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Imperial Artisans ... The Painters, Crafters & Writers Guilds => The Brush and Palette => Topic started by: ZeroTwentythree on March 29, 2009, 09:37:37 PM
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Spotted this earlier today and have been spreading the good word. :wink:
I'm pretty excited about it from a historical player, but they've got their possibilities in all 3* human WFB armies as well.
http://theminiaturespage.com/news/3926/
* Well, 2.5 human armies, because DoW only count as half an army. And maybe that should be 2, since Bretonnians should only count as a half human army, since their peasants are practically monkeys. Whatever. :laugh:
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Fantastic!
Though a bit too western european for my taste. :icon_sad:
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They're also doing pikemen and stuff for europe after aswell. Or something. :engel:
Looking forward to them, so I am.
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Oh, good! :icon_biggrin:
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Remembered where I saw it :icon_mrgreen:
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2009/03/28/25168
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Oooh this makes me happy in my happy place
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Yeah, as much as I dig the WotR, I'm also looking at it more for continental armies. So pike & crossbow are sounding good. :-D
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WotR were carnage some of them, sure they had big units of archers, but they also had massive infantry melees, in fact most were settled in the press of battle
not to mention the WotR saw the bloodiest battle ever fought on English soil
Plus, they look sooo pretty
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Actually, because of the similarities of the armies (and I believe this is true of other periods/wars as well) it really comes down to generalship, deployment and maneuver to win the games. On the other hand, you can also play the "Yorkist Pretender" variant, which will end up much different, with a whole lot of continental mercenaries and Irish.
One of the most fun games of DBM I've played was a multi-player game based on the Battle of Barnet. Each player had their own force and was given a briefing on their individual goals for the game. The allegiance of some of were highly questionable. I played Clarence, so my allegiance was more questionable than others. I ended up doing well, as I moved cautiously into a good position for the first two turns, where I could attack either side. I ended up meeting my goals of joining the winning side. :wink:
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Those figures look very good, and with them mentioning the eventual creation of pike, crossbow, and handguns, I'm looking forward to these. :icon_biggrin: :icon_cool:
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They look good, but with no puff and no slash they won't be seen in my army.
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Good for a 'historical' Empire army though (by which I mean one set in the past of the warhammer world).
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Rufus, if you think similar vs. similar is boring, I wonder why you are interested in medieval wargaming at all! :icon_lol:
If you want battles between different kind of forces, one awesome setting would be Scandinavia during the 15th century (throw in 14th century aswell, by the way).
Farmer armies of different skill level centered around crossbows and polearms/spears, supported with some noble cavalry, maybe a sprinkle of professional foot, and a not to shabby amount of cannons against danish armies of more continental look, including many german mercenaries in horse and foot. But here to you might find a bunch of farmers who for some reason decided to join the danish king or a swedish noble allied to him, maybe because their neighbour rivals joined the other side... :icon_razz:
Very different in capabilities, the conventional forces would usually be better on a classical battlefield, but the farmers would rule anykind of fighting in forest or broken terrain, using field fortifications, barricades and traps as well as local knowledge to their advantage if possible. And the enemy better watch out in case the farmers are supported by some swedish noble cavalry just waiting for the right moment to pounce.
But sometimes the farmers will also rather die fighting than admit defeat, and despite the odds decide to sell their lives as dearly as possible even if it means slaughter. Great examples of that would be the battle of Visby 1361, and the massacre outside Stockholm during the reign of Christian I in the mid 15th century.
But at the same time, given some time and expirience, the farmers can turn into a truly determined army with some skill to back it up. Like at the battle of Brunkeberg 1471 outside Stockholm, when the swedish farmers made 2 frontal assaults against a fortified position on a ridge, and reformed twice afterwards and went in again.
After the second (or even third) repulse, if my mind serve me right, the danish commander on the ridge belived he had finally broken the farmers and moved down to drive them of, only to see the farmers being reformed and happily engaging their enemies who had now left their good position.
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Good for a 'historical' Empire army though (by which I mean one set in the past of the warhammer world).
Or one set in the Border Princes perhaps, and given the way the 7th ed empire models are moving, puffnslash seems to be dropping out of fashion ;)
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Damn I missed seeing those at the weekend! They make me happy in a special way, I want more 14-15th century era mini's and these will do very nicely :biggriin:
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puffnslash seems to be dropping out of fashion ;)
Greatswords and Huntsmen?
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The 3-ups where at the Perry stand. They look nice enough, but from the looks of their ACW and Napoleonic ranges, they'll be a tad small compared to GW.
