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Galactic Conflict & Historical Games ... => Historical Games => Topic started by: MiB on February 13, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
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First these guys released some excellent Celt figures that I'm using for Flagellants and now they show off Pike and Shot mockups
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=1383
I want these, badly... They look fantastic and will surely fit into my Empire army as DoW, Handgunners or Pistolliers/Outriders
:biggriin:
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Nothing will stop me playing Dogs of War/Empire now.
Those are awesome.
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Infantry looks good, but I don't really like those cavalrymen. A matter of personal preference i guess - maybe if they were shown on their horses?
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Wow... they er... look better then our troops. :icon_confused:
I feel like GW is just not trying sometimes. These guys look fantastic.
I want an army with these guys now. Time to sell off some empire plastics.
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mmmm.. im not too keen.
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My only issue is the amount in each box. I would prefer more pike than shot.
Then again I could make that gunline I always wanted :engel:
Having seen Warlord romans next to high elves and empire I prefer the warlord models. The only issue at the time was the guy was using them as chaos warriors. Just didn't feel right.
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:icon_eek:
*Loud thud as Mathi falls from the chair and drops to the floor...
Those are... Me want...
Well, when they appear on some swedish sites I have under observation, I am so going to paint some up as the re-enactment society I am part of!
And donīt mention them I will make for my Empire army.
Bloody shame the pike is dead as the do-do in the Warhammer world. Would be wrong to field them awesome pikemens as mere spears.... Still, I could do it on occasion.
But those 24 musketeers will replace my present handgunners pretty pronto! :icon_mrgreen:
And I do not have too look further for my Hakkaapellitii.
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Are they cheaper than Renegade's metal civil war range though?
http://renegademiniatures.com/regecw.htm
Ģ12 for 24 models!
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Hurrah, pistoleers that look like pistoleers!
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Are they cheaper than Renegade's metal civil war range though?
http://renegademiniatures.com/regecw.htm
Ģ12 for 24 models!
Yeah, hard to beat. I just placed an order for a bunch of their Celts earlier in the week. It helps that we've got a decent exchange rate right now, as well. Even paying the postage to the US it was still a deal.
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Hurrah, pistoleers that look like pistoleers!
Yeah, and with non-existant light armour! :icon_rolleyes:
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Hurrah, pistoleers that look like pistoleers!
Yeah, and with non-existant light armour! :icon_rolleyes:
Is that better or worse than the full plate light armour the GW models have?
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Damn, and I just bought a box of 12 ACW cavalrymen from warlord games to convert into kislev horsemen. :eusa_wall:
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Is that better or worse than the full plate light armour the GW models have?
You paint the armour from the knee to the foot as high riding boots( the easier thing in the world, and I can tell you it looks perfectly fine once done) and they only have breastplates and thigh armour. More like heavy armour than light armour, but I think it's more true to the rules than no armour=> light armour.
Anyway, it's a matter of taste. I don't like them as pistoliers, some people will love them as pistoliers.
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They are carrying what can be said to be leather buff coats, of the kind the swedish cavalry used as main armour. And those leather coats clearly quality was light armour, protecting against sabrecuts and such.
No, they are perfect Innerwolf.
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Are they cheaper than Renegade's metal civil war range though?
http://renegademiniatures.com/regecw.htm
Ģ12 for 24 models!
Yeah, hard to beat. I just placed an order for a bunch of their Celts earlier in the week. It helps that we've got a decent exchange rate right now, as well. Even paying the postage to the US it was still a deal.
Post a picture when you've painted those!
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They are carrying what can be said to be leather buff coats, of the kind the swedish cavalry used as main armour. And those leather coats clearly quality was light armour, protecting against sabrecuts and such.
No, they are perfect Innerwolf.
Oh, you are right Mathi, I forgot about buffcoats. They were too pansy for me to remember them XD Spanish cavalry was shitty, but at least they wore proper breastplates until the end of the 30Y war.
(Only messing with you, I'm joking :icon_wink:)
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I like the handgunners and pikes. What is the price for the box?
It is too bad they are 24 and 12.
The pistoliers look stupid. I suppose if the horses looked okay then it would be alright.
Phil
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I didn't see the 24 musket/12 pike thing. That sucks. I would have bought the box otherwise.
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I intend to purchase around Ģ100 worth of boxes, so estimating 5 boxes if the prices are like their romans/celts stuff. So I'll have 60 pikemen and 120 handgunners.
I need to find out what to do with so many spare ranged.
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Give them to me?
The hats look stupid. Probably historically correct, but I don't like them. The rest is very well done.
