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The Empire at War ... The Gamers Guild => WHFB The Electors' Forum => Topic started by: scrubber on March 22, 2015, 11:37:49 PM
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How Do,
Just returned to warhammer after very long break. My son [25] said had I seen or read any of the END TIMES books as they seemed to be the storm of chaos. That was the last time we really seriously played the game. Now hooked again, having spent more on books than I did on sons medical books.
So the WIP is the untold stories of the fall of Altdorf, but whilst the purchase of building material continues, could any of you help with questions.
First up can you direct me in the direction of a pitcure of Emperor Wilhelm III banner.
Second, who was the First Granmaster of the Reiksguard ?
More stupid questions to follow I'm sure.
TTFN.
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You, sir, had me far too excited- at first. But then I saw you were not, in fact, our Lord and Savior TVI. Please refrain from claiming this title again. As far as the rest, welcome to the forums and I can't be much help. But I can tell you that you may want to consider the name END TIMES. Very carefully. And literally. Before getting to soaked into new projects.
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TVI gave up because 8th ed was no longer 7th ed and the MSU tactics for Empire don't work the same anymore. When he wasn't cool any longer he just gave up instead of adapting. Typical.
As for the OP's question, there is no picture of Wilhelm III banner. I would assume it would be the same as Reikland's banner
No idea on the first Reiksmarshal.
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I don't know of any Wilhelm III banner, any Reikland one would probably do.
As for the first grandmaster of the Reiksguard, then it depends on which version of their 'origin' you want to use.
I've seen their descriptions say it's by the current Emperor Karl-Franz
And in another description by his ancestor Wilhelm III
At some point in time it was apparently by Magnus the Pious
Recently in the Time of Legends for Mandred, it implied they sort of had origins going a thousand years and more, but not under the same name
So it's either someone not mentioned that I can recall, or Kurth Helborg, in which case he's the first and last Grandmaster
But I think most sources say it was Wilhelm III, so I'd go with that, so you could make your own name up for it
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I have asked and researched the same question for my History of the Empire as Depicted in the Art of the Time (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=47520.0), which currently covers the early years of Wilhelm III. Without doubt, Wilhelm III founded the Reiksguard, and, following historical examples of secular Knightly Orders, the founding monarch should also be the first Grandmaster. Note that Kurt Helborg in the official Army Books and WFRP is never referred to as Grandmaster, but as Captain of the Reiksguard. GW's website names him Grand Marshall of the Reiksguard.
In accordance with the historical examples, I would suggest that the ruling monarch is the Grandmaster, but the actual day-to-day commander is the Captain of the Reiksguard.
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Is Grand Marshall of the Empire a newer title than Reiksmarshall, which is what his old title was? Presumably they changed it because of it's similarity to Reichsmarshall
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Reikmarshall and Captain of the Reiksguard are two different functions, although it seems that the Reiksmarshall is ipso facto Captain of the Reiksguard (or vice versa). Why the website switched to Grand Marshall is unclear, but the website often gets things wrong. Perhaps it is in accordance with what the ET call him?? But that is a pile of potent fertiliser anyway.
Edit 1: The title Grand Marshal seems to be from the Black Library novels.
Edit 2: Not to be found with the description of Kurt Helborg, but as a remark with the fluff for Knightly Orders, the 6th/7th edition AB do in fact mention that "Their Grand Master is the Reiksmarshall of the Empire, commander of all the Empire forces." As it turns out, I even had that in my notes, but had completely forgotten about it. Personally, I still prefer to follow the historical precedent, as the loyalty of the knights is first to the Grand Master, and one of the main reasons monarchs founded such orders was as a means of political control.
Edit 3: An way around this could be to adopt the nomenclature of some (English) orders, where the head is called the Sovereign, and any Grand Master (if present) comes second. For instance, in the (fairly recent) Order of the Bath, Queen Elisabeth is the Sovereign, and Prince Charles the Great Master.
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Recently in the Time of Legends for Mandred, it implied they sort of had origins going a thousand years and more, but not under the same name
It is not really a direct implication it is more along the lines that for a greater part of Imperial history most great states have had a secular order to which swore fealty to the provincial liege, Saddlebacks of Wissenland per Runefang at around the turn of the second millennium or the Red Talons of Talabecland who have gone through several names but are the chief bodyguard in the era of Sigmar and the Order protecting the Elector currently per Riders of the Dead. The Reikland has had several orders tasked with such and name changes following scandals and other issues over the years, Reiksknecht at the time of Emperor Boris (per Wolf of Sigmar books) or the Reikland Guard during the Wars of the Vampire Counts (per Empire at War). But this is not to say these are the same orders, spiritual successors of one another perhaps, but each orders rules and mandates where most likely quite different.
Reiksmarshall is again an ancient title given to the chief military adviser to Reikland Count, often used when the Reikland Count was Emperor to apply to the similar position at the Imperial level of government. Fidelis's statements on the Reiksmarshall as head of the Reiksguard are correct though I am sympathetic to the historical cross over interpretation. The Reiksmarshall I think is probably more the Grand Master of the Order in the sense that this power is delegated from the Emperor/Reikland Count rather than being the true construction of the Order.
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If I recall the game Warhammer: Mark of Chaos had a character that was the head of the Reiks... something. I forgot their full name, but they were clearly the forerunner for the Reiksguard (the video game took place during Magnus the Pious).
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Reiksmarshall Wolfgang Trenkenhoff, commander of the Reiklandguard (later called Reikswacht/guard). However, as far as I can see, the game/novel Mark of Chaos is the only source of this.
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Reiksmarshall Wolfgang Trenkenhoff, commander of the Reiklandguard (later called Reikswacht/guard). However, as far as I can see, the game/novel Mark of Chaos is the only source of this.
True but I seem to recall the Reiksguard being formed by Wilhelm III. It would make sense that the Reiksguard started out as a Reikland only outfit before being promoted to a unit strictly loyal to the Emperor regardless of which province he came from.
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Without doubt, Wilhelm III founded the Reiksguard
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I'm still mad that I spent $50 on that piece of garbage game. Great opening scene -- though they still screwed that up with an audio/dialogue error.
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It was not that bad; but, of course, I only spent 7,50 Euro on it.
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On a side note: there does not need to be a link between Reikland and Reiksmarshall. The German version has river Reik and Reikland, but Reichsmarschall andReichsgarde. Perhaps it is only a homonym in Reikspiel, and Reik also means Reich - as, indeed, might be indicated by the very name of Reikspiel.
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Good Evening.
ThAnkyou for all your replies.
HoS, not what I expected in response to my first posting. Had your been the only reply, I would not have bothered posting again. Scrubber has been a nickname since the very early 70's when I was in my mid teens, then with the help of Talben 21, I realized it's the village idiot you object to. Freshman here, not aware of the past. May I suggest some sort of personal shrine, that you can make iblations to this persona you hold as a deity. Rant over. Calm now.
Herr von Sigmaringen, you Sir should be the official Protector of Library's and Keeper of Books. Thankyou for connecting me to your other works.
Back to the question, love the name Wolfgang Trenkenhoff, but was he not connected with Magnus the Pious, before Wilhelm time. In the offical GW books of the Empire, it always says Wilhelm III was the founder of the Reiksguard as seen today. However still loving that name, so may have to adapt a mausoleum in the compound.
On page 59, Uniforms and Heraldry of the Empire, quote " The duties of the newly knighted are given by the Reiksmarshal, the Grand Master of the Order". Also who is this Captain Hans Zintler of the Reiksguard, who in my recogning has died three different ways in End Times.
Thankyou again and sorry about the rant, needed to get it off my chest.
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Good Evening.
ThAnkyou for all your replies.
HoS, not what I expected in response to my first posting. Had your been the only reply, I would not have bothered posting again. Scrubber has been a nickname since the very early 70's when I was in my mid teens, then with the help of Talben 21, I realized it's the village idiot you object to. Freshman here, not aware of the past. May I suggest some sort of personal shrine, that you can make iblations to this persona you hold as a deity. Rant over. Calm now.
