Topic: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS

[Champildhir]

While "more than a few" is correct, it may give a bit the wrong impression. True, 25% spent more than 250$, but 56% spent nothing at all.

Which also gives a wrong and biased impression about the game: out of that 56% I am sure that there are people who do like the game and are just waiting for their favourite faction to come out to get their wallet empty. I am for one waiting for the Aelfs (and also bought the starter set and just bought the new Archaon). That % is actually quite in the direction that the game is working out pretty well for GW: just 5 months, and half of the potential gamers have invested money on it. Give it a year, with a more complete version of the game out, and that % will have increased significantly.

[Baron von Klatz]

Indeed, given enough time and effort put into it by GW and AoS may see some very positive results.

The main problem with that poll is that it allowed anyone, even those who don't play AoS and just wanted to be negative, to anwser. The upside of AoS is that it does allow those with tight purse strings to enjoy it with not needing to purchase numerous rulebooks.

[patsy02]

It's a young game, but still, 56% of users in a warhammer forum actually buying warhammer isn't terribly impressive.

Edit: On the other hand, maybe it's to be expected when you don't necessarily have to buy new models to play the game.

[StealthKnightSteg]

It's that I started with Stormcast, if not I would still have been waiting on the free people releases, or maybe expanded on Seraphon already.

[Oxycutor]

Wonder what we would get with the same poll on this forum?   Although, given the track record since last summer it's better not to run one.

[Baron von Klatz]

Yeah, I don't think AoS polls will go very well with the old guard around.

Anyway, the new Tzeentch model is out.

http://eefl.freeforums.net/thread/98/new-archaon-model?page=3

I was wondering when this fiend would show up after seeing his picture several months ago.

[S.O.F]

Yeah, I don't think AoS polls will go very well with the old guard around.

That would suggest there is some sort of new guard, but as posting and traffic has been down since AoS on pretty much all the Warhammer related places I visit (W-E, Bugman's, Ogre Stronghold, TWF, and at least the random rumor check on Warseer) I don't think, at least in the form of internet forum posters, they actually exist. I mean I believe people when they say that locally that AoS has worked but from my Warhammer forum going standpoint I can only see adverse effects. Has anyone started up a pure AoS board, I've not discovered it with google?

[Baron von Klatz]

Haha, sorry if that sounded mean spirited, I meant no offense by that.

I find alot of AoS activities, projects and conversations in the general warhammer forums and dakkadakka.

I'm looking for AoS forums as well, I'll certainly let you know when I find one.

[Oxycutor]

I'm on a few forums, lurker or fairly inactive on most,   and the two most active places are the subforum here, and groups on Facebook.   Neither of which are as active as when pre end times, WFB was going on.  Even 40k forums just don't feel as active. 

Several forums and groups that tried to talk about AoS, had such antagonism, people left.

That's the worst thing about the game, the way people have behaved towards each other for liking it or not.

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[Franz Volker]

This poll in the dakkadakka site shows that AoS has gotten more than a few wallets moth-ridden.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/666859.page

While "more than a few" is correct, it may give a bit the wrong impression. True, 25% spent more than 250$, but 56% spent nothing at all.

Ok, so this got me curious enough to check it out.

56% spent nothing at all, that means they gave nobody money, so that's a bad sign for AoS in any interpretation, I guess.

The rest spent some, but if you read the replies, a good chunk of them claim they bought what they bought used. Does that count towards the success of AoS? I mean they didn't give GW any of their money.

Some say they spent some money, but then say they only bought paints, tools and so on. What's that got to do with AoS?

I bought un ungor kit and a few other things since AoS came out, but I bought them to use in WFRP 2nd Edition. Does that mean I supported AoS? I would've bought more stuff if AoS hadn't diminished my enthusiasm for the old setting. I voted 0, but some people in the replies voted something else, saying they bought bretonnians or something like that which doesn't necessarily mean AoS.

AoS positions itself to take the place of WFHB, taking the merit for some of the latter's sales, which is why I think that poll shows a prettier picture than what's real.

Also, I tried looking at the google search graph linked below for warhammer fantasy vs age of sigmar. I'm not exactly sure how to use it, but if I did it right, search interest is actually lower right now for AoS (although by a very small margin) than it is for WFHB (which is reasonable to assume it would be lower due to the AoS hit).

