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Title: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 11, 2018, 09:13:30 AM
Good day, ladies and gentlemen! )  :happy:

I have always been a fan of Warhammer Fantasy world and lore. When the End Times started I was surprised, when the new AoS started I was rather appalled. And remain in that state. The new miniatures are great, of course, but the lore is just bland. So I prefer to stay in the good Old World.

Then the TW:Warhammer came out and one particular faction I found most interesting: Empire Secessionists. I might be wrong but I can't recall any mention of any separatist movement in Empire fluff. I guess it is simply because the Empire is a loose confederacy so you can't really "secede" from it, but since they are positioned in Reikland I suppose they wanted independence on a province level, or at least to become free city-states.

Anyway, I thought the idea of making an Empire Secessionists army was a good one. I chose grey and blue colour scheme for two reasons: first it is reminiscent of Middenland, so I like the idea of them unofficially supporting the rebellion. And the second reason is surprisingly Star Wars: the separatists there also had grey and blue scheme.

Later some scenery will follow. But for now just some painted troops. Oh, BTW I multibase my armies because I actually play Mantic's Kings of War (use the rules) a far superior game to WH 8-th edition and AoS in my opinion.  :smile2:

Empire Secessionists Heave Pike Regiment

(https://i.imgur.com/PpHH2Gz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bkJTYDW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/10N6dQX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nEGWXun.jpg)


Empire Secessionists Handgunners

(https://i.imgur.com/suii3vi.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sVOKYqG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HeBxKHs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Si221x7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nDY96Bl.jpg)


Empire Secessionists Greatswords

(https://i.imgur.com/hAYjTAR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2hD2mfv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zMTTsCz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JK5Ej0i.jpg)

Any comments, please? )  :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Warlord on March 11, 2018, 10:01:29 AM
Beautiful. Welcome also (at least to the land of the posting).

I really love the shields, and also the purple sashes. How do you do that purple?
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 11, 2018, 10:21:44 AM
Beautiful. Welcome also (at least to the land of the posting).

I really love the shields, and also the purple sashes. How do you do that purple?

Thank you very much!  :blush: I have posted before on the forum (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=51727.0 (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=51727.0)), but got preoccupied with my Ogre pirate army, so had to postpone my Empire army.

Well, just applying genestealer purple over xereus purple with a bit of white. Originally I wanted to make it red, but that would be too Reiklandish. Another idea was to make it black, but that din't look right. So I pretend that they are wearing something like that:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Sashvanda.jpg)
 :smile2:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 11, 2018, 10:39:11 AM
Excellent work. 

On a side note: Marienburg seceded from the Empire in 2429. As it happens, blue is the colour of Marienburg in my History of the Empire as Depicted in the Art of the Time (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=47520.0), although the official colours seem to be blue, yellow and red.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 11, 2018, 11:04:53 AM
Excellent work. 

On a side note: Marienburg seceded from the Empire in 2429. As it happens, blue is the colour of Marienburg in my History of the Empire as Depicted in the Art of the Time (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=47520.0), although the official colours seem to be blue, yellow and red.

Thanks a lot! )  :smile2:

Wow, that is a lovely thread you linked! I shall most definitely have a read. Most impressive!  :Ohmy:
Yes, Marienburg is the first thing that comes to mind when we think about separatism in the Empire. But I have always had an impression that it quite literally bought its independence from Emperor Dieter (?). However I need to read your thread carefully to educate myself on that. )  :smile2:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Warlord on March 11, 2018, 11:14:20 AM
Oh I remember that thread and when you joined then. Has it seriously been about 1 1/2 years since then? Wow!
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 11, 2018, 11:36:50 AM
Oh I remember that thread and when you joined then. Has it seriously been about 1 1/2 years since then? Wow!

Yes, I'm afraid. Time is flowing unforgivingly fast. )  :unsure:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Artobans Ghost on March 11, 2018, 02:44:21 PM
What a great fluff story. I really like the blue and grey colours
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 11, 2018, 04:50:28 PM
What a great fluff story. I really like the blue and grey colours

Thank you very much. The fluff will most likely evolve as I will be adding new units.

I am currently working on some scenery for my Empire collection. So most likely this thread will turn into something bigger than just one army.  :smile2:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 11, 2018, 05:00:01 PM
[Wow, that is a lovely thread you linked! I shall most definitely have a read. Most impressive!  :Ohmy:
Yes, Marienburg is the first thing that comes to mind when we think about separatism in the Empire. But I have always had an impression that it quite literally bought its independence from Emperor Dieter (?). However I need to read your thread carefully to educate myself on that. )  :smile2:

Thank you! Well, secession just means "the withdrawal of a group from a larger entity, especially a political entity." Of course, the Empire's official position is that the granting of independence by Dieter IV was an illegal act, and that Marienburg is still part of the Empire. There were three campaigns against the city immediately after the secession in 2429, which all failed to bring Marienburg back under Empire control. The official position of the Empire has since been de facto ignored for practical purposes.

Keep the good work up!
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 11, 2018, 05:44:36 PM
Thank you! Well, secession just means "the withdrawal of a group from a larger entity, especially a political entity." Of course, the Empire's official position is that the granting of independence by Dieter IV was an illegal act, and that Marienburg is still part of the Empire. There were three campaigns against the city immediately after the secession in 2429, which all failed to bring Marienburg back under Empire control. The official position of the Empire has since been de facto ignored for practical purposes.