Herr von Sigmaringen, you Sir should be the official Protector of Library's and Keeper of Books. Thankyou for connecting me to your other works.
Back to the question, love the name Wolfgang Trenkenhoff, but was he not connected with Magnus the Pious, before Wilhelm time. In the offical GW books of the Empire, it always says Wilhelm III was the founder of the Reiksguard as seen today. However still loving that name, so may have to adapt a mausoleum in the compound.
On page 59, Uniforms and Heraldry of the Empire, quote " The duties of the newly knighted are given by the Reiksmarshal, the Grand Master of the Order". Also who is this Captain Hans Zintler of the Reiksguard, who in my recogning has died three different ways in End Times.
Thankyou again and sorry about the rant, needed to get it off my chest.
The Reiksguard was founded by Wilhelm III, but Warhammer Mark of Chaos makes it seem as if Reikland had a Reiklanderguard unit with the same general look to it. This would explain that it was a mulitary outfit hundreds of years old that then became the Reiksguard.
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Next question. LOOKING FOR A DRUMMER BOY.
Never liked the way young Bert was killed in "The Butchers Beast". So in End-Time it seems most things can change, so I'm bringing him back to join Brothers Talhoffer and Otto.
Thing is I can't find a figure. Seen nice conversion from LOR farmer Maggot, be not available at a sensible price.
Suggestion please.
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http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/en/catalog/88
(http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/sites/default/files/pub/shop/IMP008_mr_1_05.jpg)
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Good Evening.
ThAnkyou for all your replies.
HoS, not what I expected in response to my first posting. Had your been the only reply, I would not have bothered posting again. Scrubber has been a nickname since the very early 70's when I was in my mid teens, then with the help of Talben 21, I realized it's the village idiot you object to. Freshman here, not aware of the past.
I literally called him my lord and savior. If you took anything I said after that seriously than we should not interact again, you are correct.
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Commander, how did I miss that, very nice. Think mum needs a trip out to Elemental Games this weekend. [nothing cryptic I look after my 97 year old mother.]
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Well done! :-)
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It has been indicated in at least one book (army book or the like) that the institution which became the Reiksguard was founded by Magnus as the Reiklandguard, and later reformed as the Reiksguard by Wilhelm. The validity of that is now dubious.
The Black Plague novels feature a much older knightly order called (iirc) the Reiksknecht who fulfil a similar function with some minor differences. Apparently in an earlier draft these were actually titled the Reiksguard and this error can be seen in one of the associated short stories (Plague Doctor, I think it's called). I believe there was some editorial disagreement over what the order should be called (hence why an early edition features the modern order name) and also the Reiklandguard issue, although don't know the details.
"Reiksmarshall" is an ancient title going back to Sigmar, although may not have been continually in use. It very possibly has the same root word as "Reiksguard" but otherwise appears unrelated, even if since Wilhelm III the convention has been to appoint the Reiksguard captain as Reiksmarshall. I'm not sure if that actually is the convention though or has just been Helborg: whether a pre-Helborg captain is also Reiksmarshall probably depends as much on the imagination of the writer/editor in question as anything.
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Another question concerning Knightly Orders.
Are the knights of the inner circle considered the bodyguard/personal unit of the Grand Master?
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Swartzhelm's flag as shown on Page 41 of the original empire army book, think also referred to as Empire 4th addition army list. Ta very much.
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As far as I know, the Knights of the Inner Circle as never described as the bodyguard of the Grand Master, but it is quite conceivable that they (also) function as the GM's bodyguard.
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I personally always thought of them as officers and the Grand Masters inner circle. Trusted veterans who'd often be put in charge of chapter houses, or the current GM's friends depending on the group itself.
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Has anyone tried putting a bulge in the GW castle wall :icon_question:
Tried boiling water and steam from kettle neither made the plastic pliable enough to push outward.
In the end out came the old heatgun. So melting from the back, the castle wall has bulged nicely, but here a tip from Uncle Scrubber boys and girls DO NOT push melted plastic with your thumb or finger. Gosh it did hurt. Now have thumb without fingerprint.
To get the wall caving inward still heat from the back to soften plastic then push from front of wall. First going to tool box for large wooden headed screwdriver to do the pushing. Wood better than plastic handle as melted plastic does not stick so much.
Do not melt to much as you will loose the stone pattern on the otherside or melt right through. Better to do it little by little.
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Finally made a start on the Reiksguard Chapter House. Starting with the outwalls, however when it comes to the corner not sure what to do.
Richard Williams book says that it a fortress of its own, surrounded by dwelling below the height of the walls. So should there be towers at each corner or should I do them as shown in the picture below. :icon_question:
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p699/BrianDavies58/wargaming/End%20Times/c31970c1-4122-4903-b4a7-23020148b062_zpsofet2qjq.jpg)
Will fill in the corner with greenstuff.
This Chapter house also does not appear on any map I have seen of Altdorf, but Delmar enters the capital via the western gate.
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Looking for helmets with skull face masks, like those worn by roman cavalry or in Gladiator, the silver face mask from the fight scene in the arena with the tigers involved. Only need five. Any suggestions.
Edited 18th October 2015.
In the end went for horned helmet from demigryph set.
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Looking for helmets with skull face masks, like those worn by roman cavalry or in Gladiator, the silver face mask from the fight scene in the arena with the tigers involved. Only need five. Any suggestions.
So we are talking the faux face style helm ala historical types or the Warhammer style skull masks of the Ostermark Death's Head types?
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Thinking of making a small unit of Knights of Sacred Scyths. Not sure yet whether they will fight with the empire, or have been turned as hinted in their history and have them fight along side Vlad army.
Don't really mind the style so long as they will look OK on GW empire knights.
Also if I gave knights a great weapon instead of lance, what arms are recommended ? The greatsword arms just dont look right, to puny to the larger knight torso.
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The armoured greatsword arms don't look to bad.
The ones from the old mordheim 'hairy head' sprue?
Chaos warrior arms (if you take the over the top shoulder pads off)?
Plastic dwarf hammerers?
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I want to add arrow slots to some of the GW fortress towers, however having difficulty finding anyone who makes them. Found some on hordings but they are not what I'm after. Can anyone help.Pleaseeeee.
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I'd probably have a tower at each corner of the Reiksguard Chapter House.
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Clearing boxes today and came across 4 of these.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p699/BrianDavies58/b1e845ca-a81b-4ffa-a6ca-179f0eb56024_zps7p6mzfmn.jpg)
Does anyone recognise these figures and can help me identify them :icon_question:
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I'd have to look them up to know for sure, but it looks like it's from the old Slann army. Would mid 80s make sense to you?
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Hmmm ... hadn"t seen one of those before. :icon_cool:
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I was playing warhammer back then and that looks unlike anything citadel did - I had slann cold one riders and they were nothing like that.
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A Grenadier miniature maybe .. or Ral Partha. Based on the quality, I'd say it's from the early 80s.
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Likely to be very early 80's, that's when I was heavily into dungeons & dragons not warhammer.
The rider reminds me of old citadel D&D lizard walking with a spear.
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Ja, the rider was what made me think it might be from the slann, I've got that lizard with spear sitting in a box.
But Grenadier also makes a lot of sense, we mixed a lot of those into our warhammer stuff because the store we could get to occasionally stocked more of their stuff than they did citadel.
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It bears a passing resemblance to a very early Citadel Salaman on Giant Strider, but it's actually an Asgard Minatures Lizardman on Land dragon (code FM64). Four of them together is a nice find!
Like the similar Citadel model, the design is certainly influenced by the AD&D monster Fire Newts (or was it Firenewts? ) which were smaller red skinned fire-breathing lizardmen, basically. The Giant Strider, which could spit fireballs, was their favoured mount. Probably why you painted yours red! The early Fantasy miniatures industry was very much entwined with the rise of (A)D&D (and other RPGs) - Citadel Miniatures started in 1979, Warhammer first appeared in 1983 and the distinctive background fluff comes even later.
