I remember my black and blue lockdown control:
if I brought this floating brain onto the table
I really enjoy sealed deck tournaments...perhaps we should do one of those at the bash we just buy four to five boosters and we have to make decks out of those. I guess we all have enough lands flying around.
Used this in my mono-Black weenie horde. Funny how they'd introduce cards like this after banning Channel
RRandom gibberish and made up words!
Found it. Pros-Bloom.
Someone punch me.
and I sure as hell won't go to some gamestore to have my ass handed to me by some pimply teenager.
In the meantime, try not to think about it too much. :happy:
Also, did you really use a smiley? Have you actually done that ever before?
I was clean for a long time, but I've started using them again.
I tried Magic for the first time in my life a few days ago. It was difficult and scary. My opponents used some sort fucked up of tree elf combo shit that took 26 hp in one go.
I tried Magic for the first time in my life a few days ago. It was difficult and scary. My opponents used some sort fucked up of tree elf combo shit that took 26 hp in one go.
What do you play with if not a combo deck?I tried Magic for the first time in my life a few days ago. It was difficult and scary. My opponents used some sort fucked up of tree elf combo shit that took 26 hp in one go.
See, that's why I hate combo decks...they're very un-interactive and to me aren't really what the game is about -- turning doods sideways.
All magic decks use combinations. But it isn't necessary to use a deck that wins in one turn by some sort of tedious recursion technique while the other player sits there doing nothing.
Magic is more fun if both players get to do stuff.
A combo deck however takes this a step further. It relies on several, usually complex and not immediately obvious interactions to shut down the opponent and win the game, ideally all in one go so the opponent has little chance to react. Those combos usually involve several cards to work, but when you do get it to work it often means game over straight up.That sounds like what good players do. Or am I wrong?
So combo decks are more like double steam tank four cannon cheese?
there is no fluff play in card games
I never played against anyone choosing a worse card just because some meta play reasons.
I played a sky knight deck with all sky knight cards I could get my hands on
Yes they suck but I liked the pictures.
Knights with flanking also were good....during mirage but there are so many better cards around now.
QuoteA combo deck however takes this a step further. It relies on several, usually complex and not immediately obvious interactions to shut down the opponent and win the game, ideally all in one go so the opponent has little chance to react. Those combos usually involve several cards to work, but when you do get it to work it often means game over straight up.That sounds like what good players do. Or am I wrong?
It's why my sideboards are usually chock full of combo hate.
It's why my sideboards are usually chock full of combo hate.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2022&type=card)
It's why my sideboards are usually chock full of combo hate.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2022&type=card)
Abeyance is my personal favorite. It reads "unless your combo goes off at instant speed and doesn't need to wait for any of the spells on the stack to resolve, just stop it right there." Guilded Light is also deceptively powerful: "Oh, that was cute. In response to your kill, Guilded Light. Darn, all that for nothin? So sad."
Siberius that sounds great.....where is the catch?
Siberius that sounds great.....where is the catch?
I'm with Fandir here.
Sounds great. Is the interface okay? Are cards depicted? Do I need a doctorate to get it to work?
Anyway, I AM interested.
Do I need a doctorate to get it to work?
I have one!
I would like to play someone friendly and tolerant!
Do I need a doctorate to get it to work?
I have one! I don't think it helps.
I still have this thing installed I think - I got it to work, but I was scared to play someone I didn't know because I wasn't sure how the controls worked.
I would like to play someone friendly and tolerant!
If you can get on this afternoon I can show you those controls and it gets a lot easier once you get used to them.
You know I just reinstalled that programme that lets you play magic online, for free.
That works. As it turns out today just got more tricky for me too so another time works well.
What I will do is post up some hopefully easy instructions and links for installing the program. That way when we meet to go through it everyone can be ready to go straight away. :happy:
Holy crap siby, that card looks immense for my deck!
I already have loads of stuff I want to add though, but I dont wnt to drop too many creatures for it.
I'm installing it now.
You can use any combination of letters and numbers, that contains between 2 and 10 digits. Maybe you're trying a username that's too long, or including spaces or special characters (@, #, etc.) ? Also, you don't include the < > around the username you want. For example, you could use something like: testname1 (9 characters, all letters and/or numbers)
I was including the <>'s! silly me
Yes you can do one player games to hone your deck and see how it plays out.
It's why my sideboards are usually chock full of combo hate.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2022&type=card)
Abeyance is my personal favorite. It reads "unless your combo goes off at instant speed and doesn't need to wait for any of the spells on the stack to resolve, just stop it right there." Guilded Light is also deceptively powerful: "Oh, that was cute. In response to your kill, Guilded Light. Darn, all that for nothin? So sad."
Many combo decks rely on sorcery or enchantment cards as a finnisher an/or combo piece. This fact can be exploited. When I played MTG online I had a "Scepter Chant" deck, althou it has a "soft lock" built into it, it's really a control deck. I faced alot of combo decks with it and they were by far my easiest matchup due to me maindecking:
(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/mirrodin/isochronscepter.full.jpg)
+
(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/planeshift/orimschant.full.jpg)
and 4 copies of:
(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/planeshift/meddlingmage.full.jpg)
Backed up by the usual set counterspells of course.
Uh oh, is it difficult?
I think it seems overly succeptible to people cheatingly destroying noobs. but there you go.
Well, it's not a bird... and if you just want the blue and white mana, I'd pick something else.
dual lands are banned?
Juzam Djinn looks nasty. cheap, powerful!
Juzam Djinn looks nasty. cheap, powerful!
I thought you were only allowed one if it was legendary, or is it only one in play?
Made a deck...more a fun deck with cards I know and like than any great synergies black and blue.....how do I start a single player?middle click on a one player table.
It worked, but I lost my squid deck and had to use a rubbish precon! Also I have no card images.
I need to sort that out.
It was fun though! Thanks Finlay and Noibn!
I don't really want to play a format... it's annoying. But some cards are just ridiculous (regardless of the format).
I'm not going to be able to tolerate being powergamed at for long before I go on a powergaming rampage!
If you dont want to play a format you cant call cards illegal!
I used 2 of the dual lands in my deck because fandir said he had 2 in his. They are awesome.
its subjective.
I pretty much stick to standard as I haven't been playing all that long and that is way too many cards to learn.
Ctrl U. Untap everything
Hey guys I'm downloading the program now, can I join your group to play ??
Im sure I told you ctrl + u yesterday rufus!
Im sure I told you ctrl + u yesterday rufus!Hey guys I'm downloading the program now, can I join your group to play ??
NO we dont like newcomers. :engel:
Strip Mine is on that list?!
What was in it?1 strip mine, made it illegal for legacy.
Ok I instaled it, now I have to create my user name....I had to increase the resolution on my laptop so I could see the typing box, in the bottom left hand corner of the screen
but how do I do that??
It says just type your user name but nothing appears no matter what I type..
But it is just copied from the internet.
I'm going to burn it with fire, and then also counterspell it.it seems insanely vulnerable to counterspell.
But who has this bog in his deck?
Yes....we are fixed again.
Thank you Siberius that you saved our financial future buy just hooking us to free internet cards and not the real thing.
You cast him, he cant do anything due to SS, then he is sacrificed?
I hope it's not annoying because I really like it!
I'll make another deck tomorrow so I have a choice.
This is my counterburn decklist, by the way. Is it dodgy?
4 counterspell
4 force of will
4 brainstorm
4 impulse
2 treachery
2 palinchron
4 frenetic efreet
4 lightning bolt
4 incinerate
2 pyroclasm
2 hammer of bogardan
4 volcanic island
10 island
10 mountain
I think my 4 brainstorms are why it's not legal in vintage. Brainstorm is not broken! But I could swap three of them for other cards I guess.
I hope it's not annoying because I really like it!
I'll make another deck tomorrow so I have a choice.
This is my counterburn decklist, by the way. Is it dodgy?
4 counterspell
4 force of will
4 brainstorm
4 impulse
2 treachery
2 palinchron
4 frenetic efreet
4 lightning bolt
4 incinerate
2 pyroclasm
2 hammer of bogardan
4 volcanic island
10 island
10 mountain
I think my 4 brainstorms are why it's not legal in vintage. Brainstorm is not broken! But I could swap three of them for other cards I guess.
Not at all. If I could make a suggestion thou. Add either 4 copies of Nevinyrral's Disk, or Powder Keg. A reset button comes in handy in decks like yours.
Rules question!
Does combat damage still go on the stack? It used to be that you could have your creature deal its damage (which went on the stack) and then bounce it/phase it out. So it could deal damage but escape the return damage.
I can't see this in the current rules. Is it gone?
Combat damage no longer uses the stack. Your Mogg Fanatics now suck.
your cheaty ability has been taken away, cheat bouncy phasy creatures!Combat damage no longer uses the stack. Your Mogg Fanatics now suck.
Wow, that sucks!
Is there anyway that anyone knows of to increase the drawing in my bird deck? Because they all cost so little to cast I can easily cast like 4 creatures a turn quite quickly, and run out of my hand.
I lost to rufus yesterday when he had 5 life and I had 20 because I couldnt get enough birds out to manage to take a spell, get blocked by the palinchrone, and finish him off.
Unglued cards are so full of win
Aldaris, are you going to get the programme? would love to play you.
Did you see battle screeches flashback rufus?
4 tokens for 4 mana, not bad. only need one other creature on the deck for flashback as you can tap the first two you summon.
less mana cost if I have stormscape's out.
ordered migration, useful for end game summoning surely? dunno.
Hey Siby, what are the most recent card sets like? I want to make a standard-legal deck. But there are a lot of things to look through... which colours would be good for an aggressive creature deck in standard?
A lot of the stuff I have seen you guys playing seems insane!
How do you name a deck again? Forgot!
Edit: still don't know, but made a new deck with a name and imported the cards into it.
I like the blue and white cards in the innistraad block. How do the transforming ones work though? Do you get two cards so you can replace one with the other when it changes? I decided not to use any for now...
siby, can I fight your wall deck with my birds later?
/renamedeck <deckname>
Is it annoying when I declare a loss when it is clear i am going to lose but before you get the satisfaction of taking my life to 0?
it says "server closed connection
ABNORMAL EXIT"
it says "server closed connection
ABNORMAL EXIT"
I am getting this, how do you fix it?
im in if anybody wants to play :icon_biggrin:Me too, let's go =p
I might not get on at all today.
Ive decided Imn going to play at lunch, as I have my laptop at work. 1-2pm anyone?
Youre in all the time noibn!
I might not get on at all today.
I do aim to have fun more than creating ridiculously powerful decks- just putting that out there so no one is at cross purposes.
You play magic, commandant? You never said.
Is Ravnica = Return to Ravnica regarding legality.
Is 13 available to update on the game?
I keep trying to make myself look through mirrodin but it is so intimidating, wall to wall artifacts...
What are the suggestions on multiplayer games? We often played it that way that you only could attack to your left and also couldnīt cast any spells directing a player to anyone else but the left player.
I should be on the magic site ready to play from about 11 or so tonight. I have my humans and ghosts standard deck, or my rather bent legacy counter/burn deck, which is a lot better since adding all the funny lands.
Sorry Siby!
The only card I really didn't like in your deck was the one that casts mind control pretty much for free.
Still won't connect for me for some reason
I hate having to ask 'counter? ' everytime I cast anything!
I vote Lightning boots out....overpowered magic slippers!
2 mana protection from spells and abilities 0 to equip.....insane
OK, calming down... why do I keep seeing messages like 'bob gets giant aardvark as a reward for this game?'
He's even better in sealed than normal. Why is he only 5 mana?
Still won't connect for me for some reason
Do you get any error messages?
Still won't connect for me for some reason
Do you get any error messages?
server closed connection
Abnormal exit
He is spanking the crap out of my own zombie list with humans. He keeps championing of the parish me. with some delver summoner blue human, who turns into a human insect if you have a sorcery on the top of your lib. 2 tokens for the champion a turn!
Anyway, does transforming count as 'entering the battlefield' ? Not sure.
Anyway, does transforming count as 'entering the battlefield' ? Not sure.
I don't think so.
Play for free on the magic site we use instead!
Play for free on the magic site we use instead!
Adaptive automaton
Krenko is the highest rated card ever on gatherer! Amazing.
does gavony township count as a basic land? or does basic land only mean plains, island, mountain etc.
I'm quite pleased with the cow deck!
Moooooooo!
Finlay and I did sealed in the mercadian masks block... it is full of hilariously awful cards.
W hat blocks might be good for sealed towie ?
Edit: BTW, gonna try to get the program up and running tomorrow...I finally have a day off!
The amusing thing is the only game my elflings have won was when you cast that spell!
is splashing green into a goblin deck for a few spells viable. thinking 4 rootbound crags and 4 forests and 12 mountains.
How do you get rid of indestructible things
Oblivion ring ?
Tragic slip is such a humiliating way to kill a creature. And it makes no sense! 'Your 8/8 angel slip on a banana skin and dies.' Stupid!
The problem with standard constructed is that it starts to feel inevitable after a while. You know what's going to happen!
Sealed is a way better test of deckbuilding skill too.
My last 5 games vs random people Ive played 3 variants of delver/counter/talrand and 2 variants of consecrated sphinx + phyrexian metamorphs.
Boring! Use different ideas.
Planeswalkers are really lame, so Im not looking up the rules.
I just dont think there is too much repetition amongst the standard decks the WE people use.
Who are they meant to be, you? so you kill yourself to win a game?
If you include someone's name in a sentence that usually pops up in their little box at the bottom too, but not just to them.
I got it installed, built my first deck, and it's nice! Takes a bit to wrap your head around the fact that you have to do everything yourself (no counting mana by the program or anything like that), and then it's awesome.
:-D
Ah, siberius has used that against me before.
Tired rufus is grumpy. Sorry Finlay!Don't be sorry, but I dont see why you'd come on if you werent going to enjoy it that night! It will just make you crosser and then think you hate magic.
Tired rufus is grumpy. Sorry Finlay!
Haha! I just made a vampire deck! Yeah!
...but my laptop takes ages to turn on.
Too late for the four player game and now I'm the fifth wheel! Depressing.
And I got two 'mythic rare' planeswalkers out of six pretend booster packs. Two! I'm haunted by the wretched things.
ths is taking forever
I little love letter from adventure time to magic the gathering
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqnJ3TgZNdo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqnJ3TgZNdo)
Boo to humans!
They get me everytime... I don't think it helps that I like to build slow decks and there are too many things that eat creatures for breakfast...
I will have my vengeance though! :evil:
rockabill, you're always on at dodgy times!
What country are you from?
Does anyone know what the werewolf/transforming cards look like in real life? Do you just get two cards in the pack, before and after? I'm curious.
Think I know what my main problem is.
I like to build decks with some variety which means it often doesn't work out how I would hope.
I am gonna try and have more 4 repeat decks.
Playing Rufus 4 times in a row, it was like he got everything he needed each time, just when needed. Good deck building I would say!
The more you play and build decks too, the more you realise how hard it is to find the balance between fun and competitive.
I do like the idea of some 'common only' decks though for a different slant... what do you guys reckon?
I also think a small sample size can lead to rash decisions on a deck.
You can't really use sideboards unless you always play best of three.
Rufus, if you think your humans are too powerful, why dont you take out a few of the best creatures? Ie champion of parish!
I think I got Rufus down to one health with his humans last night before he killed me. Or at least he maybe had 5 and I had the spell on top of my library that would have finished it.
I can't make an angel deck. too slow!
I'm curious on what you guys think of board sweepers like "day of judgement", "mutilate", "barter in blood" etc.
Rufus, you don't carry board sweep spells because you always have 3 times as many creatures out :-P
I'm beginning to warm to some of the Mirrodin stuff....
Which is probably silly as that'll be the next thing to go right?
True, but I'm only making standard-legal decks at the moment, for some reason.to try and have some semblence of balance?
I have played a couple of randoms and unfortuantely they seem to mostly play multiple planeswalkers and decks that just stall you. I usually find myself wanting to click lose halfway through.
Truth be told, Noibn often makes me want to do that too. :-P
I just conceded a game with 20 life still intact. That's how under control I was. :ph34r:
Maybe it's just me, but I find it impossible to build a "fun" constructed deck in t2.
How about highlander decks then? Only 1 x of any given card (apart from basic lands) allowed?
Sealed games tend to be more fun because they are decided much later, have more variety, and are usually a lot closer.
My rule is pick the two colours with the most creatures, because you need as many creatures as possible in sealed. So I should have gone green blue in this case.
But I chose this instead! I deserved my beating.
also without that trampling I have overlooked I would have crushed you under my heel like an ugly bug.
Also, EDH seems to be another term for commander which is apparently a version where you pick out a general of the your deck, a legendary creature, which determines the colours you can use. He has his own special rules and can keep coming back. Sounds interesting, but a little complicated for now...
Oh dear, you sound a bit bitter towie!
Have you got the gccg magic program to work yet? You could be playing us!
All that being said, maybe we could agree to use the highlander mulligan rule. If you have 1,2 or 7 lands you can reveal your hand and get a free mulligan... What dya reckon?
It does! I just missed that completely.
The problem with magic is that it seems more often than not one player thrashes the other. It is so hard to have a close game. I have had a few recently like my insane samurai vs wall game with noibn that must have gone a good 30 turns or more!
In warhammer it is easier to turn things round or have one half of the board in your favour and thr other not. There is alwqys something amazing you can pull off. Well at least mostly.
Buy many games of magic just leave you feeling a bit empty.
Two games against Rufus. First one I got massacred with only a birds of paradise on the field.
Second one he had me almost dead but then I layed down what I needed and he barely stood a chance.
All that being said, maybe we could agree to use the highlander mulligan rule. If you have 1,2 or 7 lands you can reveal your hand and get a free mulligan... What dya reckon?
It obviously won't eliminate the problem, but it will help that annoying land screw issue that can ruin games. What dya reckon guys?
I'm looking forward to that mirodin block going out of standard.
I hate all the cards in it for no good reason.
To be honest I don't know how much land is right in a 100 card deck. I went for 34 I think.
Also, I'm thinking of buying some actual cards... I think I can buy my ghost deck without it costing too much. Maybe that's a bad idea though.
I could buy them...I have like over 100 $.
Looking at cards of a similar value in the set that I don't have, I am missing Disciple of Bolas, Shimian Spector, Planar Cleansing.
From Innistrad, the expensive ones I am missing are: Reaper from the Abyss, Olivia Voldaren, Geist of St Traft, Garruk. Any others you are missing?
As you draw an instant or sorcery with miracle, if it's the first card you've drawn this turn, you can immediately reveal it. When you do so, you may cast it for its miracle cost. It doesn't matter whether it's an instant or sorcery; if you choose to cast it, you do so right away, even if it's at a time (such as your draw step) when you couldn't normally cast it. You're not required to reveal a miracle card, even if you could pay for it. You can always choose to just draw it as normal.
You're allowed to cast the first card you draw each turn if it has miracle, so if you find ways to draw cards during your opponent's turn, you get another chance for a game-breaking, miraculous moment.
It's easy to forget that we play relatively friendly decks and most of what we think rocks, or is broken, probably not ad muchcas we think...
One in two people is hurt every game by poking themselves with their demons.
I think the trepanation blade milling all your best demons away was what finished you really!
I'm making a new highlander deck now. It takes ages.
Mirrodin is standard legal though.
Ha ha, that's right! I hate mirodin.
Not long till it's gone.
Ha ha, that's right! I hate mirodin.You only hate it because you cant be bothered to look at whats in it because it's gone soon, not because it's broken!
Not long till it's gone.
Is Ravnica the one with all the samurai? Cos if so I may cry...
It winds me up too. All that poison stuff is lame.I dont have such time now that Ellie and ted are back, and I feel poorly so need to go to bed early!
You just quit the site without playing me!
I summoned seven angels on Siby last night, using that angel miracle spell. Amazing.Is everyone doing highlander angel decks?
You dont have to use them rufus! I think others should if they want. Or maybe not.
So it's a lot like standard then!
I'm not saying the card is unfair, just that it sounds kind of disgusting.
Says the man who uses a blade used to tap into people's skulls to open up their brains...
How does that all sound? *hoping for overwhelming joy*
I'm on now. Play me someone!What is this!? you can play online!? WHat have I been missing!! ::heretic::
I can see siby but he's ignoring me. :icon_sad:
How about this:
5 rares and 1 mythic as a basic starting point for each deck. However, you may have 1 extra rare for every color you add to your deck beyond the first.
For every uncommon card you have in your deck you must have at least two times as many commons.
What is this!? you can play online!? WHat have I been missing!! ::heretic::
m12 is standard, never mind extended.
There are not very many good red creatures if you are only allowed 5 rares.
Red's always been a bit dodgy on the creature front I reckon, much like blue. But nobody does cheap zapping better!
Good grief, ponder and preordain are banned in extended. How ridiculous.
I reckon standard with no duplication of cards would have been fine.
Were all the games you played against me? If so, maybe that's why you don't like it!Yes, and Siby didn't like it after playing you too! ha ha.
I think the 100-card thing is a mistake. It makes the decks more likely to fail in the worst possible way: no land/too much land.QuoteI reckon standard with no duplication of cards would have been fine.
I agree.
obelisk of alara = autowin. Unless I had drawn an artifact removal.
Feel sorry for decks which can't artifact remove.
I think I donīt even have a mythic card in...what do they look like.
I actually won't play a three colour deck, so I think the alara block is useless to me.
I only like 2-colour decks.
Wow, this is a dreadful card!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175038&type=card)
Did they forget this one?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12376&type=card)
Wizards has been lowering the power of counterspells for awhile now. Except for that stupid phyrexian mana one that ruined Legacy for awhile. No idea what they were thinking.
Bad first impression, alara block!
What is it that you're not enjoying?
Is it the randomness?
Wizards has been lowering the power of counterspells for awhile now.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=179544&type=card)
Not sure how often you get to counter two spells at once...
