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Title: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 06, 2012, 01:48:48 PM
Posting pictures of cards you liked, old edition super deck combos and other nostalgia...and if you are still stupid enough to buy overpriced cards recent developments.

I start with one of my old loves the blue white (sometimes black) phasing deck based on spells and creatures that phased or induced phasing and creatures that had enter play effects.

Important elements to include shimmering effreets

(http://images.trollandtoad.com/products/pictures/88306.jpg)

Illusionists

(http://static.tappedout.net/mtg-cards/weatherlight/vodalian-illusionist_medium.jpg)

Soul Wardens

(http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MAG_M10/SoulWarden.jpg)





Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 06, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
(http://www.coolstuffinc.com/images/Products/mtg%20art/Homelands/Serra%20Aviary.jpg)

Just for finners.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
Phasing was so weird and complicated!

This was my favourite phasing creature (I used it in a blue/red counterspell/burn deck:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3535&type=card)

50% chance of it avoiding anything you try to do it it, for free! Very annoying.


I think this is my favourite magic creature though:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=184591&type=card)

Because he's awesome. He's like the ghost of Darth Vader.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 06, 2012, 02:07:00 PM
Fandir your pics aint working. Can’t wait to play you in Belgium next year. FLYYY MY PRETTTIES
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 06, 2012, 02:07:37 PM
Ishans shade...yes and he was on so many flavour texts I think I had him like 10 times.

I really liked this guy for the picture:

(http://www.dragonbreath.nl/images/Southern%20Paladin.JPG)

Hmm other than that my most favourite card must be this unglued one.

(http://www.magiclibrarities.net/rarities/duelist-green-doesnt-suck-now-dammit.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 06, 2012, 02:45:48 PM
I remember my black and blue lockdown control:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/bok/156.jpg)

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ju/48.jpg)

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ju/53.jpg)

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/us/122.jpg/[img]

and the only killing guy in the deck:

[img width=312 height=445]http://magiccards.info/scans/en/od/292.jpg)

I was very proud of that combination, as it was genuinly mine idea, not some copied winning deck everyone around was playing. I managed to win with it with local pro players - the game was really annoying for an opponent, as my combo needed many cards to work on full scale, but it started to be painfull with just few of them on the table, and with everything in play it was complete lockdown, my opponent could only sit and wait till I slowly finish him... Buahahahaha!

My most happy memory with Magic the Gardening was when I managed to sell every card I owed for a price very close to the money I spend to get them. It was really good game, but it lost a lot of it's charm on that moment, when everyone around stopped playing with just a bunch of cards and it changed to some cold war's arms race.


EDIt: strange, not all of the pictures are visible... there were also Carrion Beetles and Psychatog, Isochron Sceptre and Fire/Ice. I remember all of it after all those years :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 06, 2012, 02:49:12 PM
I really enjoy sealed deck tournaments...perhaps we should do one of those at the bash we just buy four to five  boosters and we have to make decks out of those. I guess we all have enough lands flying around.

Your idea sounds like an ice orb green deck where you mana drain the enemy but...better.

Another really mean deck I used to play was black hand and library destroy. Altar of dementia was the key artifact.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: shavixmir on July 06, 2012, 03:12:41 PM
I used to play with a graveyard deck.
I can't even remember the card's names, but basically, if I brought this floating brain onto the table (four of these in the decks), I could destroy an enemy creature.
Then I had gravediggers (4 of them, I think) and something (can't remember what) to pull more cards from my graveyard to my hand.

Never won a game I don't think, but I always had the longest turns.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 06, 2012, 03:38:12 PM
Shavixmir, that deck archetype was called reanimator in my group - all black plus the best creatures from other colours:

like:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/pd3/15.jpg)

and her:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/dvd/1.jpg)

I liked to play against it with my deck when first card I played was Carrion Beetle (cheap graveyard cleaners :))
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2012, 03:44:26 PM
I remember my black and blue lockdown control:

It sounds like a stasis deck:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=423&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=202434&type=card)

And you need something to pay for the stasis... or repeatedly return it to your hand and recast it, using something or other.



Oh, and graveyard decks hate this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247536&type=card)



Quote from: shavixmir
if I brought this floating brain onto the table

I wonder what this was!


Quote from: Fandir Nightshade
I really enjoy sealed deck tournaments...perhaps we should do one of those at the bash we just buy four to five  boosters and we have to make decks out of those. I guess we all have enough lands flying around.

Could be fun! Sealed deck is great... how much are boosters now though? I'm scared to look in case it makes me choke like a GW price rise.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: oak_prince on July 06, 2012, 03:53:01 PM
I played during 4th/Ice Age/Alliances and around 2000(there were Shadow creatures and lots of flavor text about Gerrard and other characters no one cared about).

(http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MAGEXO/hatred.jpg)
Used this in my mono-Black weenie horde. Funny how they'd introduce cards like this after banning Channel

(http://www.coolstuffinc.com/images/Products/mtg%20art/Revised/Channel.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2012, 04:02:26 PM
Used this in my mono-Black weenie horde. Funny how they'd introduce cards like this after banning Channel

I guess they thought the cost was a balancing factor (ignoring the existence of dark ritual).

Not the first time a broken card has been given a high cost to 'balance' it! Two of my favourite examples:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=10423&type=card)

'Fixed' Timetwister... no net cost... or actually generates mana if combined with high tide or Tolarian academy.


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=15193&type=card)

'Fixed' Necropotence. Draw millions of cards! Win.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 06, 2012, 05:22:04 PM
Necropotence decks were all the rage for a while when I was still playing. But it needed a combo to really make use of it.

This one just... kinda works.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 06, 2012, 07:23:28 PM
RRandom gibberish and made up words!

I'm such a noob .
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 06, 2012, 07:47:51 PM
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Necropotence_deck (http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Necropotence_deck)

And I remembered it wrong. Necropotence works fine on its own, but it became ridiculous when paired with Ivory Tower and other stuff. Other than that, it's just a huge speed advantage. Now, what was that combo deck I was thinking of? Hm. Must have been late 90's.

Found it. Pros-Bloom.
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Combo_deck#Prosperous_Bloom_.28Bloom-Drain.29 (http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Combo_deck#Prosperous_Bloom_.28Bloom-Drain.29)

Cadaverous Bloom, one of the key cards in this, also worked really well with Necropotence. Maybe that's why I got 'em mixed up.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2012, 10:07:40 PM
RRandom gibberish and made up words!

That's magic for you!



Quote from: Aldaris
Found it. Pros-Bloom.

I remember that one. It was good at the time... but nothing compared to the Urza block mana recursion decks a few years later.

Key card:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=8883&type=card)

Add zero-cost artifacts, and time spiral. Generate a million mana, then make the other player draw their entire deck with Stroke of Genius.


Urza block had this too:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12383&type=card)

Turn that ornithopter into something enormous and horrible! For three mana. I have this card but wouldn't dare use it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 06, 2012, 10:24:20 PM
Crap.

I feel the urge to buy some of the new stuff. I just remembered how cool opening a new pack of cards and getting something sweet was.

Someone punch me. I already have enough expensive hobbies! Plus a couple thousand old magic cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2012, 10:35:42 PM
Someone punch me.

I'd love to!

I also get the urge to buy magic cards sometimes, but I am not allowed to! You shouldn't either! It's way too addictive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 06, 2012, 10:38:43 PM
I know. I got over this in the nineties, dammit.

Also, propably the biggest factor is that I don't know any people who play Magic actively anymore, and I sure as hell won't go to some gamestore to have my ass handed to me by some pimply teenager. If that were different I might be seriously tempted. It is such a beautiful game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2012, 10:45:38 PM
and I sure as hell won't go to some gamestore to have my ass handed to me by some pimply teenager.

That happened to me... he was called Finlay!  ::heretic::


You can play (using your old cards) at the next eurobash. In the meantime, try not to think about it too much.  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 06, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
In the meantime, try not to think about it too much.  :happy:

This thread isn't helping.

Also, did you really use a smiley? Have you actually done that ever before?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2012, 11:02:05 PM
Also, did you really use a smiley? Have you actually done that ever before?

I'm afraid I did. I was clean for a long time, but I've started using them again. Oh well - at least I can stay off magic cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 06, 2012, 11:07:51 PM
I was clean for a long time, but I've started using them again.

Oh, good. For a moment I was worried that someone might have stolen your account or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2012, 11:22:50 PM
If it's disturbing you I can be more grumpy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 07, 2012, 12:31:57 AM
Back in the day, I was all about U/W control: Wrath of God (my favorite card), counterspells, Swords to Plowshares, and random flier to finally kill the other guy (or a Millstone, if we go back far enough lol).

But sometime around age 24, I did an absolute 180, and now I hate control with a passion.  Without exception, I play aggressive decks, usually white and/or red. 

White's my favorite color, so maybe I've just changed styles as white's portion of the color pie has changed.  It's also personal taste, though.  Control decks just seem sadistic.

But not as sadistic as combo decks.  I've literally gotten up and left the table while my combo opponent goes off...if you wanna sit there and play solitaire, I'll make better use of my time than sitting there and watching you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: patsy02 on July 07, 2012, 01:47:06 AM
I tried Magic for the first time in my life a few days ago. It was difficult and scary. My opponents used some sort fucked up tree elf combo shit that took 26 hp in one go.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 07, 2012, 02:01:41 AM
I tried Magic for the first time in my life a few days ago. It was difficult and scary. My opponents used some sort fucked up of tree elf combo shit that took 26 hp in one go.

See, that's why I hate combo decks...they're very un-interactive and to me aren't really what the game is about -- turning doods sideways. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 07, 2012, 07:04:25 AM
I tried Magic for the first time in my life a few days ago. It was difficult and scary. My opponents used some sort fucked up of tree elf combo shit that took 26 hp in one go.

Magic is an excellent, excellent game. As long as you play in the right environment.

For example, buying cards directly was frowned upon in my circle of friends when we played. We didn't have a house rule or anything, it was just considered lame. So no one ever had a netlist deck, because no one ever had 4 copies of some ultrarare. We bought, we played, we traded among each other. That was great fun. Propably wouldn't have been if one or two guys had always bought the components of this months hot deck he read about in InQuest.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: oak_prince on July 07, 2012, 07:37:11 AM
Inquest was a dreadful magazine. I was a Shadis man back in the day.  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: patsy02 on July 07, 2012, 10:13:31 AM
I tried Magic for the first time in my life a few days ago. It was difficult and scary. My opponents used some sort fucked up of tree elf combo shit that took 26 hp in one go.

See, that's why I hate combo decks...they're very un-interactive and to me aren't really what the game is about -- turning doods sideways.
What do you play with if not a combo deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 07, 2012, 11:44:21 AM
All magic decks use combinations. But it isn't necessary to use a deck that wins in one turn by some sort of tedious recursion technique while the other player sits there doing nothing.

Magic is more fun if both players get to do stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 07, 2012, 11:50:48 AM
Ah, easy to get terms confused. Every deck worth its salt has what you might call combos, but usually that means just interacting cards with some kind of synergy. That's a basic tenet of the game. A combo deck however takes this a step further. It relies on several, usually complex and not immediately obvious interactions to shut down the opponent and win the game, ideally all in one go so the opponent has little chance to react. Those combos usually involve several cards to work, but when you do get it to work it often means game over straight up.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 07, 2012, 11:58:33 AM
Those sort of decks are why force of will costs a fortune to buy:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=159092&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 07, 2012, 02:11:36 PM
All magic decks use combinations. But it isn't necessary to use a deck that wins in one turn by some sort of tedious recursion technique while the other player sits there doing nothing.

Magic is more fun if both players get to do stuff.

Says Mr 'redirect all damage to a card I can't hurt'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 07, 2012, 02:14:25 PM
Shove it, bird-man.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 07, 2012, 03:14:43 PM
Isnīt there a blue or green spell that deals X damage to all fliers?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 07, 2012, 03:18:07 PM
Hurricane!

I even had it in my green/white wombat deck, but failed to draw it vs the birds of doom.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 07, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/legends/chainsofmephistopheles.full.jpg)

(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/revised/wheeloffortune.full.jpg)

(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/revised/therack.full.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 07, 2012, 04:18:28 PM
W hat type of deck is mine, does it have a special name?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 07, 2012, 04:21:26 PM
Bird deck!

Other than that, not really I think. It's a creature deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: patsy02 on July 07, 2012, 07:18:58 PM
Quote
A combo deck however takes this a step further. It relies on several, usually complex and not immediately obvious interactions to shut down the opponent and win the game, ideally all in one go so the opponent has little chance to react. Those combos usually involve several cards to work, but when you do get it to work it often means game over straight up.
That sounds like what good players do. Or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 07, 2012, 09:52:14 PM
Define good players.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: patsy02 on July 07, 2012, 10:32:46 PM
Players who know the game well and beat their opponents.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 07, 2012, 10:35:08 PM
It's a complicated game with a lot of different cards. There are many ways to win.

So no, you don't have to win by using a single-turn combination. It might not even be a good plan. It depends!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 08, 2012, 08:22:24 AM
When I was still playing I read a series of articles written by some world top player, and it wasn't about deck construction as many other tutorials on the web, but about using best whatever cards You get - he explained tactics using mostly common cards and concentrated on topics like when it's worth to attack or sacrifice a creature etc. Sounds like tutorials for starting people, but it was really good and full of insight. Can't remember the name but it was in Kamigawa's days, probably on Wizards of the Coast site.

So good player is the one that can utilise his cards to the max, even if they're crap. That's why I think Sealed deck format shows real skill (apart from that big portion of luck).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: patsy02 on July 08, 2012, 08:56:02 AM
So combo decks are more like double steam tank four cannon cheese?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 08, 2012, 09:01:57 AM
I don't think there is any cheese in MtG - there is no fluff play in card games, You just play to win. Combo decks also needs skill to work, You need to invent the combo, build the deck, etc. I have never seen anyone playing those decks that can win on turn 1 or 2, that kind of power decks were usually unimaginably expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2012, 09:07:35 AM
So combo decks are more like double steam tank four cannon cheese?

No, because you can still get smacked down by a creature rush deck before you get the right cards together.



Quote from: Stolzeuhu
there is no fluff play in card games

I don't agree with that: theme decks! You might intentionally use weaker cards because they fit your theme better.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 08, 2012, 09:13:18 AM
Never met anyone playing with that. Even guy using Dragon deck build it more around some kind of synergy (I don't remember how exactly it worked), but I never played against anyone choosing a worse card just because some meta play reasons.

And that actually explains a lot about wfb style of play in my area, when some of the magic guys started playing warhammer...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 08, 2012, 09:16:07 AM
I played a sky knight deck with all sky knight cards I could get my hands on......and some white knight deck even with the bad knights.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2012, 09:28:02 AM
I never played against anyone choosing a worse card just because some meta play reasons.

That's really surprising!

People also use worse cards because they like the art on the card, or the fluff text, or even just the name.

Like I use rabid wombat in my green/white enchantment-exploiting creature deck, even though it actually sucks compared to some of the other creatures I could use.

But it's a rabid wombat!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4002&type=card)




Quote from: Fandir Nightshade
I played a sky knight deck with all sky knight cards I could get my hands on

Ha, aren't they all really small fliers with banding? Not very good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 08, 2012, 09:36:03 AM
Yes they suck but I liked the pictures.

Knights with flanking also were good....during mirage but there are so many better cards around now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 08, 2012, 10:00:27 AM
Yes they suck but I liked the pictures.

Knights with flanking also were good....during mirage but there are so many better cards around now.

I really liked white weenie decks. Enchantments like Castle and Parapet were really nice when you combined them with banding (your 1/1 buggers are suddenly 1/4 and you could split incoming damage). Mesa Pegasus fit really well in there, combined with Serra Aviary and Sacred Mesa to crap oodles of angry flying horses. Ahhh.

Incidentally, I got MtG: Duel of the Planeswalkers 2013 on Steam yesterday. Only about 10 Euros. Granted, you only get preconstructed Decks you can expand and modify with cards you unlock, but it has multiplayer support and seems a nice way to play a bit without investing any significant amount of money.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 08, 2012, 07:48:08 PM
Quote
A combo deck however takes this a step further. It relies on several, usually complex and not immediately obvious interactions to shut down the opponent and win the game, ideally all in one go so the opponent has little chance to react. Those combos usually involve several cards to work, but when you do get it to work it often means game over straight up.
That sounds like what good players do. Or am I wrong?

It depends on how you look at it. 

This is my beef with combo decks (and I mean "decks that's sole ability to win lies in assembling a combination of 2-4 cards that win the game in a single turn"): To me, Magic is about the combat phase, whether you're a super aggresive deck with 20+ creatures or a control deck with 4 or even 0.  Even that control deck has to deal with the combat phase to stop themselves from dying.  Doing so required interaction and lets both players participate in the game.  The combo deck, however, largely ignores the other player.  In certain matchups, an aggro creature deck may have literally no way to stop the combo player, other than killing him before he can assemble it.  In that case, they're essentially playing two games of solitaire Magic, with their only interaction being who can hit their victory condition first.  Such games can be fun, tense, etc...but often they're not.  When the other guy does nothing his first three turns, and then his fourth turn lasts twenty minutes and then you just lose, I don't find that fun.

I know others disagree, but that's my take on it.  It's why my sideboards are usually chock full of combo hate.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2012, 10:25:46 PM
It's why my sideboards are usually chock full of combo hate.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2022&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 08, 2012, 11:34:08 PM
You know I just reinstalled that programme that lets you play magic online, for free.

It is really not that bad to install.

If anyone is interested I could run you through it. We actually could do sealed mini tournies if say 4 or so of us get in there. It's pretty user friendly, has every set you could play and is totally free!

I don't have much going on after work tomorrow if any of you want to try it. That is like 12ish here, 5pm English time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 08, 2012, 11:50:30 PM
It's why my sideboards are usually chock full of combo hate.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2022&type=card)

Abeyance is my personal favorite.  It reads "unless your combo goes off at instant speed and doesn't need to wait for any of the spells on the stack to resolve, just stop it right there."  Guilded Light is also deceptively powerful: "Oh, that was cute.  In response to your kill, Guilded Light.  Darn, all that for nothin?  So sad."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 09, 2012, 03:31:42 AM
Siberius that sounds great.....where is the catch?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 09, 2012, 06:31:52 AM
It's why my sideboards are usually chock full of combo hate.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2022&type=card)

Abeyance is my personal favorite.  It reads "unless your combo goes off at instant speed and doesn't need to wait for any of the spells on the stack to resolve, just stop it right there."  Guilded Light is also deceptively powerful: "Oh, that was cute.  In response to your kill, Guilded Light.  Darn, all that for nothin?  So sad."

Many combo decks rely on sorcery or enchantment cards as a finnisher an/or combo piece. This fact can be exploited. When I played MTG online I had a "Scepter Chant" deck, althou it has a "soft lock" built into it, it's really a control deck. I faced alot of combo decks with it and they were by far my easiest matchup due to me maindecking:

(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/mirrodin/isochronscepter.full.jpg)

+

(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/planeshift/orimschant.full.jpg)

and 4 copies of:

(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/planeshift/meddlingmage.full.jpg)

Backed up by the usual set counterspells of course.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 09, 2012, 07:24:02 AM
Siberius that sounds great.....where is the catch?

I'm with Fandir here.

Sounds great. Is the interface okay? Are cards depicted? Do I need a doctorate to get it to work?

Anyway, I AM interested.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 07:39:41 AM
Siberius that sounds great.....where is the catch?

I'm with Fandir here.

Sounds great. Is the interface okay? Are cards depicted? Do I need a doctorate to get it to work?

Anyway, I AM interested.


Hehe, I understand the concerns. Let me try and outline all the catches I can:

It will take about 5 or 10 minutes to install the game. Maybe another 20 mins to install the card images.

In order to fit all the cards inscreen they tend to be slightly to small to make out the text, but that is easily solvable by hovering the mouse over the card you want to read.

The game has a 'money' system to buy new cards. This is akin to monopoly money in that it is game money, not real money. Plus you don't have to buy cards. You can proxy, especially if you play amongst ourselves. If you play regulars they will expect you to use all bought cards. You win money each time you play so if you get really into it and feel lile taking on thrm, you can gradually buy the cards but it totally isn't essential.


That's all the catches I can think of off the top of my head. Except that it takes a minute to exit games. But that's really not too bad. Just imagine you are gathering and shuffling your deck ;)

The game mechanics work really well. They have a way to make pretty much any obscur rule work up to and including the recent double sided flip cards.

I will post a couple of screenshots when I get home and as I said, will be happy to take anyone on here through the loading and playing process. After a couple of games you can get to grips real easy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 09, 2012, 08:55:39 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 09, 2012, 08:56:57 AM
Count me in if this is how it is going!

My blue and white decks will kick your arse....(maybe some black and blue too....blue just is the best of all colours).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2012, 08:59:53 AM
Do I need a doctorate to get it to work?

I have one! I don't think it helps.


I still have this thing installed I think - I got it to work, but I was scared to play someone I didn't know because I wasn't sure how the controls worked.

I would like to play someone friendly and tolerant!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 09, 2012, 09:34:35 AM
I have one!

Not in Magicology, as far as I know.
Although it IS a possibility since you chose to remain mysterious concerning your work at the 2011 Bash.
 :happy:

I would like to play someone friendly and tolerant!

And you're considering US?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 11:03:49 AM
Do I need a doctorate to get it to work?

I have one! I don't think it helps.


I still have this thing installed I think - I got it to work, but I was scared to play someone I didn't know because I wasn't sure how the controls worked.

I would like to play someone friendly and tolerant!

Fear not. If you can get on this afternoon I can show you those controls and it gets a lot easier once you get used to them. Some of the chaps in there are friendly and tolerant. Others... Not so much. I mostly play my brother right now as we are.not up to date with the latest sets.

Anyone who wants to load it up and play, maybe pm me your windows messenger address if you can be online for a while at around 5ish UK time and I will come on and guide you through the process. If I get home earlier than that I will put the loading instructions in this thread so you can be installing it beforehand. As I said that takes maybe half hour total as you defo want to load all the card pictures.

I must admit it would be nice to have some more friendly faces to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 09, 2012, 11:09:59 AM
I will be at home at around six o clock but will be feeding the local monsters and bring them to bed with some Harry Potter I donīt have life messenger but it would be nice if you just copy the stuff in a pm directed at me here at warhammer-empire.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 09, 2012, 11:28:39 AM
I won't be home until about 7 or 8, so that could be problematic.

But if you have a link and instructions perhaps I'll be able to do it myself? Dunno.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2012, 12:10:18 PM
If you can get on this afternoon I can show you those controls and it gets a lot easier once you get used to them.

Thanks!

I don't think I can do it today though. Another time, maybe?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
That works. As it turns out today just got more tricky for me too so another time works well.

What I will do is post up some hopefully easy instructions and links for installing the program. That way when we meet to go through it everyone can be ready to go straight away.  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 09, 2012, 01:39:53 PM
You know I just reinstalled that programme that lets you play magic online, for free.

Magic Workstation?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2012, 02:11:20 PM
That works. As it turns out today just got more tricky for me too so another time works well.

What I will do is post up some hopefully easy instructions and links for installing the program. That way when we meet to go through it everyone can be ready to go straight away.  :happy:


That sounds great. Thanks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 02:21:12 PM
I guess I should try this too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 09, 2012, 03:39:43 PM
Sounds like good idea... but what is the name of the software? It would be easier to start for me  :icon_wink:
On what license does it work, is it free?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 06:05:50 PM
Ok here is the info on the program:

Go here -

http://gccg.sourceforge.net/ (http://gccg.sourceforge.net/)

Hopefully you can just follow the instructions from there. (Obviously you want MTG, they have other card games on there too but I haven't even tried that!) If you are wondering which files it wants you to run when you open up the folder on your computer, let me help:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/MTGInstallPic.jpg)
First run the top one, that'll load on the program (on my computer takes maybe 5 mins)
Then the second, that will load all the card images making it waaay easier to play! (on my computer takes maybe 20 mins)


That should pretty much be it. There is a very helpful F.A.Q on the site which can answer a lot of questions, but in terms of creating decks and playing games easily, I will be more than happy to show you when we can get on there.

I forget how you create your player name. I assume first time you load it up it will guide you through doing that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 09, 2012, 06:15:31 PM
I am really curious right now!

 :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 06:29:20 PM
How bout some screen shots to tempt you further  :wink:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/MTGMainScreen.jpg)
When you load the game up each time you start here. This is where you create and edit decks, find opponents and head for a table.
Note that there are 1, 2, 3 and 4 player tables.


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/MTGTable.jpg)
This is da table itself! Note it looks a little empty as I just entered a 1 player game to show you. Yes you can do one player games to hone your deck and see how it plays out.

It's really clear where everything is and what it is. Tapping is just a middle click. Untapping your whole board is an easy short cut which you will learn early. Counters can be added easy, tokens can be selected of all kinds. When you right click, a menu pops up offering options of what you want to do and is usually pretty easy to follow.

The cards, as I mentioned, appear slightly too small to read the detail text on my computer but hover over and hold shift to blow it up. Nice and easy.

Tempting yet?  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 09, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
...yes??!...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 06:36:59 PM
Ok one more just to show how easy deckbuilding is.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/MTGDeckBuilding.jpg)

So my last sealed deck is there on the right, easy to edit in and out cards with clickies. The entire collection of MTG cards is on the left there. You can filter them if you have certain needs. For example when in sealed mode, you can filter everything out except what you opened. I think you can also do by set or colour etc.

And a nifty little 'deck stats' box there at the bottom so you can get a feel of how balanced your deck is. I don't often use it unless it feels like my deck never comes out right, but very helpful if you want to tune it.

I think you can make as many decks as you like. I have about 50 already but am thinking to delete them all and start again as they are out of date and I named them badly so I can never remember what any of them are. A fresh start sounds nice anyways.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 09, 2012, 06:43:27 PM
Ok...got it installed ....what now Master

*licking the boots.....just a little*
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 06:49:46 PM
Oh I never got round to mentioning my favourite cards. I liked to experiment somewhat with odd cards that could be real nifty if you made them work. Eg:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=195632&type=card)
I played Green/Black for this to make sure I had the mana to hit that kicker. Remove 15 cards? That is rather devastating to most decks  :biggriin:


(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/roe/125.jpg)
This was really fun, I think I played red/black for it. Basically let your enemy strike you to within an inch of your life. Then pop this down and lightning bolt him  :Ohmy:.


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=193467&type=card)
Talking of risky ploys, this deck was really fun to play. I think I went white/red/green. The whole game was about walling his attacks and getting out little red creatures that did tap/target player loses one life etc until you were able to play this. Then you either let the right combo of his attacks hit you so you lost the amount of life needed or pinged yourself.


Ok, so they are kinda mean ploys, but quite satisfying against people that always get you on the ropes and whoop you.  :-P


Also, Finlay, have you seen this card?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=193458&type=card)

I am guessing so, but if not, how nifty would some of these in your flyer deck be eh?  :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 06:53:43 PM
Ok Fandir wins the got in there fastest award.  :happy:

We must set up a time soon when most of those who are interested can get on there and we have a little time and we can go through things and maybe try a couple of games so that you all get the vibe going  :biggriin:.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 09, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
I don't know if I have the energy for it tonight to be honest. I do want to play this though.

Suggestion: if it isn't too much of a hassle you could do the instructions in this thread, then other interested players could follow these later on?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 07:09:41 PM
Holy crap siby, that card looks immense for my deck!

I already have loads of stuff I want to add though, but I dont wnt to drop too many creatures for it.

I'm installing it now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 09, 2012, 07:27:52 PM
That's the tricky part of Deck building. Keeping it down at or at least close to 60 cards
 :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 09, 2012, 07:29:05 PM
Ok... I installed everything, loaded the cards, etc... but I can't set user name - everytime it writes back that i need to have 2-10 characters, letters and numbers... what am I doing wrong? cant believe that all variations of stolzeuh77 are already taken...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 08:09:44 PM
Same problem for me too
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 08:13:17 PM
Sorry fella,s didn't realise more of you were going to be hopping on today. I had to go eat dinner and walk the dogs etc.

I have no idea why your names aren't working  :dry:.

As Fandir got on ok, I can't believe it is too complicated so something must just be messed up either with your names or how you are entering them or (hoefully not) with your compatability with the game...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 09, 2012, 08:14:41 PM
Siberius, I think It may be something about connection (how else could it check available usernames if it's not connected). I'll try to turn off firewall or something else.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 08:19:47 PM
I have added my MSN messenger address to my profile so now you should be able to get on there and message me if you want help learning stuff.

I am getting on it now.

Now I am not all that technical minded so I don't know how much help I can be with problems of signing your name in and stuff but to help out with how it works once in, no problemo!


---

EDIT

Well I will be on once it does a silly update thing...  :roll:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 08:29:39 PM
it says "server closed connection
ABNORMAL EXIT"

when I try to reconnect
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 08:29:52 PM
Uh, it is taking fooorevvver to to the update to WLMessenger.

I have noticed that with each new update it gets worse too. I wish I had the one that was running 5 years ago.  :-P

Holy crap siby, that card looks immense for my deck!

I already have loads of stuff I want to add though, but I dont wnt to drop too many creatures for it.

I'm installing it now.

Ai, it's always a tough call. I guess if you can get onto this thing you can tinker with that deck to your heart's delight! I look forward to playing against it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 08:32:38 PM
Did you get your name sorted? I am trying to ask the guys in there what might be happening to you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 09, 2012, 08:39:50 PM
How do the sealed deck games work? Do we get random cards? As I would like that....otherwise I am tempted to get three black lotusssssses.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 08:44:04 PM
Well, Sealed mode works like so.

You actually have to enter sealed mode with the amount of money you need to buy your six boosters. Those boosters are indeed random just like a real one.

When in sealed mode your name turns to say Fandir-sealed.

When you exit, you exit with your winnings and the new cards which are integrated into your collection.

It's pretty cool. I am hoping once we get a few of us on there and actually working, we could do maybe a 4 player sealed or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 09, 2012, 08:45:52 PM
And I use paypal to get the monopoly money? Or do I get the money by playing the game?


I really like sealed deck tournaments so I wouldnīt mind paying a couple of dollars once a year (well those only boosters hopefully wonīt cost 8 $ each).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 08:49:32 PM
No real money involved. You get more money the more you play. Winning gets you like $10, losing gets you $2ish.

Of course you can make decks with the cards before that, but they will only be proxies. No real difference except it's nice to have them  :-P. It is kinda fun collecting them all even if it is only all fake collecting.

Oh another way to get more money is completing a set. You get a reasonably hefty sum for that.


Fandir seeing as you just recently got in, any words of wisdom for the others who are trying but having no luck? It is a couple of years since I had to do it so I have completely forgotten how it was.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 09, 2012, 08:51:16 PM
Ok, so it's some kind of connection problem - when I type /reconnect command I also get: "Server closed connection ABNORMAL EXIT!" response.

But it seems that it has nothing to do with firewall, couldn't find gccg on list of exceptions to let it go through firewall, but when I turned it off it didn't help.

Every info on server problems i find in the net with gccg is about hosting a table... I will keep on googling
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 08:53:11 PM
Thanks Stol, sounds like whatever your problem is, Finlay has the same and maybe other will, I don't know.

I'm useless with this stuff so I hope you work it out!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 09:12:20 PM
I'm sad, letting me tinker my deck idea is why I want to play this!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 09:12:39 PM
Hey guys that are having the name problem. They have a mini forum on there in which someone sounds like they were having the same problem as you. This is the advice they got. I dunno if it is something that would help you, but who knows...

Quote
You can use any combination of letters and numbers, that contains between 2 and 10 digits. Maybe you're trying a username that's too long, or including spaces or special characters (@, #, etc.) ? Also, you don't include the < > around the username you want. For example, you could use something like:    testname1    (9 characters, all letters and/or numbers)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 09:38:07 PM
I was including the <>'s! silly me
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 09:39:48 PM
Well I am off for the evening.

Let us know when you get succesfully on there and what your names are, if different from here.

Mine is Vaskel, in case you couldn't tell from the screenshots  :wink:

I will likely head back on in the morning to see what's what too. Having just deleted all my decks I need to start building some new ones...


I was including the <>'s! silly me

Hurray, you made it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 09:44:48 PM
awesome. time to build a deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 09:45:39 PM
Some quick instructions for deck building if you get in there and fancy making stuff. "Weee!" is where you put whatever it is you actually want to call stuff  :-P

Type this:

/newdeck Weee!

That should set the name of your deck and pop up a blank sheet.

Right click in the room and select 'show collection'

Middle click on the cards you want in order to put them into the deck. Each click adds more of them.
Left click to remove from your deck.


It's pretty much that easy.

Take a look at that right click menu close, all the options. Most stuff you might want to do are likely in that menu.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 09, 2012, 09:47:16 PM
Siberius, Finlay - thanks, Stolzeuhu is registered :)

I was typin <>'s all the time too... though I was sure that I tried all combinations with/without spaces etc.  :eusa_wall:


I'll try it out tomorrow
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2012, 10:10:52 PM
Yes you can do one player games to hone your deck and see how it plays out.

Or to check you can work the controls so you don't look stupid when playing a real person! That's good news.

I'll test this out tomorrow maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 10:24:19 PM
I'm playing a 1 player game. I can't do it! noobtacular.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2012, 10:26:49 PM
Uh oh, is it difficult?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2012, 10:37:07 PM
You'll be fine with a few games ;)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 09, 2012, 10:39:36 PM
It's why my sideboards are usually chock full of combo hate.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2022&type=card)

Abeyance is my personal favorite.  It reads "unless your combo goes off at instant speed and doesn't need to wait for any of the spells on the stack to resolve, just stop it right there."  Guilded Light is also deceptively powerful: "Oh, that was cute.  In response to your kill, Guilded Light.  Darn, all that for nothin?  So sad."

Many combo decks rely on sorcery or enchantment cards as a finnisher an/or combo piece. This fact can be exploited. When I played MTG online I had a "Scepter Chant" deck, althou it has a "soft lock" built into it, it's really a control deck. I faced alot of combo decks with it and they were by far my easiest matchup due to me maindecking:

(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/mirrodin/isochronscepter.full.jpg)

+

(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/planeshift/orimschant.full.jpg)

and 4 copies of:

(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/planeshift/meddlingmage.full.jpg)

Backed up by the usual set counterspells of course.

Love the Scepter-Chant lock.  In fact, Isochron Scepter is one of my favorite cards; powerful, but not broken.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 10:45:53 PM
Uh oh, is it difficult?

Well, I dont think you actually play a computer, just fiddle around with controls.

And it lets you do stuff against the rules, like draw too many cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2012, 11:01:05 PM
I guess it expects you to know the rules and stick to them!

I think I'm too tired to have a go on it tonight. I don't feel smart enough.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 11:02:56 PM
I think it seems overly succeptible to people cheatingly destroying noobs. but there you go.

Tomorrow, a game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2012, 11:09:32 PM
For sure!

I'm going to recreate the squid deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 09, 2012, 11:39:38 PM
What program are you guys using?  I find it odd that no one's named the program yet.  I used to play on Magic Workstation and Apprentice back in the day.  Both worked pretty well for what they are.

I think it seems overly succeptible to people cheatingly destroying noobs. but there you go.

Both the programs that I have at least have an action log that logs every click they make, so you can at least see if they cheat.  But you do have to pay attention and there are always a few douches who will insist that they didn't cheat, even when you point to the log.   :roll:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2012, 11:44:41 PM
I think it's called generic collectible card game

This has an action log too
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 10, 2012, 01:26:33 AM
Working on a deck....

found Eldrazis...

(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID41950/images/roe_emrakul.png)
 :icon_eek:

I need to build blue cthulhu deck with it.

also, it's much more convienient to search for cards in gccg/graphics folder. So many possibilities...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 10, 2012, 02:04:28 AM
Or this nice combo:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=198356&type=card)

+

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=46172&type=card)

on some first strike creature
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 10, 2012, 07:18:05 AM
Lure did that as well (make you block with everything), there was a nice green deck that used Basilisks and similar stuff plus Lure. very nice. Besides, I like the Phil Foglio illustration.

(http://www.menschen-und-magic.de/images/cards/ia/lure.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 08:47:33 AM
I don't like this concept of equipment artifacts. They are weird!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 10, 2012, 09:01:24 AM
I quite like it actually. It's more durable than a creature enchantment (since it will simply revert back into normal artifact mode when the creature that has it equipped dies), but it's also easier to get rid of for some colors. Red and Black for example have almost no way to deal with enchantments, but they have ways to destroy artifacts.

Plus, it can be incredibly useful. In Duels of the Planeswalkers many of the featured decks have one of those, and there are really cool ones like one that eliminates summoning sickness that has an equip cost of 0. Cast creature, bounce artifact to it, go to town.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 09:05:53 AM
I can see they are useful... I just think they're weird. Probably because I don't have any of them.

Also, artifacts are brown!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 09:29:54 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=177545&type=card)

worth it for my deck? can I have 4 of these?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 09:36:11 AM
Well, it's not a bird... and if you just want the blue and white mana, I'd pick something else. It's pretty expensive to keep activating that thing.

You can have four of any card other than a basic land (you can have as many as you want of those).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 09:55:04 AM
I like the blue or white flexibility, so it would primarily be used for that. and it adds some punch if needed in a crisis, or to finish someone off- I was thinking I could then drop a creature or two to fit in some of the spells and stuff I wanted.
 It’s hard to find good non basic lands for my deck.

I thought you were only allowed one if it was legendary, or is it only one in play?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 10, 2012, 10:11:41 AM
Would anyone mind if I use four dual lands?

(http://www.mtgmerchant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/revised1.jpg)

I actually had four of those but I always feel dirty when I use old cards.

Like the Juzam Djinn (had him twice)

(http://ark42.com/mtg/cards/Arabian%20Nights/Juzam%20Djinn.full.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 10, 2012, 10:15:16 AM
Well, it's not a bird... and if you just want the blue and white mana, I'd pick something else.

Are dual lands back then? When I was playing dual lands with no significant drawbacks had been gone for some time, and entering play tapped seems quite reasonable as drawbacks go.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 10:20:46 AM
I get a bit confused by what is banned or legal or whatever.

dual lands are banned?


Juzam Djinn looks nasty. cheap, powerful!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 10, 2012, 10:30:17 AM
dual lands are banned?

Not as far as I know. They had been ouf of print for a while when I was playing is all, at least the straight up "land with 2 colors and no drawback".
The banned/restricted/errata list that has accumulated over the years puts many a phonebook to shame. Still, banned and restricted lists are mostly interesting for tournament players, and the errata and faqs mostly clear up interactions between cards that are not immediately clear (there are many thousands, so that's understandable) or updates old and outdated rules texts on older cards. If you play in tournaments a lot, or play professionally you are well advised to keep up with that crap, but for casual play you can do fine without them usually.

Juzam Djinn looks nasty. cheap, powerful!

It is! One of the most cost effective creatures of all time. And has a cool illustration to boot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 10:34:40 AM
tundras are well expensive on ebay!

glacial fortress and those collonadey ones as substitutes I reckon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 10, 2012, 10:35:17 AM
Well I would say I build the decks with cards I know and had and if someone of you thinks they are op just tell me and I try to exchange them...how about this?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 10, 2012, 10:36:11 AM
As far as I know, all the dual lands that come out these days have some drawback, usually entering play tapped.

There was a nifty artifact in zendikar I think that brought them all in untapped.

For a while there with those 'man'lands people were able to just plat land decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 10:43:42 AM
The original duel lands have no drawback, so I think they are unfair. Only use them if everyone else does!

But there are still better multi-lands than that elemental one. Weren't there some ones you could pay 2 life to make enter play untapped?


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Juzam Djinn looks nasty. cheap, powerful!

It's actually obsolete now. Creatures became much more powerful later, and there are a number of significantly better ones.



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I thought you were only allowed one if it was legendary, or is it only one in play?

One in play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 10, 2012, 10:51:20 AM
I personally think some of the newer cards are extremely powerful the nifty combination of ....0 cost artifact tinkering ^15/15 indestructible trample.........oh well.


Lets find our balance and I really would like some sealed deck fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 10, 2012, 11:08:22 AM
Emrakul was rediculous.

In a deck with Polymorth, which allows you to reveal cards until you hit a creature and then play it for free, it was stupid. I hated playing that deck. It basically had no other creatures and once he is out, game over.  :mellow:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 10, 2012, 11:12:08 AM
Hmmm sadistic glee could work...I think. I mean the black spell one black one coulerless player has to sacrifice a creature.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 12:31:49 PM
I'm thinking 2 each of hallowed fountain, glacial fortress and mystic gate.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 10, 2012, 02:33:40 PM
Don't know if any of you are free but I think I have time for a sealed game if you are...

(That means buying your 6 packs, creating the deck and playing a best of 3 ideally)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 03:41:04 PM
I can't play right now... but I've just started the program to see if it works, and it does! I have a name and a deck already! I'm called... rufus.

My deck looks like it was legal in standard when I made it. But I need to download more card sets.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 03:43:24 PM
Sorry Siberius! Saw your message, but I don't know how to talk to people... then I quit.   :blush:


I think (I hope) I'm installing the missing cards now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 10, 2012, 04:30:12 PM
No worries! I came in here and saw what you were up to.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 10, 2012, 05:08:56 PM
Just a quick question... how does the economic system work in gccg? I see that You can buy cards but there is no money for the start... so how new player can earn some? Is there a money for playing with proxy cards?

Maybe tomorrow I'll try to build a deck and start playing...

emrakul with polymorph is wrong way to play. Cthulhu cards should be played only with these:

(http://flamberg.com.pl/images/Cards/PVC/Dark_Ritual_209137.jpg)

I'a! I'a! Emrakul! Fhtagn!




Edit: Mana burn is no more!  :icon_eek: what is happening to this world...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 05:29:50 PM
You can use proxys , collecting the cards is just an extra.

I'm basically online now and up for some games.

Remember I've only played a few games in real life so it will require double patience- figuring out the programme, and figuring out the rules!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 10, 2012, 06:12:02 PM
Made a deck...more a fun deck with cards I know and like than any great synergies black and blue.....how do I start a single player?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 06:13:49 PM
Made a deck...more a fun deck with cards I know and like than any great synergies black and blue.....how do I start a single player?
middle click on a one player table.

Do you want to try a two player game?


Me and fandir played for a few rounds, a romanian helped s quite a lot. It's fun!

He binding grasped my welkin tern. sneaky.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 10, 2012, 07:02:31 PM
Ai there are definitely some nice and helpful people in there.

There are also a few who will smash you to pieces every time you play them...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
well, he just absolutely killed me in one game!

and now he is playing again with urza land stuff for super mana generation

eldrazi! all is dust. i lose. this is not fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 10, 2012, 08:04:26 PM
My deck was fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 10, 2012, 08:06:52 PM
The guys who still seem to be about who I remember playing hardball were:

Pyknite, Sertaki, mr_pwnage, sexy something.


Creating a deck that could beat them was quite an acheivement.

This is why I am glad to have you guys coming in hopefully, give me some less intense, more fun games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 10, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
I plan on making some fun relaxed decks like the one I have right now....and evil domination decks to annoy Aldaris.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 10:10:34 PM
It's stopped working! Now it won't load, and says this:

I/O exception at CheckFont(int,int): Unable to load font './graphics/fonts/free/sfd/FreeMonoBold.ttf'

But it worked earlier today!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 10, 2012, 10:12:58 PM
So it's missing a font. Just download again and replace that file in that folder, or have Finlay or Siberius mail it to you. If the error message is telling you the truth that ought to work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 10:16:03 PM
annoying! I'm ready to play!

I emailed that file to your hotmail
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 10:33:33 PM
Thanks... but now it wants FreeMono.ttf as well!

Can you send me all the fonts in that folder?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 10, 2012, 10:37:40 PM
done!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 10:40:24 PM
Thanks!

Installing now...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 10:49:53 PM
Now I just get an empty black window. But it worked earlier!   :eusa_wall:

I'm going to reinstall the whole thing. I don't think I can play tonight after all. Sorry!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 10, 2012, 11:07:39 PM
I reinstalled and it works! I'm in!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 12:54:22 AM
It worked, but I lost my squid deck and had to use a rubbish precon! Also I have no card images.

I need to sort that out.

It was fun though! Thanks Finlay and Noibn!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 11, 2012, 01:33:00 AM
It worked, but I lost my squid deck and had to use a rubbish precon! Also I have no card images.

I need to sort that out.

It was fun though! Thanks Finlay and Noibn!

Cheers mate!

Just run the "Install MTG Cards".bat file and you will get the cardimages. I made a new deck, a friendlier more fun deck this time. Feel free to challange me to a rematch when you've built your own.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 09:43:52 AM
how does this guys abilities work?

-6 what?

(http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/cards/22763.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 11, 2012, 09:46:49 AM
No idea. Those do appear in Duels of the Planeswalkers as well, but I have absolutely no clue how to use this.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 09:47:06 AM
Oh, that's a planeswalker. I don't like them!

Look in the magic rulebook on the wizards of the coast website to find out how to use them. They have a loyalty value or something, and their abilities raise or lower it (3 for this guy).

I think they were a bad idea.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 09:49:56 AM
I was almost pecked to death yesterday......but Finlay didnīt get me alive!
 :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 09:53:52 AM
I was pecked to death... but I'm going to make my own deck! I will have revenge.


Why planeswalkers suck:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=195297&type=card)

Brooooooooken.

This guy cost like 40 quid before they banned him in the face.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
I kind of liked those weatherlight story line cards....I donīt know what they were called you gained/lost starting life and hand size and gained some effect for example Orim +12 life and all your creatures counted as flying, Mirri gave all your lands the option to produce any kind of mana but you had - 8 starting life or something.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 10:00:59 AM
I remember those! They were OK.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
“ha ha! Here is my cunning plan to kill all your birds! Oh wait, it killed me and you had a talon trooper to peck me anyway. Hmm.”

Ok, I’ll ignore them then!


If we are talking about banning, are we going to agree to play a format? My deck is legal vintage, but illegal legacy- not sure why!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 10:06:39 AM
I don't really want to play a format... it's annoying. But some cards are just ridiculous (regardless of the format).

I'm not going to be able to tolerate being powergamed at for long before I go on a powergaming rampage!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 10:11:05 AM
I think my deck is nice enough, dark ritual and demonic tutor are bordering too powerful but other than that?

I will make a white knight/soldier deck to make an even wimpier one

and a really anoying white blue phasing deck.

ahh I remember one of the creatures essential for it.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/mtg-Visions-4x-Man-o-War-x4-Magic-card-lot-/00/s/Mjk5WDIxMA==/$(KGrHqF,!g8E8fYjq8H(BPJ)LuuLMw~~60_35.JPG)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 10:16:36 AM
Dark ritual is fine! The tutor is OK if you only have one copy of it.

What about (proper) dual lands? Plateau, volcanic island and all those? They are fine if everyone agrees to use them, but unfair otherwise.

I think it's best to avoid decks that involve a huge amount of searching through the library and general time wasting. It's dull.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 10:24:51 AM
I only have one tutor in I would say that it would be fine to use any two double lands.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 10:25:20 AM
I don't really want to play a format... it's annoying. But some cards are just ridiculous (regardless of the format).

I'm not going to be able to tolerate being powergamed at for long before I go on a powergaming rampage!

If you don’t want to play a format you can’t call cards illegal!- Unless we are just self regulating.
I think between us we can agree not to be too powergamey. Unless of course people WANT to be powergamey, which is fine as long as you both do it.

I used 2 of the dual lands in my deck because fandir said he had 2 in his. They are awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 10:33:41 AM
If you don’t want to play a format you can’t call cards illegal!

Why not?

Have you seen how unreasonably broken some cards are?


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I used 2 of the dual lands in my deck because fandir said he had 2 in his. They are awesome.

Fine if everyone uses them. Not fine if some do while others use weaker substitutes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 10:41:51 AM
I just mean it makes it hard if you say “oh I think that card is broken” instead of “oh we are playing legacy, and that card is not allowed”

it’s subjective. When do you say it, once you just lost to that deck? can Look a bit like sour grapes. do we make our own list of cards which are broken? Do we review each others decks on the forum to see if we think it’s broken?


"Have you seen how unreasonably broken some cards are?"
No, because I only know the cards I have played with or against!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 11, 2012, 10:50:20 AM
I pretty much stick to standard as I haven't been playing all that long and that is way too many cards to learn.

Having said that, I can still play your guys' decks. Just have to take a moment to work out some of the rules.

Planeswalkers are like having another you. They can be targeted if you could be targeted.

You can activate one of their abilities each turn, but to start with on most of them you'll want to do the ones that increase their life or only ding it slightly. When they have enough life you can use their high cost ability which is usually ouch!

I am not a big fan of them really. Maybe it's facing too many Jaces...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 11, 2012, 10:52:19 AM
Also some useful ingame shortcuts for you:

/mulligan. Pretty obvious
Ctrl U.   Untap everything
Alt + a number.  Change counter colours
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 10:55:06 AM
it’s subjective.

It's actually not in some cases!


Quote from: Siberius
I pretty much stick to standard as I haven't been playing all that long and that is way too many cards to learn.

I don't know any of the new cards, so standard is weird and foreign to me!



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Ctrl U.   Untap everything

Thanks, I was wondering if you could do that!

I'm best on the mirage, tempest and urza blocks. And I know about most of the older cards. I'm very patchy on anything more recent!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 10:58:41 AM
I had a magic surge during the old stuff up to mirage....and then picked it up from weatherlight to the edition when artifacts started....and dropped it there as the system of a whole load of crappy cards and some super incredible ones annoyed me too much.

Example exhibit a

(http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MAGTIM/avatar_of_woe.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 11, 2012, 11:15:24 AM
Hey guys I'm downloading the program now, can I join your group to play ??
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 11:32:12 AM
I’m sure I told you ctrl + u yesterday rufus!

Hey guys I'm downloading the program now, can I join your group to play ??


NO we dont like newcomers.  :engel:

What's a block? what's a set? too much jargon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 12:08:58 PM
I’m sure I told you ctrl + u yesterday rufus!

Probably missed it while clicking on the wrong things and being annoyed that I was looking stupid!


Also, I should stop trying to tell people what cards they can use.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 11, 2012, 12:14:24 PM
I’m sure I told you ctrl + u yesterday rufus!

Hey guys I'm downloading the program now, can I join your group to play ??


NO we dont like newcomers.  :engel:



 :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 12:19:50 PM
rockabill, my name on the game is notts, i'll be on from about 6.30 this evening british time.
I'm a magic noob so if you play me expect a slow game and rules questions!


These are the banned cards in legacy.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=judge/resources/sfrlegacy

What other cards do you think should be banned rufus?
I don't think that spinning top is banned.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 11, 2012, 12:23:30 PM
Strip Mine is on that list?!

That's weird.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 12:24:13 PM
I only have to get rid of the demonic tutor it seems...yes finlay you had a strip mine and your deck is legal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 12:25:27 PM
Strip Mine is on that list?!

Strip mine is amazing! It's been banned forever, basically.

Even the limited reprint, wasteland (only works on non-basic lands) is amazing!


That banned list looks fine to me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
fandir, my deck was legal for vintage (for this you have banned and restricted, only allowed 1 each of restricted cards) but illegal for legacy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 12:28:05 PM
What was in it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 11, 2012, 12:30:35 PM
Ok I instaled it, now I have to create my user name....
but how do I do that??
It says just type your user name but nothing appears no matter what I type..
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 12:31:05 PM
Ok I drop the demonic tutor and bring in some sorceror queens!

muahaahahaahahahaahaha!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
What was in it?
1 strip mine, made it illegal for legacy.

does anyone know the names of blue/white cards which let you search your deck for a land, pay 1 life and play it?

Ok I instaled it, now I have to create my user name....
but how do I do that??
It says just type your user name but nothing appears no matter what I type..
I had to increase the resolution on my laptop so I could see the typing box, in the bottom left hand corner of the screen
I think the control was /newuser
so if you put /newuser Rockabill
That should work
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 11, 2012, 01:21:49 PM
To be fair, the only blocks I really know are Alara, Zendikar and I am just now getting used to the latest one.

I kinda missed Mirrodin. It seemed crazy cos it was nearly all artifacts.

The latest block for now seems pretty cool. It has werewolves which transform bacl and forth depending on what else is going on. If we do a sealed maybe we should try it. All of us would be new to it so we'd all be equally bad.



Oh here is another useful command when you want to attach an aura or equipment.

Right click it, then click imprint/equip and then click the thing you want to attach it to. It should stay with that thing then. Pretty handy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 11, 2012, 01:33:48 PM
Sorry to keep bugging you with this but my resolution is already top high and still i cant see the box.
I can only see it if i raise it a bit with the mouse and so I see what I write (in a way) but I cant confirm the name. Do I have to click a box to confirm it or do something else, I tried pressing enter but the name just disappears and thats it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 01:40:56 PM
/newuser rockabill should work. Sorry I can't help much more, I'm not very technical and new to the programme
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 11, 2012, 01:44:21 PM
ok fixed it!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 01:50:54 PM
Making a deck is kind of hard - it's difficult to find the cards you want!

But I've managed to make a red/blue deck now. Hurrah!


I might do another one too, so I at least have a couple to choose from.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
Tip for everyone you can find the cards you need by

typing:

/find "Name of card"

for example

/find dark ritual

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 02:05:49 PM
I accidentally quit halfway through making a new deck!

Forget it, I'll just have one deck for now.


Are most people using the same name as here?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 02:07:59 PM
Well I am....I think the deck will still be there when you go back just start the programm and click edit/hide deck and I think it will be there again only if you click new deck or destroy deck it switches to something else...I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 02:10:33 PM
Ah, it is still there! Thanks!

My mind went blank anyway so I can't decide what else to put in it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 02:23:18 PM
Boooooo...hisss found out that phasing no longer triggers "enter play" or "leave play" effects.......so I can at least kick that idea.

Grumble.

Ok leaves for the killer decks the buried alive day of the dead.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 02:32:00 PM
im going to make a green/black deck with big creatures in! opposite to my birds. But it is just copied from the internet. I don’t know enough cards to make my own.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 02:33:20 PM
Phasing was always too complicated.


But it is just copied from the internet.

Boooooo!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 02:35:39 PM
sorry! I hope it isn’t nasty. I think it would be impossible for me to make a deck on my own. I don’t know any cards! I’ve tried to find decks listed as casual.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 02:39:50 PM
I'm going to burn it with fire, and then also counterspell it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 02:41:32 PM
'Go ahead with internet decks until you get to know more cards it is perfectly fine....oh the all black deck is nasty.

(http://www.dragonbreath.nl/images/Buried%20Alive.JPG)

bring creatures like that down there into the grave

(http://www.coolstuffinc.com/images/Products/mtg%20art/Mirage/Spirit%20of%20the%20Night.jpg)

bring them back

(http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MAGBAT/exhume.jpg)

turn 3 spirit of the night...tadaaaaa.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 02:43:52 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=197786&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 02:46:03 PM
I'm going to burn it with fire, and then also counterspell it.
it seems insanely vulnerable to counterspell.

I think I want to add counterspell to my bird deck as well as my crucial disenchants.

bojuka bog = feck off necromancers!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 02:48:32 PM
But who has this bog in his deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 02:50:20 PM
I would say anyone using black mana
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 02:51:07 PM
Nothing crushes your dreams quite like a counterspell!