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=warhammer%20fantasy%2C%20age%20of%20sigmar&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-2

[StealthKnightSteg]

Well I'm really looking forward to 2016 with the coming Duardin / Fyreslayers  and Tzeentch releases and what more to come. Hopefully more disclosure on the Aelfs and Free People.

Read some rumor about discontuning Beastmen and Brettonia, but I don't believe that as Beastmen is already in a scenario book as part of the chaos armies. They might get incorporated as a subfaction of sorts like Skaven Pestilens.
Brettonia I might be discontinued as it was, same with Empire as both these will probably be something new with in Free People

[DariusZero]

This poll in the dakkadakka site shows that AoS has gotten more than a few wallets moth-ridden.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/666859.page

While "more than a few" is correct, it may give a bit the wrong impression. True, 25% spent more than 250$, but 56% spent nothing at all.

Ok, so this got me curious enough to check it out.

56% spent nothing at all, that means they gave nobody money, so that's a bad sign for AoS in any interpretation, I guess.

The rest spent some, but if you read the replies, a good chunk of them claim they bought what they bought used. Does that count towards the success of AoS? I mean they didn't give GW any of their money.

Some say they spent some money, but then say they only bought paints, tools and so on. What's that got to do with AoS?

I bought un ungor kit and a few other things since AoS came out, but I bought them to use in WFRP 2nd Edition. Does that mean I supported AoS? I would've bought more stuff if AoS hadn't diminished my enthusiasm for the old setting. I voted 0, but some people in the replies voted something else, saying they bought bretonnians or something like that which doesn't necessarily mean AoS.

AoS positions itself to take the place of WFHB, taking the merit for some of the latter's sales, which is why I think that poll shows a prettier picture than what's real.

Also, I tried looking at the google search graph linked below for warhammer fantasy vs age of sigmar. I'm not exactly sure how to use it, but if I did it right, search interest is actually lower right now for AoS (although by a very small margin) than it is for WFHB (which is reasonable to assume it would be lower due to the AoS hit).

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=warhammer%20fantasy%2C%20age%20of%20sigmar&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-2

well I corrected your term to warhammer fantasy battle and got more realistic results, which show that aos got it's maximum interest in july and now in december almost zero.
If compare regions we see that aos is succesfull in GB but is a failure in USA, which can be deciphered also through sales of starter sets on ebay where US ss are offered cheaper with free shipping and continental ones the other way around.

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F03mf9x%2C%20age%20of%20sigmar&date=1%2F2015%2012m&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-1

[GamesPoet]

Haha, indeed! There's just something about a painted army that really can't be matched.

This poll in the dakkadakka site shows that AoS has gotten more than a few wallets moth-ridden.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/666859.page

An interesting poll ...  here are the results as of this morning ...

How much have you spent on AoS?

0   57% [ 231 ]
$1-100   11% [ 45 ]
$101-150   5% [ 19 ]
$151-250   5% [ 21 ]
$251-500   9% [ 38 ]
$501-$1000   8% [ 34 ]
Greater than $1000   5% [ 20 ]
Total Votes : 408

20 folks have spent over $1000 which means a minimum of $20,000.  34 at hypothethically $750 means 25.5k.  38 at hypothetically $350 means 13.3k.   The numbers tail off in the next two catagories, but combined it is 40 and hypothetically at $150 means $6,000.  All total about $65k from 132 of a community of 40K players, and if we add in the 45 spending $100 or less, giving them credit for the full amount, that's only 177 players spending maybe $70k.  And 231 not spending a dime.

[GamesPoet]

Yeah, I don't think AoS polls will go very well with the old guard around.

Anyway, the new Tzeentch model is out.

http://eefl.freeforums.net/thread/98/new-archaon-model?page=3

I was wondering when this fiend would show up after seeing his picture several months ago.

Some how it reminds me of one of the 40K Chaos Space Marine Chapters, probably the thing on it's head is doing that.

[StealthKnightSteg]

Just read this on warseer:

@tcpwayne: Changes coming in 2016 to "fix" AoS....

When asked where this information is from he replies.

@tcpwayne: GW

I'm taking this with an ocean of salt but changes could be coming in 2016?

Maybe army composition or expanded rules?

Dunno what to make of it if anything tbh. Have to just wait and see I guess.

