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The Empire at War ... The Gamers Guild => The Old World Cometh Again !!! => Topic started by: GamesPoet on April 10, 2018, 12:28:16 PM
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Will GW ever return to WFB?
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Honest opinion? Yes, but not in a way people are hoping for.
They've sunk to many resources into Age of Sigmar. Combined with the simple fact that they made no money with Fantasy I don't think there's the incentive to go back to a fully supported version of it. Age of Sigmar, love it or hate it, seems to be making them more money this time around.
What I think will happen is we'll see more old models show up in the Made to order section. With the popularity of Total War: Warhammer they'll keep producing some of the older models. They'll keep talking about it and mentioning it. They might even do some kind of boxed game like Silver Tower or Burning of Prospero, but set in the Old World. I think that'll be the extent of any returning WFB.
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I wonder: did GW ever publish the results of their Community Survey?
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I wonder: did GW ever publish the results of their Community Survey?
Not yet, and even if they do, probably not much in detail. They have mentioned that off the back of it, they will be making plastic Adepta Sororitas. And I think Warhammer Legends might have come from that as well.
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Yah they've mentioned stuff piecemeal, but not published the full results. I've seen it mentioned in a couple of articles, but almost everything has been "We see you liked X, we like X to!"
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They'll not as they've shown in the last decade (since 7th) they're too incompetent to develop Warhammer, and about Warhammer not making money: Do they remember when BL were doing sources books for Warhammer and fewer for 40k? WFRP 1 and 2? Warcry? Warhammer videogames with th latest successes as Vermintide and TW:Warhammer.
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Will GW ever return to WFB?
If you mean drop Age of Sigmar and return to WFB, then no, I don't think there is any chance of that.
They will be doing Warhammer Legends, which will be a section on the Warhammer Community site for legacy warscrolls for the old armies, combined with a series of Made to Orders - which will start with Dark Elf miniatures - though nothing has been announced as to when this happening. Other than that, i don't think in the short term we will see support for the game Warhammer Fantasy Battle. However, products set in the old setting - well Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4th edition (made under license by Cubicle 7) is rumoured to be out in the first weekend of June, and we may find out more about that at Warhammer Fest in May.
Also, while this year's main Specialist Games release is expected to be Adeptus Titanicus, the original launch of the Specialist Games division did mention Mordheim, and I expect that when they do get around that, it will be set in Mordheim in the World that Was, rather than move it to another setting such as Shadespire.
Now ForgeWorld have done their own version of the 40k 7th ed rules just for Horus Heresy, there may be a possibility that something like a FW version of the 8th ed WFB rules might come along. I wouldn't hold my breath on that though. FW support for either WFB or AoS has never been much good. My personal opinion is that they've never really had fans of WFB who understand what FW could do for the system, nor for AoS, though I have heard they are setting up a dedicated AoS team within Forge World that should start putting out products this summer.
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They'll not as they've shown in the last decade (since 7th) they're too incompetent to develop Warhammer, and about Warhammer not making money: Do they remember when BL were doing sources books for Warhammer and fewer for 40k? WFRP 1 and 2? Warcry? Warhammer videogames with th latest successes as Vermintide and TW:Warhammer.
Sure and I think those videogames are exactly the reason their going to continue making legacy models. Are the video games doing so well that they'll scrap AoS to bring back a game they couldn't get to work? I don't think they will. I think they've set up a system that they see as win-win. They get to run their new, shiny, more profitable game AND make bank by selling licenses to produce stuff in the old world.
Out of curiosity, have you read any of the newer lore for AoS? Or tried the current iteration of the game?
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Out of curiosity, have you read any of the newer lore for AoS?
I've seen that the quality of the lore has improved but its substance has not. While WFB moved around a lot from edition to edition, writer to writer, if one was of the persuasion preferring the grounded sort of Fantasy found in 3rd/6th WFB or WFRP 1st/2nd, AoS is just completely alien. It is a much more 'out there' Fantasy setting with a way higher suspension of disbelief bar. That it has improved doesn't change it from being not even in the same sub-genre competition as classic WFB.
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It definitely has moved far more towards High Fantasy. WFB always stayed relatively low fantast.
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It definitely has moved far more towards High Fantasy.