What is it that you're not enjoying?I'm not sure, I just havent enjoyed any of the games. Havent had a close game yet.
Is it the randomness?
worst card ever
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=197880&type=card)
This is the worst card ever:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=34917&type=card)
I'll make a sealed deck too then at some point. I guess if we make them in advance we can kick straight into it.
I realised at some point that some of the decks I had made early on are extended too so I should be able to go against your new deck Finlay.
I think my mill deck will be very dodgy so don't worry if I use it on you anyone!
Is it really that bad? I mean it's like a 4 points of direct damage Fireball for +1 colourless mana, where that one colourless gets you a 2/2 creature.
Is it really that bad? I mean it's like a 4 points of direct damage Fireball for +1 colourless mana, where that one colourless gets you a 2/2 creature.
I admit that I was exaggurating a bit, but I still think it's up there. It lacks the flexibility of Fireball (which also isn't amazing). Fireball can kill a 1-toughness guy on turn two, burn for 4, or finish an opponent at 10 life in the late game. Goretusk Firebeast only does one of the above. Honestly, for 6 mana, I'd take a 4/4 with evasion or a 5/5 vanilla over the Firebeast.
But again, my opinion is tainted by my love of Flametongue Kavu, possibly the best red creature ever printed. If I had a dollar for every 2-for-1 trade (or even 3-for-1, after bouncing him with the Shivan Wurm I played the next turn) good ol' FTK has given me, I'd be a rich man. Then they print this guy, as if Wizards went all FTK apologist.
Back in the good old days of invasion block construted I would face FTK's regularly, I can't count the number of times I've responded to a FTK being played by playing a bounce spell on my own creature. Having the opponent deal 4 damage to his own creature was priceless. =)
It's got a high rating on gatherer, and the comments claim it won a lot of tournaments, or something. So there you go!
Fake hobbits?
I am trying to work out what those might be...
I tried making a new deck last night, but it felt too much like work so I stopped. Too many cards to look at!
Plus all those extra deck-building rules made it too complicated.What is this!? you can play online!? WHat have I been missing!! ::heretic::
You download this program:
http://gccg.sourceforge.net/
And install it! Then you can play magic online for free.
Memnarch deck is what I play. :)
For a minute I thought you might mean kors and I was going to protest.
...and what's a kor? Is it a bit hobbit-y?
Oh dear, I think I just fireballed Noibn so hard he quit the game! ::heretic::
Oh dear, I think I just fireballed Noibn so hard he quit the game! ::heretic::
I'm officially not playing Noibn in modern!
Rufus had some technical deck difficulties today.
Can somebody help me here:
If I sacrifice a creature can I use regenerate?
If I can does the regeneration cancel the sacrifice?
Highlander is so annoying. At least 70% of the time. Too random!
Every time I play normal I feel like it's a 5 minute race to see who's trick works fastest!
I cant remember what the name of the card was (something the lion) he was a creature that if you use his ability, all creatures in play die. The tag line was something about king of the jungle. was a white magic card.
yeah my brother had him in his deck. I was lucky enough to have a spell that melted him.I cant remember what the name of the card was (something the lion) he was a creature that if you use his ability, all creatures in play die. The tag line was something about king of the jungle. was a white magic card.
This guy?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=24565&type=card)
Solid card. He rotates in and out of my EDH deck.
You can never have enough global removalyeah my brother had him in his deck. I was lucky enough to have a spell that melted him.I cant remember what the name of the card was (something the lion) he was a creature that if you use his ability, all creatures in play die. The tag line was something about king of the jungle. was a white magic card.
This guy?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=24565&type=card)
Solid card. He rotates in and out of my EDH deck.
That card layout annoys me though.
I think it's a preview for the next block, or something. It comes out about a month before the new block.
I think voltorb might be back!
Plus that deck has this guy, who is blue/red-tastic:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96952&type=card)
Perhaps next time we meet up we can do some sealed games for real or something?
He's quite expensive, but cool. His flavour text is awesome!
Rufus, I think I have a spare of one of the cards you were looking for.
I just bought some actual magic cards.
Aurochses, so I can make an aurochs deck. It should be amazing.
Where did you buy them from?
Got 7th in my local standard tournament last night, which won me a pack as prize. I ripped a Bonfire of the Damned as my rare. 8-)
What are the shitty hobbits called, kithkin ?
Make a green deck with huge creatures instead!I tried, but my green deck with huge creatures didn't work at all
I'm keen to use my new themed decks. No more boring highlander for a while!
I don't get this card.
You discardit to add one token?
Seems a bit... inefficient.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=222717&type=card)
I'm thinking about even more specialised... kithkin knight army!
Out of interest, what sorta decks are you guys making? Anything goes decks or what? I'd love to build a kor deck so we can have a battle if the weird k creatures!
Regarding longbow archers:
This version is amazing:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3719&type=card)
while this version sucks:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=25549&type=card)
I don't get this card.
You discardit to add one token?
Seems a bit... inefficient.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=222717&type=card)
Surely that's a she.
Your deck was so absurdly fast and mean that I felt forced to unleash the humans of doom on it!Except you only tried it once vs each of your new decks. too small sample size. Although I think the squid deck is a particularly bad matchup.
Not one to play against nice decks.
I find it very hard to resist the temptation to add 4 oblivion rings to any deck with white.
...
Do I keep no oblivion rings to make the deck friendly, and if someone plays something I cant deal with, then I just take it on the chin as a loss, purely relying on the speed of the deck to win before the opposition gets anything unplayable out.
I have zilch from that block, but I finally finished Dark Ascension. Including buying something or other off Rufus!
Cow power!are there any deck search cards you could use to get the herds earlier? once the herds come out it's tough to stop them. trample tastic.
And I completed cold snap! I like cold snap - all those snowy cards! Ice age with better art.
Hey Siby,
This is indeed banned! In extended and modern.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=198383&type=card)
Not in legacy though.
Hey Siby,
This is indeed banned! In extended and modern.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=198383&type=card)
Not in legacy though.
Didn't help me out all that much, I still lost to a 9/9 flying first stike halfling... I ask you which is more wrong! :-P
Plus it is totally in keeping with my deck so I am keeping it in there until someone decides it's broken how I play it. I mean it really only searches for artifacts which there are a bunch of other cards you can use for anyways. Not to mention diabolic tutors and the like.
I don't know why it's much better than say... Elvish Piper...
Planeswalkers = the worst thing ever to happen to magic.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=152682&type=card)When I do that my brother rage quits. :::cheers:::
+
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139508&type=card)
= hilario.
When I do that my brother rage quits. :::cheers:::
stoneforge mystic
I'm going to make an ent deck tomorrow. Ents and hobbits! lorwyn = lotr.
do you splash other powerful creatures into a deck built on leafcrowned elder and runed stalactice? treefolk harbinger, leafcrowned elder, stoneforge mystic, runed stalactic, bit of land, then a bunch of amazing fatties.
senseis top is well banned!
I remember you complaining about the alara charms and they cost 3 different colours to cast!
I like white/blue or black/white.
Will this first set boot alara from extended?
I think I am the only confusing one and that's because I am down as Vaskel, not thinking that I would be playing anyone I knew...
I'm thinking of making an EDH but need to read what it is
Legacy, t2, modern, extended, highlander.
I'm thinking of making an EDH but need to read what it is
Legacy, t2, modern, extended, highlander.
I'm thinking of making an EDH but need to read what it is
In EDH you have a general that you cast from the command zone, as far as I know all of the cards are useable and you can not have copies of any card. Decks are 100 cards normally.
40 life! No thanks. Highlander takes too long as it is.
EDH is kindof designed to take awhile, since it's a social format.
I hate doran the stupid siege tree. Why is he 3 mana!They consistently undercost the multicoloured creatures. ie entire naya stuff, wooly thoctar!
Towi, what sort of times of day are you likely to frequent the gccg?
They consistently undercost the multicoloured creatures. ie entire naya stuff, wooly thoctar!
I guess in real life the cost of the multi lands oyu need is somewhat prohibitive.
Rufus just turn 3'd me.
lame!
I want to play the tribal land. Crsher Zendikar?
So basically it's an incentive to buy more multilands. Which are all rare and expensive. Great.
Also, they hardly print any land destruction these days, and what they do print is weak.
Run Hans...its the Drelnoch!
I don't think much of ghost quarter. I've included it in decks a few times, purely because of the name, and never wanted to activate it. It's not wasteland.
My very most favourite fluff text.
Ach!
If there are no nonland permanents on the battlefield other than an Oblivion Ring, and the card it exiled was another Oblivion Ring, casting a third Oblivion Ring will result in an involuntary infinite loop that will end the game in a draw
If Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield before its first ability has resolved, its second ability will trigger and do nothing. Then its first ability will resolve and exile the targeted nonland permanent forever.
On another note entirely, I was just looking at the rulings for oblivion ring on gatherer:QuoteIf there are no nonland permanents on the battlefield other than an Oblivion Ring, and the card it exiled was another Oblivion Ring, casting a third Oblivion Ring will result in an involuntary infinite loop that will end the game in a draw
:icon_eek:
Even better:QuoteIf Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield before its first ability has resolved, its second ability will trigger and do nothing. Then its first ability will resolve and exile the targeted nonland permanent forever.
So, you cast oblivion ring, and the exile ability goes on the stack. Then you respond to it by casting something to return the ring to your hand... boomerang or whatever.
Now the target is exiled forever, and you can cast your oblivion ring again! What the hell. ::heretic::
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139414&type=card)
I think it works with Fiend Hunter too.
dont do any of that to me rufus, or I'll virtually punch you in the face
Sorry Towie!
I clicked 'modify' instead of 'quote!'
What an idiot. :blush:
Really I think it would have been a close game except he had noyhing to remove my hold at 7 life wurm.
I think it's three mana, so no luck. Lots of other good spells to use with it though!
Fire/ice is good, since you get two spells to choose from whenever you activate the sceptre. Either 2 damage that you can split up, or tap something and draw a card. Nice! Or impulse to dig through the deck looking for good stuff. Or lightning bolt. Or, of course, counterspell.
Anyway, I bought some sceptres cheap on ebay. So I'm making that deck for real!
Hey, using the sceptre counts as playing an instant, so untaps voltorb too!
By the way, what do people think about isochron sceptres? Are they really annoying? It's the one where you load a 2-mana instant into it and then cast it every turn.
By the way, what do people think about isochron sceptres? Are they really annoying? It's the one where you load a 2-mana instant into it and then cast it every turn.
The key to seeing why Isochron Scepter isn't broken is to realize that if you can destroy the scepter, the owner is out two cards. Left unchecked, they get that 2-card investment back pretty quickly, but if you nail to scepter quickly they'll either break even or be down a card (depending on whether they have 2 mana up when they cast it or not.
Also, I love Isochron Scepter. It's probably in my top five favorite cards.
Hold on:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/jz4oerjvvr_en.jpg)
Rare?
Warning sign of excessive rareification in this set?
See also lame common 'gate' lands vs good rare lands. I feel a backlash coming on!
What's the point of these, and the significance of being not a spell?
(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/pch/141.jpg)
As to the artifact lands, they would be great in a metalcraft deck because you could run mainly no artifacts and all stuff that triggers off them... Some of which is potent.
"This mechanic reduces the total cost of the spell by the number of certain permanents in play under your control. "
dodgy turn one and two wins!
buying a box, of what?
Do you ever go on the programme towie, I never see you!
Just read them carefully. Draco version is way way better....
As they are both called "Legendary Creature - Dragon Wizard" can you have both of them in play?
Just read them carefully. Draco version is way way better....
As to the new sets, I haven't seen anything I liked yet
I hate that you dont like it Rufus, because magic is great if you can get some fairly matched decks.
i'd complain about izzet v golgari
Hmm, no ghosts so far. Where are the ghosts?
Any of you have Geist of St Taft but need a Liliana?
Both from Innistrad...
That Mana cost symbol for the Judge's Familiar, does that mean it can be cast for either 1 white or 1 blue mana? That would actually make it cheaper than if it cost 1 mana of a particular colour.
That epic experiment is very broken if you construct the deck.....same with the counterspell I counter all your spells this turn oh and you canīt counter this.
I don't really know though. Seems to me so far like they are just trying to make cards that slot right into Rufus's best decks. Which frankly is not good. :-P
I suppose so. I didn't realise there were this many rares in a set though! Is this a normal number?
Hmmm, wasn't avacyn a big set too? Maybe they'll do two big sets a block now. More chaff cards to shower everyone with!
I did wonder where cold snap fitted in. I think they need to do another snowy block... with more aurochses in it!
I misd playing. Every time I manage to get on there there is no one but Noibn and he's not even there...
I just keep making new decks!
So Firemind's Foresight has you spend 7 mana to get 3 cards with a combined manacost of 6? 2 Cards advantage granted but expensive on the mana front!
Me and rufus played a one hour game of sealed, Kamigawa block!
It was good.
The block is pretty shit in general terms of power- it must have sucked in standard if you had a kamigawa deck and then they released better stuff. But it seemed to work well with sealed.
I just like the picture! It's atmospheric.
I just like the picture! It's atmospheric....problem is, the block sucked from a power level standpoint.
They decided to do an Asian-themed block because Magic was so Euro-centric.
Senseis Divining top
Senseis Divining top
Possibly the most tedious card of all time! Though I suppose it gives you the opportunity to go and make a cup of tea while your opponent messes around with the top three cards of their deck for ages.
The best magic sets are the ones with a strong theme, definitely. Which is why Alara and Zendikar don't work for me at all, but Innistrad does.
I just like the picture! It's atmospheric....problem is, the block sucked from a power level standpoint.
Kamigawa was certainly no Mirrodin block in terms of powerlevel, and that's a good thing. However i wouldn't say it sucked. Senseis Divining top, Jitte and Pithing needle all see plenty of legacy play.
I just like the picture! It's atmospheric....problem is, the block sucked from a power level standpoint.
Kamigawa was certainly no Mirrodin block in terms of powerlevel, and that's a good thing. However i wouldn't say it sucked. Senseis Divining top, Jitte and Pithing needle all see plenty of legacy play.
a few broken cards dont make the block power high.
Any of you guys gonna be on today? Got most of the day to myself...
What is the link to this program that you are using to play each other? I can't find it in the thread. Does it work on Mac OSX?
Here it is:
http://gccg.sourceforge.net/
And it does talk about using it on Mac OSX.
So I just jumped back on gccg and apparently RtR is available to update...
So I just jumped back on gccg and apparently RtR is available to update...
It is indeed.
I quite want to play sealed with the new set. If only anyone was on at the right time.
I wonder how much more tragic you can get.
Arranging to play MTG via an online programme, on a forum for warhammer, and referring to it as a date.
What has happened to Fandir and Noibn?
It's so weird to think of people taking a game that seriously.
It's so weird to think of people taking a game that seriously.
This is rufus "delete every deck if I lose-packup my greyknights if a rhino gets killed" sparkfire talking
The thing is, the guy in the thread wasn't playing a friendly deck. It was perfectly competitive, it was just a deck he'd thought up by himself instead of copying an internet deck. These are people who actually do want everyone to be playing delver decks, or whatever, and get upset if anyone has the temerity to show some creativity. And they complain it isn't fair if someone wins with a different deck! It's impossible to understand.
Might have to go on there again!
Why is this only 3.7 on gatherer?
rufus' centaur tokens annoyed me!
Someone tell me Ģ7.40 is too much for one card!
I called my new potential good deck 'win' which is a bit presumptuous and arrogant but there are only so many names I can think of.
Did they reprint llanowar elves in m13? Or are we stuck with shitty arbor elves.
good point, I forgot they were forests and the other land.
So it is probably good in a green/white/black deck.
I'm using it anyway!
Not least being able to use cards you otherwise never would...
What would be funny is a kicked rite of replication by an opponent, suddenly they win instead!
There are a couple of green cards that let you play a bunch of stuff depending on how much mana you put in, I forget what they are called, green sun zenith perhaps?
I'm so behind the times!
I couldn't let him survive to become scary!
You need exile effects to beat undying, which really only white and red have. I should put some exile-burn spells in my izzet deck, maybe.
new pc arriving on wed/thurs, then I can be on more again!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/h6ewtukll4_en.jpg)
is this total shite... or is it just me?
Are the centaurs really protected from black?
Rufus that deck is fast! Nice way to use champ of lambholt.
Yes, they do. I made a Boros deck last night, but I did it pretty fast so it might not have all the best stuff. Also did Orzhov and Simic. The other two look a bit boring.what do i need to do to update?
OK, good!
Can you multi extort? If so, very nice.
So I am missing gideon, aurelia's fury, soul ransom right now.
I have multiples of pretty much everything else so I am up for swappsies!
So perhaps RTR is better to use mixed in with other cards, but the guilds in gatecrash win guild fights
I was thinking of adding searing spear to the gruul deck and making it aggro burn, like my goblins were. So sad they arent standard anymore.
Whats the instant win with the orzhov mage? I dont see it?
When m12 left standard, I lost goblin chieftain and goblin grenade and arsonist. Chieftain was as key as krenko, because then the tokens were 2/2 and hasted! Goblin grenade was my favourite though.
The boros goblin certainly makes goblin tokens a lot better.
I ended the game with a 8/9 cloudfin raptor, a 5/6 cloudfin raprot, an 8/10 crocanura, a 4/9 elusive krasis and the 7/9 biomancer.
You know for all our griping about various things being too weak or strong, really we don't play the game properly. In theory we should be sideboarding to adjust for deck weaknesses.
Sideboard would help me because I almost never take artefact or enchantment removal, and it does screw me some games.
Boros is amazing! competitive players hate battalion, apparently.
I hope you can figure it out rufus. The spells requiring you to have nothing in hand are confusing.
Didn't know sideboards weren't official. But you have to admit they have the potential to smoove things out. Take my useless wurm deck for example. I don't have much flyer defence but I could sideboard in 4 fly killers if need be which would make game 2 more of a match. Rather than having to give up like we usually do.
And it would be nice not to have to stick 4 o rings and 4 pacifisms in every white deck I play. Talking of using the same few cards in every deck...
Are you on tonight?
Siby's blue/green wall deck is better than yours, Finlay! Ha ha. :icon_razz:I was just going to say that- I could never get mine to work! Either not enough walls, so not enough mana to bring in the fattys, or when I had the mana base I didnt draw any finishers.
Biovisonary wont work. The cloning cards are expensive, so when you have enough mana for them the other person will be smashing your face in. Thats not to mention actually getting the first into play, and not removaled, o-ringed, pitfight or whatever.
Worth a try for a laugh though
Evolve was pretty nifty when rufus pulled out 3 of those birds in 2 turns!
Wayland has the intro decks for Ģ10.15 with free shipping. I cant check how much firestorm shipping is.
Looks like a better version of the blue 5/5 I hate which is to trigger evolve. Would cards have ss when they return to the battlefield? I'm also thinking about those rings which add counters.
shocklands are Ģ11! mentality.
shit! Master biomancers are Ģ7.90.
I'm not buying them.
I'd be gutted if I got a mythic, and it was Giant Adephage. Ģ2.30.
I feel bad buying the event deck when I already have the boros intro pack.
What if he blocks someone, then exiles himself, comes back and evolves my other creatures. Can that evolution let them kill things they otherwise wouldnt?
Rufus did you make a sealed deck too?
rules question, can this be boosted on entry to make it 2 power so it evolves 1 power simic creatures?
you kept watching our games but not doing anything!
but to test decks without them, you have to fight decks without them otherwise it is at a big disadvantage
He also has 4 tarmogoyfs for $285! Mental
They're reprinting them in the upcoming Modern Masters set
can you kill the HPoP yourself?
Did I get one in my booster? did I give hm to you if so? I meant to!
Maybe something that makes him fly would be nice, then he can block most anything.
Why did you buy a simic one, do you want to make a simic deck? How much did you spend? the bundles of 4 seem to go at ok-ish prices.
Yes, I can't quite bring myself to buy cards. although I really want to.. Ģ20 per deck seems a lot to me, let alone per card or per bundle of four.
What's the point of alchemist's refuge?. Isn't flash good and instants good to let you do it on your opponents turn? Could you activate its ability in opponents turn?
I don't really understand why it's that good. It's just a really cheap creature, isn't it? I might have to try it out on the computer some time (for free! Ha ha!).
Would you use deathrite without green though? Maybe. I suppose his black ability is the best one. I don't currently use any one mana creatures that I'm that bothered about getting back!I wouldn't use it in an orzhov deck because I think mixing guilds is a bit dodgy! But I think for competitive play, deathrite shaman is good. Even without green the top two abilities are good.
I suppose it's quite good, so long as you put some things in to benefit from all the modes. I actually like the Simic one more though.
Also, people seem to think orzhov charm is good:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366436&type=card)
But I don't really see it. It's like three cards I wouldn't particularly want to use stuck together.
Magically whipping Finlay to death = awesome!
It makes up for bombing against Siby.
cos my normal win record is about 33% or less!
I think youve whipped me to death twice and I;ve whipped you to death once. Dodgy!
I want to buy 2 boosters just for the thrill.
But if you get on a losing streak it is seriously depressing!
Magic is almost always an anticlimactic ending, even in a good game. If the game is bad it is annoying because your deck sucked and if it is good, it is annoying because they pulled the rug out from your plan. The main consolation for this is that you generally take it in turns to win/lose.dunno, I tend to quite often have good games.
I think I have a syndic of tithes, and also another orzhov card you might want from the boosters from the boros intro deck.
I think counters in a simic deck is a good idea.
I'm on there right now you know :-Psorry siby, I was making pancakes then playing max payne 3, didnt realise you were on
That magic site you used is cheap. But they dont have loads of stuff I want. No searing spears! They are commons, and you can buy 4 for a pound on ebay.