I wonder what that could mean... if true

[Finlay]

I hope aos is serving as a good wake up call tk GW they need to focus on gaming a bit more and not just models.

[Baron von Klatz]

An ocean of salt indeed.

As it is the only thing that AoS needs is a add-on point system or some other form of force restriction.

I can't really see any other "fix" they could implement.

(P.s. sorry for not posting lately, I've been very busy and the holidays are hectic.)

[StealthKnightSteg]

next weeks pre-orders rumor *cough* as if that's a rumor if you have first hands on the new WD..

New releases:

Fyreslayers Hearthguard (5 miniatures) - 33€ 25£ 40$
Slayers with shorter beards with what looks like shooting weapons, greataxes or some sort of flail halberd.

Fyreslayer Vulkite Berserkers (10 miniatures) - 45€ 35£ 60$
Slayers with dual axes, or a bladed shield coupled with an axe or pickaxe.

Fyreslayer Auric Runemaster (1 model) 23€ 18£ 30$
This is not the one we saw on the sprue, that one carries some sort of brazero staff and he... he... he has no mustache!

SURPRISE! The WD shows the models that have yet to be released everywhere. I find the new giant salamander to be absolutely gorgeous. IMO in term of design they take models like the slaughterbrute, break them in half, throw the parts into an incinerator and bury the ashes 3 feet under.

For those wondering, Fyreslayers use the Ur-Gold to create runes over their own body. I have no time to actually read the WD but I'll come back later if there is anything interesting. I think that army design is a success.

[Baron von Klatz]

Urge..to become...Duardin player...rising!

[StealthKnightSteg]

Urge..to become...Duardin player...rising!

haha! I'm reasonably ok with this. I can resist the urge to become a Duardin player. But I sport 4 armies now.. Empire still waiting to see what happens to our Free People before picking it up for AoS. Stormcast... need that expansion box!! ouch 160,- euro.. Khorne Bloodbound want to atleast keep it a reasonable force with some choice options.. again some nice boxes.. then there is my starting force of Seraphon... Oh I really want those boxes.. and now my urge to get Tau Empire got a swirl again also with the Start your army box... WHY DIDN'T I WIN THE LOTERY damnit 

[Baron von Klatz]

Haha, I bet your Christmas list was full.

I need that Stormcast expansion as well. The Malignant starter collection is looking good for Bretonnian conversions and I'm also waiting for the free people.

Though if the wanderer Aelves arrive before the free people then that's where my money is going to disappear to.

(So many models, so little time to paint them all. )

[StealthKnightSteg]

some more information about the dwarfs

I suppose I can screenshot my post?

A few more nuggets of info from the WD:
- Fyreslayers are born from the fight between Grimnir and Vulcatrix.
- Fyreslayers believe that in Ur-Gold resides the essence of Grimnir, their shattered God.
- Ur-Gold is magical. There is a funny rule when you play a Runemaster where your opponent chooses one of his units as carrying some gold, and thanks to it said unit can reroll all 1 to wound. But better not let the Runemaster get close enough and realize you are carrying the gold or the Fyreslayers will go all chop chop on you.
- When they insert Ur-Gold runes in their flesh, their God's energy starts flowing through their vein. This lead to things like being surrounded by flames, striking harder, more resilient skin (I suppose that's why they have 5+ save).

This is how each of their chapters is organized:
- Chapter mast.. no wait what am I saying? I mean Auric Runefather.
- Below that is the Auric Runemaster (the one in the WD)
- Auric Runesmiters
- Grimwrath Berzerkers
- Auric Runesons
- Hearthguard Berzerkers and Auric Hearthguard (the ones in the WD)
- Battlesmiths
- Vulkite Berzerkers (the ones in the WD)

PS- They're not actually called Chapters as you already guessed, but I don't know how to translate the real name in English.

Sorry but there are quite frankly too many things in the WD for me to read everything.

[Syphon]

What the flying fuck are these:

[StealthKnightSteg]

ah yes the new fyreslayers (sub?) faction duardin (new dwarfs in AoS) and behind them some fire salamanders!

[Gankom]

I actually rather like the salamanders, although I'd like a better look at the riders/platforms before making a final decision. I'm not sure I like the helmet crest look the mohawks have now, but otherwise I like the slayers as well. I'm excited to see better pictures.