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Offline skinkslayer

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Hey, I LOVE doing comparisons and thought this was worth a shot.
Its also a pretty intresting thing to read....
and it was on the woodelf site. :ph34r:

So what in your mind do you think the most effective warhammer unit is (for point cost and tactics not story or paint job)
And what is the worst unit (A waste of points, completely inflexible and just, plain bad)
Also forgive me if someone has just recently done this.

Best Empire unit: Warrior Priest.
Worst Empire unit:Engineer
Best Warhammer unit:Skinks with Blowpipes :x
Worst Warhammer unit: High Elf Seaguard

yeah and If you could keep the layout like this.


Offline MiB

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Best Empire unit: Pistoliers
Worst Empire unit: Helstorm, seems to risky for my tastes
Best Warhammer unit: Dryads, hate them, hate them, hate them!  :icon_evil:
Worst Warhammer unit: Unsupported Zombies/Skeletons

Offline Fandir Nightshade

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Best Warhammer Unit:Clanrats (or even Slaves) cost/effectivness
Worst Warhammer Unit: Chaos Warriors on foot (dodos of the Warhammer world the all carry a shoot me sign)


Offline Warlord

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Best Empire unit: Knights
Worst Empire Unit: EASILY the Engineer

Best Warhammer Hero: Warlock Engineer
Best Core Warhammer Unit: Dark Riders
Best Special Warhammer Unit: Jezzails or WarDancers
Best Rare Warhammer Unit: Salamandars
Worst Warhammer Unit: Lothern Sea Guard (can't argue with that choice)
« Last Edit: June 19, 2007, 11:46:41 AM by Warlord »
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Offline fxgfg

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Best Empire Unit: Inner Circle Knights
Worst Empire Unit: Engineer
Best Warhammer Unit: Wild Riders
Worst Warhammer Unit: Phoenix Guard.

Offline klostpret

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Best Warhammer Core Unit: Dwarf Warriors (very effective, relative low price)
Worst Warhammer Core Unit: euh, Snotlings anyone?  :-D
Worst Warhammer Rare Unit: Snotling Pump Wagon
Best Empire Unit: Swordsmen!
Worst Empire Unit: Engineer

Offline Morden

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Heres mines from my gaming experance..
Best Empire unit:Swordsmen
Worst Empire unit:Engineer
Best Warhammer unit:Wardancers
Worst Warhammer unit:Skaven slaves
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Offline Phydox

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Best Empire unit: Greatswords-  Was a tossup between them and knights but, Greatswords are always reliable.
Worst Empire unit:  Engineer  would take them "for fun", never for a serious list.
Best Warhammer unit:  Bretonian Knights (Oh that Lance Formation!)
Worst Warhammer unit: Lizardmen Cavalry (Expensive!!)-they look awesome to model and paint though :icon_wink:
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Offline Elieress

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Heres mines from my gaming experance..
Best Empire unit:Swordsmen
Worst Empire unit:Engineer
Best Warhammer unit:Wardancers
Worst Warhammer unit:Skaven slaves

Odd... For the price, i would actually vote the Skaven slaves as the Best unit.
US 20,3 ranks, LD 10 (if close to the general)  for 40 points???  They have often beaten units worth 10 times as much for me...
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Offline Morden

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Heres mines from my gaming experance..
Best Empire unit:Swordsmen
Worst Empire unit:Engineer
Best Warhammer unit:Wardancers
Worst Warhammer unit:Skaven slaves

Odd... For the price, i would actually vote the Skaven slaves as the Best unit.
US 20,3 ranks, LD 10 (if close to the general)  for 40 points???  They have often beaten units worth 10 times as much for me...

This is only from my experance playing them the person wasnt proberly as experance to other skaven players and i found them easy to defeat in combat even with the LD 10 bonus but i am sure i'd say other wise when i play a really experanced player :).
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Offline ImperiusDominatus

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Best Empire unit: Swordsmen
Worst Empire unit: Will have to echo everyone and say Engineer
Best Warhammer unit: Skinks :dry:
Worst Warhammer unit: Sea Guard/Pheonix Guard... it's quite hard to decide which one sucks more.
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Offline Dendo Star

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Best Empire Unit:  IC Knights w/ Great Weapons
Worst Empire Unit:  Master Engineer

Best Warhammer Unit:  Black Knights
Worst Warhammer Unit:  Master Engineer  :icon_mad:
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Offline Gneisenau

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How about differing between units in the armybook sense of meaning and characters?

