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Title: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 25, 2017, 01:38:04 PM
Here is a link to a kickstarter featuring 28mm Landsknechts ...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1704581903/28mm-landschneckts

Seem to have a decent selection, and I'm tempted by the Company Group.

It looks like they have enough pledged already for providing a mounted general and artillery crew.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 25, 2017, 02:33:41 PM
And looks like there's been enough pledged to create 2 cavalry figures. :icon_biggrin:

I pledged for the Company Group. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 25, 2017, 03:42:27 PM
I just counted the number of figures in the Company Group, and with postage it comes out to $1.61 per figure. :icon_biggrin:

And get this ... they're going to be cast in metal. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Zygmund on January 25, 2017, 05:11:03 PM
Thanks for posting this!

He promised comparison photos with other companies' figures two days ago. Will check those and then decide.  :-)

-Z
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 25, 2017, 06:11:10 PM
New picture of newest completed sculpts is up ... standard bearer (right hand to be reworked) and handgunner loading.

I like they are going to have head swaps available so the figures can be more variable in nature.

Also, stretch goals updated ... current level of funding is £1446 or approx. $1800

£500 - mounted general
£1,000 - pack of four mounted knights
£1,500 - mounted officer
£2,000 - pack of four character figures
£2,500 - pack of four looters
£3,000 - camp followers
£3,500 - artillery crew

Looking forward to the mounted general, 4 knights, mounted officer, and character figures.  Maybe the looters and followers.  Definitely hoping for the cannon crew!

The Company Group provides ...

8 Command
16 unarmoured pike
16 armoured pike
8 two handed swordsmen
8 handgunner

Hoping to add 8 attacking pikemen if the opportunity is provided through the pledge managing system.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Von Trinkenessen on January 25, 2017, 06:44:22 PM
Thanks for this Games Poet beat me to it. :biggriin: :biggriin:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Victor on January 26, 2017, 07:47:00 PM
Some parts look promising, but overall I'm not very impressed. The sculpting could be better (all the feet are too small for example).
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on January 27, 2017, 04:44:24 AM
I've also got mixed feelings about them. Some good, some not as much.

Plus it's a range that I feel already has a lot of great options, between Artizan, Foundry, TAG, some of the small fantasy oriented ranges/companies, and even Old Glory's landsknechts are one of their better ranges. I'm still waiting on either plastics. Or even a more affordable version of what Werewoolf did (very nice landsknecht/renaissance bodies that will work with the extra plastic Empire arms & heads.)
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 27, 2017, 06:14:51 PM
I like the price point per figure under the kickstarter, and the style.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Von Trinkenessen on January 27, 2017, 09:02:28 PM
I like the dodgy gritty look some of them have , too many landsknecht figures are too clean.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 27, 2017, 09:35:37 PM
The campaign is up over 2000 pounds, and so the character figures will now be sculpted. :icon_biggrin:

Let's see it reach 3,500 so we can get our hands on the artillery crew! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on January 27, 2017, 10:03:10 PM
I was looking at the deals, and I am not sure if I understand the period enough, but is the balance of the pledges accurate between the various armed troops?

Pike & Shotte, ECW era, seems to have / suggest an equal balance of pikes and muskets - 16 Pikemen in one block, and then 2 stands of 8 muskets either side.
It is almost like you need to commit to 2 pledges to get the right balance - say a Hand Gunner Company at £35.00 and then either of the Armoured or Unarmoured Pike Groups at £55.00?

The Company Group at £65.00 looks shy of handgunners.
I have noticed you can swop Halberds for pikes on some figures, but does it depend on the period of the 'renaissance' on the mix of troops.

I could probably check my various books, but I am sure certain members can explain it quicker and more succinctly.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 28, 2017, 05:03:51 PM
The pike and gendarme were the mainstay of the early renaissance period, middle of the 1400s.  There is record of arquebus being used that early, and mixed in with crossbowmen, yet initial quantity of shot was 7% to 10%.  The landsknechts started making their appearance as early as the 1470s, and I've read 50 and 75 handgunners to 400 pikes, which is 12.5% to 18.75% into the early 1500s.  I'm not familiar with swordsman ratios.

So with the Company Group being 8 command, 16 unarmored pike, 16 armored pike, that's 40,and with 8 handgunners, this makes 20%, which seems close enough.