My other favourite way to upset big creatures:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12148&type=card)

Steal them, no net mana cost.


But who has this bog in his deck?

I'd use it in any black deck! Just to upset people who like graveyards.

It's a good sideboard choice too, for any deck! Just in case.

Not that I'm bothering with a sideboard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 02:55:28 PM
can you counterspell a counterspell?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 02:56:15 PM
Yes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 02:58:33 PM
surely every blue deck wants counterspells then?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 02:59:15 PM
Not always. It depends!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 03:02:58 PM
Guess what rufus… it’s banned in standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 03:03:40 PM
Standard is lame!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 03:09:33 PM
This guy needs to go into finlays bird deck

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TPtNibJzL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

General  bird
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 03:13:56 PM
does that mean the talon troopers, bird soldiers, would be +2/+2.
But I also want kangee, aerie keeper and aven mimeomancers. And counterspell. And gravitational shift. Too many wants!

he might be a bit expensive as I have no mana acceleration apart from stormscape familiar.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 03:14:15 PM
He's amazing! The picture is hilarious.

I wonder why I didn't put him in Finlay's bird deck? Must have been too expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 03:15:42 PM
Yes....we are fixed again.

Thank you Siberius that you saved our financial future buy just hooking us to free internet cards and not the real thing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 03:22:06 PM
he’s not expensive, I just checked on ebay.

I dont get this card

(http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MAGONS/blistering_firecat.jpg)

You cast him, he cant do anything due to SS, then he is sacrificed?

so yo
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 11, 2012, 04:22:18 PM
Yes....we are fixed again.

Thank you Siberius that you saved our financial future buy just hooking us to free internet cards and not the real thing.

It's a beautiful thing ain't it?

After playing on here for a while, I actually found playing in real life a bit awkward and annoying.

My brother and I ended up playing magic right next to each other, with him on his laptop and me on my desktop. Bit of a sad commentary on modern life but what are you gonna do eh?  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 04:24:21 PM
You cast him, he cant do anything due to SS, then he is sacrificed?

Haste means no summoning sickness. So it's quite good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 11, 2012, 04:40:41 PM
Yeh get him out early and it's almost like a damage spell. Even if they have a little creature to block extra damage goes over, pretty tasty.


-----
EDIT

Noibn's legendary deck scares the pants off me  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 05:20:15 PM
I just missed you siby !
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 08:50:12 PM
Server down....damn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 08:59:00 PM
so, uh, what happened there?

has it broken for everyone else too?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 11, 2012, 09:40:59 PM
Yes...and still down...most likely your overpowered deck broke the servers.
 :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 11, 2012, 09:43:35 PM
Boo, I was just heading in there.

I need to make something that can handle fandir's evil one mana for 3 mana cards  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 09:48:20 PM
Damnit :(

I loved the way that deck played though. that tangle liege thing is ridiculous.
Think I should leave it for special occasions though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 10:04:17 PM
I can't connect!

Is it broken, or have I messed up again?

I'm sad. I want to play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 10:09:39 PM
I think no one can connect.

I played a game vs noibn, and as we left, the whole thing went really laggy, and now no one can connect. sad finlay is sad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 11, 2012, 10:10:16 PM
It ain't just you Rufus...

I'm building a deck or two outside of it... but it's harder!

Can your deck beat Noibn's deck Finlay? I beat it once and since then it's been horror...

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2012, 10:12:32 PM
Wait, it just came on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 10:13:28 PM
yes I went 3-0 vs noibn tonight.

2 with a flame deck (fandir completely destroyed this deck with "propaganda")

Then he built a new deck and I used the green/black one I found online with big monsters, and cast this creature which turns my lands into 8/8 creatures... He got me down to 1 life so it was a very close game.

I think it is quite rock, paper, scissorsy and it just happened my red deck matched up very nicely against his "summon loads of flying 1/1" thing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 11, 2012, 10:14:48 PM
Got my ass handed to me tonight... how is that even possible? I sence a disturbence in the force, must be why the server crashed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 11, 2012, 10:17:56 PM
Yeah, you spanked me good Finley. I enjoyed it thou =P The green/blue deck is more pauper, ie alot more fun to play. FoW and Senseis Divining Top etc just aren't that fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 11, 2012, 10:19:22 PM
Quick, server is up and running again, GET YER ASSES IN THERE!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 11:20:59 PM
rufus is hammering my green/black deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 11, 2012, 11:23:56 PM
I vote we ban all cards over 3 years old. I am totally getting whopped by all these old cards.

The dual lands for no cost are particularly mean  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
siby, put some dual lands in!

is there a way to whisper?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 11, 2012, 11:51:29 PM
Just after my first test game - that thing is awesome!

Ok, so there are now two ways to go:

1) search through bzwgzillion of cards to make a deck and have fun...

2) earn money and play sealed deck format. No insane combos, no overpowered cards, just imagination and pure fun.



Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 12:00:24 AM
I have some of the newer ones in fairness, the old ones just seem a bit better...

But I shall find a way to victory!

(somehow)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Stolzeuhu on July 12, 2012, 12:06:18 AM
wasn't there a format for new cards only?

like cards from three last sets?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 12:09:02 AM
I think so but I am not totally up on what is what.

Also, for the record, when I finish a game my computer takes a whole minute to get back to the main screen. That's why I don't answer immediately in case anyone wonders where I am.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
This thing is so amazing!

Magic magic magic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 12:53:57 AM
I thought I had an epic game earlier facing noibn's flying tokens of doom until tonight when we played goblins on walls...

And Finlay gets the moral non-sleepy victory. Sacrificing is so confusing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 12:57:11 AM
I definitely dont get the moral victory!

I havent read the rulebook, I just rely on being shown and remembering it, and I'm not even sure I could have finished you off anyway. Once you got your healing wall up...


Anyway, this thing is definitely amazing! It's kept me up till 2 am twice in a row. sleepy now.

more games tomorrow, after work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 01:02:50 AM
Have you considered a couple of dragons in that deck?

There are a couple of really nifty goblin eating ones...

Think there is a 'goblin expedition' card that could be nifty.


I will post a blow by blow sealed instruction post tomorrow when i am less sleepy too...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 01:10:07 AM
Is my red/blue deck too annoying? Maybe it is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 01:11:52 AM
too small sample size to say.

I've beaten it with my gobbos and bird deck, so maybe it just matched up really well with my green/black. also the fact one game was ruined because of mulligan.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 01:13:36 AM
I hope it's not annoying because I really like it!

I'll make another deck tomorrow so I have a choice.


This is my counterburn decklist, by the way. Is it dodgy?

4 counterspell
4 force of will
4 brainstorm
4 impulse
2 treachery
2 palinchron
4 frenetic efreet
4 lightning bolt
4 incinerate
2 pyroclasm
2 hammer of bogardan
4 volcanic island
10 island
10 mountain


I think my 4 brainstorms are why it's not legal in vintage. Brainstorm is not broken! But I could swap three of them for other cards I guess.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 12, 2012, 04:36:55 AM
Yep...dodgy I hope someone just plays a green..canīt be countered and canīt be target of effects deck .

(http://shufflingdead.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Thrun-the-Last-Troll.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 12, 2012, 05:15:47 AM
anybody wants to play today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 12, 2012, 07:31:40 AM
I hope it's not annoying because I really like it!

I'll make another deck tomorrow so I have a choice.


This is my counterburn decklist, by the way. Is it dodgy?

4 counterspell
4 force of will
4 brainstorm
4 impulse
2 treachery
2 palinchron
4 frenetic efreet
4 lightning bolt
4 incinerate
2 pyroclasm
2 hammer of bogardan
4 volcanic island
10 island
10 mountain


I think my 4 brainstorms are why it's not legal in vintage. Brainstorm is not broken! But I could swap three of them for other cards I guess.

Not at all. If I could make a suggestion thou. Add either 4 copies of Nevinyrral's Disk, or Powder Keg. A reset button comes in handy in decks like yours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 12, 2012, 08:07:03 AM
I hope it's not annoying because I really like it!

I'll make another deck tomorrow so I have a choice.


This is my counterburn decklist, by the way. Is it dodgy?

4 counterspell
4 force of will
4 brainstorm
4 impulse
2 treachery
2 palinchron
4 frenetic efreet
4 lightning bolt
4 incinerate
2 pyroclasm
2 hammer of bogardan
4 volcanic island
10 island
10 mountain


I think my 4 brainstorms are why it's not legal in vintage. Brainstorm is not broken! But I could swap three of them for other cards I guess.

Not at all. If I could make a suggestion thou. Add either 4 copies of Nevinyrral's Disk, or Powder Keg. A reset button comes in handy in decks like yours.

+1.  Counter-Burn's weakness always was permanants that can't be shot to death with direct damage.  Capsize was a favorite, back in the day -- "Oh, you slipped something through my countermagic?  Capsize with buyback.  Care to try that again?"

Re: Brainstorm - Brainstorm is considered so powerful not because Brainstorm is overpowered, per se; rather, it's so powerful in Vintage and Legacy due to its interactions with other cards (search lands, restricted cards in Vintage, etc.).  In casual formats, I don't see it being a problem.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 08:21:54 AM
That troll would be hard for anyone to deal with!

I forgot the disc! I actually used to use that in my real counter burn decks. Capsize too. Thanks!



I suppose the interactions with other cards are why Ponder is banned/restricted in some formats?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=244313&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 08:56:13 AM
Rules question!

Does combat damage still go on the stack? It used to be that you could have your creature deal its damage (which went on the stack) and then bounce it/phase it out. So it could deal damage but escape the return damage.

I can't see this in the current rules. Is it gone?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 12, 2012, 09:08:52 AM
Rules question!

Does combat damage still go on the stack? It used to be that you could have your creature deal its damage (which went on the stack) and then bounce it/phase it out. So it could deal damage but escape the return damage.

I can't see this in the current rules. Is it gone?

Combat damage no longer uses the stack.  Your Mogg Fanatics now suck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 12, 2012, 09:10:41 AM
Another rules question that came up.

Lifelink lets assume I have a 20 /20 creature with lifelink killing a 1/1 creature do I gain 20 or 1 life?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 12, 2012, 09:30:21 AM
20. Damage dealt is the key.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 12, 2012, 09:32:52 AM
 :ph34r:

lifelink is SICK!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 09:34:53 AM
Combat damage no longer uses the stack.  Your Mogg Fanatics now suck.

Wow, that sucks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 09:35:43 AM
Ponder just looks quite good. Extra draw and scrying, useful!

 Is there anyway that anyone knows of to increase the drawing in my bird deck? Because they all cost so little to cast I can easily cast like 4 creatures a turn quite quickly, and run out of my hand.
I lost to rufus yesterday when he had 5 life and I had 20 because I couldn’t get enough birds out to manage to take a spell, get blocked by the palinchrone, and finish him off.

Maybe that’s just his deck working and my deck almost worked but not quite quick enough and I don’t want to do anything about it.

MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC. I’m excited to get home to play it!
How depressing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 09:39:17 AM
Combat damage no longer uses the stack.  Your Mogg Fanatics now suck.

Wow, that sucks!
your cheaty ability has been taken away, cheat bouncy phasy creatures!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 09:45:02 AM
I suspected that ability was gone, which is why I didn't try to do it! Efreets are still good though.


As for your bird deck: that's the classic problem with creature swarm decks like yours. You do have airborne aid and squadron hawk to help reduce the problem. But adding more card drawing means fewer birds!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 09:54:46 AM
 Ah I forgot I had airborne aid. Guess I had stuff to deal with you and just didn’t draw them. (or if I’d drawn a talon trooper you wouldn’t have been able to hammer it as soon as I got one token on the aerie)

I might add a few of those thrunn trolls to my green deck too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 12, 2012, 09:58:34 AM
Perhaps there is a bird token card?

Something like mobilization for soldier decks or sacred mesa.

(http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/cards/15221.jpg)

(http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MAGMIR/sacred_mesa.jpg)

Or put in some big bad birds

(http://images.trollandtoad.com/products/pictures/383274.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 12, 2012, 10:15:15 AM
Is there anyway that anyone knows of to increase the drawing in my bird deck? Because they all cost so little to cast I can easily cast like 4 creatures a turn quite quickly, and run out of my hand.
I lost to rufus yesterday when he had 5 life and I had 20 because I couldn’t get enough birds out to manage to take a spell, get blocked by the palinchrone, and finish him off.

Always the problem with weenie decks. Once you burn through your hand it becomes a slog. Card drawing is mostly the domain of blue, but I believe white has a couple of cantrip creatures as well. Other useful things: Howling Mine might be worth considering (especially in combination with Black Vise), and for the later game cards like Jayemdae Tome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 12, 2012, 10:17:34 AM
Unglued cards are so full of win

(http://www.cardkingdom.com/media/images/products/standard/112358_1.jpg)

also a good search help for cards could be this....type bird in the advanced search  for example and you get all bird cards.

http://www.cardkingdom.com/catalog/item/112358 (http://www.cardkingdom.com/catalog/item/112358)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 12, 2012, 10:23:47 AM
Oh, another card that can mitigate the positive effects of Howling Mine for your opponent: Mr. Icy, aka Icy Manipulator. Awesome utility artifact all round.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 10:24:23 AM
Unglued cards are so full of win


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74344&type=card)

 :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 12, 2012, 10:29:20 AM
(http://mtg.akmigames.com/pic/UG/Hurloon%20Wrangler.full.jpg)

 :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 10:33:25 AM
thanks for hints all.

I'm not sure if adding artifacts and big birds or whatever will just dilute the deck from it's true purpose.

or if it's worth a bit of dilution to be a bit more flexible....

Aldaris, are you going to get the programme? would love to play you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 10:44:16 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74332&type=card)

Ruling: "Proliferate will allow you to add a shoe counter but you have to provide the shoe."


Ha!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 12, 2012, 10:50:18 AM
(http://static.starcitygames.com/www/images/article/10122005yawgatog-zombies.jpg)

those are rather good.


I want to make a Zombie deck

so far I came up with
8 woods
10 swamps
2 ancient ziggurats
4 woodland cemeteries
2 cemetery reaper
4 llanowar dead
2 undead warchiefs
2 vulturous zombie
2 unbreathing horde
2 death baron
2 army of the damned (now these cards are sicko)
4 maelstrom pulse (sicko too)
2 putrefy
4 strength of night
1 zombiemaster
4 dark ritual
1 Glissa the traitor
1 Skullbriar
1 geth lord of the vault
2 ghoultree

any ideas what should go in a zombie deck and what isnīt really need of what the stuff I have=?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 12, 2012, 11:10:33 AM
Aldaris, are you going to get the programme? would love to play you.

I definitely will! Busy, busy week though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 11:18:41 AM
Dunno if you've looked fandir but there are some real nice zombie cards in the latest block..
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 12, 2012, 11:23:07 AM
Give me names mister...I need names!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 12, 2012, 12:10:03 PM
So, when will you guys be on? I have no one to play with =/
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 12, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
And thus....the addiciton spread.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
5.30 gmt. Then I'll be on most of the night.

This is timed perfectly for the month when my wife and son are away.

card research to counter the hand problems I had yesterday!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=35079&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=23187&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 12:32:39 PM
I don't like those much. Expensive!

The first one is better than the second.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 12:34:02 PM
Nice!

A couple that I found, dunno if you already are using or have seen them:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/arb/14.jpg)


(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/arb/145.jpg)


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=179605&type=card)
Nice because you can do it on their turn or yours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 12:37:49 PM
no green mana for flurry of wings.

i've got 4 talon troopers

messenger falcons look a bit expensive mana wise

Did you see battle screeches flashback rufus?
4 tokens for 4 mana, not bad. only need one other creature on the deck for flashback as you can tap the first two you summon.
less mana cost if I have stormscape's out.

ordered migration, useful for end game summoning surely? dunno.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 12:38:08 PM
And for Fandir:

(http://d28yjzray7dvaa.cloudfront.net/mtg-cards/dark-ascension/zombie-apocalypse.jpg)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=262663&type=card)

There are more but Nopibn wants a game now  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 12:41:19 PM
Quote
Did you see battle screeches flashback rufus?
4 tokens for 4 mana, not bad. only need one other creature on the deck for flashback as you can tap the first two you summon.
less mana cost if I have stormscape's out.

Oh - might be worth a try, then.


Quote
ordered migration, useful for end game summoning surely? dunno.

Only two birds! You have two types of basic land.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 01:11:18 PM
oh! I thought it meant like 7, if I had 7 lands out.

that sucks then.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 01:19:18 PM
Yeh even playing five different lands it's kinda just ok. Unless you have some kind of token multiplier or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 01:20:54 PM
I think it's from a set where they tried to encourage you to play five-colour decks. There were a lot of cards that were only good if you had all five types of basic land in your deck.

If it worked on the number of lands you had it would indeed be worth it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
Hey Siby, what are the most recent card sets like? I want to make a standard-legal deck. But there are a lot of things to look through... which colours would be good for an aggressive creature deck in standard?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 12, 2012, 01:27:39 PM
Green red or green white I would suggest.


oh man there are silly cards...if during your upkeep you have 200 or more cards in your library....you win the game.  :icon_rolleyes:


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/etsrdfgiuoonsytdyathjfpsnvekufje.jpg)

say what please?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 12, 2012, 02:22:29 PM
Hey Siby, what are the most recent card sets like? I want to make a standard-legal deck. But there are a lot of things to look through... which colours would be good for an aggressive creature deck in standard?

Get used to playing with planewalkers if you wanna play standard. The I love MTG, but the powecreep is horrible. =/
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 02:25:45 PM
Green is indeed very nifty. And it has the speed to get the creatures out. The only sad thing is lack of protection.

I should warn you though that i am still learning the two new blocks.

I would certainly be up for a sealed at some point. It seems like a really good way to get a handle on the sets without just hours of mindboggling reading.


Noibn, I am not sure about powercreep. A lot of the stuff I have seen you guys playing seems insane! Planeswalkers can be nifty but are not a must have, and often can be killed fast unless really well protected.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 02:49:35 PM
I'd rather avoid using planeswalkers. The concept just seems wrong.

I might go for a theme deck of some kind.


A lot of the stuff I have seen you guys playing seems insane!

Ha ha, probably!


I would like to play sealed deck!


Good heavens, protection from zombies is an ability!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=246949&type=card)

Like!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 03:02:54 PM
I like to do themes.

Good themes in the current climate look to be angels, zombies, werewolves and i guess with Mirrodin, artifacts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 03:06:31 PM
Siby, will you get a chance to post instructions for sealed today? I do fancy it. No worries if not.

I’m not going to use planeswalkers.

Rufus, the green deck I used was standard legal. I’ll use it vs your standard deck and see if it doesn’t die immediately again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 03:49:02 PM
Ai, I can do it. Have a little free time right now.

SEALED

Ok, so when you go into sealed mode, it's like you become another person. For example you become Vaskel-sealed. If you don't take money with you, you can't buy your booster so you want to type this in:

/sealed 15

That will put you into sealed mode with 15 to spend which is just more than you need for most sets.

You then buy whichever 6 boosters you agreed on. You can do that by right clicking and then "show hide products". Middle click to buy them, they will flash up as you do, but don't worry, you don't have to pay much attention.

Start a new deck. I usually put sealed in the title somewhere so I don't play it when I don't want to!

Now go to 'show collection'

Right click in the top bar of that and you should have the option to 'select display'. Now click 'sealed deck' and all you have to chose from is what you just got plus as many lands as you'll need.

Just make your deck and play like normal. I think sealed decks are 40 cards.

Et voila!



When you are all done with your games type in:

/sealed end

And everything including your winnings and new cards should transfer back over to your normal person.

 :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 03:58:32 PM
siby, can I fight your wall deck with my birds later?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 04:01:46 PM
For sure! I am curious to see how it would pan out...

I pretty much avoid planeswalkers, apart from the odd occasion, and I think I'd use one if I got it in sealed, but that does not happen very often  :wink:.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 04:06:07 PM
You gonna be around in 40 minutes? I’m about to head home but need to go to library and the store.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 04:17:49 PM
How do you name a deck again? Forgot!


Edit: still don't know, but made a new deck with a name and imported the cards into it.

I like the blue and white cards in the innistraad block. How do the transforming ones work though? Do you get two cards so you can replace one with the other when it changes? I decided not to use any for now...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 12, 2012, 04:46:01 PM
How do you name a deck again? Forgot!


Edit: still don't know, but made a new deck with a name and imported the cards into it.

I like the blue and white cards in the innistraad block. How do the transforming ones work though? Do you get two cards so you can replace one with the other when it changes? I decided not to use any for now...

/renamedeck <deckname>
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 12, 2012, 04:50:01 PM
siby, can I fight your wall deck with my birds later?

After that, could I take on your bird deck with my snake deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 12, 2012, 04:58:03 PM
/renamedeck <deckname>

Thanks!

I should have thought of that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
My computer is slow ,rstarting
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 06:15:14 PM
Sorry guys,

I may look like I am there, but I am not. Not sure if I will get back or not. Cooking with the wife.

Rufus, transform cards, you right click during a game and there is a list of them under I think Dark ascension transform or something, a bit like how you find tokens
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 09:21:04 PM
Is it annoying when I declare a loss when it is clear i am going to lose but before you get the satisfaction of taking my life to 0?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2012, 09:22:24 PM
Nope, gives more time for a rematch!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 12, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
Is it annoying when I declare a loss when it is clear i am going to lose but before you get the satisfaction of taking my life to 0?

Nope. There are points in the game when you KNOW that your opponent has you in an armbar, and since you know what you have in your deck you can usually tell if you have a prayer of turning the situation around or not.

Usually, if I still have some chance of winning I continue ("if I draw X I can still break this!"), but if math tells me its over I concede.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2012, 11:53:03 PM
highlight of the evening,

I had 2 soul cathchers aeries out, one had 3 tokens already, and 6 birds out.

Noibn played a card which killed all my birds, I ended up with +15/+15!

super augury owl of doom!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 12:53:30 AM
"I am the death owl"


My new deck works quite well! But not against Noibn, who continues to beat me mercilessly.


Is there a quick way to do tokens, or do I have to go through the menu and select 'human' every time? It's annoying when getting five at once.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 01:08:02 AM
alt d!
I thought you knew, sorry.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 01:10:45 AM
I don't know anything!

Thanks - I thought there had to be an easier way.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 01:12:41 AM
a) what the hell is this, and how does it work

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=73950&type=card)

b)we really should do sealed tomorrow/saturday!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 01:15:00 AM
Thats from one of the joke sets, so isn't supposed to make sense!


Sealed would be good.



Also, when I played Noibn I forgot oblivion ring works on artifacts! I could have got rid of those magic boots of annoyance.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on July 13, 2012, 03:06:46 AM
it says "server closed connection
ABNORMAL EXIT"

I am getting this, how do you fix it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 13, 2012, 07:13:35 AM
it says "server closed connection
ABNORMAL EXIT"

I am getting this, how do you fix it?

I got that message too the other day, I think it was because the server was down. Just keep trying to reconnect... You'll get in sooner or later.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 08:20:39 AM
You play magic, commandant? You never said.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 13, 2012, 09:52:49 AM
im in if anybody wants to play :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 13, 2012, 10:06:11 AM
im in if anybody wants to play :icon_biggrin:
Me too, let's go =p
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 10:15:02 AM

You’re in all the time noibn!

I might not get on at all today.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 10:27:53 AM
I might not get on at all today.

Boooooo!



Also, I'd use this card but I'd never be able to decide what to ban:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=226878&type=card)

(No raven jokes please. Too obvious.)


This might be my favourite card in the new block though:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=237364&type=card)

I actually want the real card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 13, 2012, 10:29:50 AM
Donīt give in to the addicition!

Yes it is rather good I think I can make a standard soldier deck that kicks ass.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 10:34:31 AM
Soldiers? Humans are where it's at!

I can buy that card because it will cost about 10 pence. I'm not going to buy a load of expensive rare cards though.


I need to play you, Fandir! What sort of times are you on?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 10:43:29 AM
I’ve decided I’mn going to play at lunch, as I have my laptop at work. 1-2pm anyone?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 13, 2012, 10:44:33 AM
Maybe a little bit in the evening but I feel my decks are super weak right now.

 :ph34r:

The Innistrad cards are incredibly fantastic and full of great fluff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 10:55:18 AM
I don’t think so. Mine are hardly overpowered!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 13, 2012, 10:57:16 AM
The black one has some tricks but the zombie and the soldier deck might need some tuning...also mono color decks are always a bit weaker I think I will make the soldiers green white and the zombies black and blue at some point.

hmmm and maybe a red and black vampire deck...if we make a sealed deck game (maybe a four player?) I suggest we play innistrad....great edition I really enjoy most of the art work of the cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 11:07:01 AM
Is anyone going to be on in an hour? I wont bother turning on my laptop if not as it takes 30 minutes to get going!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 13, 2012, 11:18:31 AM
do we play a specific rulespack or whatever cards we want (within reason)???
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 11:21:11 AM
I am at work right now.

I agree fandir. Innistrad should be really good for sealed. You can even pretty much theme your deck even with the limited cards.

Also, splashing blue into your zombies will open up a tonne of good cards. There is even a blue/black land that can turn itswld into a zombie I think!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 11:28:59 AM
Rockabill, I think the ones who are used to old magic are playing legacy/vintage (me, fandir, rufus, others?). I try to make my decks legal for legacy and vintage. But I also have one deck legal for standard.
I do aim to have fun more than creating ridiculously powerful decks- just putting that out there so no one is at cross purposes.


what do you do siby, you seem to be on at odd times for an American?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 12:05:13 PM
I’ve decided I’mn going to play at lunch, as I have my laptop at work. 1-2pm anyone?


I could play one game right now!


Damn, actually I can't.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 13, 2012, 12:13:29 PM

You’re in all the time noibn!

I might not get on at all today.

Yeah, got a couple of days off, back to work tomorrow thou =/

I should really spend some time painting, but this game is so addictive! =)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 13, 2012, 12:15:45 PM
I do aim to have fun more than creating ridiculously powerful decks- just putting that out there so no one is at cross purposes.

I hear that, it's  much more fun to play casual decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 12:23:26 PM
Sorry noibn - I wasn't ignoring you on the magic site, just had to go!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on July 13, 2012, 12:25:02 PM
You play magic, commandant? You never said.

I played and then I didn't play and now I play again.   More so if it isn't going to cost me an army and a leg :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 12:38:13 PM
My computer is being ridiculous!  Sorry noibn

I shouldn't have tried again to get on the secure, now it's but not letting me back on the open!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 01:19:34 PM
Are you locked out of the site?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 01:23:34 PM
no, just the wireless at work being weird. I got on and managed one game (noibn spanked me.)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 13, 2012, 01:41:22 PM
Is Ravnica = Return to Ravnica regarding legality....birds of paradise are back....one green 0/1 flying green creature tab to add one mana of any colour.....insanely good card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 01:49:58 PM
Is Ravnica = Return to Ravnica regarding legality.

No, I think 'return' is a new set due later this year. So standard is currently the Inistraad block and Mirodin block (I've not looked at any of the mirodin cards!) plus the magic 2012 and magic 2013 base sets.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 02:03:52 PM
but i think birds of paradise are legal atm arent they, I think they were printed in m12?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 02:04:36 PM
I thought birds had been in every base set forever!


Edit: they have... but they aren't in magic 2013!  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 02:10:26 PM
didn't magic 13 come out today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Noght on July 13, 2012, 02:13:42 PM
Someone mentioned a Magic the Gathering App for the I-Pad to me the other day.  Any thoughts on how well it works or price point?

Noght
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 02:21:42 PM
to play games? or like this
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/879

Couldn’t find the official one.. I just download mtg familiar.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
Magic 13 has rancor in it! Rancor ate your face!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253686&type=card)


Green looks great in standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 13, 2012, 02:55:56 PM
I am still amazed at that primoridal hydra.......I guess blue green will be killer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 03:04:57 PM
I just realised I am not technically standard anymore...

I keep thinking I am cos it feels like not that long ago I stopped playing...

Is 13 available to update on the game? Or is it just out in real life?

To answer your question Finlay, by morning I stack shelves and any other time I am a photographer, but I feel a tad bad callong myself that yet until I am getting super regular jobs.

But it means I work 4am to lunchish most of the time. Unfortunately next week we go 12am starts...  Hopefully only for a fortnight but I am 6 days a week because apparently I am the only one who can do what I can do (read- most everyone else is either too lazy or too stupid, or alas, both). So maybe I will make a vampire deck as that will suit me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 03:19:44 PM
Is 13 available to update on the game?

It's on the site now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 03:36:36 PM
Does that mean we need to download an update?

I want to donate some money to it.

M 13 came out today, and it's updated ! Amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 03:38:41 PM
Guess I better update then!

So 11 is illegal in standard now...

I keep trying to make myself look through mirrodin but it is so intimidating, wall to wall artifacts...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 03:40:05 PM
I'm not sure if I downloaded an update or not. It just appeared.

I had no idea there were so many blue/red lands available! My legacy deck now has a million of them, and very few basic lands.


Quote from: Siberius
I keep trying to make myself look through mirrodin but it is so intimidating, wall to wall artifacts...

I'm ignoring that one. Don't fancy it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 03:51:10 PM
It was the set that made me stop drafting. When I heard it was near all artifacts I kinda lost interest. That and the fact that they never finished draft nights until getting on for midnight did not really mix with my schedule.

I loved drafting though. I really liked the anticipation and fairness of it.

Having said all this, I might try and make an artifact deck just for the variety. Just the one  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 03:51:54 PM
Also I could totally fit in a sealed if anyone has the time right now...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 13, 2012, 03:53:45 PM
I would be up for it in about two hours.....maybe two and a half.
but only one Fandir has some study to do later on. Otherwise the world wonīt be saved.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 03:58:10 PM
Can't gauaratee I will be around by then, but if I am, sure thing.  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 13, 2012, 04:02:10 PM
What are the suggestions on multiplayer games? We often played it that way that you only could attack to your left and also couldnīt cast any spells directing a player to anyone else but the left player.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 04:22:07 PM
No idea, multiplayer games confuse me!

When I talk about multiplayer sealed I was kinda meaning sorta everyone makes a deck and then plays everyone else one on one if you see what I mean. Like a mini tournament.

I'd be up for multiplayer too but as to the rules... someone else will have to provide them  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on July 13, 2012, 04:24:03 PM
What are the suggestions on multiplayer games? We often played it that way that you only could attack to your left and also couldnīt cast any spells directing a player to anyone else but the left player.

Do you, that is weird, it is how vampire is played I think.   When I was playing MTG multiplayer you could attack anybody you liked.   There was one guy with a really interesting red deck with no creatures that was the worst balance of power gamer I have ever seen
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 04:27:18 PM
I should be on the magic site ready to play from about 11 or so tonight. I have my humans and ghosts standard deck, or my rather bent legacy counter/burn deck, which is a lot better since adding all the funny lands.

Sorry Siby!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on July 13, 2012, 04:34:27 PM
Still won't connect for me for some reason
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 04:54:46 PM
I should be on the magic site ready to play from about 11 or so tonight. I have my humans and ghosts standard deck, or my rather bent legacy counter/burn deck, which is a lot better since adding all the funny lands.

Sorry Siby!

The only card I really didn't like in your deck was the one that casts mind control pretty much for free. Can't really argue with ponders and lightning bolts  :-P.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 05:08:36 PM
The only card I really didn't like in your deck was the one that casts mind control pretty much for free.

Oh dear, I didn't realise it was as bad as that! I hadn't seen mind control.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=238572&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12148&type=card)

It's even better if you have land that tap for more than one mana, or have cast high tide... then it actually generates mana!

 :blush:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 05:24:00 PM
Still won't connect for me for some reason

Do you get any error messages?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 05:25:27 PM
I hate having to ask 'counter? ' everytime I cast anything!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 05:29:14 PM
I hate having to ask 'counter? ' everytime I cast anything!

Ha ha!

Well, you can usually tell by looking at how much mana someone has available whether they can counter or not... unless they have a free counter like Force of Will... there's nothing like that in standard, I think. Not that I know of anyway.


I found some great red/blue cards in a set called 'guildpact' or something like that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 05:31:49 PM
I usually wait a few seconds to see if they start tapping or say 'wait'. Then I go ahead as they've had fair chance : :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 06:31:07 PM
I can't get the wireless at the b and b to connect to my laptop, buy its working on my phone.

Hmm
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 13, 2012, 06:32:57 PM
I vote Lightning boots out....overpowered magic slippers!

2 mana protection from spells and abilities 0 to equip.....insane
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 13, 2012, 07:07:40 PM
I vote Lightning boots out....overpowered magic slippers!

2 mana protection from spells and abilities 0 to equip.....insane

Hehe, yea I guess they can be pretty anoying... I'll make sure to keep them out of my casual decks in the future. It's hard to guage what level to build ones deck at thou. I got my ass handed to me by Vaskel earlier, now I wouldn't call his deck overpowered at all... None the less it was very well built and crushed me with ease.

Maybe we should agree on a banned list for casual play amung us WE members? Just to make it easier to build fun decks for people like me =P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Here's the thing. That is one of the cool things about only using cards that you have bought. Some of the sillier (good) ones are really expensive.

If we had the rule 'no proxies' then we'd be forced to only be able to use what we buy and it takes a while to be able to buy the silly cards, whilst we could easily make decks with 0.01 cards. (And buying 4 of those expensive cards is seriously expensive!)

It's one possibility of how we could have a ban like effect without having to ban...

Of course I have a bazillion cards so I would have to limit myself for a while as to what I took. But everyone else should be forced into more sensible decks.



Or we could just have a 'no proxies' option when we play each other where we decide. Almost like two formats. A proxy nutty one for fun and a bought cards one for not and we just clarify what we are playing before we chose decks.

*shrug*


I am kinda suggesting this because it is sometimes really hard for me to judge what is really bad.

Like that primordial hydra is amazing but one path to exile or counter and it's nothing. Noibn's lightning boots are nifty but vulnerable to many cards also. Where does one draw the line?

I think maybe we could at least have to use bought cards in our standard decks. As it turns out I practically have none of the last couple blocks so even I am with you guys on that.

Quick tip - sometimes it is cheaper if you get up to a couple hundred dollars to just keep buying boosters. Often you can fish out the ultra rares that way for a fraction of their cost, while totally filling up on commons and uncommons. Plus when you have one of each card in a set you can register it for more cashola, cha ching!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 13, 2012, 09:38:50 PM
good idea siby, but then it benefits the people who can play a lot to get lots of money, and disadvantages those who cant.

I'd be up for trying some non proxied decks though. Are you going to be on later?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 13, 2012, 09:54:11 PM
The idea that the price (in money) of a card should be a balancing factor for its power really pisses me off!

That's the thing I hate about magic!


OK, calming down... why do I keep seeing messages like 'bob gets giant aardvark as a reward for this game?'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 10:58:25 PM
Would it help if you think of it as points value?  :engel:

That's true Finlay. I don't really know how to balance it then in terms of banning and whatnot. Maybe we just have to shrug our shoulders and allow everything.


OK, calming down... why do I keep seeing messages like 'bob gets giant aardvark as a reward for this game?'

Another bonus of playing with non-proxied cards is they gift you cards, mostly from 'Unglued' and some cool lands. Course if you play with proxies anyway who cares?!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 13, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Also I am surprised no one has changed their little avatar thing yet...

Not that I can remember how to do it but I think it's pretty easy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 12:06:47 AM
I'll change mine if I can have a squid or something. Otherwise I like the rat.


My sealed deck has this guy:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=254107&type=card)

And I still lost the game! He got killed by fliers that I couldn't block.

But now I know how planeswalkers work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 14, 2012, 12:17:33 AM
Boy if you can defend him in sealsed 3or4 turns game over!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 12:18:44 AM
Stupid fliers!

I only got to do one mill attack.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 14, 2012, 12:22:53 AM
He's even better in sealed than normal. Why is he only 5 mana?

I like sealed though.
Longer to start, but quicker games. I guess as you learn the cards in each set it becomes quicker.

When I'm not so tired I'll make proper decks in sealed and it'll be good.


Siby , I'm up for playing more sealed and non proxy games to get over balance issues.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 12:24:20 AM
He's even better in sealed than normal. Why is he only 5 mana?

Because he's ultra rare.

This really is the reason!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on July 14, 2012, 12:25:43 AM
Still won't connect for me for some reason

Do you get any error messages?

server closed connection
Abnormal exit
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 12:26:38 AM
Still won't connect for me for some reason

Do you get any error messages?

server closed connection
Abnormal exit


That normally happens if the server is down. Can you try it now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on July 14, 2012, 12:27:56 AM
still getting it.   Maybe I should reinstall it :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 12:29:08 AM
Good plan. I had problems with mine, but when I re-installed it worked fine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on July 14, 2012, 12:38:24 AM
Same issue.   i'll sort it out tomorrow
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 14, 2012, 09:57:51 AM
Siby , are you meant to buy new sealed decks when you play?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 10:30:26 AM
Do you want a game now, Finlay?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 14, 2012, 10:37:31 AM
Looking after Ted. But it's nap time soon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 10:38:36 AM
Surely Ted can help you play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 14, 2012, 10:41:14 AM
If by help me play you mean smash my keys and wiggle the mouse everywhere and click it all the time, then yes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 10:44:18 AM
That is what I imagined, yes.

So really he'd be helping me win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 14, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
you didn't need his help, spankination!


rockabil, you're on the programme but not responding, i'm free at the moment until my son wakes up
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 01:29:43 PM
You beat me at sealed though! 2 out of 3.

Stupid vampire deathtouch guy! I had the same card but never drew him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 14, 2012, 02:10:48 PM
sorry finlay i was messing around in the net looking at cards.
I can give you a quick game now if you like.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 14, 2012, 02:19:23 PM
My son woke up!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 14, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
oh well another time i guess. :blush:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 14, 2012, 08:44:17 PM
Is there a command to make it show you only the cards you actually own siby?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2012, 11:44:51 PM
Finlay smashed me with a zombie net-deck! It was mean.   ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 15, 2012, 09:03:37 AM
How did I not notice this card for my 'when humans attack' deck?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=262861&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 15, 2012, 09:10:00 AM
That's ridiculous for one mana.

Also look up crusader odric ,i can't post pics on my phone.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 15, 2012, 09:18:51 AM
Oh yes! I might use that in place of the one that exiles enchantments.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253730&type=card)


Still not as good as this though:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=226747&type=card)

No meaningful drawback! Too cheap.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 15, 2012, 09:29:40 AM
Not convinced. The champion parish is the same cost , and will quickly become amazing.

I think you might need the enchantments exiler ,jst not vs my decks at the moment. Do you have other removal?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 15, 2012, 09:51:30 AM
Those zombies are brutal. There's that 3-mana undying one too.

The trouble with enchantment exile guy is he's too slow... even when I need him, I have to wait too long for his power to become available. I do have oblivion ring... 3 copies, so I could add one more.

There are so many good white cards that I almost feel I should drop blue from the deck. But maybe it would be too vulnerable then. And a bit boring.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 15, 2012, 10:30:41 AM
but then 4 obli rings are all you have for creature removal, enchantment, artifacts everything.

Oh no, your fiend hunter for creatures. Guess its ok then!

Maybe you could keep this one and slightly edit it and have a pure white.


I'm playing the guy I beat last night with the netdeck zombie.

He is spanking the crap out of my own zombie list with humans. He keeps championing of the parish me. with some delver summoner blue human, who turns into a human insect if you have a sorcery on the top of your lib. 2 tokens for the champion a turn!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 15, 2012, 11:30:34 AM
I could have 4 o-rings and 3 fiend hunters, instead of 3, 2, and 2 enchantment-exile guys. I've only actually used their ability once I think!

I'd like to fit the parish hero guy in, but I'm not sure what to get rid of. I also don't want to powergame too much.

I like having blue in there. Mass appeal!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240095&type=card)

It's like the bird one you have, but cheaper.


Quote
He is spanking the crap out of my own zombie list with humans. He keeps championing of the parish me. with some delver summoner blue human, who turns into a human insect if you have a sorcery on the top of your lib. 2 tokens for the champion a turn!
 

Hmmm, that would be this card:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=226749&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=226755&type=card)

I don't have enough instants or sorceries to trigger it!

Anyway, does transforming count as 'entering the battlefield' ? Not sure.


Hey, look at this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=239959&type=card)

Poll Tax riots: the card!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 15, 2012, 01:06:28 PM
anybody wants to play?
im in.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 15, 2012, 08:23:23 PM
Anyway, does transforming count as 'entering the battlefield' ? Not sure.

I don't think so. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 15, 2012, 10:33:06 PM
Anyway, does transforming count as 'entering the battlefield' ? Not sure.

I don't think so.

Agreed. I just looked through the rules for them. It doesn't even mention coming into the battlefield so I reckon the fact that the card itself stays means it doesn't count as entering.

Also if someone say clones it, it only clones the side facing. The card cannot transform! Interesting eh?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 15, 2012, 10:34:23 PM
cheater! I still beat him

despise talrand then surgicaly extract him.

Amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 15, 2012, 11:41:27 PM
Took my new white deck against Noibn's deck with protection from white... not good!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 16, 2012, 08:24:15 AM
I'm going to start using this, because I hate surgical extraction:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=230066&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 16, 2012, 09:11:15 AM
Surgical extraction made my overrun deck very sad.  :cry:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 16, 2012, 09:13:49 AM
It made me angry!

It's not hard to make me angry!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 16, 2012, 09:54:45 AM
I think it’s a bit unfair to have a go at surgical extraction when I’ve been mana leaked, force of willed, counterspelled, oblivion ringed for days on end! I’m allowed instants and counters too.

Perhaps we should only play sealed. The problem is it takes a while to start it up.

Or  only non proxies, except you just said you spent all your money!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 16, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
I’m only going to use my zombies when my other decks make me sad.

And im going to rebuild my green and red decks because at the moment they are pretty much unusable.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 16, 2012, 10:04:06 AM
I know it's unfair. I am unfair. Just ignore me. You know what I'm like with warhammer! Moan moan moan.

I'll just use that spell back at you then... extract your extraction. Or play with no multiples of any cards, so it doesn't do anything.


I did spend all my money! I can't do sealed until I get more!


Not allowing proxies just makes it like real magic: massively frustrating because you can't have the cards you want!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 16, 2012, 10:25:43 AM
Except it’s not real money. Just stops people using combos of incredibly rare cards which you couldn’t really get in real life. Ie I think my zombie deck is expensive in real life. But didn’t your humans beat it both times it played?

Only need 15 bucks for sealed, easy to get quickly, or I can donate.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 16, 2012, 12:24:21 PM
wanna try a new deck! whos in the mood?? :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 16, 2012, 04:12:58 PM
I love this card!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96891&type=card)


He's so awesome he shorted out Fandir's internet connection!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 16, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
I hate voltorb

I'm on now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 16, 2012, 05:58:00 PM
I hate him too
and my internet hates him too....but you forced me to do a green deck with that troll in it!
 :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 16, 2012, 07:19:32 PM
I missed you coming to ask for sealed.. but my elf goblins are ready.



haha! Siby just polltaxed me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 16, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
So many humies around! I need an orc deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 16, 2012, 09:41:39 PM
just what is good at the moment... with zombies


my elflins arent humans!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 16, 2012, 10:56:18 PM
I don't like the transformy werewolf cards at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 16, 2012, 11:37:04 PM
Dammit, you all - in conjunction with my friend who's been livestreaming Cube Drafts on Magic Online - have me getting back into Magic.  I'm shopping for my standard deck tomorrow.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 16, 2012, 11:41:31 PM
Play for free on the magic site we use instead!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 16, 2012, 11:42:26 PM
yes..virtual crack is less harmful!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 16, 2012, 11:53:01 PM
I love the werewolves... I may have to make a werewolf deck...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 16, 2012, 11:58:02 PM
Play for free on the magic site we use instead!

I just might, when I finally get done with this stretch of working 12 hour days.  I'd love to fire up some casual decks against you guys to balance out the rollercoaster ride that is competitive magic, that I'm about to get back on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on July 17, 2012, 12:44:14 AM
Play for free on the magic site we use instead!

That still isn't working for me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 17, 2012, 12:51:35 AM
4 great games today.

4 losses. Rufus on 3 health. Me hoping for damage spell or haste boar... no,  a forest.

Siby left on 1 health twice, one time dealing me 18 damage at once to come back from 17 1 down.

And fandir rebuking my super powered flying insect. It was like 14 10 flying first strike.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 17, 2012, 03:20:58 AM
The best thing about that 18 damage in one attack was that it was from a 1/1 creature!

I probably should have lost at least one of those games...

Still working out how to beat Rufus's human deck. I accidentally named a card I had in my own hand for us not to be able to play...oops!

I thought maybe taking the fight over his head might do it but surprise! A big indestructable angel popped up!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 17, 2012, 08:40:33 AM
I hate that angel! Need sweep spells .
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 17, 2012, 08:43:49 AM
I only have one of that angel! So I was quite lucky to draw it.

How did a 1/1 cause 18 damage in one attack?  :ph34r:



Also, I looked up that fishman drake summoner you were talking about:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253701&type=card)

I should be playing that in my counterburn deck!

But I won't because it's clearly cheating.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 17, 2012, 09:17:04 AM
I cant remember exactly, but it nhad magic items and I think an ability to tap mana to increase its power. it ended up as 9/something double strike.

But I should have won by casting a +2/+2 spell on my dude the turn before.
And I should have beaten you one game with naturalizing obli ring.

That's why I'm shit at magic!



And also because everyone else uses him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 17, 2012, 09:34:29 AM
And he looks like a fool on the picture.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 17, 2012, 11:25:43 AM
I like his picture! I think it is a cool card too, really. Just overused.

Damnit, the red sweep spells I can find are too old for standard. Volcanic fallout and pyroclasm.

Adaptive automaton… I think I probably want 4 in the elflin deck. Then  I could boost either gobos or elves depending on what I draw.
And they would count as gobos for Krenko’s tap ability!



Krenko is the highest rated card ever on gatherer! Amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 17, 2012, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Finlay
Adaptive automaton

That's an amazing card. I want if for my aurochs deck.

Because I'm going to make an aurochs deck. Cows of doom!


Krenko is the highest rated card ever on gatherer! Amazing.

Really? He's good but not that good.

Though I did have 30+ goblins in a sealed game against Noibn because of him!


Red sweep spells:

This burns humans, but not ghosts. And you can use it twice.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=249660&type=card)

This one is quite good.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=214054&type=card)


Do you want them in your deck though? They kill your guys too!


Or there's this, but it's a bit expensive.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=249682&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 17, 2012, 04:22:51 PM
I made an aurochs deck! It's ready to trample people with cows.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 17, 2012, 04:40:02 PM
I think slagstorm. I know it kills mine, but with krenko and krenko's command... my deck can stall, so it's a good way of starting again.
Ie like when you had 6 flying tokens out!
and also useful to finish someone off if I am healthy.

He isnt the highest card, I checked. someone lied in his comments! He is pretty high though.

I'll see if I think I want to add adapative automaton. Already got to see what to drop to fit in slagstorm.

does gavony township count as a basic land? or does basic land only mean plains, island, mountain etc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 17, 2012, 07:26:01 PM
does gavony township count as a basic land? or does basic land only mean plains, island, mountain etc.

To be a basic land, it has to have the "Basic Land" card type.  In newer sets, they made this easy by printing it right on the card.  For instance, a Mountain's card type is "Basic Land -- Mountain."  I think only the five basic lands and their snow-covered equivalents are "Basic Lands."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 17, 2012, 08:58:16 PM
My werewolf deck did pretty good on its first outting, but it may have been a favourable match up. Will be interesting to see how it performs against different colours/builds.

Aahhooooooooooo
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 17, 2012, 09:38:35 PM
I've just been spanked all over the shop today.

My elfllings didnt work, so I thought i'd just make a krenko/burn themed deck and it got DESTROYED by this dudes mono black deck. Depressingly so.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 17, 2012, 09:58:19 PM
I'm on now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 17, 2012, 09:58:46 PM
It just broke. abnormal connection.

Anyone else?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
I'm quite pleased with the cow deck!

Moooooooo!


Finlay and I did sealed in the mercadian masks block... it is full of hilariously awful cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 18, 2012, 12:29:28 AM
I'm quite pleased with the cow deck!

Moooooooo!


Finlay and I did sealed in the mercadian masks block... it is full of hilariously awful cards.

LOL at Masques Block.  It was a consequence of Urza's Block...after all the broken stuff, they overcorrected and made a block with few power cards.  I did like Rebels from that block, though.  Linn Sivii is hot.

I still think Homelands was worse than Masques, though.  But that's not really a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 18, 2012, 12:33:02 AM
3 mana for a 3/1 creature. If it's blocked, it does no combat damage. So shit!

W hat blocks might be good for sealed towie ?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 18, 2012, 01:28:51 AM
W hat blocks might be good for sealed towie ?

My favorite block is Invasion -- it encourages you play with more colors than usual, has awesome dragons, and is balanced with few OP cards.

I also liked Odyssey, but it's not as varied as Invasion because it encourages you to build around creature types.

Any of the newer base sets would be good too...the most fun I've ever had drafting has been M12 and M13.  Both are very balanced, with solid cards and not much broken-ness (unless you crack a planeswalker, of course  :icon_rolleyes:).

Edit: BTW, gonna try to get the program up and running tomorrow...I finally have a day off!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 18, 2012, 01:41:25 AM
Zendikar block was great to draft. Very little multi colour and though there are eldrazis, in draft they are rare and of course take a lot to cast.

Allies, landdrop and kor were all cool from that and the eldrazi elememt made things interesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2012, 09:38:35 AM
I had some pirate airships that were quite good! Otherwise I've never seen such an awful selection of cards staring back at me from the screen.

I don't know invasion or odyssey much at all... I have looked at zendikar I think. I'm quite happy to try sealed in those.

I remember the urza block well - a lot of my real cards are from there. There are a good half a dozen cards still on the banned list from that block!



Quote from: towishimp
Edit: BTW, gonna try to get the program up and running tomorrow...I finally have a day off!

Hurrah! I hope we get to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2012, 10:04:01 AM
Also, Priest of Titania is hilarious if the other player also has elves. So much mana to spend on cows!


And I put this card in just so I could imagine the look on Finlay's face when I cast it.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=279712&type=card)

Plus flying super-cows are amusing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 18, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
(http://www.moxdiamond.com/images/cards/magic/Urza%27sSaga/c9f019809ef6fa451e0312c6ae87384f_w200.jpg)

Is he standard legal?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2012, 10:09:18 AM
No!

So old. Only good against green anyway, so why use it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 18, 2012, 10:25:08 AM
He is good in an elf deck and against a green deck he is insane.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2012, 10:30:03 AM
Too expensive for a general elf deck (lots of better ones for the cost). So sideboard only.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 18, 2012, 10:43:25 AM
The amusing thing is the only game my elflings have won was when you cast that spell!
I’d be up for trying those old blocks mentioned, apart from perhaps the urza if they are banned. Although I do like m12, m13 and the werewolf set. I like the human aiding artifacts! Stabby stabby +3 dagger.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2012, 12:02:11 PM
The amusing thing is the only game my elflings have won was when you cast that spell!

You still freaked out when I cast it, even though I only had two elves to benefit from it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 18, 2012, 12:04:47 PM
yes! ridiculous card.

then my 3/3 hasted goblions stabbed you in the face.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2012, 12:06:58 PM
My cows still stomped you twice. So there.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 18, 2012, 12:10:54 PM
yeh, your cow deck is amazing.

I wonder if it would work if you don't draw the big herd which lets you take more big herds into your hand early?
I suppose there is a high chance of getting it though, and you have a few turns to draw it until the mana is up and running.



is splashing green into a goblin deck for a few spells viable. thinking 4 rootbound crags and 4 forests and 12 mountains.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2012, 12:18:53 PM
True, I might struggle a bit if I don't get squadron cow. It's only supposed to be a fun deck though, not a super-competitive one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 18, 2012, 12:24:18 PM
It is awesome and hilarious, I was just being grumpy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2012, 12:46:45 PM
Hurrah for cows!


is splashing green into a goblin deck for a few spells viable. thinking 4 rootbound crags and 4 forests and 12 mountains.

I'd avoid it unless the spells you are splashing are really essential to your deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 18, 2012, 09:25:42 PM
smelt vs people abyusing phyrexian metamorph thingys is hilarious.

wait, what, your 1 mana spell just killed my consecrated sphinx?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 12:36:31 AM
I don't know what pyrex whatever is, but I'm sure it serves them right!

I am so disappointed I didn't get to use the super angel I got in sealed.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=239961&type=card)

I only saw it once when you milled it out of my deck!


Sealed is better than constructed for sure.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 12:43:27 AM
How do you get rid of indestructible things

Oblivion ring ?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 12:45:50 AM
That stupid black spell that gives -13/-13 for one mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 19, 2012, 02:09:28 AM
There's many ways, though it never feels like it at the time...

Pretty much spells that avoid the word 'destroy'. There are a few ways. The unfortunate slip or whatever it is called is indeed a good example.

Sorry I didn't get to play more earlier but we should all still have those decks so we can always try again tomorrow. I'm curious to see how lucky I was in that match vs Rufus or whether my deck ain't bad.


The only thing about sealed that I'd put as a negative is that you get what you get to work with which sometimes means someone will get lucky and their cards will sync really nicely and other times, you just end up a bit depressed.

In constructed I guess you only have yourself to blame...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 19, 2012, 07:58:50 AM
How do you get rid of indestructible things

Oblivion ring ?

Spells that either exiles a creture, gives it -X/-X, makes you sacrifice it, bounces it or shuffles it into it's owners library...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 08:59:48 AM
Tragic slip is such a humiliating way to kill a creature. And it makes no sense! 'Your 8/8 angel slip on a banana skin and dies.' Stupid!

The problem with standard constructed is that it starts to feel inevitable after a while. You know what's going to happen!

Sealed is a way better test of deckbuilding skill too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 09:22:44 AM
!

Tapped blocker still deal damage! So, for example, you can assign your Krenko the goblin dude to block, tap him to summon more goblins, and still deal 3 damage to the creature he's blocking!

I was sure you couldn't do that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 19, 2012, 09:31:51 AM
Tragic slip is such a humiliating way to kill a creature. And it makes no sense! 'Your 8/8 angel slip on a banana skin and dies.' Stupid!

The problem with standard constructed is that it starts to feel inevitable after a while. You know what's going to happen!

Sealed is a way better test of deckbuilding skill too.

Maybe you should give modern constructed a shot? The cardpool is much bigger which means that there is an enormous variety of decks you could potencially face. The cardpool contains every tournament legal set from mirrodin 'till m13 so you don't have access to the more silly broken cards from vintage and legacy. Also, it has a bannedlist for cards within the permitted sets that are a little too good found here: http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/resources.aspx?x=judge/resources/sfrmodern (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/resources.aspx?x=judge/resources/sfrmodern)

Then there is allways pauper.

Sealed is fun, but if you really want to test your deckbuling skills draft is the way to go. I don't know if draft is possible in that program thou.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 19, 2012, 09:56:20 AM
I wish they had built it in but alas no, it isn't and I can't think of a way to replicate it unless there is another online program that we could use for that and then just build the deck on gccg.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 10:15:46 AM
I don't know what drafting is. It sounds like a hassle though!