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Thankyou Shadespyre, a man of much knowledge. Here's photograph of the whole content of the tin.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p699/BrianDavies58/hjh%20002_zpskgiu1g6t.jpg)
Most now on e-bay apart from the Lizards on land dragon and the red dragon. Not sure what to do with then yet.
There is another tin yet, looked to be orcs and little goblins. And found one of my very old teddy bears, not much fur left, but he was loved.
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Keeping the lizards on lizards is good! :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
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I've not seen one of those dark elf eagle riders in a long long time. Some nice stuff you had there.
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Not done much on the Altdorf project, but did start digging out my building to make up the city. Oh how few I have.
Looked at Ziterdes last night, anyone got any of their building, do they fit in scale wise with warhammer figures. Also so need a nice tavern, any suggestion, no silly money like Grand Manor though please.
I also need a nice bear for the Ice Queen to ride. Again any suggestions.
Edited 19th October 2015.
From cave bear attacking from DeeZee miniatures. Figure sits fairly well, but needs greenstuff to hide the gaps.
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Without owning any myself, I think the Ziterde terrain is specifically made for 28mm, and should fit quite well.
You can see some scale comparisons here (http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=55765) and here (http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=35022).
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Reaper makes some decent bears for really cheap. I'm not sure how the ice queen will fit on them though. She fits really nicely on the old elf animal hander bear though. The pose is a bit liner, and it can sometimes be hard to find though.
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What happened to Emil Valgeir Ar-Ulric as he does not appear in end-times ?
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If I am not mistaken, he is mentioned in End Times: Nagash. But in any case, as the Warhammer World is destroyed, it is rather clear what ultimately happened to him.
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If I am not mistaken, he is mentioned in End Times: Nagash. But in any case, as the Warhammer World is destroyed, it is rather clear what ultimately happened to him.
He is. And like many characters he just sort of disappears without another mention.
Unlike others who get turned into vampires, become a goddess, and then get their head chopped off because they don't want to be a vampire. The End times was very clearly a rushed project that lacked effective editorial control and oversight.
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It's possible he could have been in Middenheim at the time of it's fall.
Next, did the Imperial Dragon that was in the Altdorf zoo have a name ?
All will become clear later. I hope.
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Here is one we prapred earlier: http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=48327.0
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It is implied the Ar-Ulric is dead, imitated and replaced by the Changeling.
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Thanks for that Fidelis. Poor Mr Dragon, but since he has no history, that makes it even better. :icon_idea: And is the Warhammer world really dead. :icon_wink:
Mr Dragon, in my humble opinion has to be Red then, because he breathed fire to save Gregor Martek from the beastmen.
Question for all the collector's out there. I want a nice big dragon, if possible larger than the Imrik one.
Cannot afford the GW Imperial collector Dragon. Any suggestions.
Sig, where is that hinted, something I've missed.
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The changeling is in Nagash.
As far as big dragons go, I'd check out reapermini.com they've got some big ones. The last bones kickstarter had one that was absolutely massive.
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I forget the actual passages but as knightofhelance says, it's in Nagash. It is the Changeling as Ar-Ulric who leads Balthasar Gelt to reveal himself as a Necromancer in front of the Emperor, as "Ar-Ulric" convinces him Valten is going to assassinate Karl Franz and he summons undead to intervene, or something like that. I don't remember if the bits that are from the Changeling's point of view (I think there were some) are explicit about killing Valgeir, but I remember that it's implied.
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Thanks for that Fidelis. Poor Mr Dragon, but since he has no history, that makes it even better. :icon_idea: And is the Warhammer world really dead. :icon_wink:
Mr Dragon, in my humble opinion has to be Red then, because he breathed fire to save Gregor Martek from the beastmen.
Question for all the collector's out there. I want a nice big dragon, if possible larger than the Imrik one.
Cannot afford the GW Imperial collector Dragon. Any suggestions.
Sig, where is that hinted, something I've missed.
What GW Imperial Collector Dragon is there?
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Games workshop/Citadel Imperial Dragon.
http://www.solegends.com/citdragon/thedragon/index.htm
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I did wonder if you meant that one. On the rare occasion it does pop up on that well know internet auction site, it goes for over a £1000, so can understand why can't afford it.
The Smaug from GW tend to get done in small batches, and I'd £295, so still expensive whenever it is stock on the website, but that is a huge model. Most of the Forgeworld dragons are OOP, But the Magma Dragon and Carmine Dragon are quite a bit bigger than Until
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If you want to go big, you can try to hunt down the CMON dragon (https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/cang.html). I'm not a great fan, but a lot of people seem to love it.
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Makes me think of a fish with arms somehow.
Someone once said that at some point you may as well buy a "goth" dragon statuette from a smoke shop once you get to a certain size of dragon. We're hitting 'peak dragon' with that CMON one.
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Makes me think of a fish with arms somehow.
That's a good way to put it.
My favorite dragon model by far is indeed the Carmine Dragon from Forgeworld. I really like that one. The GW Dark Elf dragon is also good, though the head is too large.
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Bad thing having some time to myself. Been digging in boxes again.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p699/BrianDavies58/heg20024_zps8kyj8ylh.jpg)
Can anyone identify the stone thrower/lobbers of some kind. Also is the dwarf on the right one of the early varients of the "White Dwarf" :icon_question:
Also if anyone interested I will be putting some very old dwarf citedal/grenadier figures on e-bay tonight.
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That's an old, 3rd at most Goblin stonethrower. I think it was called the Man-Mangler, but I could be wrong.
Can't tell with that dwarf, photo isn't clear enough, but it's not like any version of the White Dwarf minis I have, and I have most of the early ones. It's got a solid base rather than slotta, so it's old if it's GW. I have a solid based WD mini that came with an adventurers set, and it's not that one.
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Ooh, and it's a ROUND solid base. When - if ever - did wfb use round bases?
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Ooh, and it's a ROUND solid base. When - if ever - did wfb use round bases?
In the 80s, before the invention of the slota base.
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Ooh, and it's a ROUND solid base. When - if ever - did wfb use round bases?
WFB never used round bases, but that sort of base was common on miniatures 30 years ago, and would still have been stuck on a square piece of card or a tray to play the game.
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Sort of gives my age away as well. Some figures even late 70's. Happy days.
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It's also visible in your profile.
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Does anyone know where I can find a street map of Altdorf. Looking for west gate, barrack area and Imperial zoo. Want road names and prominent buildings. Thankyou in advance.
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Not sure if there is such a specific map that is in that much detail. Will have a look through what I have though, and then try and find where I got it from
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Ooh, and it's a ROUND solid base. When - if ever - did wfb use round bases?
WFB never used round bases, but that sort of base was common on miniatures 30 years ago, and would still have been stuck on a square piece of card or a tray to play the game.
Well, in theory. But I can tell you they just as often simply got lumped into a formation that got the point across.
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Does anyone know where I can find a street map of Altdorf. Looking for west gate, barrack area and Imperial zoo. Want road names and prominent buildings. Thankyou in advance.
More or less all the available maps can be found here: http://www.gitzmansgallery.com/warhammer-maps.html.
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Does anyone know where I can find a street map of Altdorf. Looking for west gate, barrack area and Imperial zoo. Want road names and prominent buildings. Thankyou in advance.
Biggest printed official map is from End Times Glottkin. Poster sized. But it is different in several places to anything previously official or unofficial. Almost like they deliberately changed it for the sake of it. Bull$hit reason if they did. And it's mainly for showing where the glottkin battles took place.
Online, look for a PDF by Magnus Seter, it doesn't have many street names though. There is an official map of the zoo, but I'm not sure which book it's from. By the style it's a 3rd ed book. I suspect it's The Enemy Within. Give me a while to dig through.