Thank you very much for clarifying that!  :smile2: That enriches the fluff behind my army even more! Being backed by Middenland and Marienburg at the same time! Which places the home city of my army somewhere close to the border with both Middenland and Westerland. If we are to believe this map, then to the far west along the river Reik.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4d/46/3c/4d463c6677962fb2072a0d194b31883b.jpg)
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: hamster on March 11, 2018, 06:55:25 PM
this is one of the most original armies I have ever seen, good work lad
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Illumini on March 11, 2018, 07:24:18 PM
Cool fluff and an impressive amount of painted infantry. Looking forward to more
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Il Condottiero on March 11, 2018, 07:28:37 PM
Lovely looking army, and a rather unique concept - tackling on your own the concept, I mean.

I do Marienburg myself, also on the perspective of an Imperial secessionist force in a sense.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 11, 2018, 08:21:53 PM
this is one of the most original armies I have ever seen, good work lad

Thank you very much. That solved quite a bit of time for me thinking about what province to paint. Since I couldn't decide between Reikland, Middenland or Marienburg. )  :smile2:


Cool fluff and an impressive amount of painted infantry. Looking forward to more

Thank you very much. More infantry on the way! )  :smile2:



Lovely looking army, and a rather unique concept - tackling on your own the concept, I mean.

I do Marienburg myself, also on the perspective of an Imperial secessionist force in a sense.

Thanks a lot! I would love to see your Marienburg army, could you possibly provide a link to the thread where I could have a look, please?  :smile2:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: scrubber on March 11, 2018, 11:09:37 PM
Nice crisp painting. Isn't there something in ETW computer game about troops being sent from Middenheim to help the secession?
What size base does KOW use, does each figure still occupy a 20mmx20mm area ?
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Rowsdower on March 12, 2018, 04:07:46 AM
Great job
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 12, 2018, 05:55:24 AM
Nice crisp painting. Isn't there something in ETW computer game about troops being sent from Middenheim to help the secession?
What size base does KOW use, does each figure still occupy a 20mmx20mm area ?

Thanks a lot. ) Yes, there is some mission for Karl Franz where there is a battle between Reikland and Middenland. If I recall correctly reiklanders assault middenlanders on march to send a message to Todbringer not to support secessionists ever again. However this mission becomes active after the separatists are destroyed, if I am right.

Yes, each figure still should be on 20x20 mm base, but the beauty of KoW is that it is the regiment that is important, not every single miniature. I, for example, have 8 figures instead of classical 10 on my base. But the base is still 100x40 mm base. So a long as the base is of the correct size you can put as many (or as few) miniatures on it as you like. Which opens a world of possibilities for mini dioramas, scenes, vignettes, etc.

I often use 8 instead of 10 miniatures because I have always found regiments in WH too "cramped together". I mean that might work well for a shield wall or halberdiers even, confronting cavalry, but it looks odd for handgunners. Being in such tight formations meant having to hit each other with your elbows all the time!

There is amino mum model count rule in KoW still. 50% + 1 model for the unit. For example, you want a unit of 10 (which are called troops in KoW), so you need to have a base of 100x40 mm and at least 6 miniatures on it. The rest of the space can be occupied with everything you might wish. )
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Konrad von Richtmark on March 12, 2018, 08:35:30 AM
I don't think it would make sense for Marienburg to support secessionists. As far as I've understood, Marienburg retains its independence largely by making it not worth it for the Empire to reconquer it. Partly by making sure the price to pay for reconquest would be prohibitively high, both in terms of direct military effort needed and in terms of collateral damage it would do by disrupting trade. But also partly by playing nice with the Empire and being generally aligned with it in international politics. Support for secessionism would go against the latter.

A more likely candidate for secession would indeed rather be a bunch of northern electors who might resent the primacy of the Cult of Sigmar. Essentially, the electors of the northern old-gods-worshipping forest provinces. They might think they have little common interest with the southern provinces except for mutual defence against external enemies, something they shouldn't need a unified empire for.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 12, 2018, 10:16:29 AM
I don't think it would make sense for Marienburg to support secessionists. As far as I've understood, Marienburg retains its independence largely by making it not worth it for the Empire to reconquer it. Partly by making sure the price to pay for reconquest would be prohibitively high, both in terms of direct military effort needed and in terms of collateral damage it would do by disrupting trade. But also partly by playing nice with the Empire and being generally aligned with it in international politics. Support for secessionism would go against the latter.

A more likely candidate for secession would indeed rather be a bunch of northern electors who might resent the primacy of the Cult of Sigmar. Essentially, the electors of the northern old-gods-worshipping forest provinces. They might think they have little common interest with the southern provinces except for mutual defence against external enemies, something they shouldn't need a unified empire for.

Very good point, I guess.  :smile2: Mariendurg would indeed see it as something "bad for business". Directly supporting separatism would be useless, however where there is war there is profit, so I guess Marienburg would hold a neutral position, selling stuff to both sides. This is not an uncommon situation in our own history.