I don't like the sound of modern because it excludes the cards I actually know but still allows about a million I've never seen. I'd rather play standard or legacy.

My cow deck is only legal in legacy! Which is absolutely nothing to do with power level, it just has old cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 10:31:45 AM
Tragic slip is hilarious! Love it.

Interesting tap block rules. I should read the rules really.

Siby, the luck of the cards is what makes sealed good! If you lose, you can just kid yourself that it was because of your cards.

I find it pretty hard to see all the cards properly when making the sealed decks. I like the mtg spoiler website I found for showing cards. It takes me ages to make decks, which is a problem when you are pressed on time.


I don’t mind playing legacy vs standard at all really. It’s just if people do the sort of dodgy and annoying stuff you don’t want to face!

I’m not sure I agree you know whats going to happen in constructed, I only find this a problem when playing random people if no one from here is online.

My last 5 games vs random people I’ve played 3 variants of delver/counter/talrand and 2 variants of consecrated sphinx + phyrexian metamorphs.
Boring! Use different ideas.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 10:37:24 AM
Hey, do planeswalkers count as legends? Or can you have several of the same one in play at once?


My last 5 games vs random people I’ve played 3 variants of delver/counter/talrand and 2 variants of consecrated sphinx + phyrexian metamorphs.
Boring! Use different ideas.

Yes, that's the problem with standard. You end up with two or three decks that everyone plays, with minor variations. Waste of time!

Sealed makes you use more varied decks (you can't just drop four of each powercard in) and makes you use rubbish cards you'd never see in constructed.


I wonder if mythic rare cards are more common on the computer than they are supposed to be, because I seem to have loads of them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 10:51:37 AM
Planeswalkers are really lame, so I’m not looking up the rules.

I don’t find that problem with the games the WE crew play though, really. You don’t even know what a phyrexian metamorph is! And no net decks, now we’ve got a few.

 I enjoy both. If I can get a few more balanced standard decks for variety, and play a good deal of sealed too, I think that’s fine.



 I got loads of really great blue creatures In my deck yesterday, but I needed to exile creatures from my graveyard to cast them and I never got enough cheap creatures out. one was a mythic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 12:06:33 PM
I expect I'm complaining about things that don't matter, as usual!


Quote
Planeswalkers are really lame, so I’m not looking up the rules.

Ha ha! True.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 19, 2012, 12:08:13 PM
I heard everyone complaining about them....even though I like the pretty pictures (that Vampire dude sounds great).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 12:11:10 PM
isn't the black planeswalker a woman?

I just dont think there is too much repetition amongst the standard decks the WE people use.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 19, 2012, 12:12:07 PM
Liliana something yes but there is also a black guy Sorin something...I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 12:16:54 PM
I just dont think there is too much repetition amongst the standard decks the WE people use.

There isn't, you're right. I just talk a lot of rubbish!



This guy, Fandir?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=249985&type=card)

I like black/white as a colour combination. But planeswalkers make no sense to me. The players are supposed to be the planeswalkers!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 12:20:58 PM
sorin markov and sorin lord of innistrad.

markov is not standard legal anymore.

innistrad only costs 4 mana!

The thing I like least about the planeswalkers is there 3rd ability is basically game winning, and people play it as soon as possible, killing the planeswalkers.
Who are they meant to be, you? so you kill yourself to win a game?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 19, 2012, 12:32:58 PM
Well with sorin you just change your skin.....because you can kill the other guys planeswalker and he will join your ranks.....muaahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 01:18:33 PM
Who are they meant to be, you? so you kill yourself to win a game?

I think they are meant to be other players who ally with you for a while. That number in the corner isn't their life total, it's their loyalty to you.

It still makes no sense. For example, that Sorkin guy likes making vampires so much that he becomes more loyal to you if you let him... but he's not so happy about using his other powers so if you want him to he leaves after a while.

Whatever.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 04:05:41 PM
I'm on now, early because i had to come home to sort out estate agents.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 19, 2012, 04:21:58 PM
How did it go? Still on sick leave (most likely till tuesday) but I have to feed all three starving girls....with something called Zaubertopf....it has ron weasley on the cover of the instant sauce thingy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 04:48:12 PM
I posted in the happy random thought thread! they are a bit annoying...

hope you get on later fandir. I am going out to bank now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 19, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
My werewolf deck is really pleasing me. Even when I get on the ropes, it actually rewards you for not playing stuff by pumping all your guys up.

Still maybe a horrendous match against certain types of deck, but I edged the narrowest of victories on the zombies thanks to my huntsmaster mainly. The two multi-colour cards in there are so essential.


I can't argue that it takes aaages to make a deck, but with just playing amongst ourselves, I think the standard games are pretty back and forth. We all like to have a go at silly theme decks too which is cool cos they are nearly always big win or big lose.  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
good thing the goblins kept their end of the bargain up ;)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 19, 2012, 09:12:08 PM
Well, I was gonna install the program today, but I got promoted and called into work, so it'll have to wait.

Re: Planeswalkers, they're kindof like legends...you can only have one a planeswalker of a given name in play at a time.  So you can't have multiples Jace's in play, even if they're different versions.  Pretty inuitive, IMO.  I do dislike planeswalkers on principle; a new class of cards that are inherantly better than the other types of cards, which are all mythic rare.  Pure money grab.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 09:36:37 PM
Mythic rares are a good reason not to buy real magic cards. Horrible idea!


How do you pm people on the magic program? People keep doing it to me but I can't make it work!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 10:21:26 PM
who keeps pming you?

I cant make it work.

If you type someones name it sort of alerts the programme
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 19, 2012, 10:39:40 PM
I think you do it like this

Rufus: hello

As an example but you have to get the name exactly right. And I think the : is vital.  We should experimemt when 3 of us are in there to see who can see what.

If you include someone's name in a sentence that usually pops up in their little box at the bottom too, but not just to them.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 19, 2012, 10:42:14 PM
I got it installed, built my first deck, and it's nice! Takes a bit to wrap your head around the fact that you have to do everything yourself (no counting mana by the program or anything like that), and then it's awesome.
 :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 10:44:34 PM
If you include someone's name in a sentence that usually pops up in their little box at the bottom too, but not just to them.

Ah, that's what I keep getting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 19, 2012, 10:49:37 PM
and I didn't include her into my deck because really, that's fucking ridiculous.

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/zen/13.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 10:57:21 PM
Ah, siberius has used that against me before.

I got it installed, built my first deck, and it's nice! Takes a bit to wrap your head around the fact that you have to do everything yourself (no counting mana by the program or anything like that), and then it's awesome.
 :-D

right. I guess it would be quite a complex programme to have all the rules and stuff in. It's still awesome though
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 19, 2012, 11:05:00 PM
Ah, siberius has used that against me before.

He has? Oh. Then I'll include it of course.
 :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 11:09:33 PM
Are you done for the night? You're still on the programme!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 11:13:48 PM
Tired rufus is grumpy. Sorry Finlay!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 11:32:27 PM


rules question!

Elesh norn is in play (-2/-2 to opposition)

fiend hunter is cast, exiles her.

thankfully fiend hunter is 1/3 so he doesnt die from the ability, but if the fiend hunter was 1/2, would he come on, get -2/-2'd before he could exile her? or come on, exilve her and not get -2/-2'd?

Tired rufus is grumpy. Sorry Finlay!
Don't be sorry, but I dont see why you'd come on if you werent going to enjoy it that night! It will just make you crosser and then think you hate magic.
Which is impossible because it's amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 19, 2012, 11:35:03 PM
Tired rufus is grumpy. Sorry Finlay!

Now I feel bad.
 :icon_neutral:

Is my deck too nasty?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 19, 2012, 11:36:18 PM
No I'm just in a bad mood. Shouldn't have played magic at all!

My fault.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 19, 2012, 11:37:34 PM
Just look at it this way: you just gave me 10 dollars. You are an altruist! You should feel good about yourself.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 11:39:30 PM
now you have more than enough money for sealed decks aldaris.

You can start to learn the new sets!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 19, 2012, 11:42:31 PM
Nice! I just looked at a couple so far. Basically, I was looking for ridiculously large/expensive/highly rated creatures to reanimate, but that was about it. And some spells I stumbled upon while browsing through the deck builder, such as killing wave.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 19, 2012, 11:48:16 PM
I find mtg salvation the clearest website layout of sets.

http://mtgsalvation.com/magic-2013-m13-spoiler.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 19, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Wizard's own interface, Gatherer (just google MTG gatherer) has an awesome search engine.  It's what I use to build decks, usually.  Using its advanced search option, you can search by Power/Toughness, casting cost, set, format, and anything else, in any combination.  And it has all the art for the card, too, for every version ever printed of that card.  Great resource.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 20, 2012, 01:32:15 AM
I admit I use that angel, but if you give me enough time to get it out it's your own fault.

I don't often get her on the field, so I don't feel too bad, plus I only have the one in that deck.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 08:28:04 AM
I wish I hadn't deleted my cow deck! Stupid anger.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 20, 2012, 10:06:19 AM
Why on earth would you do that?

Also, dunno if it is any help but I have beem calling my decks names that start with a little thing to differenciate my standaed decks from my others. Eg:

*werewolf

It is pretty effective as it keeps them seperate too as all the * ones are at the top of my list.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 20, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
Because they got pecked to death, then goblined to death.
Never mind the fact they trampled me to death I think three times the night before!

Imagine if you just burned your real cards if your decks lost twice in a row.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 10:23:40 AM
I know, I'm an idiot!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 10:50:32 AM
Haha! I just made a vampire deck! Yeah!

No more cheating humans for me. That stupid champion of the parish is no fun at all.


My version of standard by the way is the inistrad block + magic 2013!



Remade the cow deck too, though I can't remember everything that was in it.

I think I want this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=205003&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 20, 2012, 11:31:31 AM
Haha! I just made a vampire deck! Yeah!

Drat! That's what I wanted to do next.
 :-D

Oh well. Enough cool themes left to do. Perhaps I need to look at making a REALLY annoying blue one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 20, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
Good card, but perhaps you overpay because the cows have trample anyway?

Rufus, wont you just have a cheating vampire deck instead of a cheating human one now? :p

No one wants to play an annoying blue deck Aldaris, it’ll be annoying.

I would say I could play at lunch today, but my laptop takes ages to turn on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 20, 2012, 12:05:05 PM
...but my laptop takes ages to turn on.

Do you need to get it drunk first?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 20, 2012, 12:06:38 PM
inappropriate joke about it being 6 years old.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 01:41:04 PM
Hey, all the cards I had from when we did mercadia block sealed have vanished! They aren't in my normal collection nor in my sealed one.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. Why would my cards disappear? I didn't sell them.


Also, is it my imagination or is red a bit rubbish in the innistrad block?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 20, 2012, 03:28:27 PM
You haven't set it on display standard legal or something? I can't figure it out really.

Dunno, can't you make a good werewolf deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 03:36:16 PM
I think the cards are just lost. I do remember quitting while still in sealed mode, so maybe that somehow made me lose them. But I can't say I miss them anyway!

Has anyone else ever lost cards on this program?


Hmmm, red/green werewolves maybe. Nothing very inspiring in red though! And I normally like red a lot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 20, 2012, 03:56:15 PM
Try going back and /sealed end again?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 03:58:50 PM
I did that too. The cards are lost!

But it's OK.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 20, 2012, 04:12:47 PM
They deserved to be lost. Apart From the pirate ships.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 04:21:50 PM
Yeh. Bad cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 20, 2012, 04:22:53 PM
I have never lost cards so that is weird.

Maybe they are hiding or I guess it is possible it just glitched.

Also, I reckon red can be nifty. My werewolves are pretty fast and brutal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 20, 2012, 09:17:40 PM
Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains! I like zombies.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 10:09:34 PM
Too late for the four player game and now I'm the fifth wheel! Depressing.

And I got two 'mythic rare' planeswalkers out of six pretend booster packs. Two! I'm haunted by the wretched things.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 20, 2012, 10:12:25 PM
they are your alter ego....s


we will be done soon and I might either play vs you oor go to bed what is preferred.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 10:20:08 PM
I bet you all just play four player games and ignore me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 20, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Too late for the four player game and now I'm the fifth wheel! Depressing.

And I got two 'mythic rare' planeswalkers out of six pretend booster packs. Two! I'm haunted by the wretched things.

Give them to me, once I finally get on.   :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 10:28:43 PM
Ha ha!

They aren't all that good, I think. It's the black and red ones from magic 2013. I might actually have two copies of the black one now!

I also have the blue and green ones, and the werewolf green one from inistrad.

So many planeswalkers!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 20, 2012, 10:34:19 PM
I go a really good mythic vampire... you play with top card of lib revealed, if it is black all vampires get 1/1 and flying.

But of course I had no other vampires.

ths is taking forever
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 10:40:25 PM
ths is taking forever

Tell me about it!

Whenever I go on this site I have to wait ages to play someone, and then I'm annoyed and have a bad time!

Well, yesterday and today anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 20, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
we're almost done...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 20, 2012, 10:57:25 PM
Just think how it was for me before you lot showed up!  :-P


Quick screenshot from our epic 4 player:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/4playermadness.jpg)

I got really lucky that I had 2 perfectly timed instants when fandir near killed the game on us. And poor old notts with his amazing mana poop but nothing to cast  :|. Still, it was mad and fun. We should do it again sometime!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 11:00:46 PM
Gosh, I love having a hand full of black spells and nothing but forests on the board.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 20, 2012, 11:11:52 PM
I really enjoyd that four player game...Rufus I hope you can enjoy the next couple of games.

or update Bogenhafen...or Death at the Reik.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 20, 2012, 11:14:28 PM
I should have tried to play someone else instead of waiting. I hate waiting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 21, 2012, 12:12:47 AM
I need to take a break from magic. I'm no fun to play anymore!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 21, 2012, 01:35:13 AM
I have some standard decks I wanna test but you're all in bed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 21, 2012, 10:15:43 AM
I wanna try a new legacy deck. who's in??
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 21, 2012, 09:10:58 PM
rockabill, you're always on at dodgy times!

What country are you from?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Feanor Fire Heart on July 21, 2012, 09:17:42 PM
I little love letter from adventure time to magic the gathering
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqnJ3TgZNdo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqnJ3TgZNdo)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 21, 2012, 09:28:56 PM
I little love letter from adventure time to magic the gathering
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqnJ3TgZNdo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqnJ3TgZNdo)

That was awesome.  I particularly liked all the the corn jokes, since I always play with Plains.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Feanor Fire Heart on July 21, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
way beack when I used to play I always used white and blue.  Havnt played in forever and I have no idea what happened to my cards.


anyone know if Magic: The Gathering - Duels of the Planeswalkers 2013 is any good?  May get my MtG fix this way but would like some opponents.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 21, 2012, 10:48:12 PM
Boo to humans!

They get me everytime... I don't think it helps that I like to build slow decks and there are too many things that eat creatures for breakfast...

I will have my vengeance though! :evil:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 21, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
Boo to humans!

They get me everytime... I don't think it helps that I like to build slow decks and there are too many things that eat creatures for breakfast...

I will have my vengeance though! :evil:

Engineered Plague, anyone?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 21, 2012, 11:53:49 PM
My vampire deck = stupid.

4 games, 4 wins!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 22, 2012, 12:39:55 AM
I had that with my werewolves too though...

I'll find something that can beat it...!

Maybe. I guess I could build an anti vampire deck but that would be totally sucky (no pun intended) against anything else!

But I like the idea of humans with stakes... it's an actual equipment now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 22, 2012, 12:51:05 AM
riders of gavony vs werewolves!

amazing.


Didnt work vs the vamps because they fly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 22, 2012, 12:57:08 AM
I think that would hurt me big time...

Trying to think if I have one of them that gets intimidate... plus I think I have a couple of burn spells...

Having said that, I have protection in my wall deck but I couldn't get it out!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 22, 2012, 01:04:45 AM
Using the riders against the poor cows was really mean!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 22, 2012, 03:05:06 AM
rockabill, you're always on at dodgy times!

What country are you from?

I live in Australia, so yeah there is a time issue :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 22, 2012, 09:34:48 AM
I played you once! Not sure what time that was though.


I think I want a werewolf deck.


Does anyone know what the werewolf/transforming cards look like in real life? Do you just get two cards in the pack, before and after? I'm curious.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 22, 2012, 03:41:19 PM
Apparently they are 2 sided!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 22, 2012, 03:46:07 PM
But surely you can see them in your deck then!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 22, 2012, 04:31:19 PM
I believe they are doing tokens in the boosters that you can slip in it's place and then plonk down the real card as and when. Course if you use sleeves you'll be fine...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 22, 2012, 05:00:18 PM
That seems more complicated than making two cards and putting both in the pack!

The card sleeves I use are transparent so wouldn't help.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 22, 2012, 11:57:14 PM
Does anyone know what the werewolf/transforming cards look like in real life? Do you just get two cards in the pack, before and after? I'm curious.

They are, indeed, two-sided.  I've never had a problem, but amongst my friends and at the places I play, opaque sleeves are nearly universal.  The boosters do include proxy cards in case you don't have opaque sleeves.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 23, 2012, 02:21:48 AM
Think I know what my main problem is.

I like to build decks with some variety which means it often doesn't work out how I would hope.

I am gonna try and have more 4 repeat decks.

Playing Rufus 4 times in a row, it was like he got everything he needed each time, just when needed. Good deck building I would say!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 23, 2012, 02:27:34 AM
Think I know what my main problem is.

I like to build decks with some variety which means it often doesn't work out how I would hope.

I am gonna try and have more 4 repeat decks.

Playing Rufus 4 times in a row, it was like he got everything he needed each time, just when needed. Good deck building I would say!

I definitely would recommend doing so.  The general rule is:
If you want to see the card in your opening hand every time, take 4.
If you want to see the card at some point every game, take 3.
If you want to see the card late in the game or only in certain situations, include 2.
If you rarely want to see a card or only want to tutor for it, include 1.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on July 23, 2012, 03:08:51 AM
quick question:
I cannot have a legendary creature more than once in the battlefield (eg. two emarkul in the battlefield). Thhat doesnot prevent me from having them in my deck/hand etc right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 23, 2012, 03:33:14 AM
Correct, and as I forgot the other day, you and your opponent can't have the same one on the field at the same time.

Though between you there could be 8 total in your decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 23, 2012, 03:41:43 AM
The more you play and build decks too, the more you realise how hard it is to find the balance between fun and competitive.

For eg, as soon as someone starts doing well most every game, they start thinking that maybe it is too good. But that happens a lot.

And then certain cards seem rediculous but, really they often don't do a whole lot. I am often pulling out odd cards that people go Whaaat? but then it doesn't end up being all that important in the game.

All these things are so hard to make hard and fast rulings on. Hence I think why we gave up trying to make our own ban list.



I do like the idea of some 'common only' decks though for a different slant... what do you guys reckon?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 08:22:03 AM
The more you play and build decks too, the more you realise how hard it is to find the balance between fun and competitive.

Definitely!

I do think both my vampire deck and my human deck are powergamey though. I've made a new ghost deck that I am sure will be less effective!


Quote
I do like the idea of some 'common only' decks though for a different slant... what do you guys reckon?

I actually started to make one of those the other day. But I didn't finish it. I like the idea if other people make them too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 23, 2012, 09:02:02 AM
There are evil common cards....and crappy rare cards I think everyone can at some point get what combos are pretty much broken and which are not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 09:49:16 AM
Siby, I do agree, but I also think a small sample size can lead to rash decisions on a deck.

The first two games I played with my elf goblin deck I lost but it performed reasonably well so I thought it was fine.
Then I lost the third game… fourth game… eventually losing 10 games before it won!

So I decided it was too shit, changed it to pure goblins, and win more than half the games with the goblins now.

I think it can be very matchup based too. Rufus spanked me with his cow deck 2 or three times in a row, then I played him with my birds who don’t have to worry about being blocked, and my new human deck with riders of gavony. “protection from aurochs”- nothing in rufus’ deck to remove the riders, game over.

Then rufus played me with his vampires, and I had no means to stop him without pacifying/oblivion ringing everything, which didn’t work.

I think we can try to build quite a lot of decks and then if a matchup is unfair it can be swapped.
And also play sealed. (You should sort out the m13 pictures siby!)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 23, 2012, 09:53:24 AM
I would sort them out except I guess mofo wasn't joking as they have it plastered across the top of the screen that issues can't be sorted till august.  :icon_frown:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 10:06:26 AM
I also think a small sample size can lead to rash decisions on a deck.

I am the king of that!

Not lost once with vampires though, and humans hardly ever lose either.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 23, 2012, 10:11:20 AM
Perhaps we should play with sideboards more often as the worst decks ride on the shoulders of one "trick" like super lightning boots or one legend that allows you to put down 4 lands each turn or every creature sharing vampire, zombie or human.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 10:13:30 AM
You can't really use sideboards unless you always play best of three. And you still can't prepare for everything anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 23, 2012, 10:19:38 AM
true.....so I guess we leave it as it is ...and I donīt mind losing
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on July 23, 2012, 10:26:23 AM
You can't really use sideboards unless you always play best of three.

If you want to play to see who is better/has the better deck, AKA competitive, best of 3 is the minimum IMO. And if you don't there is little point for sideboards, because you can just alter your deck if you know you're playing something you can't beat.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 10:29:50 AM
Alter your deck? No way!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 23, 2012, 10:37:08 AM
Destroy it!
 :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 10:38:09 AM
Ha, that's right!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 11:21:04 AM
I think sideboards is not a bad idea, I do like to try and play best of three if we can. I’m not sure how it works.
Rufus, if you think your humans are too powerful, why don’t you take out a few of the best creatures? Ie champion of parish!

I don’t mind losing, but it’s not so much fun if you lose every game. Or if the games are not close at all, or if you know that you literally have no chance. That’s why I don’t really like playing combo decks.

 My favourite games have been the ones where I got the enemy down to one health and then lost! Good fun.

I played this dude quite late on Saturday night. He had control of the board, on 9 health, and I just got annoyed and conceded. Then he insisted on showing me his plan- using 3 cards: one which hurts the enemy if you sac your own creatures, one which brings back creatures you have saced, and another one I forget.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 23, 2012, 11:38:13 AM
I think sideboards might be a goodly idea too. I might put some in. I'd say keep your good decks the same and maybe see if sideboards help even the score. With the primary creatures currently seeming to be humans, zombies, vamps and werewolves there will be the option to switch in some nifty anti-whatnot in particular stuff. Could even things up a bit.

I think I got Rufus down to one health with his humans last night before he killed me. Or at least he maybe had 5 and I had the spell on top of my library that would have finished it. So it's not a totally invincible deck.... just feels like it  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 11:57:14 AM
I think I’ve goblined it in the past. Speed before it gets ready!
I could put in those quivers to pew pew your werewolves siby.

Might try and make angel deck today.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 23, 2012, 12:06:48 PM
Thankfully  I think there are some nice anti-human things too. I forget what as I always ignore them as too situational.

Could really make for some close game 2 and 3s...

A stake or 2 incase of vampires, quivers for the wolves, whatever on earth is bad for zombies...

And in black decks you could take an alternative for doom blade incase you face another black deck!

So many options...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 12:09:15 PM
I sdont think stakes will help vs rufus vampires. They fly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 12:09:57 PM
I'm not using sideboards, but other people can if they want.


Quote from: Finlay
Rufus, if you think your humans are too powerful, why don’t you take out a few of the best creatures? Ie champion of parish!

Let's not go crazy!

My ghost deck is ready to ghost people anyway.


I think I got Rufus down to one health with his humans last night before he killed me. Or at least he maybe had 5 and I had the spell on top of my library that would have finished it.

In one game you got me down to 4 or 5, but it allowed me to win because of my doomsayer's +2/+2 to everyone from fateful hour!

And in another you did indeed lose one turn before you could lava axe me. So it was very close in at least two games!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 23, 2012, 12:10:45 PM
Hurricane...green spell kills flyers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 12:11:50 PM
I took the riders of gavony out. Unfair vs tribal decks which people seem to run from WE.



blazing torch might be better than stakes.

hurricane not standard legal
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 12:15:18 PM
There's a vampire that makes your opponent lose a life (and you gain a life) any time a creature dies. Discourages mass removal!

Riders are a sideboard card really. Like tormod's crypt against anyone who wants to use their graveyard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 12:25:09 PM
look at this balance!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240033&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240173&type=card)

insane.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
That's the infamous 'ultra-rare so it's fine if it's ludicrously good' thing in action again.

Herons are pretty mean though! They're big and a bit scary up close.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 12:56:53 PM
It's not even expensive to buy on ebay though.

Especially if you're a frog.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 01:26:30 PM
Maybe people don't want to play green/white decks, so it's not as much in demand as it otherwise would be?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 01:54:45 PM
Should I use it in an angel deck? seems a bit mean.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 03:43:05 PM
Go for it, and see if you upset people!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 23, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
I am upset....take it out again....Hmm might be I am not upset with your magic deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 03:57:20 PM
Everyone seems to have ludicrously overpowered creatures these days, so heron-woman isn't so bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 04:12:08 PM
It’s not how powerful she is per se, it’s how cheap she is!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 04:17:33 PM
Yeh, that's what I mean by powerful. She's actually useful in most games, unlike, say, Avicyn herself who costs eight mana.

There's a blue/white one too, but her special power is all about creature enchantments so I'm not interested.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 04:19:00 PM
you normally get 8 mana by the end of the game though... I think avacyn is pretty good! I've got her in my human deck just because i think it fits quite fluffily, but only one copy, and I haven't got to use her yet. Haven't even drawn her.


I can't make an angel deck. too slow!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 04:24:44 PM
Unless it's a slow game an 8 mana card is just going to sit uselessly in your hand until it's far too late for it to be of any use. That one I have that becomes indestructible if you have a human is better, since it only costs 5 mana and still does the trick.


Quote
I can't make an angel deck. too slow!

Use mana elves to help pay for them?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 23, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
I'm curious on what you guys think of board sweepers like "day of judgement", "mutilate", "barter in blood" etc. In the current enviroment I don't think Host of Herons is so bad. In the days of Erhnam Djinn and Serra Angel Herons might have been considered broken. But even back then, there would have been answers to her.

Personally, I'm fine with aggressivly costed bombs such as Herons or this guy:

(http://www.svenskamagic.com/cardpics/darkascension/drogskolreaver.full.jpg)

What I really can't stand is planeswalkers. Any planeswalkers! I friggin' hate them and refuse to run them myself.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 06:09:38 PM
Quote
I'm curious on what you guys think of board sweepers like "day of judgement", "mutilate", "barter in blood" etc.

They're OK, but I haven't really made any decks that can use them. I think I have mutilate in my vampire deck.


Hey, how did I miss that guy for my blue/white ghost deck! What set is he from? Maybe it's the lame artifact set that I'm ignoring for basically no reason. Mind you, it's a bit expensive.

I agree on the planeswalkers, but I do use them if I get one in sealed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 08:00:51 PM
I hate the board sweeper spells! But only because I tend to run creature decks.

They might be a bit cheap.

But it all falls under the "rock, paper, scissor" dynamic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 23, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
Rufus, you don't carry board sweep spells because you always have 3 times as many creatures out  :-P

I have that flying blue white guy in one of my decks.

The thing to remember about these powerful creatures if that for the most part they are a bit expensive and often times they do zip because your opponent knows something big is coming and they block it with a 2mana counter or some such. Very sad.  :-P

I did manage to get Iona out against Rockabill yesterday though again. Even though I only have one of her in my deck she always seems to pop into my hand. I love my old wall deck...  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 23, 2012, 09:29:05 PM
Soldiers....assemble
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 11:43:23 PM
Rufus, you don't carry board sweep spells because you always have 3 times as many creatures out  :-P

Ha ha!



Trepanation for the nation:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=221186&type=card)

This milled the crap out of Finlay! Amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2012, 11:45:07 PM
equip that on something with intimidate, fly or trample.

I think I am meant to say who blocks the person with it before I reveal the cards though.

Also, it would suck vs someone who was using their graveyard!

I got this interesting vampire, and didnt get to use her in any of the 5 games!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247235&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2012, 11:48:12 PM
Maybe my ghosts need it. Not that I've used my new ghost deck yet!

Oh, and the cards are revealed before you declare blockers.

You did get to cast her, but she got burned.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 24, 2012, 01:09:35 AM
I'm beginning to warm to some of the Mirrodin stuff....

Which is probably silly as that'll be the next thing to go right?

Course Noibn artifacted me to death today by day of judgement followed by 4 darksteel colusses all in the same turn!

Not much to do after that than pick up your cards :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2012, 08:39:34 AM
I'm beginning to warm to some of the Mirrodin stuff....

Which is probably silly as that'll be the next thing to go right?


That's why I'm not using any of it. Limited shelf life!


You were on the site before I went to bed last night, but you were unresponsive! I wanted to play, too... it was sad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 24, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
Yeh, I don't even look at the mirrodin stuff when I am designing decks.

Although I could add some of the dual white/green lands
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
I think I was going to use some of the lands, but they were expensive to buy so I didn't bother.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 24, 2012, 09:48:38 AM
Sorry Rufus! Sometimes I load it up intending to come back and do some deck building but because it takes a couple of minutes to load I head off to do something else and then forget it is on or can't get back here for a while.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2012, 10:03:24 AM
I cried myself to sleep that night!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 24, 2012, 10:27:05 AM
Well it was worth it after all then!  :happy:

I am on now but none of you are! Except Rockabill who is keeping very quiet...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
This is not a good time for me! Besides, I don't like you anymore.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 24, 2012, 10:30:34 AM
You'll like me well enough again once I've lost a few more games to your superhuman humans...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2012, 10:47:06 AM
I made a red deck that might be quite good, so I'm keen to use that next time. And the ghost deck. Humans are on a break!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 24, 2012, 11:46:47 AM
Just beat one of the regulars with my new blue deck, woo!

Maybe it will perform ok... It certainly felt like I had what I wanted pretty much when I needed it...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 24, 2012, 11:50:27 AM
I think we qualify as regulars now!

they seem a bit unfriendly though. And I wonder if our influx caused the badnwidth problems
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 24, 2012, 09:41:00 PM
I think we broke the website!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2012, 10:03:39 PM
Even Finlay is ignoring me now!  :icon_cry:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2012, 11:58:36 PM
How did I miss drogskol captain for my ghost deck! +1/+1 and hexproof for ghosts!

Rufus is stupid.

Adding!


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=244773&type=card)



What's this EDH thing people keep wanting to play?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 25, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
Do I want this in my ghost deck?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=262706&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 25, 2012, 09:38:28 AM
Hmmmm....no but I should put it in the zoooooombieeeees deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 25, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
I think I want to do a blue/black zombie deck, and a red/green werewolf deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 25, 2012, 10:42:43 AM
Make that blue black green....more fun with zombie elves and zombie plants (that fly).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 25, 2012, 10:45:17 AM
True, but I'm only making standard-legal decks at the moment, for some reason.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 25, 2012, 10:52:34 AM
Still some good green zombies.
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID21272/images/grave_titan.jpg)
You got to be kidding...right?



ghoultree 8 mana with 1 less cost for  each creature in graveyard 10 /10

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 25, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
True, but I'm only making standard-legal decks at the moment, for some reason.
to try and have some semblence of balance?


Some of the games I play vs randomers make me angry!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 25, 2012, 08:47:36 PM
I've only played people I know from here!

I'm scared of getting stuck playing an idiot, and being depressed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 25, 2012, 08:50:34 PM
Just made a blue black zombie deck last night. No real need to try and squeeze in green.

Hoping to get on there today at some point...

I have played a couple of randoms and unfortuantely they seem to mostly play multiple planeswalkers and decks that just stall you. I usually find myself wanting to click lose halfway through.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 25, 2012, 08:53:26 PM
Or turn the modem off and claim you lost your connection!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 25, 2012, 08:59:35 PM
I like to be annoyed by people so I guess I should play regulars at some point.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 25, 2012, 09:02:03 PM
I can annoy you any time you want. I'm very annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 25, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
No you are not.

ARe you still online...hmm on the other hand if I donīt play magic against you and kill more Japanese you might update the Bogenhafen thread.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 25, 2012, 09:09:53 PM

I have played a couple of randoms and unfortuantely they seem to mostly play multiple planeswalkers and decks that just stall you. I usually find myself wanting to click lose halfway through.

yes!
I got nicol bolased in the face after being stalled with annoying artifacts.
no thanks.


me and noibn are on. come on in more people!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 25, 2012, 09:51:49 PM
Well, I'm on now!

And definitely not using Nicole Bolas.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 25, 2012, 10:44:42 PM
Truth be told, Noibn often makes me want to do that too.  :-P

I just conceded a game with 20 life still intact. That's how under control I was.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 25, 2012, 10:46:42 PM
Wow, I'm really not in the right mood for magic tonight. Grumpy!

I didn't even play properly.

And then I deleted all my decks again. Maybe I've had enough of magic. We'll see if I have a radical change of mind by tomorrow (usually I do).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 09:01:36 AM
I'm disillusioned with constructed. I want to play sealed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 26, 2012, 09:06:27 AM
Sealed is fun....but I would say we should play it a bit different from now on....how about we play ante games? First card ont he library is the ante card and goes to the winner after the game should be easy enough to just add the card to the deck and we donīt care if it is still sealed legal.

No regrets yet that you destroyed your decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 10:00:14 AM
I can make new decks if I want. But I'll be happy if I never have to see 'first turn champion of the parish, second turn gather the bloody townsfolk' again. It's lame from either side of the table.

I don't see the point of playing for ante. I hate the idea of losing cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 26, 2012, 10:02:41 AM
I like the pressure of winning/losing stuff but as you might have noticed I am easy to please so I donīt mind playing without ante.

Will stomp you either way so there isnīt a problem for me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 26, 2012, 10:13:02 AM
Truth be told, Noibn often makes me want to do that too.  :-P

I just conceded a game with 20 life still intact. That's how under control I was.  :ph34r:

Yes, I feel kind of bad about my decks. Lose or win, they're just no fun. I scrapped alot of my experimental t2 decks earlier, because I was playing vs alot of regulars there and my old decks would just fold as soon as the inevitable planeswalker showed up. The decks I kept were geared towards surving early game beatdowns a la humans etc, and packed with with whatever removal spells I could find to combat opposing planeswalkers without having to use planeswalkers myself. The end result were 3 quite boring (but atleast somewhat competative) decks. One mono white and artefact control deck. One mono black control deck, and one Human weenie deck.

Of these, the human deck was the most fun to play because it didn't just play land, pass the turn and play mass removal spells as soon as the opponent had commited to the board. On the other hand it was filled with cost effective hard hitting creatures that would swing for the win on turn 3 or 4 if the opponent didn't draw the right answer. Sort of a braindead deck to play in that sence. 

I abandoned t2 decks because of that and focused more on modern. Modern has access to more broken stuff, but it doesn't make use of planeswalkers as much which makes it worth it to me. The cardpool is greater too, so there is a greater variety of decks. But if one is not of a competative mindset modern is not really a fun format either.

I deleted the rest of my t2 decks and sat down to try and build a "fun" one. I went for red as I've not used that color much in t2 but I soon realized that it doesn't matter. Cheap burn spells and fast creatures or cheap burns spells and heavy hitting slow creatures is basically what I can come up with. And I have the feeling that if I make a gobbo deck, or a dragon deck it would still not be a fun deck to play against. I had built a green stompy deck before and the cards I had thought were "fun" and "fluffy" were apperently powerhouses.

Maybe it's just me, but I find it impossible to build a "fun" constructed deck in t2.

The most fun I had was when we played that 4 man game because it swung back and forth, was really tight and in the end it came down to "fog" for the win. I mean, how often does that happen? =)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 26, 2012, 10:17:17 AM
How about highlander decks then? Only 1 x of any given card (apart from basic lands) allowed?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 26, 2012, 10:27:16 AM
Highlander sounds fun.

I’m not disillusioned with constructed though, I normally have fun doing either. I only don’t enjoy planeswalkers, or  playing vs control when you just know you’ve lost after about 3 turns and have nothing to do about it, but just sit there slowly waiting to die.

Sealed takes too long for me, especially if rufus doesn’t come online till 11. I can’t stay up till 1 every night.

Rufus, just don’t take champions of the parish. There are plenty of other white humans to play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 10:29:56 AM
I knew I'd lost that game against your humans (Noibn) on turn one when you had a champion of the parish and I didn't!


Quote from: Noibn
Maybe it's just me, but I find it impossible to build a "fun" constructed deck in t2.

Yeh. Competitive decks are either too fast or too controlling. Sealed games tend to be more fun because they are decided much later, have more variety, and are usually a lot closer.

I've played standard games that go like that, but they are the exception. And it's not even hard to make a powerful deck! My vampire deck required absolutely no thought to assemble. I just went through the available vampires and chose all the best ones. It played itself too.


How about highlander decks then? Only 1 x of any given card (apart from basic lands) allowed?

That could be a good idea!

Allowing four of a kind does make decks inevitable and boring.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 10:35:05 AM
Shall we make highlander decks then?

I have no standard deck now anyway, so can't play that unless I make new ones. Which I don't want to do.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 26, 2012, 10:37:54 AM
yeh, make some highlander.

Also, if you can get on in the day before 11, you could make your sealed deck. and then I can make a sealed deck as soon as I get home, and then whenever anyone comes on we'd be ready

Quote
Sealed games tend to be more fun because they are decided much later, have more variety, and are usually a lot closer.

I always lose sealed! but it's because I'm crap at deck construction.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 10:41:16 AM
You need more practice then! Making constructed decks doesn't count, it's too easy.

OK, will make a sealed deck at some point during the day (it takes like 10 minutes). And will make a highlander deck. I'd prefer to stick to standard (meaning innistrad block) because I can't be bothered to read a load of cards from years ago.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 26, 2012, 10:47:00 AM
I just look through the cards and see what two colours have the best spells, then chuck them in with 9 lands of each colour.


noibn, is highlander the same as edh?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 10:50:55 AM
That should work.

I think EDH means 'elder dragon highlander.' I'm not sure where the dragon comes in!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 26, 2012, 11:16:40 AM
I am all for highlander as that is how I always kinda want to build decks anyway and I get caught halfway between that and being sensible, resulting in a rather unpredictable deck.


Oddly, I think I am actually pretty decent in sealed. Unlike constructed where I am very hit or miss. I played two games last night, one was a total thrashing by me, the other to me, both with the same deck!



When I get a chance I will build myself a highlander deck. Are we keeping in standard for those right now then?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 26, 2012, 11:25:00 AM
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/393

100 card decks!
banned list!

or are we just doing standard but only 1 of each card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 12:10:15 PM
I'm never going to get through making a 100-card deck from individual cards! Tedious.

I'll do a 60 card innistrad block deck with no repeated cards apart from basic lands though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 26, 2012, 12:59:31 PM
Come on Rufus!  I'd like mine to be legal incase I play anyone else. Just think, a 3rd of the extra cards you have to put in will be lands!

As all you guys have been using the humans lately my first deck is gonna be blue white black human I think... For the most part...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 26, 2012, 01:03:37 PM
Canīt everyone else just make the 100 card decks? I donīt think it is an unfair advantage if Rufus only has 60 cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 26, 2012, 01:11:01 PM
I’d probably rather not do 100 to start with anyway. And I probably can’t be bothered to look at every card ever!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 26, 2012, 01:21:22 PM
Thought we were sticking to standard.

But yeh, I suppose size doesn't matter too bad.

If you want to make things way easier, use Gatherer, very handy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 01:22:49 PM
I'm not sure I can be bothered to do a 60 card deck even!

I've lost the will to magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 01:58:49 PM
OK, made a deck: highlander, 100 cards, red/blue, innistrad block + magic 2013, no rare cards (not sure if that was a rule, but whatever).

Are people going to use the mirrodin cards? I hope not!


Will do a sealed deck too.

edit: sealed done. Another mythic angel! But the deck sucks otherwise.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 26, 2012, 02:12:44 PM
I might or might not be able to participate in this fantastic drawing of random cards this evening/night.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 02:14:03 PM
I suspect the highlander decks will be annoying.

I don't see any advantage over playing sealed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 26, 2012, 02:14:57 PM
Could be but on the other hand you can blame nobody but yourself for the cards in there....

damn it is hot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 02:25:26 PM
I made mine by choosing two colours and clicking on virtually every card for those colours. So it's just a big deck of random stuff with absolutely no theme or plan. I'm not sure what the point of that is!

The delete button awaits...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 26, 2012, 08:16:02 PM
I'm having major problems getting mine down to a sensible size... so many humans... I may have to eradicate black altogether, though that would be sad...

Why does everyone go crazy with the deleting? It's not like there is a limit on number of decks you can have...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 26, 2012, 08:59:22 PM
I think i'm playing a frenchman.

or a child.

slow!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 09:08:45 PM
I'm on now!

Waiting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 26, 2012, 09:10:43 PM
I am ready but I have to make a deck
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 09:12:23 PM
I thought we were doing sealed?


Boooooo, no one's playing me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 26, 2012, 09:34:28 PM
I am out for now...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 26, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
Ive not made a highlander deck yet.

but my sealed is ready! got some stuff to do, but will be around for a game or two
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 09:41:39 PM
Don't want to play highlander anyway!

Sealed!

My deck is awful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 26, 2012, 09:42:36 PM
make a new sealed one I wait.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 09:45:06 PM
You're supposed to just put up with having a rubbish deck in sealed! You aren't allowed to change it at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 26, 2012, 09:51:23 PM
just leave sealed, re enter and buy new cards!

if it really is awful
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 26, 2012, 09:54:16 PM
Yes no point in having no fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
But I want to have something to complain about.

My deck really is terrible though.

I blame the mythic angel for making me choose bad colours!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 26, 2012, 10:41:38 PM
Rufus is stubborn as hell.

Still great fun was had...sleep well other addicts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 10:45:56 PM
Yes I am!

Thanks though! It was kind of you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 11:02:24 PM
Ha ha! I won at last.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 11:45:23 PM
I only picked red and white for this wretched thing:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240034&type=card)

Did I draw it even once in five games? I did not!


I broke my own rules of sealed deck design! Stupid.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 26, 2012, 11:48:21 PM
amazing ability!

What rule, dont pick your colours around one creature?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 26, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
My rule is pick the two colours with the most creatures, because you need as many creatures as possible in sealed. So I should have gone green blue in this case.

But I chose this instead! I deserved my beating.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 27, 2012, 12:50:16 AM
I have definitely found that basing the deck around 1 good creature is dodgy.

If you have 2 great things then it can be worth it as one of them might appear. But hey the other day I took 5 colours for fun. Kinda wished I could have played it more. I keep seeming to build these decks and then only get one game in do losing money   :icon_neutral:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 27, 2012, 12:50:28 AM
My rule is pick the two colours with the most creatures, because you need as many creatures as possible in sealed. So I should have gone green blue in this case.

But I chose this instead! I deserved my beating.

Pretty good rule, although I can see running the angel.  I have three rules in Limited (draft/sealed) construction: creatures, removal, and bombs.  I pick the two colors (sometimes with a third splashed in, but I try to avoid that) that give me the best combination of good creatures, removal, and cards that pretty much win me the game if they resolve.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 27, 2012, 07:03:50 AM
I think I still should have won against Rufus....when I cuddled into my blanket I realized that ....once I am down below 5 live all my creatures get +2 +2 (fat priest) so I could have blocked that trample milita....I am not sure about timing as the flying vampires AND the militia deal damage about the same time but I am grasping at straws here...

I didnīt want to let you win Rufus I just wanted to make it a bit more interesting instead of just starving you out of your castle.


More glory for the gory.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 27, 2012, 07:50:05 AM
You were above 5 life before the combat, and didn't drop below until damage dealing, when you went to zero. So you were still dead.

But if you hadn't attacked a turn or so before you'd have won for sure. And you only did that because I was losing! I know I complain a lot, but I don't want anyone to let me win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 27, 2012, 08:32:03 AM
But nobody with red blood pumping through his veins want to play against boring I sit at home and wait it out decks.

I guess.....also without that trampling I have overlooked I would have crushed you under my heel like an ugly bug.

The deck was rather nice good cards in it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 27, 2012, 10:30:39 AM
also without that trampling I have overlooked I would have crushed you under my heel like an ugly bug.

Ha ha, that's true!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 27, 2012, 07:29:06 PM
I'm on there right now if any of you guys is free...

Just need to put the lands into my Highlander deck and I will be able to play that too.

Also, EDH seems to be another term for commander which is apparently a version where you pick out a general of the your deck, a legendary creature, which determines the colours you can use. He has his own special rules and can keep coming back. Sounds interesting, but a little complicated for now...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 27, 2012, 08:06:27 PM
Rufus, that's the first time I've used that wolf deck.

I'm still not convinced it's that good... but it's always hard to tell.

I know normally your vamps do a horrible number on me and if you hadn't had to keep using the tokens to block I wonder if you'd have overwhelmed me...

Might have to try and against something different. The lack of protection from flyers and no kill spells really make me nervous...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 27, 2012, 08:33:25 PM
That was a new vampire deck though! Red/black instead of just black. Not as good! I was trying to make a weaker deck. I think two games is all that deck will see...

The wolves were mean!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 27, 2012, 08:38:57 PM
My wolf deck was supposed to be mostly for fun too. Mono green with no elves, it's just asking for trouble!  :icon_razz:

But you should give it another run against something different. My cards came out just right and sometimes that just happens...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 27, 2012, 08:47:42 PM
I have a ghost deck too. It's probably rubbish!

Did you know it's impossible to buy geist of saint traft? No one is selling him!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 27, 2012, 09:17:14 PM
Also, EDH seems to be another term for commander which is apparently a version where you pick out a general of the your deck, a legendary creature, which determines the colours you can use. He has his own special rules and can keep coming back. Sounds interesting, but a little complicated for now...

I love EDH, and played it exclusively for the last five years, until getting back into drafting and Standard recently.  It's really not that complicated, except fot the General bit.  And I still call it EDH; that was its name when it was created by multiplayer fans.  Commander is Wizards's corporate name that they slapped on it when they co-opted it to try and squeeze more money out of the casual players.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 27, 2012, 09:38:25 PM
Oh dear, you sound a bit bitter towie!

Have you got the gccg magic program to work yet? You could be playing us!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 27, 2012, 09:56:38 PM
I'm gonna make some more fun decks too.

Problem with theme decks is sometimes they totally suck and sometimes they are amazing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 27, 2012, 10:00:40 PM
That's true!

Anyone want to play now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 27, 2012, 10:08:12 PM
Oh dear, you sound a bit bitter towie!

Maybe a little.  :wink:

Have you got the gccg magic program to work yet? You could be playing us!

No, not yet.  I'm happy for my promotion at work, but it's left us shorthanded, so I've been working a ton.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 27, 2012, 10:28:56 PM
Noibn, did you know mox opal is legendary?

I just got told and I had a feeling you had a bunch out against me the other day...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 27, 2012, 10:40:52 PM
Does it not say on the card?

I wasn't looking at them so don't know!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 27, 2012, 11:29:10 PM
It does! I just missed that completely.

The problem with magic is that it seems more often than not one player thrashes the other. It is so hard to have a close game. I have had a few recently like my insane samurai vs wall game with noibn that must have gone a good 30 turns or more!

In warhammer it is easier to turn things round or have one half of the board in your favour and thr other not. There is alwqys something amazing you can pull off. Well at least mostly.

Buy many games of magic just leave you feeling a bit empty.

Two games against Rufus. First one I got massacred with only a birds of paradise on the field.
Second one he had me almost dead but then I layed down what I needed and he barely stood a chance.

All that being said, maybe we could agree to use the highlander mulligan rule. If you have 1,2 or 7 lands you can reveal your hand and get a free mulligan... What dya reckon?

It obviously won't eliminate the problem, but it will help that annoying land screw issue that can ruin games. What dya reckon guys?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 28, 2012, 12:21:43 AM
You're right Siby. It's quite a depressing game sometimes!

Losing when you are on 20 and your opponent is on 3 is quite sad.  :icon_sad:


I still think sealed makes for better games than standard. We should try the highlander thing though!


All that being said, maybe we could agree to use the highlander mulligan rule. If you have 1,2 or 7 lands you can reveal your hand and get a free mulligan... What dya reckon?

OK! Good plan.

I seem to mulligan in half my games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 28, 2012, 12:31:42 AM
Sib, that's one of the reasons that I play so much EDH...with a group of players and a casual approach to the game, everyone stays in the game longer.  1 vs. 1 constructed can be pretty bloody, since landscrew/landflood often means a quick death, as does any significant card or speed advantage that one deck has over the other.

Highlander might be the way to go for you guys.  Another reason I like EDH so much is that with 100 (well, 99)-card decks and only 1 of each card, the play experience is much more varied.  My standard decks play the same every time (if I built them well!) by design, whereas in EDH I can't reliably draw any given card, so I have to rely on a deeper cardpool and synergy between cards, rather than just dropping 4x the best 7 cards for the deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 28, 2012, 11:47:09 AM
I wish someone was on at the moment!

I might have to take the plunge and play someone I don't know!


Also, I'm thinking of buying some actual cards... I think I can buy my ghost deck without it costing too much. Maybe that's a bad idea though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 28, 2012, 06:32:53 PM
Slippery slope!  :-P

We are actually thinking to do a draft here as it seems we have enough magc liking friends. I love drafting most of all I think... Quite excited....
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on July 28, 2012, 07:12:22 PM
It does! I just missed that completely.

The problem with magic is that it seems more often than not one player thrashes the other. It is so hard to have a close game. I have had a few recently like my insane samurai vs wall game with noibn that must have gone a good 30 turns or more!

In warhammer it is easier to turn things round or have one half of the board in your favour and thr other not. There is alwqys something amazing you can pull off. Well at least mostly.

Buy many games of magic just leave you feeling a bit empty.

Two games against Rufus. First one I got massacred with only a birds of paradise on the field.
Second one he had me almost dead but then I layed down what I needed and he barely stood a chance.

All that being said, maybe we could agree to use the highlander mulligan rule. If you have 1,2 or 7 lands you can reveal your hand and get a free mulligan... What dya reckon?

It obviously won't eliminate the problem, but it will help that annoying land screw issue that can ruin games. What dya reckon guys?

Back in the day, me and my friends had a similar mulligan rule for casual games. Free mulligan for any hand containing no lands, 1 lands, all lands or all lands but 1.

I'd be willing to play that... in fact, I regularly tell my oponents to just draw 7 new cards if they mull more than once. Thing is, if we are going to have a mulligan rule like that there also needs to be a minimum land requirement per deck. Say, any deck with less than 24 lands should not be able to mull for free like that, because otherwise that rule would be easy to abuse.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 29, 2012, 09:20:02 PM
Zombies are just wrong.

Just used then against a random. You can just attack full pelt with no worry of casualties! I was even milling myself just to put creatures in my graveyard! 2 easy easy wins...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 29, 2012, 10:03:23 PM
I hate zombies.

Someone else has cthulu as their avatar! So now I'm a badger.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 29, 2012, 11:06:28 PM
I'm looking forward to that mirodin block going out of standard.

I hate all the cards in it for no good reason.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 29, 2012, 11:07:09 PM
It seems even in highlander land can screw you over!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 29, 2012, 11:22:23 PM
Land is always out to get you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 29, 2012, 11:37:47 PM
To be honest I don't know how much land is right in a 100 card deck. I went for 34 I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 29, 2012, 11:45:13 PM
I'm looking forward to that mirodin block going out of standard.

I hate all the cards in it for no good reason.

I concur...not exactly sure why, but I hate it.  The only thing I can put my finger on is that I hate Phyrexian Mana.  Lost a tourney game to it last Tuesday, basically because I forgot it existed.  That, and that Phyrexian mana counterspell ruined Legacy.  And I liked the original Mirroden block pretty well.  It was during that block that I had my biggest success playing competitively. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 30, 2012, 12:36:30 AM
I think the zero-cost counterspell is banned in legacy now.

That block annoys me so much that I don't want to play against cards from it. Even rubbish ones.


To be honest I don't know how much land is right in a 100 card deck. I went for 34 I think.

Oh, I had 40!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 30, 2012, 08:41:18 AM
Also, I'm thinking of buying some actual cards... I think I can buy my ghost deck without it costing too much. Maybe that's a bad idea though.

Or maybe it will cost at least Ģ40!

Ridiculous. Magic cards are too expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 30, 2012, 09:19:55 PM
Just played a few games with my zombies vs Noibn... At first they seemed unstoppable. Then we tried them against humans and they kinda screeched to a halt!

We decided over a run of games they'd be pretty even but I wonder if the humans would ever so slightly edge it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 30, 2012, 10:01:14 PM
I wish someone would buy my extra planeswalkers! I'm trying to complete the magic 2013 set (not sure why, but it doesn't cost real money so why not) and I still need six cards. Expensive ones!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 31, 2012, 10:45:16 AM
I could buy them...I have like over 100 $.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 31, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
Rufus, make a list on here which expensive rares you have and which you need. We can trade amongst each other... Nifty way to complete sets. I will do likewise when I am at home and have my computer at hand...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 31, 2012, 11:19:01 AM
Ha, just exited the program! Let's see if I can remember:

I need these 6 magic 2013 cards: planeswalker nicole bolas, worldfire, thundermaw helkite, master of the pearl trident, staff of nirn, diabolic revelation.

I have(assuming no one buys them in the meantime!) lots of stuff from that set, most notably: all five other planeswalkers, serra avatar, elderscale worm.


I've done most of Innistrad too, having finally got a geist of saint traft! I think the only expensive one I need is the other version of Liliana the black planeswalker.


Quote from: Fandir Nightshade
I could buy them...I have like over 100 $.

No need to buy them unless you want them!

I've spent like 600 fake dollars! I'm so glad it's not real money.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 31, 2012, 11:24:18 AM
Also, this absolutely rules:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=262695&type=card)

Totally worth putting some black/white and black/blue lands in my ghost deck for.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 31, 2012, 01:17:23 PM
I will check out those cards when I get home sometime, feel like I have a few multiple rares.

Did you manage to sort out your highlander deck yet?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 31, 2012, 02:01:53 PM
Cheers Siby!

I did make another highlander deck, I think. So I can play that later.

The ghost deck is doing well! Won 2 out of 3 against two people I don't know. One of them sideboarded against me too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 31, 2012, 05:11:45 PM
I'm going to declare myself 'king of the complainers.' Sorry for moaning about your poison deck, Noibn! I realised I had no way of stopping a creature with protection from white... well, short of a mindshrieker with a lucky power-up. That's a bit of a weakness in the ghost deck.

I'm not sure I really need to use mental misstep either. I just like the idea of ruining someone's first turn play before I even have a land.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 31, 2012, 06:03:39 PM
I'm almost useless to you... but I do have a second Diabolic Revolation which I will send your way.

Looking at cards of a similar value in the set that I don't have, I am missing Disciple of Bolas, Shimian Spector, Planar Cleansing.

I just tried to do it and nothing happened. Maybe we both have to be there.

From Innistrad, the expensive ones I am missing are: Reaper from the Abyss, Olivia Voldaren, Geist of St Traft, Garruk. Any others you are missing?

Bare in mind that in order to keep your set complete you have to have at least one of each at all times. Do you really have multiples of the planeswalkers?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 31, 2012, 10:08:58 PM
Great, I would definitely like the diabolic thingy! We do both have to be on to trade though.