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Stupid? Those hats are awesome. Hats are awesome, period. And I take such a hat any day than some fopish renaissance barret!
They are also historically correct, and as they are historically correct, they are per definition awesome. I have spoken! :ph34r:
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I actually read that post Mathi, that might actually be the only post that has been short enough. Congratulations!
Mogsam
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When I come across a Mathi Wall, I read it all.
Makes me feel more of a man, like I conquered a mountain.
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I just stare at the avatar of the man who looks like the cafe owner from Gilmore Girls and assume hes talking about how much hotter the mother is over the daughter.
Mogsam
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When I come across a Mathi Wall, I read it all.
Makes me feel more of a man, like I conquered a mountain.
I don't read them, but I scroll past, looking at the shapes the numerous paragraphs make. Its like some weird ink blot test. If you scroll by quick enough I think you can decern the future...
:icon_eek:
If they are the same price as the romans, then I will be crawling back into Empire quicker than you can spit!
Phil
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Crawl Philly, Crawl! :icon_razz:
I did a scroll past my last text and saw that in the future.
Mogsam, I fear that if you watch Gilmore Girls, I canīt help you not getting around my posts! :icon_razz:
By the way, I found that last post I made horrendous and stupid. I mean, no reasoning behind why, just a blunt statement. Any monkey can do that. If we all wrote like that, this forum would have no meaning and would make a black orc Eadbutt contest look like the height of intellectual debate! :icon_eek:
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and would make a black orc Eadbutt contest look like the height of intellectual debate! icon_eek
Are you implying it isn't? :icon_neutral:
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First these guys released some excellent Celt figures that I'm using for Flagellants and now they show off Pike and Shot mockups
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=1383
I want these, badly... They look fantastic and will surely fit into my Empire army as DoW, Handgunners or Pistolliers/Outriders
:biggriin:
I saw some actuals of the celts and romans. Excellent.
These pike and shot, and cavalry look super! :icon_biggrin: :icon_cool: :eusa_clap:
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Are they cheaper than Renegade's metal civil war range though?
http://renegademiniatures.com/regecw.htm
Ģ12 for 24 models!
Nice price, but I'm not sure I like the idea of only having 6 pikes per pack, and so many musketeers. Was it really that way during the ECW and the 30YW?
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All sellers of english civil war models I've seen seem to have a 2 to 1 ratio of handgunners and pikemen.
Certainly liked gunlines back then :engel:
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I like the handgunners and pikes. What is the price for the box?
It is too bad they are 24 and 12.
That's better than the renegade minis, but still a bit more of a difference than I'd prefer. Maybe that is the way it went historically during the ECW and the 30YW?
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Crawl Philly, Crawl! :icon_razz:
I did a scroll past my last text and saw that in the future.
Mogsam, I fear that if you watch Gilmore Girls, I canīt help you not getting around my posts! :icon_razz:
By the way, I found that last post I made horrendous and stupid. I mean, no reasoning behind why, just a blunt statement. Any monkey can do that. If we all wrote like that, this forum would have no meaning and would make a black orc Eadbutt contest look like the height of intellectual debate! :icon_eek:
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
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Was it really that way during the ECW and the 30YW?
I don't know about the 30 years war, but that's certainly how it was in the English civil war.
Not ideal for warhammer though... unless you get the appropriate warhammer ancients book.
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Crawl Philly, Crawl! :icon_razz:
I did a scroll past my last text and saw that in the future.
Mogsam, I fear that if you watch Gilmore Girls, I canīt help you not getting around my posts! :icon_razz:
By the way, I found that last post I made horrendous and stupid. I mean, no reasoning behind why, just a blunt statement. Any monkey can do that. If we all wrote like that, this forum would have no meaning and would make a black orc Eadbutt contest look like the height of intellectual debate! :icon_eek:
Theres nothing wrong with Gilmore Girls. Both of the main characters are good looking and I had glandular fever for months, gotta watch something, might as well be pretty.
Mogsam
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Was it really that way during the ECW and the 30YW?
I don't know about the 30 years war, but that's certainly how it was in the English civil war.
Not ideal for warhammer though... unless you get the appropriate warhammer ancients book.
Interesting to learn.
I really need to pick up a decent history book on the ECW and the 30YW, any suggestions anyone :icon_question:
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For a good story set around the time I'd suggest the Baroque trilogy, its a fiction series that stretches over the time period and is a) funny as hell b) painstakingly well researched
First volume is Quicksilver, give it a go :)
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The ECW basic sprue is up -
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/neo/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ecw_infantry_sprue_front.jpg
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=1426
They look ok - I assume we'll be able to see the actual thing at Salute next month, but initially I am a bit diasappointed about the one piece body including the head. - you get separate hats.