Which is best left to Roger Dean album covers and not gaming settings.
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Hmm I don't know. I know I myself generally prefer low fantasy (as do most of the people on the forum it seems) but I don't think it's true for everyone. AoS certainly seems popular anecdotally and judging from the other "What's being played in your area" threads. Lots of people seem to enjoy battling it out with big monsters, powerful wizards and whatnot in fantastical locations.
I think when we get stuff like the supposedly coming Roleplay set in AoS we'll start to see more of the low fantasy aspects of the setting. It still wont make up for the very High Fantasy world, but it might help.
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Ok. No one gets away with mentioning roger dean around me adding my two bits. I literally grew up with his work displayed on the albums of my fav band. The close to the edge fold out was awesome as well as topographical oceans and relayer. Damn that was nice stuff. I have all those albums and my wife came up with the this idea
(https://artobansghost.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/img_0741.jpg)
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WHF will probably stick around for a while as an IP, but it's probably not returning as a wargame.
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Ok. No one gets away with mentioning roger dean around me adding my two bits.
Roger Dean is amazing but still for gaming the rules/lore to move between floating rocking islands is just too much. Hence the AoS flying Sea Turtles which are the epitome of too much.
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I hear you. It’s a bit much for the fan of lower level fantasy. But I have to say I’m liking the turtle and shark soup 😸
And you just don’t hear that artist much anymore. Not sure if you ever played wow but in the outlands version there was a province called Nagarand which seemed to me to be inspired by Dean. I used to return to that place once and awhile for the landscapes.
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"Court of the Crimson King" #metoo :biggriin:
Still got
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Nursery Crymes, Genesis. Most excellent. I love the Peter Gabriel Genesis period. I can't play my albums any more. Must download electronic versions of all of them ASAP. (Been saying that for about 8 years!!!!!!)
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Quote Mids: "Court of the Crimson King" #metoo :biggriin:
quote Padre: Nursery Crymes, Genesis. Most excellent
Agree completely! @padre : in this month a tribute band to genesis is playing at our town hall. Their tribute is nursery crimes. The musical box is one of my all time favs. Gabriel genesis was utterly brilliant. Couldnt beleive what I was hearing.
@ Mids - crimson was between genesis and yes as my altimeter favorites. The good old but largely irrelevant days 😸
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First album I ever bought.
I had graduated from Cream, and was at Hyde Park for the Blind Faith concert in the "summer of '69"
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Warhammer Fantasy Battle will not return, at least I don't think so. Maybe a couple os specialists games, maybe some old models will make a comeback, but that's it. Video games and RPG's are a completely different thing, tough. I can envision WF continuing to thrive through these kind of entertainment media. TW: Warhammer and the huge popularity of WFRP have clearly shown us that it is so.
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Roger Dean talk is fantastic. The albums were a bit before my time but the covers were plastered freaking everywhere growing up.
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Years ago I had to renovate a high school. One of the jobs was to paint the tunnel walls a cream colour. I had to paint over a 8’ x 20’ mural of ‘tales from topographical oceans’ (3rd from the left bottom). It broke my heart. I left the mural to the last and requested that it didn’t get painted. Fell on deaf ears so I painted it myself to deal with the horror.
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There is a chance - although a slim one - that with Specialist Games returning they might revive Warmaster. That way they could cater to the crowd who want a rank-and-file wargame, that is set in the Old World. At the same time they won't be drawing attention away from their main 28mm fantasy game.
I know it's a long shot but hey. I know I'd be all over that, I've missed warmaster the first time it was around. Played a game of historical warmaster and I liked it a lot as far as I remember.
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Sure and I think those videogames are exactly the reason their going to continue making legacy models. Are the video games doing so well that they'll scrap AoS to bring back a game they couldn't get to work? I don't think they will. I think they've set up a system that they see as win-win. They get to run their new, shiny, more profitable game AND make bank by selling licenses to produce stuff in the old world.
Out of curiosity, have you read any of the newer lore for AoS? Or tried the current iteration of the game?
Afterall Total War Warhammer only broke some records.... :dry:
aos is only more profitable only of 8th ed, that was written by the same guys. It's a win win because aos doesn't require the same level of culture of Warhammer.