Looking at cards of a similar value in the set that I don't have, I am missing Disciple of Bolas, Shimian Spector, Planar Cleansing.

OK, I have spares of all of those. I actually have 5 of the disciple, so he's my top choice to trade!



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From Innistrad, the expensive ones I am missing are: Reaper from the Abyss, Olivia Voldaren, Geist of St Traft, Garruk. Any others you are missing?

Oh, I don't have the first two, and have only one each of the other two. I have 4 skaab ruinators! But also I'm missing Lilian of the veil, mirror phantasm, tree of redemption... quite a few. Booo. I need more fake money!


I really do have 2 of each of the 5 magic 2013 planeswalkers (3 of the black one). They are attracted to me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 11:11:59 AM
Some of my cards sold... the ones that cost 1 cent. And only about five of them.

Annoying! I really want to complete a set!


I need these pretend cards from Magic 2013:

planeswalker nicol bolas
worldfire
thundermaw helkite
master of the pearl trident,
staff of nirn,
diabolic revelation.

Siby has diabolic revelation, but surely someone else has at least one of the others? Surely?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 01, 2012, 02:14:21 PM
I dont have many m13s, because when we do sealed I buyt the other block so siby can see them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
I need some Innistrad cards too! Do you have any of these?

grimoire of the dead
witchbane orb
army of the damned
bloodline keeper
liliana of the veil
reaper from the abyss
grimgrin corpseborn
olivia voldaren
mirror mad phantasm
tree of redemption
woodland cemetary
balefire dragon


Damn, that's loads! Anyway, I can swap them for things.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 01, 2012, 02:19:03 PM
How did you get those cards in the first place...bought boosters? Do I have the cards I got from the sealed deck games?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 02:20:11 PM
Yes, you buy boosters. You should have all your ones from sealed games you've played.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 01, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Oh I might have your cards then...if not I will buy some more innistrad boosters this evening.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 02:28:48 PM
Don't buy any boosters just to get cards for me! I can just wait until I have more money and buy them myself.

I need to play more games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 01, 2012, 02:30:53 PM
Then maybe we can do some innistrad sealed games later.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 02:32:32 PM
OK, but I either need to play some normal games first or someone will have to lend me some fake money! I spent all mine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
Thanks for the liliana of the veil, Noibn!  :::cheers:::

I'll probably be able to complete innistrad before magic 2013, since the cards I need cost less.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 01, 2012, 04:55:07 PM
Once I get close to completing a set I am definitely willing just buy some of the rares unless they are over $40 or $50. Then you can register it and get a little cash bonus! Woo  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 01, 2012, 05:24:38 PM
Have you guys played any highlander yet?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 05:32:13 PM
Siby and I did. It was OK! Kind of the same as sealed really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 01, 2012, 05:40:44 PM
I might get round to making a deck. How do you do it, just choose colours and a vague idea, and then go through everything?

Or did you stick to the more recent blocks?

Are higher mana cards more viable?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 01, 2012, 05:52:27 PM
We stuck to standard. Rufus stuck to innistrad and no rares which kinda gave me an advantage so I think he is adding a few now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 09:17:25 PM
I'm on the magic site now! Someone come and play me!

I remade my highlander deck with rare cards in it! It's still Innistrad block only though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 01, 2012, 10:25:03 PM
It crashed! I'm going to bed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 01, 2012, 10:25:35 PM
Stupid game broke......

Well you would have killed me...no guy to block and exactly 10 dmg

Still no revenge for sad panda fandir.

Me too!

Well done Rufus I thought I would get you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 10:53:28 PM
You got me in the end Fandir!

Then the site went funny and may have lost my special dragon! Boooo! I'm trying to reload it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2012, 11:22:05 PM
I lost all the cards from those sealed games! That's the second time that's happened to me!

Gutted.


Edit:
But, now I have completed Magic 2013 and Innistrad! Thanks to everyone who helped (Fandir, Siby, Noibn, and a guy on the site who traded me Nicol Bolas). Next, dark ascension and avacyn restored!


Also, highlander vs Siby was fun! The games were very close... I won twice because of this card really:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240133&type=card)

Once cast for real, once as a miracle.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 02, 2012, 04:48:35 AM
Temporal mastery is insane especially if you have it in a regular deck...four times.

Oh I just take another turn for two mana....DIE!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on August 02, 2012, 06:21:28 AM
That card is insane. It's high casting value is only a drawback when it's in your starter hand or if you've got a deck that revolves around drawing more cards/turn (and in that case the extra land you'd draw wouldn't make it a drawback for long).

Insanely cheap miracle cost. It's one of those cards that makes people ponder including some blue mana, whatever colours they're actually playing with.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 02, 2012, 08:26:52 AM
Well, it's not as good as this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=728&type=card)


But it might be more useful than this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=191379&type=card)


I'd use temporal mastery with ponder so I could try to miracle it. Or mystical tutor! Except that's banned.



Oh, when you cast a miracle you do it as an instant, even if it isn't one!    :Ohmy:

Quote from: Magic rules
As you draw an instant or sorcery with miracle, if it's the first card you've drawn this turn, you can immediately reveal it. When you do so, you may cast it for its miracle cost. It doesn't matter whether it's an instant or sorcery; if you choose to cast it, you do so right away, even if it's at a time (such as your draw step) when you couldn't normally cast it. You're not required to reveal a miracle card, even if you could pay for it. You can always choose to just draw it as normal.

You're allowed to cast the first card you draw each turn if it has miracle, so if you find ways to draw cards during your opponent's turn, you get another chance for a game-breaking, miraculous moment.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on August 02, 2012, 09:30:14 AM
Nope, it's not as good but really, what is?

It's telling that they've used the exact same mana cost for the Miracle part. That should have warned them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 02, 2012, 09:38:20 PM
I think it's balanced.  The fact that no one seems to be playing it in Standard ought to be a clue that it's not overpowered.  Think about it -- it's no good in your opening hand, you can't tutor for it (except Mystical, as Rufus pointed out), and it's no good if you draw it after your first draw for the turn.  It's an awesome boost if you randomly draw it, obviously. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 02, 2012, 11:35:46 PM
It's easy to forget that we play relatively friendly decks and most of what we think rocks, or is broken, probably not ad muchcas we think...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 03, 2012, 12:31:34 AM
It's easy to forget that we play relatively friendly decks and most of what we think rocks, or is broken, probably not ad muchcas we think...

True.  I actually had a conversation with my brother the other day about this.  We got schooled by a really strong EDH deck about a week ago.  I shrugged it off and made a few changes for next time, but my brother has been working hard at building a new, stronger deck to take the guy on.  He said something to the effect of "Sometimes I wish we'd never learned about competitive Magic and just kept playing our terrible casual decks.  I wish we could go back, but I don't think we can."  Sadly, I think he's right in his case, but I definitely have two modes; my brain will always be looking for the optimal card choice and play, but I have the ability to tell it to shut up and just have fun.  Having a whiskey or two helps at getting him to shut up too.   :-D

But on Temporal Mastery, you guys' instincts are right; taking an extra turn is hugely powerful.  That's an idea a lot of people don't intuitively grasp. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 03, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
No one is on the magic site.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 03, 2012, 10:21:16 PM
Was drinking wine and cuddling with my wife....sorry I will return one of my nerd cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 03, 2012, 10:38:07 PM
Warning! Demons are fickle.

One in two people is hurt every game by poking themselves with their demons.

Oftentimes the injury proves fatal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 03, 2012, 11:40:58 PM
Bad excuse, Fandir!


Siby and I had a highlander game that lasted an hour! Stall-tastic.

Snapcaster mage is amazing.

And I continue to find trepanation blade hilarious.



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One in two people is hurt every game by poking themselves with their demons.

Ha ha!

Demons are mean to everyone.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 04, 2012, 12:21:56 AM
An hour!

And what do you finish me with?

Double expensive lightning bolt! The shame...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 04, 2012, 12:27:27 AM
I think the trepanation blade milling all your best demons away was what finished you really!

I'm making a new highlander deck now. It takes ages.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 04, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
I want to make a deck where I turn things into frogs...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=220265&type=card)


...and then voltorb them.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96891&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 04, 2012, 03:19:12 PM
I think the trepanation blade milling all your best demons away was what finished you really!

I'm making a new highlander deck now. It takes ages.

That and my silly overuse of my counters on little insignifigant dudes.

Should have saved them for bigger more important stuff like stopping you play those horrible equipments  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 04, 2012, 03:52:44 PM
Who can resist countering stuff whenever they have the opportunity though? Whether it's sensible or not!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 04, 2012, 10:23:59 PM
That was such a good sealed deck I had against Finlay. Luck-tastic.

The cat-boss planeswalker is pretty good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 05, 2012, 11:15:46 AM
Is it dodgy putting a sylvan tutor and a worldly tutor in my highlander decks?

Is there a banned list?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 05, 2012, 11:21:16 AM
There is a banned list, but it depends which format we're using!

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Resources.aspx?x=judge/resources/banned

I'm not sure which banned list the magic program uses.

Siby and I stuck to standard-legal cards only (in fact, mine only use Inistrad block cards). If you allow all cards then you get away from the 'one of each' thing really, because there are so many functionally similar cards available. Say instead of 4*ponder, you have one each of ponder, brainstorm, impulse and pre-ordain, and it's virtually the same. Whereas if it's standard only you can't do that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 05, 2012, 11:28:23 AM
ok, I'll stick to standard then, tempting as they are. (find, avacyn! go!)

There are hardly any green humans I want, because most of the standard ones are stupid werewolves
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 05, 2012, 05:28:39 PM
I admit I snuck in a few mirrodin... But it's really hard to theme your deck if you don't...

So far I have done demon raising, angel lifeboosting and a human one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 05, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Mirrodin is standard legal though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 05, 2012, 07:21:12 PM
My highlander decks don't really have themes. Unless 'all the good cards from two colours in the innistrad block' counts as a theme.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 05, 2012, 07:24:47 PM
Mirrodin is standard legal though.

Not in Rufus's eyes. They are his skaven I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 05, 2012, 08:07:08 PM
Ha ha, that's right! I hate mirodin.

Not long till it's gone.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 05, 2012, 08:20:17 PM
Ha ha, that's right! I hate mirodin.

Not long till it's gone.

I concur.  And then Return to Ravnica!  The first Ravnica was one of my favorite blocks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 05, 2012, 08:42:45 PM
Is Ravnica the one with all the samurai? Cos if so I may cry...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 05, 2012, 09:51:05 PM
No, it's the one with voltorb!

All the 2-colour guilds.


I wonder why the magic site has so few tables now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 05, 2012, 10:11:02 PM
Ha ha, that's right! I hate mirodin.

Not long till it's gone.
You only hate it because you cant be bothered to look at whats in it because it's gone soon, not because it's broken!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 05, 2012, 10:12:14 PM
It winds me up too. All that poison stuff is lame.

You just quit the site without playing me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 05, 2012, 10:36:50 PM
Is Ravnica the one with all the samurai? Cos if so I may cry...

Thankfully, no.  Kamigawa block was a disaster.  Really cool fluff, horrible horrible execution.  Most of the mechanics were inbred (never to be used outside of the block...who can name a card with soushift?) and the ones that weren't just sucked on their own.  I can think of less than 10 cards from the whole block that are still used in any format (Jitte, Isamaru, and a few of the dragons are all I can think of). 

That said, Isamaru is one of my favorite cards ever, and I am using a Kamigawa block card as the general of my new monowhite EDH deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 05, 2012, 11:38:50 PM
How long till trepan blade goes out of circulation? :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 05, 2012, 11:45:41 PM
I love that card!

You need to use it on me so I can see what it's like...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2012, 10:44:17 AM
It winds me up too. All that poison stuff is lame.

You just quit the site without playing me!
I don’t have such time now that Ellie and ted are back, and I feel poorly so need to go to bed early!

It takes fricking ages to make your highlander deck too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 06, 2012, 11:04:09 AM
Are you using gatheter to help? It's totally helped me filter ideas by just selecting certain rules or creature types etc. Huge help!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2012, 11:06:54 AM
I do my highlander decks like sealed decks. Look through the card sets, click on anything that looks good. Then edit it down to the right number of cards later.

It seems to work fine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2012, 11:08:41 AM
I’ve designed it, I meant even the actual act of adding all 100 cards on GCG. Should finish tonight though.

Angel attack!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2012, 12:26:27 PM
I summoned seven angels on Siby last night, using that angel miracle spell. Amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 06, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
I think miracle spells are too powerful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2012, 12:37:07 PM
Only if you use them with tutors (and all the good ones are banned) or other deck-manipulation (like ponder). Otherwise they are too random. And casting them properly is very expensive!

I like them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2012, 12:48:54 PM
I summoned seven angels on Siby last night, using that angel miracle spell. Amazing.
Is everyone doing highlander angel decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2012, 12:53:49 PM
No, but if you are using white at all you're going to have some angels in there! I only have a few in my white/black deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 06, 2012, 02:33:24 PM
My angel deck is as much small lifelink creatures as angels.

I was very miffed when Rufus magiced up 7 angels... He ALWAYS gets his miracles  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2012, 03:11:22 PM
I deserve them!

You probably should have won just for including a rhino monk in your deck though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2012, 04:37:23 PM
What's going on with the magic site? Hardly any tables!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2012, 10:47:53 PM
Maybe to do with the server upgrade?

I had two fogs rufus! taken it out now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 07:58:14 AM
Two fogs! How dastardly.


I hope they have more tables next time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 07, 2012, 11:17:09 AM
The problem we have right now with our highlander games is that we are kinda playing with a very limited set of cards which means that you kinda see the same thing in every deck...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 11:43:31 AM
So it's a lot like standard then!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 07, 2012, 11:44:10 AM
So Highlander with all cards allowed Hurrah!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 11:44:48 AM
I don't want to play that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 07, 2012, 11:45:46 AM
Ok Highlander with all cards allowed except Mirrodin.


Hurrah (with less enthusiasm)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 11:53:23 AM
I'm not making a highlander deck that could use cards from every single set! That must be thousands of possible cards!

"I play Aardvark's Revenge. It does six wibble damage with blowback"

"What the hell does that mean?"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2012, 11:53:59 AM
Agreed.
 I think rufus saying “if you do all sets you end up with loads of spells doing the same thing”- it’s still only a few cards out of a hundred, instead of 4 counterspells, 4 negates, 4 mana leaks etc.

I’m not convinced by highlander, but I have only played 3 games!

It’s slow, and then someone gets a good card and by that time has loads of mana, then wins.


You don’t have to use them rufus! I think others should if they want. Or maybe not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 11:57:35 AM
You don’t have to use them rufus! I think others should if they want. Or maybe not.

But that's like playing standard vs legacy, which is lame. Legacy wins.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2012, 12:05:15 PM
might not work like that in highlander, and if it does people can use their standard decks to play you
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 12:18:24 PM
If you allow all the cards, then you have about a million multi-lands available. No more mana problems!

And you can easily take all the counterspells you want. Or all the damage spells. Or all the good creatures.

But mostly it will take a million years to build a deck. And the games will be even slower because of all the explaining of various weird mechanics (often not explained on the cards).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 07, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
So it's a lot like standard then!

Well I guess normal standard it is slightly less likely as with multiples and smaller decks you are looking at a much smaller selection of cards. Having said that, some cards are gonna be played more than others.

I'd suggest we try extended highlander as that would only add in zendikar and alara (both of which I coincidentally love!) But that would mean a little longer to build decks. Of course filtering only extended cards in one's collection would help big time.

I dunno. It's probably my fault for seeming to always end up with stall decks and then just stalling until rufus gets out his trusty trepan blade  :-P. I keep trying to make different decks and somehow they always end up working the same way.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 02:32:20 PM
You even stalled my green deck! I played Noibn twice in like 20 minutes with that deck! Tree of stalling vs worm of stalling was funny though.

I don't know zendikar or alara from holes in the ground, but wouldn't mind having a look. Can we agree not to use the mirodin one then? I'm sick of all the disgusting walls made out of membranes, or whatever the hell it's all about.

I think zendikar has the legendary octopus I use in my squid deck, so it must be pretty good as a block! I'm still using the trepanation blade however!


EDIT: of course, I have no right to tell anyone which cards they should use! Shut up, rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 07, 2012, 03:06:58 PM
Yes shut up and go on with Bogenhafen.....Heinrich will kick in the door of the respectable house and shoot some arrows to faces....and Mortus will smile and drink some booze.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 03:12:04 PM
Ha ha!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2012, 03:30:48 PM
Don’t complain about the cathedral membrane when it did NOTHING in your game, which you won with a 3 mana creature!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 03:34:40 PM
I'm not saying the card is unfair, just that it sounds kind of disgusting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 03:58:40 PM
Does anyone on the magic site have any of these cards to trade?

From Dark ascension: ebrus the binding blade, huntmaster of the fells.

From Avcacyn restored: grisslebrand, Tamyo the moon sage, tybalt the fiend blooded, bruna angel of blue/white whatever.

I need them! I have stuff to trade for them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 07, 2012, 04:19:06 PM
I'm not saying the card is unfair, just that it sounds kind of disgusting.

Says the man who uses a blade used to tap into people's skulls to open up their brains...



Um, I have two huntsmasters! So technically I could spare one... let me see what I need...

Innistrad: Garruk Relentless, Geist of St Traft,
Avacyn Rest: Bonfire of Damned

Those are the big ones...



As to extending our highlander to extended... there are lots of cool things in both Zendikar and Alara. The only thing I think that should be outright banned is Emrakul because it is rediculous and horribly possible to make happen in a variety of ways. You guys will have to see what you think though. The 3rd set in Alara is totally multicoloured which is both zany and rediculous in places... but hey. It was a nightmare to draft because you were faced with a billion options of what colours to settle on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 04:29:17 PM
I don't have a spare geist or garruk (only one of each), but I have a spare bonfire of the damned! I will swap that for huntmaster!

I have a spare temporal mastery too, among other things. I'd sell them if I could but it never seems to happen.


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Says the man who uses a blade used to tap into people's skulls to open up their brains...

I know, that's why I should shut up! I'm such a complainer. Sorry guys.


I agree about emrakul. No emrakuls!

Hmmm, I'm not keen on multi-coloured cards. Only in certain colour combinations.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 07, 2012, 04:48:57 PM
I usually try and put one for sale undercutting the going rate by a couple of dollars. I think I have sold things here or there but it's hard to tell.

Don't feel too bad for complaining, I think we're all a bit whiney, I know I am  :-P.

If it makes you feel any better (and I have no idea if it will), the cards are generally sorted by Bant, Esper, Naya, Grixis and Jund, which means usually they only suit a certain type of deck. There are a few 5 colour cards, but not tonnes. Some of the lands and artifacts would really lend themselves nicely to colour combo decks we have or can do.

Eg Werewolf Red Green could really enjoy stuff like:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ala/216.jpg)

or

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1FAld738_zVrG77TYaDsqo6AlWK9YXOorsKRhzB3Z0ebiXiXcdw)

and

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8pXSkiuvMYGFkq9MWvbKEp9dnO36qiK-4bE3LZpSsaV3gRit3cA)

not to mention

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYSzC99QMeg4ybXdQvACIjofqLfbH2Lw63QAwNJ5A1PjRRQWVYHg)

and one of my old favourites

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZYOZbDDux29gRg1SRTSc_4Zy7PkuN1J8324vgE0T-cmbjfdlE)

All of those would fit pretty nicely in a red green deck I reckon.



I just wonder if it might open us up to some more variety in our games. Right now it feels like we're always going to be facing the same kind of things and it's no one's fault. We're just picking 100 from a very small bunch of cards...

We just need to try to err on the side of not being totally mean... as the more cards you open yourself up to... the crazier the combos can be...

If you wanted we could implement a couple of house rules?

Say a limit on Rares and Mythics. Maybe 8 Rares and 2 Mythics in a deck?

And then at least 35 land, just cos believe me, mana ramping is a big danger with Zendikar... just ask my old wall deck...

How does that all sound? *hoping for overwhelming joy*  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 05:26:20 PM
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How does that all sound? *hoping for overwhelming joy*

How about moderate joy? I'm not an overwhelming joy sort of guy.

It sound fine! It will take a while to make a new deck though.


I've tried selling things by lowering the price, but still no one buys them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 07, 2012, 06:05:26 PM
Meanies!

I plan to work up some decks gradually but I won't get rid of the ones I already have. Infact I may modify them. Definitely will have to remove a bunch of rares I imagine to pull them into line.  :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2012, 06:07:15 PM
But then you have champion of parish and crusader of odric which I avoided.

Plus I spent loads of fake money on my deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 07, 2012, 06:29:47 PM
I just counted the rares in my demon deck...

20, probably 6 or 7 of which are mythic... this is going to be quite a culling.

I don't think it's too bad to have cards like champion of the parish. I mean he only comes in as a 1/1 with no protection. Sure he is nifty but very easy to kill early on.

Finlay I am not entirely sure what you mean... are you saying you avoided rares altogether? I'm a little confused.

And all that money you spent on your deck is not wasted as you still own the cards right? Will your deck be invalid under my proposal?


If anything, I'd have thought this would make it easier to own a deck as you don't have to have so many rares in there. I'm not saying you have to have 8 and 2... just up to 8 and 2...

But that was just my first thought. If you guys would prefer something else, I'm easy.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 07, 2012, 06:52:30 PM
Hmm, maybe the number of rares should be even lower... like 5 rares and 2 mythic?

I'm suddenly realising that 10 total makes a reasonable chance of getting a rare in your hand pretty often and with the extended set that could make some decks really nasty... having only 7 total really pinches your choices... which I always like...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 07, 2012, 08:22:52 PM
How about this:

5 rares and 1 mythic as a basic starting point for each deck. However, you may have 1 extra rare for every color you add to your deck beyond the first.

For every uncommon card you have in your deck you must have at least two times as many commons.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Quickbeam on August 07, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
 :icon_eek: We have a magic thread now? I haven't played since slivers were running around killing everyone and my saprolings were basically useless  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2012, 08:55:42 PM
I'm on now. Play me someone!

I can see siby but he's ignoring me.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Quickbeam on August 07, 2012, 09:14:56 PM
I'm on now. Play me someone!

I can see siby but he's ignoring me.  :icon_sad:
What is this!? you can play online!? WHat have I been missing!!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 07, 2012, 09:15:35 PM
How about this:

5 rares and 1 mythic as a basic starting point for each deck. However, you may have 1 extra rare for every color you add to your deck beyond the first.

For every uncommon card you have in your deck you must have at least two times as many commons.

That sounds reasonable to me as long as the extra rares can't be mythic too... I like the idea of the mythic really being... Mythic!

Also the uncommon rule sounds nice. There are some surprisingly good uncommons... Cough diregraf cough.

Sorry Rufus I am indeed not there. I was building a 'new rules' zombie deck and then I left without putting myself away. Kinda wish it would auto do that after a while...

 I am actually quite excited about this as we should get plenty of variety now without uber power...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 08, 2012, 10:48:36 AM
I tried making a new deck last night, but it felt too much like work so I stopped. Too many cards to look at!

Plus all those extra deck-building rules made it too complicated.


What is this!? you can play online!? WHat have I been missing!!  ::heretic::

You download this program:

http://gccg.sourceforge.net/

And install it! Then you can play magic online for free.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 08, 2012, 06:29:12 PM
Are you guys using m11 and m10 as well then? or just the expansions
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 08, 2012, 08:28:21 PM
I guess m11 and 12 are ok as they pop up in my filter for extended. So I am using them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 08, 2012, 09:19:22 PM
m12 is standard, never mind extended.

There are not very many good red creatures if you are only allowed 5 rares.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 08, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
Got to play some EDH at my FLGS last night.  Lost the first two games, then dominated the third.  Turns out Avacyn is a house, epspecially when she's flying around with a Sword of Fire and Ice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 08, 2012, 09:46:39 PM
m12 is standard, never mind extended.

There are not very many good red creatures if you are only allowed 5 rares.

Red's always been a bit dodgy on the creature front I reckon, much like blue. But nobody does cheap zapping better!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 08, 2012, 09:51:10 PM
Red's always been a bit dodgy on the creature front I reckon, much like blue. But nobody does cheap zapping better!

I love red, but yes, red's mid-range creatures usually suck.  They excel at decent cheap creatues (usually goblins), and then they have lots of dragons.  Not much else in between.

But you gotta love the burn.  Favorite card type in Magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 08, 2012, 10:05:56 PM
I thought I could make a deck with every burn spell, then creatures. but not enough.

Now which colour to splash...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 08, 2012, 10:08:16 PM
Green..for big creatures and more mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 08, 2012, 10:13:33 PM
Crashed!

I think it was your trepanation blade that broke the game, Finlay!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 08, 2012, 10:17:37 PM
I was about to trepan your demon and get about 20 lifelink.

I'm giving up! night night
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 08, 2012, 10:19:18 PM
Hmmm, I think I was winning though.

It's broken again. I give up!


Great, not only is it broken, it's deleted the fake money I won from those two games. Wonderful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 08, 2012, 11:26:42 PM
You guys seem to have a lot of problems losing stuff  :-(

I really do like this rare limit. No auto including rare lands and all. But with extending the sets you can use the older tap lands instead so you can kinda make up for it, just comes at a cost. My deck feels more like a real life deck somehow...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 08, 2012, 11:33:53 PM
The site seems really dodgy at the moment. Very few tables, and it keeps breaking.

So what were the limits on the decks meant to be? Extended legal, with only so many rare cards? How many? Isn't it just like making a sealed deck, except it takes about a million times as long? I'm not convinced!

Good grief, ponder and preordain are banned in extended. How ridiculous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 08, 2012, 11:38:30 PM
Good grief, ponder and preordain are banned in extended. How ridiculous.

You can thank combo decks for that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 08, 2012, 11:41:18 PM
Not in highlander though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 03:48:06 AM
Limits (as things stand):

Extended
5 Rares (+1 for multicolour decks)
1 Mythic Rare
2 commons for every uncommon


That last one is probably pretty easy. I just checked mine once I had finished and found I had more than that ratio so I was fine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 08:14:10 AM
But doesn't that encourage people (me) to use the most powergaming rare cards possible, and not use any rubbish rares?

Or conversely I might only use common cards, just to be different.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 09, 2012, 08:16:50 AM
I will choose cards I likek from the pictures and fluff texts...blue black green!!!! but I will still need weeks to make the deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 10:04:50 AM
It does encourage you to choose good rares- but you dont get many of them!

Although wasnt in an extra one for each colour you used? I think this might be too advantageous for rainbow decks really, especially considering one of the blocks was designed to be rainbow.



I reckon standard with no duplication of cards would have been fine.
Heck, I thought a mix of standard and sealed was fine. Highlander has not convinced me at all! But I have only played 4 games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 10:35:30 AM
Were all the games you played against me? If so, maybe that's why you don't like it!


I think the 100-card thing is a mistake. It makes the decks more likely to fail in the worst possible way: no land/too much land.

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I reckon standard with no duplication of cards would have been fine.

I agree.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 09, 2012, 10:39:33 AM
Lets make this then.

I might manage to make a deck that way.


Still will go for black blue green....they remain my favourite colours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 10:50:13 AM
Were all the games you played against me? If so, maybe that's why you don't like it!
Yes, and Siby didn't like it after playing you too! ha ha.
But 4 games is too small sample size- bad luck, And also I think I added a lot of high mana creatures expecting the games to be slower, which hasn’t really been the case.
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I think the 100-card thing is a mistake. It makes the decks more likely to fail in the worst possible way: no land/too much land.

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I reckon standard with no duplication of cards would have been fine.

I agree.

I'll try some of all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 10:54:56 AM
No one likes playing me!  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 09, 2012, 11:03:55 AM
That is wrong I like playing against you. But I prefer topless barefoot warhammer (I guess).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 11:16:04 AM
Ha ha! Who doesn't.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 12:49:05 PM
I like playing you Rufus bar two things...

Your habit of hitting miracles
Your habit of finding trepan blade
 :-P

But everyone has their little things. Noibn's is always having twice as much land as you!

I haven't played finlay enough to have found his yet...  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
Sorry Siby, I should swear off miracles and trepanation blades! I will consider it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
Is everyone abondoning the highlander thing?

I just built 2 new decks!  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 02:24:21 PM
No, I’ve made one with the old rules, and I’m going to make one with the new rules, but I also plan on playing sealed still, and I might make a standard deck with only one of each card too.

I found loads of great green red and white creatures.


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175062&type=card)

This is common, but very cheap.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 03:42:48 PM
Looks uncommon to me...

But ai that is a great creature... i suppose his only drawback really is having to manage to get out the necessary mana for him to make him really fast...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 09, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
Green birds of paradise turn one....turn two plains or mountains GO!


Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
I like the g/r/w cards in extended. Cool stuff! What tricks can I do to help with mana, evolving wilds, the border post artifacts?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 04:21:11 PM
There's a great card I liked called Harrow that lets you sac one land to get 2. I think it costs 3. I know sacing the one land is sad but it seems a good payoff and can help out with g/r/w decks where you stack towards green. Just lose one of your multiple forests and you are sorted for red and white.

Also there are is a green elf that generates one of g/w/r which is nifty... and a green enchantment for one mana that makes a land g/w/r.

So many goodies!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 04:27:31 PM
I can't emphasise enough how many fun cards there are in extended.

I always veered towards naya so I mainly know the g/r/w stuff. But just having made that new Highlander zombie deck, it really has some nice (and not silly overpowered) stuff to add in.

Also, I kinda feel like 5 rares, whilst they can all be really good, is still pretty restricting. You take 5 good rares, you are probably missing out on at least 5 other really good rares that would fit nicely into your deck, not to mention the best multi colour lands. I guess only more playing time will tell, but my decks feel flavourful without being overpowered.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 05:01:23 PM
Isn't it 5 plus one for a each extra colour beyond one? But still only one mythic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 05:51:45 PM
I dunno. We can do 5+1 for each colour but that puts you up to 9 in a 5 colour deck and 5 colour decks are super easy and pretty scary I'd have thought in extended. I'm not really sure why putting in more colours should earn that many more rares. Are multi colour decks really at any disadvantage over single colour decks anyway?

One extra rare for going multicolour seems like enough of a helping hand to me with all the ways you can draw colour mana out...

Some of the multi colour rares are kinda nice and cheap too...

But we can try it and see if they seem to be doing any better or worse.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 06:13:26 PM
I agree with you, just double checking because Noibn had suggested an extra rare for each colour.

Think it encourages rainbow too much, and that's easier to do with 100 cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 09, 2012, 08:23:10 PM
I figured that +1 rares per additional color seemed fair since adding more colors to your deck comes with a trade off. In a rainbow deck you have to invest alot of cards to just manafixing. Also, most dual lands are rares. I noticed that basically all my green and artifact cards were geared towards helping the deck access the right mana. so yes, 5 colors mean a total of 4 more rares, but at the price of (in my case) devoting 20 cards to manafixing. I played rufus's green deck and got slaughtered because it takes me atleast 4-5 turns to just to develop my mana, meanwhile he kept playing threats and running me down.

Mind you, this was when we were restricted to standard legal cards only. The extended blocks seem more multicolored friendly, maybe that might give multicolored decks an edge. Only playtesting will tell. My game vs Siberius was pretty close thou and only came down to who got to play the lategame x damage spell first.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 09:19:43 PM
I think you're overstating the diffculties incurred to run multicolored, especially in 100 card decks.

twice as many rares is quite an advantage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 09, 2012, 09:23:06 PM
Too many good multicolour helps in extended and too many ...I win the game cards with 5 colours.
I want to use my super green black blue deck too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 09:34:23 PM
obelisk of alara = autowin. Unless I had drawn an artifact removal.

Feel sorry for decks which can't artifact remove.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 09, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
Ok, fair enough. 5 rares and 1 mythic for all decks regardless of how many colors. Editing deck now =)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 09:45:30 PM
I think adding one for multicoloured is fine, so 6 and a mythic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 09:46:05 PM
I actually won't play a three colour deck, so I think the alara block is useless to me.

I only like 2-colour decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 09, 2012, 09:47:36 PM
I think I donīt even have a mythic card in...what do they look like.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 09, 2012, 09:47:59 PM
obelisk of alara = autowin. Unless I had drawn an artifact removal.

Feel sorry for decks which can't artifact remove.

No deck should lack a way to deal with artifacts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 09:55:02 PM
I think I donīt even have a mythic card in...what do they look like.

Sort of red.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 09, 2012, 09:57:51 PM
Do I need those?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 10:01:14 PM
Not if you don't want. Some of them are good, some are rubbish.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 10:12:10 PM
I actually won't play a three colour deck, so I think the alara block is useless to me.

I only like 2-colour decks.

Tonnes of great cards for 2 colour decks... my zombie deck is just blue black and half of it is alara...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 10:19:55 PM
Blue/red ones though?

What a sulk-tastic time I had playing magic tonight! Bad rufus.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 10:57:59 PM
Wow, this is a dreadful card!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175038&type=card)


Did they forget this one?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12376&type=card)


Bad first impression, alara block!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 11:03:19 PM
Yeh but you can kinda do that with anything...

Lightning bolt to pretty much any current burn spell for instance...

But that's the joy, some cards are not great but they might suit your deck more so you take them anyways. In highlander format anyways...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2012, 11:04:50 PM
I don't like Highlander. Played 6 games and not enjoyed one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 09, 2012, 11:14:50 PM
What is it that you're not enjoying?

Is it the randomness?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 09, 2012, 11:20:23 PM
Wow, this is a dreadful card!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175038&type=card)


Did they forget this one?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12376&type=card)

Wizards has been lowering the power of counterspells for awhile now.  Except for that stupid phyrexian mana one that ruined Legacy for awhile.  No idea what they were thinking.
Bad first impression, alara block!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2012, 11:38:39 PM
What is it that you're not enjoying?

Is it the randomness?

It's a bit too random and slow. I don't see why we have to have 100 cards either!



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Wizards has been lowering the power of counterspells for awhile now.

Not to that extent. That card is a joke! The only worse one I can think of is the 4-mana one that doesn't work on blue spells.

They even admitted cancel was pathetic by reprinting dissipate in Innistrad.

Alara isn't all bad though:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175010&type=card)

Blue/red! Actually good! Hilariously says 'target' three times in one sentence!

And this in conflux:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=154081&type=card)

Which I use in my real (actual cards) squid deck (the one that uses quest for ula's temple or high tide/frantic search to cast big sea monsters). I don't fancy casting him properly though!


Ah, also:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=179544&type=card)

Not sure how often you get to counter two spells at once...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 10, 2012, 12:07:28 AM
I never understood that one either.

I think the problem is that highlander feels a bit slow, but standard feels a bit quick. I partially thought that was why we were trying the highlander thing. Give a bit more variety and games the potential to last a bit longer.

But I go back and forth with these things. I don't know really what I like best or not.  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 10, 2012, 12:54:33 AM

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=179544&type=card)

Not sure how often you get to counter two spells at once...

It is a bit narrow.  Probably only useful in winning "counter wars", where you've got a big chain of spells all countering each other.  Dropping that thing targeting each of your opponent's spells on the stack would be sick.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 10, 2012, 07:41:45 AM
That card is totally Harry Potter vs Voldemort...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2012, 08:28:31 AM
Ha, it is!

Also, it's still better than cancel if you're playing a blue/red deck (because everything is better than cancel).


So was it 6 rares and 1 mythic for these decks? I found a few spells I don't mind from the alara and zendikar blocks, but I can't say I'm overly fond of either. I don't get what the theme is in alara: it just looks like a load of random things.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
What is it that you're not enjoying?

Is it the randomness?
I'm not sure, I just havent enjoyed any of the games. Havent had a close game yet.
As soon as noibn cast his obelisk of Alara I knew I had lost, bevcuase I had a much smaller chance to draw artifact removal than I would in a normal deck.

It's just been slow or boring, and peoples decks seem to have a high chance of failing which doesnt make a fun game for either party.

rufus, 5 rares and a mythic, plus an extra rare for multi coloured decks
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 10, 2012, 10:51:51 AM
Did you want to go to mini highlander, 60 cards? I am pretty fine with that. Should give the same feel but with less work and more focussed decks...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2012, 10:54:41 AM
I have only played 6 games, so small sample size.

Might do some sealed tonight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2012, 11:24:51 AM
I'm making a highlander deck using the new rules, so I still want to play! I'm doing red/blue so I guess I can have 6 rare cards. Mythic = temporal mastery, I suppose.

I prefer sealed though. It's faster, and you get to buy new cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2012, 01:49:31 PM
hilarious in highlander!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175039&type=card)


worst card ever
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=197880&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2012, 02:06:17 PM
That first one is probably not on in highlander! Ridiculous.

Though I do have this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=208221&type=card)


The judgement one is not that bad! Obviously it wouldn't be top of the list in normal constructed, but it's OK for highlander.


I've made my red/blue deck, using the new rules. Though life is too short to count how many uncommons I have relative to commons.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2012, 02:15:02 PM
5 mana to half mill someone.

You better not cast that one me!

 :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2012, 02:22:19 PM
I'm not sure I'd dare! I can just imagine what you'd say... my screen would fill up with swearing.

Hmmm, maybe I should replace that card with something else. Imagine how long it would take to move 40+ cards from the deck to the graveyard! I'd probably concede if someone did that to me just so I wouldn't have to bother!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 10, 2012, 04:04:10 PM
So are you guys saying you're not gonna want to play vs my new mill deck...
 :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2012, 04:51:12 PM
Milling is one of the most annoying things you can do in magic! Other than poison counters. So I'm not keen... it's especially annoying on the computer, because it's such a hassle.


So only if I can use this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=108789&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 10, 2012, 04:58:53 PM
Milling is easy on the computer as you know exactly how many cards you have in your deck!  :-P

I think you'd find my deck pretty easy to beat anyways as to get enough mill cards you pretty much have to take nothing else. I expect it to die fast!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2012, 05:54:44 PM
I'm going to make a 60 card extended deck because I like those multi coloured cards.

Might not stick to the one card limit. I'll see.

I'm also going to make an m13 sealed deck to potentially use later
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 10, 2012, 06:07:45 PM
I'll make a sealed deck too then at some point. I guess if we make them in advance we can kick straight into it.

I realised at some point that some of the decks I had made early on are extended too so I should be able to go against your new deck Finlay.

I think my mill deck will be very dodgy so don't worry if I use it on you anyone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 10, 2012, 07:33:45 PM
worst card ever
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=197880&type=card)

No way that's the worst card ever.  I'd actually pick that pretty high in a draft.  Removal is always at a premium, and it only has one white mana in its cost, so it'd be easy to use in a secondary or even tertiary "splash" color.

This is the worst card ever:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=34917&type=card)

It's like a horrible Flametongue Kavu, one of my favorite cards ever printed.  Goretusk Firebeast's very existance is an affront to Flametongue Kavus everywhere.  At the Judgement pre-release, I was asking for them for free and asking people to throw them into trades, just so I could tear them up.  I still have a ripped up one's pieces taped to the inside of one of my card boxes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on August 10, 2012, 07:48:46 PM
This is the worst card ever:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=34917&type=card)


Is it really that bad? I mean it's like a 4 points of direct damage Fireball for +1 colourless mana, where that one colourless gets you a 2/2 creature.

My vote for worst card(s), those 5 rares from Revised, where you could give a creature Protection from Colour (one of the 5 obviously, you couldn't choose).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2012, 08:11:25 PM
I'll make a sealed deck too then at some point. I guess if we make them in advance we can kick straight into it.

I realised at some point that some of the decks I had made early on are extended too so I should be able to go against your new deck Finlay.

I think my mill deck will be very dodgy so don't worry if I use it on you anyone!

I always make my sealeds in advance, because it takes me ages, and my son means I cant stay up late like the rest of you guys!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 10, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
Is it really that bad? I mean it's like a 4 points of direct damage Fireball for +1 colourless mana, where that one colourless gets you a 2/2 creature.

I admit that I was exaggurating a bit, but I still think it's up there.  It lacks the flexibility of Fireball (which also isn't amazing).  Fireball can kill a 1-toughness guy on turn two, burn for 4, or finish an opponent at 10 life in the late game.  Goretusk Firebeast only does one of the above.  Honestly, for 6 mana, I'd take a 4/4 with evasion or a 5/5 vanilla over the Firebeast.

But again, my opinion is tainted by my love of Flametongue Kavu, possibly the best red creature ever printed.  If I had a dollar for every 2-for-1 trade (or even 3-for-1, after bouncing him with the Shivan Wurm I played the next turn) good ol' FTK has given me, I'd be a rich man.  Then they print this guy, as if Wizards went all FTK apologist.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 10, 2012, 08:33:33 PM
Is it really that bad? I mean it's like a 4 points of direct damage Fireball for +1 colourless mana, where that one colourless gets you a 2/2 creature.

I admit that I was exaggurating a bit, but I still think it's up there.  It lacks the flexibility of Fireball (which also isn't amazing).  Fireball can kill a 1-toughness guy on turn two, burn for 4, or finish an opponent at 10 life in the late game.  Goretusk Firebeast only does one of the above.  Honestly, for 6 mana, I'd take a 4/4 with evasion or a 5/5 vanilla over the Firebeast.

But again, my opinion is tainted by my love of Flametongue Kavu, possibly the best red creature ever printed.  If I had a dollar for every 2-for-1 trade (or even 3-for-1, after bouncing him with the Shivan Wurm I played the next turn) good ol' FTK has given me, I'd be a rich man.  Then they print this guy, as if Wizards went all FTK apologist.

Back in the good old days of invasion block construted I would face FTK's regularly, I can't count the number of times I've responded to a FTK being played by playing a bounce spell on my own creature. Having the opponent deal 4 damage to his own creature was priceless. =)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 10, 2012, 10:07:56 PM
Back in the good old days of invasion block construted I would face FTK's regularly, I can't count the number of times I've responded to a FTK being played by playing a bounce spell on my own creature. Having the opponent deal 4 damage to his own creature was priceless. =)

That's a nice trick, I've had it done to me a few times.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 10, 2012, 11:14:17 PM
Sorry Rufus and Finlay, I tried to tell you I was heading out but I guess you didn't see it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2012, 11:26:40 PM
Oh, no problem!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2012, 11:41:26 PM
Cascade is a stupid rule. I don't like alara!

Ghosts to the rescue though. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooo!


Hmmm, looking at some other cascade cards, which suck, I think it's just that bloodbraid elf that's overpowered.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2012, 11:57:00 PM
and it means I dont have anything more than 4 cmc in the deck.

It's a good card, but I don't think it's that bent. and my deck certainly has no answer to the ghosts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2012, 12:01:07 AM
It's got a high rating on gatherer, and the comments claim it won a lot of tournaments, or something. So there you go!

Have we ever played birds vs ghosts? That might be interesting.


Too bad the ugly fake hobbits were rubbish. Though to be fair on them I had no land to cast any.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 11, 2012, 12:03:40 AM
Oblivion ring has a high rating on gatherer too. Rancor is rated higher than that elf I think!

I think we did birds vs ghosts once, and the birds outsped the ghosts. We can try again tomorrow!

Fake hobbits might be alright in other circumstances. The one mana with ability to tap creatures certainly is useful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
Of course oblivion ring and rancor are better! But that elf is still very cheap. You can't even stop him cascading by countering him, since it triggers when he's cast!

The ghosts want a rematch then. They can be fast if the planets align correctly.

I made the fake hobbit deck by just adding one of each! So it was a random selection. I think there were some good ones in there somewhere. But it's disappointing that they aren't proper hobbits.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 11, 2012, 11:44:40 AM
It's got a high rating on gatherer, and the comments claim it won a lot of tournaments, or something. So there you go!

Yeah, cascade was the deck to beat when it was in Standard.  The idea of Bloodbraid Elf-ing into Maestrom Pulse still pisses me off.

Also, Oblivion Rings rocks.  I love white so much.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 11, 2012, 02:02:10 PM
Fake hobbits?

I am trying to work out what those might be...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 11, 2012, 02:42:19 PM
Fake hobbits?

I am trying to work out what those might be...

He probably means the Kithkin from Lorwyn block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2012, 05:22:32 PM
That's right.

They aren't as awesome as actual hobbits though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 11, 2012, 05:37:33 PM
Ah ok. For a minute I thought you might mean kors and I was going to protest.  :-P

Just got another of my highlander decks into line. Had to remove like 12 rares and 3 mythics!

I think maybe the new rules are a good thing...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 11, 2012, 05:43:43 PM
Hi, I play MtG.

Memnarch deck is what I play. :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 11, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
I tried making a new deck last night, but it felt too much like work so I stopped. Too many cards to look at!

Plus all those extra deck-building rules made it too complicated.


What is this!? you can play online!? WHat have I been missing!!  ::heretic::

You download this program:

http://gccg.sourceforge.net/

And install it! Then you can play magic online for free.

Come play, Syphon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2012, 05:55:57 PM
Memnarch deck is what I play. :)

What's a memnarch?



Quote from: Siberius
For a minute I thought you might mean kors and I was going to protest.

...and what's a kor? Is it a bit hobbit-y?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 11, 2012, 06:28:16 PM
Finished my highlander deck, at last!

(5 colors, 5 rares + 1 mythic, 69 commons and 25 uncommons.) Feel free to challange me to highlander guys =)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 11, 2012, 07:00:24 PM

...and what's a kor? Is it a bit hobbit-y?

The Kor are a bunch of masochists that share all damage between them you can redirect damage from a Kor to another one there was one deck where damage was doubled everytime it was dealt so you could fling it between to Kors and at one point redirect it to the opponent.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2012, 11:07:50 PM
Oh dear, I think I just fireballed Noibn so hard he quit the game!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 11, 2012, 11:33:26 PM
Oh dear, I think I just fireballed Noibn so hard he quit the game!  ::heretic::

Oh snap!  X = GG, son
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 12, 2012, 12:42:27 AM
Oh dear, I think I just fireballed Noibn so hard he quit the game!  ::heretic::

Hehe, yeah I figured that you might have gotten that impression. But it was another one of those connection problem thingys. Odd timing thou =)

Those were some great games we had there, well apart from the third one maybe, when you got manascrewed. I really enjoyed it. If it weren't for the fact that it's so time consuming i would would one more highlander deck.

I like how you guys seem to have a theme with yours... Like counterburn etc. I didn't put so much thought into my deck, just picked what i liked from all colors.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 12, 2012, 12:55:45 AM
Ha ha, I knew it was a connection problem. But an amusing one.

Yes, I enjoyed it! Though I find highlander decks frustratingly inconsistent. I suppose that's the idea!

I thought your theme was 'crazy 5-colour deck.'  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 12, 2012, 07:32:20 AM
That's always Noibn's theme isn't it?  :-P

Do you have fusion elemental in there noibn? Probably not all that great but I have always loved it. 1 of each mana for an 8/8!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 12, 2012, 10:15:43 AM
I think Noibn should use this!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=109718&type=card)


It's legal in Modern.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 12, 2012, 12:47:37 PM
I'm officially not playing Noibn in modern!

I'm on the site now but none of you guys is there... boo!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 12, 2012, 11:50:07 PM
I'm on now but you aren't.

I really need that huntsman of the fells to complete my dark ascension set!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 13, 2012, 06:36:42 AM
I'm officially not playing Noibn in modern!

Now Vaskel, why would go and say a crazy thing like that?  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 13, 2012, 04:10:28 PM
I hope someone wants to play magic later... I made a new squid deck! Not highlander, since highlander sucks for themes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 13, 2012, 04:15:59 PM
When are you getting on, 10?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 13, 2012, 04:24:33 PM
Not sure, maybe 10:30?

It's a modern deck. It might suck, actually, so I don't want to play against a really fast deck!

Thinking about it, maybe I don't want to use it at all. It might just lose depressingly.... hmmm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 13, 2012, 09:05:22 PM
OK, I am on now!


Huh, that deck doesn't work at all.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 13, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
It's so sad when you make a new deck and it just gets smashed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 13, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
Come back Rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 13, 2012, 10:20:28 PM
Sorry, feeling unhappy about magic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 13, 2012, 10:22:38 PM
I didnt even want to play tonight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 13, 2012, 10:25:51 PM
I know what you mean, I had that the last couple of days...

It's a weird game. Great feeling when it's going pow pow pow. Totally depressing whenever it isn't...

There isn't often any middle ground.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 13, 2012, 10:27:54 PM
Sorry.

Bad loser! But really, nothing was going right.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 13, 2012, 10:35:04 PM
The middle ground is best though. I hate feeling like I don't have a chance, but I don't mind losing

After I said I didn't like Highlander, my next 3 games were close, with two ending with someone on one health.

I find I have more fun the more time I have

If I'm rushing a few games in before bed its invariably not fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 13, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
I know what you mean. Plus that's always when you get a big stall!

I'm enjoying Highlander more too. You guys just need to make more decks so I get to face more stuff  :-P

Plus I need to run into Noibn again. Haven't played him in ages!

Pretty pleased with my soldier deck. I don't think it's outrageously fast or anything, but if they start getting on the table more than 3 of them, they get pretty nifty. Need to try it against more decks though. Rufus had some technical deck difficulties today.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 13, 2012, 11:37:52 PM
Rufus had some technical deck difficulties today.

I certainly did! I'm glad I won a game in the end!


I need to remake my squid deck, having deleted it. But make it better!

I'll have a go at another highlander deck too at some point.
Edit: made a merfolk deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 14, 2012, 10:01:28 PM
Siby and I independently made mono-blue highlander merfolk decks! Both with Lorthos the Tidemaker as the mythic card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 15, 2012, 12:16:31 AM
It was weird...

And somehow in 3 games neither one of us got out a proper monster.. too much little stuff going on to get them out.

The last game was classic... Had you down to 2 health!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on August 15, 2012, 04:18:12 AM
Can somebody help me here:

If I sacrifice a creature can I use regenerate?
If I can does the regeneration cancel the sacrifice?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 15, 2012, 06:37:19 AM
Can somebody help me here:

If I sacrifice a creature can I use regenerate?
If I can does the regeneration cancel the sacrifice?

Nope, you can't regenerate a creature that you sacrifice (well technically you can, but the regeneration effect won't prevent the creature from being sacrificed).

"Regenerate" only works in cases where your creature is destroyed. Such as when it recives combat damage and/or direct damage equal to or greater then it's toughness. Or when a spell is played that specifically says "destroy" in regards to creautres. That means that "sacrifice effects" and "-X/-X effects" are not negated by regeneration.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 15, 2012, 08:35:27 AM
Right, so if you want to 'cheat' at sacrificing, use this guy:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=226565&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 15, 2012, 08:42:23 AM
That creature is awesome
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: RockabillGR on August 15, 2012, 12:24:34 PM
thanks all!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 15, 2012, 09:09:33 PM
Noibn just had 160 life and I somehow still wasn't out of the game!

I needed to draw my artifact kill, but alas it was not to be. I did have a flying, vigilent, first strike, protection from creatures, 7 swinging legendary soldier though who could decide who blocked. He did all he could but my fragile life total let me down!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 15, 2012, 09:42:27 PM
160 life!

did he use that card Im posted the other day?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 15, 2012, 09:47:22 PM
He used it on me and I conceded.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 15, 2012, 10:29:04 PM
.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 15, 2012, 10:31:55 PM
Highlander is so annoying. At least 70% of the time. Too random!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 15, 2012, 10:37:19 PM
I think magic is annoying 70% of the time.


Annoying when you know what my goblins are gonna do, annoying when I gavony township up all my humans, annoying when my birds get soul catchers aerie, or annoying when my bloodbraid elf cascades stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 15, 2012, 10:38:50 PM
Oh dear, so basically I complain all the time and am horrible to play against.

We keep having this conversation!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 15, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
sometimes!


But I get annoyed at it too, and don't have fun on the programme probably at least half the time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 15, 2012, 10:50:08 PM
Highlander is so annoying. At least 70% of the time. Too random!

It's designed that way.  EDH/Commander/Highlander were designed to increase variance and deepen the pool of cards used.  It's a reaction to the narrow cardpool, 4-of-everything, hyper-tuned decks that one sees at tournaments.  Personally, I enjoy both, for different reasons. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 15, 2012, 10:55:14 PM
I have been enjoying highlander recently. Me and Rufus went 2 to 1 yesterday and same with Noibn today. Even when he got up to 100 life I still had a chance because he could not guarantee what he needed. In the end he burned for victory both games.

Every time I play normal I feel like it's a 5 minute race to see who's trick works fastest!

So I hope you guys keep playing  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 15, 2012, 11:59:24 PM
Every time I play normal I feel like it's a 5 minute race to see who's trick works fastest!


But highlander is like a 30 minute race to see whose trick works fastest!

Or who doesn't get a huge run of land, or no land at all. Or who gets an amazing artifact while the other persons artifact-killing cards are impossibly far away inside an enormous deck.


Sealed is better. And faster!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 16, 2012, 12:59:04 AM
Are you guys just dueling with highlander decks?  Or does the game support multiplayer?  Part of the draw of EDH for me is the multiplayer aspect.  That way when someone does bust out that broken card/combo, there's a whole table's worth of removal to take it down.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 16, 2012, 08:33:31 AM
I donīt have as many games under my belt as you guys but the one I enjoyed most so far was the 2 v 2.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2012, 08:36:08 AM
Hmmm, didn't that game take a really long time?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 16, 2012, 08:39:14 AM
Yes but it was very close and exciting to the very last turn when we lost due a fog.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 16, 2012, 10:12:13 AM
Don’t think it took that long. Highlanders last 20-30 minutes! It just took longer because it was the first time we did it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2012, 10:30:25 AM
Well, I wasn't in that game, but was waiting to play someone, so it felt like it took forever!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Feanor Fire Heart on August 16, 2012, 07:42:55 PM
I cant remember what the name of the card was (something the lion)  he was a creature that if you use his ability, all creatures in play die.  The tag line was something about king of the jungle.  was a white magic card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 16, 2012, 08:09:14 PM
I cant remember what the name of the card was (something the lion)  he was a creature that if you use his ability, all creatures in play die.  The tag line was something about king of the jungle.  was a white magic card.

This guy?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=24565&type=card)

Solid card.  He rotates in and out of my EDH deck. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2012, 08:28:02 PM
I actually have one of those. I could never work out what he was supposed to be. Weird giant with a tiny head?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Feanor Fire Heart on August 16, 2012, 08:38:26 PM
I cant remember what the name of the card was (something the lion)  he was a creature that if you use his ability, all creatures in play die.  The tag line was something about king of the jungle.  was a white magic card.

This guy?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=24565&type=card)

Solid card.  He rotates in and out of my EDH deck.
yeah my brother had him in his deck.  I was lucky enough to have a spell that melted him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 16, 2012, 08:43:48 PM
Can see that you're logged on Rufus, but you're "away"... Tst tsk
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
I should use this against you!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175385&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 16, 2012, 10:29:21 PM
This guy is better:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=136204&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
That card layout annoys me though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on August 16, 2012, 10:37:14 PM
I cant remember what the name of the card was (something the lion)  he was a creature that if you use his ability, all creatures in play die.  The tag line was something about king of the jungle.  was a white magic card.

This guy?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=24565&type=card)

Solid card.  He rotates in and out of my EDH deck.
yeah my brother had him in his deck.  I was lucky enough to have a spell that melted him.
You can never have enough global removal
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 16, 2012, 11:05:25 PM
That card layout annoys me though.

