Author Topic: Shadows over Bogenhafen RPG (out of character thread) (Read 734739 times)

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #10750 on:** July 17, 2014, 11:33:00 AM »

Ha! So maybe we should go to kislev and pretend to be wine merchants. Is mortus even a member of the guild?

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10751 on:** July 17, 2014, 11:59:13 AM »

Mortus did join the merchants' guild, yes. Kislev sucks though! Unless you want to wrestle a giant spirit bear, negotiate with goblins, and then get smashed by an unkillable super-wizard with no stats.

I couldn't remember if the party mentioned the doom lord thing to anyone or not.

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #10752 on:** July 17, 2014, 12:47:02 PM »

I think we told the marshals....i meant the wizards guild ...is mortus a member?

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10753 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:16:08 PM »

Oh, right. No, she's not a member of the wizards' guild.

Karl Voss of Averland · « **Reply #10754 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:30:02 PM »

Quote from: rufus sparkfire on July 17, 2014, 11:59:13 AM

Unless you want to wrestle a giant spirit bear, negotiate with goblins, and then get smashed by an unkillable super-wizard with no stats.

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10755 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:33:58 PM »

I don't want to make it sound awesome. It really isn't!

And there are actually two unkillable super-wizards with no stats. Complete with lengthy descriptions of how you should use them to humiliate the players.

Karl Voss of Averland · « **Reply #10756 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:38:02 PM »

That's lame. Too deus ex machina. I'm guess they exist in the story to resolve some plot hook?

"I'm an impossible to beat wizard! Har Har! To beat me you must proceed to the next plot point!"

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10757 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:47:50 PM »

It doesn't even have much of a story. It's three short adventures with virtually no connection between them.

But the most annoying thing about it is the way it constantly insists that creative ideas by the players must be shot down, so that they can be encouraged to do things 'the right way.'

In part three, 'the right way' is apparently to flee the dungeon without ever meeting the villain you were sent to investigate, because if you do meet them you are inevitably killed or enslaved. You just aren't allowed to kill him, presumably because the author would cry if you did.

I've picked up the book every so often, thinking to myself that it might be useable somehow. But every time I do I'm reminded of why I dislike it.

It doesn't even have much Kislev fluff.

Karl Voss of Averland · « **Reply #10758 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:52:26 PM »

Wow. That is lame. Why would they let something like that get published? It seems so offtrack from the other campaign books int he series?

Mogsam · « **Reply #10759 on:** July 17, 2014, 01:56:11 PM »

Why does she grin when Ulruns in good standing? Is it a penis joke.

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #10760 on:** July 17, 2014, 02:40:49 PM »

I think it is more about your flamboyant personality....is it even allowed to cast spells without being in a wizards guild? I would think it similar to the halfling brewing potions without being in the guild...maybe Mortus should join.

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10761 on:** July 17, 2014, 03:52:53 PM »

Quote from: Karl Voss of Averland on July 17, 2014, 01:52:26 PM

Wow. That is lame. Why would they let something like that get published? It seems so offtrack from the other campaign books int he series?

I read an article about this... here's the relevant part:

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Jim and Phil wrote The Enemy Within to set the scene and kick off the campaign, and I wrote Shadows Over Bogenhafen. We divided Death on the Reik, with Jim and Phil writing the main adventure while I wrote the River Life supplement and adventure seeds.

These first three episodes came out pretty much as planned, but then certain commercial realities set in. The first edition of Warhammer 40,000 came out at the same time as WFRP, and because it introduced a whole new range of miniatures it was far more profitable. Gaps between new Enemy Within adventures became longer, and GW started to look for ways to defray the expense of in-house development.

Power Behind the Throne was adapted from an AD&D adventure written by prolific freelancer Carl Sargent, and span off the Middenheim city sourcebook. Something Rotten in Kislev was commissioned when renowned American RPG designer Ken Rolston became available, and was loosely tied into the Enemy Within campaign to maintain some kind of continuity. A Skaven-based adventure provisionally titled The Horned Rat was cancelled before inception.