Eventually, the Spanish developed the pike, shot, and sword units of the early tericos with 1/3 pikes, 1/3 shot, 1/3 swordsmen.  At a later point, maybe before the 1530s, and it seems by the 1530s, it began to become more of a 50/50 pike and shot mix, although my recall could be flawed.  I'm not sure when the two handed swordsmen stopped being part of the mix.  And further along into the latter half of the 1500s there could be found twice as many shot as pike, but by that time the puff and slash Landsknecht styles had disappeared.

I've asked if there will be opportunity to add more from some of the other pledge opportunities at some point, and will keep you posted on what might be learned.

The stretch goal list has been amended and now reads like this ...

£500 - mounted general
£1,000 - pack of four mounted knights
£1,500 - mounted officer
£2,000 - pack of four character figures
£2,500 - mounted standard bearer
£3,000 -pack of four crossbowmen
£3,500 - mounted priest
£4,000 - pack of four 'resting' soldiers

They've currently reached over 2,000.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on January 28, 2017, 06:24:44 PM
Thanks GP - that helps a lot.

What happened to the artillery crew?

Being able to buy extra units in some way above a single pledge - like Westfalia has allowed - would be good.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on January 28, 2017, 06:46:08 PM
I replied last night, but a glitch in the Matrix seems to have deleted it. I think GP covered it all much better than my brief comment. The only thing I would add is to keep in mind that the ECW was a good 100 years later, and tactics, armies, and fashion had all evolved into something distinct from the time of these landsknechts.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 28, 2017, 11:48:13 PM
Thanks GP - that helps a lot.

What happened to the artillery crew?

Being able to buy extra units in some way above a single pledge - like Westfalia has allowed - would be good.
I agree regarding how Westfalia did it being good, and lets hope so.

It was my request regarding crossbowmen that seemed to add that to the list.  However, I'd much rather have artillery men over the "resting soldiers".  I'm going to make such a comment.

Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on January 29, 2017, 12:43:43 AM
Where's the postage info? I'm still thinking about backing the project.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 29, 2017, 04:28:05 AM
On 65 pounds, I got charged 10 pounds postage.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 29, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
By the way, it looks like the postage is 10 pounds no matter where the items are shipped.

Also, I've now seen it is going to be possible to buy extra groups of 4 figures after a person has made a pledge, but this hasn't been set up yet.  I'll keep checking in on this.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 30, 2017, 09:15:08 PM
Two changes to campaign ...

1.  After making a regular pledge, folks participating in the campaign will be able to tack on additional groups of 4 infantry or 2 cavalry for 5 pounds each.

As an example, I pledged the Company Group and added on 1 group of 4 swordsmen (5) and 1 of 4 handgunners (5), plus 8 attacking/advancing pikemen (10), and 4 cavalry (10), which added 30 pounds to my 65 pound pledge plus 10 for postage = 105 pounds.

You'll need to add the dollar amount into your pledge amount when you make the pledge to be able to get the additional groups of 4 infantry or 2 cavalry.

They will send out emails regarding this, and if there's an issue contact me, and hopefully I'll see what can be done.

2.  At my request, they have added a Skirmish & Collectors option at 40 pounds where a person can pledge to get one of each figure including the ones with head swaps and the stretch goals.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 31, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
Looks like the campaign hit 2500 pounds when two folks pledged for the collectors/skirmish option, yes! :icon_biggrin:

It needs 3000 pounds for the 4 crossbowmen, and 3500 for a mounted priest ... let's support this project! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 01, 2017, 04:12:55 PM
The artillery crew is back on the list!

The stretch goals have been updated further ...

£500 - mounted general
£1,000 - pack of four mounted knights
£1,500 - mounted officer
£2,000 - pack of four character figures
£2,500 - mounted standard bearer
£3,000 -pack of four crossbowmen
£3,500 - mounted priest
£4,000 - pack of four artillery crew
£4,500 - pack of camp follows
£5,000 - pack of clergy
£5,500 - pack of 'at rest' troops

Currently funded at about £2800, and this means only £200 more to the 4 crossbowmen!

And I'd love to see the campaign make it to the artillery crew at £4000.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 01, 2017, 05:48:55 PM
I see the add-on facility to get extra figures on to a pledge doesn't seem to have worked.

The one of each pledge is ok, but really he should have had a couple more options between the £65 (56 figures) and £160 (148 figures) pledges.