Me too.  They were supposed to be from the future or whatever.  I hope the card faces never look like that in real life.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 17, 2012, 11:00:56 AM
Oh dear, I might buy some actual magic cards.

(http://client-cdn.crystalcommerce.com/photo/trolltradercards/file/8eb0ecac39a84772d1a4ab261820d7e6/medium/1033_ddivg_trv372dh8b.jpg)

Izzet = red/blue with that awesome dragon! And dead elves (the other deck) are also a good thing.

Maybe!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 17, 2012, 11:08:55 AM
What's that, the next block?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 17, 2012, 11:22:28 AM
I think it's a preview for the next block, or something. It comes out about a month before the new block.

I think voltorb might be back!


Plus that deck has this guy, who is blue/red-tastic:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96952&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 17, 2012, 11:28:29 AM
He's quite expensive, but cool. His flavour text is awesome!

Can I look at the stuff on Gatherer?


I'm going to buy more cards anyway, so I have more than one deck.


Perhaps next time we meet up we can do some sealed games for real or something?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 17, 2012, 12:52:53 PM
I think it's a preview for the next block, or something. It comes out about a month before the new block.

I think voltorb might be back!


Plus that deck has this guy, who is blue/red-tastic:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96952&type=card)

I think that's an old block actually, Ravnica-block if I'm not mistaken. Lot's of cool gold cards in that one... If find those blocks alot more fun and diverse than the artifact heavy ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 17, 2012, 03:04:04 PM
The next block is 'return to ravinika,' so that's why. Some of the old ravinika cards will probably be reprinted in the new set.

There's no list of what's actually in the duel decks set, apart from the two cards you can see on the front. But since buying an old Niv-mizzet doesn't cost that much less than buying the set (!), it's worth it.

two 60-card decks, including a reprinted niv-mizzet card with a new picture = Ģ15
one Niv-mizzet card from the old ravinika set = Ģ12!


Quote from: Finlay
Perhaps next time we meet up we can do some sealed games for real or something?

Hmm, maybe! Bit expensive though. Booster packs are like 3.50 each.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 17, 2012, 08:26:26 PM
Finlay, have you ever drafted? Maybe next time you guys do a bash you should try it. It's kinda like sealed, only more fun! I wish they had a way to do it on the site.

Rufus, I think I have a spare of one of the cards you were looking for.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 17, 2012, 09:29:14 PM
Grumpy rufus strikes again!

Sorry Siby.


hmmm, and now the program is broken.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 17, 2012, 09:36:45 PM
He's quite expensive, but cool. His flavour text is awesome!

If you turn the card on its side, the formula reads "Niv Mizzet"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 18, 2012, 03:59:31 PM
Rufus, I think I have a spare of one of the cards you were looking for.

Oh, which one? I'm still missing Bruna, angel of something; malignus; tybalt the fiend blooded. I just need those three to complete avacyn restored!

edit: not anymore! completed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 19, 2012, 05:32:23 PM
I just bought some actual magic cards.

Aurochses, so I can make an aurochs deck. It should be amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 19, 2012, 06:31:31 PM
I just bought some actual magic cards.

Aurochses, so I can make an aurochs deck. It should be amazing.

Congrads!  There's something satisfying about the physical cards, which has always been part of the draw of the game to me. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 19, 2012, 07:19:01 PM
Where did you buy them from? I liked your aurhocs deck, before you deleted it in a rage.

I want to buy another deck or too. I guess playing in person will be less strict on composition.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 20, 2012, 12:05:56 PM
But it's annoying when the cards you want are too expensive to buy!



Where did you buy them from?

I've ordered these from Magic Madhouse. But I got your bird deck from Troll Trader. The prices can vary a bit from one to the other, and they have different things in stock.

There might be other sites too. Or ebay.

Hmmm, firestorm cards looks cheaper.

Firestorm looks quite a lot cheaper for newer cards. Maybe I can get my ghost deck after all! Though buying a lot of two-colour lands really adds up.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 20, 2012, 11:43:27 PM
Oh no, I think I made Noibn disappear!

The game crashed and now he's gone.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 22, 2012, 12:13:52 AM
I feel like I haven't been on in months!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2012, 03:21:06 PM
It has been a while.

I want to use my new aurochs deck. It's cow-tastic.



Hmmm, this is banned though, right?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1243&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 23, 2012, 01:33:18 AM
I just played yoyobro as there were only 4 people in there and we had the most amazingly odd game. I used my illusion deck and we ended the game with him having 10 cards left in his deck and me 14! Never gone that low before without a milling deck. The only way he beat me was by oblivion ringing his own curse of the lose one health each turn and then casting a mythic red that destroys all permanents and everyone is on 1 health to make it come back into play... madness!

But actually kinda fun...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 23, 2012, 02:31:12 AM
Got 7th in my local standard tournament last night, which won me a pack as prize.  I ripped a Bonfire of the Damned as my rare.   8-)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on August 23, 2012, 10:55:07 AM
Got 7th in my local standard tournament last night, which won me a pack as prize.  I ripped a Bonfire of the Damned as my rare.   8-)

Nice! You should get online and play with the rest of us WE members, we could use more players :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 11:10:50 AM
I've been sidelined by actual video games.

What are the shitty hobbits called, kithkin ?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on August 23, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
the bloody site still won't work for me
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
What are the shitty hobbits called, kithkin ?

Right. There are loads of them! Some of them are probably good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 11:29:07 AM
I’m going to make a better kithkin deck than you did!



Sucks it wont work commandant… I have no technical ability whatsoever, so can’t really help!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 11:33:34 AM
Since all I did was put one of each white kithkin into a deck, without even reading them, I'm sure you will!

But my cows will stomp them regardless.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 11:39:27 AM
I wish I could make decks that weren’t weenie beat downs, just for the odd change of pace. But I can’t.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 11:43:50 AM
Make a green deck with huge creatures instead!

I'm keen to use my new themed decks. No more boring highlander for a while!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 23, 2012, 11:46:09 AM
I wonder if there are any zombie cows.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 11:55:50 AM
Make a green deck with huge creatures instead!

I'm keen to use my new themed decks. No more boring highlander for a while!
I tried, but my green deck with huge creatures didn't work at all
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 12:01:12 PM
You need lots of mana acceleration to cheat them out early.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 23, 2012, 12:03:02 PM
Yes either mana elves and get lands out cards or cheating stuff like sacrifice a creature and bring one in from your hand.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 12:13:39 PM
I had mana elves and BoPs but it never worked. I dont know enough of the lands out or sac creature cards.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139715&type=card)

best kithkin card because... It's face isn't all squishy and weird and crap looking.
Plus it's riding a sheep.

as opposed to these two, which I wont use in principle. SHIT ART IS SHIT. Just make them look like hobbits and be done with it.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=153451&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=141829&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 12:20:20 PM
I don't get this card.

You discardit to add one token?

Seems a bit... inefficient.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=222717&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 23, 2012, 12:24:15 PM
There is a card that doubles the amount of token you get each time you would get a token....also you can block with a token...sacrifice it and get a new one.


Poor Yorrick....we knew him well. Welcome the son of Yorrick.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 12:33:22 PM
They definitely did a bad job with the art for the kithkins. I want hobbits!

And I don't like that 'untap instead of tap' concept.

Some good cards though!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=140232&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=140193&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=152977&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139698&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=152623&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 12:37:49 PM
thanks rufus!

Backed up by wizened cenn, thistledown liege and cloudgoat ranger.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
That should be a good deck!


Also, this card is amusing:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=142363&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 12:44:23 PM
worst card ever.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=135451&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 12:52:03 PM
I'm thinking about even more specialised... kithkin knight army! might do both.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 23, 2012, 01:19:01 PM
I don't get this card.

You discardit to add one token?

Seems a bit... inefficient.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=222717&type=card)

If I am understanding it right, you discard it to get a +1+1 counter, which isn't so bad, especially since you can do it anytime, perhaps catching your opponent offguard in the middle of an important combat. And if you are running mono white you may well be able to afford to lose a land as the game goes on.

Out of interest, what sorta decks are you guys making? Anything goes decks or what? I'd love to build a kor deck so we can have a battle if the weird k creatures!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 01:29:28 PM
Rufus made an Aurochs deck and a squid deck, both of which are legacy. His squid deck has some banned cards!

I’m fairly happy to play anything. As long as it doesn’t annoy me too much! You wouldn’t (Well, I wouldn’t) in a casual setting say “uh, excuse me, you can’t use that deck because it’s legacy but mine is only extended”
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 01:30:49 PM
I don't like that land much. But maybe it's worth including just for the theme.

The medic looks terrible though!


Quote from: Finlay
I'm thinking about even more specialised... kithkin knight army!

What, just kithkin knights? Are there enough?


Quote from: Siberius
Out of interest, what sorta decks are you guys making? Anything goes decks or what? I'd love to build a kor deck so we can have a battle if the weird k creatures!

Constructed with a cool theme! Legacy since an aurochs deck is impossible otherwise. Also my squid deck is illegal in modern or extended, because ponder is banned in those formats (though not in standard or legacy).

Kor deck sounds good!


No boring decks though! If people start making lock decks that stall the game for an hour before eventually winning, I'll be forced to make some sort of ridiculous high tide/time spiral deck and recursion your house down.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 23, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
What is the public opinion on my soldier deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 01:43:44 PM
Uh, what was in it? I don't remember.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 23, 2012, 01:44:40 PM
Longbow archers.....I think you crushed them twice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 01:45:44 PM
Nothing wrong with those. I should think it's great!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 01:48:02 PM
You should add the newer version of longbow men!
I found them a bit annoying, but did only play them once.
Are you going to get on tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 01:51:55 PM
Regarding longbow archers:

This version is amazing:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3719&type=card)


while this version sucks:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=25549&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 01:56:09 PM
why, the art?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 23, 2012, 01:57:40 PM
Yes....also the reason I have put the old versions in the deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 01:59:08 PM
Of course!

The first one is atmospheric, while the second one is washed-out and dull. Also, the flavour text is better on the first one. Visions was a great set.

Example!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3629&type=card)

Another one!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3604&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
Ok, you can keep the old one, I believe you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 23, 2012, 02:13:02 PM
Mirage was also very nice.......it was the edition I started with magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 02:21:37 PM
Ha, me too! Quite a lot of weak cards (even by the standards of the time), but the theme is great, as is a lot of the art.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 23, 2012, 02:23:55 PM
Yes...first rare card I got was.....hmmmmm



yes

this one

(http://www.menschen-und-magic.de/images/cards/mi/grinningtotem.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 02:26:11 PM
I always wanted that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 23, 2012, 02:27:07 PM
 :happy:

Well always one step ahead!

I wonder if it was stolen with the other rare cards or if it is still with the packs.

I will call the fellow this evening and ask him to put my cards on a pile and that i will collect them the next time I come down to Singen.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 23, 2012, 02:42:11 PM
Regarding longbow archers:

This version is amazing:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3719&type=card)


while this version sucks:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=25549&type=card)

I like both versions. Plus all the second card is lacking from it's flavour text is the line "all we know is that they call him the Stig!"


As to that land again, at worst it is a plain so I can't see how having it is in any way not worth doing, unless you have some kind of 'how many plains you have' card.

Ok I will go make some flavourful decks, though most of my decks are that way anyhow. I like a feeling of cohesion. Probabaly why I lose a lot... :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 07:12:57 PM
amazing tribal card! birds or kithkin would be ace.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=153151&type=card)

my deck is really expensive to buy with the fake money. And 2 of the cards arent even for sale. Boo!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 23, 2012, 08:15:04 PM
I don't get this card.

You discardit to add one token?

Seems a bit... inefficient.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=222717&type=card)

Wizards R&D has striving to make extra land draws not screw you, and this is an example.  If you draw it early, it's slightly worse than a Plains.  But if you draw it late (when you don't really need more lands in play), it gives you something useful to do with it.  I'm glad they're doing this, although this particular card isn't particularly amazing. 

If you're making a Kithkin deck, this guy is aces...I even play him in Legacy:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=222708&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2012, 08:30:40 PM
Yeh, got him.
shit art though. Why is it's head so weird!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2012, 11:22:37 PM
Surely that's a she.


I think magic on computer is a million times more depressing than magic in reality. It makes me angry!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 23, 2012, 11:43:56 PM
My fun wolf deck is doing awfully well. I figured having just wolves with no werewolves or elves would be a bit rubbish but in one game earlier I double overrunned vs noibn for 44 damage. And that was just off of 4 creatures!

It may just have been lucky so far though...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 24, 2012, 12:36:32 AM
Surely that's a she.

LOL, yeah, I can see that.  It's common Magic slang to refer to creatures as "dudes" of "guys" regardless of gender.  The only card I consistanly refer to as "she" is Avacyn, the general of my EDH/Commander deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 24, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
I find it very hard to resist the temptation to add 4 oblivion rings to any deck with white.



My kithkin were wrecking face last night, but then rufus played Riders of Gavony.

I have no removal, and only one creature who isn't a kithkin, whos job is to summon kithkin!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139664&type=card)


Do I keep no oblivion rings to make the deck friendly, and if someone plays something I cant deal with, then I just take it on the chin as a loss, purely relying on the speed of the deck to win before the opposition gets anything unplayable out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 24, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
Your deck was so absurdly fast and mean that I felt forced to unleash the humans of doom on it!

Not one to play against nice decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 24, 2012, 12:55:24 PM
Your deck was so absurdly fast and mean that I felt forced to unleash the humans of doom on it!

Not one to play against nice decks.
Except you only tried it once vs each of your new decks. too small sample size. Although I think the squid deck is a particularly bad matchup.

lots of big trampling aurochses would call me trouble though.

I want to try kithkin vs other people before we judge it. I don't think it's too mean.
Also I only have 3 of those ghost hobbits, I just drew them each game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 24, 2012, 01:06:57 PM
I think themed decks are prone to die to certain cards but they are more fun than unthemed decks....has anyone already a goblin deck? I could slap some kithkin asses with Goblins should be a fair fight...or a Vampire deck after all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 24, 2012, 01:12:17 PM
I’ve got a standard goblin deck.
Adaptive automatons for plus 1/1
Goblin chief for plus 1/1 and haste.
Krenko for spamming hasted 3/3 goblins

Boom.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 24, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
Goblin bombs?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 24, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
of course, combod with

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=266050&type=card)

6 damage for 2 mana. oh hells yeh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 24, 2012, 01:28:00 PM
Goblins are perhaps the most powerful tribal deck you can do, if you allow all the card sets. There are a million goblins, including some totally broken ones.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 24, 2012, 01:30:20 PM
Not faeries? I’ve read a lot about them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 24, 2012, 01:36:14 PM
Faeries were good in the lorwyn/eventide sets, I think. But goblins are better in general.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=9851&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=191368&type=card)

used to drop this for free:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=193751&type=card)

Find them with these:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3687&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=157933&type=card)

Then there's Krenko and the other goblin lords. Add burn spells = win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 24, 2012, 01:36:44 PM
I'm not playing anyone using that deck though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 24, 2012, 01:41:39 PM
How do you force through the lackey and instigator, just with the fact they are first turners?

Legacy can be truly abused. My non standard decks would all have been standard at some point.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 24, 2012, 01:56:28 PM
Vampires I hate. They are not only fast but packed with lots of abilities like lifelink, flying etc. One of my least favourite things to face off against.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 24, 2012, 07:53:50 PM
I find it very hard to resist the temptation to add 4 oblivion rings to any deck with white.

...

Do I keep no oblivion rings to make the deck friendly, and if someone plays something I cant deal with, then I just take it on the chin as a loss, purely relying on the speed of the deck to win before the opposition gets anything unplayable out.

I don't think 4 removal spells should make a deck unfriendly.  To me, running a deck with no removal at all just seems insane.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 24, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
So I am really enjoying this guy in my naya deck. Really makes wooly thoctor look a bit silly good.

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/arb/70.jpg)

Last game I was able to go turn 2:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=179589&type=card)

Turn 3: Wooly Thoctor

Turn 4: Knight of New Alara

That is a tasty bit of pain coming in turn 5...



Also, I have always wanted to use this guy but never built a deck to do it...  he's just so cool looking...

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/cfx/121.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
I'm not sure which is worse: games that are over in two turns, or highlander games that drag on for an hour. There has to be some sort of middle ground where you can actually have fun.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2012, 11:42:43 AM
Squid victory, hurrah!

If in doubt, add brainstorm.


Hmm, but only one victory. It's just not a very good deck. Ula's temple is weak. Which is why I also use high tide in my actual deck, and it still sucks more than half the time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 25, 2012, 01:08:08 PM
Does anyone have any kithkin lorwyn cards they want to sell to me?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 25, 2012, 04:41:01 PM
I have zilch from that block, but I finally finished Dark Ascension. Including buying something or other off Rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2012, 04:44:50 PM
I have zilch from that block, but I finally finished Dark Ascension. Including buying something or other off Rufus!

Oh, thanks! I wonder what it was?

I've nearly done coldsnap now. I need two cards! But no money left. People need to buy more of my pretend cards with their pretend money.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2012, 05:49:48 PM
Just to check:

A kor that gave other kors +4/+4 died to first strike damage. His kor friends no longer have +4/+4 when they deal their own damage, right? First strike happens in an extra combat step.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 25, 2012, 06:07:32 PM
I so had the combo going too. A tonne of 5/5 kors coming at you. Afterwards I wondered whether I should have attacked with everyone but him but I don't think it would have helped. I needed his lifelink to avoid dying next turn.

I forget how much removal I have in that deck but it might need to be a tad more!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 25, 2012, 06:32:07 PM
and now you're both gone and I'm abandoned with no one to play. boo hoo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2012, 12:05:17 AM
Cow power!

And I completed cold snap! I like cold snap - all those snowy cards! Ice age with better art.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2012, 12:17:11 AM
Cow power!

And I completed cold snap! I like cold snap - all those snowy cards! Ice age with better art.
are there any deck search cards you could use to get the herds earlier? once the herds come out it's tough to stop them. trample tastic.


I managed to use this to make 8 hobbits 7/7

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=141818&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2012, 12:22:18 AM
Mirror entity is good! I need to steal that for my deck.


Hmmm, could use worldly tutor to find the squadron cows:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=15429&type=card)


Or this, but it's banned. Booooo!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=6150&type=card)

I have the actual card of that too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2012, 12:29:50 AM
I think worldly tutor would make the deck loads better.

Could find rofellos or the herd.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2012, 12:43:26 AM
Yes, I'll add the tutor for sure.

I just looked up the real price of mutavaults. Prohibitive!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2012, 10:59:46 AM
Hey Siby,

This is indeed banned! In extended and modern.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=198383&type=card)


Not in legacy though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2012, 11:29:05 AM
That card, along with Jace, are basically the only cards that got banned from standard. Bent as all fuck!

ME and Rufus are going to do sealed tonight with 2 lorwyn, 2 shadowmoor, 1 morningtide and 1 eventide.
Feel free to make sealed decks to join us.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 26, 2012, 11:43:48 AM
Fandirs new theme deck...Trust Issues
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2012, 05:31:42 PM
Hey Siby,

This is indeed banned! In extended and modern.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=198383&type=card)


Not in legacy though.

Didn't help me out all that much, I still lost to a 9/9 flying first stike halfling... I ask you which is more wrong!  :-P

Plus it is totally in keeping with my deck so I am keeping it in there until someone decides it's broken how I play it. I mean it really only searches for artifacts which there are a bunch of other cards you can use for anyways. Not to mention diabolic tutors and the like.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 26, 2012, 06:17:44 PM
I have to make an anti Noibn deck...it seems he always gets a legend out turn 2 which screws everything up that one might be able to do.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2012, 06:52:11 PM
Shapeshifter deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 26, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
Yes I did....but it doesnīt work well yet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 26, 2012, 08:55:26 PM
Hey Siby,

This is indeed banned! In extended and modern.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=198383&type=card)


Not in legacy though.

Didn't help me out all that much, I still lost to a 9/9 flying first stike halfling... I ask you which is more wrong!  :-P

Plus it is totally in keeping with my deck so I am keeping it in there until someone decides it's broken how I play it. I mean it really only searches for artifacts which there are a bunch of other cards you can use for anyways. Not to mention diabolic tutors and the like.

It was banned in those formats because Stoneforge allows you to reliably grab your Sword of X and X, without having to run many copies of the Sword itself (which is good because drawing multiple copies of the same equipment isn't that great).  Then the same card helps you cheat said Sword into play (making it uncounterable).  Great card.  And not to toot my own horn, but I saw it as great the minute I saw the spoiler and bought a set of 4 for $4 each.  They go for $8 now, and that's after rotating out of/being banned in Standard and their banning in Modern.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2012, 09:21:38 PM
There's no one on, again! booooo
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2012, 10:01:19 PM
I don't know why it's much better than say... Elvish Piper...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2012, 10:49:19 PM
Planeswalkers = the worst thing ever to happen to magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 26, 2012, 11:06:30 PM
I don't know why it's much better than say... Elvish Piper...

Because of the tutor effect and the inherent card advantage. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
Planeswalkers = the worst thing ever to happen to magic.

You been playing someone other than us?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2012, 11:28:01 PM
No, sealed.

Garruck just ruined a game so badly we declared it undecided and quit. He stalled the game until neither of us wanted to play anymore.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2012, 12:46:14 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=152682&type=card)

+

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139508&type=card)

= hilario.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2012, 12:49:56 AM
Sneaky!

Ent deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Quickbeam on August 27, 2012, 01:04:36 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=152682&type=card)

+

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139508&type=card)

= hilario.
When I do that my brother rage quits.  :::cheers:::
I like ents  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2012, 01:11:36 AM
I'm going to make an ent deck tomorrow. Ents and hobbits! lorwyn = lotr.


do you splash other powerful creatures into a deck built on leafcrowned elder and runed stalactice? treefolk harbinger, leafcrowned elder, stoneforge mystic, runed stalactic, bit of land, then a bunch of amazing fatties.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2012, 01:16:10 AM
When I do that my brother rage quits.  :::cheers:::

That sounds like me.



Quote from: Finlay
stoneforge mystic

Banned! No.

I'd use leaf-crowned ent in a deck with lots of treemen and shamans, for all the times you can't find your stalactite.

I wouldn't put loads of huge creatures in because the deck will fail if you can't get him into play. Like my Ula's temple deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 27, 2012, 01:39:26 AM
I'm going to make an ent deck tomorrow. Ents and hobbits! lorwyn = lotr.


do you splash other powerful creatures into a deck built on leafcrowned elder and runed stalactice? treefolk harbinger, leafcrowned elder, stoneforge mystic, runed stalactic, bit of land, then a bunch of amazing fatties.

I'd try to manipulate the top of my deck so that it hit all the time.  Worldly Tutor is the obvious starting point.  Sensei's Divining Top is good too (if it's not banned).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2012, 07:35:35 AM
Summoning Trap could be a nice way to get out what you want and if you get lucky you can play it for free. It was a staple in my wall deck...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2012, 07:56:58 AM
Towie, senseis top is well banned!

Oracle of mul daya to make the tree summoner work, too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
senseis top is well banned!


Which is good, since it's the most tedious card in the world.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2012, 11:02:56 AM
I quite like this from the new set (one of the preview cards):

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_izzetcharm_5ozsxiwmed_en.jpg)


And this:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat210_goblinelectromancer_xhau9ljgi2_en.jpg)


Blue/red is definitely the most awesome thing in magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2012, 11:09:30 AM
I remember you complaining about the alara charms and they cost 3 different colours to cast!

Those two cards you found seem pretty cheap for what they do...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 27, 2012, 11:10:08 AM
Well red and blue is most awesome right after black and blue.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2012, 11:19:15 AM
I remember you complaining about the alara charms and they cost 3 different colours to cast!

I was complaining that they weren't very good! Weak effects for the cost.

It might be confusing because I say cards are 'lame' when I think they are rubbish, and also when I think they are too good!


Anyway, I just pre-ordered the duel decks set. The deck lists are here:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/210
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2012, 01:54:01 PM
Yup, I am thinking that probably was what confused me!

I'm not sure I like much from those decks but I guess that's only a small fraction of what the set will have. I just don't think those colour combos work for me personally. I like white/blue or black/white. Guess we'll see.

Will this first set boot alara from extended? If so, sniffle.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2012, 02:08:25 PM
Well, those decks are mostly old cards. Only six or so are from the new set.


I like white/blue or black/white.

Those are my favorite combinations after red/blue!


Quote
Will this first set boot alara from extended?

I guess, but what's the point of extended anyway? May as well play modern or legacy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2012, 05:27:40 PM
The point of extended is that I know all the cards  :-P.

But I guess as long as I keep up with the new sets that'll be the case anyway. There are just so many cards from the oldet sets that I can't keep up...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 27, 2012, 08:31:13 PM
I'm finally installing the program guys!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2012, 10:20:33 PM
Good stuff!

Let us know what your name is in there.

I think I am the only confusing one and that's because I am down as Vaskel, not thinking that I would be playing anyone I knew...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 28, 2012, 08:58:52 AM
All the tribes in Lorrwyn/Shadowmoor seem really easy to build good decks with. It's like joining the dots.


I think I am the only confusing one and that's because I am down as Vaskel, not thinking that I would be playing anyone I knew...

Yes, I did wonder about that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 28, 2012, 11:39:44 AM
for sure. Tribal Lorwyn is pretty good.

easy for noobs to do!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 28, 2012, 01:31:06 PM
Surely they must have intended the block to be entirely composed of ultra-fast creature decks? I'm not sure how I feel about it really. But I like the setting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 28, 2012, 01:42:38 PM
yes, a tribal emphasised creature block. But I bet they arent that much better than any of the good tribal decks at the moment. You can make fucking ridiculous zombies decks
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 28, 2012, 01:44:58 PM
Hmmm, that's true. Zendikar vampires, innistrad zombies or humans... any of those would do fine. Just don't try to play a creature deck from one of the weaker blocks against them! It would die in a fire.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 28, 2012, 02:30:08 PM
I read coldsnap is one of the most underpowered blocks ever. Of course it was just some random dude on a forum.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 28, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
Allies from Zendikar were/are a pretty decent tribe. Though unusually they are all 5 colours so there are lots of different ways to play them. Though trying to do it without and white or green is risky as the very important ones are in those.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 28, 2012, 07:34:18 PM
I'm towishimp on the program.  What formats are you guys playing, so I can make some decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 28, 2012, 07:41:37 PM
Legacy, t2, modern, extended, highlander.

I'm thinking of making an EDH but need to read what it is
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 28, 2012, 07:51:04 PM
I'm thinking of making an EDH but need to read what it is

Basically Highlander, with the addition of a "general" and a few extra deckbuilding restrictions (the main one being that all the cards in the deck must be the color or colors of your general).  Here's a link to the rules: http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php (http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on August 28, 2012, 08:02:19 PM
Legacy, t2, modern, extended, highlander.

I'm thinking of making an EDH but need to read what it is

In EDH you have a general that you cast from the command zone, as far as I know all of the cards are useable and you can not have copies of any card.   Decks are 100 cards normally.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 28, 2012, 08:42:23 PM
Legacy, t2, modern, extended, highlander.

I'm thinking of making an EDH but need to read what it is

In EDH you have a general that you cast from the command zone, as far as I know all of the cards are useable and you can not have copies of any card.   Decks are 100 cards normally.

Yep, 100 cards, including your general.  There is a banned list, but it's pretty small (and mostly aimed at cards that interact oddly with the 100-card, 40 starting life rules.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 28, 2012, 09:56:18 PM
40 life! No thanks. Highlander takes too long as it is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 28, 2012, 10:49:46 PM
40 life! No thanks. Highlander takes too long as it is.

EDH is kindof designed to take awhile, since it's a social format.  There is the added rule that if you deal 21 damage to someone with your general, they die, so there is a way to kill someone without doing 40.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 28, 2012, 10:56:11 PM
Quote
EDH is kindof designed to take awhile, since it's a social format.

Probably not suitable for playing on the computer thing then.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 29, 2012, 12:28:02 AM
I have new decks I really want to test but I guess I was too late...

Just 3 silent dudes in there when I got there...  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 01:22:28 PM
I wasn't in a magicking mood last night. I didn't play.

What are your new decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 01:48:34 PM
I knew I'd heard this name somewhere:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=153467&type=card)

Bosk
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080626154328/starwars/images/thumb/d/d2/Bossk.jpg/250px-Bossk.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 29, 2012, 01:50:12 PM
Those bounty hunters had names?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 01:54:00 PM
Everyone in Star Wars had a name.

Everyone.


But you'd only know them from the toys or books, since they don't mention them in the films!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 29, 2012, 01:57:45 PM
Sounds like some marketing thingy.

Do you know if there is a star wars book series that continues after the final battle above Endor?

My brother asked me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 02:03:23 PM
I don't like Star Wars books!

But there are definitely dozens of them that follow on from return of the jedi.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 29, 2012, 02:04:11 PM
Hmmm I want to read the Thrawn books but other than that yes the star wars books I have read so far were strange.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2012, 02:06:56 PM
they clone the empire and carry on fighting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 02:07:48 PM
Lame. Return of the jedi is definitely the end! Get lost, books.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 29, 2012, 04:34:23 PM
You need to get in on a draft with some regulars. When we did one with an oldish set here they just gave us all their cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 04:40:54 PM
But I don't want to meet real magic players! I've seen pictures!   :ph34r:


Also, I can't believe this is a rare:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=153460&type=card)

I didn't notice that before. Rare!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2012, 04:54:19 PM
That's the kithkin equivalent of murmuring bosk. JOKES
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Grrrrr!  ::heretic::

I assumed it was common, because it's really boring. But no.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 29, 2012, 09:21:38 PM
I won't argue with you on the weirdness of magic players. For the few months I drafted the players were most certainly one of the things I could have done without. They need to make a way to draft on gccg!

Towi, what sort of times of day are you likely to frequent the gccg?

Rufus, I have a mono white T2 deck which from the couple games I have had is rubbish but what I really want to try out is my tribal land deck. Yes, you heard me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 09:30:32 PM
Tribal land deck!

!

!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2012, 10:05:06 PM
Rufus just turn 3'd me.

lame!

I want to play the tribal land. Crsher Zendikar?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 10:07:38 PM
It was amazing!

Turns out high tide + untappy cards = squid victory.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 10:19:01 PM
I hate doran the stupid siege tree. Why is he 3 mana!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2012, 10:23:05 PM
I hate doran the stupid siege tree. Why is he 3 mana!
They consistently undercost the multicoloured creatures. ie entire naya stuff, wooly thoctar!

I guess in real life the cost of the multi lands oyu need is somewhat prohibitive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 10:25:10 PM
Doran is basically a joke in magic card form.

Down with 3-color cards! Lame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2012, 10:47:43 PM


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=179443&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 10:49:49 PM
Only crazy people play five color decks, so that card doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: patsy02 on August 29, 2012, 10:55:30 PM
Is Rufus actually your wife?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 29, 2012, 11:24:08 PM
Towi, what sort of times of day are you likely to frequent the gccg?

Most likely 1200-1400ish and/or 2330-0100 (EST).

They consistently undercost the multicoloured creatures. ie entire naya stuff, wooly thoctar!

I guess in real life the cost of the multi lands oyu need is somewhat prohibitive.

Rosewater has stated that they do indeed push the power of multicolored cards; they're harder to cast, and therefore you're rewarded by playing them by them being more powerful.  The effect increases the more colors that are involved.  Manabases are tricky to get right; 3 colors is the most most people run, and more often 2 except in older formats with more and better dual lands.  Even in those formats, running 3-5 colors may be doable, but it exposes you to the risk of bad draws and to attacks on your manabase (Wasteland, etc).  Note that Doran's power is also "pushed" by the fact that he's legendary, so at least your opponent can't put down more than one at a time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2012, 11:30:51 PM
So basically it's an incentive to buy more multilands. Which are all rare and expensive. Great.

Also, they hardly print any land destruction these days, and what they do print is weak.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 29, 2012, 11:59:08 PM
I was just thinking about making a land destroy deck as a nice counter balance to my land deck!

 
Rufus just turn 3'd me.

lame!

I want to play the tribal land. Crsher Zendikar?

And his zendikon friends! I am not sure how good or not it is yet because Noibn used an unusual deck against it...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 30, 2012, 02:03:36 AM
So basically it's an incentive to buy more multilands. Which are all rare and expensive. Great.

Also, they hardly print any land destruction these days, and what they do print is weak.

Yeah, they've openly nerfed land destruction lately.  There are still playable land destruction cards, though.  Acidic Slime and Ghost Quarter are both played in Standard, to remove "effect lands" and to occasionally cut off your opponent from one of their colors when they only have a single source of it, or to deepen their mana screen.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 09:15:58 AM
I don't think much of ghost quarter. I've included it in decks a few times, purely because of the name, and never wanted to activate it. It's not wasteland.

I think this should be reprinted:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=83008&type=card)


And this!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=234714&type=card)


I might make a deck with those, then trick Noibn into playing me! Ha ha.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 09:30:50 AM
Include mountainwalk creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 09:43:27 AM
Mountain goat!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2639&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 09:55:22 AM
This goat is soooooooo old.

I think there is a red card enchanted creature gets +x/+x with x being the number of mountains in play.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 10:29:11 AM
I think you can probably win with anything once your opponent's multi-lands have been turned into mountains. Unless they are playing red!


You know, I'm starting to like the newer style of card frames... but not for red. They don't look right.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 10:43:36 AM
Because it isnīt red anymore....but orange.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 11:03:05 AM
True.

Blue looks good though.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=121174&type=card)

Squid-yeti!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 11:06:03 AM
I wonder when wizards of the coast will bring out a bestiary.


Run Hans...its the Drelnoch!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 11:18:12 AM
Run Hans...its the Drelnoch!

Ha ha!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2576&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 11:21:58 AM
My very most favourite fluff text.

Ach!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 30, 2012, 11:40:11 AM
I don't think much of ghost quarter. I've included it in decks a few times, purely because of the name, and never wanted to activate it. It's not wasteland.

Of course it's not, and it can't be used to color/mana screw the other guy, which is the main point of land destruction.  I'll admit that I've been disappointed with Ghost Quarter, too; through about 20 games of tournament Standard, I've never activated it targeting my opponent's lands, although I have used it twice on myself (to fix color screw and/or provide fuel for my Grim Lavamancer...which were both nice plays, but I ultimately decided I'd be better serviced by 2 Slayer's Strongholds if I was going to have two of my lands not produce colored mana in a deck with a tight manabase).

My very most favourite fluff text.

Ach!


Definitely a classic.  My favorite card is Wrath of God, and my favorite Wrath of God gets my vote for best flavor text:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4408&type=card)

Many an opponent of mine has had to bear me reciting its flavor text while he picks up all his dead creatures.   :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 11:45:03 AM
Ha, using ghost quarter on yourself as a sort of rubbish evolving wilds seems like its main advantage! Too bad, since the picture is nice.



On another note entirely, I was just looking at the rulings for oblivion ring on gatherer:

Quote
If there are no nonland permanents on the battlefield other than an Oblivion Ring, and the card it exiled was another Oblivion Ring, casting a third Oblivion Ring will result in an involuntary infinite loop that will end the game in a draw

 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Rules lawyering  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 11:52:16 AM
Even better:

Quote
If Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield before its first ability has resolved, its second ability will trigger and do nothing. Then its first ability will resolve and exile the targeted nonland permanent forever.

So, you cast oblivion ring, and the exile ability goes on the stack. Then you respond to it by casting something to return the ring to your hand... boomerang or whatever.

Now the target is exiled forever, and you can cast your oblivion ring again! What the hell.  ::heretic::

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139414&type=card)


I think it works with Fiend Hunter too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 11:58:59 AM
So it doesnīt leave play when you return it to your hand...rubbish. Forget magic! Update Bogenhafen!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
It does leave play, but the thing it's going to exile hasn't been exiled yet... I can just imagine the response if I try to pull that trick though.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 30, 2012, 12:07:25 PM
what the fuck? dont do any of that to me rufus, or I'll virtually punch you in the face
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 12:08:06 PM
Do it to Noibn.....and prepare the link to the description you posted here.

 :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 30, 2012, 12:09:40 PM
edit! oh no!

Sorry! I edited your post instead of quoting it! Stupid rufus!

No prob, I got this...

On another note entirely, I was just looking at the rulings for oblivion ring on gatherer:

Quote
If there are no nonland permanents on the battlefield other than an Oblivion Ring, and the card it exiled was another Oblivion Ring, casting a third Oblivion Ring will result in an involuntary infinite loop that will end the game in a draw

 :icon_eek:

That's awesome, made me giggle.  Magic is so great, how the rules can take on a life of their own.

Even better:

Quote
If Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield before its first ability has resolved, its second ability will trigger and do nothing. Then its first ability will resolve and exile the targeted nonland permanent forever.

So, you cast oblivion ring, and the exile ability goes on the stack. Then you respond to it by casting something to return the ring to your hand... boomerang or whatever.

Now the target is exiled forever, and you can cast your oblivion ring again! What the hell.  ::heretic::

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139414&type=card)


I think it works with Fiend Hunter too.

It does.

My new Standard deck revolves around abusing that trick and other "enters the battlefield" triggers using her:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240096&type=card)

Thragtusks, Elvish Visionaries, and Borderland Rangers, oh my!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 12:10:31 PM
dont do any of that to me rufus, or I'll virtually punch you in the face

I believe you!  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 12:12:52 PM
(http://4photos.net/photosv2/266983_monitor_punch.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 12:14:58 PM
Sorry Towie!

I clicked 'modify' instead of 'quote!'

What an idiot.  :blush:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 30, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
nice rings!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 30, 2012, 12:38:28 PM
Sorry Towie!

I clicked 'modify' instead of 'quote!'

What an idiot.  :blush:

No worries, fixed.  And, like most second drafts, it's better than the first.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 02:20:22 PM
Glad you fixed it!


Anyway, I just discovered that there are squid-people in magic, called cephalids!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=36034&type=card)

The sad news is that they suck.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 02:22:30 PM
All squids suck....it is based on their anatomy using tentacles instead of proper apendixes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 02:33:55 PM
I was excited and then disappointed in quick succession.

On the plus side, I bought a temporal mastery, and I'm going to use it with mystical tutor. That will show someone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
There is a card that lets you win the game as soon as your libary is empty so you could squidshred your deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 30, 2012, 02:40:48 PM
Yeah, Cephalids were one of the flops of Odyssey block, along with Dwarves.  They did different tribes for those colors, basically just for the sake of being different.  It didn't work out.  The only Cephalid I've seen played in constructed is:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=27175&type=card)

She saw pretty heavy use as a sideboard card against Legacy Merfolk deks...absolutely wrecks them if resolved.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 30, 2012, 03:06:37 PM
I think she also can work well if you change the colours of permanents....but too much hazzle.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2012, 04:36:29 PM
I like the squid queen!

Too bad she has such a limited ability. They should re-do the squid people in a new set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 31, 2012, 03:27:25 PM
Should I use fat ghost in my ghost deck?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240080&type=card)

Or would his upkeep cost clash too much with my other ghosts? He's quite big, especially if boosted by drogskol and favorable winds.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 31, 2012, 04:12:53 PM
If it were 1 total I think it'd be fine but 1 per creature seems like it will hurt you....

I just played an epic game of Snakes vs Wurms against Noibn.

I was wurms and at one point had 6or7 huge wurms out. Really I think it would have been a close game except he had noyhing to remove my hold at 7 life wurm. Crazy game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 31, 2012, 04:23:27 PM
Hmmm, but I like the picture. Plus he's called fat ghost. I might try it anyway.


Really I think it would have been a close game except he had noyhing to remove my hold at 7 life wurm.

Stall worm! He's annoying.


Are you going to be magicking later? I might be. I don't think I played yesterday.


Also, I wonder if my squid deck is too annoying to use. Finlay didn't like it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 31, 2012, 04:50:46 PM
Do you remember stall wurm vs stall tree?

I think I might be socialising in real life later today (boo!) and it'll probably be right around the time you guys usually show up.  :|
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 31, 2012, 10:35:04 PM
My wurms of doom are getting crushed by Rufus!

It is a silly idea for a deck anyways  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 31, 2012, 10:47:02 PM
I hardly saw any worms!

Unfortunate! I think you should resort to elf-power to get the worms out earlier.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 31, 2012, 11:12:58 PM
Sacrilege!

What do you think I am, some sort of cow?  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2012, 12:28:39 AM
Ha! I have to add elves to the cow deck, because there are only four different cows.



And also so I can WIN!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 01, 2012, 12:34:57 AM
Time for a livestock deck then. Elves out, goats and sheep in!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2012, 09:04:50 AM
Good plan! I'll look into that possibility!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2012, 01:06:40 PM
Hmmm, goats and sheep lack numbers. But I made a bear deck! All bears, all the time... the funny thing is, they are almost all the same card with slightly different names. Maybe a good match for the worm deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 01, 2012, 01:21:55 PM
I approve greatly!

Did you use any pillarfield ox in the cow deck? To be fair, they'd probably kinda bring it down and aside from your horrific cow duplicate guys it seems like a reasonable deck.


I found a card that could save my wurm deck...

Wurmcalling!

Not only does it have the best name ever, it also summons a wurm of varying size depending on how much mana you have. 4 of those will really help my early game...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2012, 01:39:41 PM
No, I couldn't bring myself to use that rubbish ox! There are limits to my theme-y-ness.


Wurmcalling looks amazing! Good choice.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=114917&type=card)


I was thinking about making a rhino deck, but I'm not too impressed by the available rhinos. Maybe elephants instead? Or elephants + rhinos... same thing really!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 01, 2012, 04:50:48 PM
Are you including rhinoxes? Or strictly proper ones?

If you go with elephants too, this guy is actually so good I used him in my wall deck. Aside from his 9/9ness I love the fact that you can turn either your own stuff into elephants or if more convenient, theirs. It's not even ever gonna kick you in the face as it's purely optional.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=270451&type=card)

For only 8 mana I think that's a bargain!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2012, 05:06:45 PM
loxodon's are good arent they?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 01, 2012, 06:14:08 PM
A loxodon/rhinox deck would actually be pretty scary I reckon. Lots of special rules that are quite powerful.


Talking of powerful... I just made a BEAST deck... it's quite scary and a whole lot faster than my wurms were... but will it be any good? Probably depends what it's up against...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2012, 10:32:37 AM
Beasts are good, surely. There are loads of different ones!

I like the ginormous elephant that makes other things into elephants. I think an elephant+rhino deck (including loxodons and rhino-people) is a good plan. I'm going to do that.


Hmmm, there are a lot of cards that make elephant tokens, for some reason. And a man who can turn into a rhino! Excellent.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 03, 2012, 04:16:32 PM
Yeh it's pretty nifty but mono green always runs into problems against decks that have stuff you can't answer well, like big flying creatures etc. Or big creatures in general cos if they're bigger than you, you got nothing....

I look forward to taking on the rhinophants!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on September 03, 2012, 05:05:53 PM
Once again I've failed at making a "fluffy" deck. Sorry about that Siberius, I should have know better than to use iffy cards such as ageless entity and beacon of immortality in a casual deck. They just fit in so nicely to my overall theme. Ah well, back to the drawingboard  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 03, 2012, 05:31:58 PM
It was kinda fluffy in that it was all life gain related...

It was just brutal was all   :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
I want all the people who say things are 'strictly better' than other things on the Gatherer comments to shut up.

Do I hate them more than people who say things are 'a big ask,' or not? I can't decide.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 03, 2012, 09:21:32 PM
I know!

I don't get it. Is it lingo? Or is it just people being stupid? Or both?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2012, 09:44:19 PM
blob

squad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2012, 10:34:50 AM
I hate gamer catch-phrases!  ::heretic::

It's annoying because the comments on gatherer can be useful, since they often suggest other cards that work well with the one you're looking at.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2012, 11:02:36 AM
I don’t find strictly better annoying at all! I think it’s fine to qualify how betterer something is.

“although x is strictly better than y, in situation z it can be good”
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2012, 11:07:14 AM
I hate it because they say it so much, as if the phrase has some sort of magical meaning in itself. It makes me think half the comments are written by robots!

I actually find it more annoying than all the 'storm crow is better than this' comments.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 04, 2012, 11:20:47 AM
Strictly just seems unnecessary.

I hadn't heard it used till I read it on there.

I'd have thought 'generally' would suffice.

Other gaming terms I hate:

'The combo'
'Meta'

I'm sure there's more. I kinda hate swing but I must admit to using it sometimes...  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2012, 11:29:38 AM
I think meta is the only one that strictly annoys me.

Blob squad isn’t too annoying to me because it means something, where as meta doesn’t!

I even saw blob squad used in reference to Company of Heroes, rufus (a world war two strategy game), so not strictly a 40k thing.


I cant say I ever really notice people saying strictly on gatherer though! Bet I will now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2012, 11:55:36 AM
I hate all gaming terms! Grrrrrrr!  ::heretic::


By the way, what do people think about isochron sceptres? Are they really annoying? It's the one where you load a 2-mana instant into it and then cast it every turn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2012, 11:58:35 AM
they annoy me and I only read what it does!


ultraaa gayyyyyyyyyy

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2012, 12:00:45 PM
Oh dear. You won't like my counterburn deck that has them then.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2012, 12:15:37 PM
infinite counter spells.

why would i like it?!

There's a 2 mana red spell that does 5 damage with morbid, doesnt it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2012, 12:28:35 PM
I think it's  three mana, so no luck. Lots of other good spells to use with it though!

Fire/ice is good, since you get two spells to choose from whenever you activate the sceptre. Either 2 damage that you can split up, or tap something and draw a card. Nice! Or impulse to dig through the deck looking for good stuff. Or lightning bolt. Or, of course, counterspell.

Anyway, I bought some sceptres cheap on ebay. So I'm making that deck for real!


Hey, using the sceptre counts as playing an instant, so untaps voltorb too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2012, 12:34:58 PM
I already want to punch myself in the face, thinking about playing that deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
I guess I won't be using that one against you then.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 04, 2012, 12:43:07 PM
I am going to take a looksy now before I decide.

I hope it doesn't make me want to punch finlay in the face too...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on September 04, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
I think it's  three mana, so no luck. Lots of other good spells to use with it though!

Fire/ice is good, since you get two spells to choose from whenever you activate the sceptre. Either 2 damage that you can split up, or tap something and draw a card. Nice! Or impulse to dig through the deck looking for good stuff. Or lightning bolt. Or, of course, counterspell.

Anyway, I bought some sceptres cheap on ebay. So I'm making that deck for real!


Hey, using the sceptre counts as playing an instant, so untaps voltorb too!

I think when it comes to scepter it's kind of a "piss or get off the pot" deal. People who aren't into competative play will most likely not enjoy facing it, no matter what instant spell you use with it since it's so abusive. Might as well play orim's chant/silence and lightning helix in a scepter deck. My two cents.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 04, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
Eww, I just looked at it. I'm thinking a deck with 4 of them + cheap treasure hunt guy to find them, then load in a creature and non creature counter and lightning bolt.

Just stop everything your opponent does and lightning him to death... *shudder*


PS. Noibn you've almost caught up to me in games played in there! I doubt it will be long before you zoom past.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2012, 12:52:10 PM
Does it let you cast "flash" creatures infinitely?

also, this made me laugh- off topic.

(http://cheezburger.com/6443136000)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 04, 2012, 09:51:23 PM
By the way, what do people think about isochron sceptres? Are they really annoying? It's the one where you load a 2-mana instant into it and then cast it every turn.

The key to seeing why Isochron Scepter isn't broken is to realize that if you can destroy the scepter, the owner is out two cards.  Left unchecked, they get that 2-card investment back pretty quickly, but if you nail to scepter quickly they'll either break even or be down a card (depending on whether they have 2 mana up when they cast it or not.

Also, I love Isochron Scepter.  It's probably in my top five favorite cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on September 05, 2012, 05:29:21 AM
By the way, what do people think about isochron sceptres? Are they really annoying? It's the one where you load a 2-mana instant into it and then cast it every turn.

The key to seeing why Isochron Scepter isn't broken is to realize that if you can destroy the scepter, the owner is out two cards.  Left unchecked, they get that 2-card investment back pretty quickly, but if you nail to scepter quickly they'll either break even or be down a card (depending on whether they have 2 mana up when they cast it or not.

Also, I love Isochron Scepter.  It's probably in my top five favorite cards.

This is true, but decks running scepters will most likely have counterspells in them and no doubt play the scepter when they have enough mana for counter backup. Also, you need to draw the artifact hate spell in time. Depending on the format, not many decks mainboard much artifact hate. In casual circles, scepter will be a hard card to face.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2012, 11:56:50 AM
So, these lands are back in the new set:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/fug33dgl65_en.jpg)


Massive price drop on the secondary market? Maybe they will actually become affordable.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2012, 12:08:22 PM
they count as islands and mountains too, helps the other dual lands that come into play tapped if you don't have a basic land of certain types.

I really like that art.

im quite excited about the new cards! which is annoying, as I don't really like the planned obselesence Wizards employ... I've fallen for their trap.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2012, 12:15:04 PM
I keep falling into that trap too.... oh well.

The preview cards for the new set are exciting! I want some!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2012, 12:28:59 PM
where can you look at them, and when are they coming out?

Is it just me or is the art for this new set all really good? Which is in contrast with previous stuff where in general the older art is better.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
There are preview images on the wizards site:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/returntoravnica/cig#

I think it's being updated regularly, though I only just saw it.

The release date is October 5th.


The art does look good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2012, 01:36:08 PM
the white blue charm is a bit shit compared to the others.

counterburn vs zombie +1/+1 generaters.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/lbklumm7it_en.jpg)
amazing
the two overload damage spells look amazing.

detain mechanic looks a bit annoying though. I see a few references to "gate" cards, but havent seen any.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2012, 01:44:05 PM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/8dr1r2rnte_en.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/86qwigothu_en.jpg)

beardiness for multi colours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2012, 01:51:15 PM
I like the lantern! I think the land is a renamed version of an existing card.

I probably want guttersnipes in a counterburn deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2012, 02:03:37 PM
I like the lantern too, but it sort of scuppers the “multicoloured cards are cheaper CMC than they would if one colour because you have to contrsuct your deck in a certain, disadvantageous way, to get them out.” argument
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2012, 02:06:56 PM
That argument didn't hold much water anyway!

Magic's basically gone mental power-level-wise.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on September 05, 2012, 02:32:55 PM
This 'enters the battlefield', is that just the new way to say 'enters play'? Can't really see lands 'entering the battlefield' but it must sound much cooler to the kids or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2012, 02:34:00 PM
Did it not always say that?  :icon_confused:


Oh, you're right: they did used to say 'play.'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2012, 03:22:36 PM
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/collectable-card-games/magic-the-gathering/return-to-ravnica/mtg-duel-decks-izzet-vs-golari/prod_18004.html

release 7th of september.

is that right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2012, 03:47:34 PM
It is, but that's a set with mainly old cards. Like a warm-up for return to ravnica.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 05, 2012, 04:35:22 PM
I'm definitely buying at least a box this, the previews look so good. 

There seems to definitely be a solid green/black Golgari beatdown deck in there.

So far, not seeing a ton that helps my Standard decks, but that's no biggie.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2012, 08:49:58 AM
Hold on:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/jz4oerjvvr_en.jpg)

Rare?

Warning sign of excessive rareification in this set?

See also lame common 'gate' lands vs good rare lands. I feel a backlash coming on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 06, 2012, 09:32:14 AM
That's a pretty good spell isn't it?

creature or planeswalker for 2 cmc?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2012, 09:58:04 AM
It's a basic utility spell, so shouldn't be rare.


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247166&type=card)

Common!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 06, 2012, 10:17:01 AM
Planeswalkers are a bit bent, so being able to kill them is probably really good, no? Remember we hardly ever use them where as in competetive most people do!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2012, 10:23:14 AM
But you can also hit planeswalkers with any damage spell that can target a player. There's no excuse for that card to be rare! Uncommon maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 06, 2012, 10:42:09 AM
Yes but damage spells will often not do enough damage to kill a planeswalker in one go, and the black removal spells don’t let you hit planeswalkers do they? I think it’s a pretty good spell, but they always make some shit rares anyway. Rustic Clachan!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2012, 10:55:18 AM
What I mean though is good spell =/= rare! Rarity isn't supposed to mean power level. Basic effects like killing creatures should be common, or maybe uncommon.

But I suppose it's the planeswalker thing that is pushing this one into rare.


Maybe this is just Angry Rufus syndrome in action again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 06, 2012, 11:36:46 AM
surely rarity level should have some correlation with power level?

It's definitely the planeswalker thing- either that or wizards messed up. But if they did it doesnt matter, they release so manyt cards some are bound to be dodgy.

The set looks interesting, more interesting than the current standard stuff, so far from what I've seen!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 06, 2012, 02:13:07 PM
I agree with Finlay. If I was facing planeswalkers every single game like most people probably are, this is pretty huge I would have thought. Instant kill for 2 mana.

I always thought terminate was slightly good for it's cost anyways...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 06, 2012, 11:38:14 PM
I made a faerie deck today.

Looking forward to trying it though it seems like it will be tricksy to play and play against.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2012, 11:45:15 PM
I had one, but I hated it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 07, 2012, 12:57:17 AM
Hold on:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/jz4oerjvvr_en.jpg)

Rare?

Warning sign of excessive rareification in this set?

See also lame common 'gate' lands vs good rare lands. I feel a backlash coming on!

When judging rarity, you also have to think of Limited.  Dreadbore is obviously going to be a high pick in limited, regardless of its rarity.  If it were uncommon (or god forbid, common), then Planeswalkers would then be pretty crappy in Limited.  Wizards wants planeswalkers to never be crappy.  Ditto for the gate lands...they need a lot of them running around in Limited, since there seems to be a fair number of cards that interact with gates. 

And the "shock lands" obviously have to stay at rare; for this, there is a history.  All playable multi-lands are always at rare.  As a side note, the shock lands are what finally sold me on buying a box.  It will surely pay for itself, knowing that I'll get a few shock lands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2012, 10:23:29 AM
buying a box, of what?

Do you ever go on the programme towie, I never see you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2012, 12:54:55 PM
What's the point of these, and the significance of being not a spell?

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/pch/141.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 07, 2012, 01:00:35 PM
It is a non basic land so canīt be targeted by spells that target basic lands.....I guess the artwork is nice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on September 07, 2012, 01:02:42 PM
What's the point of these, and the significance of being not a spell?

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/pch/141.jpg)

It does not trigger effects that trigger whenever a spell is cast
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 07, 2012, 01:09:43 PM
I think no land is a spell....is it? Also it is an artifact you can sacrifice it with some spells or gain a bonus on some cards...when you have x artifacts in play....
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2012, 01:18:03 PM
True, but there are a lot more anti artifact spells than anti land spells. I guess in an artifact themed deck people wouldn’t waste them on lands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2012, 01:41:56 PM
The point of them is that they count as artifacts, which can be a big deal if you have other cards that count how many artifacts you have. Notice that all the artifact lands are banned in modern because of some horrible combination!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2012, 02:11:46 PM
Hey, now there are two Niv-mizzets!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=292738&type=card)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/ejs1auge30_en.jpg)


Different names, so you can have both in play at once, even though they are the same dragon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 07, 2012, 02:19:34 PM
Look how much you have grown up lately.....*pinches the dragon in the cheek*
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on September 07, 2012, 02:23:35 PM
So you deal 1 damage with the bottom one, draw a card, and the top one subsequently does 1 damage ?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2012, 02:26:01 PM
Uh, something like that, yes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2012, 02:26:11 PM
infinite drawing and damage.

not allowed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2012, 02:27:12 PM
Isn't there a third niv mizzet, the one with the maths forumla for the flavour text which spells out niv mizzet?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2012, 02:28:10 PM
It's not infinite though! The firemind can't trigger the dracogenius.