In TW:W as far as I recall Middinland supports secessionists because of Todbringer's failure to become the Emperor. So I would indeed stick to the idea that it is Middenland that keeps this separatist movement afloat not to destroy the entire Empire but to irritate Reikland.  :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 12, 2018, 10:49:48 AM
Of course, you could go back in time, to the Age of Wars, which saw plenty of secessions. The most important secession was the Ottilian Empire (Talabecland) 1360-2304. Even under KF, there is still some nostalgia in Talabecland for the Ottilian Empire. 
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 12, 2018, 12:16:04 PM
Of course, you could go back in time, to the Age of Wars, which saw plenty of secessions. The most important secession was the Ottilian Empire (Talabecland) 1360-2304. Even under KF, there is still some nostalgia in Talabecland for the Ottilian Empire.
Yes, I thought of that actually. Placing my army somewhere 1000 years ago would solve quite a lot of problems, but what bugs me is that in that case the looks of the uniform and general attire should be less "modern". I know that the Empire has been stale for decades if not centuries in terms of technology and perhaps even fashion  (I am not entirely sure that I am correct here), but not to that extent. Making them less renaissance and more medieval would simply kill quite a lot of appeal that they have for me.  :-P

I think I shall stick to the very local,  de facto Middenland governed secessionist movement somewhere in the first years of Karl Franz's reign. That is not entirely impossible, is it? What do you think?  :smile2:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Zak on March 12, 2018, 01:38:31 PM
WHOA, epic !! :::cheers::: :::cheers::: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 12, 2018, 03:23:41 PM
WHOA, epic !!

Thank you. Cheers! )  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 12, 2018, 04:42:25 PM
You look different somehow. Did you do something to your hair?

But on topic: do they need to secede from the Empire? How about just seceding from Middenland or other region.?
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 12, 2018, 05:08:32 PM
You look different somehow. Did you do something to your hair?

But on topic: do they need to secede from the Empire? How about just seceding from Middenland or other region.?

I grew some proper brutal manbeard and waxed my mustache with most refined elven balm to make it curly and fabulous!  :-P (Which I actually did in real life!)

How about from Reikland (I have some strong dislike for that particular province for some reason) and joining Middenland? Or becoming a free City-State rather?  :smile2:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 12, 2018, 05:30:41 PM
Well, there is the historical example of the Swiss versus Habsburg (which is the historical counterpart of the Holswig-Schliestein dynastie). If there is a historic grievance (real or imagined), then inaccessible terrain (Grey Mountains) and the proximity of an enemy of my enemy (Bretonnia) would increase the chances of a secession.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 12, 2018, 05:59:38 PM
I guess that is a great plan! Thanks a lot.  :smile2:

I am being quite pedantic about this, because I also need to place their home city of Himmelstadt somewhere..... Having it close to mountains sounds good!  :smile2:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Il Condottiero on March 12, 2018, 06:53:10 PM

Thanks a lot! I would love to see your Marienburg army, could you possibly provide a link to the thread where I could have a look, please?  :smile2:

Alas, unfortunately my Marienburgers are currently on the process of being repainted, I've not posted them up yet. Most of the army are made of tilean dogs of war units, in any case.

I can bring you these two characters, however. A captain and a paymaster.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fvwSWClH_t7ylLIe2hb1-hYfEirrJ9DlYmbXyMKrcowj8g5IbcFauEIzTBdSxwsoV5pShJvktqYfEXCNLJt7a5HElwakBuqRXTX-vnbclK7tNk52QiCm-JZLw-2y1jWSiD0qS41UrVwg57b-gJbf53z3Vo5xJPzC8254tA4cFBXAY5Af5JjatO4hI_tFBqTKV15613Qs_YebhZhVE7N1oR-GQBDKx7xIiMMqd7c19occ56rOlTmjrh61dY9gooCjx4FDIVohb-t-myShZsDpKOzI4KUHcBmknPfSoggWMOjlyTDSbyMjmG_ilfWNANTVokVizqVn7ANY34gAYK-kjuXotiCZuGwAMDnyRBsazQCqP6otL3aN16hhAKERvtZu2EIH4kodiXUsuq8s208QQlyR-QN-NW0ok0vJz75Z0fx3pB7WprrEiNclzZGjm4w4IQ7dD8IWLXIDVW0kg7jzEZwntNoy9sYtTqlQ0VqG7-mEEeeidE8W-U02Hw9eABE0J_CNNSJfxbeLIOt1G4hmg9PzcA973uluSVu7P1zIi_6SqXCkgLcMjD0wHa_mG2aC8NuQVjm7Rw68aFF8qw9mnxJTRtQ1y0I1bj6VSHQ=w315-h363-no)

Scheme is red/blue/yellow.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 12, 2018, 07:22:20 PM

Alas, unfortunately my Marienburgers are currently on the process of being repainted, I've not posted them up yet. Most of the army are made of tilean dogs of war units, in any case.

I can bring you these two characters, however. A captain and a paymaster.

Scheme is red/blue/yellow.

These guys look positively awesome!  :smile2: really looking forward to seeing your progress.
Forge World has some upgrade bits for Marienburg, don't they? The prices are, however, most likely insane.  :dry:

Edit: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-WW/Empire-Manann-s-Blades Yep! 30£ For 10 incomplete even figures.  :happy:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: S.O.F on March 12, 2018, 08:30:34 PM
Then the TW:Warhammer came out and one particular faction I found most interesting: Empire Secessionists. I might be wrong but I can't recall any mention of any separatist movement in Empire fluff. I guess it is simply because the Empire is a loose confederacy so you can't really "secede" from it, but since they are positioned in Reikland I suppose they wanted independence on a province level, or at least to become free city-states.