This of course because they're meant as historicals, and thus need to be true to scale.
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Doesnt bother me, I will cheerfully build an army from these chaps, and I dont go to GW tournaments so woo
Top notch, historical, plastics for WortR - it doesnt get much better for me.
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Or one set in the Border Princes perhaps,
True - like my Hungarians if they want to show up in the warhammer world.
Perry miniatures are always awesome. I'd buy half their ranges if I thought I'd have any chance of painting and using them.
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Or one set in the Border Princes perhaps,
True - like my Hungarians if they want to show up in the warhammer world.
Perry miniatures are always awesome. I'd buy half their ranges if I thought I'd have any chance of painting and using them.
Only half ?
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I'm not interested in all of them. :icon_smile:
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Due for release in 6 months according the Michael Perry - looking forward to them with great interest.
Shame the Warlord Games ECW box set just dissapointed me though...
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:Ohmy:
What was wrong with it Donnachaidh?
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Necrothreadomancification! ::heretic::
Didn't see the point in starting a new one.
The first set of WotR plastics are apparently up for preorder. Great looking photos and details here:
http://theminiaturespage.com/news/842495/
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What very nice subdued models those are!
I really like them!
Phil
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Those guys are Empire-tastic!
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I love these.
Perry and Perry should run games workshop
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No way. I like them doing their own thing for non-GW prices better.
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40 troops, £15, yeah, nice.
I love Renedra!
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No way. I like them doing their own thing for non-GW prices better.
but if they ran GW, then everything would be their current non gw price.
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Very nice looking models.
Perfect for my Swiss army I keep promising myself I'm going to finish some day. Well minus the archers but they might easily convert into pikemen.
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Perfect for my Swiss army I keep promising myself I'm going to finish some day. Well minus the archers but they might easily convert into pikemen.
They have also stated they will do a second set more appropriate to continental mercenaries (which I imagine would be good for Swiss, Burgundians, French, Felmish, etc. troops.) They mentioned pike, crossbow and handgun.
I'm curious if they'll do some heavily armoured men at arms (mounted and/or dismounted.)
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Arrgh! Some nice new halberdiers for my Empire there! :biggriin:
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Fantastic!
By the way, the first part of this thread is confusing. Why is Mathi lecturing me about something I don't appear to have said?
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What part of that is confusing? You should be used to it by now...
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The way he addresses me directly, for no reason.
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For £15 it's great - and it looks like the arms are separate.
It will be interesting to see how ell they mix and match with Ed.6 Empire soldier arms.
... and all those archer accessories spread around my existing militia .......
:engel:
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GW should hire the Perrys to make all empire models for the rest of their lives and just leave it at that.
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The models are great, but 3:1 archer/billmen in a box won't separate me from my money.
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The models are great, but 3:1 archer/billmen in a box won't separate me from my money.
Yeah, that's really aimed at the historical period the set is intended for. It would have been nice to have enough arms to alter that a bit, but I assume they were trying to fit as many figures in the kit as possible, rather than additional options.
When they arrive, I'll post some pics of them next to some of the Empire plastics. Like Midaski said, it will be interesting to see what sort of conversions are possible.
GW should hire the Perrys to make all empire models for the rest of their lives and just leave it at that.
Perry models were the reason I got into Empire in the first place.
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22 archers to 18 Billmen is 3:1?
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Well, too many archers:too few billmen anyway :mrgreen:
What am I going to do with 22 archers? I mean, other than totally awesome and super effective fire support.
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Forcefeed them to people you don't like.
Have -lots- of scouts.
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You should send those archers to me for extra training. Archers and huntsmen in my army never fail to make an impression! :closed-eyes:
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What am I going to do with 22 archers? I mean, other than totally awesome and super effective fire support.
Sell them to Bretonnian players. Start a Bretonnian army?
At the price they're charging, you could throw away all the archers, and you'd still be paying less per billman than GW figures. :wink:
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At the price they're charging, you could throw away all the archers, and you'd still be paying less per billman than GW figures.
That's a very good point. And I suppose I could convert them into something else.
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Dead Bretonnians!
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Ah this warms my heart... too bad the best thing to happen to Empire minis in years wasn't made by GW. :icon_mrgreen:
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And even better, by earlier GW employees.
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I believe they still work for GW actually, on some projects. I know a lot of the LotR range is actually the Perrys.
But yes, I'm thrilled these guys heve done something obviously so "Empire". Especially considering that they've sculped so many of the classic empire metal minis.
This is pure win. :smile2:
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...the new GW archers too, I think.