That might be useful if they do loads of morions ....................
Edit:
Of course - I have just realised - you have 13 bodies on the sprue, but only two of them have the left arm already sculpted , so for those of us with loads and loads of swordsmen, or militia arms from Ed.6 ...............
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That looks like a nice enough sprue.
Of course - I have just realised - you have 13 bodies on the sprue, but only two of them have the left arm already sculpted , so for those of us with loads and loads of swordsmen, or militia arms from Ed.6 ...............
The horrible, horrible anachronism! :icon_eek:
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Anna who?
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Anna who?
Yeah I though female - there was a 'crone' involved ............... :engel:
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Puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuns! :icon_evil:
:icon_evil: :icon_evil: :icon_evil: :icon_evil:
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Command sprue has a lot more potential for empire bits... slash and puff arms, halberd, neat sword arms and drum. Personally I'm interested in the 2 spears on there, since the current ones are a nightmare to put together and rank up.
Great for anyone who wants normal pistolier arms too.
And yes, they do sell their command sprues seperately. :happy:
(http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/neo/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ecw_command_sprue_back.jpg)
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I had the email over the weekend and have been looking.
They are doing a Parliamentarian** and a Royalist infantry box with I think enough to make 43 minis for Ģ18.00
Please note both boxes are exactly the same sprues, just different flags on the 'leaflet' with it.
I am arranging to collect a couple at Salute at the end of March - saves on delivery and gets me excited on the day.
:engel:
PS:
Parliamentarian** - I have told them that they cannot spell - they seem to have missed an 'a' out everywhere on their site - Parliment, Parlimentarian etc etc.
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Itīs so many musketeers...
But two boxes and I would have a core for a Nuln army.
Heck, why not make a Nuln army. Everyone would hate me for it! :icon_razz:
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Those are some pretty cool models.
I might buy two boxes, but I have no idea what I will do with all those handgunners.
Phil
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I'm only getting 5 boxes or so, so I could do with more.
:engel:
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in response to the title of this thread:
Yes he does.
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Itīs so many musketeers...
But two boxes and I would have a core for a Nuln army.
Heck, why not make a Nuln army. Everyone would hate me for it! :icon_razz:
come... come to the dark side yes you really really want to do an army based on Colonel Tott's heraldry, hell that what got me into nuln. These models would have cinched it for me even more were they out back then. Even now I'm thinking of getting some to use as both TYW and Empire pike.
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Can I ask if anyone has any of their plastics yet, of any kind?
I just got a couple of their metal figures (british mastiff handler & marcus aurelias) and I am quite dissapointed to see they are tiny, even on the small end of 25mm, no where near the 28mm "heroic" of the likes of GW, or Foundry.
The marcus aurelius looks like a hobbit on a pony next to GW/Foundry stuff :icon_evil:
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Got loads of the celt plastics. They're small compared to GW, but that's due to a more "realistic" size and proportioning. .
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Realistic is fine, but seriously, Aurelias is tiny and wee.
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Can I ask if anyone has any of their plastics yet, of any kind?
I just got a couple of their metal figures (british mastiff handler & marcus aurelias) and I am quite dissapointed to see they are tiny, even on the small end of 25mm, no where near the 28mm "heroic" of the likes of GW, or Foundry.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/minicomps/wgclt-scale1.jpg)
And if you're interested in seeing how they scale up with some of the other manufacturer's Celts, here's the first comparison pic I've taken:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/minicomps/bcomp1.jpg
I've got Wargames Factory & Renegade Celts, and BTD Germans all on the table to add to the line up as soon as I get time to finish them. And maybe some Ancient Spanish Scutari and/Caetrati from Crusader that I just picked up... if I get even more time.
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Well they don't look bad really. They look about the same size.
Phil
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I saw those pics from your blog earlier 023, thanks (must remember to check there first, such and excellent blog for gamers)
I will try to do a pic of marcus next to some other figures, so you can see what I mean, this guy is tiny, seriously he looks like a child on a pony next to even foundry figs.
measures 35 mm from the bottom of the hooves to the top of his head.
GW militia, 30mm from feet to head and looks huge in comparison.
Maybe it just this figure that is totally the wrong scale
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Or the fact that horses where generally smaller back then.
A large roman warhorse stood 1.4 meters over the shoulders.
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A small horse I could get, its the hobbit on its back that bugs me.
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A small horse I could get, its the hobbit on its back that bugs me.
:icon_lol:
Those celt heads look really interesting.