No rancor! heresy. rancor is expensive on ebay
what does this do if you choose 3 the same?
I am hoping that blue will get a look in more too, just for variety. I know sometimes we go simic but it has mainly felt like boris, orzhov or gruul...
I wish I had sold some of the good rares we got when we drafted. There were times when people would be offering us $30 for one that we just won! But we were silly and wanted to hold onto them...
I'll make a deck too.
:icon_eek: Just looked up a few old cards I have on a cheapish shop called the magic card trader.
Vindicate = Ģ17
Wasteland = Ģ35 (I have 4!)
Vampiric tutor = Ģ15.40 (I have 2 or 3)
Plateau = Ģ32
I have visions of trying to sell these on ebay and getting a couple of quid for each...
Its not rakdos if it has no rakdos cards!
My Rakdos deck:
If a thing dies, it goes into graveyard, even if only for a second.
Surely?
Check with someone who actually knows the rules!
So do any of you guys pay any attention to the 'story'?
To be honest, the closest I have come is reading the little quotes on the cards, which sometimes are quite fun!
But I find the magic universe has so much in it and seemingly lots of it just doesn't gel so I find it hard to want to get into. But I feel like I have seen black library-like books for it. Just curious really.
I think it goes into the graveyard, then the undying effect triggers, and when it resolves it comes back into play. So there's time to exile it in between. But I'm not sure!
Are they gonna get banned do you reckon? With all the cards from over the years I bet you could make it happen super quick... especially as green is king of mana ramp and blue is king of copying... could be having fast wins...
Do you not get the feeling your biovisionary deck would be better as an elf agro ramp deck?
I think i might do some sealed games against you guys but I think I would suck immensly at pre build deck games.
I think i might do some sealed games against you guys but I think I would suck immensly at pre build deck games.Why would you suck?
That said, I thought the muzzy izzet deck I made was decent enough? Teleportal, gutter snips and goblin electromancers are well good.
Whats this for?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366353&type=card)
I got it in my booster
I guess I may be able to easily adapt those 100 card decks we made before by just picking a general.
Can he be the only legendary card?
Is 40 land too many?
I already want to play magic again!
ha! opposite of the idea of EDH.
Good grief, you're allowed to use sol ring in EDH decks! It's kind of tempting to just look up all the cards that are banned normally but allowed in EDH, and stick them all in a deck...
Maybe we should limit which sets are used. Some of the stuff that's allowed is absurd.but counterbalanced by there only being 1 in your deck, and 100 cards to draw.
I'm going to end up with a horrible counter-burn deck that kills you by triggering old Niv-Mizzet's ability when drawing cards.
That looks OK. Is it going to be all those annoying alara creatures though? Boooo!
I might limit mine to recent cards.
Not sure. I expect I'll just arbitrarily restrict my card choices, then complain about yours.Innistrad onwards?
Innistrad onwards?
Lorwyn onwards?
I decided not to play blue! I'd either have bad spells or amazing ones.What have you got? I might try and make a bird edh deck!
Is anyone likely to be on soon?
Maybe use this as general:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=79217&type=card)
Random dog with no powers!
How about, in an attempt to get some games with less craziness, we make some normal, 60 card pauper decks (common only).
I only want the dog if he does nothing useful!Moat has been allowed in every format for ever! same level of bannedness as anything
I can't believe moat is allowed. Moat! This format is stupid.
However, I think I overreacted to the moat.
I remember now, we put a limit on numbers of rares and mythics in edh didn't we before. I wonder if my decks reflect that or if it was after.that was when we were doing 60 card decks.
I must admit, I like the idea of less/no rares, except I don't know how that would work with the commanders. *shrug*
could tryt that. need to be clear on what sets we are using.
How about, in an attempt to get some games with less craziness, we make some normal, 60 card pauper decks (common only). I don't even care if we expand it back to use any sets people want to build them as with it being commons, they should be not too bad. Maybe we could try building a few decks and see if it works or if it sucks. I've always wanted to try it though.
there isn't enough deck variation.
I just wasn't expecting moat. My fault for playing a standard-legal deck!I can't believe how expensive it is.
there isn't enough deck variation.
But we change decks all the time. If you played other people there would probably be less variation, since a lot of them will be playing whatever boring thing is popular at tournaments at the moment.
But we dont have that mnuch variation. I tend to use mostly simic, sometimes gruul and boros- legacy birds or sealed. Boros is kinda boring and gruul needs finetuning. I guess because I lost all my other decks
What about either no mythic rares, or no legendaries?
Or a real life deck. Like how I bought 3 decks for 20 quid by not getting dual lands or expensive rares.
But extended means including the scars of mirrodin block, which I am allergic to. The very sight of a mirrodin card makes me angry! So it would just be standard plus some stuff that makes me not want to play. :icon_sad: We could limit it to modern and also ban anything mirrodinish! Then it would include interesting sets like old ravnica and time spiral.are even the commons in those sets bad though?
Kamigamiwawa constructed will be good, I think. Just don't look up the good cards! Oh, and no sensei's divining top. Life is too short to watch someone piss about with that thing every turn.ok
Maybe no Umawhatsit's Jitte either, or everyone will have it. And then say 'oh, I had no idea this was good!' :icon_razz:
But we dont have that mnuch variation. I tend to use mostly simic, sometimes gruul and boros- legacy birds or sealed. Boros is kinda boring and gruul needs finetuning. I guess because I lost all my other decks
I have way more decks than that! So does Siby.humans, ghosts and vampires. which I've played loads. Probably more! but I do feel like we have done a lot of the matchups a lot.
What about either no mythic rares, or no legendaries?
They aren't always good though. And they can be fun. Epic experiment is fun even though it's been useful about twice out of all the times I've cast it.agreed. but then you get really good commons and uncommons too. It's hard to add restrictions really, not sure I like doing it.
Or a real life deck. Like how I bought 3 decks for 20 quid by not getting dual lands or expensive rares.
My Izzet deck is my actual one.
It's hard to add restrictions really, not sure I like doing it.
I'll make my three real decks then! but they'll lose to anything that isn't, probably.
Well, theyre roughly 10 pounds each, so Ģ80 for the 8 dual lands. Pretty expensive.
Right, but I was saying that if you were talking about competitive decks then dual lands are a must!
doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
I don't know how much I dig kami. It seems just as crazy and random as lorwyn, only with even odder rules and a sucky theme. I realised it wad old ravnica I had done with noibn now.
But I will give kami a chance. I made a sealed deck earlier. It was hard because everything has so many long winded rules to read through. Nothing seemed to just be normal.
I like the middle earth-ish feel of lorwyn. If it seems too random we could always go back sometime and split them into the two halves, doing say lor and it's mini block 3 of each. Should bring a little more cohesion.
In terms of pauper I say we just make them from whatever we feel like. I have mostly made a white 'animal' (no birds) theme deck so far. This may sound strange but I was enjoying that I would find something and think oh that will be amazing in here only to find it was uncommon or rare. I like that it kills a bunch of usual 'auto' takes or powerful force multipliers.
Goblin grenade is pauper legal! fallen empire common. yee haw
My Simic pauper deck was really good at pondering/owling/snaking its way through the cards. But not so good at actually doing anything!Goblin grenade is pauper legal! fallen empire common. yee haw
Uh oh, it's 'find all the power cards' time already! Poor Siby and his rubbish wurms.
I don't think gccg has pauper as a legality thing does it?
I don't think I've ever looked at the onslaught block, actually! It's a total mystery to me.
Rufus's deck felt a bit effective
I think maybe some decks might be better than others. I can see burn decks being nasty with all the instant bolt variations through the years, but I think that is where our 'nice' filter has to kick in. If something seems too evil, it probably is.Agreed. Goblins seem good, but without krenko, adaptive automaton and goblin chieftain they shouldnt be too bad.
But hey we can try stuff and if after a few encounters with other decks it seems silly, not use it. Rufus's deck felt a bit effective to me but even with a bunch of random white animals, I cut it close and was in it a long time.
On the whole it seems to erase the most OP cards though. Zombies without their cheap uncommon +1+1ers may still be good, but probably won't have you dead in 5 turns like they can do... And most of the tribals should suffer similarly which is cool!
Just made a vedalken deck!
Wasn't affinity the broken mechanic that broke the game with its brokenness? The reason all the artifact lands are banned?
Wasn't affinity the broken mechanic that broke the game with its brokenness? The reason all the artifact lands are banned?
Not really. Affinity was kind of cool, but the act itself wasn't over powered. Artifact lands are banned because of the combos when you pull Mirridon out of standard and open everything up. During the block the Ravager, skull clamp, and cranial plating were the game winning combos. That and maybe loxodon warhammer.
Rogue elephant works... but is an elephant.
using cloud pirates in a deck I just made.
So many of the good stopmy creatures are rare.
My pestilence deck is pretty good, I think!Yeh, I definitely think there is enough card choice to make some really good decks. You can almost certainly make a better counter-burn deck than you can in standard.
I wish there were enough dwarfs to make a deck.
What's pestilence?
No, it's the one with an absurd number of absurdly broken cards!
Honestly, who would look at this and think, 'oh, that won't cause problems.'
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=8883&type=card)
And of course, the same block included cheap artifacts, cards that untapped your lands, cards that allowed you to draw loads of cards... turn one wins in standard.
Or, surely turning your ornithopter into any artifact in your deck for three mana is fine?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12383&type=card)
Right? What could go wrong!
Number of Urza block cards still on the legacy ban list = 7! More than any other block other than the original base set.
I actually really like the Urza block, but if I'd played in tournaments I wouldn't have felt the same.
Was that the grand Gerard and the Weather Light arc?
So trying to find a legend to lead my artifacts. This one seems too mean:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=180607&type=card)
How mean are you guys being with your generals now? Izzet wouldn't really be much of an issue with that last one would he? Just nab him as soon as he comes into play...
I am curious as to how people who play it in real life have fun.
I am curious as to how people who play it in real life have fun.
Yeah, some of those games were star games. I think it might just have been our group. Of course, we did have a guy who had a Sygg, River Guide deck that could control what five other players could and could not play. It was pretty ridiculous when the other players had to ask him if they could cast every spell. That game took forever.
Having said that, we haven't exactly played lots of games of it!
As long as you promise not to moan, or say its boring if the game lasts a while!
When have I played multiplayer? I don't hate it!
We are playing EDH now. It's not fun. :icon_sad:
I agree on the planeswalkers, but I do use them if I get one in sealed!
Siby, rufus totally Jaced me in one sealed game!
Siby, rufus totally Jaced me in one sealed game!
I don't agree that they are broken. There top level ability generally should be game winning. It takes work to keep them alive.
They are very easy to kill.
I don't agree that they are broken. There top level ability generally should be game winning. It takes work to keep them alive.
They are very easy to kill.
Some of them are. If you take the right kind of deck. Some of them pump out tokens or make you discard any chance of killing them or only take a couple of turns to hit their win ability. Jace drives me crazy. Once he is out that player spends about 80% of the game time for their turn while you are stuck waiting to get milled to oblivion or whatever other fate they have planned. Some control is ok, total control is boring.
Just telling people they can only play aggro isn't fair either!
Just arbitrarily stating whole deck styles are boring isn't fun either.
By 'people,' of course, I mean Finlay and Siby! We just play each other all the time.
If someone makes a deck that no one likes playing against, it doesn't get used any more.
Any deck that involves a lot of library-searching is way more painful on the computer than it is in reality. You just sit there, staring at the screen, waiting for something to happen... or possibly go and make a cup of tea and come back later to see if it's your turn yet.
Hating counterspells is pretty common, I think. That's why we're stuck with rubbish like 'cancel' these days! And also why there's no decent blue card draw spell in standard.
Counterspells are lame.
I hate on the programme casting something, then having to wait to see if it is cancelled.
I really like counter-burn decks. But I accept that other people don't really want to play against them, so I don't use them much.
I know burn decks, I love to play that type. But what is counter burn?
I think Innistrad was a big success? Someone said that before... probably towishimp actually.
Hey, why did these exist? One for each black combination only. Some sort of theme in whichever set it was?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=31757&type=card)
That's good for an uncommon land, surely!
I don't think there is a single wall in standard...
Not sure what finlays is...
Weenie aggro
Would be up for multiplayer!
Of course, when you have access to the entire library of cards then it might get a little odd.
I need to get a computer science degree to get that program working on my Mac!
I think Innistrad is so good because of the way the game mechanics also help to convey the theme of the set, not just the art and the fluff text. Yes, it's just a generic gothic horror theme, but it's done really well.
It has a few... 'unfortunate' cards like delver of secrets, snapcaster mage and geist of st traft, but not enough to ruin it.
Innistrad is amazing! Surely one of the best magic sets ever.
Come and play us on GCCG sometime!
You kind of ruined that pauper game by playing an extort deck in multiplayer! Even I wouldn't do that! :icon_razz:
Oh, did he? I must have been drunk then! I didn't realise.
Phil, Ravnica is good too. That's why standard is great at the moment. Two excellent blocks! No horrible return to mirodin block!
I may have only won because you weren't getting extort of both of us any more though :-P
Should be a cleric!
Is it racist if I say that voice of god card should be white? :icon_razz:
I'm happy to have a card price limit, but I'll need to know what it is
where I could easily go and buy 8 dual lands and 4 master biomancers. I just dont want to.
simic = the wittgensteins!
true, but at least its a 1/2 blocker. I think its worth more than 2.7!
I'm totally cool with Ģ2 on that site fin posted. I reckon no to the one card over too, just due to the fact that many of them are gonna be win cards.Yeh, I've done that. my real decks are, imaginatively, called "real" azorius, simic, gruul and boris
I'm gonna leave my other standard decks intact though and start building these under a new category.
yes, probably a lot better. a 2/1 flier, so decent to attack. mrs tappy never gets to block anyway as it taps itself.Quotesimic = the wittgensteins!
true, but at least its a 1/2 blocker. I think its worth more than 2.7!
They are!
As for Mr (Mrs?) Tappy, since the equivalent cards (like gideon's lawkeeper) are out of standard, he doesn't have much competition. There's a decent blue ghost with a tap/untap ability for 3 mana though.
I'm gonna leave my other standard decks intact though and start building these under a new category.
By definition, some bad cards have to exist. (The most important reason.)
Some cards are bad because they arent meant for you.
Some cards are bad because theyre designed for a less advanced player.
Some cards are bad because the right deck for them doesnt exist yet.
Bad cards reward the more skilled player.
Some players enjoy discovering good bad cards.
Some bad cards are simply R&D goofing up.
I was going to try and build a deck around this card:
So I made what will probably be a rubbish landkill deck instead!
That guy is gargantuan, has no legs l, purple smoke coming out of his groin and you are worried about how he is holding his spear?!No, the US does it a week before us sensible people over here :ph34r:
Spoiler alert. I might be able to get online tonight. Have you guys gone forwards an hour yet? I am guessing that might have happened this weekend. In which case I will likely be heading on just before 11 give or take.
Base sets I really like. Usually pretty simple and I end up using loads of them in my deck *cough lifelink exalted etc cough*. But then, I am not all that great at magic so that might be why!
Are they likely to continue the guild thing with a bit of each guild, or someyhing else?
Not sure I had a game where someone or both players didn't want to blow their brains out by the end... hmm... maybe that means there's something wrong with me!
Maze's end is like thawing glaciers for gates, except more expensive to use. And it has an incredibly unlikely alternate win condition. Is there anything else in standard that can search for gates, other than gatecreeper vine? I don't think so.
And it appears to be mythic! Prediction = cheap card!
Maze's End looks great for EDH
Maze's end is like thawing glaciers for gates, except more expensive to use. And it has an incredibly unlikely alternate win condition. Is there anything else in standard that can search for gates, other than gatecreeper vine? I don't think so.
And it appears to be mythic! Prediction = cheap card!
I think they already said that it was going to be gate-tasticMaze's end is like thawing glaciers for gates, except more expensive to use. And it has an incredibly unlikely alternate win condition. Is there anything else in standard that can search for gates, other than gatecreeper vine? I don't think so.
And it appears to be mythic! Prediction = cheap card!
The fact that the first spoiled card involves gates I guess goes some way towards hinting that they might become better... Or more involved at least...
Rufus is totally pwning me at the moment.
cant remember philly. Stab wound and 1000 lashes at least.
Rufus is sneaky, he refuses to play against certain things until you stop using them.
I don't feel like your decks are made purely to cause misery.
I thought you only did pauper Orzhov? No lashes in that one.
Maze's End looks great for EDH
But it won't be able to find many cards in EDH!
Hmm, good point. Will try to do that then!That's the point!
It's going to involve a lot of cards I normally discount as being too situational.
Ha ha! There are only four creatures in the history of magic that have plainswalk!
I'm not sure why. Tradition, perhaps!
Ok, lots of Kami cards which buff you if you have lots of cards in hand- what are the methods of doing so in kami?
I am going to have a rufusesque refusal to look at kami. :icon_razz:
Transparent card sleeves. Done!
QFT. Or just use the card with the tick boxes in your sleeve and have the real card in a stack off to the side.
I was thinking of a Kamigawa rat deck actually! I have a rat deck in standard (pack rat = the bestest).
I think I have only beaten your pack rat deck two times.
Once with a near identical rat deck and the other by making eveything I had immue to rats!
what are your thoughts of lifelink?
Morph was quite cool though. Great in a monster creature deck where they can just lay in wait until you need them huge.
Hehe Rufus, you just picked all the effects you like and dislike! But maybe that's what you meant, rather than best.
Mind gone blank!
I prefer the kamigawa flip cards. Just easier to use. I don't need piles of extraneous items. I just want to have my deck.The kami ones are probably easier in real life, but on the programme we use we can't read them properly.
Jitte ruled the roost. If you weren't using 4, you weren't competitive. People always had pithing needle in their sideboard. It got to the point where some people were main decking pithing needle and some sideboarding jitte!
Kamigawa had a japanese theme that appealed to about 1% of the population. The card art was bizarre, there was difficult synergy with Mirrodin (really not much that worked between the two) and some of the Kamigawa mechanics just don't mesh with other sets (arcane spell effects for example). It was just an odd time in 2004 - 2005 where everyone had just gotten out of a fun block (Onslaught) waded through a power odd block (Mirrodin) and were now stuck in strange block (Kamigawa). Things felt aimless.
Then Ravnica reminded everyone why Magic is so awesome.
The innistrad ones SUCKKKKKKKK
Think of it this way: Either you need two of every one of them (or more if you play multiples of them) or you need to pull them from your sleeves and turn them around physically every damn time you want to use them!
Ask Towni, he will back me up!
Philly, I'm glad you pay attention to the art on the cards. I feel that some of it really goes unappreciated.
I'm adding those titans from M12 to my list of 'magic cards that should never have been made.'
Who were you playing?
But if your'e playing a format that allows a T2 inferno titan then you could easily have a broken deck also that could deal with it :)
The only titan I was ever affraid of was primeval. Him and say landfall makes for some unfortunate issues...
This card is hilarious and lame at the same time:Maybe useable in an Commander deck. Making creatures red, so you attack through them?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1569&type=card)
Sing, dwarfs! Your song does nothing.
Sing, dwarfs! Your song does nothing.
since when do colours only have one creature?!
MOAR DWARFS.
I bet the owner of wizards hates them or something
Yeah, there really aren't many dwarves. But you know how it is, when they set creature types, after "The Dark" they pretty much decided that Goblins are red's creature. Even orcs are garbage.
They tried to play with that expectation in Odyssey and switched all the colors' traditional tribes around, and it just annoyed people and made Odyssey block's creatures play less well with other blocks'.
Not zombies? We all find that zombies stomp pretty much anything...
I am hoping to get on in about 1/2 hour... Incase anyone is around!Do you guys use Cockatrice?
unspeakable isnt good enough to have 12 cards in deck just for him.
And i hate slivers now!
I love them! They are fun in EDH :mrgreen:And i hate slivers now!
I've ALWAYS hated slivers.
That card looks designed for me.
Where did you find the simizorius card, I can#t see it on the link you sent?
I don't like sideways cards.
Render silent! a good counterspell!
Toil/trouble looks a bit rubbish, but maybe there will be some good ones for the other guilds.Toil/trouble seems to be designed for EDH, especially the Rakdos decks.
I like 'wear/tear' and 'render silent!'
Also, I wish Id bought 4 master biomancers when they first came out. Stop going up in price!
I think the point with master of cruelties is that he is ok, and can be effective in the right deck. But you could win a lot faster and more easily with a straightforward aggro deck.oh, yes, agree with that then. He is only 4 mana though
We'll see in a month or so!
Also, I wish Id bought 4 master biomancers when they first came out. Stop going up in price!
They've gone down a bit, I think. Ģ7 at magic card trader, which is expensive but not outrageously so.
I thought I'd watched an auction finish just over Ģ20 for four... maybe not.
Vorel is a man? Why is he wearing a bra?
Are there any standard cards that sac a creature to do damage. Would be an amusing way to end...
so extorting to stay ahead and gain control long enough to pull her isn't an unheard of scenario.
Imagine if we got that orzhov lady out vs you
Sphinxes were $17 each and Snap casters were a "steal" at $20.
personally, I find it boring to see all the same decks and cards dominating standard play.
lets copy some archetype some dude made is uncreative and boring.
Combo him with the legend who hurts people for casting non creatures, then massively slam someone with a huge "x cost" burn
And that your opponent continues to benefit while you do. But he is undercosted a bit for his body (although should have trample). I dont think hes good and wont be using him- just posted him.
Combo him with the legend who hurts people for casting non creatures, then massively slam someone with a huge "x cost" burn
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141264&d=1365739943)
WANT WANT WANT
WANT
WANT.
Putrify should replace abrupt decay in almost every deck.
Putrify should replace abrupt decay in almost every deck.
Did you not play during the original Ravnica block Siberius? Mortify and Putrify were rock solid versatile removal cards.