Other than that, there isn't much I can find, and I have many maps I've found over the years
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Here's one. Altdorf never got much detail in the RPG, for some reason.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f207/sparky_sparkfire/WFRP/altdorf3.jpg)
1: Imperial palace and the Volkshalle [I think the zoo is on the palace grounds]
2: Cathedral of Sigmar
3: Konigplatz
4: University of Altdorf
5: Colleges of Magic
6: docks
7: Hall of Records
8: Law Courts
9: Tempelgarten
10: Dwarf Engineers's Guild
11: Imperial College of Engineering
12: Mercantile district
13: Slums
i: Tempelstrasse
ii: The Street of a Hundred Taverns
iii: Volker Weg
iv: Luitpoldstrasse
a: Emperor Karl-Franz bridge
b: Three-Toll bridge
c: Old Emperor's bridge
d: Eastern bridge
e: Sigmar bridge
f: Mourner's bridge
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Does anyone know where I can find a street map of Altdorf. Looking for west gate, barrack area and Imperial zoo. Want road names and prominent buildings. Thankyou in advance.
Biggest printed official map is from End Times Glottkin. Poster sized. But it is different in several places to anything previously official or unofficial. Almost like they deliberately changed it for the sake of it. Bull$hit reason if they did. And it's mainly for showing where the glottkin battles took place.
Online, look for a PDF by Magnus Seter, it doesn't have many street names though. There is an official map of the zoo, but I'm not sure which book it's from. By the style it's a 3rd ed book. I suspect it's The Enemy Within. Give me a while to dig through.
Other than that, there isn't much I can find, and I have many maps I've found over the years
Spires of Altdorf had an excellent Altdorf map with many locations and a clean overwiev of the city.
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Spires of Altdorf had an excellent Altdorf map with many locations and a clean overwiev of the city.
I think that might be the one I just posted. It's the same as the 1st edition map, but in colour!
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Spires of Altdorf had an excellent Altdorf map with many locations and a clean overwiev of the city.
I think that might be the one I just posted. It's the same as the 1st edition map, but in colour!
So it's prolly the same, altough Spires were printed in black & white and had their legend printed on map itself.
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The SoA map (p.22) had its legend also below the map, but with fewer and different lemmata. The maps themselves are the same, though.
On a side note:
- Number 5 on Rufus's map is just the Jade College.
- Magnus Seter's map (with quite a number of street names, at least more than any other map) is among the high resolution maps of Gitzman's Gallery.
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Actually, I think I might have added the numbers/letters to the map I posted. I used it for my RPG.
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There is some information on the mad Alfred WFRP site reagrding Altdorf. Not sure how much of it is his own, and how much of it he pulled from GW and Black Library sources, but there's quite a bit, and seems to be worth taking a look at. The homepage has a key to Altdorf article, and an article on the history of Altdorf.
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Regarding Magnus Seter's map, it is worth mentioning that additional layers of information can be added, although it is often very difficult to see on page level (you have to zoom in).
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Thankyou for that conection FvS saved that some great maps there.
Again thanks for the map Rufus. Will use this as reference.
The Imperial Zoo should be to the south west of [2] Sigmar's Temple. Here is houses all the exotic animals the Emperor has collected including the dragon. However in EofT Glottkin and Fall of Altdoft, Martak gains entry to the Imperial Menagerie by descending a flight of stairs and what appears to be a short corridor before getting to the area where the griffins and dragon are kept.
Is this again GW moving things around or is there a secret passageway from the Imperial Palace to the Zoo.
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Old Sigmarite Proverb ...
Tell someone about secret passages, and they won't be secret anymore.
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The Imperial Menagerie is definitely part of the Imperial Palace itself, and the Altdorf map in fact locates it in the north-western complex.
Here (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php/topic,47520.msg857228.html#msg857228) are some contemporary drawings.
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What can I say Fidelis. OMG. That is an amazing peice of work.
Only said Zoo was to south west of Sigmars temple, as thats where it's shown in Glottkin map of Altdorf, but as you said it makes sense for the Menagerie to be attached to the Imperial palace so Emperor KF does not have to walk/rider any distance to get Deathclaw.
Perhaps their is a Zoo keeping less dangerous animals, as well as the Menagerie.
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Thank you.
And as you say, the Glottkin map has it to the SW of the Temple. I think it is safe to say, however, that there is only one Imperial Zoo/Menagerie. I have noticed several other discrepancies (regarding names and locations) between the Glottkin map and earlier maps (like Seter's). Of course, those maps may not be "official" as such, but did try to incorporate all the available information from various official sources, which often are unclear or even contradictory. Glottkin is official, but it is also known that GW often chooses to simply ignore earlier fluff.
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To give a couple of easy examples of discrepancies between the maps in Glottkin (G) and WFRP Spires of Altdorf (S).
Bright College: G northwestern part of the city; S eastern part
Celestial College: G northwestern part (near the the Bright College); S southwest of the Temple of Sigmar
Jade College: G northwestern part; S northeastern part.
Light College: G northwestern part (i.e. right bank of the Reik); S not on the map, but it specifies elsewhere that it "can be found on the left bank of the Reik."
Where G has "Arcane Towers", S locates the University of Altdorf (clearly not identical). G does not list the University at all.
Grey College: G northwestern part (between the Northwatch Citadel and the Bright College); S no references. However, Sigmar's Heirs describes the Grey College as "in Altdorf's poorest and most disreputable district. Even the city watch shun this area, and no honest citizen would ordinarily risk entering such a den of rogues."
As far as one can tell, the locations given by S fit better the descriptions as given in the Empire Army Books.
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Changing it like that really shows either ineptitude in checking their own sources, which given they can get the general layout right shows they can read when they want to, or it's a premeditated decision to make it different for the sake of it.
Either way, all the gloss doesn't do the fans any service whatsoever, and it therefore isn't the quality product it could have been.
It's a disappointment.
Sent from my thingamajig via wadyamacallit
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Après nous le déluge...
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Changing it like that really shows either ineptitude in checking their own sources, which given they can get the general layout right shows they can read when they want to, or it's a premeditated decision to make it different for the sake of it.
Either way, all the gloss doesn't do the fans any service whatsoever, and it therefore isn't the quality product it could have been.
It's a disappointment.
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They did not gave half a s****. So sad. :/
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I would go with Spires of Altdorf. :::cheers:::
Probably some plastic whipper snapper with no supervision was involved with "Glottkin", whatever that is. If I recall, isn't that something to do with the End of Times stuff?
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The only "good" thing one can say about the End of Times is that worse was still to come...
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:icon_lol:
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What about giving us a new Nagash model?
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That could have been provided with or without EoT or destroying the world.
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I could not have cared less, as I only play Empire. But that said, the new model was really a precursor: more 4K than WFB, too big and too expensive.
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From a technical perspective, that model is quite impressive. But overall it's still poor.
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Why is Nagash inhumanly big? is his spirit dwelling inside a Ushabti? Or did he belong a lean Ogre race?
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New Nagash model is still an improvement over the old Nagash model, but overall I liked Nagash best, when he was a looming threat, always on the horizion, instead of being a huge cannon magnet.
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I agree.
Why is Nagash inhumanly big? is his spirit dwelling inside a Ushabti? Or did he belong a lean Ogre race?
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He ate too much warpstone (really).
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Lost in the Empire. Where is Heldenhame Keep. Directions please.
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Heldenhame Keep , the Chapter house of the Order of Sigmar's Blood is described as the greatest fortress of Talabecland. However, in the End Times, it is located in Stirland, to the east of the capital Wurtbad, on the Sylvanian border.
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There never was great love between Talabecland and Stirland. So, during the turmoil of the ET, Stirland backstabbed Talabecland for the last time, taking the keep. :icon_razz:
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In that case, they did not just take the keep - they took it with them.
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Warhammer maps have always been a bit..malleable.
For a start Heldenhame I thought was new for the End Times, as was Heffengen and Alderfen, though that could just be my memory of every town mentioned in Sigmar's Heirs and so on not being that good. I've not set many WFRP adventures in that part of the Empire, so I never did learn the layout.
Averheim certainly went from big provincial town to one of the Great citiies of the Empire. And not just because the othere were all destroyed, they made it out like it was always one of them.