Oh, and the third one is the first one! There are only two functionally different ones.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96952&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 07, 2012, 02:28:33 PM
It's not out yet and I already hate niv mizzet...

I don't know why, I just do.

As to the artifact lands, they would be great in a metalcraft deck because you could run mainly no artifacts and all stuff that triggers off them... Some of which is potent.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2012, 02:30:30 PM
I love Niv-Mizzet! He's a dracogenius!


As to the artifact lands, they would be great in a metalcraft deck because you could run mainly no artifacts and all stuff that triggers off them... Some of which is potent.

I'm told they are banned because of an ability called 'affinity.' I'd look it up, but I doubt I want to know.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2012, 02:58:45 PM
"This mechanic reduces the total cost of the spell by the number of certain permanents in play under your control. "

dodgy turn one and two wins!


I like niv mizzet in theory, he’s cool.

 I think that doubkle combo isn’t too bad. If you are playing a counter burn deck and it gets even one niv mizzet you, you’re probably in trouble.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2012, 03:23:38 PM
"This mechanic reduces the total cost of the spell by the number of certain permanents in play under your control. "

dodgy turn one and two wins!

Boooo!

Nothing says 'why would anyone bother to play this game at all' like a turn one or two win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 07, 2012, 04:17:16 PM
Just read them carefully. Draco version is way way better....
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 07, 2012, 04:20:09 PM
For the mana cost they are both insanely good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2012, 04:20:52 PM
6 cmc are meant to be good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on September 07, 2012, 06:24:37 PM
As they are both called "Legendary Creature - Dragon Wizard" can you have both of them in play?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 07, 2012, 07:30:07 PM
buying a box, of what?

Return to Ravinca.  I'm buying a booster box, first set since Mirroden that I've bought one.

Do you ever go on the programme towie, I never see you!

No, haven't been on since I first booted it up...work and Madden have been using up all my free time.  I should maybe bring my laptop to work with me and make some decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2012, 11:04:32 AM
Just read them carefully. Draco version is way way better....

Hmmm, I'm not sure. The original one triggers for free any time you draw a card, which is very handy (brainstorm = 3 damage for one blue mana). I want both though - I hope the new one won't be really expensive to buy!



Quote from: BAWTRM
As they are both called "Legendary Creature - Dragon Wizard" can you have both of them in play?

Yes, because the game considers them to be different legends. The gatherer rulings on other legends with multiple versions (like Ertai) confirm that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 08, 2012, 03:40:45 PM
Just read them carefully. Draco version is way way better....

In isolation, I think you're right.  The lack of a tap symbol on Dracogenius is strong.  If you drop him and untap, you're gonna do some damage. 

However, in combination with other cards, the original is far stronger.  My brother's newest EDH deck has the original Niv-Mizzet as his general.  With his general in play, the plan is to then cast lots of "everyone draws a new hand" spells as he can, often copying the draw spell for even more draws.  When he "combos out" like this, he can often kill 1 or more players in  one go (through the "21 General damage" rule).  He's not even sure the new Niv-Mizzet will make it into the deck, but I imagine that it will.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2012, 04:59:10 PM
Agreed.

On thinking more, a deck built around draw would be really good with the tap one.

Lots of howling mines etc... Divination suddenly becomes a burn spell... Ok, I can see it now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2012, 10:10:09 AM
Hmmm, looking at some more of the preview cards... it just looks like the designers were having a 'who can make the biggest creatures with the lowest mana cost' contest.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/f3c135cq4p_en.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/0ut64kj7yl_en.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/fpbqi0jmup_en.jpg)


I'm not sure I'm going to want to play with this set. Certainly I won't buy any real cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 10, 2012, 10:21:48 AM
Well but the loxodon smiter has an incredible drawback therefore the 4/4 for three mana is fine.......WHAT?  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2012, 10:24:12 AM
I've had it with this game, I think. Not fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 10, 2012, 10:28:06 AM
Yes.

Lets play warhammer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 10, 2012, 12:08:34 PM
Oh my god. all of those cards are totally dark angels.

desecration demon is the worst I think.

the loxodon smiter isn't even 3 colours.

harumph.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 10, 2012, 02:00:15 PM
Those cards are indeed rediculous!

We can still play and pretend they don't exist though! Which fortunately they don't yet...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 10, 2012, 02:16:07 PM
but if all the rares are like that.... It will suck.

Also, siby you're never on anymore!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 10, 2012, 04:46:16 PM
Ah, here's the thing.

My parents are over from the UK for a couple of weeks. Hence I have only squeezed in one game recently!

I will be back though, rest assured!

As to the new sets, I haven't seen anything I liked yet but I am gonna try and pit it aside till it arrives and then judge. Some of these cards remind me of alara block which had some outrageous seeming stuff...

We might have to just see. I am trying to wait till it comes and we get a proper feel...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 10, 2012, 06:24:11 PM
I am on there right now playing noibn!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
I can't decide if the worst thing ever to happen to magic is the concept of mythic rares or planeswalkers. I think they might be tied for first place.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2012, 11:24:23 AM
planeswalkers for me.

I hate that you dont like it Rufus, because magic is great if you can get some fairly matched decks.

I wish you could think of some composition restrictions you like!

highlander or EDH seem good, but you don't like how random they are.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2012, 11:31:27 AM


As to the new sets, I haven't seen anything I liked yet

I like this for my bird deck!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/kvqfiuw2ss_en.jpg)

but it is a bit good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2012, 01:24:58 PM
I hate that you dont like it Rufus, because magic is great if you can get some fairly matched decks.

I do like magic, it's just that a lot of the time the games are rubbish. Sometimes that's because one player's deck fails and won't give them any land, sometimes it's because your opponent is playing some tedious combination deck that doesn't interact with you at all, and sometimes it's because the players have mismatched decks that can't possibly compete on the same level.

And now it's apparently fine to have a 4/4 creature with two special abilities for 3 mana.  ::heretic::

Also, I'm pissed off that my izzet vs golgary decks haven't arrived in the bloody post yet!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2012, 01:59:57 PM
I think the 6/6 flyer for 4, which you CAN tap but you have to sac a creature and it becomes more powerful, is worse.

but we just wont use those cards!


landfail doesnt matter because the games over quick and you just restart.
the other two though, yes.


i'd complain about izzet v golgari
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 11, 2012, 04:22:19 PM
That owl is nice for sure but thankfully doesn't have flash which makes your opponent at least know what's coming. I expect to see lots of that dude.

I have a fairy in my fairy deck that is 2mana 1/1 flyer with flash and a counter ability. Pretty nifty.

I wonder if some great cards are brought down by their lack of good combos or dificulty to make work.

There are a few 'do this and you win'cards that are not even that expensive but you kinda have to build tge whole deck aroynd them so you don't see them often.

We'll see I guess.

Rufus keep playing for now and lets see how nutty the new stuff is once it hits and settles...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
yeh, he is more a preventer than actuall a counter. But still, he fits amazingly into my bird deck, regardless of the rest of the set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2012, 09:10:41 PM
i'd complain about izzet v golgari

It arrived today, so I'm happy now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 11, 2012, 11:56:43 PM
Wow, those creatures are pretty silly "efficient."   :-o

All I can really say is let's wait to see the rest of the block.  But damn, that Loxodon has me thinking Selesnia beatdown all the way.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 12, 2012, 08:35:18 AM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/wau362iyr9_en.jpg)

My annoying humans deck says thanks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 12, 2012, 09:39:19 AM
does combat damage to a player involve killing creatures, or only hurting your life.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 12, 2012, 09:43:57 AM
Damaging a player.

But since he's also a 2/2 with first strike, that ability is practically free. Of course, he's rare, like absolutely everything.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 12, 2012, 10:09:25 AM
he’s quite good for 2 mana, but doesn’t seem annoying or broken.
 maybe they’re mainly releasing spoilers for rares at the moment.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 12, 2012, 10:58:52 AM
Are you accusing me of complaining about nothing! Ha ha.

Hmm, no ghosts so far. Where are the ghosts?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 12, 2012, 11:21:19 AM
I’m saying maybe the set wont be as bad as we fear when we see it all! Maybe those 3 creatures you picked out are the worst/most efficient, and we’ll just ban them. Or maybe we’ll have to ban 10 creatures, but even so it still wouldn’t be too bad.

The bird I posted and the human you posted are good, but they’re not bent, game breaking and annoying to face.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 12, 2012, 04:15:00 PM
I am just prone to overreacting about these sorts of things!

At least it means all the mirrodin stuff will be gone from standard. No more poisonous robot zombie priests or whatever the hell it was all about.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 12, 2012, 07:32:13 PM
Any of you have Geist of St Taft  but need a Liliana?

Both from Innistrad...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 12, 2012, 07:38:03 PM
Hmm, no ghosts so far. Where are the ghosts?

They'll be in the next set, when the Orzhov are covered.

They do seem to be spoiling mostly rares...I'd like to see more commons and uncommons.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2012, 08:55:54 AM
Any of you have Geist of St Taft  but need a Liliana?

Both from Innistrad...

Sorry, no spares!



More previews:

Mass oblivion ring!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/gxddr3o9i9_en.jpg)


Counter that can't be countered.
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/wiapz5izn2_en.jpg)


And....this!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/ex8mtsafo2_en.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on September 13, 2012, 09:51:10 AM
That Mana cost symbol for the Judge's Familiar, does that mean it can be cast for either 1 white or 1 blue mana? That would actually make it cheaper than if it cost 1 mana of a particular colour.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2012, 09:55:47 AM
That Mana cost symbol for the Judge's Familiar, does that mean it can be cast for either 1 white or 1 blue mana? That would actually make it cheaper than if it cost 1 mana of a particular colour.

Yes. They call those hybrid cards. I think they originated in the first Ravnica block, quite some time ago. They were also in Lorwyn/Shadowmoor.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 13, 2012, 10:35:38 AM
That epic experiment is very broken if you construct the deck.....same with the counterspell I counter all your spells this turn oh and you canīt counter this.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2012, 01:17:22 PM
That epic experiment is very broken if you construct the deck.....same with the counterspell I counter all your spells this turn oh and you canīt counter this.

Epic experiment has a cool name!

The counterspell only counters spells that are on the stack when you cast it. So it won't get to counter more than one spell except in unusual circumstances (things like cascade or replicate).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 13, 2012, 02:45:36 PM
I believe there is an epic experiment equivalent im green that pulls out creatures. The mass oblivion thing though..eek
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Mass oblivion is good against token decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 13, 2012, 02:56:31 PM
two more rares, and a mythic rare.

Are they purposefully only spoilering rares to make people get excited about how powerful they can make their decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2012, 03:00:12 PM
I suppose so. I didn't realise there were this many rares in a set though! Is this a normal number?

I feel as though they're saying 'here are some cards that will be way too expensive to actually buy, so you can't have them. May as well stick to the free computer program thing.'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 13, 2012, 03:30:02 PM
I think there are usually quite a few rares.

Plus, isn't the first set in a block way bigger than the other ones? So maybe that'd be why there seems to be so many more rares.

I don't really know though. Seems to me so far like they are just trying to make cards that slot right into Rufus's best decks. Which frankly is not good.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 13, 2012, 03:40:10 PM
Just looking at Innistrad and in that set, in white alone there are 9 rares and 2 mythics out of 42 white cards.

Also 11 uncommon.

Leaving only 20 actual commons.

I just picked that colour and set at random as that was what I was on.

Incidentally, I think I know why you may not be selling cards too much. People undercut all the time. So I just went through all my rares for sale last night and re-undercut them. Already got $10 in the pot. Also I put that Liliana for sale at $500  :-P. You never know...  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2012, 03:44:06 PM
Hmmm, so there are a lot of rares then.

I hardly ever sell anything even when I massively undercut everyone else!


I don't really know though. Seems to me so far like they are just trying to make cards that slot right into Rufus's best decks. Which frankly is not good.  :-P

That sounds good to me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 13, 2012, 08:16:10 PM
I suppose so. I didn't realise there were this many rares in a set though! Is this a normal number?

I believe so.  As Sibirius said, the first set of a block is usually a "big set," with way more cards them "small sets."  However, with Ravnica Block II, they're going "big set, big set, small set."  The rationale is that they're cover all ten guilds in the first two blocks, instead of making some guilds wait until the third set.  The third set will include cards from all ten guilds.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2012, 09:56:10 PM
Hmmm, wasn't avacyn a big set too? Maybe they'll do two big sets a block now. More chaff cards to shower everyone with!


Also, time spiral block sealed is not working well.
EDIT: game five was good, at last.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 14, 2012, 02:43:38 AM
Hmmm, wasn't avacyn a big set too? Maybe they'll do two big sets a block now. More chaff cards to shower everyone with!

I believe you're right about Avacyn Restored.  I appreciate them tinkering with the block structure, but I too worry that it's just an excuse to print more cards.  You might remember back in the days of Time Spiral Block, Wizards's standard was to print five sets a year: a basic set, 3 block sets, plus one "bonus release" (that year it was Cold Snap, I forget what the one before that was).  But then they stopped that model because it was "too many cards for players to keep track of" (and Cold Snap did sortof get lost in the shuffle, for a variety of reasons).  Now the plan appears to be to cram more cards in, but without adding any more than the standard 4 sets per year.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2012, 11:36:19 AM
Magic has always had too many cards to keep track of, hasn't it? It's impossible to keep up unless you're a total obsessive. I don't see why they need a new base set every year either.

I did wonder where cold snap fitted in. I think they need to do another snowy block... with more aurochses in it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 14, 2012, 01:28:05 PM
I totally agree! Except the part about more cows...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2012, 01:46:17 PM
Why do you hate my cows?  :icon_sad:


Ha ha!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 14, 2012, 04:14:53 PM
I have a 100% loss record vs them! (Admittedly only from one game  :-P)


Actually I quite liked them and next time we manage to get on at the same time I wanna take them on! Maybe with fairies, that sounds amusing...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 14, 2012, 04:22:39 PM
faeries vs cows would not be amusing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2012, 04:24:44 PM
It certainly wouldn't!

Fairies would win. I'll play kithkin vs fairies though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 14, 2012, 06:14:15 PM
Are your cows that bad? They thrashed my wurms... Which in fairness were pretty pitiful.

I don't know if my faeries are all that good yet...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 14, 2012, 06:29:53 PM
Lorwyn faeries are a bit broken.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 14, 2012, 08:00:02 PM
Most of the ones in my deck cost 4 or more, there are one or two nasty legendary ones but I'm sure the way I built my deck means it is not broken  :-P except in the true meaning of the word  :wink:.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 14, 2012, 09:11:03 PM
I did wonder where cold snap fitted in. I think they need to do another snowy block... with more aurochses in it!

It was the (very) belated "finishing" of Ice Age Block (Ice Age, Alliances, Cold Snap), which of course predated the block structure...but that was the rationale.  I think Ice Age is now a valid block for "build your own block" though, so that's something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 15, 2012, 10:52:30 AM
I want to make a Niv-mizzet/swans deck.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=146754&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96952&type=card)

Unlimited card draw... then maybe:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=230788&type=card)

Win.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 15, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Where are the swans from?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 15, 2012, 02:01:53 PM
Shadowmoor. It's quite a weird card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 15, 2012, 04:04:21 PM
I think he'd be good for the birds!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2012, 10:44:22 AM
Maybe! I bought one for my ghost deck, on the grounds that he's a ghost as well as a bird. I worry that he could cause your opponent to draw lots of cards and then win in your face, however.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 16, 2012, 10:57:34 AM
Just get him out at the end with a few counters on an aerie , and shared triumph out .
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2012, 11:50:31 AM
True, he'd be a nice finisher.

I still think you want favorable winds instead of shared triumph though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 16, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
I misd playing. Every time I manage to get on there there is no one but Noibn and he's not even there...

I just keep making new decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 16, 2012, 04:48:58 PM
I've been on twice today and no one was on! I can't go on when my son is awake.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on September 16, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
I misd playing. Every time I manage to get on there there is no one but Noibn and he's not even there...

I just keep making new decks!

Aye, I must apologize. My 8 year old son keeps hogging the computer and I keep forgetting to log out/away myself =P

When I do get on the comp again I've missed everyone =/
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2012, 09:13:57 PM
There's never anyone there when I go on either. And last time I played someone I didn't know, they sideboarded against me. Which took ages and was annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 17, 2012, 12:43:02 AM
We're useless at this! I need to get my brother wolfygreiss on there again. He plays like us...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Quickbeam on September 17, 2012, 12:48:47 AM
I'd be on there all the time but poor internet bandwidth up here in the mountains makes it hard.....
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2012, 08:49:22 AM
We need to arrange times to play! I always get confused by time zone though.


Back to the preview cards... I like this effect, but 7 mana? Good luck not being dead by then.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/huqdrhkg98_en.jpg)


This is mildly amusing. They bore your opponent to death, presumably.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/rtr/ph467enaf6_en.jpg)

But it won't happen unless you increase the rate of counter production.


Oh, there's a nearly-complete card list here:

http://mtgsalvation.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 18, 2012, 10:45:49 AM
Urgh. Boring Azorius are boring.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2012, 10:49:44 AM
fireminds foresight is way overcosted i think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2012, 10:53:45 AM
Yes.

Also, stop reprinting Cancel! It's lame. Counterspell!


There are only a couple of blue or white ghosts in the spoiler, and none of them fly. They are useless to me!

Hmmm, there's a 2/2 flying ghost for 3 mana. No thanks!


I like this though:

Izzet Staticaster
   1ur
Creature - Human Wizard    Uncommon
Flash (You may cast this spell any time you could play an instant.)
Haste
{T}: Izzet Staticaster deals 1 damage to target creature and each other creature with the same name as that creature.
Illus. Scott M. Fischer   0/3
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on September 18, 2012, 12:18:58 PM
So Firemind's Foresight has you spend 7 mana to get 3 cards with a combined manacost of 6? 2 Cards advantage granted but expensive on the mana front!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2012, 12:21:38 PM
and if you have 7 mana out, cards with 1 cmc probably arent overly helpful
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2012, 12:25:09 PM
It's the kind of card that sits in your hand and taunts you while you get agro-ed to death by turn four.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2012, 12:39:42 PM
when people play those super efficient flying monsters you posted.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 20, 2012, 02:19:00 AM
So Firemind's Foresight has you spend 7 mana to get 3 cards with a combined manacost of 6? 2 Cards advantage granted but expensive on the mana front!

Seems like it could be useful as a combo engine.  Survive til turn 7, cast it EOT to grab what you need to go off, then go off on your turn.  Tutoring for 3 cards is hella powerful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 20, 2012, 09:58:21 AM
Me and rufus played a one hour game of sealed, Kamigawa block!

It was good.
The block is pretty shit in general terms of power- it must have sucked in standard if you had a kamigawa deck and then they released better stuff. But it seemed to work well with sealed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on September 20, 2012, 11:16:51 AM
Tutoring for a combo engine? Hadn't thought of that one. If the mana-costs work out it would be possible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
Me and rufus played a one hour game of sealed, Kamigawa block!

It was good.
The block is pretty shit in general terms of power- it must have sucked in standard if you had a kamigawa deck and then they released better stuff. But it seemed to work well with sealed.

Yes, it was good - I quite like the weaker blocks, I think. They make for better games then 'here's my 6/6 creature that cost 4 mana, I win!' I always feel cheated when that happens.


I wish I'd used this though.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=84703&type=card)

Amazing picture!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on September 20, 2012, 02:29:18 PM
Why? Just because of the picture? His ability seems rather crap IMO.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2012, 02:30:38 PM
Of course because of the picture!


I like this one too:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=84705&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on September 20, 2012, 03:09:03 PM
Expensive to play though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2012, 03:09:55 PM
I just like the picture! It's atmospheric.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 20, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
I just like the picture! It's atmospheric.

Yeah, that's pretty much the story on Kamigawa Block.  They decided to do an Asian-themed block because Magic was so Euro-centric.  I think they nailed the flavor with the art and some of the mechanics; problem is, the block sucked from a power level standpoint.  This fact was made even worse by the fact that half the mechanics only palyed well within the block, further cutting the block off from wider use.  It's cool to hear you guys had fun playing with it in isolation, though.  I remember Ice Age being very fun as a stand alone, but it has similar problems when it comes to its cards seeing much constructed play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on September 20, 2012, 10:28:11 PM
I just like the picture! It's atmospheric.
...problem is, the block sucked from a power level standpoint.

Kamigawa was certainly no Mirrodin block in terms of powerlevel, and that's a good thing. However i wouldn't say it sucked. Senseis Divining top, Jitte and Pithing needle all see plenty of legacy play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2012, 10:44:47 PM
Quote from: towishimp
They decided to do an Asian-themed block because Magic was so Euro-centric.

Well, apart from Mirage, Visions and... Arabian Nights, the first ever expansion!

The best magic sets are the ones with a strong theme, definitely. Which is why Alara and Zendikar don't work for me at all, but Innistrad does.

Though I don't like a set to have a clear story either. Tempest and all those = no!


Senseis Divining top

Possibly the most tedious card of all time! Though I suppose it gives you the opportunity to go and make a cup of tea while your opponent messes around with the top three cards of their deck for ages.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 20, 2012, 11:12:08 PM
Senseis Divining top

Possibly the most tedious card of all time! Though I suppose it gives you the opportunity to go and make a cup of tea while your opponent messes around with the top three cards of their deck for ages.

I couldn't agree more.  I've seen EDH leagues where they award victory points for destroying them.  My group is on the verge on banning them as "unfun"; currently we're at the "play it if you want, but be prepared to be hated out by the table for doing so" stage.

The best magic sets are the ones with a strong theme, definitely. Which is why Alara and Zendikar don't work for me at all, but Innistrad does.

Innistrad block was a triumph, from almost every perspective.  It sold (and still sells) like crazy (may be the top-selling set by the time it's all over).  It's power level is solid and it's spawned plenty of constructed decks.  And the flavor is great.  Per MaRo, it was the first set designed "top-down", by which he means they picked the theme first and then let that be the priority for all the other decisions they made about the set. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 21, 2012, 11:08:22 AM
Hurrah for Innistrad!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 21, 2012, 11:09:12 AM
Hurrah indeed! And curse upon the wittgenstein castle full of strange encounters. I start to shift towards Heinrichs....lets kill em all with every new room.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 21, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
I just like the picture! It's atmospheric.
...problem is, the block sucked from a power level standpoint.

Kamigawa was certainly no Mirrodin block in terms of powerlevel, and that's a good thing. However i wouldn't say it sucked. Senseis Divining top, Jitte and Pithing needle all see plenty of legacy play.

a few broken cards dont make the block power high.

6 mana for a 4/4 bushido 2 creature, and in the block that's ok.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on September 21, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
I just like the picture! It's atmospheric.
...problem is, the block sucked from a power level standpoint.

Kamigawa was certainly no Mirrodin block in terms of powerlevel, and that's a good thing. However i wouldn't say it sucked. Senseis Divining top, Jitte and Pithing needle all see plenty of legacy play.

a few broken cards dont make the block power high.


This is true, but Kamigawa block has plenty of good and playable cards that are not necciserily broken:

Sakura Tribe Elder, Kodama's Reach, Meluko, Ghostly Prison, Ninja of Deep Hours, Gifts Ungiven, Cranial Extraction, Heartbeat Of Spring, Kiki-Jiki, Isamaru, Hokori, Kira the Glasspinner, Kataki, Erayo, Dosan, Eight and a half tails, Yosei, Keiga and Kokusho to name some...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 21, 2012, 01:26:42 PM
So it managed three banned cards, at least (divining top, jitte, gifts ungiven). Not in the Urza block's league, but more than some!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 21, 2012, 09:03:11 PM
Preordered my booster box of Return to Ravnica today!  Unfortunately, I have to work the day of the prerelease, so the box will have to do.  I'm gonna draft out of it with my friends, so that'll be fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 22, 2012, 01:53:12 PM
Any of you guys gonna be on today? Got most of the day to myself...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: noibn on September 22, 2012, 05:01:18 PM
Any of you guys gonna be on today? Got most of the day to myself...

Was on for an hour or so earlier today, only got one game in =/ Letting the son have the comp now, he found a free 1 day trial game he liked on steam. Might be on again in an hour or two thou.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 24, 2012, 07:19:16 PM
What is the link to this program that you are using to play each other? I can't find it in the thread. Does it work on Mac OSX?

I haven't played magic in forever
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 24, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
I have no idea what OSX is.

But the link should be on maybe page 2 or 3. Someone handy like Rufus can probably fish it out at a moments notice...

And yes you should sign up! For a free programme it is really rather nifty.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 26, 2012, 09:44:05 AM
So, gate lands...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=270961&type=card)


...are rubbish. There are currently three cards that do something with the gate subtype, and none of them are red or blue.



Oh, and:

Quote from: Karl
What is the link to this program that you are using to play each other? I can't find it in the thread. Does it work on Mac OSX?

Here it is:

http://gccg.sourceforge.net/

And it does talk about using it on Mac OSX.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 26, 2012, 10:44:23 AM
It's only the first set of the block though... Who knows what else may come...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 26, 2012, 10:49:26 AM
It still feels unfair though... you can't have good two-colour lands unless you pay a lot of money for them.

Which doesn't matter in the computer game, but sucks for actual magic.



Boooooooooo!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 26, 2012, 11:14:21 AM
Here it is:

http://gccg.sourceforge.net/

And it does talk about using it on Mac OSX.

Thanks Rufus! It says I have to build it from source code...

*gulp*  :ph34r:

I feel like I might need a PHD in Computer Science for this...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 26, 2012, 12:37:54 PM
Yes, I saw that and thought it looked scary! I don't know if there's an easier way.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 26, 2012, 02:30:30 PM
(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Hover-Barrier-Return-to-Ravnica-Spoiler.jpg)

*Does a little dance of joy*

 :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 26, 2012, 02:42:41 PM
love the art.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 26, 2012, 03:47:16 PM
I actually like that wall!


Surely this is an amazing card?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253638&type=card)

Zoom, kill all your goblin tokens! Get lost Krenko!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 26, 2012, 04:02:35 PM
great versus token decks for sure.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 26, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Yeah, human token decks are big right now, too, so he'll see some play I'm sure.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 26, 2012, 09:47:12 PM
The picture is bothering me though. Her pose looks impossible!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 27, 2012, 08:34:37 AM
She's a wizard...so it's magic...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2012, 06:06:17 PM
So I just jumped back on gccg and apparently RtR is available to update... might have to do so!

Might have the odd chance to play you guys again if you start appearing...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on October 03, 2012, 08:22:10 PM
I'm still working on my computer science degree to get the program installed on my Mac laptop...

 ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2012, 10:02:35 PM
So I just jumped back on gccg and apparently RtR is available to update...

It is indeed.

I quite want to play sealed with the new set. If only anyone was on at the right time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2012, 10:18:52 PM
Me too. I will try and jump on at the right time in the next few days. i don't really wanna do it against the regulars as they almost certainly already know everything!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2012, 10:20:58 PM
And also, they are mean! I just saw one of them telling another one his deck was bad. In a mean way.

So I'm keen to play you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 03, 2012, 11:03:04 PM
So I just jumped back on gccg and apparently RtR is available to update...

It is indeed.

I quite want to play sealed with the new set. If only anyone was on at the right time.

magic date tomorrow evening some time?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2012, 11:04:02 PM
Yes please!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 04, 2012, 03:21:49 AM
If it's raining I will try and head on too. Otherwise I will be playing football...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2012, 08:56:28 AM
It's always raining here!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 04, 2012, 09:11:07 AM
I wonder how much more tragic you can get.

Arranging to play MTG via an online programme, on a forum for warhammer, and referring to it as a date.

I haven’t been on much because I’ve been packing for the house move, and then from about 10-12 playing borderlands 2 with my brother. I’ll have to pack earlier, play bl2 from like 8-10, and then MTG from about 10.



When was rtr released, at the weekend?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2012, 09:13:41 AM
I wonder how much more tragic you can get.

Arranging to play MTG via an online programme, on a forum for warhammer, and referring to it as a date.


We could also dress up as pokemon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 04, 2012, 09:34:54 AM
I love pokemon. The new game is out on October 12th, but that’s also xcom day :(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 04, 2012, 02:19:40 PM
The only pokemon game I really liked was Pokemon Snap on the, um, N64 maybe. That was fun!

I just thought about going on gccg now and trying to update some of my 'T2' decks, but without having even looked through all the new cards yet, I think I need some sealed for sure to get a feel for what the new stuff is like. There are lots of new characters etc that I don't recognise! I did spend $150 yesterday on boosters in there to try and start on completing it. Went alright, picked up a couple of planeswalkers and lots of rare duplicates which is ok cos I can sell them back...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2012, 03:34:13 PM
OK, I've made a sealed deck to use later. I managed to make it red/blue, which I'm fairly happy about.

I'm not sure how much I like set, but at least it means mirodin is gone! Hurrah!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 04, 2012, 06:05:20 PM
I can't update, can't find  this:

..\gccg\xml\installed.xml


I tried to run update everything and it didnt work, and now I've lost mtg.bat!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 04, 2012, 08:01:35 PM
I got mtg bat back by re downloading the files and then got the update to work and so on.

But now when I go to show products, it doesnt even show m13! lame
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 04, 2012, 08:47:12 PM
Weird. I just did update everything and then did install mtg cards to be on the safe side.

I was able to trade my second garruk for a geist though which was most excellent. If I can play a few games now (hence why I was playing a regular earlier when you came in notts, he whooped me twice with some new mean cards. Well in fairness the first game I had him down to 5 life) I should be able to polish off inistrad.

I forget that those guys don't ban planeswalkers... Then I suddenly remember why I don't usually play them... might have to create a nice power deck to take them on so I can get more money like my illusion one which is now illegal in standard *sniffle*
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2012, 09:38:41 PM
Planeswalkers dominate games, which means they ruin games. I hate them! But at least the new set only has two: lame comic book hero Jace (as opposed to pokemon trainer Jace), and a random gorgon or something.

So anyway, now I'm waiting to play.


Also, none of my existing standard decks are illegal now, since I didn't use any cards from mirrodin or magic 2012!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2012, 09:52:36 PM
Hey, I think the site's gone weird. Ravnica boosters are gone from the products section, and people are saying they lost their cards. But I still have my sealed deck.

Wait, they've fixed it now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 04, 2012, 10:06:54 PM
oh right, maybe that's why then.

I deleted it completely from my computer, tryng to reinstall it now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2012, 10:16:38 PM
It sounds like you need to do more re-installing. I'll hang around in case you get it to work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 05, 2012, 12:03:40 AM
Sorry, it didn't rain. Did you guys get to play?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 05, 2012, 07:48:12 AM
No, we didn't!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 05, 2012, 12:55:29 PM
the programme completely broke for me after trying to update it.

boooo
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 05, 2012, 06:43:49 PM
No likey!

I don't really know what to suggest. This thing is quite fickle...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 05, 2012, 08:10:55 PM
It's still completely broken for me!

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Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 05, 2012, 09:46:23 PM
Oh no!

I think you should keep trying though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 05, 2012, 11:53:54 PM
error message, unable to load freesansbold.ttf



I feel like this happened to other people
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 06, 2012, 12:02:54 AM
The font thing! That happened to me.

Hmmm, what did I do about it?  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 06, 2012, 12:10:22 AM
I think you sent me the font files, which fixed the problem. Shall I email them to you?


Sent them anyway, just in case.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 07, 2012, 06:09:15 PM
I still haven't played a game with the new cards!

No one is ever on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 07, 2012, 08:25:45 PM
where do the font files go?
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Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 07, 2012, 09:14:33 PM
/graphics/fonts/free/sfd
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2012, 05:50:28 PM
I will try my best to get on at the right sort of time today. It's always a bit of a lottery but I'll see what I can do. Really want to try the new cards...
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Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
I'll be on lateish tonight. Like 11:30 UK time. EDIT, no, I'll be on earlier than that!


I accidentally went into a shop and bought some more (real) magic cards! I got unrealistically good booster contents, which unfortunately might encourage me to get more. 3 boosters, with these rare cards: chromatic lantern (amazing mana-fixing artifact), the red/black shockland (don't like the colour combination, but it's worth more than the booster cost for sure), and... Niv-Mizzet Dracogenius!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253626&type=card)

If I buy any more boosters they will inevitably have terrible cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2012, 08:07:28 PM
Haha awesome. how much is 3 boosters, Ģ7.50?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2012, 08:22:42 PM
No, they cost like Ģ3 each! Which is why I don't like them if they have some terrible rare card that is worth about 50p. I was just absurdly lucky this time.

Now that I have Niv-Mizzet I'm happy.



edit: I'm on the magic site now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2012, 09:28:45 PM
*sigh* I am not gonna make it. Is Finlay back in action now?

We need a bigger pool of us playing so we're not so dependant... Must try and force my brother to get it working again. His problem is he works too many hours...  :-P

I think next time I am able to get on I will post it up in here like you did Rufus. Will take some of the randomness out of it...
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Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2012, 09:32:11 PM
Boooo! Disappointed again!

Finlay's still broken, I think. And no one else is ever on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2012, 11:30:54 PM
The problem I have is that you guys are usually getting on in that sort of dinner/dog walking time of day which is always kinda up in the air. If you were on more kinda 6-7 English time I would be on there way more  :icon_razz:.

What has happened to Fandir and Noibn?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2012, 11:35:16 PM
But that's when I have dinner!

I think everyone else is sick of magic now.
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Post by: noibn on October 09, 2012, 07:26:42 PM
What has happened to Fandir and Noibn?

In my case... school :(

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 09, 2012, 08:38:28 PM
I just signed in, though not for long as I have football again... and my money has gone from $20 to $539!

If only real life were like this! Must have sold that ridiculous card that I put for that much as no one else had it for sale.  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 09, 2012, 08:45:20 PM
.... which has meant I can finish Innistrad which puts me up to $645! I've never been to rich!  :::cheers:::
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Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 09, 2012, 09:20:35 PM
Some dude called 'Vaskel' has been undercutting all my ravnica prices! So I had to re-undercut him. The swine!


Also, I want to play magic, damnit!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 10, 2012, 12:11:11 AM
Hehe, I haven't seen your name so someone must have undercut you before I undercut them.  :wink:

Tomorrow there is no footy so at least there is a chance I will be on. If I had a laptop I would get on way more...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2012, 09:55:10 AM
I hope you will be on. I still haven't played with the new cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2012, 10:56:34 AM
Apparently, some magic tournament players get upset if you aren't playing one of the generic 'best' decks that everyone is playing.

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?656856-MTG-FNM-did-not-go-well

This is like something from a parallel universe where everything is upside down.

Imagine if you went to a warhammer tournament, and almost everyone is playing demons or dark elves. You show up with dwarfs... and people are angry, instead of pleased that they might get to play something different for a change.

 :icon_confused:
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Post by: Finlay on October 10, 2012, 11:02:14 AM
That’s insane. Although some people hate facing friendly lists because they feel they want to face the toughest challenge all the time.

Rufus, I’m gonna try and install the programme on Ellie’s laptop.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2012, 11:11:29 AM
The thing is, the guy in the thread wasn't playing a friendly deck. It was perfectly competitive, it was just a deck he'd thought up by himself instead of copying an internet deck. These are people who actually do want everyone to be playing delver decks, or whatever, and get upset if anyone has the temerity to show some creativity. And they complain it isn't fair if someone wins with a different deck! It's impossible to understand.


I hope the program works on a different computer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 10, 2012, 11:13:22 AM
Currently I am having to fight dwarfs every week in this campaign I am in. I would welcome some dark elves  :icon_razz:

But yes, that is crazy. Then again people get upset with you on this forum if you decide to take something 'outrageous' like huntsmen or a mortar. They can't process using something suboptimal for fun...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2012, 12:10:29 PM
It's so weird to think of people taking a game that seriously.

Especially this game:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=130691&type=card)


Pink-winged donkeys are serious business!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 10, 2012, 12:31:10 PM
It's so weird to think of people taking a game that seriously.

This is rufus "delete every deck if I lose-packup my greyknights if a rhino gets killed" sparkfire talking
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2012, 12:36:53 PM
Be quiet!

 :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on October 10, 2012, 12:51:22 PM
It's so weird to think of people taking a game that seriously.

This is rufus "delete every deck if I lose-packup my greyknights if a rhino gets killed" sparkfire talking


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Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2012, 09:14:56 PM
That was mean and it made me sad.

Anyway, I am on the magic site hoping someone shows up to play me! But I bet they don't.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 10, 2012, 10:04:21 PM
I'm coming!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2012, 10:10:38 PM
Hurrah!
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Post by: Siberius on October 10, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
Good stuff there Rufus. I'm not usually a black/green fan (the planeswalker was black green too... just imagine what I spared you!  :-P) but it was working for me. Might try and build me a standard deck around it to use just for fun.

I think I got lucky with the creatures I had really. The ooze thing was very handy. Those imps gave me a horrid scare though. You can never go wrong with crocs and scorpions though. And stabbing stuff.
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Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
You certainly had some nasty creatures! But I nearly had you in that second game.

Backlash-countering cheaty demon was funny, but sadly I didn't follow it up at all!
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Post by: Siberius on October 11, 2012, 12:11:56 AM
That was certainly the perfect counter to a mean creature. I made sure you used it before I cast him in game 2!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2012, 12:15:43 AM
You disreputable sneak!

I'll get you next time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: BAWTRM on October 11, 2012, 07:38:54 AM
Next time Gadget....
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2012, 12:00:33 PM
Despite my love of red/blue, I don't think Izzet is that strong in ravnica sealed. There are a few good rare cards, but the common and uncommon ones aren't as good as those in the other guilds. Next time I do sealed I'll have to pick the best colours, not just the ones I like most!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 11, 2012, 02:00:43 PM
I wondered if that was the case. I always used to do that in drafts. I would instinctively try to draft mono white... or if green was looking tasty I might go that way too...

But I was very eh about red and blue so I avoided them a lot, unless I got an amazing rare first pick of the first pack...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2012, 02:05:27 PM
I usually pick the two best colours when I do a sealed deck, even if it means playing green/blue (which I hate, for no good reason). But I was seduced by the Izzet-ness.

It's a funny set. Lots of weak creatures, and then some absurdly overpowered ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 11, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
The thing is, the guy in the thread wasn't playing a friendly deck. It was perfectly competitive, it was just a deck he'd thought up by himself instead of copying an internet deck. These are people who actually do want everyone to be playing delver decks, or whatever, and get upset if anyone has the temerity to show some creativity. And they complain it isn't fair if someone wins with a different deck! It's impossible to understand.

This is exactly the attitude that motivates me to play tournament Magic.  I always design my own decks, and enjoy the competitive advantage that doing so gives me.  See, those tournament players in the link hated that guy because they had to face something unexpected.  They read da intarwebz all week and learn how to sideboard against and play against the "decks to beat"; when you show up with a strong deck that they've never seen before, it's difficult to play against and they often have no sideboard cards for you. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 13, 2012, 01:05:44 AM
I'm gonna start making some new T2 decks... trying to update the ones I had is possible but a right pain with M12 being gone too...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 13, 2012, 11:45:04 PM
Had an amusing game vs a random dude. He had me on 4 health with an aggro green deck and I managed to pull out the neversaydie wurm. He ended the game with 11 wurms, 6 beasts and other assorted meanies on the table but no removal so I won!

I don't think my deck is powerful enough to take on those guys though. Just random luck that I won.
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Post by: Siberius on October 31, 2012, 08:26:38 PM
Alright. i am getting on there today at 9:45 english time in the hopes one of ya can make it. I'd like to so some more rtr as it's still really new to me...

Just thought I wouls put it out there incase...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 07, 2012, 11:59:39 AM
Any chance you'll be on tonight? I think I might be.

I made a new izzet deck, which might even work this time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2012, 01:41:29 AM
It's ALIVEEEE

(translation, I got the programme to work again. But I'm now Finlay not Notts on it. and no money/cards/decks.)

Chromatic lantern = noibn's favourite card?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2012, 01:42:44 AM
Hurrah!


My favourite card is Niv-Mizzet!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2012, 01:49:27 AM
BTW, don't search for GCCG on google unless you are gay and like classic cars.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2012, 01:51:52 AM
Ha ha, I've noticed that before! It's the first hit, too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2012, 10:30:48 AM
awful cardf.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=270958&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2012, 10:45:34 AM
However, it only really stands out because of how good the rest of the cards are.

I'm almost not looking forward to playing because I bet the other guilds all have amaxing cards too!
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Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2012, 11:31:10 AM
That one is pretty bad... especially since there's a blue/white one with a slightly better ability that only costs three mana! It's 3/1 instead of 3/3, but still. Detain is a good ability, by the way! Better than scavenge or unleash.


Found it!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=265391&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2012, 01:11:18 PM
I've already found those.

Just went through spoiler and added all the ones I liked the look of.

Too many cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2012, 04:51:39 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=270792&type=card)

Well good! (I'm not using any)

Why is this only 3.7 on gatherer?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 18, 2012, 10:23:57 PM
I seem to be favouring green black so far. Glad to see you guys back. Might have to go on there again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2012, 10:51:37 PM
The trouble with green/black is that scavenge is a bit weak!


Quote
Might have to go on there again!

Yes, do that!


Quote
Why is this only 3.7 on gatherer?

Gatherer ratings are just a bunch of random people clicking on things!

Though I'm not sure how good that card actually is. I don't like that double-white cost in a two-colour deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 18, 2012, 11:14:33 PM
I don't think I use scavenge much... Controversy!

It has been a few weeks but the deck I think had a couple of scavenge but only really because they were good anyways...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2012, 11:17:41 PM
Clearly, we need to play some games to settle this!

I think red/blue is actually quite weak, but I really want it to work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 18, 2012, 11:22:11 PM
I have failed to make a good blue red deck but they have always been my two weakest colours anyway.

I think my strong colours are white and black with green in the middle somewhere.

I have had a couple of good blue or red decks but they have generally been mono like my surprisingly nifty control illusion deck.

I wish I could make a good dragon deck because dragons rock. But I can't  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2012, 11:31:28 PM
My best decks seem to be blue/white. Humans, ghosts.... well, just humans and ghosts. Or mono-white. Or mono-green!

Blue and red have the problem that burn spells and counters are both quite weak in standard.


Dragons always cost too much to make a deck based on them. You'd have to do dragons + mana elves, or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 19, 2012, 01:03:52 AM
I tried to make good dragon decks but there are practically no good dragons.

3 really good games today. I got stuck on 2 mana for ages vs rufus, but he was obviously drawing poorly too and couldnt kill me. Eventually I got 3 mana and managed to detention sphere 6 goblin tokens the turn before they were going to kill me, and then mnaged to win with 4 health left.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 19, 2012, 10:03:24 AM
My deck struggles a bit to kill people!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 19, 2012, 12:04:38 PM
I think there should be some way to mark that a card has been detained. Maybe put a counter on it? Or would that be confused with+1/+1 counters?

When using detain in actual magic I sort of half-tap the detained card. But obviously you can't do that on the computer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 19, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
a blue counter?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 19, 2012, 12:53:56 PM
Oh, can you do different counter colours? That would work then.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 19, 2012, 02:04:52 PM
yep, just easier to add the grey ones.

I really enjoyed playing again. Probably have to make a few more decks.
What are the other rtr themes?

tri colour might be easy? or maybe not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 19, 2012, 02:24:13 PM
Three-colour seems wrong in Ravnika really! The theme is two-colour guilds. But that aside it would be pretty easy to do three-colour. Lots of multilands + chromatic lantern!


The guild themes are:

Azorius - blue/white - control decks, but also fast creature decks using fliers and detain for time advantage.

Golgari - black/green - graveyardy creature decks. Slight problem there is standard has some serious anti-graveyard stuff.

Rakdos - red/black - very aggressive decks. But a lot of their creatures are quite underwhelming, and there aren't many good burn spells.

Izzet - red/blue - goblins, wizards, and overloaded spells. Flashy but not the most effective.

Selesnia - green/white - token decks, using populate to get even more tokens. I haven't played them but they seem nasty.


I'm looking forward to the black/white guild in the next expansion.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 19, 2012, 02:35:17 PM
I’ll have to check to see which other leaders and guild mages I like.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 19, 2012, 02:50:08 PM
Good plan. It's a flufftastic set, like Innistrad. You don't just want a load of random cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 19, 2012, 03:18:07 PM
red and green tramply cyclopses!

I love red/green. Just couldnt make it work.

guild leader art for the black/whites.
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m762wwFEBx1qacqzf.jpg)

look awesome!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 19, 2012, 03:27:11 PM
Ghost-tastic! Roll on next expansion!

Red/green is a classic combination.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 20, 2012, 01:51:38 AM
rufus just wooped me 5 times in a row.

one game was sort of close, although rufus always had control of the game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 20, 2012, 01:54:46 AM
Me and my cheaty decks!

I'll make a weaker one for next time... by which point you'll have made a stronger one, so I'll get hammered into the dirt.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 20, 2012, 08:35:12 AM
Green and white is pretty nasty. You have to keep taking out the creatures fast or you get overwhelmed by tokentasticness...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 20, 2012, 09:10:15 AM
That's what I was playing last night! It seemed unfair.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 20, 2012, 10:25:27 AM
It never really felt unfair rufus, compared to some other match ups!
But might be due to me not playing for ages so having high tolerance to losing
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 20, 2012, 11:05:18 AM
I suppose most of the games were close, and my deck wasn't that fast really.

Had you added more land or were you still on 20?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 20, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
The games weren’t close! The only game that was close ish was when I got you to 6 health, but you knew you were able to heal yourself with the guild leader, penis wurm and wurm token populating.
Perhaps if I had detention sphere the wurms…

Didn’t change any thing in the deck, Ellie had computer all evening.

But yeh, you weren’t killing me in 4 turns (I think with my krenko deck I’ve got some turn 4 wins)


I think your selesnya deck might struggle with flyers- just my deck is too slow to get them out.

Going to make a golgari one today I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 20, 2012, 11:28:44 AM
Weren't they? Oh. Well, if you'd had 24 land you'd have done better. Maybe some cheaper cards too - do you use these?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=265376&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=270972&type=card)

Both good to slow down agro decks.


I'm going to make an azorius deck.


Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 20, 2012, 11:56:39 AM
And I want a rat deck.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253624&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 20, 2012, 05:35:46 PM
I don’t get jarad golgari. He is boosted by creatures being in your graveyard, yet his guild mechanic exiles creatures from your graveryard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 20, 2012, 10:35:04 PM
Yes, that is a bit of a conflict of interest!

He's quite good though. I've used him playing the Izzet vs Golgari duel decks. He works well with the dredge mechanic Golgari used to have.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2012, 12:33:59 AM
I think I need to do a legacy version of the rat deck, and include the rat ninjas from kamigamiwawawawa.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2012, 12:16:19 PM
I feel worryingly inclined to buy more actual magic cards. Expensive stuff like steam vents.

I found a site that is cheaper than any others... but nothing I want is in stock. Disappointing!


Someone tell me Ģ7.40 is too much for one card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 21, 2012, 12:28:34 PM
that's too much for a card, unless you're only getting one.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
It is, isn't it.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 21, 2012, 01:02:51 PM
You may as well buy boosters I think, and then you can sell the If you’re buying 4 of a 7 quid card it’s the same as a video game, or a third of your train fare to Exeter ;)rares you don’t want to go even!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2012, 01:43:34 PM
Yes, you're right. Maybe I should save up for that train fare instead!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 21, 2012, 09:12:37 PM
I played a rat deck recently.... Argh!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 22, 2012, 11:24:12 AM
Really? What was in it other than the rats?

Mine is green/black, for rancor and abrupt decay.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 22, 2012, 01:30:15 PM
I forget. All I remember is lots of 5/5 rats and a horribly sad end  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 22, 2012, 01:41:30 PM
You can play against my rat deck if we're ever on at the same time!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 22, 2012, 04:57:13 PM
I do plan to get back on there soon. Just having issues the last week or so with my wife suddenly getting appendicitis and Black Friday and working in retail.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 22, 2012, 05:03:42 PM
Oh dear!

Best wishes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 23, 2012, 03:51:46 AM
Thanks. It was crazy. In the morning she woke up feeling kinda bad. By the evening she had been operated on. Next morning we came home. She's doing good on the whole though.  :smile2:

I want to make a centaur deck now. Should be pretty easy and not bad with the focus on them in green white and tokens.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 23, 2012, 01:10:16 PM
I'm glad she's OK!

Centaur decks should be good. Surely no match for rats though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 23, 2012, 02:16:29 PM
rufus' centaur tokens annoyed me!

rats are cool.

mtg is good.

the end.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 23, 2012, 02:45:32 PM
rufus' centaur tokens annoyed me!

Not so bad when you detention sphered them to death though. And they aren't as annoying as the penis worm tokens!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253587&type=card)

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 23, 2012, 02:59:11 PM
but I never feel like I want to "waste" a detention sphere on one measly centaur token, even if not doing it caused it to take 10 health from me.

Silver bell end wurm. Great card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 23, 2012, 03:12:50 PM
Should've had oblivion rings as well as detention spheres in your deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 23, 2012, 04:38:36 PM
It's boring to use the same cards all the time!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 23, 2012, 04:47:18 PM
True, seeing the same cards every game is what usually puts me off magic.

Hey, abrupt decay can kill a penis wurm token, since it doesn't have a casting cost.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253561&type=card)

More reasons to love abrupt decay! And give up on counterspells.


Average of Ģ6 for the actual card, by the way! Booooo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 24, 2012, 12:17:40 PM
Someone tell me Ģ7.40 is too much for one card!

I looked on the same site again today, and now it costs Ģ6.80!

Scary fluctuating prices.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 26, 2012, 11:59:23 PM
I seem to be a compulsive powergamer at magic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 27, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
what is standard at the moment?

rtr, magic 2013, and the avacyn block? magic 2012 too?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 27, 2012, 12:35:48 PM
Not 2012, that's out.

Innstrad, dark ascension, avacyn restored, magic 2013, return to ravnica.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 27, 2012, 04:16:32 PM
Losing 2012 kinda killed my one formally good standard deck. The phantom deck. I called my new potential good deck 'win' which is a bit presumptuous and arrogant but there are only so many names I can think of.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 27, 2012, 04:18:22 PM
I miss ponder from 2012. And mana leak.

I called my new potential good deck 'win' which is a bit presumptuous and arrogant but there are only so many names I can think of.

I accept your implied challenge!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 27, 2012, 04:21:25 PM
I’m planning to make three decks tonight,

Legacy birds

Standard blue/white

Standard mono green.


Did they reprint llanowar elves in m13? Or are we stuck with shitty arbor elves.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 27, 2012, 04:26:08 PM
Did they reprint llanowar elves in m13? Or are we stuck with shitty arbor elves.

Looks like llanowar elves are out, surprisingly. I hadn't noticed that.

Arbour elves aren't that bad though. They can untap ravnica dual lands (well, the forest ones anyway). Though that's no help to mono-green.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 27, 2012, 07:46:14 PM
good point, I forgot they were forests and the other land.

So it is probably good in a green/white/black deck.

I'm using it anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 27, 2012, 09:03:34 PM
good point, I forgot they were forests and the other land.

So it is probably good in a green/white/black deck.

I'm using it anyway!

Avacyn's Pilgrim is good, too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 28, 2012, 10:33:37 AM
Blue/white deck vs blue/white deck = horribly tangled chain of fiend hunter/oblivion ring/detention sphere interactions!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 19, 2012, 09:45:47 PM
So I did something interesting yesterday. One of the guys on our football team works for the local university in the Kiniesiology (or however that is spelt) department. Turns out they run tests on people playing video games or playing magic and monitor their responses and then pay them.

The wife and I signed up to do this yesterday for 3 1/2 hours. They hooked her up to a bunch of electrodes and cameras and then got us to play through a few games of magic and constantly fill in surveys. The decks seemed to be kinda started decks. We basically mingled two colours from prewrapped packets. She picked white black. Those being two of my fav colours I chose blue green.

But what is more interesting is that I believe they are also kinda doing this for the benefit of Wizards of the Coast. They use it as a chance to see how people enjoy the game. What they don't enjoy. How easy it is to learn etc. So I wonder if I have some tiny influence on how Magic will be going forward. Pretty cool eh?!

(ps. In the what could be better, I whined about overpowered undercosted mythic rares even though we didn't have any in our decks. Why waste an opportunity to try and stop them making those things! I also mentioned that a frustrating part of the game is that it is often a walkover for one person).

Hopefully they will get us in for more of these things. I can't say it's overly exciting as every 5 minutes you have to do another survey but there are way way worse ways to make a little money too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 20, 2012, 12:22:47 AM
Interesting!

When can we expect TV adverts for magic, featuring the two of you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 20, 2012, 12:54:58 AM
Hehe, I should suggest that!

For the record the blue green deck was better. Sneaky delay tactics and then stompy creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 21, 2012, 05:08:11 PM
I still don't like the way blue and green cards look together. Even if it's a good combination game-wise.


Also: I think Finlay definitely wins more often in real cards magic than in computer magic! He hammered me loads of times yesterday.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 22, 2012, 06:46:53 AM
You know I always find it weird to try and play real magic now. The computer version kinda spoils you.

Everything nicely layed out, instant shuffle etc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 22, 2012, 10:43:51 AM
Instant shuffle is the only thing I miss,the programme is a bit awkward
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 22, 2012, 01:35:21 PM
Doing things like revealing cards is hassle-tastic on the computer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 22, 2012, 08:13:46 PM
I hate tapping in real life. Lands tap that i don't want to, everything starts spinning around.

The program is awkward in places but makes up for it in others. Not least being able to use cards you otherwise never would...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 23, 2012, 01:11:11 AM
Not least being able to use cards you otherwise never would...

Yes, that's the best thing about it! My real decks aren't loaded down with awesome multi-colour lands.


Do you go on the magic program much at the moment, Siby? I'd like to play you sometime!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 23, 2012, 11:31:53 AM
I could have been but I wasn't sure if you guys were and I kinda hate to play those other weirdos  :icon_razz:.

The problem is I never really know exactly when I will be able to get on. A laptop would make things so much simpler but alas I don't have one. Maybe I can just post on here or PM you when I have the chance to get on there and if you are about you can head on. I can always mess around with deck building or whatnot for a bit. I know the sorts of times you are able to get on there so I will bear that in mind.

My useless brother needs to get in gear and get back on there too. He plays a relatively friendly game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 23, 2012, 12:00:25 PM
I haven't been on for a while for the same reason! And I probably won't be on until after Christmas.

But I definitely want to play soon.

And yes, get your brother to play too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 23, 2012, 02:47:55 PM
Ai, I will try and pick back up after christmas too.

I will work on my brother. He was having sign in issues which is a pain cos those guys who run it can be a bit non helpful sometimes...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 23, 2012, 11:01:10 PM
The program can be very temperamental! The best way to fix problems seems to be reinstalling until it somehow works again.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 01, 2013, 10:50:21 AM
Ghost council!