Yes, your weird Dimir beats me up a lot!
Putrify should replace abrupt decay in almost every deck.
Also, renegade krasis is good with unleash creatures.Hadn't thought of that! black, red, green looks pretty good
Apparently, when I play magic I am either complaining all the time or being insulting.
Plasm Capture uugg
Instant Rare
Counter target spell. At the beginning of your next precombat main phase, add X mana in any combination of colors to your mana pool, where X is that spells converted mana cost.
I wouldn't generally use a counter adding card.
oh, all the new cards were just cluestones!
It should cost no mana to sac it for draw.
Too good to not be mythic!
I thought they flat out said the made good cards mythics on purpose?
I can't think of many mythics that see a ton of standard play. Besides Giest of St. Traft, is there any?
I can't think of many mythics that see a ton of standard play. Besides Giest of St. Traft, is there any?
Well, all of these at various times: sphincter revelation, bonfire (of the vanities) of the damned, falkenreath aristocrat, huntmaster of the fells, the ghost council, Olivia Voldaran, thundermaw hellkite, quite a few planeswalkers.
Not an insignificant number!
I don't really like mythics, but they don't annoy me as much as they used to.
I've read about angel of serenity being tournie played on the wizards site. and rakdos' return i think.
is armada wurm not played? trostani? jarad? entreat angels? primordial hydra?
Incidentally trying to get on now but it won't let me for some reason!
I think you need master biomancer if you want to stand a chance against ghost councils and other such cards!
I guess I could do something useful.... :|
-Do I have to stick to Simic them exactly? Or can it just be mostly simic with some other stuff thrown in (blue green of course!).
although according to rufus' "price idea" then biomancer is played a fair bit.
Aren't most of the high dollar cards regular rares anyway? Most mythic rares are in the middle of the rare price range from what I have seen.
He looks like some kind of monk stripper. :?
Why is legions iniatitive mythic? What is the exile effect for?
Which goes against the pattern of normally most mythics are not the most expensive cards?
Is there a particular standard archetype built around comes into/leaves play abilities, which it mingles with nicely?
Why are you cross towie, the fact that its mythic will push its price even higher than if it was rare?
Did you see the 5 different coloured "maze" cards? Not sure about them
It would be nice if the fuse cards were all equally appealing. Just like all the guild leaders
obzedat says hi!
Dragonshift 1ur
Instant Rare
Target creature you control becomes a 4/4 Dragon with flying until end of turn.
Overload 3{U}{U}{R}{R}
That said, if you used another card to stack your library and know a higher cost card is coming, then you could have an advantage
I think you'll get annoyed with it Rufus
Tithe Drinker wb
Creature - Vampire Common
Lifelink
Extort
2/1
Profit // Loss
2w//2b
Instant // Instant Uncommon
Creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn.
//
Creatures your opponents control get -1/-1 until end of turn.
Fuse (You may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand.)
I nearly played my lifelink decl against you last night
I hate cards like this though. Way too much text. I never even bother reading them. I just assume they are rubbish and move on...
Pontiff of Blight 4bb
Creature - Zombie Cleric Rare
Extort
Other creatures you control have extort. (If a creature has multiple instances of extort, each triggers separately.)
2/7
Gruul War Chant 2RG
Enchantment
Each attacking creature you control gets +1/0 and can't be blocked except by 2 or more creatures
Uncommon
Hidden Strings 1U
Sorcery
You may tap or untap target permanent, then you may tap or untap another target permanent
Cipher Common
Scar troll is definitely good enough to build a deck around, and in fact I intend to!
Crypt Incursion
2b
Instant Common
Exile all creature cards from target player's graveyard. You gain 3 life for each card exiled this way.
orzhov got lots of good stuff.
bronzebeak moa amused me too! but dont think its that good.
Gyre sage is quite expensive, I think.
centaur coursers are to evolve stuff I guess, the simic 3 mana creatures wont be 3/3s.
I like the trample beast! didnt see that before. One more mana but doesnt need blue, for trample vs a shambleshark
How much are they?
I only what the Tesya and the tithe drinkers for my orzhov deck. I will probably just buy them separately.
Tessa has no protection
Rufus, I would say 2ur, purely because the situation somewhat came up with the artifact I was using in kamigamihawa and that us what gatherer said!
gyrse sage is Ģ1.80 on magic card trader
Question!
I have a goblin electromancer (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=253548) in play, and want to cast turn//burn, fused:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369080&type=card&options=rotate90)
Is the cost of each half reduced by one (so total cost 1UR)? Or is it one overall (total cost 2UR)?
I thought the same thing, looking at the set. It looks like a bucket of cold water to slow down decks since so far, RTR has been a BLAZING fast set.
In looking at it, sealed would suuuuuck.
are we using dual lands on gccg for a bit?
A shock land isn't significantly better than a gate
does anything cycle out of standard when dgm is released?
Money probably does have a general link to how god cards are as well, although of course not in every case.
It has helped weed out the total game ending cards, and has been as good a composition as we've found, despite it being an arbitrary limit,
rufus: No, shock lands really aren't much better. You trade tempo for damage between the gates and them. Unless you have a well tuned deck, you often won't need that untapped or 2 damage ability. The M13 lands are better in the long run in my opinion. No damage, though you do need to drop a normal land first!
so don't get drawn into a side trap argument about the merits of shocklands :P
I prefer the seed lands from Onslaught.
Yeah, stuff like blood stained mire, etc.
Combined with actual dual lands and shocks, they are even better. They give you the land you need, plus they remove a land from your deck for later draws.
more just filling in old decks with the odd new one that fits nicely.
Three color decks in sealed = do not like. Frustrating!
Rufus, dodgy! So he gets t exile two things?
Towie, 7 guild gates in six packs?
According to that card, I can't see it being able to exile two cards.
So, now that we have all three sets of the new Ravnica block, which is the best one? I think it's Gatecrash!
Guildpact was the best in the original one too!
RtR= azorius
GC = gruul and simic, so gc wins!
That's true, but it was true of Innistrad's tribal decks too (oh, a zombie... so, gravecrawler, geralf's messenger.... blah blah blah).
It's probably true of most standard environments because of the relatively limited card pool.
Also, the guilds are a great theme and I really like them!
Hmmm, according to an article on the wizard of the coast site: the reason they didn't reprint lightning helix? Snapcaster mage.
That card ruined instants for everyone! He should never have been printed. :icon_sad:
I'm not even meaning so much the mechanics as the cards. When I see what guild rufus or fin's deck is, I probably know what 90% of their cards are going to be, and it's not their fault, it's just the way it leads you. Why would you do simic without the unblockable guy, pteradactyl thing and simic charm?
The Ravnica blocks are least create the opportunity for 8 versions of decks that do very different things. You may know what those decks are going to look like, but they are at least different in their approach.
I have seen very few inni cards popping up since rtr has come around.
Why pay anything at all for cards? Print the images off and glue them to bicycle cards!
Personally, I felt a bit like it was "cheating" to use non guild cards!
It is! Unless they fit the theme. Lingering souls is totally orzhovish!
ps. Where is everyone?!
Sorry, can't play tonight! Maybe tomorrow.
I can take it!
I spend far less than my friends. I get exactly what I need and that is it.
My buddies are hating life right now. All three each bought 2 boxes of dragon maze. And it sucks.
It is! Unless they fit the theme. Lingering souls is totally orzhovish!
Nah it's totally cheating! :engel:
And rufus, you should give philly a break sometimes. He's just letting us know what happens in the real world. Just because we exist in our own little bubble, we can't pretend that other people don't play differently! Well, we can if we change the name of the thread to "Real Magic the gathering...the gathering thread" :-P.
But Philly and Towi play in a different atmosphere.
I guess maybe I was wrong about people not using inni cards now. Maybe it's just that it feels like I don't see them anymore, which is an entirely different and less correct thing!
ps. Where is everyone?!
Our format is ridiculous.... ridiculously good!
It costs 50 pounds on "the magic card trader" to buy 8 simic coloured dual lands.
80 dollars, not 8.
Our format is ridiculous.... ridiculously good!
yeh! much more fun games.
Sorry I've not been on, new baby and all. I've still stayed up way too late tonight though...
I just made a black one that is sure to make Rufus want to kill himself/me/everyone.
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that for tournament play they aren't a necessity.
But we dont play in tournaments.
It's ok to use them.
It's ok to not use them, and spend the money on gw/beer/whatever instead,
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that for tournament play they aren't a necessity.
But we dont play in tournaments.
It's ok to use them.
It's ok to not use them, and spend the money on gw/beer/whatever instead,
Yeah, but crying about their cost when they aren't expensive in the grand scheme of things is kind of silly.
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that for tournament play they aren't a necessity.
But we dont play in tournaments.
It's ok to use them.
It's ok to not use them, and spend the money on gw/beer/whatever instead,
Yeah, but crying about their cost when they aren't expensive in the grand scheme of things is kind of silly.
I have four of the original ghost council, but Ozzy is far and away the better card.
2. Rufus's ability to always have a spirit summoning spell whenever he needs one!
Are the people coming to the bash bringing there decks? And which format? Modern, standard or Legacy? I have an legacy, modern and edh deck at my dispossale.
I would love to play against those Kithkin in Modern :-DAre the people coming to the bash bringing there decks? And which format? Modern, standard or Legacy? I have an legacy, modern and edh deck at my dispossale.
I'm bringing some decks... I mainly only play standard though. I have five standard decks.
I have recently made an edh deck, but it's not a powergamey one! No sol rings/lighting greaves or that sort of thing in it.
Thinking about it some more, I have a couple of decks that are legacy-legal just because they have old cards in, not because they are horribly abusive combo decks that win on turn one! So it depends what you mean by legacy really. I have legacy ghosts, legacy cows, and legacy isochron sceptre (that one is quite mean though).
And my kithkin deck is modern-legal if I take out the tithes.
Legacy cows?
I would love to play against those Kithkin in Modern :-D
Don't expect to spanking decks from me, I'm not that experienced.
Any idea why? It's refusal to go away makes it pretty much my current worst nightmare.
The problem with that is that we'd have to sift through all our decks again and I haven't even used some of them! I think 2 squid is probably still reasonable. Keeps out the really nasty stuff at least. Maybe we can reevaluate when the next core set comes or something?
Or if we find the limit to be painful in play we can take emergency measures in the meantime!?
Any idea why? It's refusal to go away makes it pretty much my current worst nightmare.
You just kill the creature they're targetting with Rancor in response, and you just two-for-one'd them. Do it all the time with my Boros Deck Wins, it's a killer play.
The problem with that is that we'd have to sift through all our decks again and I haven't even used some of them! I think 2 squid is probably still reasonable. Keeps out the really nasty stuff at least. Maybe we can reevaluate when the next core set comes or something?
Or if we find the limit to be painful in play we can take emergency measures in the meantime!?
No, it's fine - I was just teasing you!
I'm not going to put rancor back in any of my decks.
Well you only kinda 2 for 1 as rancor comes right back out for just 1 mana!
Here is a strange situation:
someone tries to cast a Goblin Goon (4 mana) while a Goblin Warchief is in play. This means it costs three mana. If the person only has three mana, and in response to them trying to cast it, you kill the chief, what happens? I did this to someone today and said I thought the goon would still come out into play. SOmeone else said that it costs one more mana now and there isn't a mana to tap.
I was fine letting it come out since I figured I would win anyway (I did). But I could maybe see both ways.
As I understand it, all costs are paid at the time the spell is announced. So they announce that they are casting the goon, and immediately tap the necessary mana.
Killing the warchief in response will not affect the casting of the goon. It's too late. There is no response window between announcing the spell and paying the mana.
I expect that could be better explained - try the full magic rules on the wizards site!
edit: damn, too slow!
But you nailed the ruling!
I wonder if dgm is hurting wizards, or it's only made me not want to play magic anymore.
I figure it is pointless to comment, seeing as to me thatdoes not look much fun. And i don't want to ram my idea of how to play down your throat :icon_wink:
In all seriousness, I don't play competetive so can't really comment. It looks fine though. why not 4 obzedats?
Divination for draw.
And there are piles of card cycling options in the rtr block
Divination is useless and terrible. I want card-filtering that costs one or two mana, like the spells I mentioned!
The others are a bit more expensive. The cards are there, they just aren't exactly Brainstorm.
It's a bit ominous that shock is back in red too. Lame spells alert!So you didn't like my burn deck...
So you didn't like my burn deck...
Warden of Evos Isle 2u
Creature - Bird Wizard Uncommon
Flying
Creature spells with flying you cast cost 1 less to cast.
2/2
Young Pyromancer 1r
Creature - Human Shaman Uncommon
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a 1/1 red Elemental creature token onto the battlefield.
2/1
Philly fun police!
This is why I haven't bothered getting into this whole online thing.
Well the only reason I would play would be to play with you guys. If I just wanted to play against strangers, I would play on my PS3 or my PC using the actual Duel of the Planeswalkers.I just find I have a lot less fun when playing with "competetive" decks than not.
We do kinda ban stuff over $1 but only for against each other. I have a bunch of totally unrestricted (well except by normal resteictions) decks on there and a few of them are actually quite nasty even. If you ever do jump on I will happily play you, even if you use planeswalkers!
If the only complaint about slivers is they are weird I am totally using them! I thought maybe they were op.
My point is, he is clearly just the nerfed version of stormtide leviathan for this cycle.
I noticed no defenders... this scares me...
What I enjoy about the core sets is the return of old cards. This time there aren't many interesting old cards.
As a whole it is a boring set because it is the base. What I enjoy about the core sets is the return of old cards. This time there aren't many interesting old cards.
Sorry! Should have been clearer. It's from Modern Masters, which is supposed to encourage more people to play Modern... but won't, because it's too expensive.Both true.
M14 continues to have lame stuff in it.
What is modern, the last six sets?
My buddies and I have been doing Ravnica block sets, so the 8th and 9th core, M14, the full first Ravnica block and the newest Ravnica Block. Very fun to do the full guilds!
And you have tempted my to make a Hobbit deck ::heretic::
Maybe from M14 you could use the Young Pyromancer in your EDH deck. Would seem to fit?
Has anyone Flastones of Trokair spare or willing to Trade TM.
For some reason I can't find basillica thrull or oblivion orb...
Why halberd ores over medics?
They also haven't released the planeswalkers yet.
A couple should be different rules.They seem to be reprints.
Celestial Flare ww
Instant Common
Target player sacrifices an attacking or blocking creature.
I don't know, they have never had a core set without duals.
They released a set of uncommon duals before. Salt Marsh and the like.
Removing the current core/Innastrad dual lands will really change deck building.
Banisher Priest
1ww
Creature - Human Cleric Uncommon
When Banisher Priest enters the battlefield, exile target creature an opponent controls until Banisher Priest leaves the battlefield.
2/2
If oblivion ring goes, that is a huge issue. They don't have a decent white enchantment removal with a secondary side effect that makes it worthwhile.
When does it come out again? Been aaaages since I was on there. A new set might do the trick. Dragon was a snoozefest of an update.
When does it come out again? Been aaaages since I was on there. A new set might do the trick. Dragon was a snoozefest of an update.yes, dragon plus new baby has killed it for me.
They hate land destruction, obviously!I hate it to, with a reason.
The full card image gallery is up on the wizards site now. Bit of a dull set!Like most of the Standard Sets (M..).
Agreed. I should update mine which is always a nervy experience... Have you been on there at all lately? Wonder if they stabilised it any...Did it ever go wrong for you?
Maybe it's a really slow set!
Not a fan. Sitting this set out
Not a fan. Sitting this set out
They've only revealed about ten cards.
What is she until she becomes a creature? Just an enchantment?
She's blue, lives in the sea, and lets me scry. I'm using her for sure!She'll be like Ģ20
I wonder what the other gods do.
I guess rufelmeister is happy for scry
Big scary pigs!Have you ever seen angry Pigs?
Yes, I want to use him against Siby! No life gaining for you!
But you probably should message me and vise versa when you think you might be available to play for a while. Less missing each other and sitting around then...
I'm going to miss lingering souls. :icon_sad:
I see that whip has lifelink...
To sum up, a terrible way to play magic but entertaining to use on those netdeck dudes on gccg, hehe.
That sounds like a major change from your Boros deck! ::heretic::
That sounds like a major change from your Boros deck! ::heretic::
That's the idea! One of the ways I manage to play Standard without breaking the bank is by just evolving the same deck when the format rotates, rather than build a new one every time.
On the subject of tokens:Is that boar wearing pants?
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1317_0rej0qag79_boa.jpg)
nope, a cloak.We never saw this in History classe.
not up on your odyssean mythology, novo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe#Homer.27s_Odyssey
On the subject of tokens:Is that boar wearing pants?
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1317_0rej0qag79_boa.jpg)
Breaking news! I might make it on today...!
That hero is a beast, and will be one of the most expensive cards of the set.
I didn't like the rules for theros.
Which satyr? The one that damages you?I like scry being in it, and I do like heroic as I quite like using enchantments anyway. There are also some really great instant common spells which I like a lot. Blue, white and green look fun!
Day[9] vs. Rob Simpson in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers Episode 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmouDgc9hD8
Day[9] vs. Rob Simpson in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers Episode 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmouDgc9hD8
I literally was just about to post this. I had the URL copied and everything. You win this time ... :x
Day[9] vs. Rob Simpson in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers Episode 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmouDgc9hD8
I literally was just about to post this. I had the URL copied and everything. You win this time ... :x
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77gw7id4T1rodl1qo1_400.gif)
It seems like the ciphers are all a bit expensive as one offs but if you can get them working for free every turn are they really that expensive?
I was going to see if Rufus wanted to play him when I left but Rufus had gone radio silent.
it was my fault for saying no restrictions and then restricting.
If we switch to 'real standard' with our two dollar limit, or whatever it was, he probably won't be legal, although you said you didn't think he'd be expensive.
Chained to the Rocks was originally common. In design playtest, we ended up moving it to uncommon. Erik then later moved it up to rare in development as at uncommon it was warping Limited play.
I think towie's point it is really easy to remove.
I think towie's point it is really easy to remove. No hexproof, small toughness. I think we often don't take enough removal. I know I don't unless I go total control. Some things resist a lot of removal like big walls which are hard to burn or debuff to death...my point is, apart from burn spells and hexproof, removal can just as easily remove a 2 body as a 10 body.
how much are those cards now rufus?
I think towie's point it is really easy to remove. No hexproof, small toughness. I think we often don't take enough removal. I know I don't unless I go total control. Some things resist a lot of removal like big walls which are hard to burn or debuff to death...my point is, apart from burn spells and hexproof, removal can just as easily remove a 2 body as a 10 body.
Why are we not including burn spells?
Enchantment removal, essential in theros?
You made me want to cry when i played that titan guy and monstered him up to a 20/20 and then you artifact removaled him. :-P
Enough removal is non-burn based that I dont see that card at a significant disadvantage vs removal than any creature. Of course you have wig lion or indesctructible gods. But not generally for 3 mana.
P.s. thus proving cersei is the ruler of (west)theros.
I think towie's point it is really easy to remove. No hexproof, small toughness. I think we often don't take enough removal. I know I don't unless I go total control. Some things resist a lot of removal like big walls which are hard to burn or debuff to death...
how does Black remove the gods?
also, does extort trigger heroic?
does cipher?
Heroic is only triggered when you cast a spell from your hand and choose the Heroic creature as the target of that spell.
Heroic abilities will resolve before the spell that caused them to trigger.
Heroic abilities will trigger only once per spell, even if that spell targets the creature with the heroic ability multiple times.
Heroic abilities won't trigger when a copy of a spell is created on the stack or when a spell's targets are changed to include a creature with a heroic ability.
The type-changing ability that can make the God not be a creature functions only on the battlefield. It's always a creature card in other zones, regardless of your devotion to its color.
Heroic is only triggered when you cast a spell from your hand and choose the Heroic creature as the target of that spell.
Cipher triggers heroic. The copy is cast, and there is no requirement that it be from your hand.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/faq/ths
Heroic Whenever you cast a spell that targets X, then YQuoteHeroic abilities will resolve before the spell that caused them to trigger.
Heroic abilities will trigger only once per spell, even if that spell targets the creature with the heroic ability multiple times.
Heroic abilities won't trigger when a copy of a spell is created on the stack or when a spell's targets are changed to include a creature with a heroic ability.
A cipher copy is not created on the stack, it is specifically cast. It does trigger heroic.
Cipher (Then you may exile this spell card encoded on a creature you control. Whenever that creature deals combat damage to a player, its controller may cast a copy of the encoded card without paying its mana cost.)
The basic idea is doomblading everything, and then heroicing my agents of fate so you never have crteatures out. which is probably pretty annoying.
The basic idea is doomblading everything, and then heroicing my agents of fate so you never have crteatures out. which is probably pretty annoying.
Out of curiousity, what are you hitting your Agents of Fate with to trigger his heroic? I love the Agent, but black doesn't seem to have many good Heroic-triggering effects, as far as I've noticed.
Seems solid. I love white's instants for Heroic, since they have the side effect of protecting the target, so you get double duty from them. For example, when someone inevitably targets you Agent with removal, you respond with a Gods Willing; they now have to sac a creature, you keep your Agent, and you get to Scry 1 to boot. The power/toughness pumps can save your guy too. It really messes with your opponent, and I'm loving that aspect of my double strike deck.or splash blue for aqeuous form, and.... something else i forgot.
My Theros cards arrived from troll trader today!
I have boar tokens!
Buying individual cards is so much more satisfying than booster packs.
Anyone coming in to gccg today?
I'm playing with two stardard deck ideas: the Boros heroic/double strike thing I already mentioned, and Boros control built around Anger of the Gods...it's soooo good.
I'm playing with two stardard deck ideas: the Boros heroic/double strike thing I already mentioned, and Boros control built around Anger of the Gods...it's soooo good.