I think I may have to order a box or two for my rabble militia (with some GS to add beard etc.).
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A small horse I could get, its the hobbit on its back that bugs me.
:icon_lol:
Those celt heads look really interesting.
I think I may have to order a box or two for my rabble militia (with some GS to add beard etc.).
They do look very nice, I have been rackig my brains for a reason to buy them, and the romans, but given some of the sizing issues I might hold off, since they would have to rank up with GW stuff from time to time.
Anyway, sorry for the truly aweful pic from my phone, but here is a comparison
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/Cod13/Wargames/macomparison.jpg)
GW Plastic Militia, Marcus from Warlord, Old Glory 25mm! mounted handgunner.
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That gigantic militiaman is going to kick someones ass!
Phil
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That gigantic militiaman is going to kick someones ass!
:icon_lol:
Imagine how much money Uryens will save when he makes an army of giants.
20 of them in one Militia box.
Now that is saving money right there.
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:icon_lol:
Now theres a plan!
Highlights the problem though doesnt it, the horseman on the right just about fits in on the battlefield, but does look a little smaller, but thats ok, they arent heavy knights on destriers, they are dragoons on nags, and they claim only to be 25mm!
But the figure in the middle claims to be 28mm. Not a cat in hells chance.
Now thanks to 023 the celts look ok next to a GW fig, but what about the legionaries?
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http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=1603
Fully painted box contents, sprue shots, soon to be released! I'd pre-order some if I weren't already at my budget this month on models.
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Just be aware that they may well look tiny next to GW figures, the general concensus I have found on the 'tinterweb is that they are "true 25mm" and not 28mm at all.
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I just got a copy of Warhammer English Civil War from Ebay, so that wont be a problem :biggriin: Will use them with that book.
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I'll be picking up some Pike'n Shotte on Saturday at Salute, so will be able to evaluate.
:engel:
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I'll be picking up some Pike'n Shotte on Saturday at Salute, so will be able to evaluate.
:engel:
I have been hopeing someone would do this, I really, really, really hope their excellent looking cavalry will fit in with GW stuff/foundry stuff
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I await Midaski's judgement!
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We'll make sure to make a careful evaluation of these and other minis...
Midaski and I are meeting up at Salute....
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Bumpity
So, Midaski
Can I ask about the Warlord Pike and Shotte?
Thoughts, scales, uberness?
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He probably forgot all about it. :engel:
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I'll anwer that. They look great ! Good detail, plenty interchangeable parts, accurate weapon sizes.
Unfortunately that makes them : a bit smaller than GW, particularly wher weapon, hand- and headsizes are concerned.
I personally wouldn't mix them, but Midaski is trying to put a 6th ed sword arm on them... (of which I'd enjoy a photo...)
Cue M.
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Well hopefully with all the other ECW stuff they're bringing out (mounted guys) I'll be able to make my Warhammer ECW army, and a Dogs of War army.
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Re mixing them
Would unit of entirey Warlord Games figs look completely out of place next to a unit of entirely GW stuff?
Or would you just not mix n match within a single unit?
(FWIW I have pained up my Marcus Aurelius and it is a very nice figure)
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I've just had a little closer look at the ECW sprues.
A box for Ģ18.00 gives you 3 main sprues and a command sprue.
The links to the sprue pics are earlier in the thread if you want exact detail, but simply there are 13 one-piece legs and torso on the main sprue and 3 on the command sprue.
The figures are a bit smaller than GW - I reckon 25mm as opposed to 28mm - the heads particularly are quite small.
Due to the type of clothing though they are quite chunky.
I am not sure quite how the 13th figure works out - it's a spare for some reason, but you can make 4 pike and 8 shot off each sprue.
The pikes are plastic and you get two upright, one angled and one forward.
Most of the bodies have no arms at all, so there is a right and left arm option for the muskets.
As it is, you have to say it is a great kit - 42 minis for the Ģ18.00
You get a command sprue with musician (drum or flute) and standard options, and various weapons. The main sprue has add-on sheathed swords for the troopers, and there are a couple of Musket positions, and there are gun rests for those firing.
Also the heads are designed to take a hat, and there are several choices of those - even a couple of morions.
However matching with GW plastics is tricky. The swords particularly are very thin and small compared to our soldier plastics. I think I will try some of the pouffy arms from my Ed6 bits, and they seem ok, but then it makes the heads look even tinier .........
If you are playing ECW or even Border Reivers, then they are very good value. I have considered that several of them might even make a Government / Royal Navy 'crew' in Legends of the High Seas.
I have two boxes, and so I think I will try to make a unit of swordsmen and a unit of pikes/spearmen, with maybe a few handgunners or duellists out of the leftovers.