Current iteration of the game? Where they take back points like in Warhammer, they make battletomes similar to the army books with artifacts and so on? Where they steal ideas like Path to Glory and Warhammer:SKirmish? No, I've already the original products I don't need to play wannabe Warhammer. Or maybe let's even play Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower that has nothing to do with Warhammer and Engrimm van Horstmann Silver Tower. And yes I've read the not-lore of aos, it has not improved it's not more grimdark (malign portents it's laughable), I've read it since aos pillaged the expression Mortal Realms that was used firstly for Warhammer, since the lizardmen are now named after Malekith dragon, since slayers on fire move through magma tunnels, duardins float with metallic baloons and magical air using clouds as mines, and deep ones aelf have fishes floating in air thanks to magical watery mist using Mathlaan also if it's a dead Warhammer deity... :ph34r:
But at least: "As you are, we once were. As we are, you will be."
I know it's a long shot but hey. I know I'd be all over that, I've missed warmaster the first time it was around. Played a game of historical warmaster and I liked it a lot as far as I remember.
I don't think Warmaster wil come back, they dob't have the appropiate minds for it, I doubt that nowadays in GW there's some who knows what's a redoubt, for example.
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I don't think Warmaster wil come back, they dob't have the appropiate minds for it, I doubt that nowadays in GW there's some who knows what's a redoubt, for example.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. The current GW is much more open to trying out stuff and taking risks, than the one that killed off specialist games and plotted the murder of the Old World. If five years ago someone would've said to me that GW is going to revive Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Adeptus Titanicus, genestealer cults, launch an Admech army and reintroduce freaking SQUATS into 40k, I'd thought there's sth wrong with their head.
Ps. no idea what the "redoubt" part of your comment is referring to. But it seems they do know what a redoubt is: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/Wall-of-Martyrs-Firestorm-Redoubt (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/Wall-of-Martyrs-Firestorm-Redoubt), although I would hate to see that in warmaster :icon_wink:.
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Squats!!!! whaaaa??? :icon_eek:
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Squats!!!! whaaaa??? :icon_eek:
Only one bounty hunter for Necromunda...
(https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99550599007_GrendlGrendlsen01.jpg)
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Squats!!!! whaaaa??? :icon_eek:
Only one bounty hunter for Necromunda...
(https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99550599007_GrendlGrendlsen01.jpg)
It starts with one... :wink:
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Squats!!!! whaaaa??? :icon_eek:
Only one bounty hunter for Necromunda...
(https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99550599007_GrendlGrendlsen01.jpg)
I love this sooooo much!!! do they actually call it a squat?
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Yes, 100% a squat.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Grendl-Grendlsen-Squat-Bounty-Hunter-2018
Despite the dire circumstances of his coming to Hive Primus, Grendl Grendlsen quickly established a new life, finding gainful employment as a bodyguard to various underhive figures. At length, he earned the right to practice as a sanctioned Bounty Hunter, and now serves any master who will pay his fee. Grendl is famed for protecting his charges from their rivals and subsequently claiming the bounty on the would-be assassins’ heads, and so far there has been no shortage of foolhardy rivals eager to test his skills, and his infamous hammer.
This multi-part resin kit contains the components necessary to assemble Grendl Grendlsen, a Squat Bounty Hunter. Reasonably diminutive and stocky in stature – he’s a Squat, after all – he’s impressively well organised and kitted out, far beyond some of his rival bounty hunters. From head to toe he carries loads of equipment: pouches and bags are attached to his belt (along with a few grenades…), his boots and coat are padded and well-armoured and he even features some nice tactical eye protection. He also carries a large backpack featuring sensors, and in his hand are the essential tools of his trade – a bolter in the right, and his legendary power hammer in the left.
This kit comes as 4 components, and is supplied with a 25mm Necromunda base. Rules for using Grendl Grendlssen as part of any gang in games of Necromunda: Underhive are included.
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a Squat Bounty Hunter. Reasonably diminutive and stocky in stature – he’s a Squat, after all :Ohmy: :Ohmy: :Ohmy:
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The Squats are back, baby. :mrgreen:
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now make them with a bad-A motorbike :::cheers:::
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It would have to be a rather small motorbike to accommodate his stature.