Best empire character: Archlector
Worst empire character: Engineer
Best empire unit: Swordsmen
Worst empire unit: Halberdiers

Best Warhammer character: Saurus Oldblood
Worst Warhammer character: Empire Engineer
Best Warhammer unit: Skinks
Worst Warhammer unit: Chime in and shout "Seaguard".

Offline dabber

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Best Empire unit: Great Cannon  - D6 wounds can solve almost any problem
Worst Empire unit: spearmen (hard choice)  I have come to respect the pigeon bombs, so I cannot choose the Engineer.

Best Warhammer unit: Dryads
Worst Warhammer unit: Sea Guard - I'd say Phoenix Guard, but someone might fail a fear test to charge the PG, allowing them to live another turn.  Sea Guard are certain to die.
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Offline Guvnor

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Best Empire unit has got to be the AL/WA. (although I accept it may not be a 'unit' as such.

The worst is almost definitely the engineer (then again, its a character again)

In the game, probably bret grail knights. Pointandclick, with no tactics required.

Worst is still probably our engineer, although the elven units mentioned are very bad. I had also considered VC bat swarms as I've never seen them used.
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Offline tyurtddr

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Best Empire: Great Cannon
Worst Empire: Mortar

Best Warhammer Core:Tomb King Light Chariot
Best Warhammer Rare: Grail Knights
Worst Warhammer Unit: Chosen Warriors of Nurgle

i was going to say lothern for worst cuz they are really bad, but chosen nurgle, your paying points to cause fear but you will never outnumer
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Offline Rufas the Eccentric

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Best Empire unit: Halberdiers (See rant in Imperial Office)  :engel:
Worst Empire unit: Pistoliers  (Mine always are dead by turn two)

There are still armies that I have never fought so I will refrain from the other half.
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Offline xerasi

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Best empire char: AL/alter
Best empire unit: Outriders/knights

Best warhammer unit: DoW duellists. (for 200 points you get 5 deployments that won't tell anything about your battle plan, show major lines in the enemies tactics/deployment, and work great 'in-game' as redirecters, baiters, and screens.

Worst warhammer unit: Gnoblars (even though they are dirt cheap, it's not uncommon that you see a unequipted light cav hold it's own 4 turns straight against such a unit).


Offline Dendo Star

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I hafta disagree on the Gnoblars.  I find both standard Gnoblar units of 20-25 and Gnoblar Trappers are freaking awesome.

I wish we could take Gnoblar Trappers as DoW.  :lol:

But a cheap infantry block that's walking static Combat Res?  Heck yeah they have uses!
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Offline Wyzer1

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Ooo fun, I love these (surprised by the results though)

Best Empire unit: Arch Lector on the War Altar (ITS "War" SPACE "Altar", not WALTER! Those are dwarves)
Worst Empire unit: Engineer (really... thats pretty obvious)
Best Warhammer unit: I'd pick a 2nd gen slann
Worst Warhammer unit: High Elf Seaguard (agreed)
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Offline catbarf

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Best Empire Unit: Swordsmen (good bang for the buck)
Worst Empire Unit: Helblaster (nerfed)
Best Warhammer Unit: Hobgoblins (2pts, same stats as a human but -1 I)
Other Best Warhammer Unit: Earthshaker (not only a stone thrower, but anyone within 2d6" of the blast moves half speed and can't fire on 4+, for 110pts)
Worst Warhammer Unit: Don't know.

Offline dWhisper

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Best Empire Unit: Greatswords (I simply won't make an army without them)
Worst Empire Unit: As much as I love the models and the purpose, the Engineer (bad cost value, no magic, wasted character slot)

Best all-around unit: Tough call, but I'd probably agree with the Dryads (a Core choice that skirmishes, causes Fear, is immune to psychology, and is bloody cheap to boot)
Worst all-around unit: Any variation of Chaos Warriors on foot (which is sad, since Chaos Knights are among the best)
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Offline Archaon

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Best Empire Unit: Knights
Worst Empire Unit: Halberd blocks

Best Warhammer Unit: Skinks with blowpipes/Grail Knights
Worst Warhammer Unit: DOW Birdmen.
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Offline skinkslayer

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I disagree Archaon, I reckon Kislev Grphyon Lancers are better than Knights for points and they are the best unit to take down Skinks.
Im off Knights now as my regualar unit of 12 IC knights with full command got  massacred by 15 skinks.
They shot at them and killed two, then the stand and shoot reaction killed another 3! :cry:
I killed 5 skinks and they rolled a double one to hold and I was then charged in the flank by a Sarus cavalry unit.
But Grpyhon rock against them.

Offline Fandir Nightshade

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why? because they only have 3+ armour save? or because the skinks have to make a coldblooded panic test (on 9 if the general is around) hmm I don't know