I don't think they'll mix and match with existing GW troops.
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People have probably noticed, but new releases for Pike and Shotte, artillery!:
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=1845
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Ahh yes i glimpsed those.
Spent a couple of minutes chuckling at the crew though.
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Spent a couple of minutes chuckling at the crew though.
Why?
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One of the uniforms has its buttons on the left side or some other historical butchery? :eusa_wall:
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People have probably noticed, but new releases for Pike and Shotte, artillery!:
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=1845
Every chance you get.......
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I'd definatley buy these, but there are just too many muskets compared to the pikes... :-(
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Clearly a backwater child. Too many guns? Bah. :dry:
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We need no muskets.
We fight with CANNON!
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Cannon alone cannot win :-P
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Nice cannon , i got a free mini of the ECW muskeeter from Wargames Illustrated . Noot bad but snall in to comapriosn with GW figs . Put it on a GW base and looks ok .
Definitely may start a ECW army using WH ECW rules could easily get a 1-2k army with three boxes and a couple of cannon for the roundgeads New Model army .
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All the oldbeards at my club sneer at the thought of Warhammer English Civil War. Which is a shame, as I'd like to try it. Apparently it's too simple, but hell, doesn't stop it being fun.
One problem with that ruleset is hailshot. Insanely powerful. Grapeshot always at strength 6 and moves d6 inches (and anyone touched while it moves is hit on a 4+). :icon_mrgreen:
My ribauldequin in my HYWEnglish at strength 4 was nasty enough.
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Cannon alone cannot win :-P
Tell you want, you have this pistol and I'll have this Cannon and we'll see who wins :happy:
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Don't be stupid :-P
Edit: "Silly" wasn't strong enough.
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People have probably noticed, but new releases for Pike and Shotte, artillery!:
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=1845
There's not much reason to buy their metal stuff though. Not as long as Perry Miniatures exist.
I don't think they'll mix and match with existing GW troops.
Good! It would look stupid.
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That cannon would be pretty good as a DoW cannon.
If it's around Ģ5, I'll get a couple.
If nothing else, it'll be a good source of plastic wheels for conversions.
Edit: Oh, wait, it's resin not plastic. Never mind.
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There's not much reason to buy their metal stuff though. Not as long as Perry Miniatures exist.
Their metal stuff is pretty uninspiring. Goofy looking, in some cases. :|
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There's not much reason to buy their metal stuff though. Not as long as Perry Miniatures exist.
Their metal stuff is pretty uninspiring. Goofy looking, in some cases. :|
I got the marcus aureius figure which is a very nice figure, though tiny and wee
I also have an ancient british dog handler and 3 mastiffs, they are very nice figures, well worth the effort.
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I changed my mind, I'm gonna buy some. The models are just too damn awesome, I can convert some of the muskets into pikes, and just add a bit of puff and slash. Just one question: Is there any difference between the parliamentarian and royalist boxes in terms of bits? They don't look very different.
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There isn't.
They come with different (paper) flags, that's all.
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I got the marcus aureius figure which is a very nice figure, though tiny and wee
I also have an ancient british dog handler and 3 mastiffs, they are very nice figures, well worth the effort.
Ho looks OK.
I'm shopping around trying to find some suitable "high command" figures for a 1st century BC Roman army and saw this. Looks like a Roman Hobbit on a pony. :/
http://shop.warlordgames.co.uk/imperial-roman-officers-363-p.asp
I also have an ancient british dog handler and 3 mastiffs, they are very nice figures, well worth the effort.
I previously missed the mastiffs. Nice looking figures. I'd been looking at the Vendel mastiffs before, but don't know where to get them in the US. I'll have to look into the Warlord figures....
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Like I said 023, Marcus Aurelius, great figure, looks like a hobbit on a pony.
Can you reccomend someone that does nice psuedo medieval/dark ages villagers?
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Gripping Beast:
http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=11
Hasslefree:
http://www.hasslefreeminiatures.co.uk/range.php?range_id=27&subcat_id=66
Foundry:
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/CIVIS/1/index.asp
Old Glory have an entire range of "Revolting Peasants" plus possibly some other civilians mixed in with other ranges.
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The Warlord toys are sensational.
Maybe GW should get Paul Hicks to do the next Empire foot troops.
His Victrix Napoleonics are being given the same lavish worship as the perry's.
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Cannon alone cannot win :-P
Tell you want, you have this pistol and I'll have this Cannon and we'll see who wins :happy:
The pistol would win. The chance of one man loading and firing cannon and hitting anything is tiny