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It would have to be a rather small motorbike to accommodate his stature.
no way back in the day they were huge choppers lol
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He could have a sweet, powered tricycle!
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https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fvignette.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fwarhammer40k%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fdc%2FSquats.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20110101001632&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwarhammer40k.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FFile%3ASquats.jpg&docid=zYJhOMIAwYmuMM&tbnid=phG9s9aeZYKpvM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjPrbr0xP7aAhUT658KHd6XCDwQMwhyKBMwEw..i&w=558&h=470&bih=930&biw=1920&q=warhammer%2040k%20squats&ved=0ahUKEwjPrbr0xP7aAhUT658KHd6XCDwQMwhyKBMwEw&iact=mrc&uact=8
I remember back in the day the rumor was Squats would be renamed guild masters... but GW destroyed them form existence lol
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They've just announced a Rogue Trader game in the late 2018! Even more weird stuff coming it seems.
(http://i.imgur.com/yKYX0X6.jpg)
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That's a bit Warhammer in Space, not the original Warhammer. :happy:
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I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.
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I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.
I remember new coke and when that flopped they brought back Coke Classic and it was more popular than ever!! hope this is the same thing with GW lol :biggriin:
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I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.
It would also help if they made the old book reprints available via mail order instead of just WH World and maybe a coulple of UK events. It's like they don't want to sell to people in other parts of the world.
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I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.
It would also help if they made the old book reprints available via mail order instead of just WH World and maybe a coulple of UK events. It's like they don't want to sell to people in other parts of the world.
I know right :icon_evil: :icon_evil: :icon_evil:
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I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.
It would also help if they made the old book reprints available via mail order instead of just WH World and maybe a coulple of UK events. It's like they don't want to sell to people in other parts of the world.
It's like GW actively wants to kill the memory of the Old World that was.
So I think they'll keep re-producing classic individuals and units as preorders, but somehow retcon them into their new setting.
There's at least a couple of splinter worlds in the new setting which could be developed into a reminiscent of the Empire-centric Old World. So more ordinary humans teaming with the 'good' races to fight invaders and corruption. Let's see if GW wants to do that.
But I don't think they will return to the Old World. Especially medievalesque and landskencht style humans are probably definitely out of the picture, because other firms have stepped in to produce the figures in metal and plastic. Also eBay etc. sell many old GW figures at quantities and prices which would seriously compete with any kind of new GW models in the old style.
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One interesting thing could be some sort of new multipose-multipart set for ordinary humans. Those were mightily popular for the Empire & Bretonnia, and intact OOP sets, not to talk about individual bits, sell at considerable price. (The 7th ed or current State Troop/Freeguild sets are practically oneposers; I'm referring to older Empire Soldiers and Militia, and Greatswords and Huntsmen.) But I'm sure this set would be something different from North Star (medieval) and Warlord (Landsknechts) sets, and refer to the AoS setting instead. They turned Dwarfs into balloon-riding steampunks and fire-lizard-punks, so expect extremity and new vision instead of a continuum from the old.
Ofcourse never say never. Nobody knows what they're up to, and they probably don't know yet what they will do fluff-wise in five years. My impression is that GW is primarily reacting to sales - whether or not they promote or hamper their own sales - and the reactions come, say, within two years. So if AoS, for example, would stall sometime after the coming new book/edition, the line could see considerable change already by 2020.
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I'm actually thinking that if the bosses at GW know what they're doing (which they've shown surprising indications of in the last year or two), the success of T9A may have snuffed out the last hope of GW returning to WFB. As in, actually resuming it with a new edition and release, not just keeping rereleasing their old stuff.
What T9A is currently doing is eminently convenient for GW. GW doesn't need to bother with game development, but can still reap the rewards of the development work done by hordes of volunteers. GW can just keep cranking out miniatures of its old ranges. Ranges that are, and will be for the foreseeable future, the by far best suited ones for playing T9A. I actually think there's a significant probability that GW is doing just that, pretending not to notice T9A but observing it closely in order to benefit from it.
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That is a possibility.