Delberz has moved all over Middenland from near the Talabec, to near Middenheim, and anywhere in between.
Herzig became Hergig
The Reik in most instances from Altdorf to Marienburg is sailable by the navy's biggest ships including seagoing ships. Then in The End Times Glottkin - particulary the Fall of Altdorf novel there is a massive waterfall at Carroburg.
I guess it won't be a problem with the Mortal Realms
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Malleable? Indeed, but in the sense that such outrages deserve the Malleus Maleficarum. I think, we have already established that the writers of the End Times did not bother about even a pretence of fluff consistency.
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No wonder I'm lost if it's in 2 regions at the same time. It does not appear on any of Gitzmans maps, and as pointed out ET map does not make sense and not to any scale either. Mr Reynolds in the return of Nagash calls it Heldenhame Keep, Talabecland. Wikki says its a large vibrent town thanks to the wealth of the Knights of Sigmars Blood. In ET some of the defenders are said to be from Talabheim and Talabeclanders.
Anyone care to play God or stick a pin in a map and glue this place to one spot.
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Malleable? Indeed, but in the sense that such outrages deserve the Malleus Maleficarum. I think, we have already established that the writers of the End Times did not bother about even a pretence of fluff consistency.
The writer. The You-Know-Who. And no, they did not. They've just flushed the fluff down the toilet, after wiping their asses with it.
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Unfortunately, that probably gave them a clean and satisfied feeling, precisely because it was so fluffy. That said, I am told that even the fluffiest material can "do everything from irritate your privates to actually cut you down there." There is always hope, I guess...
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You know, I have to spit some bile on the topic of Warhammer and it has nothing to do with the latest happenings in the world.
You know how Sigmar is sometimes called Sigmar Heldenhammer? And that this is translated as Hammer of Goblins? That infuriates me to no end. Helden means Heroes, not Goblins. it just...AAARGH.
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I already wondered, whether "Heldenhame" is not an erroneous spelling of "Heldenheim."
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Well, there is also hiem, which is Frisian for property, more or less.
Let me look something up real quick.
Fidelis, especially for you I have accessed a repository of knowledge that few men get to see. I hope you can use it in your wanderings.
Warning: it's a large block of text I just copied so no fancy shmancy layout, just raw data.
Forms:
α. eOE haam, OE–ME (early or north.) ham, ME am, ME heem (north.), ME hem (north.), ME–16 hame (chiefly north.), 15 heme (north.); Eng. regional (north.) 16 18– heam, 17–18 heame, 18 haam, 18– hame, 18– heaum, 18– heeam, 18– heyem, 18– hiam, 18– hyem, 18– yam, 18– yem; also Sc. pre-17 haime, pre-17 ham, pre-17 haym, pre-17 hayme, pre-17 heim, pre-17 heime, pre-17 17– hame, pre-17 18 haim, pre-17 (18– Shetland) haem, pre-17 (19– Shetland) hem, 17 haam, 18– heame, 18– heem (Orkney and Shetland), 19– hehym (south.), 19– heyime (south.), 19– him (Shetland), 19– hyim (south.), 19– hyimm (south.); Irish English (north.) 19– hame; Irish English (Wexford) 18 hime, 18 hyme.
β. eME heom (perh. transmission error), ME hoom, ME howm, ME hume, ME om, ME (17– regional) hum, ME–16 hoome, ME–16 (17 Eng. regional (Lancs.)) whom, ME–16 (17– Eng. regional (west midl. and south-west.)) whome, ME–16 (18– Eng. regional (south-west.)) hom, ME– home, 15 howme, 15 wom, 15 (18– Eng. regional (north.)) hoam, 15 (18– Eng. regional (north.)) hoame, 16 whoame; Eng. regional 17– hwome (south-west.), 17– whum (west midl. and south-west.), 18 hoom (Essex), 18– hooam (north. and Isle of Wight), 18– hwom (Cheshire), 18– hwum (south-west.), 18– whoam (south-west.); U.S. regional 19– hume (in African-American usage).
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Etymology: Cognate with Old Frisian hēm a person's house or abode, homestead, dwelling (West Frisian hiem yard, farmyard), Old Dutch heim homestead, dwelling (in place names and compounds; Middle Dutch heem , heim , Dutch (now rare) heem homestead, dwelling, a person's house or abode, the place where a person lives or was raised), Old Saxon hēm house (Middle Low German hēm a person's house or abode, the place where a person lives or was raised, native country, homeland), Middle High German heim abode, residence, homestead, dwelling (German Heim ; the sense ‘native country, homeland’ is expressed by Heimat (see Urheimat n.)), early Scandinavian (runic: Sweden) aimi (dative singular), em (accusative singular), (runic: Denmark) him- (in compounds) homestead, abode, world, Old Icelandic heimr dwelling, abode (chiefly in compounds denoting mythological parts of the universe, e.g. Jǫtunheimr , lit. ‘abode of giants’, Niflheimr , lit. ‘abode of mist’), (in compounds) village, (more usually) earth, world, universe (with the semantic development, compare Russian mir , which is attested from an early date in the senses ‘community, commune’ and ‘world’: see mir n.2, Mir n.4), Old Swedish hēm , heem a person's house or abode (Swedish hem ), Old Danish hiem , hēm a person's house or abode (Danish hjem ), also (with different suffixes and different (feminine) gender) Old High German heima abode, residence, homestead, dwelling, native country, homeland, Gothic haims village; further etymology uncertain and disputed: perhaps < the same Indo-European base as Early Irish cóim , Welsh cu beloved, dear, Lithuanian šeima family, kin, Latvian saime occupants of a homestead collectively, Russian Church Slavonic sěm′ person, Old Russian sěm′ja family (Russian sem′ja ), (with added suffix) Old Prussian seimīns , Lithuanian šeimyna occupants of a homestead collectively, all formations with -m -suffix < the same Indo-European base as ancient Greek κεῖσθαι to lie, classical Latin cīvis citizen (see civic adj.), and the first element of the Germanic compounds cited at hird n. (ancient Greek κώμη village (see Comarch n.) is probably unrelated, although it has sometimes been regarded as showing a cognate with different ablaut grade); perhaps further related to Old Prussian caymis village, Lithuanian kiemas farmyard, farm, homestead, village, kaimas village, rural (as opposed to urban) area, Latvian ciems occupants of a homestead collectively, homestead, village, although the nature of the relationship is uncertain.
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If we presume it's a mis-spelling, where is Heldenheim on the Empire maps?
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Oh, I did not mean necessarily that there was actually a Heldenheim in the Empire. That said, it does turn out that the German version of the Lexicanum does not have Heldenhame, but Heldenheim, which is identified as a city of the Empire in Stirland (referring to the Nagash and Glottkin books).
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The Warhammer Wikipedia says of the order of Sigmar's Blood: "Their Chapter House, Heldenhame Keep, is the grandest fortress in Talabecland."
The fanmade Kalevala WFRP2 Career Expansion apparently tries to merge the conflicting information: "[Heldenhame] Keep is located on the Stirland - Talabecland border area, but considered to be Talabecland side. It is also close to Sylvania guarding the dark realm." But that still does not fit the ET map.
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The Warhammer Wikipedia says of the order of Sigmar's Blood: "Their Chapter House, Heldenhame Keep, is the grandest fortress in Talabecland."
The fanmade Kalevala WFRP2 Career Expansion apparently tries to merge the conflicting information: "[Heldenhame] Keep is located on the Stirland - Talabecland border area, but considered to be Talabecland side. It is also close to Sylvania guarding the dark realm." But that still does not fit the ET map.
Then ignore the ET map, since the whole ET is a bad joke anyway.
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I now went through the excruciating trouble of reading Nagash. And, my goodness, what a gash it is. As far as I can tell, all information on Heldenhame comes from ET. The Warhammer Wikiquote (grandest fortress of Talabecland) is from Nagash p. 120. The fact that Talabheim is providing troops to the Keep would make sense as a left-over of the War of Succession. (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php/topic,47520.msg862846.html#msg862846) However, the map in the same book puts it in firmly in Stirland.