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...the new GW archers too, I think.
That would explain why they are so much better than the other state gimps troops.
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Now that's a bit harsh in my opinion. If I was a gimp, I would be offended.
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They've finally released them... and by god it was worth the wait, lovely lovely models :eusa_clap:
Can finally throw out some of the old and rather buggered up Halberdiers I have
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The Perry brothers sculpted the 5th edition Dogs of War.
They are still some of the best models in the GW range, except for later Perry sculpts of course.
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The Perry brothers sculpted the 5th edition Dogs of War.
They are still some of the best models in the GW range, except for later Perry sculpts of course.
I agree, riccos roughnecks are some of GW's best miniatures.
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They've finally released them... and by god it was worth the wait, lovely lovely models :eusa_clap:
Can finally throw out some of the old and rather buggered up Halberdiers I have
Where did you see this?
I've been looking on their site today, and I cannot see them available.
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I believe they still work for GW actually, on some projects.
GW still provides the bread and butter for the Perry's. They pick up around 90 grand each per year from GW for bread and butter projects.
They run their own ranges because they love to sculpt, yes, it's as simple as that.
They could whack the prices for their gear through the roof (like GW does :icon_rolleyes:)if they wanted to but they don't because they don't 'need' the money and they 'genuinely' love to sculpt. They are both serious historical buffs and this outlet gives them room to indulge their historical passions.
Yeah they make money out of it but only because their sculpting is that good that people will buy their gear in bulk, and at the prices for their excellent plastics, why wouldn't they?
There is no doubting that Perry Miniatures have picked up a 'LOT' of business from customers who used to be found with little other than 'Foundry' miniatures in their armies or collections.
I know a lot of the LotR range is actually the Perrys.
The bulk of the superb GW LotR models are indeed Perry creations.
They also have an exclusive sculpting contract to Peter Jackson's personal miniature company. The Perry twins are incredibly prolific.
I'll certainly be buying some of their excellent billhook and archers in plastic.
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GW still provides the bread and butter for the Perry's. They pick up around 90 grand each per year from GW for bread and butter projects.
They do? Nice to hear that quality pays in this particular field.
One of the earlier rulebooks had a picture of them sitting in front of their entire empire collection. It was a bit on the huge side.
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SLight UPdate:
I emailed Warlord and asked if they were going to stock the Medieval kit?
"The Perrys are currently on holiday in New Zealand and we expect them back this week.
We have an order for the box set so as soon as we get hold of it will be on our website."
So soon then.
I have a little order for Warlord ready to go - I plan to try their Morion helmets as well.
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JUst for the record, the 'holiday' in New Zealand means they are staying mostly at Peter Jacksons place in Wellington, where they are discussing the new models they will be doing for his private miniatures company, but moreso they are discussing the merchandising requirements and sculpts etc needed for the upcoming big screen debut for the 'Hobbit', which they will be doing the bulk of the work for soon.
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Just read my emails and noticed on the Caliver Books newsletter that they will be doing these for £13.99 - post free worldwide.
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Good spot Badwolf.
Something that I have taken advantage of this afternoon. :closed-eyes:
I entered the 'H' code from the News page in, with the price of £13.99
However when I got to the checkout it had added £1.95 as though it was a book.
However I rang them and was informed that it will not matter as the orders are actually dealt with manually and so my payment should be reduced by the £1.95 when they put it through.
Please Note Guys:
They also do free delivery on orders over £16.50 normally anyway, and I noticed they did Warlord Games stuff that was discounted a bit too - ECW Cavalry at £16.50 instead of £18, and the clubmen at £9.50.
The Warlord site charges you 10% delivery in the UK.
My thanks to JustNorth - I always think of Caliver as 'books' and didin't realise quite how many manufacturers and ranges of figures they actually do.
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They also have an exclusive sculpting contract to Peter Jackson's personal miniature company. The Perry twins are incredibly prolific.
Hell, they even sculpted a custom army of WWI New Zealanders for Peter Jackson's personal use.
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Please Note Guys:
They also do free delivery on orders over £16.50 normally anyway, and I noticed they did Warlord Games stuff that was discounted a bit too - ECW Cavalry at £16.50 instead of £18, and the clubmen at £9.50.
The Warlord site charges you 10% delivery in the UK.
My thanks to JustNorth - I always think of Caliver as 'books' and didin't realise quite how many manufacturers and ranges of figures they actually do.
They are the only way I will order Foundry miniatures. Because I can pay directly in UK Pounds and they give free worldwide shipping, as you mention, they're like half the price of ordering from Foundry if you're outside the UK.