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=138251&stc=1&d=1357016726)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 01, 2013, 06:10:38 PM
Seems decent. Is the new set out already!?  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 01, 2013, 06:11:53 PM
No, it's just a preview. February!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 02, 2013, 12:00:47 AM
That's a relief. I haven't gotten to grips with the last one yet. Better chance of me getting on from this point on though.  :icon_surprised:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 02, 2013, 12:27:10 AM
Wow, that's really good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 02, 2013, 11:52:09 AM
Ghosts + black/white = great! I hope Orzoth or whatever the black/white guild is called has some other good cards.

Updating list of cards:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/gatecrash-spoiler.html#6691
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 04, 2013, 03:21:13 PM
I wonder if this is a realistic way to try to win the game:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/m45basnlm5_en.jpg)

Even with the heavy support you'd need (cackling counterpart, search cards) it's still going to be hard to do. I quite fancy it though, even though I normally hate blue/green!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 05, 2013, 12:00:18 AM
Worth trying on the programme anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 05, 2013, 12:04:24 AM
Definitely. I bet it never works!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 05, 2013, 01:43:41 AM
Are there other duplication cards?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 05, 2013, 01:57:15 AM
Not sure if there are in standard. There must be loads in legacy though!

But I want to try it in standard first. I suppose you can make a cackling counterpart token and then use populate to copy it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 06, 2013, 11:03:04 AM
What would be funny is a kicked rite of replication by an opponent, suddenly they win instead!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 07, 2013, 11:56:44 AM
What would be funny is a kicked rite of replication by an opponent, suddenly they win instead!

I didn't know what that was, so I looked it up:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=195630&type=card)

Crikey!

Too bad it's not in standard. 9 mana isn't out of the question in a blue/green deck.


Possible alternative in standard:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=271117&type=card)


This might be handy too:

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=138521&d=1357536098)


I'm not sure if green has any creature-tutors in standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 07, 2013, 12:09:46 PM
I'm guessing not, don't think they make many tutors anymore.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 07, 2013, 12:17:15 PM
There are a couple of green cards that let you play a bunch of stuff depending on how much mana you put in, I forget what they are called, green sun zenith perhaps?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 07, 2013, 12:21:21 PM
I found this in green/black:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253633&type=card)

Fetch two, and reanimate one somehow.


Or there's this, but it's double-black and expensive:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=278196&type=card)


We need more tutors!


Quote from: Siberius
There are a couple of green cards that let you play a bunch of stuff depending on how much mana you put in, I forget what they are called, green sun zenith perhaps?

Not in standard now though! It's a shame, because the zenith one would be handy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 07, 2013, 02:57:29 PM
I'm so behind the times!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on January 07, 2013, 03:49:23 PM
I'm so behind the times!


That's why you play Fantasy...  :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 07, 2013, 04:50:08 PM
You need to get on the programme! I’m not sure I really like rtr though. Or rather, I don’t really like any of the guilds on offer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 11, 2013, 09:38:57 AM
Innistrad was a better set really.


Fish crab?

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=138688&stc=1&d=1357880581)


Fish crab?  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 11, 2013, 10:57:57 AM
I quite fancy red/white though.

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=138698&stc=1&d=1357884481)

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=138331&stc=1&d=1357166843)

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=138686&d=1357880494)

All three of those hit planeswalkers at instant speed, by the way! Serves them right.


That last one makes it even more obvious how non-epic epic experiment is.  :icon_frown:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 11, 2013, 12:18:30 PM
Skullcrack looks like a must take in any redish deck. Cheap killiness with a huge bonus for the rest of the turn...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 11, 2013, 12:26:58 PM
Skull-crack is a good guttersnipe card. 5 damage! Nice to hit with an epic experiment too. I might use it in my Izzet deck.


How about Boros charm + Armageddon! One-sided land-sweep for 6 mana!

Admittedly that is legacy only.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 11, 2013, 01:12:37 PM
looks quite interesting.

I'll be glad when there are more guilds.

shark crab made me think of this creep motherfucker
(http://www.chumbeisland.com/fileadmin/pictures/Crabs/chumbe_coconut_crab_on_tree3.jpg)

Evolve looks a good mechanic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 11, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
That is horrible!

I saw some giant spider crabs in an aquarium once, and they were about four feet wide. I was so glad they couldn't get out of the tank!


I'm not sure about evolve. I always space out when reading how it works. Blah blah blah counters blah.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 11, 2013, 01:35:10 PM
spider crabs are the worst

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md88nmh3xl1qm8fzgo1_r2_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 11, 2013, 01:36:49 PM
I am genuinely scared of those!  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 11, 2013, 09:55:08 PM
I'm getting on now, hoping to see someone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 11, 2013, 10:36:28 PM
Made a rubbish deck, got bored, maybe more advance warning next time  :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 11, 2013, 10:39:32 PM
Wait, are you on now?

Damnit, you've gone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 11, 2013, 11:53:04 PM
No worries, I will try and make it a bit more regular and not so last second!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 11, 2013, 11:54:25 PM
You must have left just before I got on! So close!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 12, 2013, 02:38:12 AM
I knew if I stayed longer you'd not show but if I left you'd get on. Tis the way of things!

I played lots of Zelda instead so not a bad compromise.  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 15, 2013, 10:17:38 AM
The black/white keyrune doesn't turn into a ghost! I am so disappointed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 16, 2013, 09:56:59 AM
This is a bit expensive, but handy.

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=138842&stc=1&d=1358301045)


This land might be good.

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=138850&d=1358312514)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 16, 2013, 10:54:41 AM
morrslieb!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 16, 2013, 11:16:29 AM
Ha, so it is!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 16, 2013, 09:20:06 PM
Not really much better notice but i am gonna head on there now and have my fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 17, 2013, 12:30:24 AM
I like my wolf deck. It takes some serious control to stop it rampaging. But you were able to pull me back at just the right times that you needed.

I liked that most of our games were close. I don't really like my other deck much though. No theme. No real cohesion.

I think your niv deck seems dodgy until you hit 6 lands. Then it gets very tough. All the overloading and experiment become viable. I hate those snipes, argh!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2013, 09:49:40 PM
Yes, they were good games! It was nice to play at last.

I was very lucky with my Izzet deck. I got a mizzium mortars at just the right moment in one game, and then the overload bounce spell at the right moment in the other! Even the epic experiment that ruined two consecutive temporal masteries (I was gutted when I saw those!) gave me a goblin rally that I could then teleportal into a win.

Then I got the most epic epic experiment ever... four valid hits out of five cards, and two of them were searing spears. So with the guttersnipe it was an absurd amount of damage! Very lucky.

Your wolves are mean though, so it was very close!

I thought your other deck was OK, but I prefer decks with a nice theme!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 17, 2013, 11:38:57 PM
Me too. That's why my wolves are double good. Total themeness and they worl surprisingly well.

I originally thought they would likely suck but they have a nice combination of undying and unblockable.

I need to go through my other decks on there and see what are viable...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 18, 2013, 01:38:30 AM
Undying is quite hard to deal with for my Izzet deck. And there's that regenerating guy too.

I'm going to make a fish crab theme deck when gatecrash is out!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 18, 2013, 09:13:08 AM
undying is horrible to deal with!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 18, 2013, 11:30:51 AM
It certainly makes my one drop wolves really nifty.

Timberwolf is nice in theoy but I never have more than one out! Apart from the one rufus instantly burned that is!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 18, 2013, 11:40:39 AM
I couldn't let him survive to become scary!

You need exile effects to beat undying, which really only white and red have. I should put some exile-burn spells in my izzet deck, maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on January 18, 2013, 11:46:38 AM
I couldn't let him survive to become scary!

You need exile effects to beat undying, which really only white and red have. I should put some exile-burn spells in my izzet deck, maybe.

4x Pillar of Flame is auto-include these days in Standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 18, 2013, 11:54:54 AM
I forgot it existed!

But I don't follow tournament magic. It's almost as depressing as tournament warhammer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 18, 2013, 08:51:42 PM
I might try and get on in 45 minutes or so, any chance anyone else would be there?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 18, 2013, 09:35:21 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=44292&type=card)

One my favourite cards! It is great fun in a Goblin Storm deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2013, 10:44:39 AM
Full gatecrash cardlist.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/gatecrash/cig#


Some very odd card names in there.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2013, 12:34:39 PM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/h6ewtukll4_en.jpg)

is this total shite... or is it just me?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2013, 12:38:31 PM
He's a bit expensive! I don't think I'd use him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2013, 12:43:09 PM
expensive, and kills your own creatures and spells!

this is so much better!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/ytnaqsgi03_en.jpg)

new pc arriving on wed/thurs, then I can be on more again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2013, 01:49:02 PM
Now that the cards are out, gccg are normally pretty fast to make them usable, right? gruul looks fun.


this is awful
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/7yyz1uilfu_en.jpg)

and this is immense
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/5atfjinpng_en.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2013, 03:28:14 PM
I don't think the cards are released for another couple of weeks, so GCCG won't have them until then.

Crypt ghast does look quite nasty. Ten mana on turn five!

I don't know if I like 'extort' or not. Need to try it probably. Bloodrush looks good though.


new pc arriving on wed/thurs, then I can be on more again!

Hurrah! Of course, now I'm probably going to be playing on the xbox at the time I would otherwise be playing magic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 21, 2013, 04:14:27 PM
I guess the green red guy might be ok if you build a deck round him... ish.

I could see people running black decks with 4 of that demon you showed, 4 of the must tap to stop attacking one, 4 of the mana create guy and a bunch of kill spells. Seems like it would be horrific...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2013, 07:17:24 PM
Just found a six mama 4/2 with flash.

Awful!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 21, 2013, 07:45:19 PM
They always seem to overprice flash. Not that it can't be useful but you know...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2013, 08:50:06 PM
Don't forget, they deliberately make some of the cards bad! There was an article on the magic site about it.


Black/white seem to be evil debt-collectors, which I'm not sure I like as a theme. But it's one of my favourite colour combinations, and their leader is a group of ghosts. I'm conflicted!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2013, 09:49:20 PM
if you can find a deck you like I'd do it. although extort is the least interesting or good of the new mechanics, imo.

Cipher is quite interesting, but I won't use it.

I think batallion and evolve look really good. Bloodrush looks ok but a bit less interesting.
I'll probably try out Gruul, boros and simic as a result.
Boros is the one I want to try the most though.

This art is awesome.
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/gu046anask_en.jpg)

And this card looks extremely powerful to me.
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/0xfkhp15jr_en.jpg)
three good "Battallion powers", and a 1/1 haste for 1red/1
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on January 21, 2013, 10:03:44 PM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/h6ewtukll4_en.jpg)

is this total shite... or is it just me?

He's probably going to be the new general of my G/R EDH deck.  He's big, has 7 power (a big deal when 21 general damage kills your opponent), and has a solid ability.  Drawing up to three is awesome enough as it is; the fact that you can then immidiately "throw" the drawn cards is just gravy.  His mana cost is steep, too steep for constructed, I imagine...but just fine for EDH.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2013, 12:23:51 PM
The card gallery keeps crashing firefox!

Boros looks really good. As in 'aggro you to death in about four turns' good. That goblin guy is mean, and there's those 3/2 soldiers that cost 2, boros charm, skull crack... nasty. Maybe use gather the townsfolk/kenko's command to get more creatures so the battalion triggers.


There's a black/blue counterspell for three mana which only has a single blue in the casting cost. Which I found surprising, since it's a hard counter with a bonus effect (milling). It's common too! I thought counterspells were dead and buried.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2013, 12:38:19 PM
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/gatecrash-spoiler.html

no pictures, and not arranged via guild. But somewhat easier to look at.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2013, 12:45:42 PM
Yes, that's easier. I managed to get the card gallery to load at about 1am last night, but it doesn't want to in the daytime.

I'm a bit disappointed that there are still very few cards that make use of the 'gate' subtype. Are they saving them for the next set, or just not bothering to do any more? I want an artifact that searches the deck for them (Traveler's amulet style) or something. As it is, gates are just lame versions of the shocklands.


Oh, and these:

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139011&stc=1&d=1358748958)

are good.



And this!

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139036&d=1358779663)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2013, 12:54:39 PM
yeh I already noticed both of them! Cheap plus good abilities.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2013, 01:20:16 PM
This is a bit too expensive, but would be funny.

I sentence your fish crab to... one thousand lashes!

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139014&stc=1&d=1358749139)


It's not as good as stab wound.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2013, 08:56:47 PM
Stab would rules.

Any chance of you going on today? I could get on if so...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 24, 2013, 05:29:08 PM
Surely this is a good card!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366273&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 24, 2013, 05:36:27 PM
amazing value for 4 mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 24, 2013, 09:16:50 PM
Finlay, are you fin? If so... I see you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 24, 2013, 10:18:00 PM
yes I am. sorry, I left it on while I was shopping, making, then eating dinner.


man, my pregnant poorly wife is so lazy.
 :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 24, 2013, 11:08:39 PM
I figured you'd say hello if you were there, no worries.

I think my token deck might be reasonable with a few tweaks. Are the centaurs really protected from black?

Rufus that deck is fast! Nice way to use champ of lambholt.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 24, 2013, 11:34:19 PM
Are the centaurs really protected from black?

No! Old tokens I think. Wrong text.


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Rufus that deck is fast! Nice way to use champ of lambholt.

Bit of a mean deck really. Your vampires were nasty though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 24, 2013, 11:44:28 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojtek_(soldier_bear)

= wojek halberdiers
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 24, 2013, 11:50:50 PM
Ha! Cool.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2013, 08:43:16 AM
The problem with themed decks is that while mostly they are severely lacking in some areas, some of them are just amazing.

Vampires, humans, zombies in the latest standard all are pretty nasty without any help. You almost have to go out of your way to make them bad! Which I actually did with my latest zombie deck, hehe.

That vamp deck took 5 minutes to put together though and it rocks pretty good. When you take out all your desecration demons because there are better choices for your black deck, you know it must be pretty nifty!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 25, 2013, 10:32:38 AM
I think I have a vampire deck that is pretty much the same as yours!

Desecration demon isn't that good. Finlay had three out at once and I still won. Teleportalling goblin tokens!


I didn't like that guy mocking my use of electrickery.  :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2013, 11:14:53 AM
I tried to tell him!

You have to be pretty bored to go watch a fake game of magic and then give unsolicited advice on decks we just told him qre basically for fun! And then he seemed to get insulted when you said you didn't care! Hehe.

I feel like d demon is good... Maybe we're just playing it in the wrong kind of deck. If you had that -1-1 to all opponent creatures that would clear a lot of the stuff an opponent would sac I guess...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 25, 2013, 11:26:14 AM
electrickery is good. 2 mana to kill all 1/1 tokens! And you won using it to trigger 2 guttersnipes.
I still think that demon is good, it’s just not so good versus token decks, and you happened to get all your token generating cards. Also, teleport is really good. Cheap as chips finisher.

d-demon plus this.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=265388&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 25, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
I think electrickery is a perfectly good card! But it's obviously not on the approved list of good cards, according to that guy. It was rude of him to interrupt just to tell me my card choices were bad anyway!

Hmmm, if you use savage surge to untap the demon, can I tap it again by sacrificing another goblin? Maybe not.

OK, maybe I'll make a deck with the demon in and see if it works for me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2013, 07:50:03 PM
You guys going on tonight at all?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 25, 2013, 10:10:49 PM
I'm on now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 26, 2013, 05:43:10 PM
This seems useful to me. Blue mana fixer!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366315&type=card)


Also, cypher may be a good ability but there aren't many worthwhile cards that have it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 26, 2013, 07:01:13 PM
realmwright looks good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 26, 2013, 10:53:22 PM
Good news everyone!

Got my brother to reinstall the program and he says he is going to build decks. Dunno what his new name is but I will dirext him here to say hello and whatnot.  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 27, 2013, 11:12:54 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 27, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
I think they have gatecrash on GCCG now.

In fact definitely. Just installed it. New decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 27, 2013, 11:19:30 PM
cool! It isn't out for a while, is it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 10:10:51 AM
Another week or so in real life, I think.

I made rubbish decks for three of the guilds. Maybe we can play tonight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 28, 2013, 10:57:49 AM
What time? I'm off work I'll, been sick all last night. I don't want to be up late!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 11:35:10 AM
Oh no! Sorry you're ill.

Could have a game at lunchtime maybe then! 12ish?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 28, 2013, 11:37:58 AM
Is it just me or do boros have loads of amazing creatures?

I'll go and make a deck now. If I feel too Ill, I'll pm you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 11:43:23 AM
Yes, they do. I made a Boros deck last night, but I did it pretty fast so it might not have all the best stuff. Also did Orzhov and Simic. The other two look a bit boring.

OK, good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 28, 2013, 11:48:45 AM
Yes, they do. I made a Boros deck last night, but I did it pretty fast so it might not have all the best stuff. Also did Orzhov and Simic. The other two look a bit boring.

OK, good!
what do i need to do to update?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 11:52:47 AM
Run the 'update everything' batch file in your GCCG folder. Exit the program first though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 28, 2013, 11:55:27 AM
it says there was nothing to update, and the cards arent there.

This is what happened when the programme broke!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 11:57:08 AM
But it worked for me!

Are you sure you ran the right file? And that the program wasn't running when you tried to update?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 28, 2013, 12:07:00 PM
I hadn't edited the initial xml file- maybe you did this for a previous update?

It seems to be downloading stuff now
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 12:09:42 PM
I don't remember editing anything, but I suppose I might have done.

Hope it works!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 12:27:15 PM
Ha ha... frontline medic, one thousand lashes. Second frontline medic, another one thousand lashes!

Extort is good if you have enough mana.


I can't believe I put swamps in my simic deck instead of forests. Careless!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 28, 2013, 04:49:23 PM
I'll try and get on later rufus if you're around!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 28, 2013, 05:15:56 PM
O really like gatecrash. Interesting guilds!

Simic looks interesting, I like the mix of high power low toughness, and low toughness Hugh power to trigger evolve.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 28, 2013, 05:51:50 PM
So I am missing gideon, aurelia's fury, soul ransom right now.

I have multiples of pretty much everything else so I am up for swappsies!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 28, 2013, 06:59:52 PM
Can you multi extort? If so, very nice.

I have a boros-ish deck I just made that I am pretty happy with.

These guilds are much more the colour combos I am comfortable with.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 08:49:03 PM
Can you multi extort? If so, very nice.

Depends what you mean. Each permanent with extort triggers once each time you cast a spell. But you can't activate an extort more than once per spell.

So, you have two creatures with extort, and cast a spell. You can pay 1 for each to extort twice. But you can't pay 2 for each and try to extort four times.


Boros looks the most powerful so far. Very easy to build and play!

I'm not sure about Simic. Evolve is odd. It might require more creature diversity than people normally go for.


Ha, drawing conclusions based on two games!



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So I am missing gideon, aurelia's fury, soul ransom right now.

I have multiples of pretty much everything else so I am up for swappsies!

I'm missing most of the mythics! I don't think I have anything good to swap.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 09:48:39 PM
I'm on now in case anyone wants to play magic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2013, 11:21:22 PM
Boros is best!

Simic = not worth the effort of working out which order to play the cards in.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 28, 2013, 11:26:44 PM
I am gonna try black white. I think it has potential...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2013, 10:11:04 AM
Black white is awesome. I just need to use some better cards in my deck!

Note to self: lingering souls. Oblivion ring! Blood artist. The extort guy that doubles your black mana production.


I might try again with simic. If only for the sake of fish crab.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2013, 10:23:27 AM
Don't read about magic on the internet!

All the decks are the same. It's as if there are only about twenty different cards you're allowed to choose from.

Delver, thragatusk, restoration angel, snapcaster mage, geist of st traft....


Depressing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2013, 12:06:36 PM
You could probably make an insane u/b/w orzhov + spirit +st traft geist deck.
Speaking of using the same cards all the time, I find it very hard not to put 4 o-rings in any deck with white. My Boros deck could definitely use it.

Reading about magic is even worse than reading about warhammer I think. I think gatecrash is definitely stronger than RTR. Although not sure if you think rtr is better, or were just saying that’s what the internet thinks.

I’m going to make a dimir deck for tonight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2013, 12:20:12 PM
Hmmm, ultimate ghosts. I like it!

Oblivion ring is a basic utility card, so using it in any white deck is fine. Like searing spear in red, or rancor in green. It's using all the same creatures every time that gets dull!

The internet was definitely saying RTR is a stronger set than gatecrash. In terms of powergaming. I don't know if that's actually true or not.


Dimir! They seem rubbish... are you going for a mill deck? I hate being milled. It's annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2013, 12:43:02 PM
I just read a thread, and it’s basically saying that RTR had more cards which would be used in standard than gatecrash does. But we have been playing it more or less exclusively as only the guilds themselves. So perhaps RTR is better to use mixed in with other cards, but the guilds in gatecrash win “guild fights”

Or perhaps I’m totally wrong.

Or perhaps because I didn’t use the two internet strongest rtr guilds- selesnya and golgari


I was thinking of adding searing spear to the gruul deck and making it aggro burn, like my goblins were. So sad they aren’t standard anymore.

I’m not going to do milling I don’t think… Havent looked at the cards properly. Cipher looks interesting and theoretically powerful, but I think they made the spells cost too much.


Dimir got totally screwed. Cipher is way too expensive, and they have shite creatures.
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/yuaehtzaoy_en.jpg)
shite!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/k9uaahs7dv_en.jpg) too expensive!

a flying 4/4 that is just as likely to hurt you as the opponent. What's the point?
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/cfjgv67awc_en.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2013, 03:06:22 PM
Yes, I have looked at dimir! Not good at all.

This one is OK:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366445&type=card)

Put on an invisible stalker (hexproof unblockable) maybe. But why not use a nice enchantment or equipment instead? They are cheaper and better!

One advantage with cipher is that it 'casts' the spell every time, so it interacts with guttersnipe (or gelectrode, kiln fiend or whatever). Still not that good though.


The dimir charm is lame. The keyrune is quite good (unblockable). The guildmage has an easy win combo with heavy milling.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366328&type=card)

[the orhzov guildmage has an instant win combo with 'exquisite blood' from Innistrad, by the way]


So maybe you do have to go for milling in a pure dimir deck. Not very reliable though!



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So perhaps RTR is better to use mixed in with other cards, but the guilds in gatecrash win “guild fights”

I don't know, I'd say the best guilds from both sets are pretty even. Selesnia is brutal. Azorius control is meant to be good too.



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I was thinking of adding searing spear to the gruul deck and making it aggro burn, like my goblins were. So sad they aren’t standard anymore.

Yes, good plan. Add rancor too! There is no green creature deck that cannot be made better by adding rancor.

Surely goblins are still viable, by the way? kreko is still there, and RTR and gatecrash both added new goblins. What did you lose?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2013, 03:53:23 PM
True, I think you can make a good dimir mill deck, but I don’t like mill. I have got unblockable creatures from other blocks in the dimir one I made though, including him.

You can apparently make a turn one legacy win deck with this (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366271&type=card). Have a deck with 0 land, able to generate 4 mana on turn one. 3 of these (http://magiccards.info/scans/en/fut/54.jpg) into (http://magiccards.info/scans/en/pd3/23.jpg) to get (http://magiccards.info/scans/en/avr/1.jpg) which recalls this (http://magiccards.info/scans/en/isd/61.jpg) plus a draw mechanism. Would have been funny to use once!

What’s the instant win with the orzhov mage? I don’t see it?

You’re right, I think I undervalue RtR just because I never used Selesnya, and Azorius wasn’t birdy enough for me. I just prefer the colours and feel of the GTC guilds.
I do like gruul. I see the mechanic as the opposite of counterspells, where you know when playing a counter deck that you will be countered if they have mana up- with gruul, you HAVE to block everything in case they get mega buffed.

When m12 left standard, I lost goblin chieftain and goblin grenade and arsonist. Chieftain was as key as krenko, because then the tokens were 2/2 and hasted! Goblin grenade was my favourite though.
The boros goblin certainly makes goblin tokens a lot better.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2013, 04:53:36 PM
Ha, that's a pretty complicated combination! I'm sure there are easier ways to win in legacy. Maybe you should make that deck!


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What’s the instant win with the orzhov mage? I don’t see it?

Activate the second ability:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366371&type=card)

when you have this in play:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240134&type=card)

Now gain some life. This causes a loop which kills your opponent! Actually, all opponents in a multi-player game!



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When m12 left standard, I lost goblin chieftain and goblin grenade and arsonist. Chieftain was as key as krenko, because then the tokens were 2/2 and hasted! Goblin grenade was my favourite though.
The boros goblin certainly makes goblin tokens a lot better.

Goblin arsonist is still in standard (it's in magic 2013). Shame about the grenade (well, not really since it's stupidly good!). But there's guttersnipe.

Or add blue and have electromancer and teleportal!

There's a lot of anti-token stuff now though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2013, 07:19:17 PM
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&color=|[R]&format=[%22Standard%22]&subtype=|[%22Goblin%22]

why isn't this showing the legion loyalist!

I made lots of new decks. Hope people are on tonight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 29, 2013, 07:40:41 PM
I may well be in but no guarantees today!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2013, 10:44:49 PM
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?25386-The-Rogue-Hermit

and i used this deck
My current list:
4 Chrome Mox
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual

4 Summoner's Pact
1 Wild Cantor
1 Angel of Glory's Rise
1 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
1 Laboratory Maniac
4 Narcomoeba
1 Bridge From Below
1 Dread Return
4 Cabal Therapy

4 Undercity Informer
3 Balustrade Spy
4 Living Wish
3 Infernal Tutor

// Sideboard
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Swamp
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Balustrade Spy
1 Wild Cantor
1 Ingot Chewer
1 Wispmare
4 Nature's Claim
3 Goblin Charbelcher

but It confuses me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2013, 10:57:06 PM
I only recognize about a third of those cards. I need to look them up to understand!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2013, 12:19:06 AM
well, I only won 1 game tonight. but it was AWESOME.

simic charm on a biomancer to bring in a 2/2 guildmage with 5 counters.
next turn drawing a bioshift, moving the 5 counters onto the biomancer, any creatures now cast came on with 7 counters!

I ended the game with a 8/9 cloudfin raptor, a 5/6 cloudfin raprot, an 8/10 crocanura, a 4/9 elusive krasis and the 7/9 biomancer.

I should probably never play simic again, that will never happen again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2013, 12:32:12 AM
Too many counters! Overwhelming.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2013, 08:41:20 AM
This is where it's nice playing online. All kept neat and on what card it needs to be.

I always find counters a bit messy in real life.

I need to tighten up my boros deck. It is good until my opponent out creatures me. But being a non burn non token deck it doesn't have much answer to that... if we sideboarded I would serioisly have 4 electricy in there for such occasions.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2013, 11:01:34 AM
Just maindeck electrickery! It's worth it!

Anyway, your Boros deck is good.



I'm going to make that weird combo deck and see if I can work out how to play it.


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I ended the game with a 8/9 cloudfin raptor, a 5/6 cloudfin raprot, an 8/10 crocanura, a 4/9 elusive krasis and the 7/9 biomancer.

Imagine if I'd had that card that returns all attacking creatures to your hand though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2013, 11:23:34 AM
Problem with maindecking it is it would be less than useless vs that deck finlay just took.

You know for all our griping about various things being too weak or strong, really we don't play the game properly. In theory we should be sideboarding to adjust for deck weaknesses. For example human decks are crazy mean but you could sideboard a bunch of cheap specific human kill spells or whatnot to even up game 2 and 3. Which may well be what people do. I don't really know.

But it does seem like more often than not one of our decks will have something that the other deck just cannot deal with. plus it probably makes a lot of cards that are really situational possibilities to see some usage...

Imagine running say a red deck and sideboarding that old artifact that gives you +1 life every time a red spell is cast. If your opponent has any red you could put it in and be making life gains all over the place.

Bad example but you know what I mean... (Oh better example is that knight who has protection vs black)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2013, 11:37:02 AM
The problem with that is that we play vs a limited pool of people, with not that big a range of decks, so it could become like warhammer where you are tailoring your list purely to beat the opposition.

Sideboard would help me because I almost never take artefact or enchantment removal, and it does screw me some games.

Electrickery would be fine vs the simic deck. Kills cloudfin raptor, experiment one, and the flying krasis. Just need to do it before they evolve.

I think we need to make sure we make new decks quite often, and also play sealed.

I’m really enjoying gatecrash though. The only game I didn’t enjoy last night was where I got landscrewed with Simic. Even my shitty dimir deck had quite close games…
Boros is amazing! “competitive” players hate battalion, apparently.


Returning attacking creatures to hand wouldn’t have been too bad, provided I hadn’t attacked with the biomancer. Would have been cheap to bring them back, still mega buffed, next turn.

I hope you can figure it out rufus. The spells requiring you to have nothing in hand are confusing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2013, 12:00:17 PM
You know for all our griping about various things being too weak or strong, really we don't play the game properly. In theory we should be sideboarding to adjust for deck weaknesses.

But that's just a rule for tournaments. It's not part of normal magic.

I don't think it really helps either. You can't prepare for every threat, so you end up worrying about 'the metagame' and all that rubbish. Plus sideboarding takes ages (I have played against people on GCCG who do it. So tedious!).

You can't expect all your cards to be useful against every deck. Even if you have a sideboard.



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Sideboard would help me because I almost never take artefact or enchantment removal, and it does screw me some games.

This is why god created Oblivion Ring!



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Boros is amazing! “competitive” players hate battalion, apparently.

They are wrong! Still, remember they are only using about twenty different cards (snapcaster, restoration angel, all that) and won't consider anything else. There seem to be a few people in competitive magic who actually design decks, and then loads of bandwagon-jumpers.


I need to make a biovisionary deck. I think the hardest part might be making sure I can find a biovisionary in the deck so I can start copying it. Lack of good tutor effects in standard!



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I hope you can figure it out rufus. The spells requiring you to have nothing in hand are confusing.

Ha, they certainly are. I'm still not sure how to use lion's eye diamond. :icon_confused: I guess, cast 'infernal tutor,' respond by activating the diamond (discarding your hand). Then when the tutor resolves you have no cards in hand, and can use it in 'helbent' mode (which makes it exactly like demonic tutor, which is banned). Then cast the thing you tutored for with the diamond's mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2013, 04:07:34 PM
OK, I've made the combo deck! Ready to try later.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2013, 04:23:12 PM
I’ve had games where its been “If I don’t draw an o-ring now, I am dead” though!

Are you on tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2013, 04:34:59 PM
Didn't know sideboards weren't official. But you have to admit they have the potential to smoove things out. Take my useless wurm deck for example. I don't have much flyer defence but I could sideboard in 4 fly killers if need be which would make game 2 more of a match. Rather than having to give up like we usually do.

I'll admit it is a bit of a pain to set up though.

And it would be nice not to have to stick 4 o rings and 4 pacifisms in every white deck I play. Talking of using the same few cards in every deck...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2013, 04:56:32 PM
Didn't know sideboards weren't official. But you have to admit they have the potential to smoove things out. Take my useless wurm deck for example. I don't have much flyer defence but I could sideboard in 4 fly killers if need be which would make game 2 more of a match. Rather than having to give up like we usually do.

But at the same time, I could be sideboarding in anti-worm stuff! So would it really help?


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And it would be nice not to have to stick 4 o rings and 4 pacifisms in every white deck I play. Talking of using the same few cards in every deck...

When would oblivion ring not be useful? Almost never!



Quote from: Finlay
Are you on tonight?

I should be on tonight, yes.

I've made a biovisionary deck! It won't work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2013, 05:03:47 PM
Oblivion ring is indeed always useful. That's the problem. You get kinda bored with it. Perhaps if you had something sideboarded you could leave it out in favour of something else, knowing you were covered (cheap arty or enchant removers for example). It kinda bugs me sometimes to be trying to theme my deck a certain way only to have to put in 4 of something because it is a cover-all card.

I like the idea of an anti wurm card though that only kills wurms, hehe.

And whilst I see your point on that, the fact is by game 2 your decks would both be better suited to each other. I have had people sideboard against me having won their first game on draft nights because for instance they have a card with mointainwalk or something.

Maybe it is indeed too much hassle, but think how useful it could have been facing noibn's arti a go go decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2013, 05:19:54 PM
I'm sure I can be pressured into using sideboards! If you really want to.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2013, 05:57:17 PM
I'm not even sure if I want to!  :-P

Just sorta floating it out there really. Wondering if it would have any impact. Whether it is worth the hassle etc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2013, 10:04:18 PM
That was the landest game ever. Land land land.


Biovisionary deck = total disaster.  :icon_sad:



And now I have no land at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2013, 11:57:35 PM
Finlay, just as some guy appears to watch our game:

"I hate people watching, I wish we could make it private."

The guy:

"I'll leave then."

Haha!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2013, 12:00:16 AM
I said it after the other guy watrching us left, but didnt realise a new one had joined, so it looked like i was being actively rude to him which I wasn't.

3 rubbish games tonight! rufus battered me twice, then I battered him once.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2013, 12:03:17 AM
Bad night for magic!

Grumpy unsporting rufus.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2013, 12:09:32 AM
Rufus deserved a little luck. My boris deck killed his all land ( :-P)deck and then my defender deck went nutso, first milling him to death by accident and then doing what it is meant to and pulling out stupid creatures like 'never die wurm' and 'everyone is invincible' angel.

Rufus you seemed so depressed that I never told you in the end but in my hand I still had 'islandwalk mayhem' kraken guy and 'detention all round' sphinx. And I could have played them the next two turns. Crazy!

I'd like to try that deck against some othet stuff and see if it really does rock or whether I have just had favourable matchups so far.

Also I need to build more decks with the new cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2013, 12:33:58 AM
is that a defender deck with the guy who gives you extra mana for each defender?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2013, 09:27:37 AM
Yup, pretty much a standard version of my old overgrown battlements/wall of reverence deck. Rufus said you had a very similar deck while we were playing.

I should probably see if there is anything in the new sets to improve  but to be honest it works pretty nice as is!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2013, 09:49:56 AM
Siby's blue/green wall deck is better than yours, Finlay! Ha ha.  :icon_razz:

My biovisionary deck probably wouldn't have worked even if it hadn't just given me land and nothing else. Trying to get four of those into play is a lot harder than trying to win normally.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2013, 12:08:51 PM
Siby's blue/green wall deck is better than yours, Finlay! Ha ha.  :icon_razz:


I was just going to say that- I could never get mine to work! Either not enough walls, so not enough mana to bring in the fattys, or when I had the mana base I didn’t draw any finishers.

Can you post your decklist siby?

Biovisonary wont work. The cloning cards are expensive, so when you have enough mana for them the other person will be smashing your face in. That’s not to mention actually getting the first into play, and not removaled, o-ringed, pitfight or whatever.
Worth a try for a laugh though
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2013, 12:15:44 PM
I will indeed when I get infront of my PC.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2013, 12:34:52 PM
Mind you, Siby's deck was playing against an opponent who did literally nothing, so maybe it's not actually that good!  :icon_razz:

Well, once against orzhov with no mana, then against simic being really slow (as usual).


Biovisonary wont work. The cloning cards are expensive, so when you have enough mana for them the other person will be smashing your face in. That’s not to mention actually getting the first into play, and not removaled, o-ringed, pitfight or whatever.
Worth a try for a laugh though

It wasn't a laugh though. It was depressing. I didn't even see a biovisionary in two games!

I bet I can make it work in legacy though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2013, 12:39:44 PM
sideboard a biovisionary


use this
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=34405&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2013, 12:44:31 PM
Exactly. And worldly tutor, and stuff like that. Easy!

Or buried alive/intuition/whatever them into the graveyard from the deck and reanimate them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2013, 01:39:06 PM
I don't know if my deck is that great either but wall style decks are how I have had most success since I have been playing. I do miss Wall of Reverence for the huge life gaining abilities, but the new deck has some good alternatives too.

4 Axebane Guardian (essential!)
2 Gatecreeper Vine (mana fixer and defender, nice)
2 Grave Bramble (not great but 3/4 so can hurt)
2 Tree of Redemption (amazing staller)
2 Doorkeeper (defender and bonus potential mill win condition)
3 Fog Bank (Invincible!)
1 Hover Barrier (Not sure why...)
3 Ludevic's Test Subject (defender with bonus transform potential)

2 Essence Scatter
2 Negate
3 Syncopate (all to try and stop horrible kill everything or whatnot spells)

1 Naturalize (why not?)

1 Primal Surge (If you get this off, potential most of your deck going down!)

1 Avacyn
1 Worldspine Wurm
1 Soul of the Harvest
1 Moldgraf Monstrosity
1 Elderscale Wurm
1 Gisela
1 Archon of Triumvirate
1 Stormtide Leviathon (All for game ending horror + various bonuses)

10 Forests
10 Islands
1 Plains
3 Hinterland Harbours



So as you can see, typically for me, it's not very focused in the sense that I should probably go with multiple stormtide leviathons incase my axebanes get killed and I can't even cast the white ones. Plus why have hover barrier when I could have another fog bank? Who knows... I just like a touch of randomness.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2013, 01:46:23 PM
Just looking at the new sets. Giant Adephage looks like he would like this deck... Skargg Goliath is pretty amazing too... 9/9 trample for 8?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2013, 01:53:23 PM
fog bank is easier to kill with spells than hover barier.


this was mine.
http://www.mtgdeckbuilder.net/Decks/ViewDeck/366898

no control magic, and less mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2013, 05:41:47 PM
Yours is probably way more sensible than mine. I can't help but want to put in all sort of crazy creatures in there!

Just made a new deck. It is black/blue.... dimir?

Totally not going with the intended theme as far as I can tell but I did take one cipher spell which actually seems alright. Most of them are really expensive, but I can see this one working ok.

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTaqh5W236mno6W3kjvOTfX7ibUsKPCRorNo8NWmi5egIVwuXtT)

For 2 mana I reckon it could come in handy. There is a fair chance my deck will get run over, but if it doesn't, it's trouble.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2013, 05:59:15 PM
Yes, that's the only cipher spell I think is good!

I hope it's not a mill deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2013, 06:29:03 PM
Nah, I know you don't like milling and I feel bad for milling you with walls yesterday, though it was pretty amazing that I could mill for about 14 a turn without casting any spells by the end.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2013, 07:55:09 PM
(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/gtc/120.jpg)

biomancer!
gyre sage!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 01, 2013, 12:16:09 AM
Sorry about that last game. It all got so confusing.

I always like the idea of lots of creatures but then when it happens I get lost!

Think I need a couple more unblockables in there though. I have 10 in the deck but they refused to come out bar that one time! I would have liked all those items on my key rogue!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 01, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
its the perfect counter to my simic deck without removal.

normally though... cipher just sucks ass.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 01, 2013, 12:51:03 AM
Looks like I'm not allowed to play my Orzhov deck anymore!  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 01, 2013, 12:54:15 AM
no! just both of us need to use other decks sometime.

I don't mind losing, it's more knowing exactly how the game will unfold which is the most depressing.

I feel like I know what will happen in simic vs orzhov- a slow game where I get ground to death.
Like certain decks vs krenko, you know what would happen- krenko'd to death quickly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 01, 2013, 01:00:02 AM
I'll make some new decks. Orzhov is fun for me but I can see why you wouldn't enjoy it! So just like Krenko really.

I want to make the Orzhov deck for real, but it looks like the Ghost Council will be way too expensive to buy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 01, 2013, 01:18:09 AM
Krenko got un fun for me because every game with them was the same.

I shoiuldnt keep slamming my simic deck into orzhov though. And also need to tighten up my deck.

If the rest of the deck isn't too expensive, getting one expensive card isn't bad. Maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 01, 2013, 01:28:26 AM
Simic vs simic is kind of fun though.


But I mean expensive as in like 15 quid! I can't possibly pay that for one card.  Still, the price will drop if people don't use it much. I'll have to hope it doesn't stay at Geist of St Traft prices!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 01, 2013, 10:20:16 AM
That ghost council is a nightmare... No removal in my turn so I have to rely on instant power...

Course my new red deck would probably not have as much in the way of issues with it but being immune to oring, pacifism etc is very tasty, especially with the life swap every turn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 03, 2013, 09:42:26 PM
I did something crazy...

Artifact deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 04, 2013, 03:03:27 PM
That does sound crazy! I want to play against it!


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253560&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247425&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 04, 2013, 06:22:24 PM
If you maindeck those cards it would be amusing. I guess under the current t2 those are generally pretty badly useless!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 04, 2013, 06:39:44 PM
I'm struggling to think of enough good artifacts to make a deck out of!

I'll be interested to see how you've done it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 04, 2013, 09:43:37 PM
That is the issue. I don't think the deck is gonna be all that great. It might do allright but it is a bit slow. If I can get into the game though it could be tricksy. I fully expect token decks to overrun it though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 04, 2013, 09:56:13 PM
I may be on soon by the by, if anyone is around.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2013, 12:22:12 AM
The artifact deck wasn't too bad! You did a good job with a poor set of cards to choose from!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 05, 2013, 04:03:45 AM
I've refined it slightly. Chucked out a few total rubbish ones and included a couple of kill spells. Think it might run marginally smoother now.

Also made an out and out curse deck which could be fun if and when it works.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2013, 10:16:34 AM
Curse deck! Where's my witchbane orb!

I need to make some new decks. I was considering some sort of blue/white/black justice theme. Detain and extort!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2013, 11:02:06 AM
Gatecrash event decks (more expensive preconstructed decks with better cards in them):

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1161


The Simic one is lame, themewise (no evolve, few simic cards), but the Boros one is good.

No Orzhov though. Boooo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2013, 12:36:44 PM
gruul ragebeast in a simic deck?

DO NOT WANT.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2013, 12:41:24 PM
It almost looks like they were ashamed of Simic. It's more like generic green aggro with some blue window dressing. And then random red stuff!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
It's like they are admitting evolve sucks ass.

Is the Boros one worth buying I wonder? I still want the simic precon one
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 05, 2013, 12:55:48 PM
Evolve was pretty nifty when rufus pulled out 3 of those birds in 2 turns! But I have to agree that it's not really scared me any other time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2013, 01:03:04 PM
Quote from: Siberius
Evolve was pretty nifty when rufus pulled out 3 of those birds in 2 turns!

Plus slime dude and fish crab. I was ready to attack with all of them, double evolved, when you rage-quit!

Well, not really. Your computer crashed off the site. But still, the evolving thing went well!

It's just a bit too inconsistent to appeal to competitive types.



The Boros one is worth buying. Event decks normal cost about 20 quid, but the individual cards would cost quite a bit more. It's got a tappy land (expensive!), champion of the parish, thalia, spark trooper.... right, that's more than 20 quid already. Lots of good uncommons too like o-ring and boros charm.

The 'Simic' event deck has Thragtusk, which is currently at Ghost Council prices by itself! Expect that to drop when this comes out though.


Firestorm Cards has the intro decks at 9 quid (plus delivery).

http://www.firestormcards.co.uk/Bulk_and_Sealed-Gatecrash_Simic_Synthesis__Green_Blue_-P9421.aspx

You could buy it, plus individual cards to make it better (commons are 9p normally). Biomancer and Prime Speaker are expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 05, 2013, 01:23:13 PM
Hehe, I should have rage quit, I was doing useless!

I forgot the loadgame feature, I should have let you finish me off.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2013, 01:24:49 PM
I was going to suggest loading the game, but you seemed to want to change deck anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2013, 01:59:56 PM
I think I've got a couple of good "evolve chains off"
Maybe both against rufus.

I wouldn't need to buy all the really expensive cards for offline play, as our decks are not super competitive. Although I'll try and refine my simic deck with removal/counter stuff before I buy it.

Wayland has the intro decks for Ģ10.15 with free shipping. I cant check how much firestorm shipping is.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240022&type=card)
Looks like a better version of the blue 5/5 I hate which is to trigger evolve. Would cards have ss when they return to the battlefield? I'm also thinking about those rings which add counters.


shocklands are Ģ11! mentality.
shit! Master biomancers are Ģ7.90.
I'm not buying them.
I'd be gutted if I got a mythic, and it was Giant Adephage. Ģ2.30.

the boros deck is just human tribal with burn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2013, 02:38:15 PM
Quote
Wayland has the intro decks for Ģ10.15 with free shipping. I cant check how much firestorm shipping is.

That's probably a bit cheaper. Depends if you want to get any individual cards at the same time or not.


Quote
Looks like a better version of the blue 5/5 I hate which is to trigger evolve. Would cards have ss when they return to the battlefield? I'm also thinking about those rings which add counters.

They would have summoning sickness if you did it on your turn. The rule is you have to have controlled something since before your untap step for it not to have summoning sickness. Flicker something on the opponent's turn and it won't have ss by yours. You can also use that ability to dodge removal spells, escape combat but leave something blocked... lots of things. Quite handy actually! The bad thing is you lose any counters on the creature. Try him out on the computer!

I'm not a fan of the rings. They're a bit slow.


Quote
shocklands are Ģ11! mentality.
shit! Master biomancers are Ģ7.90.
I'm not buying them.
I'd be gutted if I got a mythic, and it was Giant Adephage. Ģ2.30.

Haha! Prices do vary a bit from site to site. But shocklands are always expensive.

Mythics are about every six boosters or something. I don't really recommend buying boosters though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 05, 2013, 02:52:08 PM
What does everyone think their best deck is right now?

My wall one has done ok but my pure red deck seems to have the most luck against a variety of stuff.

I'm about to (try) build a red/green aggro deck... whether that is how it will turn out I dunno...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2013, 03:39:22 PM
I was going to maybe buy the simic intro pack and the boros event deck, and maybe a few cards to round those out. Plus a booster pack or two just for a laugh. I feel bad buying the event deck when I already have the boros intro pack.

I’ll try him out, he’s cheap in real life. Even if he’s just popping in and out to get evolve going, that way he’s not wasting tokens.
What if he blocks someone, then exiles himself, comes back and evolves my other creatures. Can that evolution let them kill things they otherwise wouldn’t?



My boros deck is definitely the best. Aggro weeny, which is what I always run, plus boosted from battalion, with oring and burn colours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2013, 03:58:23 PM
I'm not sure what my best deck is. I have a huge number of abandoned ones on the program!

I'm mainly playing gatecrash-heavy decks at the moment, and probably my Orzhov one is the best. Of the other standard-legal ones, either ghosts(the blue/white one that splashes black for lingering souls) or one of the human decks (I like the blue/white one because of mass appeal refilling my hand).


I feel bad buying the event deck when I already have the boros intro pack.

Ha ha, don't then!


Quote
What if he blocks someone, then exiles himself, comes back and evolves my other creatures. Can that evolution let them kill things they otherwise wouldn’t?

Yes. Let's say you assign him as a blocker. Then, in the 'fast effects after blockers' step, flicker him out. He comes back in (no longer in the combat), and it triggers the evolve in the other creatures. They then have the counters in time for damage dealing.

Note that the soulbond breaks every time he flickers himself or the soulbonded creature flickers (left play). But you can re-soulbind him using the normal rules.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 05, 2013, 05:25:45 PM
Ah yeh your human blue white deck is brutal. Forgot about those 'older' ones. Finlay I have to agree your boris one that generates a billion tokens is very good.

Thinking back, my werewolf one was pretty alright... And of course those zombie decks are nasty...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 06, 2013, 08:44:14 AM
Good games last night. Would have been interesting to see who took game 3 if game2 hadn't taken so long!

Did you have any really nifty cards? Gotta say I liked my easily resurrectable angel.

Rufus did you make a sealed deck too? If you still have it we could always try them next time we play. I do like that sealed forces a bunch of cards on you that you would normally overlook.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2013, 10:32:56 AM
Rufus did you make a sealed deck too?

No! I went on the site but then was inexplicably in a bad mood and didn't do anything.

Could do sealed tonight maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2013, 11:33:03 AM
You know, I don’t think I had any nifty cards really. I got a load of simic evolvers, and not much of anything else. It had quite a lot of padding! Oh actually, I had one of the good gruul spells- the one which can kill a flying creature, a non flying creature and hurt a player all in one go.
It definitely was good games though, we can finish game 3 later! I wont be on for a few days as I have to go away for a conference.



you kept watching our games but not doing anything!

rules question, can this
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/nxohv3sgd9_en.jpg)
be boosted on entry to make it 2 power so it evolves 1 power simic creatures?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2013, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Finlay
rules question, can this be boosted on entry to make it 2 power so it evolves 1 power simic creatures?

No, that doesn't work. You can't play the sprite's ability until it has actually entered play (the ability can then be put on the stack and resolved). Remember that evolve triggers as a creature enters play. So the sprite can't be boosted until it's too late - it has already entered play before it can be boosted.

Creatures that enter play with counters already on them (returning undying-ers, creatures when master biomancer is in play) will trigger evolve because the counters come on with them.

Not sure if that's a clear enough explanation or not! The great thing with magic is you can usually decide how something is supposed to work by careful reading of the terminology. Which doesn't work at all with warhammer!



you kept watching our games but not doing anything!

I wasn't even watching really! Sorry, it was rude.

Still, you were both too busy with your games to play me, so it's fine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2013, 02:10:50 PM
cheating finlay! I thought it was instant speed so would resolve before it entered the battlefield.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=220026&type=card)

So this wouldn't work either?


I am finding it hard to build a simic deck for using in real life. It's hard to test them on the computer because you do and face things you wouldnt in real life. For example, 4 verdant havens would be Ģ28, and 4 breeding pools would be Ģ44. No way I'd ever use them!
Are those ebay auctions which come from abroad all fake cards?
ie this one. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-x-Hinterland-Harbor-Innistrad-MTG-Bant-Aura-Standard-loojuicebo-/150990211946?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item2327b7cb6a
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2013, 02:33:41 PM
It is instant speed, but you can't play the ability until the card is already in play. By which point it is too late. Only things that make a creature come into play already boosted will work with evolve. So no, that card won't work either.


If you're buying decks to play in real life, it's best to just accept that you won't have 8 multi-lands. Unless you want to win tournaments (!), it doesn't really matter. If your opponents don't have them either, no problem! It's not worth spending the money. I think I have one steam vents, one blood crypt, and two glacial fortresses. That's it!

If you want to test a deck on the computer, we can just agree not to use those lands! Easy.

I expect the ebay auctions are fine. If the seller has good feedback, I doubt they'll suddenly start selling fakes. But the only cards I've bought on ebay came from inside the UK.

Ha, that seller has an auction for four sulfur falls too. Want!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2013, 02:45:21 PM
So that counter card is only useful for things like fathom mage, gyre sage, and simic manipulatyor.  I don't like fathom mage, and gyre sage never seems to work.
Not sure if it’s worth using verdant haven to splash some other colours. (white for this, red for some spells?)

I have accepted I wont have 8 multi lands, but to test decks without them, you have to fight decks without them otherwise it is at a big disadvantage

He also has 4 tarmogoyfs for $285! Mental
Also, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-Obzedat-Ghost-Council-Gatecrash-Orzhov-MTG-Standard-loojuicebo-/150990204102?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item2327b7acc6
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2013, 03:14:17 PM
Zameck guildmage is good, because it actually does add counters when things enter the board. I'd avoid travel preparations - it's good in a green/white deck, but not good enough to splash white for. It's not lingering souls!

I'd say don't splash in another colour unless it is really useful to do so. Especially without shocklands and tappy lands!

If you want to add counters (not for evolve, for other stuff) then this is great!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=262834&type=card)

I don't know how much that card costs.

This is good too, and maybe a bit Simic-y:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=279608&type=card)

Champion interacts with that flicker ghost you posted earlier. Each time someone flickers in... then attack unblockably with everything.


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but to test decks without them, you have to fight decks without them otherwise it is at a big disadvantage

We can do that though. Just agree not to use multi-lands for those games.


I'm not sure why Tarmagoyf is so expensive really! But I've heard it's a big deal in Modern. Stupid price.

I really want the ghost council! I might bid.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2013, 04:25:35 PM
I made a quick sealed deck for later in case anyone's on.

I had a set of ravnica cards still in sealed mode, for some reason, but I didn't use them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 06, 2013, 05:10:34 PM
I'd certainly be up for that if it works out I can get on...

I might use my same sealed deck or do a new one if I get bored.

Finlay, if we do get to do game 3 it will be interesting for sure. I think, scarily, your deck is a little faster than mine, but if I get up to 6 lands I think it starts to get powerful cos I have a  lot of expensive kill spells but also some nifty creatures (couple of angels etc).

The main thing you screwed me over with last night was that pesky take control guy. Switching that one extort guy over to your side I think honestly tipped it enough into your favour to eventually take me out. I must kill him asap if I see him again! He could be fun to put increasing savagery on in standard, steal one huge creature or a load of little ones!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 06, 2013, 11:10:19 PM
He also has 4 tarmogoyfs for $285! Mental

Yeah, that's about the going rate.  They're in like every non-combo deck in Modern and Legacy.  They're reprinting them in the upcoming Modern Masters set, so that might help the price a little. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2013, 10:59:30 AM
I don't really understand why it's that good. It's just a really cheap creature, isn't it? I might have to try it out on the computer some time (for free! Ha ha!).


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They're reprinting them in the upcoming Modern Masters set

Hmmm, I saw that. 'These boosters are full of reprinted cards, so they cost twice as much because you might get a Tamagoyf!'

No!



Siby: good games last night! I thought my Boris sealed deck would be good, but it couldn't cope with your endless removal cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 07, 2013, 07:34:53 PM
Your deck did have me worried I will admit, but I think once I realised that you had no super creature I was happy to just kill spell the little guys and wait for mine to come out. I actually had mostly expensive stuff so if I could survive a few turns I was ok.

Really surprised at my dragons doing reasonably, but it was mainly due to the walls and burn!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 08, 2013, 12:48:17 PM
My Boris sealed deck bombed against Finlay too. Boooo!

Dragon walls is a good deck!


I can't decide if this guy is good or not:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366266&type=card)

I often find it hard to get people to damage him!


Also, looking at the prices for real cards one week in... master biomancer has gone up. Giant adephage and the other mythics no one wants have gone down. The two Aurelia cards are very expensive. Boros reckoner is the most expensive rare that isn't a shock land. And boros charm is by far the most expensive uncommon.

So, Boris is the most popular, it seems.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 08, 2013, 01:34:31 PM
4 biomancers go for Ģ22.50 including p and p on ebay. 5.60 each.

boris charm is good!

can you kill the HPoP yourself?

I don't overly rate the boris reckoner- what am I missing?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 08, 2013, 01:42:05 PM
I need to look at ebay more for rare/mythic cards. Cheaper than internet card shops!


can you kill the HPoP yourself?

In theory, yes. But you have to deal it damage, which is quite hard to do. Even if you splash red for damage spells, you'll be wasting a card! Hmmm. Really, you want to make it indestructable or regenerating and then damage it. But hassle!


Reckoner is definitely good. But I'm not sure it's as good as the price suggests. It must be something to do with the other decks prevalent at tournaments. Maybe he's really good against thragtusks, or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 08, 2013, 01:59:55 PM
yeh ebay seems good for cards.
Still too much though! want to spend about Ģ10 for those 4.

I think HPoP would be good if he got extort, because he will probably stay alive, and get his 1 damage through a turn.
But I agree, he looks good but in practice hard to use. (Did I get one in my booster? did I give hm to you if so? I meant to! )
I think thats the same with simic manipulator. Too hard to get tokens on, and then will be a lightning rod for removal. I suppose it's good if people remove him instead of something else, but still annoying when you want to control creatures!