Still there is a large bunch of people who whould happily buy a harcover book from an established company, which also has a range of miniatues to go with the theme. I'm actually surprised how reluctant people are to go after T9A, 9th ed, etc. I'm a little bit troubled about these legacy games, none of them seem to be growing after the initial push and goodwill.
KoW is in the same boat despite being supported by a company and a full miniatures line: I don't see it growing after the hype of the 2nd ed. Why? Because the world of Mantica is not a thing, the armies are not 1:1 Warhammer, and the gameplay and especially army building are different from any Warhammer edition?
I'm actually participating in a campaign that runs on the 8th ed by the book, because that's what the organizer thinks works best. (It doesn't. 8th was and is lacking in inner and outer balance compared to the earlier editions, ETC and Swedcomps, and more modern fan-editions. It's basic gameplay is sluggish and some of its rules are stupid. It cries for a good 8.5 adjustment or a full 9th ed.) The other day I scanned the second hand market for 8th ed army books, and it seems they have become quite valuable again. People want them, despite there being a free and fine-tuned version of the 8th, namely T9A (1.1).
After a two year hiatus, we are now witnessing 7th ed games and even tournaments organized. Not as big as T9A, but certainly challenging the idea that T9A would be the present and future of this kind of gaming.
If it's not about the game, it could be about the fluff. A good number of people mostly want the fluff, i.e. Old World. They could probably take AoS style mechanics, if they supported square bases and the story of a living Old World. I know I could, because the hobby for me was and is predominantly about the models on square bases in the Old World. A reason why I both like KoW but also find it lacking the right feeling.
I'm fairly sure GW could sell at profit a couple of books about a sort of historical AoS, where the Old World hasn't died yet, and where the armies assembled in ranks and files. Like if 30K was a great hit, maybe Before the Age of Sigmar could work too, as a one-off or periodical side project similar to the Specialist games. They could do a small range of new models and see if they sell or not.
Then again assembling big miniature armies for a single game (or game type) seems to be last year, unless playing historicals. Games that are meant to be enjoyed among friends tend to be skirmishes with a reasonable number of individualized miniatures. You see it everywhere. The number of people who really are dedicated to an army level game is likely dwindling, and I don't see many starting this kind of hobby, even if T9A, 9th ed and KoW make it actually free rules-wise.
I'm not hopeful about GW retunring to WFB. This is more about the scene, and what people do and don't do in the scene after GW killed the Old World.
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I'm pretty sure the Old World itself will resurface in one form or another. It has not been entirely wiped out by GW, Blood Bowl is one example (no sigmarines in sight). Almost every White Dwarf I've read in the last 12 months has had some allusions to the old setting, there's novels being re-published, older minis remade etc. Sometime ago there were rumours about Mordheim getting remade (that one I find hard to believe, but who knows). Now I don't believe that WHFB will return in the way we've known it, but I firmly believe there will be some Old World related products in the future.
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Has GW ever really dropped anything and never brought it back in any form and or never mentioned it again?
This might be a bad example but Dredfleet was a sort of relaunch of Man of war. There'll always be a chance that fantasy will come back.
ALSO if people continue to buy non GW kits to substitute the fantasy kits they can no longer get then there's a strong chance GW will realise there is still a strong market for said kits and will bring them back.
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The reason why skirmish games have become more popular, is because of the price of any new GW mini now.
We all know it started with Goldswords, then black orcs and minotaurs, and there are plenty of other examples, but $100 AUD for 5 plastic models is ridiculous. To my mind, even if they came back to army wargame instead of skrimish, they cost too much now for me to bother.
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Never
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Zygmund, I would defer assessment on whether T9A's growth has levelled off until 2.0 gets out of beta and is finally released. That should, if everything goes according to plan (which looks rather likely at the moment), put an end to the rules instability that seems to have made a great many old WFB players reluctant to get on board.
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Never
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I'm pretty sure the Old World itself will resurface in one form or another. It has not been entirely wiped out by GW, Blood Bowl is one example (no sigmarines in sight). Almost every White Dwarf I've read in the last 12 months has had some allusions to the old setting, there's novels being re-published, older minis remade etc. Sometime ago there were rumours about Mordheim getting remade (that one I find hard to believe, but who knows). Now I don't believe that WHFB will return in the way we've known it, but I firmly believe there will be some Old World related products in the future.
