Topic: Empire Rules Queries - Hellblaster, Warrior Priest, Ruby Ring

[wilsonthenarc]

Hey All, I haven't been posting here much in the past few weeks.
I'd like to say there is a good excuse, but the secret (evil) answer is I have been playing a lot of Warriors of Chaos.
At least I am still playing WHFB (8th ish Edition). Yay!

Well, I played my Warriors against 2 Empire armies this weekend in a tourney.
It re-started my desire to play more Empire. I want to be the good guys again.

The drive home from the tourney got me thinking... about tactics, about army lists.

Q1: If I have a Hellblaster and an Engineer, do I get the best of both worlds?
Meaning - Do I get to use the Engineer's ability to re-roll a misfire result AND do I get his BS 4 stat for the Hellblaster shots?

Q2: (this is the DUHHH obvious one) Ruby Ring is a bound spell.
Do I get to use it turn after turn after turn? Is it 1-use only?
If I give it to a Captasus, is that a silly idea?

[Silver Wolf]

Q1: If I have a Hellblaster and an Engineer, do I get the best of both worlds?
Meaning - Do I get to use the Engineer's ability to re-roll a misfire result AND do I get his BS 4 stat for the Hellblaster shots?

Yes, but you can re-roll only one misfire.

Q2: (this is the DUHHH obvious one) Ruby Ring is a bound spell.
Do I get to use it turn after turn after turn? Is it 1-use only?
If I give it to a Captasus, is that a silly idea?

You can use it turn after turn.
It's a a good idea, since it gives you mobile firepower.
Oh, and a Witch hunter carrying Ruby Ring has killing blow against his chosen target, if I remember correctly.

[wilsonthenarc]

Thank you Silver Wolf.

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

Empire AB, p. 35:

"Master of Ballistics: If a Master Engineer is not fleeing, a single war machine within 3" of him can use his Ballistic Skill and re-roll one artillery dice during the Shooting phase. This cannot be the dice that determines the distance bounced by a Cannonball. You must nominate which war machine, if any, will be using this rule each Shooting phase before any war machines within 3" ofthe Master Engineer are lired. A Master Engineer cannot use this special rule and shoot with his own missile weapon in the same Shooting phase."
 


Regarding the Ruby Ring and Witch Hnters, Silver Wolf remebers correctly.

Empire AB Official Update Version 1.2, p. 2:

Q: If a Witch Hunter is equipped with a magic item such as the Ring of Volans or the Ruby Ring of Ruin, will any bound spell effects/magic missiles retain the Killing Blow special rule against the target of the Witch Hunter’s Accusation rule? (p37)
A: Yes.

[wilsonthenarc]

Thank you Fidelis, as always.

[wilsonthenarc]

Why is there no way to put a Warrior Priest on a Horse?
I'd love a unit of IC Knights with Hatred. Oh well.

Also, no way to put a Witch Hunter on a Horse?
He would be a more legit assassin if he could move faster.

[Locke]

Warrior priests can get into a horse and equip said horse with barding. It's witch hunters the ones stuck on foot.

[CarolineWellwater]

(( wilsonthearc,

As Locke said, a Warrior Priest can be on horseback (Empire Book, Page 89).  I have one of my Warrior Priestess on Horseback, and she's awesome with my Vanheim 75th cavalry.  (As a self-plug, you can see my conversion here: http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php/topic,49950.0.html )  Anyway, she helps a ton from keeping them from being "Knights of the Nerf Lance".  It's also fun to give your Knights "Soulfire", which gives the Flamming... and sometimes Fear too!  A goodly number of players don't realize that Flamming causes Fear against some types of units.

Also, as an aside on the Warrior Priest, don't forget now your Priests can attempt to cast all of their Prayers in the same turn.  In previous editions, you could chose one Prayer for them to attempt a turn.  Now you can try for all three.  And since you only need 3+ to cast them, you can attempt to slim-cast Prayers on 1d6, with a pretty decent chance of success, if you have a low-power magic phase.

I'd be happy if the Witch Hunter could get a crossbow.  I mean, really, it's a giant-stake thrower!  How can you not be a Vampire Hunter, and not want to chuck stakes with such force as to impale Vampires to trees!?!  Yes, I know it's "Witch Hunter"... but "Vampire Hunter" is cooler, to me.  And sometimes you just need to go for style points.  Shoot, as an aside, one of the best conversions I'd seen was a Witch Hunter redone to look like Vampire Hunter D.  It was epic.  EPIC!

As for your Engineer and Volley Gun, something to keep in mind.  While he can only re-roll one artillery die, sometimes, it is worth it to try to re-roll, in order to get 3 MISFIRE results.  And, I think the Engineer still gets his "Stand Back Sir!" roll during the ensuing explosion.

In my opinion, one problem with the Ruby Ring, it does not self-power, meaning it does not generate its own Power Die in order to try to cast its spell.  You have to pull a Power Die from your pool of dice.  In comparison, the Hurricanum and the Altar of Souls do self-power.

Anyway, just some quick thoughts. ))

[wilsonthenarc]

Could I put a Warrior Priest on Horseback AND
Have him join my unit of 5 DemiGryph Knights?
I don't see why not?

He would give them HATRED. Wow. Powerful, even with the mis-match in troop type.
I'll need to re-reed the rules on a character joining a unit with troop type mis-match.

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

He can join DGK. However, the DG mounts do no longer benefit from his presence.

Empire AB Official Update Version 1.2, p.1:
Q: Do a Warrior Priest’s Righteous Fury and Battle Prayers affect his unit’s mounts? (p36)
A: No.

[wilsonthenarc]

He can join DGK. However, the DG mounts do no longer benefit from his presence.

Empire AB Official Update Version 1.2, p.1:
Q: Do a Warrior Priest’s Righteous Fury and Battle Prayers affect his unit’s mounts? (p36)
A: No.

You are 100% right.
I do remember someone showing me this FAQ Update.

[wilsonthenarc]

I have a unit of Swordsmen. They are joined by a Warrior Priest.
The Swordsmen have a base 6+ parry ward save.
The Priest casts his blessing spell to give the unit a 5+ ward save.
Do these two ward saves "stack" to give the unit a 4+ ward save?

[commandant]

No.

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

What commandant says. A parry save is a ward save and "different ward saves cannot be combined to increase a model's chance of saving. If a model has more than one ward save, simply use the best" (BRB p. 44).
Remember, however, that MR is a bonus to the ward save and therefore stacks with ward saves.

[wilsonthenarc]

We had the Priest Spell criss-crossed with MR

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

Note that the Shield of Faith gives a "ward save against all wounds inflicted  in Close Combat," while MR is a bonus to the ward save "against damage caused by spells." So, SoF + MR would only work against spells that cause wounds in CC (and not, for instance, CC attacks that have been augmented by spells). So, it would only work against things like the S4/S5 hit of Soulfire.

[The Peacemaker]

about the ruby ring:
You can use it every turn but because it is a bound item if you roll an irresistible force then it can't cast anymore after that.
This is in the bound spells/items section in the rules.
Note: only bound ITEMS are affected like this. Innate spells are not.