Fidelis has covered a bunch of this already but as I don't know the amount Fidelis had looked into the W:TW setting compared to other I'll chime in these bits. The game setting for Warhammer Total War is a contrivance to well make the game work. The Imperial election of 2502 was a contentious one, not really due to animosity of Electors but that for the first time since the ascension of Wilhelm III there was politically viable opponent to stand for the title of Emperor other than the Princes of the Reikland. Graf Boris of Middenland was in his fifties, well respected and known for both his political and martial prowess, his Reikland counterpart, Karl Franz, was the young and untested. The vote was close by modern Imperial standards but it was honored and no 'real' incidents occurred other than perhaps some minor border skirmishes which were soon quelled as the new Emperor proved an energetic and able leader.

Now if you like the Total War version cool but to further add to Fidelis's contributions if you want table top stuff there are a couple of options. As mentioned you could have a Marienburg connection, not direct but that parts of the northern Reikland depend on the wealth more from Marienburg than Altdorf. Here is the best application of perhaps the Swiss Confederation analogy that has already been offered. The other older one not brought up is that WHFRP 2 set it up that for the first millennium of the Empire, the Reikland was rather a weak state with many rival claimants. Sigmar departed without heirs and there was a long political struggle between rivals to establish a strong Prince. Perhaps the region you want to create still harbors long held distaste for the winners of that struggle and displeased with other parts of Imperial politics want to push for Free State status over anything else. 
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Konrad von Richtmark on March 12, 2018, 10:55:00 PM
While the internal politics of the Empire (as well as any other faction divided into sub-factions) are utterly stupid in Warhammer: Total War, I still find the basic premise of the Empire campaign entirely plausible. Let's say Karl Franz won against Boris Todbringer by the narrowest margin, 8-7. Boris probably got six of the Elector Counts (mainly himself and the northern ones) and Ar-Ulric. That'd leave Karl Franz with just four Elector Counts, the three Sigmarite votes, and the Halfling Elector. So Boris might think for himself, eh, we're six provinces against four, we have more armies, so Karl Franz can get stuffed. Chances are that Ar-Ulric whispered in his ear (or, given the nature of the Cult of Ulric, shouted and pounded his fist maybe) about how he should rule, how he would have won if not for the iniquity of the Sigmarites having three votes against the Ulrican one.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Der Wissenlander on March 13, 2018, 12:09:16 AM
Nice! Those shields are awesome!  :eusa_clap:

I recently got back into WHFB. I left when 6e started, and came back to so many changes. My nephew and I decided to start armies though, using 6e. I fell in love with Empire after initially having VC and Dwarf armies. I also wanted a sort of revolutionary army of the people rising up. I settled on Nuln/Wissenland because I like the Nuln fluff and the drabness of Wissenland (both are under the same Elector Countess). I’m painting up some Greatswords now. For my Knightly Orders, I’m using White Wolves and an obscure Sigmarite chapter in Wissenland called the Black Hammers. According to the fluff, they provide for themselves and donate any surplus to the local people. I’m thinking black and white as a color scheme, but I don’t know.   :?

I particularly like the Nuln Shantytown fluff re: crime bosses. I’m going to have my Free Companies be local toughs from the pubs a crime boss sent as a levy tribute to the Countess. They’re poor, so seen as expendable. Maybe the Black Hammers will try to convert them. “Just stay away from those flagellants, blokes.”  :-P

I can’t find a female model that I like, so my “Elector Count” will probably just be the Countess’ marshall or a nobel trying to win her favor with battlefield heroics (she’s like Elizabeth I that way).

(I’m new to the board, btw. Hi, all!)
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: S.O.F on March 13, 2018, 11:46:37 AM
While the internal politics of the Empire (as well as any other faction divided into sub-factions) are utterly stupid in Warhammer: Total War, I still find the basic premise of the Empire campaign entirely plausible. Let's say Karl Franz won against Boris Todbringer by the narrowest margin, 8-7. Boris probably got six of the Elector Counts (mainly himself and the northern ones) and Ar-Ulric. That'd leave Karl Franz with just four Elector Counts, the three Sigmarite votes, and the Halfling Elector. So Boris might think for himself, eh, we're six provinces against four, we have more armies, so Karl Franz can get stuffed. Chances are that Ar-Ulric whispered in his ear (or, given the nature of the Cult of Ulric, shouted and pounded his fist maybe) about how he should rule, how he would have won if not for the iniquity of the Sigmarites having three votes against the Ulrican one.

I mean certainly it could have happened though it still ignores the character of Boris Todbringer. That is perhaps the poorest job of W:TW, despite having a good list for the Electors, even for the 2502 start, with reasonably developed personalities and characteristics we don't get that in the game. Honestly I think the whole thing would have been better set up starting in say the 2100's leading up until the Great War. Most of the mechanics of growing chaos trouble could have stayed the same but it would have opened it up for more interesting and less on the rails sort of campaign play. Alas probably too much effort to cost return to do so.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Rowsdower on March 13, 2018, 11:47:44 AM
Talk of old world mobsters puts the imagine in my mind of a guy in Renaissance style clothing [but in black with white pin stripes], armed with a crossbow that fits inside a lute case :-P
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 13, 2018, 02:49:45 PM
Nice looking army! Even tough they're dirty traitors, they are very good looking, dirty traitors. :-P
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 13, 2018, 03:05:53 PM
Nice looking army! Even tough they're dirty traitors, they are very good looking, dirty traitors. :-P

Dirty traitors?!  :ph34r: En Garde, Herr Xathrodox!