Hmmm, what's in the control deck? Chained to rocks... ?
Exxxxxpensive!
I'd try that out on GCCG but we don't use planeswalkers.
No main-deck enchantment destruction?
Was that the same random guy who said electrickery sucked because if so I have no respect for his opinion!
2 mana to clear a whole heap of tokens is certainly quite a bargain.well, this is better at killing tokens as it kills them all, not just X/1 ones,
Ratchet bomb is nice in theory but as well as having to charge it up it does have the slight drawback of killing all your stuff too...You dont have to charge it to kill tokens. Put it down, tap, boom, all enemy tokens gone. You can easily have a deck without any 0 mana stuff!
When it comes to cards I miss, I just have to remind myself of all the cards that also left that I hated (lingering souls for example!)
Did you buy the roman boar tokens rufus?
I have a deck with a black kill spell that targets power. Pretty handy for clearing low power creatures with annoying ability but terrible against stuff that can get pumped up or whatnot.
I made my Simic-ordeal deck.
only 20 land! dodgy.
cant see what else to cut down.
What's ooze flux for, or does it just suck?
I'm sad that I'm too stupid to figure out what ooze flux was meant to do.
Whip of erebos doesn't seem that good to me... am I missing something?
This made me think... I guess you could potentially bring stuff back from the grave and then use an unsummon-like card to put it back in your hand before it re-dies right? That could be quite nifty on some of your killer creatures...
Talking of which, what happens when you use one of those red 'traitor' spells to borrow one of their creatures till end of turn and then unsummon it? I'm guessing it still goes back to their hand rather than yours? But you can traitor a creature and then sacrifice it right? Which I would assume kills it back into the original owner's graveyard...
Gruul and Boros put up more of a fight, but obzedat and teysa, if they come out, are auto-wins (although he only has one each) and lingering souls and blood artists are very hard to deal with, the way my decks are built.
Need to add 4 ratchet bombs!
I may have to make a treason sac deck... it will probably never come together how I want it to but it's a glorious theory...!
I haven't seen many in standard right now, but I will keep an eye out. Most of the sacs seem too much sac for not enough gain.
Siby wanted to block me with the sylvan caratid, and then tap it for mana. Is that allowed? Neither of us knew the answer.
Rufus, the last 2 reconstructeds have been about control decks. Problem is they use planeswalkers to finish. Dont fancy trying to make them?
aetherling?
Yeh the random guy I played the other day had no creatures, just Elspeth and board sweeping removal...
I need a new deck idea for GCCG. That mono red one was the most boring thing ever.I don't get why you hated it, it was just a control deck but instead of counterspelling, burning?
I played back when control was actually good, it sucked. Say, Invasion block, when the dominant control decks looked like:
I played back when control was actually good, it sucked. Say, Invasion block, when the dominant control decks looked like:
Terminus was good though.
I think the reduction in good counter spells and the severe limitation of consistent card draw for advantage (there is plenty of card draw, but not a lot of card advantage) is what pushed hard control off the table. Honestly, I think that is for the best. Hard Control is fun to play, but hard to really enjoy.
I'll say though, I played a Sire of Insanity deck and it was pretty rough. Based around flashback, removal, and then getting the Sire out and protected. There are control elements, but not the kind of control seen in the past.
I don't hate your decks! Except when I'm in a bad mood... which is often.
Dimir vs Boris was fun though!
They have the most responsive and intelligent developers in the gaming world. They KNOW their game. My issue with GW is that they have only recently produced books that feel like they are truly thought out. Prior to this, they would make books that could be SUPER exploited. It was like they just couldn't imagine anyone doing it.
Case in point, the reason they didn't bring back lightening helix was because of the snapcaster. They came right out and said that the card was too good and they needed to much around and be extra careful despite REALLY wanting to bring that card back.
Warleaders helix is pretty good, not compared to lightening helix, but it is good.
I heard they regretted letting snapcaster out of the box.
My issue with GW is that they have only recently produced books that feel like they are truly thought out.
Oh, you just meant 40K!
I thought you meant warhammer too, which would be a different matter.
100 dollars is enough for loads of decks!
Wow, the prices for dragon's maze cards are really low! Only two of them have a significant cost.
I bet people do.
Maybe simic needs a slight adjustment in style. It does seem a tad lacking when pure. The only ones that seem to work really well going totally pure are boris, orzhov and izzet. And that's probably debatable. I know with my dimir and golgari I have plundered from the other guilds to strengthen them.
Gonna try a young pyrmoancer + master of waves, but I think will be hard to get devotion for MoW with red, and using instants and sorcery for YP.
I'm doing green/white too. I don't like it, but it has all the bent stuff!
You can't cast a spell without a valid target. So no casting a counterspell without a spell to counter.I'm not sure I want EE in thsi deck, but it seems izzet-tastic!
You can possibly counter one of your own spells cast through the experiment though! Depending on the timing.
Rufus I hope you don't just make my green white deck. :-P
I think it will mean game 1 might wash out like normal but game 2 and 3 should be a lot better...hopefully!
That's the problem with all these rules. Everything these days seems to have multiple rules and it's hard to keep up with!
That's the problem with all these rules. Everything these days seems to have multiple rules and it's hard to keep up with!
Complexity creep almost killed Magic.
That's the problem with all these rules. Everything these days seems to have multiple rules and it's hard to keep up with!
That's because they're strictly better than savannah lions
::heretic::
Ie smite killing a blocked creature, I thought it would also mean your creature takes damage. But it doesnt.
Is that the stack?
Ie smite killing a blocked creature, I thought it would also mean your creature takes damage. But it doesnt.
Is that the stack?
No, it's the turn structure. During combat, one of the steps is 'declare blockers.' This is when you assign blocking creatures. After that step, you can then play fast effects. You can play smite now to kill a blocked creature. After that step is when creatures deal damage. So you've already destroyed the blocked creature, which means it can't deal damage. Your blocking creature will be unharmed.
This is why I suggested reading the basic rules, so as to understand the turn structure properly!
See p17:
http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/resources/rules/EN_MTGM14_Rulebook_LR.pdf
The person whose turn it is has priority! They can pass it to their opponent if they don't want to play anything... but if the opponent passes too, you move on.
I think. :unsure:
I think that if both players pass the chance to do anything, then the current turn step ends. So if you (as active player) pass the chance to use fast effects after declaring attackers, and then your opponent passes also, you immediately move to the 'declare blockers' step. After declaring blockers, you get another opportunity to play spells and effects. Then combat damage happens, followed by another chance to play.
If it's your turn, you either take the initiative or risk losing the chance to do anything.
Towie, I would love to play against you, buf I bet I'd get whooped. :wink:
I've certainly seen that there is such a thing as a better player at magic. When I used to draft for a few months at the local store, even there there were 2 or 3 guys who just had a total grip on the game and almost always won. I was normally able to place right behind those guys, but I only ever hit the number one spot by beating them one time.
It's interesting that a game that relies a lot on playing what comes into a relatively small hand can be so influenced by the person playing them. Just goes to show that timing and planning and knowing the cards plays a pretty huge part.
What kind of control was it?
I liked edh, you hated it!
Well, I meant the difference between a powegamey deck and a more fair deck. Theme is a separate matter entirely!
You can load up your EDH deck with sol rings and demonic tutors and all that, and it will be better than a deck that didn't do the same.
It's funny how they insist on putting Sol Ring into all of them!
Yeh, and I meant to say then I loved him, but forgot!
Welkin and squadron hawk suck in commander though
Yeh, and I meant to say then I loved him, but forgot!
Welkin and squadron hawk suck in commander though
Didn't you make an edh bird deck? Were there enough decent birds?
I wonder if I should ebay my Master of Waves while he's still riding high in the charts.
Do you want to try EDH again then rufmeister general?
because mana price escalates for command zone?
Commander only goes to the command zone if he would be placed in the graveyard or exiled.
Bounce puts him back in your hand.
isnt it better to be in hand, because mana price escalates for command zone?
Yeh, but did you see Wilshere's goal?!
Today's 'reconstructed' on the wizards site... no planeswalkers added to the deck! Because it was a boris aggro deck, but still.
Theglorybroken days of blue!
I could have told you that! I actually wondered about making a mino deck too... maybe you can with a lil cheating... Or maybe once all of theros is out... Still 2 sets to come!
I honestly thought the cat people was an enchantment or I would have board swept first. Silly me!
Time to bring it back out perhaps, mwuhaha.
I'll just use my own control decks in reprisal! :icon_razz:
Average internet card shop price for Master of Waves = Ģ18
Average ebay price = Ģ8
:icon_exclaim:
But you really can make out well on cards if you are careful with ebay. I am too lazy. I mark out the deck and then acquire what I can through local trades, then buy the rest online.
In fairness, my deck was set up to be weird.
I'm always curious about cards like Master of Cruelties and wanted to see if I could build a deck around it...
I used master of cruelties in a wall deck
Alas I can't squeeze walls into my dimir decks...
I sensed that...me too!
me too!
Best just not to go on if don't want to play.
rufus: I only went on to make my "real" decks for another day, but then saw you and siby, and I always feel obliged to play!
was meant to be painting my incubi though- didn't do any.
Master of cruelties is quite rubbish, so it's probably cheap enough to fall into the 'real' category!
I hate milling. Such a hassle, and not even good.
Remember when we all did blue/green wall decks that stalled and then cast massive things? That was... int
Alas Master of Cruelties is still 6 quid so way too expensive for real right now.
I was going for gas, actually.
Oh, GCCG had moved servers. You have to update before it works.
I had to do this:
http://csbonomia.altervista.org/gccg/
I want to use the naya one too as I think thats my favourite tri-colour combo, but the general looks weird. Isnt it only ever going to have 3 counters on it?
Actually, just realised, each time it dies its 2 more mana isnt it, so it comes back bigger each time you re-cast it.
I find B/U/G to the be best commander set up. The included commanders are powerful and versatile, and the color combination allows for draw/counter/ramp.
I find B/U/G to the be best commander set up. The included commanders are powerful and versatile, and the color combination allows for draw/counter/ramp.
I would agree. The consensus is generally that Green and Blue are the strogest overall Commander colors. Green ramps and can kill almost anything, and blue has the most broken things to do, such as drawing a million cards and taking extra turns and whatnot. Black is pretty good too. White and Red generally are weakest, since their sections of the color pie (small creatures, burn) aren't amazing in Commander. My monowhite Avacyn deck relies on one of White's few strongpoints in Commander - boardwipes - to be competitive.
Rufus you disappeared before I could get out!
Is EDH 100 cards plus commander, or 100 including?
Or you can just import one of the precons, using the import deck option on the menu (under 'specials and box sets' or something like that).
the red blue black one is Ģ62!
Whats in it to make it so expensive?
I do want to try multiplayer,. The small cards was ok, just a bit annoying.
Apparently one is beardy because it costs Ģ70 to buy! (the red, blue, black one)
thats why it hasnt worked in the past. I made a standard EDH to try and restrict it a little. Being able to choose everything ever = not really the point. You could always google a niv mizzet edh deck!
Huh, making a commander deck on GCCG is impossible. I started a Niv-Mizzet deck, but got lost in all the options. Probably that's for the best.
I always want to put this in decks:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4691&type=card)
So mean though!
Having great results with running 4 soldiers of the pantheon in my orhzov deck.
not to mention warhamster, and drinking beer as strong as wine!
how's the cider over there?
how's the cider over there?
Deathright is fantastic in a setting where there is as much graveyard manipulation as the Innastrad and Ravnica blocks had.
how's the cider over there?
I don't remember seeing any! Does weird fruit beer count? Because they have that.
Two of my students are running firedrinker satyrs.
(http://i.tcgplayer.com/71267.jpg)
I told them that I can't imagine a case where I would want to do so. They claim it is a lethal one drop, but one uses them in a W/R and the other in a G/R. I keep telling them that they can find better one drops currently with Ravnica still legal.
What gives, am I missing something?
No, it doesn't. I have Celiac, so beer gives me a tummyache. :icon_sad: Oh well, there's always liquor! Europe has that, right?
Yeah, definitely no reason to run him in either of those decks. Soldier is way better in Boros, and Dryad Militant in either. Even mono-red has Rakdos Cackler.
I think I might need to do like you and stop making tonnes of experimental decks and concentrate on a few that actually work.
but still hadn't found a Maze's End!
Are you going on today? Might be able to pop in and get a few games...
Quote from: towishimpbut still hadn't found a Maze's End!
I can see that being a major problem! And there's not much you can do about it really. Maybe mulligan if you don't get one in your opening hand?
There's no way in standard to tutor for one, short of diabolic tutor, right?
I can't think of another way to get to it, except maybe some green spells that mill your own deck to pull out lands and creatures, that could work... You know 'draw 4 cards, you may keep a land and a creature but discard the rest' type ones
He runs Sylvan Scrying and Expedition Maps.
Use it with the scry lands from Theros
Anyone remember this "How to play video" back from the turn of the millennium? Ah, the year 2000.
http://youtu.be/7wTa90C02Lg
Anyone remember this "How to play video" back from the turn of the millennium? Ah, the year 2000.
http://youtu.be/7wTa90C02Lg
Classic!
If you plan to make an army of goblins, get them all to walk through a door of destinies...
Talking of tokens, how come the clerics are enchantments?
Talking of tokens, how come the clerics are enchantments?
According to Rosewater, in the Theros set Enchantments represent the gods...both themselves and their influence on the mortal plane. That's why the gods, their weapons, and their tokens are all enchantments.
http://www.dorkly.com/article/8227/magic-cards-based-on-people-who-play-magic
I dont think I like Theros very much ::heretic::
I think it'll be a better set once rtr disappears and removes the need to stick to guilds so much.
We played Modern Silverblack last friday.
Indeed :-)We played Modern Silverblack last friday.
Does that mean common and uncommon cards only? Interesting!
And less ruinously expensive than trying to play normal modern.
So someone else just bought 8 packs and got no mythics, poor person!
I might make a deck. Hmmm, isochron scepter is uncommon! Too bad counterspell never made it to modern.There is a very popular and strong Boros deck which plays it.So someone else just bought 8 packs and got no mythics, poor person!
Not my fault!
Most notable with Lightning Helix.
I think I suggested doing no rares a while back but was poo pooed for some reason. :-P
Oh it's so true. :cry:
Constant livegain and removal / burn.
Repeatable counterspells for 2 mana and no card loss!Quote from: NovogordMost notable with Lightning Helix.
:ph34r:
Maybe scepters aren't such a good idea after all!I think I suggested doing no rares a while back but was poo pooed for some reason. :-P
Because no one listens to you! :icon_razz:
Simic planeswalker that makes krakens! :Ohmy:Please, keep your clothes on! :ph34r: :wink:
I can feel myself turning to the dark side! ::heretic::
:icon_sad:Understandable, I to love planeswalkers.
I just meant...
...I want to use that even though it's a planeswalker.
Forums are always mean. This one has gotten so negative lately I have to remind myself that I actually enjoy playing Warhammer, so much am I battered in the face by how terrible it is!
On a side note, really looking forward to more spoilers. I feel a bit lost in terms of deck building lately and could do with some fresh ideas. Wish they had gone triple colour gods though, sometimes the 2 colour emphasis feels a bit strong on the back of Ravnica and more dual colour is just going to emphasise that. But hey, I'm just being whiny!
Wish they had gone triple colour gods though, sometimes the 2 colour emphasis feels a bit strong on the back of Ravnica and more dual colour is just going to emphasise that. But hey, I'm just being whiny!
Hmm, the problem with this format is that there are a lot of cards to choose from. I'm going to end up making daft tribal decks like in pauper.
Sure, I just Google it. I was lucky, the second link is a type of game I am not interested atm. Let me know how you guys communicate.
Ponder and Preordain are banned, woo!
For some reason so is Wild Nacatl!
I'm going to make a ghost deck.
is my bird deck modern?
I vote gelectrode, lingering souls, drogskol captain, and anything with a whip/
It might make sense I guess just to start as one set drops out, but the ravnica set wont drop out until after all the Theros' are in (and maybe not until m15? I forget)
Rufus counters and dodges everything!
Helpful fishman
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/ivAO0BtOMY_EN.jpg)
can you use this boy to untap the "pay mana to summon bird" lady, even if she wasn't tapped?
tonight I'm afraid.
Some just have better cards than others though. Aggro decks in some other blocks aren't nearly that fast. Kamigamiwawa! for example.i'm sort of guessing
Sorry guys, I was deckbuilding then went to play soccer and forgot to log out. Probably stil there I guess!
polymorph also comes to mind.
So Im not going to.
"I'm not a huge fan of where Magic has gone overall since the 1990s,"
didn't it start in the 1990s?
so basically, he doesn't like matgic.
reading again, suppose he means he could have liked it up to 1999.
sometimes I'm not sure if people play magic for fun or not. There are so many formats that even if Theros didn't influence standard, it could still play a good draft/sealed game.
I'm never sure what I prefer. On one hand I love very , themed decks and them fighting against each other. But on the other hand, coming across a deck that is really unusual is very cool.
I do get bored of seeing the same cards over and again which is why I am really living this modern thing. Think we should ban lightning bolt too? Kinda the red auto take. We killed green and whites. Not sure what black and blues are off the top of my head.
Doran was awesome!
this dude uses your deck rufus!
http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/sf/283
Halimar depths, a scry 3 land. That might be worth chucking 4 of into most blue decks?
Also,I saw in that article their group does one free mull before doing regular mulls. Maybe we should do this to increase worthwhile games?
Ill make a lorwyn kithkin deck to fight it! Rufus can use slivers and probably a few others too.
(as I said, I wouldnt mind you using it vs me anyway, if it is more powerful itll just win twice quickly and we can swap)
I quite want to play commander!
I'm going to make my actual commander decks on GCCG.
I still have commander decks on there, but you may not want to play them as they aren't 'real'.
I still have commander decks on there, but you may not want to play them as they aren't 'real'.
I have some pretty good cards in my real commander decks! So it would be fine.
The issue I had was the horrific combos.
are vampiric and wordly tutor considered bad EDH form?
Dont insult my deck rufus! Its straight from a precon and according to the prices, the 2nd worst one! (I do want to change it a bit now though!)
Moan moan moan... oh, I won.rufus?
Yes, unreasonable complaints! I refuse to listen. :icon_razz:
Moan moan moan... oh, I won.
baleful strix is modern illegal, apparently.
It certainly competed with last night. I said last night I would never play EDH again. Then I did. Then I realised why I said what I said.
It's like it's almost too random. And too long, even for a quick game! At least in normal mode if a game goes bad fast it is fast. And the thought of playing again isn't soul destroying. Usually.
Sorry Rufus, duty calls, but that was shaping up interestingly...
If you and an opponent each control the same Archetype, no creature controlled by any player will have the appropriate ability.
innistrad sealed tomorrow, 2 inn, 2 ava and 2 da
this card's in the proshh deck, but i dont like it.
If it was in person were chatting, joking and drinking beer/soda/tea in between. Also means no waiting in between turns while the other person tabs back from gatherer, or whatever!
Are we doing anything goes standard for bng?
I think it's a special situation for kiora, whjos so Rufus specific!
Hey, would heroic trigger evolve? I think not.
Slightly sad I didn't put chromanticore in now!
I had 2 glimmerpoint stays
Token creatures are fine! Just have ways to sacrifice them to do stuff.
I still think populate is rubbish.
don't they infinite combo together?
I think he would.
I quite fancy some real innistrad constructed, although this might be tricky as the prices warp a bit when not in standard.
There's a Kiora deck on reconstructed today:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/rc/285
But it only has two Kioras... and the suggested changes include adding four nightveil specters. To a blue/green deck. Yuck.
rufus will be pleased to hear i just accidentally deleted my prossh deck when importing the mimeoplasm one
btw rufus, if I do buy a precon it has to be vorosh or Marath- oloro and jeleva are sold out, and I hate the other guy.
btw guys, don't play edh vs randomers on the gccg. It;s all original duals, only staples and horrible tutoring.
Alternate win can be fun, depending on what it is. Finally winning with biovisionary was great!
I'd already decided not to use suyrvival of the fittest because it's bent. check price for curiosity. Ģ16!
hallowed fountaints only Ģ6.50 on troll trader card. pretty cheap for a shock land?
This one worked really well. You let your opponent get you to within an inch of dieing, they think they are gonna slam you, then you play this and bam. It's easier than it sounds too because the entire deck is set up to activate when you get low on health. You have fogs and blockers and then small burn spells so that if need be you can do the damage yourself. But it definitely gets the response "Oh" rather than "Nice move!" from people you use it on. Which is kinda what most alt win conditions seem to feel like!
Kinda surprised felidar sovereign isn't banned in Edh.
horrible flavour text for that satyr!
hmm. Theoretically I shouldnt always hate ghave and muzzy though, just like prossh didnt always work
I don't think I ever had 2 creatures in grave!
but I want to test beast marath now, before buying it.
Yes, that is a pain! Blame the price-fixing cartels. Which cards did you mean? There are probably cheaper substitutes in slightly older sets.um, that new mythic rare black skellybob. but im not using prossh atm so nothing.
Horrible hat isn't that hard to deal with, unless you don't have the right removal to hand. But that's no worse than playing a giant dragon that gains 6 counters every time he hits you against someone who can't immediately draw a kill spell!
last night if you HAD been able to do 8 to me, I'd totally forgotten about the shaman, so you'd have "won".
hey i'd like to promose a ban on those beardy swords from I think dark steel?
I've played so much magic and yet I still get messed up with the rules for timing. The order in which people have to declare stuff for example
make deck on tapped out.
save in .dec format.
import into gccg.
Hit and run magic from Finlay!Quick and deadly, like we know him :Ohmy:
Appear, blast me with beasts, run off to play hockey! :ph34r:
I think almost every time I have lost has been directly due to a general so I have found a few more ways to deal with them...
every deck needs a fair amount of enchantment, artifact, and spot and mass creature removal.