Certainly one that gave you a unit of all the troop types - and maybe balanced with a couple of companies  4 Command + 16 pike (Unit 20)
with 8 Handgunners and 8 Zweihanders, and then repeat but swap one of the 'detachments' for a unit of halberds ( the advancing mini - could really do with another body or two in that type).
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 01, 2017, 08:24:13 PM
I see the add-on facility to get extra figures on to a pledge doesn't seem to have worked.
I explained how the add on works in a post further back on the thread.

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The one of each pledge is ok, but really he should have had a couple more options between the £65 (56 figures) and £160 (148 figures) pledges.
Do you have a proposal?  It might not be too late for me to ask, and then you can pledge at that level!

However, there is a way as mentioned regarding upgrading the Company Group or other pledges.

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Certainly one that gave you a unit of all the troop types - and maybe balanced with a couple of companies  4 Command + 16 pike (Unit 20)
with 8 Handgunners and 8 Zweihanders, and then repeat but swap one of the 'detachments' for a unit of halberds ( the advancing mini - could really do with another body or two in that type).
The Company Group gives 8 command, 16 unarmored pike, 16 armored pike, plus 8 hangunners and 8 Zweihanders.  And it was mentioned that the pikemen are being made without weapons so that they can be used for halberds or pikes, so ... if the process is followed for adding extra groups of infantry at 4 figures each and someone wants 8 figures to use as halberds for each block then that's 65 pounds for the Company Group + 4 x 4 for 20 pounds + 10 pounds postage = 95 pounds.

I agree regarding the advancing pikeman, and also wasn't thrilled with only 2 bodies for the handgunners, although at least the latter gets 4 heads.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 02, 2017, 09:21:46 AM
I see the add-on facility to get extra figures on to a pledge doesn't seem to have worked.
I explained how the add on works in a post further back on the thread.

January 29th Update (15 ?) was my source. I wasn't sure if you could alter the value of your pledge yourself to allow for the extras you email him about.



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The one of each pledge is ok, but really he should have had a couple more options between the £65 (56 figures) and £160 (148 figures) pledges.
Do you have a proposal?  It might not be too late for me to ask, and then you can pledge at that level!


The company group is 56 figures - but I consider it slightly odd as it has 2 blocks of pike and only 2 support 'detachments'
 - My proposal in the post above was of effectively 2 Blocks with 4 'detachments
 
8 Command
16 Armoured Pike
16 Unarmoured Pike
16 Handgunners
8 Zweihanders
8 Advancing
Gives you 72 figures

There could be a bigger version of that if you wanted.
Currently it jumps from a deal with 56 figures to the top pledge involving 148 figures
So something at 96 or 112 would fit the balance?
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Zygmund on February 02, 2017, 10:34:54 AM
The company group is 56 figures - but I consider it slightly odd as it has 2 blocks of pike and only 2 support 'detachments'

I think it's one Landsknecht Keil, with armored pikemen (20) in front and unarmored (20) in back, a centre of command & colours (8) protected by Zweihänders (8), and a frontline/detachment of arquebusiers (8). The proportions of different equipment fit very well early 16th century Landsknecht formations.

So a historically oriented set, which has little to do with Warhammer-style fantasy gaming.

-Z
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 02, 2017, 12:10:39 PM
Thanks for the explanation Zyg

As you will have seen from my earlier posts I don't know too much about the historical formations of this period, and indeed am influenced by WHFB structure.

I tend to buy figures because I like them, and then look at game usage - this time I was trying to be a bit more sensible  :biggriin:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 02, 2017, 01:30:42 PM
I see the add-on facility to get extra figures on to a pledge doesn't seem to have worked.

I explained how the add on works in a post further back on the thread.

January 29th Update (15 ?) was my source. I wasn't sure if you could alter the value of your pledge yourself to allow for the extras you email him about.


Yes, the pledge amount can be altered in pounds or dollars yourself, but not until after the initial pledge is made.



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The one of each pledge is ok, but really he should have had a couple more options between the £65 (56 figures) and £160 (148 figures) pledges.
Do you have a proposal?  It might not be too late for me to ask, and then you can pledge at that level!

The company group is 56 figures - but I consider it slightly odd as it has 2 blocks of pike and only 2 support 'detachments'
 - My proposal in the post above was of effectively 2 Blocks with 4 'detachments
 
8 Command
16 Armoured Pike
16 Unarmoured Pike
16 Handgunners
8 Zweihanders
8 Advancing
Gives you 72 figures

There could be a bigger version of that if you wanted.
Currently it jumps from a deal with 56 figures to the top pledge involving 148 figures
So something at 96 or 112 would fit the balance?