Well, we need to find out what particular province they are seceding from or to!  :-P The discussion in this thread will eventually pin their location on the map, as well as the location of their hometown. )

Perhaps the region you want to create still harbors long held distaste for the winners of that struggle and displeased with other parts of Imperial politics want to push for Free State status over anything else.

That's what I shall be moving at, I guess. A separatist City-State with a particular region attached to it, which wants independence.  :smile2:

I am most grateful for your contribution to the discussion, guys! I've learned quite a lot about lesser known facts from Empire lore!  :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Drakenhof on March 13, 2018, 06:47:05 PM
Welcome on the forums! Very cool army and fluff, I also enjoy a lot this Empire politics dialogue :biggriin:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 13, 2018, 07:42:24 PM
Welcome on the forums! Very cool army and fluff, I also enjoy a lot this Empire politics dialogue :biggriin:

Thank you very much. )  :smile2:

That is the treasure of this forum: its members. ) What differs local community from many others is friendly atmosphere and lots of hobby knowledge and stuff you can explore. Not to mention that Brush and Palette section is a great source of inspiration! Hopefully my humble efforts at painting miniatures and terrain creation will be a valuable addition. )  :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 13, 2018, 07:44:29 PM
Come to think of it: the Empire has also some colonies (Neuland in Albion, Sudenburg in Araby, El-Kalabad in Khemri and Port Heldenhammer in Lustria), which an over-ambitious governor might try set up as his own realm.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 14, 2018, 08:09:40 AM
Come to think of it: the Empire has also some colonies (Neuland in Albion, Sudenburg in Araby, El-Kalabad in Khemri and Port Heldenhammer in Lustria), which an over-ambitious governor might try set up as his own realm.

Great idea, actually! I hoped to make Estalian colony army one day though. Last summer I finished my Lizardmen army and now they do not really have any foe to fight in Lusria. )  :smile2:

But who said I couldn't have two colonies there?
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Rowsdower on March 15, 2018, 01:01:19 PM
Hmmm Would these colonies have...well... colonial troops? I.E Lizardmen auxiliaries?
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 15, 2018, 01:12:47 PM
Hmmm Would these colonies have...well... colonial troops? I.E Lizardmen auxiliaries?

Lizardmen don't work for another races. They can trade with them, tolerate them (to some degree), but they would never hire themselves to fight for the "warm bloods".
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Midaski on March 15, 2018, 01:25:25 PM
Not true!

Dogs of War

(http://www.solegends.com/citcat2004us/c2004usp0567-02.jpg)

Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Zak on March 15, 2018, 01:42:30 PM
BURN!! lol
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 15, 2018, 02:08:30 PM
Ahhh, I've been had. Altough I'm pretty sure that their lore stated that they're only fighting with/for other races, so they can grab some lost artifacts of the Old Ones. So, you know, they have an ulterior motive.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 15, 2018, 02:19:00 PM
They fight to get the Golden Plagues.  Other DoW have an ulterior motive too: they fight to get golden coins.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Padre on March 15, 2018, 02:36:22 PM
They fight to get the Golden Plagues.  Other DoW have an ulterior motive too: they fight to get golden coins.
I've heard of the Black Plague (or the Great Plague known as the Black Death) but not of the 'Golden Plague'. Is it like yellow fever, but shinier?
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 15, 2018, 02:49:56 PM
They fight to get the Golden Plagues.  Other DoW have an ulterior motive too: they fight to get golden coins.
I've heard of the Black Plague (or the Great Plague known as the Black Death) but not of the 'Golden Plague'. Is it like yellow fever, but shinier?

Maybe it's the piss-plague from the "Thousand Thrones Campaign" for WFRP 2nd edition. Where you had to take a leak, but was unable to do so. You literally drowned in your own wee.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 15, 2018, 03:05:48 PM
Obvioulsy a spilling misstake.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 15, 2018, 03:07:15 PM
More like a pisstake. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Padre on March 15, 2018, 03:31:36 PM
Obvioulsy a spilling misstake.
Of corse! I mysself never moke them. That's way I didn't reallise.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Konrad von Richtmark on March 15, 2018, 03:39:06 PM
As you have grammar nazied, you shall be grammar nazied. He who grammar nazieth his brother shalt himself not escape the fires of the crematorium. Grammatik macht frei.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 15, 2018, 04:20:29 PM
Spelling is not grammar, however.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Padre on March 15, 2018, 04:29:08 PM
Spelling is not grammar, however.

Are you trying to say spelunking is not for grandmas?
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 15, 2018, 06:27:06 PM
Ooh! That escalated quickly! Like separatist movements usually do! Excellent!  :-P
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Rowsdower on March 16, 2018, 03:06:06 AM
There was an alliance adaption chart in a white dwarf maybe ten years ago or so. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
It showed which races could team up if necessary. There was a similar one in the back of the first 40k Apocalypse book. It did state that Lizard men and Tomb kings could ally with Empire and Bretoninans on very rare occasions. I'm guessing the average Empire draftee probably wouldn't like the idea of closing ranks beside a rotting mummy and giant lizard
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 16, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
All these jokes about revolting things attracted none other than flagellants!  :ph34r:

Some of the crazed zealots who joined the secessionists shout that the Emperor is a secret chaos cultist, some that they have moved in time beyond the apocalypse (whatever that might mean). Torn pages on their banners though are not from sigmarite sacred books, but are actually pages from medical books on how to treat different illnesses of body and soul. I've heard some time ago there was a breakout from local Shallaya Asylum. A coincidence, perhaps?  :mellow:

(https://i.imgur.com/MFMS8Py.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fCHts7n.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Qh6xBhD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vUtLfbU.jpg)


A small preview of the next regiment. Just look at the face of the guy in the center! That's a proper determination to kill some filthy arrogant Reiklanders!  :-P

(https://i.imgur.com/EhxZMmJ.jpg)

Comments are welcome as usual!  :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: hamster on March 16, 2018, 07:46:26 PM
stop writing my next campaign for me
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Rowsdower on March 17, 2018, 01:36:44 AM
Great job
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 17, 2018, 07:08:18 AM
stop writing my next campaign for me

I am afraid that is impossible.  :-P
The flagellants are on the loose, secessionist movement is growing with every new painted converted warrior! Reikland will fall! :Ohmy:

Great job

Thank you very much!  :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 18, 2018, 12:42:35 PM
And finally another batch of miniatures. More separatists flock to my army!  :smile2:

Secessionist Halberdiers Regiment

(https://i.imgur.com/v7qQror.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NEMYfCp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UXwuloj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QFgHiu6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vMiHhdQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wJkheBN.jpg)

Any comments, please? )  :blush:

 
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: hamster on March 18, 2018, 05:14:18 PM
may sigmar save the empire if this is what's going to be fighting them, the level of detail on these are amazing
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 20, 2018, 02:09:42 PM
Some worthy adversaries for our glorious Emperor to fight! Now fetch me a few cannons and that nice looking Aqshy Magister... ::heretic::
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 21, 2018, 06:45:08 PM
may sigmar save the empire if this is what's going to be fighting them, the level of detail on these are amazing

Thank you very much!  :blush: They, however, are absolutely sure that Sigmar is on their side!  :smile2:

Some worthy adversaries for our glorious Emperor to fight! Now fetch me a few cannons and that nice looking Aqshy Magister... ::heretic::

No cannons or magisters will save you from what's coming soon!  :-P
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 23, 2018, 02:12:37 PM
Faith and gunpowder, as Magnus the Pious used to say, are what makes the Empire great! :biggriin:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 25, 2018, 06:15:19 AM
Faith and gunpowder, as Magnus the Pious used to say, are what makes the Empire great! :biggriin:

Steel, faith and gunpowder!  :smile2:

And we have plenty of that coming. There is no shortage of those who are willing to take their steel swords and show these snobbish Reiklanders their place!  :-P


Secessionists Swordsmen Regiment

(https://i.imgur.com/Cal307h.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/B315fm1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2pgXO3b.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aZsi3Xw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/t2YDkRv.jpg)

Comments are welcome, as always!  :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: hamster on March 25, 2018, 07:48:25 PM
how about this sir, I trade you my first and 3rd born and you give me your army fair deal?
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Artobans Ghost on March 25, 2018, 08:43:53 PM
how about this sir, I trade you my first and 3rd born and you give me your army fair deal?

😺👆 Second born are always the best! 🍅
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 25, 2018, 10:05:57 PM
Which would make him a secondcessionist.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 26, 2018, 10:52:20 AM
how about this sir, I trade you my first and 3rd born and you give me your army fair deal?

I agree. As long as they are not hamsters.


 Second born are always the best!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj_5qjiPFmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj_5qjiPFmY)

Thanks to Batman, the time has come
To punish all God's children...
First, second, third and fourth-born!
Why be biased? Male and female...
Hell, the sexes are equal with their erogenous zones blown sky-high!


Yes, we Penguins are like that. )

Which would make him a secondcessionist.

Secession movement within a secessioon movement? Love that!  :-P
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Artobans Ghost on March 26, 2018, 11:14:41 AM
how about this sir, I trade you my first and 3rd born and you give me your army fair deal?

I agree. As long as they are not hamsters.


 Second born are always the best!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj_5qjiPFmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj_5qjiPFmY)

Thanks to Batman, the time has come
To punish all God's children...
First, second, third and fourth-born!
Why be biased? Male and female...
Hell, the sexes are equal with their erogenous zones blown sky-high!


Yes, we Penguins are like that. )
Quote


Brilliant! I tell you, brilliant 😸
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 26, 2018, 01:52:31 PM
Brilliant! I tell you, brilliant 😸

Yes, we Penguins are like that. )
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 30, 2018, 03:47:07 PM
Time for another update!  :smile2:

More Secessionists! More People flock to the cause! Now 80+ figures painted.  :-P

(https://i.imgur.com/VxoN8ZH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SsnLOWD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UzZxoir.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7XCmT6j.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/t6OYWG5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aSm5zJG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/akOJERv.jpg)

Any comments, please? ) :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on March 30, 2018, 04:09:22 PM
You may paint mine too.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 31, 2018, 01:30:36 PM
Holy crap, these traitors look soooo good. :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 31, 2018, 05:38:16 PM
You may paint mine too.
Holy crap, these traitors look soooo good. :blush:

Wanna join while I'm painting Fidelis' figure? ) *nasty smiley*
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 31, 2018, 05:40:44 PM
Loyalty is its own reward. ;)
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Konrad von Richtmark on March 31, 2018, 07:51:50 PM
Have you considered increasing the colour depth of the clothes, particularly by making the slashes darker? They look a bit bland in such flat colours at the moment. The detail on the faces show that you can do highlighting if you decide to.