I hate it when trivially small creatures control the board because you can't draw any spot removal. :)
Rufus I did indeed put all the shuffle cards in to my deck!
that's what I mean, choosing Marath was in response to me being annoyed by small creatures (well, combined with the fact it's one of the c13 decks still available to buy)I hate it when trivially small creatures control the board because you can't draw any spot removal. :)
But you always have access to Marath, and he can wipe out multiple creatures each time.
Some people think all the commander 2013 commanders are broken! We haven't used the grixis one yet, but I think all four of the others are ridiculous and gamebreaking in their own ways. It's because of the way they all interact with the command zone in a way you wouldn't get with any other legend.
Assuming you guys don't want me to use Oloro.
hey, you just deleted 2 cards you posted about?
i wanted to use at lrast one of them! ha ha ha
I just made a mono blue sealed deck! :ph34r:
I got a bunch of cards at Pax East. One of the MTG booth guys was walking around at the end of the third day handing out free decks and boosters.
I clicked on the cheapest ones, 2,34 instead of 2.40.
compared to those guys I am still slim.
I got a bunch of cards at Pax East. One of the MTG booth guys was walking around at the end of the third day handing out free decks and boosters.
Free cards! Nice. Do you play Magic then, Cannon?
Rules q, could you cast fork, duplicate a counter spell, counter the counter, so the original spell is cast?
oh, when my cards arrived, ellie said "did you see a package arrived?" I said "oh yes, that's Ģ25 of magic cards" she said "at least it isn't Ģ25 of magic card"
303.4c If an Aura is enchanting an illegal object or player as defined by its enchant ability and other applicable effects, the object it was attached to no longer exists, or the player it was attached to has left the game, the Aura is put into its owners graveyard. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)
Rufuses blood artists did make me actually angry in one real life game! I almost went table flipper on him. Ha ha.
Rufuses blood artists did make me actually angry in one real life game! I almost went table flipper on him. Ha ha.
p.s. you need to be on GCCG more, Siby.
Were definitely too whiny. And also form opinions about stuff too early/based on certain situations.
Theres also a sort of edh code of conduct where its expected to be more casual than other formats. Stuff like infinite combos, certain power-cards (blightsteel colossus) etc are frowned upon. One guy on star city said EDH is about getting to play your game, while also letting your opponent play his.
I also personally frown upon tutoring as it removes the randomness of it, which is surely the point. My Krenko and doran standard decks got boring because they played the same everytime. But not sure if tutoring is frowned upon like I know infinites are by other players.
Blame rufus for that, although I don't think he was expecting an infinite combo!"Hides in vis cave, plotting for next year."
Sorry, yeh I meant all built around your boss guy or something like those precon ones seem to be. I didn't realise they are not very good. It always seemed like they were built to compliment their commanders and those commanders who could do stuff from the command zone seemed really hard to beat.The command zone interfering commanders (all the new ones!) are good. Fundamentally breaking the rules of EDH. BUT theyre not the best generals as theyre not that degenerative in general. Theyre good for noobs, as (as you said) its easy to build the deck around them and make interactions. And you dont have to think as much when you WANT marath/prossh to die, or dont care when derevi does.
The other issue we seem to have with Edh multiplayer is that someone either gets stuck and spends an hour dying or one person gets something so dominant out no one can pull something to stop them. That's ok when in real life and people are fully engaged in the game but when online it is easy to not be fully engaged and it takes three times as long. I think if we do more three player we would need to commit to giving it our full concentration and keep the speed up to keep it engaging and allow it to flow.
I will see what kinda deck i can get together. I probably need to stop thinking in terms of theme and more in terms of what works best together. My limited knowledge should stop that from being uber powerful!
he doesn't seem any meaner than ghave dishing out counters where needed to push the win
The problem with the white green god is that you cant put it out till turn 5 or 6 at least and by then how good is the land really? Handy but not really essential.
Typical Rufus hypocrisy
Land is in a special category yes. If all your creatures die, just cast more! If all your land is gone, it takes ages to start again, and youll probably end up having to discard a bunch of cards as you draw into land.
Isnt demonic one of the least beardy ones?
You know gannog totally didn't shut you down in either game. Game 1 you steamrolled me with creatures (which he is no help against). Game 2 I'm not so sure but we both had a billion things out. He actually probably only hates a small portion o most decks. And all you need do is sneeze on him and he dies. :-P
Talking of shutting someone down what about that dude who ate my hand and then kept me in constant topdecking mode. He is just a meany!
So I guess with the tutoring hate you guys don't want me to use the guy who tutors legends? :engel:
Another little comment on the woodlouse god, the land is nice yes but my deck was not built around needing loads of mana. The main usage I got out of all that land was just recasting guys you kept bouncing *cough lockdown cough* . It's a bit like the populate legend, really good, but only in a deck that had lots of token stuff going on. Well, better than that, but same theory. :-P
hey I just noticed that Gaddock doesn't work at all vs creatures.
He'd be a peace of piss for Marath then. I'd just shoot him whenever I needed to.
Playing mono-black is asking to be messed up by enchantments and artifacts, too!indeed, and white gives you swords to plowshares, journey to nowhere, path to exile, oblivion ring, new oblivion ring and that indestructible bug one.
except with GoD, you can discard creatures, before getting them back with it!True, hut red ads terminate, dreadbore,...
From what youve said, Id go B/W. What about using orzhov-y stuff, as extort fits well with lifegain, and is super beardy in multiplayer EDH!
except with GoD, you can discard creatures, before getting them back with it!
From what youve said, Id go B/W. What about using orzhov-y stuff, as extort fits well with lifegain, and is super beardy in multiplayer EDH!
True, hut red ads terminate, dreadbore,...
I should be on tonight btw, but might not be.
Novogord infinite combo'd us in belgium.It was by accident! It is the first time it worked!
his deck is "worse" than anything we've used!
BTW feary, tithe drinker looks a bit weak for edh.She wants tribal vampiers. Shiny ones!
There must be good extort creatures!
Are you sticking only to vampires?
BTW feary, tithe drinker looks a bit weak for edh.
There must be good extort creatures!
Are you sticking only to vampires?
I didn't feel like I had enough firepower to actually accomplish anything! I had to steal other people's creatures to stay in the game.but stealing was your firepower, and helped you accomplish things!
However I did also find a nice 3 mana black human which destroys creatures when you tap it ^^ but I don`t immediately recall the name...
I'm thinking of making my deck in the same theme as my normal vampire deck, which is a life drain deck.
So would the red vampires fit in that type of deck or not?
That sounds like royal assassin.
No, white would be a better fit in that case. Use this!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369039&type=card)
It's ridiculous in EDH.
Black/white also lets you use Merciless Eviction, which is one of the best board wipe spells.
surely derevi isnt as acreature focused as Gisela deck, which is all about dem creatures!
Agree siby, I think rufus is being over critical of his deck!
I was in control early I thought, then rufus sort of took over, almost killing me. top decking the brightflame kept me alive and diminished the boardstate, potentially allowing siby to steal the win, who I thought had been playing from behind most of the game.
a nice mixed game with different people on top!
Might get on for a bit soon, anyone else?
Sliver queen. Uril is absolutely horrendous and vile!I just created a version of my Silverblack deck.
Have you got GCCG working yet? You can test your deck on there.
@Finlay: that card isn't that bad!
I was on last night. Around nine local time. My name is novogord, to make it easy
I'm actually looking for a budget Uril deck :icon_redface:; A Sliver Queen deck is rather expensive on paper even when you go Budget!
man, the head guys voice is SO ANNOYING
and a mono blue sea monsters deck for the rufeltron
I would like go try it, but I think we would need to get in another player. Maybe I could get my brother in, or Nov if we can ever find him on there!I would like to try. But not in the next two weeks. Probably by the end of june it will be less busy.
On the other hand. There is a new possible commander for my Goblin edh deck. The legendary goblin from conspiracy seems fun and has very nice art :)
In theory in a 100 card deck you should have potential answers to most things.
fling-giant?brion stoutarm.
I'm a cheat! wheel of fortune is Ģ13.80. breaking the rules.
Hows tomorrow looking for you guys for multiplayer?
Coral Barrier 2U
Creature - Wall
Defender
When Coral Barrier enters the battlefield, put a 1/1 blue Squid creature token with islandwalk onto the battlefield.
1/3
Chasm Skulker 2U
Creature - Squid Horror
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Chasm Skulker.
When Chasm Skulker dies, put X 1/1 blue Squid creature tokens with islandwalk onto the battlefield, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on Chasm Skulker.
1/1
Is that new thing draft only or can you use the cards in Edh?
I do need to bring my other decks into line with the Ģ10 limit but I think on the whole it won't hurt too much.
I'm definitely gonna be on tonight!
You always say he is mediocre but even constantly untapping your lands is rather gonna speed up your curve for playing things. And you can throw him away to block constantly because he comes back cheap. Really it os only ever 3 mana to return him as he untaps one on arrival. Very handy. Not saying he is broken. Just cheap and versatile!
I think i would give 3 player one more try as long as we are all avoiding the really uber tricksy generals
slap that on ghave, makes him much harder to durdle around with.
If there is no downside to snow covered lands, I guess I may aswell replace all my basics with snows just incase...
I thought you hated Derevi!
You had a Kangee deck at one point, but it used stuff like Moat! There are also four or so mono-white bird legends, but maybe you don't want to do mono-colour.
whippoorwills are also mentioned in Dunwich Horror.
would i have to pay echo everytime I flickered?
i've got 3 wraths, 2 tuck everythings, 2 return to hand everything, 1 blink everything. Didn't you say your decks had 8 or 9?
the fiendhunter play seems a bit cheaty!
The fiendhunter thing is perfectly legal! Though that's why the new set has banisher priest that words the ability differently.
it's in my bant deck!
so is this, blink it to get reusable exile!
I was gonna make an eldrazi led deck but alas the legends are all to expensive. I have always thought emrakul was a bit rediculous, but had a soft spot for kozilek and the other chap! Having said that, would it even be possible? Would I be land screwed? Suppose I could just use a tonne of the no colour mana lands...
I think your entire deck is a reaction to butcher of malakir!I wouldn't say all of it, but I've certainly put in stuff to try and deal with it!
Your deck felt like a rufus deck.
Time to build my revenge deck!
don't like that art at all! what's the old art like?
How does that work, tap to make a squirrel, then respond by sacirificing something, or moving a counter or something, then respond by tapping land, then respond by doing something, until youve run out of mana?
I also find it amusing ted calls squirrels Dwibbles and shouts dwibble, where are you! when they run up trees.
Sorcery speed, and only one more card than the (utterly terrible) divination. I don't like that card.I am soooo thankful for this epic new art! No longer will I have to choose between "random metal shapes being dropped on some curtains" or "old man finding his car keys in the bathroom sink."
Basically, Prophet of Kruphix is two pieces of a two-card combo in one card. While thats not really fast enough for Modern decks, and Standard doesnt seem a powered enough format to take advantage of it, in Commander thats basically all you need to win a game.
Ill have to think what to ban for you now :D
I like Marath because it can go several different routes to win, aether charge and other beast tribal stuff, just using huge beasts to attack, or just going beastmode with Marath if I get my sledgehammer or armadillo cloak.
is awakening permitted?
Don't worry though, the terrible twosome are too expensive!
He's a useful utility creature, but not a game winner, not that dangerous.
Lowering the money limit would mean changing out half my dragons for, I don't know, really really bad dragons, when my deck is already really rather dodgy.
Last night I should have just exiled all your creatures with my giant knight dude, let you gain loads of life but then just smash you down once you had no creatures.
Just checked through my dragons. Between them and other stuff, 5 quid would cut out about 8 cards. With lands, probably around 13ish...!
Just seen a guy on daily mtg call roon, roon burgundy! Amazing! Stealing.
Now we have muzzy izzet, roon burgundy and derevi empyreal twatician.
I figured we are trying to not maximise to the most horrible generals so bladewing is probably alright.
Hey, I dont think Ive put that sweet ass naya dragon into my GCCG Marath deck, which it has irl!
I've considered both!
especially as we are trying to avoid too much tutoring
I still plan to ragequit if it turns out you have baneslayer angel in there.
Halo + lifegain would be obnoxious!
I reckon anything feels obnoxious when it's happening to you. Halo plus lifegain is pretty much the sort of lockdown you were inflicting on us regularly with your orzhov deck.
Joe McInally could send me some tomorrow! (sylvan tutor is too expensive)
I'm not joking about baneslayer.
I haven't played that orzhov deck for over a year. I don't even have the list on my current account!
of course reusable exile is pretty good, albeit boring to play against.
yes, and it made me want to cut it from the deck! (or maybe just use vs rufus!!!) notice I didn't use mangara a couple of times when I could have!
of course reusable exile is pretty good, albeit boring to play against.
DOn't you already have some of that though? I thought the other day you did that to me...
I'm alright with most stuff, but that Mangara thing does just seem wrong :-Pyeh he looks like a fun one to try
I'm sorting out my karador deck a bit. It was absolutely terrible but he seems like a cool commander.
sabretooth nishoba, or tephraderm to add to Marath. both 40 pence!
Those baloths are in my marath deck, have you ever thought they were op?
I went control tastic this evening, sorry!
I was even gaming in only my boxers by the end, still didnt work!
Might have to go the whole hog if I keep losing! :icon_surprised:I was even gaming in only my boxers by the end, still didnt work!
Ha! That definitely should have given you maximum gaming power!
Derevi is amazing. Next time you play, the deck will probably destroy someone!
Might have to go the whole hog if I keep losing! :icon_surprised:
Hmm, gravitational shift 40p, glory of warfare 80p.3.4 on gatherer vs 3.85
Twice as broken!
We already tried with jank decks and no one won.
especially BEFORE the game even started.
Also, I think it's bad form to say I'm going to lose, and then win. I need to stop doing that.
the lorwyn ones aren't over a tenner, are they?
Resolute Archangel 5WW
Creature - Angel
Flying
When Resolute Angel enters the battlefield, if your life total is lower than your starting life total, it becomes equal to your starting life total.
Is that table troll you like in it? :biggriin:
Doesn't seem much worse than other board sweeps, like that disc thing for example.You see it coming, I don't think it is to strong.
What makes it worse?
LD is lame!
I kinda want to keep playing against it till i beat it though!
You need me to play Siby, so you've got someone to beat. :biggriin:
I hear there is some kind of new legacy set coming out too that has some classic cards with new art. Hope they add that as some of the old stuff is just painful to use!
No, Ravnica is in until Khans of Somewhere arrives in September. Standard always has two blocks in it.We played it last night, and it is very amusing!
I want to play Conspiracy but GCCG didn't add it!
My brother in law will be making me do fitness training first
so the second big set will probably be bant, jund, etc the naya team colours.
also, is it super annoying having only 1 card and using it in 2 decks? i think it might be.
The people are sadly often quite mad, quite scary or quite annoying which is a bit of a put off.
I think the pre-release events you choose which color you want to be? How would you choose your color?
Siby, I had to edit a file to add a new source, and then run update everything and install cards I cant remember what the file was though, rufus will!
Rufus, Dont you remember them all hollering and carrying on in the lgs while we were warhammering? Its putting me off going to the LGS to play! There were also loads of little kids, and I dont want to play them. Its lose lose situation!
There must be plenty of nice people who play magic!
what formats do you play irl?
If someone explains to me once again how I install it I would give it another try too.
perhaps they'll do a double large if need to do something like that.
On a completely unrelated note, how do we feel about sliver decks? :engel:
Yes.And you think this is less sensible, less logical, less justified, worse communicated, and more of a cash grab than 7th ed?
people are looking to beat up GW because they've been acting like fuckwits for about 5 years.
I don't think we need to talk about GW any further in this thread. Let's stick to Magic.
But with half of your deck getting killed every 6 months
Looking at their little animated gif, it looks like blocks only last 6 months. As soon as the first set of the third block arrives, the entire first block is pulled, leaving decks to make do with the second block and first part of the third block.
Fine, go for it!
Maybe we can get some back table goons to come in and repeat themselves as well so that we can enjoy the full experience. :icon_razz:
Standard when full will be 3 blocks big, phil.
blocks will be standard legal for 18 months, not 24.Standard when full will be 3 blocks big, phil.
Ah yes, I see that now. Looking at the schedule on the bottom, it does still look like the sets will be slightly shorter or am I reading that wrong? Might be artificially extending the old style due to the core set.
hmm, was gonna respond to siby in the BT thread, but he's "pure of heart"... dilemma.
blocks will be standard legal for 18 months, not 24.Standard when full will be 3 blocks big, phil.
Ah yes, I see that now. Looking at the schedule on the bottom, it does still look like the sets will be slightly shorter or am I reading that wrong? Might be artificially extending the old style due to the core set.
hmm, was gonna respond to siby in the BT thread, but he's "pure of heart"... dilemma.
It was that or leave the site altogether. Can't take the unnecessary rage and name calling that makes up 90% of what goes on in there... :-P
Not sure why people can't argue something without resorting to that, especially when you are typing and not even face to face.
because you can cast your sorcerys or creatures in response to silence being cast, before it resolves I think.
Once it resolves it will shut down all spells they could cast. Better cast it in their upkeep though, since if you wait until their main phase they have priority so can can cast even a creature/sorcery/enchantment/artifact before you are allowed to play silence.
I have always wanted to use it. If you got lucky and got a couple early on it could be quite meaningful. Say you stopped turns 3 and 4 for them whilst spamming out little dudes. But never have, shrug.In our aggro-tastic sliver vs gruul matches last night, a turn 3 and 4 silence would probably be enough to swing it, yes. It definitely seems usable!
Once it resolves it will shut down all spells they could cast. Better cast it in their upkeep though, since if you wait until their main phase they have priority so can can cast even a creature/sorcery/enchantment/artifact before you are allowed to play silence.
I'm not sure about that. You can't put a sorcery or creature spell on the stack before instants resolve.
Once it resolves it will shut down all spells they could cast. Better cast it in their upkeep though, since if you wait until their main phase they have priority so can can cast even a creature/sorcery/enchantment/artifact before you are allowed to play silence.
I'm not sure about that. You can't put a sorcery or creature spell on the stack before instants resolve.
What I mean is that someone can't play an instant on your turn until you pass them priority. So if it's the start of your main phase, you can immediately play a sorcery before they have the opportunity to play an instant. They can respond to your sorcery, but they can't preempt you.
Just as you can cast a planeswalker and then play his ability (sorcery speed) before anyone can remove him. He might still be removed before the ability resolves, but they can't stop you putting it on the stack.
All, for a month!
Cannon, I presume you've seen manaweft sliver?
The getting 3 mana when you unmorph it is quite tasty for fast ramp though... and means you can include some big heavy dudes without necessarily worrying about your mana not coming out right....
Siby, isn't narset kinda the same as grixis attack-spell cast lady.
Ha so it turns out I was right about Derevi's nastiness. Banned in whatever this is as a commander!
http://duelcommander.com/banlist/
Ah but with her, you can cast ALL of them on the turn after she comes out...only exile 4 cards, 1/3 of the deck is land, and you'll need creatures too or you'll just die.
It's true you would actually have to balance your deck a bit to get in lots of evasion for her.
Yeah, it's worth mentioning that playing 1v1 is not necessarily the same as playing Duel Commander. Duel Commander is a competitive 1v1-only format, with its own ban list.
There's no reason you can't play your Commander decks (following the official multiplayer banlist) in one-on-one games. In that case, Derevi is not banned.
i think ascendancy is better than the elephant and the goat chariot lady.
Also, how does commander work?
morph means no SS right, so turn 3 you play a 2/2, turn 4 you attack with it, turn 5 your morph and attack with the 6/6.
How did you clone aether's and avacyn
Dr Who?
So apparently I save all my luck for playing Cannon.
Even my dodgy Jeleva deck looked invincible, though that was mainly down to making Avacyn disappear and getting Olivia out. I am realising now though that I definitely tuned my decks up somewhat to play against you guys. Cannon is using the kind of decks I actually like! Fun ones with a bit of theme. I should make some more of those.
I think combined with the slivers in 14 and 15, it could make a really nasty standard deck too.
Marathon likes that card a little bit, but not sure worth a spot.
Defo annoying for ghave! Lol.
I suppose with the charm you are paying for utility.
I am guessing there is a pretty evil red/green bloodrush deck to be made with burning tree.was never "top tier" tourament/competetive wise.
BTE aint even that good broseph.
Oh, and Cannon seeing the same card all the time in the same decks is why I don't like playing competetive.
restoration angel and thragtusk -> snapcaster mage -> sylvan caryatid and Courser of Kruphix
guys putting their commander into their graveyard on purpose just to destroy all my nonland permanents.
Right, there's little point playing against a vastly superior deck. You aren't going to win unless they draw badly.not even win, just do anything!
I hate cards with pay a bunch of mana to sac this and draw one card. Seems like such an unhelpful ability.
Right, there's little point playing against a vastly superior deck. You aren't going to win unless they draw badly.not even win, just do anything!
I am not saying better lands don't help. Just that it is usually the crazy creature rules that push games over the edge. I have rarely heard one of us say oh if only you had played a forest instead of that scryland!definitely think youre underplaying the importance of good lands. Theyre in the same bracket as sol ring. They dont kill yiu, but allow you to cast stuff which does.
Has anyone else played vs cannon's deathtouch fest deck? Pretty nifty.
Is the 1/2 deathtouch spider still in standard? He is great for green decks.
The full set is up!
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ktk-cig-en
I'm slightly disappointed that the only legends are the five khans. So only one new commander per wedge.
Well, nothing to say there won't be more 3 colour ones either right?
And my dragon guy is ok for edh. As we are in theory trying to avoid power decks he is fine I think.
kozilek is Ģ20.You can get him for half that in Italian.