So, just ignore Heldenhame altogether.
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Found an old map of Sylvania and it shows a large town of Krugenheim just north of Mordheim and on the Talabecland side of the River Stir. could Heldenheim Keep be in this city. Could easily see the bone wall surrounding Sylvania from there, and puts it into the correct region.
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Not really. Heim (i.e. home) is a common suffix for the name of a settlement. As said before, all the references to Heldenhame I could find come from ET. According to Nagash, you have Heldenhame keep and a city of the same name, which had grown around the keep.
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The Nagash ET book would have this on the western side of Hundsheimerwald on the River Melk. However there aint nuffin their.
Knightly orders book does not give details of the Orders chapterhouse. So yet again another ET mess. Again cannot find any details of this place prior to ET. So I would be happy to except the the Keep has a different name from the town that has grown up around it.
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If you discard ET, you can locate Heldenhame anywhere you like. However, if it is just to have a location for the Chapter House of the Order of Sigmar's Blood, you do not have to retain the name Heldenhame either.
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For those using Perry miniatures coming early 2016. French/western foot knights.
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/pages.php?page=plastics-workbench
Click on the above to see the plastic finished items.
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In need for Chapter House Gate.
Do anyone know of a manufacturer of 28mm windlass control for a portcullis or failing that any good pictures. Nothing complicated please, remember it's to my modelling standards.
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I don't, but maybe you could improvise a bit with the trebuchet manufactured by Thomarillion?
Can be seen in action here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkAvlOZAMfI)and can be purchased here (http://thomarillion.de/index.php?seite=katalog&sprache=gb_&modell=trebuchet2_&pos=1).
I think some of the parts would work just fine for a windlass, and the rest could probably be put to use somehow as well.
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Thanks for the idea Gneisenau got me thinking instead of buying a kits and destroying it, just buy 2 model capstans from model boat shop. Mount them sideways on plastic rode, then add cheap jewelry chain.
Also check this out.
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-explore-the-savage-core/
Finally amazons not letting it all hang out.
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Shame on you! Cro Magnons, Simians on the same level as Amazons? The sexism, the sexism...
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Here a question for any engineers out there.
When a castle wall has been struck several time's by rocks, I presume that once the out finished wall gives way it exposes the rubble between the inner and outer dressed walls. Once this starts to give way what happens to the wall? Does the upper give way first because lack of support or does the whole wall collapse ? Or does the wall weaken through cracks finally causing the collapse.
Working on another wall for Reiksguard chapter house.
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I doubt the inner wall would collapse, or, indeed, the filling istelf. The inner and outer wall were built first and the gap filled afterwards - so the inner wall did not need support from the filling. And the filling usually consisted of stone rubble and limestone mortar, which is unlikely to give way. Even without limestone mortar, the filling would be fairly compact.
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Would it be that the out facing wall would break away revealing the inner rubble, but with not great damage done inwardly ?
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Would it be that the out facing wall would break away revealing the inner rubble, but with not great damage done inwardly ?
It would probably all depend on the number of hits this particular section of wall had taken. I don't think there is a really set way in which the curtain wall would have a breach that would not in each case be particular to the physics from the actual bombardment.
Another note: by my interpretation of fluff the Reiksguard Chapter House, or at least the head quarters in Altdorf, should be in pretty good, though perhaps antiquated, condition. I mean it isn't part of the current city defenses but an old keep that has been re-purposed to house the order. I mean it perhaps hasn't even been in a position of military value, in terms of siege, for hundreds of years.
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Would it be that the out facing wall would break away revealing the inner rubble, but with not great damage done inwardly ?
What SOF says. There will be always damage inwardly, but how much would depend on various factors. If you are looking for a method that has greater chances to collapse an entire section of the walls in one go, it would be mining.
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Just as an example how sturdy the filling can be (Rhuddlan Castle, Denbighshire):
(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o631/FidelisvonSigmaringen/rhuddlan02_zpskazzquxq.jpg) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/FidelisvonSigmaringen/media/rhuddlan02_zpskazzquxq.jpg.html)
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Huh. My understanding was that undermining worked because the filler was pretty loose and would fall out, leaving the two outer walls to collapse together.
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Siege mining constructed tunnels under the foundations of the wall. The tunnels were then set on fire, destroying the supporting beams of the tunnel. The foundations then had nothing to stand on anymore, and the sheer weight of the walls caused the collapse into the tunnel.
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Fidelis has it right about how they undermined a wall.
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As already indicated above, much depended on the quality of the masonry and filling, which was usually proportionate to one's purse. Rubble filling without lime mortar was easier to degrade, but still was unlikely to cause an immediate collapse. It certainly made sapping the wall much easier, once (parts of) the outer wall had been breached.
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Undermine a castle could take a lot of pigs!
www.historynet.com/medieval-warfare-how-to-capture-a-castle-with-siegecraft.htm
This is quite an in depth but easy to read summary of how castles were taken/defended without getting too complex.
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Which is the correct way to place the structs to stop the wall from collapsing ?
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p699/BrianDavies58/wargaming/End%20Times/pol20002_zpseawjphbo.jpg)
Any help please.
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If its an internal wall in the middle of a siege or on going conflict then you'd probably get a pretty rough and ready effort. A wooden screen/planking directly on weak point with supporting struts then filled with anything you could find. More time you'd have support work and proper effort to dismantle and rebuild wall.
As far as the photo is concerned either move struts closer in or have planking etc in between to contain the bulge
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Yes, the planking (struts/butresses) very much need to be placed on the bulge. As it is, you're encouraging it to burst.
In early modern warfare what you'd actually want to do (if possible) was put something like 15 foot width of earth/soil up against the stone wall.
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Thanks to everyone's help with the wall. You can see the finished item on Altdorf "The secret night."
New problem I've just found some very old citadel winged models. They have a very heavy coating of bright red gloss paint. Looks like I may have just dripped them right in the paint pot. Any suggestions on how I get rid of said paint.
Thank you
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I don't want to be that guy, but in this case it's best to do a quick google search. There are some good tutorials out there - easy to find. Most of the tutorials discuss how to remove acrylic paint, but the glossy paint that you are describing might indicate that enamel paint was used, so consider searching for this as well.
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If they're metal and as you mention the word 'old' then I would use paint stripper.
I have an old glass ashtray and drip the stripper over the model, and then use a toothbrush to work it into the crevices.
Leave to soak for a bit - an hour - and then rinse off under hot tap, brushing it or scrubbing it (which you should be good at Boom Boom :engel: )with the toothbrush at the same time.
If the paint is thick you may need to do it a couple of times, and picking at it, in any folds, with a pin will help.
Try not to get too much on your skin, and make sure you have the kitchen window open as it can be quite smelly stuff.
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Good luck. I bought a metal GW giant on eBay years ago and it had been painted with some kind of enamel and coated with a sealant. I don't know what the guy used, but I soaked it in a paint stripper for days and it still resisted removal. Got most of the paint off, but not all, and then gave up and sold it on eBay, so hope you have better luck.
Also, if they're old, they may be made of lead, so keep that in mind.
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Gave up with the paint removal, will go on e-bay next week as Ral Partha winged men, heavily painted post box red.
Found my avatar at Fenryll miniatures. OK wrong sex, but what goes on behind closed door is my business.
Now real question. Looking for a copy of the Reiksguard flag shown on page 56 of the Empire Collectors Guide. Hoping their is one with both front and back, so no messing around.
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Not quite sure what you mean by "both front and back," but the Reiksguard Standard model comes without the flag shown in the Guide. It comes without any flag - you have to make that yourself.
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I can do you the Foot Reiksguard red one from page 58 or a blue background one.
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Thank you Von Trinkenessen, have copy of the blue flag. So wish the 'A' is of Altdorf could be accessed according to a posting in 2009 you could get copies of the Empire Flags from "White Dwarf" 146 and 147 there.