A simple and straightforward technique I've used for the job is to do the entire cloth area in a darker wash, then re-highlight everything except slashes and other cracks and recesses with the original colour. Here's a showcase of what such a simple method can achieve:

(https://i.imgur.com/Z0G6omR.jpg)

In the case of this handgunner (just like pretty much everyone else wearing puff and slash in my army), the darker wash was Nuln Oil, leading to a rather sharp contrast between the slashes and the cloth, I like the result but not everyone does. A softer variant of the same concept would be to use something like a grey wash, or maybe a darker blue for the blue cloth areas.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on March 31, 2018, 08:46:25 PM
Loyalty is its own reward. ;)

Loyalty! Bah! Loyalty to Reikland and its corrupt rulers?  What good did it do for those poor souls who fought in Franz's endless campaigns? Only to be robbed later by the parasites in his court or local barons? Join the secessionist movement and never be hungry again! Sigmar is on our side!  :ph34r:

Have you considered increasing the colour depth of the clothes, particularly by making the slashes darker? They look a bit bland in such flat colours at the moment. The detail on the faces show that you can do highlighting if you decide to.

I thought that this might be brought up one day. Well, initially I did that. But these black lines look too unrealistic and cartoony even to me. No offense, it's just me.  :blush:

However I should definitely try some other washes. I still have a lot to complete, so plenty of time and figures to experiment on! Thank you for your suggestions! I really appreciate it! And great work with that handgunner!  :smile2:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on March 31, 2018, 09:29:04 PM
Sigmar preaches strength through unity, obedience and loyalty. Your rabble are not fit to call upon His holy name! :-P

That said, your army's color scheme is bloody sweet! I can't stop myself from looking at them. :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on April 03, 2018, 05:32:25 PM
Sigmar preaches strength through unity, obedience and loyalty. Your rabble are not fit to call upon His holy name! :-P

That said, your army's color scheme is bloody sweet! I can't stop myself from looking at them. :blush:

I still have some spare grey-blue tights and puffy jackets. Perhaps, you would still like to join us? )  :-P
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on April 03, 2018, 10:12:27 PM
Sigmar preaches strength through unity, obedience and loyalty. Your rabble are not fit to call upon His holy name! :-P

That said, your army's color scheme is bloody sweet! I can't stop myself from looking at them. :blush:

I still have some spare grey-blue tights and puffy jackets. Perhaps, you would still like to join us? )  :-P

Only to slit your traitorous throats in your sleep. Karl Franz Aeternum! ;)
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Artobans Ghost on April 03, 2018, 10:31:31 PM
I don’t think you would want this loyalist in your midst. He will definitely tip the cake table over or  worse 😸
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: GamesPoet on April 04, 2018, 01:00:21 AM
Averland!  For Emperor, and Averland!

 :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on April 04, 2018, 08:31:12 AM
Now, now - I would not do any such thing. Just utilise the ancient "Tilean Horse" technique of infiltrating the enemy camps. ;)

On a more serious note - I dig this army so much. Great colors, great atmosphere. :biggriin:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on April 04, 2018, 05:49:53 PM
Only to slit your traitorous throats in your sleep. Karl Franz Aeternum! ;)
I don’t think you would want this loyalist in your midst. He will definitely tip the cake table over or  worse 😸

"slit traitorous throats in your sleep"? Now, what else could I expect from the s.c. "loyalist"? Nobility and good manners have no place in the Empire, do they?

However, I am not offended.  And to show that I have no ill will, I shall put you in command, in charge even. Say, in front of the flagellants? These wonderful gentlemen will be most grateful if such a believer in Sigmar would lead them to battle! Pity that the last one turned out to be a heretic. He shouted "For the Emperor!" forgetting that the Emperor stole the crown from most noble Boris Todbringer and is actually a chaos worshiper.  :smile2:

Averland!  For Emperor, and Averland!

Oh, didn't the Emperor let your Count die? He could've saved him, you know.  :smile2:

On a more serious note - I dig this army so much. Great colors, great atmosphere. :biggriin:

Thank you very much!  :blush: More will come soon!
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on April 06, 2018, 10:55:48 AM
Todbringer is a confirmed furry. Now our Karl Franz - that's the real manly man. Worshipping a half naked dude with a huge hammer. That requires balls.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on April 08, 2018, 03:07:16 PM
And another batch is here.
Handguns are quite rare in the Empire and the Secessionists mostly rely on spoils of war or on those who join the army and already have a pistol or a handgun. So those less fortunate use crossbows that can be bought in and/or produced in bigger quantities.  :smile2:

Secessionist Crossbowmen

(https://i.imgur.com/oL2fgsE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EhVTJfp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6kRKZjj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1coiwBA.jpg)


A pike is a very common and popular weapon among the Secessionists. Not as disciplined as heavy pikemen, or as as trained as halberdiers, still these warriors are quite a formidable force on the battlefield. Cavalry, beware!  :smile2:

(https://i.imgur.com/Qu5u4OZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bYFB6rp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ubSCphE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BB707HQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Wjp5kMG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QGm8eec.jpg)

Comments and suggestions are welcome as always!   :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on April 14, 2018, 01:23:20 PM
Well, for some reason, nobody liked my new batch, apparently.  :unsure:

Perhaps I need to speak louder about my progress? And what is a better way than to use some artillery?  :smile2:

Empire Secessionists Cannons

(https://i.imgur.com/thEgWps.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JmC3utc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xiB8vIq.jpg)


Empire Secessionists Mortars

(https://i.imgur.com/dPq6M54.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wy9MFQo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VXEOUGU.jpg)


Empire Secessionists Pistoliers

(https://i.imgur.com/NfinKa8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eFm4IoQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oShEgEu.jpg)

What do I hear? Something big is approaching.....