I guess some of the vintage cards have new art though right?
Do you have to bring your own basic land to a sealed deck event? I'd better bring some in case.
So Siberius was showing me what for, and clobbered my artifact deck three games straight, which was fine.
People only generally have a couple of graveyard killing cards though so whilst it will sometimes fail, I think most of the time it will be ok. Pretty much anything has some counter people can put in their decks.
So I made an Angus edh deck cos I thought that would be an interesting change from the norm! Turns out he is quite gaddocky.
Tbh I don't have much interest in playing unrestricted edh.
Maybe I should make a super beardy roon deck with infinite coubterspells or something.
I used Odric as a general in my soldier deck at one point, seemed very fluffy.
He was fairly useless!
Plus I had a pure soldier deck and they would frown on having dolls. :-P
yes, shartgang bros are evil.
I've deliberately not made a deck from them on ground of their evilness.
adun oakenshield is cool and not broken, imo.
how can it have other colours within the cards, when they're linked to the commander?
Just discovered I own a bunch of planar chaos cards that I must have picked up when we started playing magic. I have a Teneb the Harvester! Seeing those old cards made me realize how bad the copies are on GCCG. I mean the new stuff is fine, but the older sets are no where near so faded and hard to read as they are on there. Pity they can't update them or something but I guess we should just be thankful if they actually put the new set on. :-P
You guys are poor at coming out to play. :-P
desperate for khans on gccg I want to make a sidisi edh deck, and temur and jeskai standard.
i dont really like khans, but have only played once!
Regenerate... too good?
Oh, yavimaya hollow. That's rather an overpowered land! Regen in general isn't too bad.Quote
Only 7quid though :-P
I'm off right now so I can do anytime for a 4 player!
Way more chance I will jump on if you post like you did today. I am trying to avoid being on there every day unless one of you guys is gonna show up, which is hard to know without being on. :-P
I nearly quit after the third game, but I decided I was just being a whiny bitch and I should just keep playing.
so unlikely I will be on after 9 most evenings
Gah, I hate this.
That guy who came on and said 'are those premade decks' was clearly thinking 'where are all your commander staples! You are doing this wrong!'
Looks like you got bored waiting, which I can't blame you for. I am only 1 1/2 later :-P
Are you guys free for 4playrr Saturday night?
Rufus normally gets on around 10 our time, which is 5 your time I think? Or are you central not eastern?
3 mana a turn to continuously cheat things in!
what else is good for graves in red?
I'd lose to use this guy in a proper grave deck!
I'd love a clever impersonator!
Had one in my hand in our 4 player, just didn't find a suitably worthwhile target.
Mnn, I still love my Goblins! :smile2:3 mana a turn to continuously cheat things in!
what else is good for graves in red?
I'd lose to use this guy in a proper grave deck!
I thought for a moment that he was as cheaty as Kiki-Jiki, goblin combo-wanker (Novorgord! Shakes fist), but since you have to pay mana to activate him he's harder to loop.
I'm not sure what you'd use him with. Red has a lot of draw/discard effects you can use to drop things in your graveyard (like Faithless Looting). And Goblin Welder!
Had one in my hand in our 4 player, just didn't find a suitably worthwhile target.
Anyone playing now?
Jazal Goldmane 2WW
Legendary Creature - Cat Warrior
First Strike
3WW: Attacking creatures you control get +X/+X until end of the turn, where X is the number of attacking creatures.
4/4
token creatures are the easiest thing in the game to get rid of.
it has to die.
furthermore a 6/6 and 9/9 creatures on their own arent THAT good in commander, compared to standard.
bunch of drawbacks. its not game breaking at all.
Tokens are so easy to kill though, so doubling them is no issue. :-P
whats the artifact that kills evertyhing with xcmc for xmana, 0 mana to kill all tokens
well, it is a fact that tokens are the easuiest thing in the game to remove
Arcane Lighthouse
Land
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.
1, T: Until end of turn, creatures your opponents control lose hexproof and shroud and can't have hexproof or shroud.
That angel is ok but you need them to be attacking for it to do anything so it's a bit situational. Against rufus it would do nothing!
Why do you need card info from the forum?
Great job wizards making me excited about this product despite not overly liking monocoloured decks!
Wow, finally a good card in these so far boring/terrible new EDH decks.
Flamekin Village
As Flamekin Village enters the battlefield, you may reveal an Elemental card from your hand. If you don't, Flamekin Village enters the battlefield tapped.
{T}: Add {R} to your mana pool.
{R},{T}:Target creature gains haste until end of turn.
He claims to not have known the card was banned AND he says he had no idea how much it's worth.
I sent my sidisi deck into The Command Tower guy- he asked people to send in info on what is difficult for them in commabder, so I talked about how long my turns take me having to use my grave! ha ha.
I'll be so super psyched if he uses it.
Maybe we are not cut out for 3 player... Either it turns into a grind that everyone wants to kill themselves in or is an insatisfying trouncing.
Also, coloured abilities mean you can use those as your general's colours?! Are there any more legends like that?
Nice!I am on now cannon if you happen to be free
Also, look at the decklist for the dragon! That deck would cost many hundreds of pounds. That's the kind of powergaming nonsense we'd end up with if we played without price restrictions on our cards.
That makes no sense.
With the exception of some of the very early cards, anything that is expensive is powerful.
That free mind control spell you used was pretty beardy but it seemed to be the only way you could stop my insanely OP merfolk/griffin azorius deck. :::cheers:::
Islandwalk is strong.
It's this vague area between harmless and game-ending that makes discussionsocializationso important for Commander. You need to talk to the other players. Explaining what your deck does and how it goes about doing it, before ever shuffling up, will help others identify if they have an issue with that or if your idea of a great game won't be possible with everyone else. Explaining that your Sidisi, Brood Tyrant deck likes to Sidisi all over the place and nothing else, for example, might make another player put away Anafenza, the Foremost and reach for a different commander.
You can't hate Santa!
I did enjoy our ruric vs bolas game. Unfortunately bolas has the pip of power/tough over ruric and that undid me somewhat but it was still a good game where stuff got onto the table.
Yes, I have caught Mirrodinitis! But only because robot dragon and wurmcoil are in the red precon. :icon_razz:
Any game where I actually manage to cast Nicol Bolas is a good game! His mana cost is ridiculous.
It was funny that Ruric's ability never triggered!
Hi. I am back to this thread. Played a lot of EDH sunday. Was fun! What did YOU do?
Hi. I am back to this thread. Played a lot of EDH sunday. Was fun! What did YOU do?I got excited by the new c14 cards
I dint think you barely pulled out a win vs me!
Well ravnica owl is 1 counterspell and a flyer and costs 4 times less.
Well ravnica owl is 1 counterspell and a flyer and costs 4 times less.
No it isn't!
I don't think we should allow any PW as commander! Only the new ones that specifically say they can be.I misunderstood what you were talking about.
Though I'm happy with not using any at all, really.
I think you are the only price limit restricted person now fin! At least one of the artifact creatures rufus has in the santa deck was over 10squids.
Id rather we had a stricter price limit, even down to say a 5er (perhaps with a land exception?), than abandoning it.
I dont think im against using any PW as commander
1vs1 is also more susceptible to games going horribly due to bad draws, or a couple turns of mana screw, which wouldnt effect multi in the same way.
The bonus is they are quicker and less likely to descend into boring nothingness like the multi games can, and people dont forget to pay attention!
1vs1 is also more susceptible to games going horribly due to bad draws, or a couple turns of mana screw, which wouldnt effect multi in the same way.
The bonus is they are quicker and less likely to descend into boring nothingness like the multi games can, and people dont forget to pay attention!
I agree with this. I think sometimes it is worth throwing in the towel earlier when things go badly wrong. The best games are the close ones. I am trying to get out of the habit of holding on till the bitter end when I am 90% sure I am going to lose.
He's a savant.
He's a savant.
Na, he's just better at magic than me!
So I'm putting it out there as an option. If you want to build decks that are either fluffy or themey or just use a bunch of subpar cards because you like them, do it
Yeh I think that guy only would be really bad if you could keep blinking him somehow. Which I am sure you can, but I doubt you have built your deck around that.
I went on today, and saw rufus, but he left without saying anything to me.
I went on today, and saw rufus, but he left without saying anything to me.
!
Are you sure? I don't remember doing that!
Oh!
Not intentional!
Arghhh! Rafiqed to death! Why does one always draw condemn vs generals you don't care about and then when you badly badly need it it refuses to show up?
I only won the first game cos you decided to play a green deck when all your cards were white and blue. :-P
What on earth is the gccg?http://gccg.sourceforge.net/
Rafiq is deceptively dangerous.
If purphuros was in say a red burn deck he wouldn't be so bad right?He's still pretty bad. Cheap, indestructible, and even if you only get out 5 creatures (not a lot in edh) that's 10 damage essentially for free. There's only a couple gods that aren't bonkers. Heliod, Pharika, Nylea, and Ephara are all pretty tame. Erebos isn't super awful, but he's annoying.
Not saying he ain't good. Just not so broken. Lots of stuff does damage like that. They are all great value really. Even the not so good ones
So, I've played six or seven games with my Grimgrin deck, which I made purely so I could have Geralf and Gisa from C14 in it, for a zombies and mad scientists theme.
Neither of them has shown up once! Where are they! ::heretic::
So, I've played six or seven games with my Grimgrin deck, which I made purely so I could have Geralf and Gisa from C14 in it, for a zombies and mad scientists theme.
Neither of them has shown up once! Where are they! ::heretic::
Yeah and it is one thing to do it while you are playing them but it is a whole other to do it whilst you are testing your deck by itself! First thing he said is that a card I was playing was suboptimal.
Iroas is by far the cheapest of those you listed, by the by.
"baneslayer, iroas, purphuros and elesh"
those 3 are good cards.
Elesh is in a different league. I'd be upset if anyone included her.
Iroas is by far the cheapest of those you listed, by the by.
I get the feeling I have no concept of what is powerful add you guys usually disagree with me and I always end up using stuff which is broken.I think you play magic in the sort of "play creatures, turn them sideways" kind of way which I do as well. (which is why Iroas is so good in our games, yet in other "metas" or in different games he's not, hence the price)
Oddly I still manage to lose with it to rufus's worst decks which is kinda embarrassing if you think about it!
also, rufus is more experienced and has played longer, so flat out knows which cards are broken or whatever from sets he played in.
I'm sure Vendilion clique was a key offender in fairy tribal which dominated standard at the time, but if you didn't know that it's easier to overlook.
but if you delve into the value you can see it- a 3 power flyer for 3 mana. quite good. flash, ok excellent. thoughtsieze or card cycling yourself for free. amazing.
3 cards in one.
I tried to use sower of temptation the other day
"oh it's only the same effect as control magic"
yes, but with a free 2/2 flyer. 2 cards in one.
also, rufus is more experienced and has played longer, so flat out knows which cards are broken or whatever from sets he played in.
I'm sure Vendilion clique was a key offender in fairy tribal which dominated standard at the time, but if you didn't know that it's easier to overlook.
but if you delve into the value you can see it- a 3 power flyer for 3 mana. quite good. flash, ok excellent. thoughtsieze or card cycling yourself for free. amazing.
3 cards in one.
I tried to use sower of temptation the other day
"oh it's only the same effect as control magic"
yes, but with a free 2/2 flyer. 2 cards in one.
But does that make a card wrong? There are a bombload of excellent cards that do that which we all use. Iroas is a good example of rediculous value. And the zombie captain that rufus used is 3 mana for a guy with death touch. Not bad already. Then he makes the rest of your guys +1. Totally worth 3 mana. Then whenever one of your guys dies he hits opponent for 1. That should be worth at least a mana or two. And he is somehow uncommon.
3 cards in one is not unusual really. Anyhow, I think overall my point is that it sucks spending time making decks only to discover they are evil or whatnot. Not saying that's anyone's fault. I guess I might have to just stick to certain decks that are inoffensive.
Well I did say I didn't understand the cards.my mistake, he's not banned, he's just not modern legal because he was printed only in planecahse then commander, not a "normal" set.
Where'd you good that ban list? The ones I am finding don't have him. I am curious to read up more on his horrificness though.
I should warn you syphon. There are additional rules, no cards costing over Ģ10, no infect. That might be it. I think there are a few other cards banned but rufus or fin well remember those better.
I should warn you syphon. There are additional rules, no cards costing over Ģ10, no infect. That might be it. I think there are a few other cards banned but rufus or fin well remember those better.
Cannon, how do you feel about sol ring? Pretty much free mana and then huge ongoing advantage...
Just wondering. I kinda hate it cos it is just way too efficient. Total no brainer to have it in every deck. And early game it can put you so far ahead of your opponent. Most other mana generators take a turn to set up so it feels like there is a bit of sacrifice. Not so much sol ring
Sandsteppe Mastodon - Rare - 5GG
Creature - Elephant
Reach
When Sandsteppe Mastodon enters the battlefield Bolster 5 (Choose a creature with the least toughness or tied with the least toughness among creatures you control. Put 5 +1/+1 counters on it.)
5/5
I'm tempted to put in one of my decks to match up against one of you. But which one? Since you don't like planeswalkers, superfriends is out. My black deck is out since you don't like tutors, red deck also has planeswalkers, maybe blue with Muzzio. Or WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon. I might just do that...
Yes, modern is already a crazy format!But she is a 2/2, so she will not last that long on the field :eusa_wall:
I think all of the dragons look broken.
The only thing stopping that might be lack of dragons in some colours?
but a couple of times had valuable creatures lost to burn rather than get them my hand.
Manifest is a tricky mechanic. I personally hate it, because I had bad experiences with it. Played Fierce Invocation at the prerelease in my Abzan deck which had a smattering of red. Guess what card I manifested both times? One of my bombs, Mob Rule. Even with the counters placed on it by Fierce
I personally chose Abzan for the prerelease because in all my KTK drafts (I think easily 50 if not more)
Manifest is a tricky mechanic. I personally hate it, because I had bad experiences with it. Played Fierce Invocation at the prerelease in my Abzan deck which had a smattering of red. Guess what card I manifested both times? One of my bombs, Mob Rule. Even with the counters placed on it by Fierce
This is kinda what I was trying to say. Logically maybe it makes no difference, but when you manifest the wrong thing, or the right thing that gets blasted as a 2/2, when playing sealed, it hurts!!
I don't think I have used a prowess card yet! Not a fan of it, but it is probably because I err on the side of more creatures usually.
I had that black dash guy. He was pretty good, being able to not only swing, but pop out a little token was tasty. With more of the warrior buffs that are about in this set it would have been even nicer!
I don't think I like it for EDH, or probably any singleton format.
I could actually see manifest being handy in edh in a graveyard deck, cos whether it pays off or not it gets another card into your graveyard.
In sealed I think the issue me and syphon ran into was that it lost us precious bombs. In normal magic you can afford to lose cards because you have more copies coming but in sealed you often only have one or two cards that are stars and throwing one away hurts!
True! Could one make a deck based on being able to see the top card of your library? I know there are plenty of cards that allow you to do that, including creatures. The question is whether there are enough cards to exploit it by using it to cheat those cards into play, outside of manifest. I'm not really sure on that. I am guessing blue and green would be essential colours though.
I suppose you could also base the tactic on being able to see their top card as you often get the option. Then you could try to filter away their good cards whilst waiting on your snazzy ones...
sygg river guide, too bent?
Does Thalia, guardian of Thraben change the cmc? I would guess no.
sygg river guide, too bent?
Dragons for everyone. Kinda makes them less special somehow.
what are the other sites saying on power level?
I think people thought the last couple sets were a little underpowered in comparison to predecessors
Ridiculous combo. Two of these:
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_OVyJ4Miv8k.png)
Add a counter to one of them, somehow. They then keep adding counters to themselves until you decide to stop!
Anyone in for a tinyleaders EDH battle at the eurobash? :happy:
I expect you can make a really dodgy goblin tiny leaders deck!!Goblins are fun! ::heretic::
I might be able to get on in a little bit. Think you'll be about?
My new job means no afternoons anymore!
Stop blaming speculators and the secondary market for high card prices.
- Is there a max land cards you can have in your manapool?
- When you tap too add a land to your mana pool (like elvish mystic) do you get a land card from your deck?
As for Origins...I am rather stoked to see it. But Gideon being from Theros bugs me to no end. Gideon isn't even faintly a Therosian name.
As for Origins...I am rather stoked to see it. But Gideon being from Theros bugs me to no end. Gideon isn't even faintly a Therosian name.
That's because he used to be called Kytheon! :icon_razz:
(http://community.wizards.com/sites/mtgcommunity/files/styles/large/public/kytheonheroofakros.jpg?itok=wP8THQLc)
(http://community.wizards.com/sites/mtgcommunity/files/styles/large/public/gideonbattleforged.jpg?itok=KLjqq3n6)
Tainted Remedy is the bees knees if you combo it with Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood. You are never going to run dry everrrr!
I buy cards brand new (in booster packs) so I don't have too much sympathy. If you're paying someone else to sort through packs for you and get you only particular cards that you want, they can get damaged along the way. Not all people are super respectful/careful/delicate with this stuff, that's why I only buy cards brand new.
will it drop, or is it playable in other (stupid) formats?
Reprint alert! This is a good card, but those Bant lions look so stupid. It looks exactly as ridiculous as most minatures in Warmachine:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/71/887/200/283/635708743877855939.png)
Finlay, Rufus, if you find yourselves in an afterlife when you next wake up, it'll probably have been my fault. You two speak heresy!
By the way, you should get Magic Workstation.
And the Magic Workstation crowd is bigger too.
Thanks wizards. Ruining magic has always been your top priority.
And the Magic Workstation crowd is bigger too.Is it more userfriendly then GCCG?
And the Magic Workstation crowd is bigger too.Is it more userfriendly then GCCG?
In my mind it is!And the Magic Workstation crowd is bigger too.Is it more userfriendly then GCCG?
GCCG isn't that hard to use!
can you post a deck list syphon?
Do you make really gross decks?
the amazing multiplayer games of EDH in belgium ruined me, I don't want to play 1vs1 on clunky gccg anymore!
That sounds like a good plan!
Nice decklist, by the way, though I don't recognise all the cards (probably ones from the scars of mirodin block). Do you find the Urza lands useful? I'd have thought they'd hardly ever show up at once.
This:
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/origins_askdf9aj2399v/en_Aqho1AhimD.png)
with planeswalker Teferi. Gain control of up to four creatures with his untap ability! ::heretic::
I'm getting this card.
ROOOOOON
(although teferi is just better at it, so i'll just end up in the sidisi/ghave situation again)
i'm putting the land that give you creatures back in all decks!
I have Expedition Map + a variety of shenanigans to get lands. Expedition Map + Welder is a great early combination to get your necessary lands.
I recently started playing the urza's lands. More for fluff then practical, but it can come in handy lots of mana.Quote from: SyphonI have Expedition Map + a variety of shenanigans to get lands. Expedition Map + Welder is a great early combination to get your necessary lands.
Ah, I suppose that would work sometimes. I should probably get a map.
I'm not sure I like the thopter foundry.
It's interesting to see your list, Novo! I'm not sure if we were justified in hating you out of that game or not... but after kiki-jiki-gate last year, we didn't want to take the chance. Though I say this as someone who did cyclonic rift => time spiral. ::heretic::No problem, I'm over it (sort of, just wait for next year ;) )
Sensei's durdle top is a really ridiculous price. That stupid, boring card needs a reprint!
Oh, and you don't have many mountains to trigger valakut!
Modern Affinity Deck complete!
I'm going to get GCCG
Modern Affinity Deck complete!
That sounds expensive!
I don't see the appeal of modern. The card prices are ludicrous.
That is why it took me a while before it was complete.
Thanks to some good pulls from my Modern Masters 2015 box, was I able to trade a lot.
Also Pucatrade and Deckbox helped me a lot.
I am sick today, so I think I will sit on gccg. I haven't played in a while.
the Theros set was not that great really, I don't think it was particularly well received.
It sold very well, apparently. And it's fine! The theme is well done and there are plenty of interesting cards.
You know what's a complete failure to deliver? Planechase's upkeep. Don't get me wrong, the entire thing is AWESOME. But it lacks continued support. How hard would it be to print one plane extra for the prerelease of a new block's first set?
I think I use some of the cards in EDH though.
Emrakul is ridiculous. I'm glad he's banned in commander.Indeed, the flying spaghetti monster...
I hope some new happy little goblins come from Zendikar :)
Was he the only one? How odd.Maybe one of the 14 persons bidding for this black lotus. http://www.geek.com/games/black-lotus-magic-the-gatherings-most-famous-card-sells-for-27302-1577939/ (http://www.geek.com/games/black-lotus-magic-the-gatherings-most-famous-card-sells-for-27302-1577939/)
Why do people keep asking for Library of Alexandria to be unbanned in commander? It costs 300 quid now, and it's not even legal anywhere except vintage (a format that presumably is only played with fake cards, if it's played at all).
What kind of fool would pay that for a card?
shocklands have gone cray expensive.
Was I stupid to expect a price drop after standard? did I just wait too long?
are all the decent duals cray expensive in popular legacy/modern colours? The khan's blue black land is 13 quid!
I think I have a red white pain land.
Maybe one of the 14 persons bidding for this black lotus
Full art basics confirmed :(The "original" man lands are also from Zendikar, which can be fun!
And no fetch lands but a new cycle of rare lands.
Enemy colour man lands?
experience counters will make your commander grow in power during the course of each game.
Man lands are crazy expensive now! so I'm pleased they're doing new ones.
I maybe want to buy them all, although I don't like us having the same precons, rufus, because I just get jealous and want to copy what you're using.
I feel like I can't appropriate Izzet or Orxhov from you! Although I do want to make an izzet EDH deck
magic cards are a better investment than any savings accounts!
New mulligan rule!