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Thank you Von Trinkenessen, have copy of the blue flag. So wish the 'A' is of Altdorf could be accessed according to a posting in 2009 you could get copies of the Empire Flags from "White Dwarf" 146 and 147 there.
I might have those WD's in my possession. I'll check it out and then send you scans of the flags.
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Xathrodox86. Yes please if you can find them. Sent you PM with my e-mail.
Need suggestion for the Captain of my Deadcember painting project.
Earlier this year I mocked up a Knight of the Order of the Sacred Scythe. [some else I have in mind for my "Fall of Altdorf."]
Will be small unit 5 figures only, with nice dragon banner. The Knights and horses will be in their best bib and tucker, as it is the "end of times".
Need suitable figure to command. Any suggestions.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p699/BrianDavies58/wargaming/P1000087_zpsit3qor9d.jpg)
Sorry about poor quality of photo. Flash and silver paint don't go together.
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Got your mail. Will send them later today, after I'll get back from work. :icon_cool:
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Better picture of Scared Scythe Knight. Thinking of changing helmet as well.
Still looking for suggestion as to a champion figure.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p699/BrianDavies58/wargaming/P1000163_zpscocd8lov.jpg)
Thanks for the WD xathrodox.
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The helmut is great, but I think you maybe right - perhaps not practical with a scythe.
Regarding a champion, surely that would just be built similar, but without a helmut - maybe use the plastic captain beard with eyepatch head?
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surely if you've figured out how to wield a scythe in mounted combat, you are awesome enough to wield a scythe in mounted combat while wearing a giant horned helmet :mrgreen:
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Better picture of Scared Scythe Knight. Thinking of changing helmet as well.
Still looking for suggestion as to a champion figure.
A knight with the hands in the air? :engel:
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(( Fidelis von Sigmaringen,
Were you thinking that the knight was waving his hands in the air, like he just didn't care?
Scrubber,
How did you get the oversized, super-horns on his helm? Those are wicked awesome! ))
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I was referring to a - small but perhaps telling - spelling error.
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Ok point taken about the scythe, need to shorten the handle length. Also thinking about adding black/dark grey cloak.
Caroline. Helmet is from the Demi-griffon set, but you only get one in the box.
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My sense is the length of the handle is fine. The idea that he weilds it one way from the saddle, yet another from foot works for me.
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Made up the two ordinary knight. The musician is going to have like a tuba made from chaos horn around his body, so can still use scythe and shield. Not made my mind up about standard yet. Should he have standard pole in left hand and scythe in right. Shield strapped to his back or just banner pole in right hand and shield in left. Champion may be the Elector Count of Hochland yet. Any thoughts.
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Battlefield in a box are back in stock of their Badlands scenery.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p699/BrianDavies58/40k/P1000178_zpsbihpbqsc.jpg) (http://s1346.photobucket.com/user/BrianDavies58/media/40k/P1000178_zpsbihpbqsc.jpg.html)
Bluff and left, plateau on right.
Do shop around have ever as I found about £4.00 in difference.
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I want to increase the size of some of my empire mounted knights and find myself short of some bits.
Need 10 swords in scabbard and 16 pennants. They need to be from the knightly order box.
Have money willing to pay.
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I can have a look.
I may need 2 shields in return (specific knightly order design).
Let me check tonight.
Also, that Terrain looks like chocolate cake.
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Thanks Warlord. Can help with shields, which one's are you after.
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Ok, i have them.
If you are willing to do a bitz swap to australia, sounds good to me.
Its the shield from the knights box, the one with the cross, and the little skull in the top corner.
I only need 2.
If you have any of the knights helm with 'mohawk' style plumes, up to 6 of those would be welcome also.
If you can help with those, would be great. If not, then i can still send you what you need.
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Thanks Warlord, will PM you tomorrow. Have all helms, disturbing lots of dust now trying to find where all my shields have gone.
Also have old dwarf, elf and goblins bits if you need anything else.
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Hi Warlord. Sent you PM with details on. I also have everything you require.
Thanks Brian
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Hi Warlord.
Don't think my PM are getting through. So please PM me you contact details and I can post your knight bits off to you.
Cheers Brian.
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Hi Scrubber,
Sorry, time has been rare over the holidays.
Took some time today to catch up.
PM sent.
Oh, and I did get your previous message, so I have your address.
Will be sending tomorrow.
Sorry for the wait!
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Thanks Warlord bits have arrived. :-)
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Hi scrubber, my bits arrived too. I was considering adding some extras, but time escaped me. But i have your details, so at some point you can expect an Australia surprise in the next few months. Just me know if you plan on moving!
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Anyone know where I can get 50mmx50mm square bases from. Want plastic GW type. UK based if possible.
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You sure to have checked eBay.co.uk?
There are some Chinese shipping bases worldwide. If you can't find them on the UK site, try the US site, ebay.com.
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Anyone know where I can get 50mmx50mm square bases from. Want plastic GW type. UK based if possible.
Direct from GW
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Citadel-50x50mm-Square-Bases
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WHAT?!?!? square bases? hypocrites, I hate them ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic::
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That response is a bit late since the Island of Blood re-release with both bases in it. :-P
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WHAT?!?!? square bases? hypocrites, I hate them ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic::
You should see what they're doing to 40k
https://youtu.be/7dl0OtWqCa0
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WHAT?!?!? square bases? hypocrites, I hate them ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic::
You should see what they're doing to 40k
https://youtu.be/7dl0OtWqCa0
Please be a joke!? It is a joke right. GW humour and all 😸
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It is, along with this nugget at the Adepticon preview:
Shooting
Armour save modifiers. This topic comes up almost as often as Sisters of Battle… so we’re going to bring them back. Every weapon will have its place in your army and better represent how you imagine them working in your head.
Can't wait for what they'll troll on April 1st. :-D
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I'm, for one, looking forward to all the changes. I think they hinted at the 3 ways to play which is fantastic as far as I'm concerned.
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Same. This might get me into starting a guard army. :-D
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what are they doing to 40k ?? square bases !!! ??? :unsure:
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Same. This might get me into starting a guard army. :-D
My guard army will be revamped. Valhallens with my new captain and adjutant that I received from JAK for the pleasant surprise 2017. Check it out under that thread for Dik Sharppe and Rik of the 95th Vallhallens in the dark green of Sharpes Rifles that I enjoyed so much.
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Thanks Oxycuter, never gave it a thought to look at GW since they went round on everything.
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Never underestimate the ability of GW to put a square peg in a round hole...
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Big heavy hammer always help put square pegs in round hole.
Does anyone have any Mon Miniatures. What is their size like to GW?
https://www.momminiaturas.com/miniaturas-fantasia/hijos-del-grifo/#cc-m-product-7551661876
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They look nice!
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OMG check out their dwarf viking-boat zeppelin!
https://www.momminiaturas.com/zeppelin-pre-order/ (https://www.momminiaturas.com/zeppelin-pre-order/)
(https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=1820x1280:format=jpg/path/se0c9cd4d3b77ec80/image/i0df95d7c5f114307/version/1489931650/image.jpg)
If only GW went with a more medieval aesthetic like this, instead of the sci-fi techno dwarves of doom!
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I'm a happy bunny today.
Won a Bright Wizard with all the flames on e-bay for £20.00 including postage. :biggriin:
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I'm a happy bunny today.
Won a Bright Wizard with all the flames on e-bay for £20.00 including postage. :biggriin:
Lucky man! That mini is insanely cool. I have it myself. Pride of my collection, very well painted too! :)
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Amongst a tin of Mini-Figs I've found this figure of a Black-smith. Stands approx. 25mm. Is he a very old citadel or some other make.
Picture held for ransom by photobucket :cry:
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This is the next figure to make it to the paint tray. However I cannot find the figure in my Empire Collectors guide.
Can anyone help and identify the model.