Any comments, please? )  :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Artobans Ghost on April 14, 2018, 02:23:45 PM
Somehow missed the pikemen. What a gun line! I love the bases for theses guys. Is this for Kings of War type of play? And the pistoliers are great. Can’t wait to see this displayed like the IV hochland battalion.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Alex-bbr on April 14, 2018, 04:56:14 PM
Fantastic paintjob! And beautiful army schem, all this color together are great.

I'm also really pleased to see big infantry block : this is what wharammer is!

But... death to the traitors! :ph34r:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: GamesPoet on April 14, 2018, 04:56:58 PM
Across the board goodness here! :icon_biggrin: :icon_cool: :eusa_clap: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: hamster on April 14, 2018, 05:56:03 PM
artillery battery best.


now if you excuse me, I have some canons to purchase
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on April 16, 2018, 06:39:21 PM
Somehow missed the pikemen. What a gun line! I love the bases for theses guys. Is this for Kings of War type of play? And the pistoliers are great. Can’t wait to see this displayed like the IV hochland battalion.

Thank you.  :smile2: Yes, I play KoW and consider that system to be far superior to any other "classical" fantasy wargame.
Yes, well the parade is not far, really. I need to complete steam tanks, some cavalry and several characters, like generals, standard bearers and such...

Fantastic paintjob! And beautiful army schem, all this color together are great.

I'm also really pleased to see big infantry block : this is what wharammer is!

But... death to the traitors! :ph34r:

Thanks a lot!  :smile2: Indeed large blocks of infantry gives you a thrilling feel, doesn't it?

What?! What good did the s.c. Emperor ever did to you? Join us and together Altdorf will fall! 25% of the treasury is yours!  :icon_cool:

Across the board goodness here! :icon_biggrin: :icon_cool: :eusa_clap: :::cheers:::

Thank you very much indeed!  :blush:

now if you excuse me, I have some canons to purchase

Do tell me once you find where. I am cleaning off ebay for old artillery sets now. )


BTW,  I am thinking of starting a new Empire army. What should it be? Ostermark or Marienburg?  :?

Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Artobans Ghost on April 16, 2018, 08:33:34 PM
I would do an ostermark. The black and White would be great. I think I have a few halbediers in ostermark colours. The White is always a pain but you make it look easy.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on April 21, 2018, 04:15:00 PM
Thank you. I think I shall indeed go for Ostermark. I was thinking about black-purple-yellow colour scheme though. )

And today we have some big guns going our way!

Secessionists have no foundries of their own to produce complicated machinery or guns. But judging by how shiny and new these volley guns are it is apparent that thy are getting some support by rich neighboring provinces.  :closed-eyes:

Secessionist Helblaster Volley Gun

(https://i.imgur.com/t4JRjHL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hMzJLRm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WtFnhjR.jpg)


Unlike these insane flagellants who claim that the Emperor is a chaos cultist Secessionist tank engineers think that he is actually a kind, just and pure-hearted ruler. And that is all those counts, barons and other nobles who do not wish to show him of the sufferings of his people. They believe that with each shot, each fort taken for the secessionists they are closer to opening his eyes. When will these poor ignorant fools learn that Karl Franz in his vanity cares for nothing and nobody but his own glory and power?  :engel:

Empire Secessionist Steam Tanks

(https://i.imgur.com/jzLYtcH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2hBfXML.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qlDFyXt.jpg)

The army is almost complete! Any comments, please?  :blush:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: VonOttenheim on April 22, 2018, 06:55:38 AM
White is such a pain to paint (...and yellow..)  But you make it look good.
Great looking army.  :::cheers:::

....From one secessionist to another   :-P
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: GamesPoet on April 22, 2018, 11:37:15 AM
I would do an ostermark. The black and White would be great. I think I have a few halbediers in ostermark colours. The White is always a pain but you make it look easy.
Ostermark = yellow and purple.
Black & white = Ostland.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Artobans Ghost on April 22, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
I would do an ostermark. The black and White would be great. I think I have a few halbediers in ostermark colours. The White is always a pain but you make it look easy.
Ostermark = yellow and purple.
Black & white = Ostland.

Corrected and shamed appropriately 😺
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: GamesPoet on April 22, 2018, 11:52:54 AM
Nah, no shame necessary.  I've made plenty of mistakes in life.  Besides, it's easy to cross two Os in the brain.
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: The Penguin on April 22, 2018, 05:05:49 PM
White is such a pain to paint (...and yellow..)  But you make it look good.
Great looking army.  :::cheers:::

....From one secessionist to another   :-P

Thanks a lot! Yes, indeed. These colours are pain to use. :smile2:

Still I am playing with the idea of painting Solland army!  :-P

(http://i.imgur.com/AhxaCnL.jpg)

Ostermark = yellow and purple.
Black & white = Ostland.

Well, strictly speaking Ostermark can have black and white colours as well.  :smile2:

(http://i.imgur.com/ye78ADI.jpg)

More secessionists coming this way!  :smile2:
Title: Re: Empire Secessionists Army
Post by: Xathrodox86 on April 25, 2018, 01:38:05 PM
You should!

Also you should remain loyal, but that's something beyond a shadow of a doubt. :-P