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/new-mulligan-rule-starting-battle-zendikar-prereleases-2015-08-20
You get to Scry 1 after taking a normal mulligan.
I've only been to two prereleases (so consider myself an expert :icon_razz: ). At khans of tarkir, my abzan booster influenced me into playing those colours even though the other boosters clearly indicated jeskai instead. So I ended up with a mediocre deck and didn't do that well. Then, at dragons of tarkir, my dromoka booster pushed an already-strong collection of green and white cards into awesomeland, and I won.
So I think the seeded packs are great if you get good support from your boosters, but rather irritating if you don't.
I haven't played this game since 1997, or maybe early 1998, but my brother (19 years younger than me) plays and he asked if I'd play against him. I find I understand none of what you guys are talking about.
But I assume black lotuses and dual lands are still good?
original duals are several hundred dollars.
20 black lotuses, 20 plague rats and 20 swamps. Now THAT was real magic!
20 black lotuses, 20 plague rats and 20 swamps. Now THAT was real magic!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74235&type=card)
Praire Stream
Land - Plains Island (Rare)
Prairie Stream enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or more basic lands.
Zendikari expeditions are 25 full art premium mythic rares that can appear in bfz boosters, they consist of 10 shocks, 10 fetches and 5 new bfz duals.
I just did 123 damage to rufus in one turn.
thank you, overhwlming stampede, thunderfoot baloth and Terra Stomper
I just did 123 damage to rufus in one turn.
thank you, overhwlming stampede, thunderfoot baloth and Terra Stomper
Dooes that mean Rufus automatically loses his next game?
those back2basic check lands are searchable ala shocklands!
for the awaken lands, you get the spell plus the counters if you use the awaken cost, don't have to spend the awaken cost plus the spell cost?
the checklands are pretty cheap (Ģ3). I like them for EDH.
I thought the awaken black kill spell might be worth it for Erebaws.
I thought the awaken black kill spell might be worth it for Erebaws.
I dislike Ob Nixilis because he is too black.so you hate muslims AND black people?
I want to buy some storage solutions
That artwork looks straight out of an open cinematic of a 1990's computer game.
That Dragon master looks edh amazing!
Put it on 'marketplace' almost immediately after coming home. Got bids of 70, 130, 150 euro. NO ACCEPTO.They are going for around 280 / 300 euros on magiccarmarkte.eu. Which says enough.
Why do people want then, just to bling decks?
Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas - 2WR
Legendary Creature - Giant Soldier
Double strike, vigilance
Whenever you cast a creature spell with converted mana cost 5 or greater, you get an experience counter.
Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas gets +1/+1 for each experience counter you have.
3/3
Daxos probably died looking for Elspeth, who was last seen in Erebos' underworld.
the snakey dude seems fun, but not sure how many good snakes there are.
That wheel of fortune guy raised my interest because it's expensive.
There's also a multiplYer targeting oblivion ring, for the same mana!
Yes! Now I'm thinking again that I want two decks.
Also, bear:
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_X4EoEnpo8O.png)
Yes! Now I'm thinking again that I want two decks.
Also, bear:
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_X4EoEnpo8O.png)
Brag:
Last thursday I held a beta Black Lotus.
Brag:
Last thursday I held a beta Black Lotus.
Brag : I used to own 3 of those
wayland doesnt have them at all!
PhyrArena is at Ģ4.20 for a c15 single down from 6.17. Might buy that.wayland doesnt have them at all!
They've got preorders for the next expansion (due in January), but no commander 15 at all! It's very odd.
My B/W deck arrived in the post, by the way! I also bought mystic confluence, gigantoplasm, and a couple of thought vessels. Mystic confluence has gone up a lot in price since I ordered it (it's now about 8 quid), though I don't suppose the price will stay that high.
Why buy any decks? Just order the singles. Unless you're just starting out it's highly unlikely you have not got the filler cards yet.i've bought abvout 4 boosters ever. I likely don't have fillers.
Did you see the creature that kinda does what aether snap is (which is in black deck). it's not instant and easier to remove, but is a creature. Not sure if i should use or not.
Hmmm, that looks quite useful.Especially for colourless EDH decks.
Hmmm, that looks quite useful.Especially for colourless EDH decks.
I'm wondering how the other art of the basics will look.
I think the C15 commanders are a bit dodgy. They aren't making for interesting games so far.
She looks great for EDH/Commander.
Not that great for Modern.
Me :happy:She looks great for EDH/Commander.
Not that great for Modern.
Who plays Modern? That is way too costly.
Me :happy:She looks great for EDH/Commander.
Not that great for Modern.
Who plays Modern? That is way too costly.
Yeah sure...Me :happy:She looks great for EDH/Commander.
Not that great for Modern.
Who plays Modern? That is way too costly.
You must be rich, if you not only have a modern deck but also play WH on the side.
Mina and Denn, Wildborn
2RG
Legendary Creature - Elf Ally
You may play an additional land during each of your turns.
RG, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Target creature gains trample until end of turn.
4/4
Oh yes, I did see that: he's in the duel deck along with (the irritating) Giest of st Traft.A New dual deck? Which one?
Two unfoils are: Cavern of Souls (it is a Chinese one, the foil one is to expensive) & Krosan Verge (Which you can't get in foil).
Very nice, Novo!Rufus, you're a life saver! I changed the Planechase card with an Cathedral of War. I'm curious how well the exalted will do.
Uril has to be hated out of the game, or he's likely to win out of nowhere. Kill on sight!Two unfoils are: Cavern of Souls (it is a Chinese one, the foil one is to expensive) & Krosan Verge (Which you can't get in foil).
Uh, aren't there two Krosan Verges in that photo? You have the planechase one on the bottom row, and another (from the Judgement set, and in a different language) on the top right. It's a foil too...
I noticed because the art is the same on both cards.
Wait, so you need the new dodgy mana specifically? I thought you could just use any colourless.
Indeed, it will be confusing in the beginning. But everything will work out just fine :happy:
I wish they didn't use the same symbol for generic and colourless previously... guess thats why they're changing it!
Prophet of Kruphix is banned in commander!So you can play blue cards in a red deck?
http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18057
At last.
Also, now you're allowed to generate colours that aren't in your commander's colour identity with lands like City of Brass.
I've only played a couple of times, but I enjoyed Innistrad.
My Hamlet Captain was my hero for my human decks!
(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/isd/187.jpg)
but they do miss things in playtesting. cough delver, skullclamp etc.
Cloak of Invisibility to Women.And most people in general I think :happy:
I'll try and get back to the magic thing. I'm afraid recently, blood bowl 2 is just dominating my gaming needs.
Which reminds me I need to do the bfz ones and temples!
That's some nice art.
So Seasons Past can return one card per possible mana cost, right? One card that costs 0 (land!), one that costs 1, one that costs 2, and so on. That could be quite limiting.
I like the ghost.
Giestblast is channeling some hardcore Mr Freeze:
So you went to a prerelease match?
How does your group divide cards to keep?
I didn't get a mythic in either of my previous pre-release packs, so I'm due one this time. That's how probability works, right?
Yes, let's try playing standard to see if it sucks!
I'm not sure if werewolves are good in edh. But I'm going to use a few with Surrak.
Presumably the werewolf legend will be Ulrich, since there's this card in SOI:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=409943&type=card)
Unless they're trolling us.
arent they going to eldrazi it a bit?
I was hoping it wasn't going to turn out to be Emrakul, since I don't like eldrazi at all. But everything is hinting very strongly in that direction.
The plot seems to be that Nahiri is drawing Emrakul to Innistrad as revenge against Sorin, and Emrakul's approach is causing the madness and corruption. But it could still be something else!
1) didnt you get one of the super rare bfz lands?
2) the house always wins.
Wort-Boggart Auntie (and Kiki-Jikki) are no longer with us, they have left to the goblin heaven.
None of the decks were too bad at previous eurobashes apart from kiki jiki trying to combo off and uril trying to one shot people!
Daretii recursion artifact deck is bound to be combo-tastic and dodgy! kill kill kill.
Ghave did wreck everyone in one game, but not in the other game.That is because they are shy!
No Urils were around.
It's not as exciting as the Gitrog toad was, but at least there's a spider legend at last. You can probably make a decent spider-themed deck. Don't forget that land that regenerates spiders! Swarmyard?Yes, but also Squirrel, Insect and Rat.
I think you could build a pretty good spider recursion deck with golgari.
Give that mass a ping ability and it would be pretty nice! Especially in say EDH where you constantly face giant monsters.
I like this:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/125/531/200/283/636033974578782383.png)
Why?
The timing of this character's introduction positively reeks of painful commercialism and corporate pandering...
...It's also highly unfortunate that her antagonist in the story is a successful white male dressed in republican red whose villainy involves mistreating a woman.
On the card cost thing, imagine the arguments we could have if gccg had a card cost altering function!
is monarchy only valid in conspiracy games?
Jeering homunc would be amazing in multiplayer roon!
Get to keep the cards you drafted?
Does panharmonicon mean creatures double their own etb triggers? Or is it for things like aether charge?
Theres a dwarf version of vampire nighthawk.
White. And vigilance not death touch.
efficient or what, and uncommon. Standard staple incoming.
Am I gonna buy your phyrexarena or wot.
i kind of want them to go with it and use energy throughout future sets too.
I assume they re use things that are very popular or work really well but I've not really noticed much when or when not they've done it. I guess everything was new at some point.
Another five-mana wrath:
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNuiu2i_KLD/en_HpJJsK3R6H.png)
The lifegain is quite a nice bonus.
Learn to read into inferences before being prolix. Your pontifications can end with a good Finding when you flesh out your thoughts properly, but as a whole, you are very defensive about contiplating your naval.
The full set is up now. There are quite a few dwarfs!
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/kaladesh
Dwarf police!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/427/636095286781180840.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27921-fairgrounds-warden
Contiplating your naval.
Doing what with your boats? :icon_eek:
I'd have thought it cost too much mana for modern and legacy. Maybe not though.It is to mana intensive for Modern or Legacy. But it looks very strong in EDH.
Gosh! :Ohmy:It took some time, but I'm happy with it :smile2:
So expensive!
The blue gearhulk has gone up even more now. Hype!Come on! Lets ride the train :Ohmy:
Come on! Lets ride the train :Ohmy:
Would you be allowed to have gw/ur partners, 4 colour deck?
]Can reyhan go in the atraxa deck as a regular card. Seems like it could be handy.
That abzan dude with ghave! (Anything with ghave)
Would that fish also work on poison counters on a person?
well in the realm of infinite possibility it is a guarantee. While it could take up to a million years it will eventually happen. I am not going to shuffle for a million years.
Theoretical Science should have prevailed in this situation.
(What really annoys me is literally anyone else in my playgroup would have realized what was happening and would have scooped. I get the one guy who refused to just scoop and give me the win.)
If he's calling a judge I'm assuming it's a competitive game in which case time may be called before he completes what he wants, making a tie.
Magic really attracts pseudo-intellectuals.I think typically nerd hobbies often do, along with a sense of superiority.
Plus is he really even right? Technically, however low the odds, it's possible that infinite shuffling would not put the card on the top.
I think typically nerd hobbies often do, along with a sense of superiority.
interesting pair of articles.
Ultimate evil! ::heretic::Infinite goblin death will be upon you! :icon_mrgreen:
Bring them on! I am ready for them!Watch out for flying goblins ::heretic::
I opened my Artaxa EDH deck, and found that a lot of the cards were stuck together. They could be pulled apart, but it's left marks around the edges on some of them. The worst-looking ones are the tokens, which are the ones that matter least, but it's pretty annoying.So Belgians can do something good, apart from brewing :-P
Apparently, supplemental products like commander and conspiracy (some people had damaged cards in conspiracy packs) are printed in the USA, while the normal cards are printed in Belgium. Poor quality control in the USA!
Yahenni's Expertise
2BB
Sorcery
All creatures get -3/-3 until end of turn.
You may cast a card with converted mana cost 3 or less from your hand without paying its mana cost.
Trophy Mage
2U
Creature - Human Wizard
When Trophy Mage enters the battlefield, you may serach your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost 3, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
Scrap Trawler
3
Artifact Creature - Construct
Whenever Scrap Trawler or another artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return to your hand target artifact card in your graveyard with lesser converted mana cost.
You're using lux cannon now?
What's happened to you!?
or even Breya? (she comes into play, brings 2 thopters, then the new version dies?)
in a deck with g for doubling season!
On the better part, the alterings are done on the unfoilable cards for my Uril Edh deck :::cheers:::
Patience, they are on their way to me. I only have the pictures from the artist, and I can only show them in full glory in the whole deck.On the better part, the alterings are done on the unfoilable cards for my Uril Edh deck :::cheers:::
What did you have done? Show us!
mechanized production pre=ordering at Ģ4.
too much for me to buy yet!
Novo what's your eurobash deck like? I'm thinking of buying my online Breya deck.Well I can bring two multiplayer decks, one like yours, my daretti deck has no know infinity combo, just some artifact stuff.
It's a strong deck, within the limitations that Rufus and I play with (no tutors, no infinite combos, some vagueish price restrictions).
Also the enemy-coloured fetchlands! So no big price drop then.Soon master, soon!
Post those deck photos, Novogord!
Those looks interesting! It's pretty bold to do that to ABU duals though!No worries, it was in the same batch that I ordered but it isn't in the deck.
Is that an inkmoth nexus? Infect in EDH? ::heretic::
Having expensive and unreprintable cards altered is bold! What if it had gone wrong? :Ohmy:That is why I use someone with a good reputation ;-)
I'm glad you aren't playing infect! I've yet to see anyone dare to try that in EDH.I've had one, he didn't survive very long in multiplayer. Even less long then Uril!
In other news, the new modern masters set is full of good reprints! It's pretty crazy.This year it is full of goodies and I didn't order a box :-(
Craterhoof is about 20 quid at the moment! The modern masters one is preordering around 10. So still expensive.Because he is used in Legacy Elves a lot. He is a good card in EDH elves to.
In the past year or two, Wizards has made it clear that it sees Magic not so much as a game but as a brand that it can use to sell merchandise, art books, and maybe even movies someday. The issue is that the push to being a brand rather than a game has had a hugely negative impact on the game itself. We see story cards and mechanics being pushed to absurd power levels (think Emrakul, the Promised End or Vehicles). After all, no one will want to buy an Emrakul, the Promised End bobble head if Emrakul, the Promised End isn't good. We've seen the proliferation of "the Gatewatch," characters who will doubtlessly be essential to the long-rumored "Magic movie." The messages we get from new Wizards CEO Chris Cocks sound eerily like "That Guy,"" the frozen "1980s dollar jockey" who briefly took over as the CEO of Planet Express: "Get back to the farm, shift some paradigms, revolutionize outside the box..."
Basically, it feels like Wizards has sold out. Instead of the primary focus being to make the game as good as possible, the goal is to draw as many new players as possible, or sell as much branded merchandise as possible, or "grow the brand."
V critical article of the state of standard, and wizards in general. (although there were no ban changes)Does the name of the company starts with Games?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/wizards-can-t-ban-away-standard-s-problems-but-they-ll-probably-tryQuoteIn the past year or two, Wizards has made it clear that it sees Magic not so much as a game but as a brand that it can use to sell merchandise, art books, and maybe even movies someday. The issue is that the push to being a brand rather than a game has had a hugely negative impact on the game itself. We see story cards and mechanics being pushed to absurd power levels (think Emrakul, the Promised End or Vehicles). After all, no one will want to buy an Emrakul, the Promised End bobble head if Emrakul, the Promised End isn't good. We've seen the proliferation of "the Gatewatch," characters who will doubtlessly be essential to the long-rumored "Magic movie." The messages we get from new Wizards CEO Chris Cocks sound eerily like "That Guy,"" the frozen "1980s dollar jockey" who briefly took over as the CEO of Planet Express: "Get back to the farm, shift some paradigms, revolutionize outside the box..."
Basically, it feels like Wizards has sold out. Instead of the primary focus being to make the game as good as possible, the goal is to draw as many new players as possible, or sell as much branded merchandise as possible, or "grow the brand."
Where ave I kinda seen this before...
I dropped donut sugar on my magic cards.With or without protection?
As I was sleeving them up.I have a boros charm spare if you would be interested.
derp derp.
Still need to buy Boris charm, Merciless Eviction, Shambling Vent and Temple of Epiphany.
There's some good stuff in the precon that I'm not using- sharuum the hegemon sticks out to me, or possibly silas renn.
I've also got Bosh from the Daretti deck.
I don't really like master trinketeer or soul of new phyrexia (mana intensive abilities).
And also think I possibly need to squeeze in a ravnica guild signet or two, as I am running the deck pretty land light.
why did this happen, when I want to buy one? spiked from 80 cents to 5 dollars!
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Journey+into+Nyx/Temple+of+Epiphany#online
blue god
3 mana, 5/5 flying indestructo!
(http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/amonkhet/28657-kefnet-the-mindful)
I think channeler initiate might be decent for EDH?
a 3 turn multi coloured mana dork, that finishes up with a semi-decent body?
Is it too hard to keep 7+ cards even in EDH?
The green god's drawback is so easy to overcome: any 2 power creature + his activated ability! I can imagine playing him in all sorts of decks.
The white one is similar to Heliod, but probably not as good.
Minotaur guy plays well with reanimation and madness.
unless your deck is doing other stuff to tap creatures.
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I thought I'd like C15 the most, because they were enemy-paired decks. But no.I almost pre-ordered all the c15 decks, (after they spiked high value for c14), then didnt buy any!
I thought I'd hate the C14 decks, because they were mono-coloured and had planeswalker commanders, but those are the best ones!
There's probably an instructive moral there somewhere.
wasitoru is broken.
flying, trample, huge body, 5 cmc, gross combat damage ability- that will be really easy to trigger due to the flying, trample, huge body.
I don't like all the super specific cards in this set. "if nicol bolas planeswalker" and stff,
Are there some huge horses in egyptian myth?
When is Hou on gatherer?
Solemnity is great hate, but not sure applicable enough to use in the 99.
The only one I agree with is Treachery- dumb card.
The whole idea makes me feel uneasy. The idea of their being dominant DECKS in commander is sad. There should be millions of different decks!
kindred discovery plus locust god = infinite
I was planning on buying the cat deck for an multiplayer event (only the basic C17 decks allowed).
Now you make me very unsure Rufus.
I think ramunap excavator is now seeing standard play, up to 4.80.
If you're looking to beef up Inalla's tribal support next week, make sure to look at the Wizard tribal pushes we made back in Onslaught and Morningtide.
i didnt realise there was wizard support in morningtide?
yes but sun titan isn't a vampire. Depends how themey you want to be. in a Vampi deck i'd definitely play it over sun titan.
the art on the dual lands is lovely.
A guy at FNM said to me, "Don't you have any shoes on?!"First you met him?
No. You can see that. What sort of question is that!
I thought that bg flip land was risky- in case your thing gets exiled or something. but guess in ghave when can just instantly sacrifice whatever!
think I need storm the vault for breya! Hope it isn't standard playable.
dinosaurs seem really fun now. You get dumb naya stompyness, but add tribal synergies, also pyrohemia/enrage effects, can build around extra combat steps for ghishath.
I think it's weird wizards are doing a "great design search" and set up a test to find people who are going to think the same way about design as wotc already so.It is not the first time Wizards makes strange dicisions.
Well I final made the jump. I played a Pre-Release yesterday, and it was quiet fun.
God I miss playing magic with real cards...I had a fully foiled Affinity deck... I felled the pain for really when they banned it... I switched since then to Red/Black Goblins in Modern.
Built a modern deck (Hardened scales but didn't buy any mox opal, repaired 2 teeth instead and then it got banned) and played one tournament with it in January 2020. Got 1 gameday EDH in during the summer with real cards but we kept 2 metres distance but better than nothing.
Not even looking at new sets, too depressing to buy and not be able to play as it should be played, with friends and laughs. Glad I got warhammer to paint, in waiting of the first post-covid battle... :icon_cry:
God I miss playing magic with real cards...I had a fully foiled Affinity deck... I felled the pain for really when they banned it... I switched since then to Red/Black Goblins in Modern.
Built a modern deck (Hardened scales but didn't buy any mox opal, repaired 2 teeth instead and then it got banned) and played one tournament with it in January 2020. Got 1 gameday EDH in during the summer with real cards but we kept 2 metres distance but better than nothing.
Not even looking at new sets, too depressing to buy and not be able to play as it should be played, with friends and laughs. Glad I got warhammer to paint, in waiting of the first post-covid battle... :icon_cry:
My wife plays the game from time to time, mostly EDH. And see loves Vampires & Elves.
I'm not super thrilled about the switch over to 40k and Lotr.
Maybe in the near future I can ride my Tarmogoyf in a Land Raider and equip it with the One Ring...
Man, I miss MTG. Sometimes. Then I remember I'm not very good and I don't want to play against the best cards the whole time.
EDH is fun indeed. Especially if you don't go for the most competitive decks.Man, I miss MTG. Sometimes. Then I remember I'm not very good and I don't want to play against the best cards the whole time.
The best games I have are with my brother and cousin, playing casual EDH. Best format for fun, if you don't ruin it with high power cards.
Modern competitive is fun too, but takes a lot of energy. Still need to get more games with my hardened scales deck, but I've put it away after the outbreak of covid-19 and trying to stay away from MTG. Missing the old days of playing too much. But there seems to be a light in the tunnel so thinking of picking up another modern deck called Tron. Unsure as it's a bit pricey and got a car loan to pay of too.... and if vaccine fails then no point in having more decks I don't get to use.
The thing is, though, that EDH is an arms race. People will not always agree on powerlevels and that will lead to friction if you get combo'd out by the same deck for the tenth time in a row. I can personally resist it. I often refuse to play cards like Rhystic Study or Smothering Tithe because it just makes for a nightmarish game state. Let alone if everybody has one.