(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p699/BrianDavies58/P1000432_zpsbxirovue.jpg) (http://s1346.photobucket.com/user/BrianDavies58/media/P1000432_zpsbxirovue.jpg.html)
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Looks like a mounted Reiksguard Knight to me, which were never pictured in any catalogue.
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He was a Hero - down the bottom of this page:
(http://www.solegends.com/citcat1998/1998P059-02.jpg)
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Thank you kind Sir. Now on his way to painting.
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Don't paint him! He's a coward, and I have proof. Here he is running away in the middle of a battle ...
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i49/padrissimus/Mortensholm22.jpg)
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Ha!ha!👆
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No Padre, he who runs away, lives to fight another day, and it's not running. It's called a strategic withdraw to rally the troops for the next engagement.
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I dub thee "Sir Robin" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IkbCeZ9to
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No Padre, he who runs away, lives to fight another day, and it's not running. It's called a strategic withdraw to rally the troops for the next engagement.
Looks to me like he has captured the 'one' true artefact and is making sure it is carried to safety ...................... :engel:
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(( Maybe he's just advancing towards future victory? ))
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More like Boldly advancing upon the rear. Moving on he is now painted, but I need to get the plastic Generals horse for a suitable mount.
Think Fidelis is also spying upon my paint table, with your link to Bold Sir Robin.
(https://i.imgur.com/7Xe2yob.jpg)
I did not know until last month that GW had made some Robin Hood figures. So bought the set of 3 last month, just started on Tuck.
Picture shows my first two Robin's. One on left with chicken pot on head. Why because his hat reminds me of an old pottery chicken my mum's Aunt used to have for her eggs. 2nd is Robin with Horn, that pose reminder me of the old black and whites with Richard Greene. Something was wrong with the Tuck figure, then it came to me today. Tuck never had a bow in the old black and white or Errol Flynn days.
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Bertrand Le Brigand from the Bretonnia range
(http://www.solegends.com/citcat1997/1997p235-01.jpg) (http://www.solegends.com/citcat1997/1997p235-01.htm)
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Oh man, a set of true classics. Shame that they've got rid of Bertram in latter editions.
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If they kept him, we might done him with a new figure, too.
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What happened to them, or did GW just stopped adding the to Codex.
175 points as rare unit consist of Robin [Bertrand], Little John [Hugo] and Tuck [Gui], Musician [Allen a Dale], Standard and 5 Bowmen. Can add additional bowmen for 7 points each.
Standard, thinking of Herne the Hunter possible use Albion Druid and add antlers. Another possible is Damsel as Lady Marion.
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Cool idea! Yeah, GW quit adding them to the army book in 6th edition. They even had their own formation, the arrow. It was like the triangular lance formation.
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Bertram and his men were really good shots! I think that in latter editions (well, edition), he wasn't grim enough to warrant a place in the army book. Shame really. :unsure:
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I've salvaged some 75mm Polystyrene insulation board from a skip on the next road. Going to make edge of board mountain range.
What's the best glue to use to stick them together? Also can you still buy plaster bandage, that was used for casts on broken limbs ?
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On Warhammer community, they are showing the AOS free-guild starter sets, so it looks like the following troop will be available for us still in the Old World.
Plastic General set. State troops and State crossbows along with Demigryph Knights.
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I've salvaged some 75mm Polystyrene insulation board from a skip on the next road. Going to make edge of board mountain range.
What's the best glue to use to stick them together? Also can you still buy plaster bandage, that was used for casts on broken limbs ?
I used the white wood glue/pvc and that worked just fine. I made this hunk if meaningless terrain and carved it with a heat wire gun thing that's been kicking around for years.
(https://artobansghost.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/img_0728.jpg)
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Also can you still buy plaster bandage, that was used for casts on broken limbs ?
I guess you are talking about a simple 'crepe bandage' - sold in rolls of various sizes in any chemist.
Same as with a plaster cast for broken limb, you would cut it into strips and then soak it in your plaster mix, and drape it over the area you wish to cover.
(http://www.firstaid.co.uk/images/products/medium/D3980.jpg)
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Not in chemist around here, but found it in Hobby Craft. Mod-rock, that was the name I was looking to remember. Going to get messy tomorrow go job mum's house has not been sold yet. Big empty room, plastic sheet on floor and time to play.
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Shameless plug for old Ian Weekley castle models which I've just stuck on ebay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/312017448079?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
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Its not the end of the worlde, fellow Bret players
I'm sure you can convert current models to resemble these miniatures. A fat frair comes with the Bretonian men at arms and bowmen kit. There's a proxy Gui
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Yes finishing the Hood game is on the list of things to complete in 2018. Will also replace photo with one that's not so blurred.
One of my Christmas presents was an old metal Steam Tank off e-bay, but it has the top part of the chimney stack missing. Does anyone have a spare one they would be will to sell me. Will even make do with plastic one.
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Which 'old' metal Steam Tank.
The second metal one, I think, had a choice of two as part of the kit.
The much older small one with the dragon muzzle had the chimney built in to the boiler.
(http://www.solegends.com/citcat1999/c1999p0388-02.jpg)
I'll have a look at my bits and see if have either of the newer one tops.
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Scrubber, I think I owe you something for a previous trade. I have a metal chimney I believe so I will find it and pop it in the mail the next few weeks.
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Thanks guy's.
However whilst contemplating in the smallest room in the house, it occurred to me that this steam tank is to replace the one I'm keeping and going into son's Middenheim army. So snatched goblin rider from my Orc army, beheaded the wolf and we have one cap for a Ultric steam tank.
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This has nothing to do with Warhammer.
I am looking for attractive/sexy nurse. [leaves self wide open for comment.]
My wheelchair bound evil mad scientist needs some-one to wheel him around and brush his kitty Kat.
Thought Reaper may have figure like that, but can't find one. Any suggestion, figure can't be to over-the-top as will be seen by children.
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Reaper's modern line would be Chronoscope, and they nearly always come with a weapon - at least in holster.
I know a couple that came with boardgames with miniatures. Arkham Horror and some other. Wonder if you can buy the minis separately. Might try eBay.
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Pulp?
(http://www.northstarfigures.com/images/3/img6893.jpg)
Northstar stock Murch's Pulp Figures
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=186&page=1
and then maybe Copplestone has something in his sets
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=186&page=1
Then Artizan has 16 pages of Thrilling Tales
http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=12&page=1
........ which you can look through yourself ............... :engel:
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Pulp?
(http://www.northstarfigures.com/images/3/img6893.jpg)
Northstar stock Murch's Pulp Figures
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=186&page=1
and then maybe Copplestone has something in his sets
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=186&page=1
Then Artizan has 16 pages of Thrilling Tales
http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=12&page=1
........ which you can look through yourself ............... :engel:
These would make good props for a Call of Cthulhu game.
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Albert Einstein, post-stroke Lenin, Nurse Ratchet, John-Gorge Haige and Henry Jones sr?
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Albert Einstein, post-stroke Lenin, Nurse Ratchet, John-Gorge Haige and Henry Jones sr?
Reminds me of Bubba Ho-tep!
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Just started painting the Skull Pass troll as common troll. Only ever painted River Trolls before.
So my question is what are the scabs/scales on the model and should they be painted a different colour than the trolls skin.
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I think that is just pebbly skin.
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You can paint your troll as you see fit.
If you want guidance, I'd say these two sites give you pretty much the GW official painting scheme:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/197178 (http://www.coolminiornot.com/197178)
http://www.sodemons.com/rhtrolls2/14wh7ogtrolls/index.htm (http://www.sodemons.com/rhtrolls2/14wh7ogtrolls/index.htm)
The troll was also painted red or reddish brown in some GW photos.
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One common garden troll.
(https://i.imgur.com/i1DhTaw.jpg)
Not happy with belly, but have policy never go back to figure once finished.
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Love it! I’m pretty sure I have that troll somewhere around.
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The scenery seems to be (l)ithyphallic...
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Ooh mister you mucky mind. :-o
It's the teeth of the stone Orc skull.
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I stand e-...euh...corrected.