Thanks for the heads up on the Perry miniatures, though. I hadn't thought to look there. I'm curious to see how that will compare to US distributors for me.
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Looks like they are sold out at Cavalier books :icon_cry:
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Looks like they are sold out at Caliver books :icon_cry:
I doubt it :icon_question:
When I spoke yesterday they hadn't actually got it properly on the website under the Perry listings.
I had to enter it taking the H19272 code from the 'News' page
http://www.caliverbooks.com/news.php?
(Scroll down) and the price of £13.99 into the 'Add Custom Item to Cart' box on the ordering pages.
Top and middle of this page -
http://www.caliverbooks.com/figures/index.php?menu=fant
Doing that was what triggered the incorrect delivery charge I referred to. The boxes aren't due in to them until early December (next week?).
I suspect I was one of the first, if not the first to order - certainly online.
I was wondering if I should have ordered two boxes ..................
.... no must resist ....... :icon_evil: too much other stuff on order already.
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I was wondering if I should have ordered two boxes ..................
Probably. That way you'll still have one for yourself when you send me one for my birthday, which happens to be around the same time they're due to be released.
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They are on the perry miniatures site now, and it says they will be released next week.
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Hmm, would have liked to see more pictures on the perry site.
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More pics. The figures are apparently now shipping:
http://theminiaturespage.com/news/904883/
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I am hoping my order from Caliver will get here this week. :biggriin:
40 minis for £13.99 :icon_rolleyes:
The funny thing is that somewhere on their site I read something from the Perrys about "The day job" (at GW)
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Time for a cheap pop at GW for no reason other than I can!
The funny thing is that somewhere on their site I read something from the Perrys about "The day job" (at GW)
Obviously no seminars on product pricing!
There, some blatant GW hate.
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Obviously no seminars on product pricing!
There, some blatant GW hate.
And the Summon Shadowlord spell is complete.
:wink:
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'Nuff said... Imagine all the juicy bitz and cross-over possibilities! :eusa_clap:
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2009/nov/842495a.jpg)
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2009/nov/842495b.jpg)
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2009/nov/842495c.jpg)
Can be had here: http://www.perry-miniatures.com/
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Brettonians, DOW and Empire players must be more then happy... Perfect set.
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Are these already out? Where can I find them?
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#Those are fantastic...I can“t wait till Zero 23 has painted them! :biggriin:
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SO they are roughly $30.00? for 40 models if i read that right but GW is trying to sell me 10 great swords for $40. bucks? SUK!!! plus they look great all kinds of detail etc.... :dry:
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#Those are fantastic...I can“t wait till Zero 23 has painted them! :biggriin:
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Thanks. I'm actually on a "miniatures spending freeze" at the moment. Unfortunately work has slowed down a lot and I'd like to get my nieces & nephews some Christmas presents before buying more toys for myself. (Too bad they're not old enough for wargames! :wink: ) Even if I feel like I've got a little bit of "extra" cash for myself in the near future, I am still torn between the Perry figures and those new Artizan landsknects! (And Crusader's upcoming Ancient Germans! And some more of the new Clanrats!)
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I like them yet they have so many archers in the set. Wouldn't really want them. Are Perrys doing pikes? Well non foundry pikes.
Mogsam
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They previously mentioned a second set to follow containing continental type troops -- pike, handgun & crossbow.
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That's excellent news, from those two pics they look quite good and I'll plan on picking up a set next year.
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I hate to do this, but:
What's about the size? Perry-Minis are much smaller than the average imperial trooper in WHF, or?. :unsure:
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My box arrived yesterday - managed a brief look so far, but looks tremendous value 40 figures for £13.99 :biggriin:
Heads and arms are separate, and the weapons are realistic size rather than the 'heroic' GW.
However I intend to have a play later and see how they look with GW Ed.6 arms on, and maybe GW heads.
The balance is heavily towards archers so I would want to be able to convert some of them to other weapons.
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I saw some large pics (click on them) of a few painted figures here:
http://je-lay-emprins.blogspot.com/2009/12/plastic-wips.html
edit: Just spotted the blog owner's other blog full of beautiful medieval eye candy:
http://harness-and-array.blogspot.com/
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I“m currently waiting for my review box. As soon as i get my hands on them, i“ll post some pictures :)
I hate to do this, but:
What's about the size? Perry-Minis are much smaller than the average imperial trooper in WHF, or?. :unsure:
(http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/pm_scale2.jpg)
(http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/PM_FHCScale1.jpg)
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Hm... GW human bodies are bulkier, but the horses should fit in just fine.