When the new version of Specialist Games Studio was launched, they listed "Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Epic Armageddon, Battlefleet Gothic and many, many more."
So far they've released Blood Bowl and Necromunda, with Adeptus Titanicus out in August.
While I can't say for sure they will be doing Mordheim (It could be one of the "many, many more"), we can still be hopeful that they might re-do it.
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Never
Never
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I agree with Never but not with the message Icon Von Trinkenessen used.
It won't come back not even as a classical specialist kind of way.. there for the old world editions are to complex.
AoS is the thing now and with the "AoS The New Edition" it might move a bit more to 40k ruleset but it won't go back to the old days. And in my opinion this progress is a positive thing and I like it.
I'm pretty sure the Old World itself will resurface in one form or another. It has not been entirely wiped out by GW, Blood Bowl is one example (no sigmarines in sight). Almost every White Dwarf I've read in the last 12 months has had some allusions to the old setting, there's novels being re-published, older minis remade etc. Sometime ago there were rumours about Mordheim getting remade (that one I find hard to believe, but who knows). Now I don't believe that WHFB will return in the way we've known it, but I firmly believe there will be some Old World related products in the future.
When the new version of Specialist Games Studio was launched, they listed "Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Epic Armageddon, Battlefleet Gothic and many, many more."
So far they've released Blood Bowl and Necromunda, with Adeptus Titanicus out in August.
While I can't say for sure they will be doing Mordheim (It could be one of the "many, many more"), we can still be hopeful that they might re-do it.
Mordheim was mentioned to come back explicitly though when was never said.. but my hopes are for late 2018 or atleast 2019
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I don't agree with Never
Extrapolating from an example of one (More of a guess), with Warhammer Legends, it looks like they're re-instating the compendium Warscrolls to make the old World that Was armies playable as an army, along with a Made to Order of a small number of mostly recently OOP models (Mengil's Manhides were much longer OOP, but all the rest only went of sale 18 months ago). Anyway, Who is to say they won't expand on the Warhammer Legends to do more old units, rather than just characters, and combine with a softback Print-on-Demand or pdf for the old army books. I could quite easily see Bretonnian or Tomb Kings doing really well, especially if they include the plastics in Made to Order. I'd guess it's unlikely any time soon, but I wouldn't say it would never happen. They have after all re-printed Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader, and REalm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness - though it would be better if it was available at more than just GW events and Warhammer World.
Mordheim was mentioned to come back explicitly though when was never said.. but my hopes are for late 2018 or atleast 2019
I'm not sure it was. I've just been googling to try and find if they actually did say that. I'm sure it's been asked on the Warhammer Live Twitch stream, when Andy Hoare has been on, without a transcript, I can't recall if he said yes, or probably eventually, or no.
Probably Eventually would be my guess.
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Depends if the suits think there is money to be made ……………………… :engel:
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Depends if the suits think there is money to be made ……………………… :engel:
That is pretty much the defintive answer for whether it will return or not.
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Mordheim was mentioned to come back explicitly though when was never said.. but my hopes are for late 2018 or atleast 2019
I'm not sure it was. I've just been googling to try and find if they actually did say that. I'm sure it's been asked on the Warhammer Live Twitch stream, when Andy Hoare has been on, without a transcript, I can't recall if he said yes, or probably eventually, or no.
Probably Eventually would be my guess.
The Twitch stream is where I remember it being mentioned.. But it's been a long time ago
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I hope they'll not bring back Mordheim. I'm more than happy with the original one.
Warhammer legends has nothing to do with Warhammer, round bases and rules from the game that cancelled Warhammer. :dry: Warhammer original models shouldn't be used for that game.
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Had a browse round the GW (web)store.
Looks like six out of seven* Empire** units and characters have become Webstore Exclusives. Only melee State Troopers (Freeguild Guard), Greatswords, Battle Wizards and the General remain on the shelves. On average, one third of Grand Alliance Order are Web Exclusives, so the ordinary Humans are really being pulled from the shelves.
My personal thought is they're slowly being withdrawn - which likely mirrors sales, knowing GW, but also the future visual and mental image of the AoS setting.
