for them to be active in the south.
Would the IRA at the time in NA be Irish living in NA who want them to join the rest of Ireland, or the IRA be from the south trying to get the English out of NA?
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