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You can find more pictures from the horses and scales here:
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=9945
Tomorrow we have a review online, for the warlord games cavalry.
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Wow, that site is like the best miniature site I have ever seen - good layout, PDF magazines, great pictures, probably good content (I can't read German :icon_frown: ). Amazing stuff.
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Wow, that site is like the best miniature site I have ever seen - good layout, PDF magazines, great pictures, probably good content (I can't read German :icon_frown: ). Amazing stuff.
As a german I cann tell you: This site is awesome! My favourite GW-News and Stuff site!
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Wow those minis are awesome I would love to get my hands on some of those.
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They previously mentioned a second set to follow containing continental type troops -- pike, handgun & crossbow.
That's what I need, really.
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More:
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2009/dec/904883d.jpg)
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2009/dec/904883b.jpg)
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2009/dec/904883c.jpg)
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2009/dec/904883a.jpg)
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These would work great for my Stirland Free Foresters! Too bad I'm broke :icon_frown:
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Not sure I'll come up with something to use them for but I'm gonna buy those miniatures (and some Napoleonic cavalry) just to support them! :smile2:
May Rumpnissarna take GW and their goldswords! :eusa_wall:
/Rob
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I could totally see those in a burgundian ordonnance army with heavy cav and pike support and a cannon or two.
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It's interesting: In former times, this Rosewar-minis wouldn't have fitted so much for the empire, 'cause of the "puffy-cloths"style of the older minis. Now the GW-statetroops look much more like Late 15th and early 16th century soldiers with their tight trousers and the more darkgothic background.
I will buy me a box of this stuff (so cheap) and will use them as hunters and freecompany :happy:
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Oh the love I would give if they make a landsknecht box pikes and greatswords please.
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Oh the love I would give if they make a landsknecht box pikes and greatswords please.
For Landsknechte use the Warlord Games English Civil War models, there are 40 men armed as pikemen or musketeers.
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=844
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already got those and some additional armoured pikes ...but I need more puff real Germanic landsknecht with katzbalgers and mighty cod pieces.
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I wish it had more of the fully armored models. Those are the best ones.
Oh the love I would give if they make a landsknecht box pikes and greatswords please.
They won't. Get the Artizan Designs pikemen instead.
It's interesting: In former times, this Rosewar-minis wouldn't have fitted so much for the empire, 'cause of the "puffy-cloths"style of the older minis.
Though they would be about right for the 3rd edition Empire.
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the armoured ones would make great swordsmen in heavy armour, one can still hope for next edition....well I hope they reduce the armour value for models and increase the killyness (like giving knights a 4+ armour save, heavy infantry 5+, light infantry 6+ with all the armour save modifiers still valid there would be more killing during close combats) but if they continue the trend I don“t see why empire shouldn“t have any 3+ AS infantry.
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I can't tell from the pic, are there just the two fully armoured bodies on the sprue with the bundles of arrows? (So just 4 per box?)
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are there just the two fully armoured bodies on the sprue with the bundles of arrows? (So just 4 per box?)
That's how it looks to me.
the armoured ones would make great swordsmen in heavy armour, one can still hope for next edition....well I hope they reduce the armour value for models and increase the killyness (like giving knights a 4+ armour save, heavy infantry 5+, light infantry 6+ with all the armour save modifiers still valid there would be more killing during close combats) but if they continue the trend I don“t see why empire shouldn“t have any 3+ AS infantry.
So long as they don't have full plate armor with shields. It's weird.
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I'm going to wait for the Pike, Handgun and Crossbow set, my Dogs need a facelift.
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A couple of metal artillery pieces and crew to go with the new plastics.
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/wip/WotR_gun_2.jpg
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/wip/WotR_gun_1.jpg
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I just posted a couple of links to some preview pics of the artillery & crew that go with this set in the other Perry figures thread in the Counts Tavern. Should er merge these threads?
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Hi,
Don`t know if it`s old news, but the Perry brothers have made some nice looking late XV c plastic archers and bilmen.
http://www.rogue-market.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37488 (http://www.rogue-market.com/forums/showthread.php?p=37488)
And check out the price! 15 quid for 40 miniatures, beats anything I`ve seen hands down! I`m going to get some of these for my future marienburg project. They`ve got something mercenar-ish about them :icon_wink:.
EDIT: Sorry folks, don`t know how I`ve missed a 5 pages long thread. Serves me right for not visiting the forum fo 5 months :icon_frown:.