There have been no ordinary Human concepts introduced during AoS, whereas we are seeing new concepts and sub-factions for Dwarfs and Elves. Also the Lizardmen/Seraphon, Goblins/Grots and Skaven are mostly Webstore Exclusives, as are all ex-Beastmen (Bray- and Warherds). Something going on with the Seraphon. They seem to be in the process of being lumped into Celestials with the Stormcast Eternals.
It will be interesting to see if new kits replace the ex-Empire, or if ordinary Humans as a concept will be brushed aside from AoS setting. Possibly only the superhuman Stormcast (Sparta! Marvel!) will remain. After no more Bretonnia and if no more ordinary humans fight in the setting, the feel of the setting will be totally different from the Old World***, which clearly was a Human setting surrounded and invaded by the hostiles.
My personal thought is that a lot of old WHFB and general fantasy familiarity - with a Human vantage point within the setting - will be vanishing within a year or two. Not a revelation really, just the continuation of where AoS has been heading all the way.
Edit: Not meant to be rumor mongering. Just my own thoughts, thought aloud.
*24 out of 28, counting double kits as doubles
**Humans without the Stormcast Eternals: Collegiate Arcane, Devoted of Sigmar, Free Peoples, 4/10 of Ironweld Arsenal
***the Old world itself having strong roots in Tolkienesque fantasy, Elric and real world history.
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Damn....you are right Zygmund. Almost everything is in Webstore Exlcusives. Same for High Elves I see.
This might have something to do with the new edition coming out in June. Wouldn't be suprised if a lot of stuff got moved to Last Chance to Buy sooner than later. It's the end times all over again! Need to get a few more things before they disappear.
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*PANIC MODE OFF*
Or it might not mean anything and things will just linger in the direct only sales for who knows how much longer. They do seem to recognize that there is some interest in the older minis. They wouldn't have run the Dark Elf made to order otherwise.
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Not meant to be rumor mongering. Just my own thoughts, thought aloud. Storaged for memory. Will be nice to compare in a couple of months and a couple of years.
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Yeah, one would better buy what one wants from Games Workshop before it disappears, or wait for Ebay or sporadic limited runs from GW itself to pop it up.
I doubt WHFB returns, but not the Old World. Warhammer lives strong as a setting in PC games at the moment, and it's not inconceivable GW tries some hurrah with that setting in miniature form in the future. If there's money to be made by it.
Take it from a Dwarf: Holding grudges against Age of Sigmar is pointless. At the end of the day it's just another game and another way of enjoying the hobby, on a massed fantasy wargame scene that is for better and worse no longer dominated monolithically by Warhammer Fantasy. Age of Sigmar not classic fantasy grounded in Tolkien and history, so it's not something I'm interested in, but many peope are, and since this hobby is primarily what you yourself do with it, there can apparently be room for historically based armies among AoS collectors (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=52631.msg1032024#msg1032024), whatever magitech steampunk high fantasy Games Workshop cooks up. Cheers.
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I suspect that still, WFB sales have been in a death spiral for some time. I just had the following realization: If the WFB active player base decreases, it doesn't decrease GW WFB sales proportionally. It would decrease sales by more than the proportion that stops playing.
Demand for new WFB miniatures would be proportional to the size of the active player base. The supply that will meet that demand wouldn't, though, just be new GW sales, but also partly the second-hand market. A supply that would be roughly proportional to the rate at which people stop playing.
I wouldn't be surprised if GW kept a close eye on the WFB second-hand market and now concluded that the dark pixies have gotten rare and expensive enough that they can make bank by doing a made-to-order.
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Take it from a Dwarf: Holding grudges against Age of Sigmar is pointless.
Just for the record, I have no grudges against AoS. :)
And I have no grudges against GW. I just wish I had bought their stock a couple of years back. :wink:
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Well it was rather silly that the freeguild of free peple of eww of sgimar had the same look of Warhammer Empire after Aeons of Warhammer World no matter the explanation they tried to give it. :dry: It's shame those kits will disappear in future but if they're not used in eeew of sigmar it's better.
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So ... it looks like they are at least returning to the Old World. :icon_eek: :icon_biggrin: :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
It is being called by GW ... "Warhammer: The Old World", and seems it will have a new set of rules.