72 - 56 = 16 figures, which fits the example numbers wise that I showed in my last post, and thus the cost would be the same.  However, I'll see if there is a willingness for an option in between the 56 figures and the 148.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 02, 2017, 02:36:15 PM
Here's what I provided them ...

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It was noticed by one person interested in pledging that there is a significant difference between the Company Group and the Army Group 65 pounds for 56 figures and 160 pounds for 148 figures.  It was being wondered if there could be a level of pledging somewhere in between?
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 02, 2017, 02:50:32 PM
And I gave these examples ...

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For 72:

8 Command
16 Armoured Pike
16 Unarmoured Pike
16 Handgunners
8 Two handed swordsmen
8 Attacking pike/halberd

For 92:

12 Command
16 Unarmoured pike
16 Armoured pike
16 Two handed swordsmen
16 Attacking pike/halberd
16 Handgunner
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 02, 2017, 03:16:34 PM
By the way, the guy who is doing this kickstarter, here is his site for buying other miniatures ...

http://www.heroesofthedarkage.co.uk/

This is a small operation, but it seems to be of quality.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 02, 2017, 03:24:58 PM
And here is a link for shopping at his site ... :icon_lol: ...

http://www.heroesofthedarkage.co.uk/ourshop/

He carries a good looking dragon, some beasts (no orcs yet), a line of Franco Prussian War figures, mammoths, resin buildings, and some steam punk figures.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 03, 2017, 05:14:30 AM
Ok ... it's been added in as a pledge level at 85 pounds ...

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For 72:

8 Command
16 Armoured Pike
16 Unarmoured Pike
16 Handgunners
8 Two handed swordsmen
8 Attacking pike/halberd

I'm very likely going to upgrade my pledge to this.

If you're a WFB Empire player, this is the pledge level for you! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: The Peacemaker on February 03, 2017, 06:59:15 AM
The demand for historicals is strong!
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 03, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
I've upgraded my pledge from the Company Group to the Battle Group which gives me ...

8 command, 16 unarmored pike, 16 armored pike, 8 zweihanders, 16 arquebuses, and 8 attacking pike.  This gives two blocks of 20 pike + 4 command for 24 each, plus 4 zweihanders for 28 each.  Plus 8 arquebuses for each block.

I also pledged for 4 more arquebuses and zweihanders, to have 2 groups of 10 gunners and one group of 12 swordsmen.  Plus I added in 4 more cavalry figures and 8 more crossbowmen, and with the stretch goals of 4 & 4 that'll bring me to 8 and 12.

I'm hoping to use these for both WFB and historical gaming.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 05, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
Ok - I have pledged and added extra money to cover the additional figures I want.

He says email him detailing what extras you want - but I cannot see where the email address is?
Does he mean in the comments bit on the KS page?

Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 06, 2017, 02:01:58 PM
Nope.  There is some sort of messaging system tied in with Kickstarter, but he may be the one that needs to initiate it.  When there's a free moment, I'll send along a note to him, and see what happens.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 06, 2017, 02:10:04 PM
It's Ok -  I had a message from him via KS.

Though his maths needs some work - there was £10 for postage added to my pledge plus £20 for 4 extra packs - and he told me I had £30 to spend - so free postage :icon_question:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 06, 2017, 07:34:12 PM
Good to learn.  He probably just forgot the postage.  And now you have a way to contact him directly. :::cheers:::
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 07, 2017, 01:20:42 PM
The mounted priest has been reached with the stretch goals, and at the moment there is about 350 pounds more to go to reach the artillery crew!
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 08, 2017, 12:58:11 PM
Just a little over 150 pounds to reach the artillery crew. :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 08, 2017, 01:11:29 PM
Just a little over 150 pounds to reach the artillery crew. :icon_biggrin:

Good, because that is something I might buy an extra set of.  :engel:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 08, 2017, 05:40:52 PM
Yep!  I'm in for an extra if it makes it that far.  It was one of the bonus things that initially attracted me to pledging, and then the cheese disappeared, and then reappeared, but further down the line.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 09, 2017, 02:05:45 PM
Less than 50 pounds to reach the artillery crew! :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 09, 2017, 08:59:43 PM
Only 9 pounds away form the artillery crew!

And there are new pictures up of a priest, a paymaster, and an attacking swordsman.