When GW spun off Flame Publications in 1989, the first directive was to wrap up The Enemy Within quickly, using a manuscript for the previously-announced Empire in Flames that Carl Sargent had written with his usual speed.

http://graemedavis.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/the-enemy-within-again/

'Renowned American RPG designer Ken Rolston' wrote a really terrible book!

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10762 on:** July 17, 2014, 03:58:07 PM »

Ulrun is quite disreputable!

Quote from: Fandir Nightshade on July 17, 2014, 02:40:49 PM

is it even allowed to cast spells without being in a wizards guild? I would think it similar to the halfling brewing potions without being in the guild...maybe Mortus should join.

Oh, that's a good point. It probably falls under trade protection. She probably does need to join, or else not cast spells in public!

Mogsam · « **Reply #10763 on:** July 17, 2014, 07:19:35 PM »

He just does dodgy tricks that accidentally backfire!

Actually, shouldn't Ulrun get a reward from the guild! He stopped their evil traitor!

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10764 on:** July 19, 2014, 04:57:16 PM »

Racing towards that knighting ceremony!

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #10765 on:** July 19, 2014, 05:01:12 PM »

And that Duel!

Idiot at the gates.....

commandant · « **Reply #10766 on:** July 19, 2014, 05:34:17 PM »

Quote from: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2014, 04:57:16 PM

Racing towards that knighting ceremony!

Is Mortus being knighted?

Mogsam · « **Reply #10767 on:** July 19, 2014, 06:14:50 PM »

Nice Empire of Wolves injokes!

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10768 on:** July 19, 2014, 09:22:19 PM »

I needed some names!

Quote from: commandant on July 19, 2014, 05:34:17 PM

Is Mortus being knighted?

Of course.

commandant · « **Reply #10769 on:** July 19, 2014, 09:28:55 PM »

Who would she need to talk to about avoiding that [or at least avoiding it being public information]?

Maybe Hess?

Mortus thinks that being knighted for fighting chaos might interfere with her ability to fight chaos in the future.

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10770 on:** July 19, 2014, 09:36:23 PM »

No one is going to mention chaos. As the Graf announced in a speech, you are to be rewarded for foiling a plot to gain control of the city's government.

The ceremony will be public, and refusing it would be a direct insult to the Graf and the city.

But I suppose Mortus could leave the city if she really didn't want to be knighted.

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #10771 on:** July 19, 2014, 09:47:10 PM »

Why oh why...does Mortus who....really never fought Chaos directly have to make a fuss about this?

commandant · « **Reply #10772 on:** July 19, 2014, 09:59:06 PM »

It can't be refused, of course. It must either be avoided or accepted. Leaving the city is the same as refusing it and would have the effect of
annoying both the self appointed leader of the party and the graf.

Mortus is aware that the Graf is not going to mention chaos but if there are other branches of the various chaos cults that might know a little about what was happening in Middenhiem it would not be a massive leap of faith for them to connect "helped save the city" with "defeated chaos".

I don't really see anything she can do bit grin and bear it, unless maybe talk with Hess. Still she is not going to be that happy about it.

Fandir Nightshade · « **Reply #10773 on:** July 19, 2014, 10:01:38 PM »

Mortus is not a wine merchant...nor a great champion against chaos...most of the time she isn´t really a woman either...so why do you even consider keeping her identiy secret?

She IS no super james bond spy....her fellowship score sucks..she is smart and learned in the way of magic..but that is about it.

rufus sparkfire · « **Reply #10774 on:** July 19, 2014, 10:03:56 PM »

Hess isn't back in the city yet. Also, she works for Heinrich Todbringer, not the Graf.

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Author Topic: Shadows over Bogenhafen RPG (out of character thread) (Read 734739 times)