- - -

Midaski ... looks like we got a third person to join us in the Battle Group.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 09, 2017, 10:09:13 PM
Only 9 pounds away form the artillery crew!


Well you and I should add a £5 each ...........................  :engel:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 10, 2017, 12:13:10 AM
 :icon_lol:

The plan is to get an extra pack of artillery men, so might as well ...
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 10, 2017, 01:06:03 AM
By the time I got there and logged in to the site, it had already topped 4,000 pounds.

I added in 5 pounds to my pledge for the extra artillery crew anyway.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 10, 2017, 12:03:41 PM
Somebody backed out of their pledge and the campaign is back down below 4,000 pounds.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Von Trinkenessen on February 10, 2017, 12:56:03 PM
How annoying :icon_confused:
I got my permission slip signed before pledging :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :biggriin:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 10, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
My understanding is that towards the end of campaigns there are folks that back out at the last minute.

Hopefully we'll get some last minute folks to pledge!
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 10, 2017, 02:50:03 PM
There's a whole 7 days to go yet, and it needs £7.00

I am watching  :engel:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 10, 2017, 03:08:28 PM
Yep, not concerned at this point, it's too little of an amount.

I'd enjoy seeing the campaign make it to the group of priests level, but not expecting it.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 10, 2017, 04:23:12 PM
Looks like someone pledged for a Company Group so it's back up over 4,000 pounds again, and this time a decent distance. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Zygmund on February 10, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Get me right on this:

If I choose a pledge level that says 'Entitled to all stretch goals', I'll get any and all figures listed in the stretch goals for free?

Which at this point is 20 figures, nearly half of them 'character' figures? Which would mean that a Company Group of 56 figures would become 76 figures, at £65 + postage (£10 I hear)?

One pound per one good-quality 28mm metal figure!

-Z
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 10, 2017, 10:51:53 PM
Yep - that's the deal.

You can also buy extra sets at £5 per pack
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 11, 2017, 03:55:13 AM
Yep, metal figures at 1 pound per figure, what an awesome price point! :icon_biggrin:

And these Landsknechts look good and could easily pass for Empire troops or historical. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 13, 2017, 04:11:35 PM
Only 71 pounds away from the next stretch goal. :::cheers:::

Not sure it'll make it to the pack of 4 priests (571 pounds away) when the campaign ends in 4 days, but that'll be cool if it does.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 13, 2017, 06:17:56 PM
Just noticed that a 4th person signed up for the Battle Group. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 13, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
Looks like stretch goals were amended again!

Currently reached ...
£500 - mounted general
£1,000 - pack of four mounted knights
£1,500 - mounted officer
£2,000 - pack of four character figures
£2,500 - mounted standard bearer
£3,000 -pack of four crossbowmen
£3,500 - mounted priest
£4,000 - pack of four artillery crew

Almost reached ...
£4,500 - surgeon and assistant

Not reached yet ...
£5,000 - baggage mule
£5,500 - camp followers
£6,000 - soldiers at rest
£6,500 - 'camp' - two resin tents (small)
£7,000 - 'camp' - two resin tents (large)

Apparently and according to the newest update, there is not an expectation of getting much further along on these stretch goals, but instead listing them to let folks know what they are planning beyond the campaign.

And they are also planning a Kickstarter after Easter for Swiss and Italians.

So the pack of 4 priest idea seems to have disappeared, and I guess that means the one that has been shown will be in one of the packs, hopefully as a character since that stretch goal has already been achieved.

Also, I like the idea of a surgeon and assistant, so hopefully it at least makes it the next 71 pounds or so.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 13, 2017, 09:15:23 PM

"............. and a priest and paymaster from the 'character' set"

down under the recent picture of the new figures.
I think he got some flak in the comments section that priests were not common.

Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 14, 2017, 12:35:13 AM
Yep, I'm ok with the one, good point on them being from the character group.  Plus there is going to be one that is mounted, too!
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 14, 2017, 11:03:54 AM
Up over 4,600 pounds so the surgeon and assistant have been reached!

Only 3 days to go!
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 14, 2017, 08:25:13 PM
As the campaign begins wrapping up with only 3 days to go, here's a question ...

Are you planning to use the figures you get from this campaign for WFB, historicals, or both :icon_question:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Von Trinkenessen on February 14, 2017, 09:37:48 PM
For the Von Trinkenessen Chronicles ,the pikes for Gotz of the iron hand (Von Berlichingen).
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Konrad von Richtmark on February 15, 2017, 11:27:23 AM
Camps and camp followers, but only a handful different poses for the actual soldiers? Doesn't look like they have their priorities straight to me.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 15, 2017, 01:24:23 PM
The camps and camp followers are stretch goals.  Believe my disappointment was previously expressed regarding the lack of intended hand gunner options, but I'm not concerned with the other troop types, and could see my self doing some converting as well.  At the same time, the price point per figure and style of figures has attracted me to pledging, and I can pick up other figures for this era as well.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 17, 2017, 12:41:23 AM
With less than 24 hours to go, campaign up over 5,500 pounds, so the camp followers are going to be available as a stretch goal.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 17, 2017, 12:31:11 PM
With under 8 hours to go the campaign is close to 6,000 pounds with 97 folks who have pledged!
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Zygmund on February 17, 2017, 01:35:31 PM
A small push at the right moment...  :lol:

This has been a tremendous campaign, and Mr. Holmes is very generous with the Stretch Goals. They're a battalion on their own, for free! Can't wait to see the cavalry figures sculpted.

Gonna mix these with some Foundry & Perry, base them on larger bases divisible by 20mm squares, and use them wherever they're most efficient.  :-)

-Z
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Konrad von Richtmark on February 17, 2017, 02:20:05 PM
I know the camp followers are stretch goals, but they should have made a higher priority of making more poses of rank and file soldiers. When it comes to monopiece metal soldiers (rather than kits of bitz you can assemble like you want), there should be enough poses available that you don't notice there's a limited number of poses when casting a quick glance at a ranked unit.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 17, 2017, 02:44:11 PM
Keep in mind that they are also planning to provide heads for swapping, so I think this is still going to be excellent.  Factor in the style and price per figure ... this has been excellent.

They have 100 backers and over 6,000 pounds ... so all the figures are going to be available for the stretch goals, and they seem to still want to make the tents anyway.

Only 5 hours remaining!
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 17, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
With 3 hours to go, only 100 pounds away from reaching the small tents stretch goal.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Zygmund on February 17, 2017, 05:14:56 PM
To some degree, I agree with Konrad. There's a lot of repetition. It will be partly shadowed by the colourful Landsknecht uniforms. But I'm happy to have some Landsknechts from other companies, to even out the repetitious poses.

The heap of stretch goal models has made those smaller lots with 'Entitled to all stretch goals' very very cost efficient. If you count two footmen for one rider, they're around 60 pence per footman and £ 1.20 per rider, shipping included! My hunch is that Mr. Holmes clearly didn't believe it would get this far. Maybe I should increase my bid just to give the man more credit?

-Z
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 17, 2017, 05:56:40 PM
I've pledged for the Battle Group and then added in some extra groups of 4 infantry and 2 cavalry.

Looking forward to receiving these! :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on February 17, 2017, 06:30:48 PM
I think it went a lot better than he thought it would.

The original target was only £100 and he had monies to pay for the basic sculpts already.
He has said that this funding is actually paying for the stretch goal items.

The £40 - one of everything with all the stretch goals was too low.

In my opinion he would have been better with:
- Less stretch goals - maybe one every £1000
- Higher Stretch Goal qualification, maybe £50 or £60 minimum
- Then more basic trooper models variation.

But I'm happy with what I have hopefully got from the KS  :biggriin:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 17, 2017, 10:58:25 PM
Wow, it got all the way to 6,714 pounds, so that includes the 2 small tents.

If I recall, the 40 pounds Skirmish/Collectors pledge matched the cost of those figures if bought individually.

My sense is this was successful for him.  Those who pledged saw enough value and will get enough, while the manufacturer get what he wanted to do and broaden the line further than originally planned.  A good deal all the way around.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Zygmund on February 18, 2017, 08:40:08 AM
Yeah, I also think it was a good deal to both parties.  :-D

Just somewhere in the progress, when new stretch goals kept adding up, I made the calculation that bidding for the smallest deal with "entitled to all stretch goals" was getting you individual figures (and character & cavalry figures at that) considerably cheaper than going for the big deals. Now, personally, I was on a tight budget anyway, and in the end did push my bid up two steps. But this might have had an influence on bidder behavior.

I don't think this is actually relevant here, and I think all parties are (and will be) very happy. It's just showing that Mr. Holmes didn't see what was coming, and didn't plan/calculate that far. He adjusted midway, but was still sure it wouldn't go that far. In the end it approached filling even the last stretch goal. I think Midaski's phasing might have been more realistic. (But am happy it wasn't like that.)

Some kickstarters have succumbed because of the burden of promised stretch goals. When Mr. Holmes says he will produce everything and keep the timeline, I have faith. And it doesn't matter for me if it takes longer than June. I've never had a Kickstarter deliver when promised, and even big companies like Reaper tend to be 6 months late.

Will definitely have a look at the coming Italian & Swiss lines!  :-)

-Z
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Konrad von Richtmark on February 18, 2017, 01:05:17 PM
I really didn't know you could start your own metal miniatures production with that low initial start-up costs. Makes me wonder why more wannabe artists haven't done that.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on February 18, 2017, 04:03:25 PM
The guy already has a miniatures company, he doesn't seem to be a start up.  He was already investing time, effort and money into this project prior to having the kickstarter campaign to generate more financing for more figures.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Zygmund on December 18, 2018, 12:04:13 PM
Finally got my Landsknechts from this KS. They're exactly as promised, and the quality is fine.

Too bad it took this long, as my priorities have shifted somewhat. Too bad this KS cost Adam the range (he had to sell it to cover the whole recasting process), but I greatly appreciate that he lived up to his word to deliver what he promised.

Anyone else got theirs? What are you planning to do with them now, after a year and a half of waiting?

-Z
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on December 18, 2018, 04:51:07 PM
My expectation was that I'd be receiving these towards the end, and it is my understanding they are on the way.

The plan is likely to paint them for historical gaming, so the units won't likely be used for WFB, probably not painted as units in uniform, and instead more along the lines of each figure being slightly different in clothing color.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Zygmund on December 19, 2018, 07:11:05 AM
I have the same plan of painting: kinda proper historical Landsknecht look. And a massed formation with different weapons present. Also love the cavalry and the camp followers. Might paint some of them right away when my winter holiday starts.  :happy:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Il Condottiero on December 19, 2018, 11:40:39 AM
Woah, nice find.

These are looking great! Even better than the old Pro Gloria [currently Warlord's] to me.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on December 19, 2018, 07:47:17 PM
I got mine a couple of weeks ago - generally pleased, though I have queried a couple of things.

I was missing a set of 4 Handgunners, BUT got an extra set of Zweihanders. Not too fussed as I have the Warlord/ProGloria plastics which I am hoping I will be able to do some matching figures with.

However I did not get any pikes, and I am pretty certain they were promised early on as 'included'.

Lastly I did not get any tents - which were a stretch goal - and I haven't seen any recent mention of them.


Not too fussed about it as it was a pretty good value KS, and Adam does seem to have been shafted by the original casters. The pictures he posted of some of their work, which started the complaints, seemed very shabby casts.
As with most things these days, I am planning to base these on 20mm square and then use them in both historical or fantasy games.
What I love about the 'Landsknecht' minis is the random multi-colour painting one can use, to offset the "regimented" look of my other human units.



Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on December 20, 2018, 02:39:27 AM
Hmmm ... handgunners replaced by Zweihanders.  Hopefully that doesn't mean the handgunners aren't available.

Halberds were going to be available as well as the pikes, although due to the issue with the original caster, not surprised.

If I recall there may have been something about the tents not being produced, but could be wrong.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Midaski on December 20, 2018, 11:46:05 AM
I got some handgunners - just not the right number of packs.
They were in sets of 4, and I added various extras to my base pledge.

I've got quite a few steel pikes already from NorthStar and Warlord Games, so no real worries, - it was just that they were mentioned.

Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on December 20, 2018, 11:39:17 PM
Good to learn on the handgunners. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: Von Trinkenessen on December 24, 2018, 12:22:29 PM
I have got two of the small tents , I think the problem with the tents were that they were very fragile and easily damaged.
I think we have to wait and see with the new owner who I met at Devises in the summer when I collected my replacements from Adam.

I've just started to paint the hand gunners last week.
Title: Re: 28mm Landsknechts on Kickstarter ...
Post by: GamesPoet on January 18, 2019, 01:20:16 PM
Received my order this past Monday.  There was a mix up on the PO Box, yet the USPS got it to me anyway.

I love the figures!  Have enough for a small mercenary army.  So many cool figures!

I've gone through them once quickly, and it seems the full order is there, and then some.  I am peached!

 :icon_biggrin: :icon_cool: :eusa_clap: :::cheers:::