Yeh, that's what I thought. He's good but surely not the best card in the set. I don't think I put him in the boris deck I made
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 08, 2013, 03:07:59 PM
Oh no, I just bought a ghost council! And an orzhov shockland and a simic one! ebay makes me spend money!

Immediate buyer's remorse. I need to sell some of my old cards to feel better about it.


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Did I get one in my booster? did I give hm to you if so? I meant to!

Ha ha, thanks! But I don't think you got one. I've seen an ebay auction for four of them though, which is calling me. He probably needs to have equipment put on him to make him nasty, so people want to kill him. Not an enchantment because it will be wasted when he dies. Maybe a silver dagger or something like that.

It's too bad you can't trigger the ability by sacrificing him. That would have been easier in black (barter in blood springs to mind).


I hope I haven't addicted you to magic cards, by the way! You're probably too sensible to buy any.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 08, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
I find Hpop annoying so I don't think he is bad at all. It's like selective deathtouch. Maybe something that makes him fly would be nice, then he can block most anything.

I know I refrained from attacking on the ground for a few turns because he was there so he did a good job of that...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 08, 2013, 04:04:28 PM
Maybe something that makes him fly would be nice, then he can block most anything.

Maybe this?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=220649&type=card)

It's not really worth it, I expect. Still, he is good as a deterrent.

Or or or:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=259692&type=card)

Regenerate and it gets bigger! I don't rate the rings normally, but in this case it could be good!

[there are so few good artifacts in standard!]


Back to Simic:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240194&type=card)

Is this any good?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 08, 2013, 04:49:32 PM

Why did you buy a simic one, do you want to make a simic deck? How much did you spend? the bundles of 4 seem to go at ok-ish prices.

Yes, I can't quite bring myself to buy cards. although I really want to.. Ģ20 per deck seems a lot to me, let alone per card or per bundle of four.

I think HPoP is fine for what he does. He certainly annoys me when I want to attack. wasting cards on crap equipment, and mana to equip them, is just spending extra resources to help make soemthing a bit good not much better. You may as well just take tragic slip/murder etc to remove things.
He is what he is- for 2 mana, 1 damage a turn, and removal every so often while consistently stalling the opposition




What's the point of alchemist's refuge?. Isn't flash good and instants good to let you do it on your opponents turn? Could you activate its ability in opponents turn?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 08, 2013, 10:34:20 PM
Sorry rufus, that was suckily fast I had to leave. I was hoping my wife wasn't gonna need it but she did...

I think this might be the most aggro deck I have owned since the naya days of wooly thoctor!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 09, 2013, 11:12:32 AM
Ha, never mind. Three games in about 15 minutes!


Quote from: Finlay
Why did you buy a simic one, do you want to make a simic deck? How much did you spend? the bundles of 4 seem to go at ok-ish prices.

Yes, I can't quite bring myself to buy cards. although I really want to.. Ģ20 per deck seems a lot to me, let alone per card or per bundle of four.

I do want a simic deck. I used to hate blue/green, but I've been converted because of the fish crab. Don't want to say how much I spent, but it wasn't that bad!

Magic cards are expensive though, and it's easy to get addicted. However, warhammer army books now cost 30 quid... at least you get a decent game with a magic deck.


You're right about not trying to make the high priest better with rubbish artifacts. He's OK as he is.


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What's the point of alchemist's refuge?. Isn't flash good and instants good to let you do it on your opponents turn? Could you activate its ability in opponents turn?

So you can cast creatures and sorceries in your opponent's turn, really. Or in response to things. Though you have to pay 3 mana to do it (including the mana you don't get from the land because you've tapped it for this). It's probably not that useful. It's really cheap to buy, which is usually a bad sign.


By the way, you know those blue/green wall decks you both have that try to summon giant mosters? Surely you should use this!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366248&type=card)

At worst you get a land or another wall. At best, stormtide leviathan!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 09, 2013, 11:18:42 AM
Is this any good?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247116&type=card)

I wish Impulse or Ponder was still in standard. Or something with 'scry.'


Hmmm, you could cast this with x = 1

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366312&type=card)

Then cast a creature, and evolve everything!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 09, 2013, 12:44:46 PM
It's cheap and has flashback... Bummer about the graveyard dump though...

I miss summoning trap... Nothing better than having a cheap wall countered only to cast some invincible angel for free!

Unexpected results does look interesting but I dunno what I would take out for it...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 09, 2013, 01:34:55 PM
I've made my own wall deck that uses unexpected results!

We can have a wall fight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 09, 2013, 02:48:36 PM
Uh oh!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 09, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
Unexpected... omniscience!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 09, 2013, 07:22:26 PM
I don't really understand why it's that good. It's just a really cheap creature, isn't it? I might have to try it out on the computer some time (for free! Ha ha!).

Yeah, it's just super-efficient.  In Legacy, it's usually a 4/5 for 1G, which you can't beat.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 09, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
Fair enough. At least the new art looks a lot better than the original!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 09, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Finlay is mean to rats!

One more mana and I'd have cast the rat boss!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366432&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 09, 2013, 11:37:47 PM
I like your evolve everything idea with biomass mutation!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 09, 2013, 11:39:33 PM
Yes, it's a genius idea!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 10, 2013, 03:11:49 AM
Just played my brother at last for a couple of hours.

First off he killed my curse deck with a greenish deck I forget.

Then we did gatecrash sealed in which I got 2! of those 9/9 trample greens but otherwise went simic. He played boris and had a gideon but had horrific luck so I beat him 3 times in a row.

Next we played modern and he trounced my faerie deck twice with a brutal elf deck before I got revenge with my knights vs his dragons.

He was using planeswalkers which threw me for a loop!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 11, 2013, 10:53:59 AM
I still don't like planeswalkers. They dominate the game.


Does anyone like the keyrunes? I don't find them very useful at all (except in sealed).


Also, people seem to think orzhov charm is good:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366436&type=card)

But I don't really see it. It's like three cards I wouldn't particularly want to use stuck together.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
I find the keyrunes a bit overpriced. Agree that they can work nively in sealed. Thing is with the access we have to dual lands and the fact that most every deck is only 2 colour, you really don't need it's mana ability.

Orzhov charm is ok. Useful for killing pesky things that keep triggering abilities without being involved in combat, plus if you have a couple of nice 1 mana creatures, dual usage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 11, 2013, 11:19:18 AM
boo to planeswalkers

and yeh, I don't like the keyrunes.

Orzhov charm looks ok. removal for losing health is not bad if you have extorted a bit. (would be good versus planeswalkers!)
Does your deck have any useful 1 cmc cards? (in the "competetive" play, deathrite shaman is good) and I think the first ability is for things like restoration angel
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 11, 2013, 01:36:38 PM
Would you use deathrite without green though? Maybe. I suppose his black ability is the best one. I don't currently use any one mana creatures that I'm that bothered about getting back!

I suppose it's quite good, so long as you put some things in to benefit from all the modes. I actually like the Simic one more though.


Keyrunes use up too much mana. First casting them, then paying to creaturise them. Most of them don't even turn into useful creatures!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 11, 2013, 02:38:30 PM
Would you use deathrite without green though? Maybe. I suppose his black ability is the best one. I don't currently use any one mana creatures that I'm that bothered about getting back!

I suppose it's quite good, so long as you put some things in to benefit from all the modes. I actually like the Simic one more though.
I wouldn't use it in an orzhov deck because I think mixing guilds is a bit dodgy! But I think for competitive play, deathrite shaman is good. Even without green the top two abilities are good.

I really like the simic charm. Lots of uses.


I’m going to have to check my deck and compare it on firestorm cards with what I want to buy. The simic precon has loads of shite I don’t want.
Although I will need forests and islands!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 11, 2013, 02:59:58 PM
Ha, guild mixing is a bit wrong. I think the last set of this block might be about that though.

Simic charm is good because it's two cards that are good anyway (giant growth and unsummon) plus a sort of 'counter your spell that targets my creatures' thing. Handy!

I want to buy a (real) Simic deck, but I can't decide what I want in it! Plus firestorm are out of stock on some things like the aforementioned Simic Charm. I've found another site with decent prices so might try them. Master Biomancers are definitely not an option though. Or Prime Speaker whatshername.

Hmmm, maybe 'clone' in a Simic deck. Copy their big creature and evolve your other stuff when it comes into play! Themetastic too.


I can send you islands and forests if you want! I have a ton of spare old ones, probably.


I've made an awesome sealed deck on GCCG for later. It was easy because I basically got loads of Orzhov stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2013, 09:44:06 PM
I don't know if you guys have plans of playing but I might get on there and make one too just incase...

I think for only two mana, most of the charms are fairly decent. Even where one option is marginal, having two instants on one for so cheap is very versatile. When all three are good it's really just a bonus!

I think that put stuff back in your hand one would actually be ok in my unblockable deck because I often have one guy with 2 or 3 enchantments. Being able to dodge all of that going to the graveyard would be nice...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 11, 2013, 11:16:10 PM
Magically whipping Finlay to death = awesome!

It makes up for bombing against Siby.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 11, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
Also, people seem to think orzhov charm is good:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366436&type=card)

But I don't really see it. It's like three cards I wouldn't particularly want to use stuck together.

What's not to like?  I'd play it just for the efficient removal mode; the other two are admittedly situational, but they're just gravy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 11, 2013, 11:46:15 PM
Black/white isn't short of creature kill though. And that's not a great example.

Some of the other charms are a lot better. Though, to be fair, some are worse!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2013, 12:45:49 AM
I can get the deck simic deck I used on the programme, minus the dualk lands, and minus 4 master biomancers (+increasing savagery, + elusive krasis, + drakewing krasis + zameck guildmage) for Ģ13.50 posted from troll trader, plus buying the savagery's on ebay.

not bad!

the intro packs are kind of wack, although I suppose you do get the 2 boosters.

firestorm is being slow and weird so i cant check
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2013, 01:01:31 AM
That's not too bad, though troll trader's prices look high-ish on average to me.


It's best to avoid boosters anyway - you just end up with a load of stuff you don't want!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 12, 2013, 08:40:38 AM
Magically whipping Finlay to death = awesome!

It makes up for bombing against Siby.

I'm on a bit of a sealed roll right now! Just as well really, cos my normal win record is about 33% or less! I was so releived to get that last bloodrush through, finlay kept popping out new bigger and bigger stuff every turn!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2013, 10:05:42 AM
I thought I was on to a winner with my deck too! Orzhov-tastic, with some of my favourite cards. I even had three copies of 'killing glare!'

Those sudden bloodrush wins are a bit disappointing really. Slam, 12 damage! It's like my goblins/teleportal deck. Aetherize!


cos my normal win record is about 33% or less!

I think mine is under 50 now.  :icon_sad:

Not that I look at it.  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2013, 10:35:00 AM
I think gruul might be quite good. They have that amazing burn spell. Then gruul charm to make you unblockable, then bloodrush for a quick win. I do quite like playing with it! But I do understand why you think it’s boring rufus. Not very interactive- like playing a counterburn deck :p

I think you’ve whipped me to death twice and I;ve whipped you to death once. Dodgy!

I want to buy 2 boosters just for the thrill.


I really like sealed. It makes you take cards you never would in standard and find a use for them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 12, 2013, 11:10:17 AM
Magic is almost always an anticlimactic ending, even in a good game. If the game is bad it is annoying because your deck sucked and if it is good, it is annoying because they pulled the rug out from your plan. The main consolation for this is that you generally take it in turns to win/lose.

But if you get on a losing streak it is seriously depressing!

I agree gruul is tasty. I have a seriously aggro gruul deck (which actually has a touch of black in...). It did pretty well vs rufus the other day but I haven't had a chance to test it vs much else yet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2013, 11:11:06 AM
I'll have to make a gruul deck (on gccg) and see how I like it from the other side. It just seems a bit limited. Attack, bloodrush, burn.

Hey, counterburn is amazing! I'll have to play you with my isochron sceptre deck sometime... that really is non-interactive. Counter everything, gradually burn you to death.   ::heretic::


I think you’ve whipped me to death twice and I;ve whipped you to death once. Dodgy!

Uh oh, I suppose it is a bit!  :icon_eek:


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I want to buy 2 boosters just for the thrill.

It's only a thrill if you get something good! Otherwise it's really disappointing. I was excited when I got Niv-Mizzet in a booster... but other times I've had stuff like 'conjured currency' which is rubbish.

But if you do, tell me if you get any stuff I might want!


Sealed makes you realize just how bad some cards are!


What do you think about counterspells in a Simic deck? Maybe Spell Rupture or Syncopate? Or just not bother?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2013, 11:12:39 AM
But if you get on a losing streak it is seriously depressing!

It is! And it doesn't take much to set me off!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2013, 01:27:28 PM
Magic is almost always an anticlimactic ending, even in a good game. If the game is bad it is annoying because your deck sucked and if it is good, it is annoying because they pulled the rug out from your plan. The main consolation for this is that you generally take it in turns to win/lose.
dunno, I tend to quite often have good games.
yesterday vs rufus He was grinding me to death with orzhov and I managed to get a massive strike to get him to 1 life… but just not quite enough to win.
Games are normally good unless one player gets mana screwed, or your deck just totally can’t deal with another persons. (my boris deck vs rufus’ axebane guardians- no removal or o-rings, so if he got that huge leviathan or the “always 7 health” wurm out I couldn’t win.)


isochron sceptre! dodgy mirrodin artifact.

I think I have a syndic of tithes, and also another orzhov card you might want from the boosters from the boros intro deck.


I think counters in a simic deck is a good idea. I've gone aggro simic with the increasing savagery, but a deck built around stalling people till you can evolve things is the other option.
 I don't really like syncopate as it can be hard to use late game.

is this  standard?
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dissipate

also, cancel is standard. (3 mana counterspell)


firestorm cards keeps breaking! stop it! finally manipulated firestorm to work. simic charm not in stock. but Ģ8.52 for my deck, and that includes 2 biomass mutations. add another 1.60 for simic charm. so 3 quid cheaper and gain 2 biomass mutations.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2013, 04:44:50 PM
Yes, I enjoy most games. It's nice if it goes fairly evenly until someone wins, rather than one player steamrollering the other though. Also, a lot of deck-searching cards makes things tedious! Siby's dragon deck had a searchy card that took a while to use.


Isochron sceptre is too evil to be allowed.


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I think I have a syndic of tithes, and also another orzhov card you might want from the boosters from the boros intro deck.

Oh, thanks!


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I think counters in a simic deck is a good idea.

I'm not sure, because if you're holding back mana for counters you aren't playing creatures. I remember I used to use counters in my innistrad humans deck but took them out because they were ruining my momentum. I can't decide.

Dissipate is OK but three mana is a lot, and double-blue is nasty. Cancel is the same thing except worse! I hate cancel.


Firestorm's website is bad because they saved money on it to make the cards cheaper! Maybe. Did you buy the deck then?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
no! the website goes mental when I try to proceed from my cart to checkout.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2013, 05:02:04 PM
Oh. Well, it does work sometimes! I've used it more than once.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 12, 2013, 05:11:38 PM
The problem with me and search cards is that I am slow and almost always using new decks...

I have seen people ponder in just a few seconds but anytime I used to play it I had to think really carefully!

There is probably an easier way to randomise that one card too but I just had to develop my own super tedious method!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
That random card thing was a nightmare! So awkward!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 12, 2013, 06:23:44 PM
I wish there was a one dice roll feature on there. If you trust me, I might just roll a dice at home, would be a lot quicker!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2013, 08:21:49 PM
I just played a sealed game vs a randomer on the programme.
I said before we played "I'm just finishing my deck, I got too many good cards!"

We played three games, I wont 2 comprehensively, he won 1 comprehensively.

Then accused me of making a constructed deck, or at least opening 10 boosters.

FUCK that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 12, 2013, 08:23:40 PM
Who was it? You can name and shame!

Also, aren't you supposed to use 6 boosters?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2013, 08:30:13 PM
avenger.

It wasnt like i had all these rares, I beat him with wojek halberdiers, and daring skyjets, which are common.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 12, 2013, 08:47:20 PM
Just checking. Every now and again I play a random and getting into a game with some of them is fun... Others, terrible!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2013, 08:52:29 PM
he was fine while we played!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 12, 2013, 09:24:16 PM
I'm on there right now you know  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2013, 10:14:22 PM
Oh no, that's annoying!

I'm on there now. I made a new sealed deck.


...but no one else is there.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2013, 11:22:36 PM
I'm on there right now you know  :-P
sorry siby, I was making pancakes then playing max payne 3, didnt realise you were on
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2013, 11:38:10 PM
That's right, it was pancake day today! I made pancakes too.


Anyway, magic lesson for the day is 'don't get excited that you got the ghost council in your sealed deck and make a deck around it, even though your other cards in those colours suck. Just make a boris deck and win.'

Disappointed by ghosts!  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 13, 2013, 12:07:47 AM
I think I've magic overdosed.

Although I have to play tomorrow as I won't be able to on Thursday (valentines day) then I'm away fro, Friday till Wednesday

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 13, 2013, 08:46:32 AM
What think you guys to doing a sealed RTR RTR GTC?

Just for a little variety? I feel like just using one set, and one that has such clean cut colour combos can start to get a little atale after a while. Maybe mixing the two would make for some interesting decks?

Just thought I would put it out there. For the short time I was drafting that is what we used to do after the initial couple of weeks of all one set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 09:38:17 AM
What, 3 pack of RTR, 3 of GTC?

Yes, let's do that! Tonight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 13, 2013, 11:28:08 AM
I was on draft mode so I was thinking 4 and 2 but 3 and 3 makes way more sense!!

I hope I can get on there tonight. I will try and make one in prep in the hopes that I can and we can get straight to playing. I think Boris needs a spanner thrown in the works and maybe the split will do that...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 11:41:01 AM
3 each because both are large sets!

Yes, Boris is easily the best in GTC sealed. But RTR has populate and detain!


Finlay's not allowed to open ten packs though. Or use a red/green shockland as a red/white.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 13, 2013, 11:49:42 AM
Throwing a spanner in boris’s works. Made me laugh.
I’ll premake a deck, and I wont play earlier in the evening vs a random to annoy me!


!
shockland yes, too many packs no
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 11:53:01 AM
I'll make a deck too.


 :icon_eek: Just looked up a few old cards I have on a cheapish shop called the magic card trader.

Vindicate = Ģ17
Wasteland = Ģ35  (I have 4!)
Vampiric tutor = Ģ15.40 (I have 2 or 3)
Plateau = Ģ32

I have visions of trying to sell these on ebay and getting a couple of quid for each...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 13, 2013, 12:01:51 PM
watch some auctions on ebay to see the actual prices

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MTG-Tempest-Wasteland-/221187832422?pt=UK_Collectables_TradingCards_RL&hash=item337fd27a66
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-Vindicate-English-M-NM-Condition-MTG-Apocalypse-rare-Magic-The-Gathering-/121065494125?pt=UK_Collectables_TradingCards_RL&hash=item1c3010d66d
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MTG-4x-Revised-Dual-Land-PLATEAU-x4-Magic-The-Gathering-/200893764364?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item2ec633930c

Then sell them! ridiculous prices.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
Yes, I'll have to do that. I can't believe wasteland (an uncommon!) is the most expensive card from Tempest. I guess the only market these days is for legacy, so anything tutor-y, mana-acceleratey or cheap-removaly is in demand. Hence that list of expensive cards.

I also have city of traitors... Ģ19. Survival of the fittest is Ģ14! I thought it was banned.

Vampiric tutor is banned too. Must be for the vintage market rather than legacy. Oh, maybe for commander too.

Sell sell sell!


Hammer of Bogardan, once the most expensive card in Mirage, is now worthless. But former joke rare lion's eye diamond costs Ģ45! I don't have that, sadly.


Ģ18 for academy rector! I know I have three of those.

OK, I'll stop going on about this now! I'm just surprised.


Also, I've made my sealed deck now, and it's rubbish.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 13, 2013, 02:04:53 PM
It's all the cards which do things which they stopped making cards for. ie tutors.
LED is for dodgy one turn win legacy decks I don't understand!

sell sell sell! and buy xbox games and a train ticket.



I think sealed mixing rtr and gtc might require tri-colour.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 02:27:33 PM
I'm watching some relevant auctions on ebay. Once I'm sure people actually buy these things I'll put some up for sale!

Maybe some warhammer stuff too, like that spare galloper gun.


My sealed deck is three colour. I didn't have enough cards to do two colour! There are too many multi-coloured cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 13, 2013, 02:39:12 PM
That was my worry/thought for rtr and gtc and guild clashes.

That magic site you used is cheap. But they don’t have loads of stuff I want. No searing spears! They are commons, and you can buy 4 for a pound on ebay.
No rancor! heresy. rancor is expensive on ebay

I was going to make a gruul/boar deck because flinthoof boar and festerhide boar are quite good, and zhurtaa swine is good bloodrushed.


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/ulqi7zd9gw_en.jpg)
what does this do if you choose 3 the same?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 13, 2013, 02:54:12 PM
I thought tricolour might be how it goes. Or a compromised two colour. But in a way I like the idea of that. More to think about than before. I put my last couple of sealed decks together in about 3 minutes it was so obvious what they should be!

I am hoping that blue will get a look in more too, just for variety. I know sometimes we go simic but it has mainly felt like boris, orzhov or gruul...

I wish I had sold some of the good rares we got when we drafted. There were times when people would be offering us $30 for one that we just won! But we were silly and wanted to hold onto them...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 03:38:37 PM
That magic site you used is cheap. But they don’t have loads of stuff I want. No searing spears! They are commons, and you can buy 4 for a pound on ebay.
No rancor! heresy. rancor is expensive on ebay

Everyone has bought the good cards already because they are cheap! Not that searing spear is good. It's the 'cancel' of damage spells. Lighting bolt for one more mana! Incinerate without the 'no regeneration' clause!

I think I have 7 copies of rancor! It was common originally.


Boar deck sounds good though. Do it!


Quote
what does this do if you choose 3 the same?

They all get shuffled back. You have to chose 3 different ones or it doesn't work!



Quote from: Siberius
I am hoping that blue will get a look in more too, just for variety. I know sometimes we go simic but it has mainly felt like boris, orzhov or gruul...

My deck is red/blue/black. But lacks good cards.


Quote from: Siberius
I wish I had sold some of the good rares we got when we drafted. There were times when people would be offering us $30 for one that we just won! But we were silly and wanted to hold onto them...

Probably they aren't worth as much now! If they're out of standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 03:41:41 PM
Ha, if you search 'rancor' on ebay, you get.... the rancor from star wars.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 09:28:03 PM
I'm on the magic site now.

Play me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 13, 2013, 10:11:51 PM
I can't get on right now!  :|

Dunno how long you guys are gonna be there but I hope to get on in a bit. If you have departed by then I am sorry but if not, huzzah!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
Boooo!

I might still be on later.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 13, 2013, 10:18:16 PM
Turns out I should be on in about 20 mins!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 13, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
Jolly good! Finlay's not shown up yet anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 13, 2013, 10:42:29 PM
I'll make a deck too.


 :icon_eek: Just looked up a few old cards I have on a cheapish shop called the magic card trader.

Vindicate = Ģ17
Wasteland = Ģ35  (I have 4!)
Vampiric tutor = Ģ15.40 (I have 2 or 3)
Plateau = Ģ32

I have visions of trying to sell these on ebay and getting a couple of quid for each...

I'd buy your Plateau if you're gonna sell it.  PM me if you're interested.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 14, 2013, 12:24:25 AM
The streak continues! I seem to have a tonne of luck in sealed. Maybe the randomness of lorwyn will do me in!

The one game vs finlay was like i had my whole deck infront of me and was picking exactly what I needed. Never had a draw be quite so perfect.

Have to try and make that rakdos deck at some point soon...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 14, 2013, 02:27:18 PM
Don't forget to remind me what split we are supposed to be doing in lorwyn too! I have already forgotten.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 14, 2013, 03:27:44 PM
2 lorwyn, 2 shadowmoor, 1 eventide, 1 morningtide

Going on the wizards site is a bit scary.
I clicked onto an apparently powerful rakdos deck which won some tourney. It had 0 rakdos cards in it, apart from rakdos guildgates. It’s not rakdos if it has no rakdos cards! It’s just black red aggro burn


I dont have enough fake money for sealed! someone give me some fake money
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 14, 2013, 09:58:33 PM
My Rakdos deck:

4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Rakdos Shred Fiend
3 Rakdos's Return
2 Rakdos
4 Rix Maadi Guildmage
4 Hellhole Flailer
4 Dreadbore
2 Carnival Hellsteed
2 Shadow Alley Denizen
2 Slaughter Games
3 Ash Zealot
2 Mizzium Mortars
(Lots of red black land)

All about haste, unleash and removal. Will it work? We'll have to test it out and see!

Incedentally, after saying that the charms all seem ok, rakdos charm has 3 totally rubbish options. I would have taken one decent and two rubbish but alas no.

Fin I tried to give you money but apparently you have to be there.  :-(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 15, 2013, 11:35:57 AM
It’s not rakdos if it has no rakdos cards!

I think they just use the guild names to identify deck colours. Like the alara names are still used for three-colour decks, even though they are way out of date (and alara was rubbish, themewise!).

I find the decks on wizards depressing.


Quote
My Rakdos deck:

It looks OK! Unleash still sucks though. Also, maybe get some more burn.

Rakdos charm does suck. The charms aren't balanced at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 15, 2013, 11:44:10 AM
Also, I was looking at the original Simic cards from the first ravnica block. Some of them are amazing!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=97112&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=97106&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=83737&type=card)

Want!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 15, 2013, 12:05:34 PM
Legacy guild decks?

coiling oracle looks fucking amazing. draw or extra land.

trygon predater is immense- means you don't need naturalise.
Shame the art sucks ass.

omnibian = dont need rapid hypridization
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 15, 2013, 12:19:02 PM
There were other good cards too! I think we should definitely make guild decks using cards from both sets.

Momir Vig = easy Biovisionary win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 15, 2013, 02:35:39 PM
Just making the lorwyn and co. sealed deck for tonight (in case Siby is on!).

Puncture blast is a good burn spell!

Clash is an annoying mechanic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 15, 2013, 03:24:33 PM
I hope to get on. My lorwyn deck feels pretty dodgy. So many potential cards though that I think we could draft lorwyn multiple times without getting very bored of it. Well, I could anyways!

I didn't realise the old ravnica guilds were the same, but it makes sense!

I don't mind 3 colours. I really enjoyed alara,though the last one with only multicoloured was too much for my brain to hanfle!

Naya jungle theme was cool. The others were ok but you can't beat jungle!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 15, 2013, 03:34:24 PM
I made a weird black/red deck full of weird cards. Because lorwyn/shadowmoor is weird.


I noticed recently that bloodbraid elf has been banned (in modern). Die, alara cascade decks!


Old ravnica had the bestestest creature ever:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=292731&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 15, 2013, 10:40:35 PM
I feel as though lorwyn sealed requires more concentration. Weird complicated cards!


Also, I forgot that it invented planeswalkers! Curse you, liliana vess!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 16, 2013, 12:14:39 AM
She only made you discard one card before dieing pathetically!

Note to self, you might get lucky and win one game starting with one land, but trying that twice is pushing it...

Overall though pretty fun. I think the best deck won. Mine didn't feel all that great... Maybe I should have dabbled with a third colour...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 16, 2013, 01:41:45 AM
I feel like I should have won at least one of those 'release the ants' clashes though!


Also, this card is terrible:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=146443&type=card)

I thought it said 'opponent discards a card.' But no! You deserve to be exiled, exiled boggart.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 16, 2013, 09:07:47 AM
I think that was my favourite moment, you realising that he would hurt you. I think the only possible way he could be slightly good is for 1 mana in a graveyard deck. And even then...

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 16, 2013, 11:10:54 AM
I couldn't believe it said what it did!

Even if you wanted to discard cards for some reason, this guy would be a bad choice. There are all those 'draw and discard' cards you could use.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 16, 2013, 02:00:32 PM
Rules question:

An undying creature dies and goes to the graveyard.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=262872&type=card)

Can I respond to the undying ability triggering by casting beckon apparition:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366461&type=card)

thus exiling the creature while still in the graveyard, before it can return?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 16, 2013, 02:30:49 PM
I would guess yes?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 16, 2013, 02:45:39 PM
I think you're probably supposed to be able to do that. It's just a bit murky, timing-wise. But it's handy if it works!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 16, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
If a thing dies, it goes into graveyard, even if only for a second.

Surely?

Check with someone who actually knows the rules!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 16, 2013, 05:47:02 PM
I think it goes into the graveyard, then the undying effect triggers, and when it resolves it comes back into play. So there's time to exile it in between. But I'm not sure!

Ah, it does work! Someone on another forum says so.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 16, 2013, 10:52:09 PM
Dunno what you guys are up to but I just got on.

Probably hang around for 15 mins to see if anyone turns up.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 16, 2013, 10:58:55 PM
I'm not around until Wednesday!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 17, 2013, 12:47:47 AM
It's OK, I played him!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 17, 2013, 01:04:14 AM
Quite a lot in fact!

That first game was insane... Would you have won if you hadn't given up? I dunno. It might have gone on forever... I had 3 more hydras coming along at some point too... Somebody needed removal!

Rats on rats was equally crazy. I at least felt like I got that one for sure.

Everything else I think you got me for the most part. Need to do some work on my flyers and that green deck...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 17, 2013, 03:13:16 AM
What do you guys think of this deck?

Augur of Bolas      4
Jace memory adept   2
Snapcaster      2
Azorius Charm      4
Blind Obedience      3
Detention Sphere   4
Dissipate              3
Snapcaster           2
Sphinx's Revelation   4
Supreme verdict   4
Rewind              2
Dispel               1
Mind grind              3
      
Godless shrine      2
Watery Grave      3
Drowned Catacomb   4
Hallowed Fountain   4
Glacial Fortress      4
Island              2
Nephia Drownyards   4
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 17, 2013, 03:54:53 AM
If a thing dies, it goes into graveyard, even if only for a second.

Surely?

Check with someone who actually knows the rules!

That is correct. 

1. The creature with Undying goes to the graveyard (and thus is in the graveyard).
2. Undying triggers and goes on the stack
3. The opponent gets priority, and uses it to cast the graveyard removal spell
4. The stack resolves
   a. Graveyard hate spell resolves, removing the Undying guy from the 'yard
   b. Undying tries to resolve, but there's no creature there to return to play anymore, and thus "fizzles"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 18, 2013, 07:57:32 PM
So do any of you guys pay any attention to the 'story'?

To be honest, the closest I have come is reading the little quotes on the cards, which sometimes are quite fun!

But I find the magic universe has so much in it and seemingly lots of it just doesn't gel so I find it hard to want to get into. But I feel like I have seen black library-like books for it. Just curious really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 18, 2013, 11:38:04 PM
So do any of you guys pay any attention to the 'story'?

To be honest, the closest I have come is reading the little quotes on the cards, which sometimes are quite fun!

But I find the magic universe has so much in it and seemingly lots of it just doesn't gel so I find it hard to want to get into. But I feel like I have seen black library-like books for it. Just curious really.

I don't follow the actual story too closely, but the favlor text and imagery is a huge part of what keeps me coming back to the game.  One of my favorite cards is Avacyn; I love her mechanical affect, but I also love her for the art, the flavor text, and how well her mechanical effects match her flavor.  She's a legendary angel of protection, so she makes everything indestructible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 19, 2013, 08:50:40 PM
I think I am pretty much in the same kind of place. There have been cards I haven't wanted to play just because they are so ugly, or decks that I have built around a card because I love the flavour or art so much. .



Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 19, 2013, 11:18:19 PM
I think it goes into the graveyard, then the undying effect triggers, and when it resolves it comes back into play. So there's time to exile it in between. But I'm not sure!

Yes, it goes to the graveyard.  The undying ability triggers and goes to the stack.  You can respond using instants.  Cast beckoning apparation.  Exiles the wolf and brings the spirit into play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 19, 2013, 11:47:33 PM
Philly I would have to make that deck online to form an opinion. What's the general gist of the plan with it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 12:51:29 AM
I won a game with biovisionaries!

This is the best thing ever!


Hurrah!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366414&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 21, 2013, 01:21:22 AM
It was mean!

Are they gonna get banned do you reckon? With all the cards from over the years I bet you could make it happen super quick... especially as green is king of mana ramp and blue is king of copying... could be having fast wins...


Also... I am going to make a standard 5 colour deck! Yes! (Will it work though.... who knows...)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 01:28:55 AM
It's too hard to do it consistently in standard. And you can do far worse things in legacy or modern! So I think it's fine.


Good luck with the five colour deck! Don't forget chromatic lantern! It's really hard to choose cards for a five-colour though. They can end up being really unfocused.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 21, 2013, 02:16:26 AM
My plan is mainly gonna be aggro with mostly double colour stuff so that I have twice as much chance of getting the land I need. We shall see how it turns out...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 21, 2013, 02:35:38 AM
Are they gonna get banned do you reckon? With all the cards from over the years I bet you could make it happen super quick... especially as green is king of mana ramp and blue is king of copying... could be having fast wins...

Generally, any combo involving a creature is inherently weak, since virtually all constructed decks contain maindeck creature removal, usually at instant speed.  The obvious exception being reanimator decks, since they deliberately choose creatures that are highly removal-resistant.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2013, 11:36:57 AM
Do you not get the feeling your biovisionary deck would be better as an elf agro ramp deck?



I love magic!
Well looking forward to lorwyn sealed. Might not be able to get on tonight though
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 21, 2013, 12:46:01 PM
Lorwyn sealed is great. It is so random you never know what you might be facing!

And it is amazing how often the killer card you have (oona for me yesterday) never even comes out. Yesterday it was my swans, who I won't deny are great, but they won both games with 2 -1 counters!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
Ģ19.97 (+increasing savagery) for 3 decks (although my boris one is mostly the intro deck) and I bought extra stuff in case I want to change things.

Im hoping for lots of shape shifters!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 02:36:57 PM
I've spent more than that for sure.  :icon_sad:

I have got five standard-legal decks though! And at least my ghost council were relatively cheap.


I'll make a new lorwyn sealed deck. I've been stuck with red/black twice now, so I'll be hoping for some good cards in different colours for a change.


Do you not get the feeling your biovisionary deck would be better as an elf agro ramp deck?

Yes, but totally not the point!

Anyway, my cow deck already uses an elf ramp. A better one! Arch druid has nothing on priest of titania and rofelos.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 02:59:47 PM
Oh, one really bad thing about the Lorwyn block: clash.

Hate!  :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 21, 2013, 03:00:59 PM
I was worried you just really liked red/black in lorwyn!

I badly want to do green white but haven't sufficient of both yet...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 21, 2013, 03:02:02 PM
I won a clash with a one mana hobbit... Felt it was a bit harsh after you losing every single one with your ants but also amusingly ironic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 03:06:33 PM
I don't like red/black at all! They were just the best choices. I want blue/white or something.

I've remembered the other bad thing about Lorwyn: planeswalkers. I hate them more than clash.

Clash is just a hassle for a rubbish effect. Planeswalkers actively ruin the game.


Shuffle mountain was funny though. Why is that a card!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=141959&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2013, 04:05:16 PM
arch druid is a better priest of titania, isnt he?

I won’t pick planeswalkers. Although you did Jace me early on in a sealed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on February 21, 2013, 04:13:14 PM
I think i might do some sealed games against you guys but I think I would suck immensly at pre build deck games.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 04:16:05 PM
Priest of titania is cheaper to cast. And hilariously adds mana for enemy elves too. But you could use both I suppose, for maximum elf-based horror.

Sorry about Jace! I won't do that again.


Awesome card that should have been reprinted in Gatecrash:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=157401&type=card)

They reprinted beckon apparation from Lorwyn block, so why didn't they do this!




Quote from: Fandir Nightshade
I think i might do some sealed games against you guys but I think I would suck immensly at pre build deck games.

Yes, come on and play!

We aren't that good at magic anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2013, 04:17:39 PM
I think i might do some sealed games against you guys but I think I would suck immensly at pre build deck games.
Why would you suck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on February 21, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
Because I donīt know any of the cards used right now...are you guys online right now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2013, 04:33:56 PM
Nope.might be on later, but might not. PM me (or steam chat) if you want to play as I’m normally around but not necessarily on the programme. Siby and Rufus aren’t normally around till later, 9-10 gmt.


Use magic spoilers to look at cards. A lot of my decks are ONLY from gatecrash, so you don’t need to look at magic 2013, and innistrad and dark ascension stuff

This spoiler can be arranged via guild
http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/gatecrash/cig

this one is text only, so easier to see.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/gatecrash-spoiler.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on February 21, 2013, 04:51:39 PM
I think I only had installed it on my laptop and need to install it again on desktop I hope it works....and I will be in the tae kwon do class later on but will notify you when I am back...and willing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2013, 04:56:42 PM
I might not be on tonight, or much for this week (brother in law is staying at our house) but I am usually on most evenings.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 04:57:52 PM
I thought maybe we'd driven you away from magic, Fandir! You haven't been on for ages.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on February 21, 2013, 04:58:31 PM
Had it on Laptop while my desktop was....unavailable and have not installed it yet on the desktop but will do so.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2013, 06:39:00 PM
I got this!

but only 3 other elementals
and they are all black and not good, and in general i dont like black

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=152533&type=card)

what's the "normal" number of lands for sealed, 18?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 21, 2013, 07:56:30 PM
18 might be a tad high. I usually go 16 or 17 but then me and rufus had at least one game where we could not get a land out! On the whole though I seem to have been doing good in our sealeds and that has been 2 colour 16 lands. *shrug*
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 08:45:05 PM
Yes, 16 land is the law. 40% of the cards!


As for the giant elemental thing, don't forget changelings count as all creature types, so if you get some of them it might be useable.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on February 21, 2013, 08:56:16 PM
Damn I forgot...EVERYTHING
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 21, 2013, 09:39:20 PM
Saw you leaving as I came back upstairs Fandir!

Good to see you back on the program though.


Edit -  I came in and made a deck but I might be too tired to play today so I reckon I'll head out. It can still be used next time!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 11:47:44 PM
Star player:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=140190&type=card)

The mighty bat worm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2013, 11:48:56 PM
bad legendfary elemental art.

good creatures though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2013, 11:51:31 PM
I quite like Guile's art!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2013, 11:53:03 PM
I just dont like its face.

or my one actually.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 22, 2013, 12:54:59 AM
You deleted your post!

It made me laugh, was funny,

Ģ6.50 for the four increasing savagery (more than ideal, but not many auctions), so roughly 25 quiid for three decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 22, 2013, 10:24:20 AM
I suddenly felt bad about it!

So you have all the cards you need now? That's good.

No one seems to like Izzet! It's a bit sad.


What is there in standard that works a bit like impulse or ponder? A blue spell that helps you get the cards you want and is cheap. There doesn't seem to be anything!

I've been using think twice, but it sucks really.

Edit: just did a gatherer search on standard-legal blue instants. What a depressing set of weak counters and bounce spells! No wonder no one likes Izzet. Oh, and there is no impulse equivalent. The closest thing seems to be forbidden alchemy, which I don't like and has black flashback anyway.

 :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 22, 2013, 02:30:45 PM
That's good, I hate counters  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 22, 2013, 02:39:08 PM
Magic has definitely shifted from spells to creatures. I don’t think we’ll ever see anything as good as lightning bolt or counter again.

That said, I thought the muzzy izzet deck I made was decent enough? Teleportal, gutter snips and goblin electromancers are well good.

What’s this for?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366353&type=card)
I got it in my booster
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 22, 2013, 03:12:33 PM
The stage is a bit specialised. You can copy your own dual land... or your opponent's. Um. Probably it's more useful in legacy. There's nothing much worth copying in standard.


Quote
That said, I thought the muzzy izzet deck I made was decent enough? Teleportal, gutter snips and goblin electromancers are well good.

Those cards are good, there just aren't enough other good spells to make the deck great.

I don't mind not having lighting bolt and counterspell (or even mana leak) so much as I miss an impulse-type card.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=26616&type=card)

I want to find the cards I need at instant speed for two mana! Or as a one mana sorcery.

I suppose there's auger of bolas, but he's a creature. I don't really want more creatures in my deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 22, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
Maybe set 3 will have what you need...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 22, 2013, 04:15:34 PM
Hey, maybe it will! I hope so.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 22, 2013, 04:20:34 PM
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/31220121.jpg)

Treefolk deck is going to be way too expensive, even ignoring doran the trees you need are rare.

Boooooo

I wonder if all the lorwyn tribals are expensive? They are absurdly powerful. Maybe the hobbits aren’t too bad because at least they aren’t all so high in CMC you need tricks to cast them. (tutoring for leaf-crowned elder, or that predator enchantment)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 22, 2013, 04:47:00 PM
I'm glad the trees are expensive! I hate that deck so much! Turn 3 doran every single time!

Hobbits are cheap apart from figure of destiny and the 2/2 lifelink first strike one. In fact, the only rare cards in my deck are 3 figures of destiny, 1 augery adept, 1 Birgid hero of somewhere, and 4 tithes. But it usually does well!

Fairies are not only expensive, but no one will ever want to play against them. Ever. Ever.

I don't know about the others. I suspect elves will be expensive too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 22, 2013, 06:59:19 PM
apparently the trees are one of the worst competetive tribals from lorwyn! only Doran makes them ok. I wouldn't use Doran if I bought the deck though, not cool for friendly real games.

FoD's are so good.


I want to make an old style simic deck. It sucks that they really overpriced graft, it isn't a good mechanic at all.

And also an elemental deck to use the exemplar.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 22, 2013, 11:05:54 PM
Any interest in four Revised Volcanic Islands?  They retail at $480.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 22, 2013, 11:20:59 PM
 :icon_eek:

Expensive cards! Cannot afford.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 22, 2013, 11:52:01 PM
Hmmm, Izzet is a lot better if you add telling time, gelectrode, remand, and electrolize.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 23, 2013, 12:07:34 AM
you didnt even use electrolyze!

I think you could make a good simic deck with both, although the mechanics don't work overly well together, and graft is kinda shitty anyway.

I suppose just a simic deck, but add the snake wizard and the flying naturalize would probably be quite good. not faffing around with graft and double season! too slow.



But adding those 4 - or even just two, telling time and electrode, totally transforms muzzy izzet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 23, 2013, 12:26:13 AM
Electolize would have been good if I'd drawn one! I had both flavours of Muzzy Izzet too.

I'm going to make a double Simic deck. Without graft stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 23, 2013, 08:13:36 AM
Any chance any of you will be on any earlier today?

Really wanna use my sealed deck.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 23, 2013, 07:27:30 PM
Probably not!


Should we make EDH/commander decks? Might be interesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 23, 2013, 08:32:58 PM
I quite want to try it. Isn't that sort of what we did before? what are the restrictions?


dear god there are some awful lorwyn cards, and i seemed to get a lot of them!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=153430&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=152704&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 23, 2013, 08:40:03 PM
They are made up for by the ludicrously overpowered ones! But yes, those two are bad.

Not sure what the EDH rules are. I think 99 cards + general. Highlander. Can only use colours the general has. Then there are some other rules.

My general will be.... Niv-Mizzet!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 23, 2013, 08:45:24 PM
Yeh I think you can keep casting your general after he dies or something...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 23, 2013, 09:11:37 PM
Is it my imagination or is this insanely good?

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxssXQQcunhlwkYpRdtqCfBX66HtYjFIEXP9C_SXqRdSvdpMbdcw)

I am imagining a few stupidly big creatures in the deck with a bunch of smaller perhaps card drawing stuff...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 23, 2013, 09:49:45 PM
http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php

99 separate cards!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 23, 2013, 10:07:29 PM
Hmmm, so you have to keep track of damage the commander has caused, as well as your normal life total. Seems a bit annoying. I wonder if it's worth the hassle!


Oh, and that sword does look good. Emrakul!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 23, 2013, 10:10:53 PM
emrakul is banned in edh!

I dont think that seems that annoying, just hot it down in a draft email or something.


No magic for me tomorrow, not having good games. I'll make an EDH deck tomorrow.

Doran is calling me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 23, 2013, 11:05:06 PM
What’s this for?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366353&type=card)
I got it in my booster

That card is sick in EDH/Commander, where there are tons of awesome nonbasic lands running around.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 12:22:35 AM
I've made my EDH deck. It took ages and will be rubbish.


Huh, I've already realised I forgot force of will. It's too hard to remember all the good cards!

Is 40 land too many?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 01:12:18 AM
I guess I may be able to easily adapt those 100 card decks we made before by just picking a general.

Can he be the only legendary card?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 24, 2013, 03:03:47 AM
I guess I may be able to easily adapt those 100 card decks we made before by just picking a general.

Can he be the only legendary card?

Yeah, the only legend requirement is the general.

Is 40 land too many?

40 land is a good number; it's the equivalent to 24 land in a 60-card deck, which is pretty standard.  I tend to go a bit higher than 40, since my EDH decks tend to have a higher mana curve than a normal deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 10:11:36 AM
Just wondered, because I looked at a couple of internet decks and they had about 35 land. I thought that was wrong.

My deck is a mess. I need to start again.


Maybe use this as general:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=79217&type=card)

Random dog with no powers!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 10:28:06 AM
I imagine one colour edh decks are boring?

I already want to play magic again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 10:50:01 AM
They probably are. Random dog is amazing though. He's like the dog in dragon age!


Quote
I already want to play magic again!

That didn't take long!


How do you set the general apart on GCCG? I tried putting him in the sideboard, but then the program said the deck was illegal. Maybe there's a special function for it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 11:13:05 AM
You could use him in your deck without being your general
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 11:45:56 AM
I know, I just thought it would be funny.

But it probably wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 12:36:50 PM
I think one colour could be quite effective...

Rufus maybe you would just have to find your general in your deck when you start, play him but move him over and just move him back whenever you play him. Slight pain but not too unmanagable.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 12:46:31 PM
Fair enough, that would work!

I need to choose which version of Niv-Mizzet is the general, and which is just in the deck. I'm not sure which is most combo-tastic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 01:19:06 PM
Using both sounds very unfluffy!  :x
 :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 01:23:13 PM
One is from the future. Or the past.

Blue stuff can time travel!  :icon_razz:  If it makes you feel better I'm using temporal mastery and time spiral in the deck!


Good grief, you're allowed to use sol ring in EDH decks! It's kind of tempting to just look up all the cards that are banned normally but allowed in EDH, and stick them all in a deck...

Windfall + Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 01:28:15 PM



Good grief, you're allowed to use sol ring in EDH decks! It's kind of tempting to just look up all the cards that are banned normally but allowed in EDH, and stick them all in a deck...
ha! opposite of the idea of EDH.

I'm scared of all the gross combos and old powerful spells. I will struggle deckmaking because I don't know anything older than m12.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 01:29:49 PM
Maybe we should limit which sets are used. Some of the stuff that's allowed is absurd.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 01:31:29 PM
I am gonna decide on themes, search them on gatherer and stick pretty tight to them. The problem will be instants and sorcrries that would be useful but are unspecific as I won't be able to search them the same way.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 01:35:08 PM
My theme is killing you with horrible blue cards from the past!

Good grief, you're allowed to use mana drain!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=201156&type=card)

OK, this is daft.


Timetwister too! Nothing blue is banned except time walk, ancestral recall, gifts ungiven, and tinker.  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 01:41:36 PM
Maybe we should limit which sets are used. Some of the stuff that's allowed is absurd.
but counterbalanced by there only being 1 in your deck, and 100 cards to draw.

I guess tutor cards wil be good in it.

I don't really know what deck type to go for.
I guess my normal playstyle is agro weenies, but I'm not sure how well this will worjk with more health, longers games, and more mana.

I like the idea of fatties, but my fatty decks never work.

hmm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 01:43:36 PM
I think tutors and good blue cards will be balanced by the possibility of being steamrolled by an uber fast white or green deck...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 01:44:50 PM
I'm going to end up with a horrible counter-burn deck that kills you by triggering old Niv-Mizzet's ability when drawing cards.

All the tutor cards are allowed!


I'm not sure I want to play this after all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 02:12:52 PM
I'm going to end up with a horrible counter-burn deck that kills you by triggering old Niv-Mizzet's ability when drawing cards.


yeh, think old muzzy izzet has to be general.

might use this

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175058&type=card)

cheap to cast, then bring in fatties for 5 mana
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 02:23:14 PM
That looks OK. Is it going to be all those annoying alara creatures though? Boooo!

I might limit mine to recent cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 02:25:39 PM
Rufus my internet just died, trying to re onnect now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 02:29:03 PM
It's OK, that game was going badly anyway!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 02:56:06 PM
That looks OK. Is it going to be all those annoying alara creatures though? Boooo!

I might limit mine to recent cards.


Well I'd pick loads of different six mana plus creatures.


Define recent.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 02:59:55 PM
Not sure. I expect I'll just arbitrarily restrict my card choices, then complain about yours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 03:02:30 PM
Think I just got my first ever 3 turn win!

Fencing ace plus three sets of ethereal armor... For a 20 damage double strike. Rediculous!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 03:10:36 PM
My stupid internet is being stupid again!

Sorry Rufus, two somewhat anticlimactic games after a non event half game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 03:14:29 PM
Not sure. I expect I'll just arbitrarily restrict my card choices, then complain about yours.
Innistrad onwards?

Lorwyn onwards?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 03:17:01 PM
I can't get back in properly. Gonna give up for now. Rufus your deck is interesting. It is much more burn than I expected which caught me out in game one.

How long before rancor drifts out of standard?  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
That's a shame!

My deck isn't interesting! It's just a normal red/green aggro deck. I don't like it really.

That fencing ace thing was absurd, but unlikely to happen much. Three ethereal armors at once?  :icon_eek:

I bet rancor won't be in the next core set. But that still means it will be here until october!


Quote
Innistrad onwards?

Lorwyn onwards?

Do what you like!

I've made my edh deck now, and I'm quite pleased with it. I made it standard legal because it was far too tedious to choose the cards otherwise.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 04:04:00 PM
Rancor is cool... But super annoying when its drawn early,

That reed green deck always kills me in about three turns.





But there aren't any blue spells you like!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 04:16:33 PM
I decided not to play blue! I'd either have bad spells or amazing ones.

Is anyone likely to be on soon?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 04:22:21 PM
Yeh, I was scared you would burn him but you had no mana. Never gonna work that well again but it showed you someehat the premise of my deck. Chuck enchantments out and then slap big for the win. It has a lot you never sqw because I kept getting mana screwed. Got some big stall enchantments and whatnot.

Downside is lack if stuff that interacts with enchants in standard right now. Could use mesa enchantress and such... Maybe in the next set!

I may try coming back in an hourish, see if my internet is back!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 04:33:26 PM
I decided not to play blue! I'd either have bad spells or amazing ones.

Is anyone likely to be on soon?
What have you got? I might try and make a bird edh deck!


Can be on around six, but want to make edh. Was only on earlier cos ted was napping, and he's up now.

Also GO SCOTLAND!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 04:38:04 PM
I have soldiers good to go.

I have to check my other old decks to see if they work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 05:48:17 PM
Well, I did have a green/white EDH deck. But the program just crashed, and when I restarted it the deck was gone.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 06:12:20 PM
Disaster!

Did you Make it on a deck builder ?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 06:32:00 PM
No, did it straight onto GCCG. So it's gone. Oh well.

Played my Niv-Mizzet deck instead. Brainstorm copied 6 times with djin illuminatus, with original niv-mizzet in play. 21 damage.  ::heretic::

Lame!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 06:45:50 PM
requires quite a lot of mana and luck/tutoring to get those though!

Although I think original muzzy izzet will be nasty with the "deal 21 damage" stuff
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
I used Maze of Ith to stall the game. Copied! With thespian's stage actually. Then with vesuvia in game two.

Not playing that deck again!

Original muzzy izzet is a much better general than the new version.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 07:03:15 PM
Tis a touch depressing when you know from turn 3 that only some kind of miracle will mean you can win. But we have all been on both sides. Niv is a really good commander though. Sean Connery couldn't do anything!

Maybe some legendary angel would be better... I will have a look...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 07:07:07 PM
Poor Sean Connery! Mazed.

My green/white deck had Heron Woman as the general. The hexproof one. She'd be hard to get rid of.

You could use Avacyn, though she does cost about a million mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 07:11:09 PM
Yup avacyn would do it. I think getting to 8 mana is a fair potential. Then pump out invincible soldiers and gradually overwhelm...

It would at least give me a chance in that match up as your burn could only hit me ao if I got some lifelink out, would be nifty.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 08:20:15 PM
I made a deck!

should be around most of the evening now. PM me if I'm not answering on the programme


(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg88/nottsfootballfan/bestsimicever.png)

best simic ever!

huggge drakewing krasis, simic manipulator and master biomancer
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
 :icon_eek:

How did you manage that? Just savagery on the biomancer?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 24, 2013, 10:20:57 PM
Maybe use this as general:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=79217&type=card)

Random dog with no powers!

I'm just finishing building my Isamaru EDH deck, actually.  The idea is to cast him early, put a cheap equipment or buff on him (like Crusade and its variants) and do 21 general damage to someone really quickly.  It's tuned to my metagame, where we usually play "star EDH", where you have to kill the 2 people across from you, rather than it being a big free-for-all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 10:41:00 PM
I only want the dog if he does nothing useful!

I can't believe moat is allowed. Moat! This format is stupid.



However, I think I overreacted to the moat.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 24, 2013, 10:56:28 PM
I remember now, we put a limit on numbers of rares and mythics in edh didn't we before. I wonder if my decks reflect that or if it was after.

I must admit, I like the idea of less/no rares, except I don't know how that would work with the commanders. *shrug*



How about, in an attempt to get some games with less craziness, we make some normal, 60 card pauper decks (common only). I don't even care if we expand it back to use any sets people want to build them as with it being commons, they should be not too bad. Maybe we could try building a few decks and see if it works or if it sucks. I've always wanted to try it though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 11:11:59 PM
How about, in an attempt to get some games with less craziness, we make some normal, 60 card pauper decks (common only).

Could do! OK.

Lightning bolt. Brainstorm. Counterspell. Impulse. Yes, I'm happy with commons.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 24, 2013, 11:24:06 PM
I only want the dog if he does nothing useful!

I can't believe moat is allowed. Moat! This format is stupid.



However, I think I overreacted to the moat.
Moat has been allowed in every format for ever! same level of bannedness as anything

I remember now, we put a limit on numbers of rares and mythics in edh didn't we before. I wonder if my decks reflect that or if it was after.

I must admit, I like the idea of less/no rares, except I don't know how that would work with the commanders. *shrug*
that was when we were doing 60 card decks.
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How about, in an attempt to get some games with less craziness, we make some normal, 60 card pauper decks (common only). I don't even care if we expand it back to use any sets people want to build them as with it being commons, they should be not too bad. Maybe we could try building a few decks and see if it works or if it sucks. I've always wanted to try it though.
could tryt that. need to be clear on what sets we are using.




I think the main problem is we play too much, vs the same people. Even with 5 or so decks and sealed, there isn't enough deck variation.

Lorwyn probably isn't good for sealed because it's so wacky.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 24, 2013, 11:32:18 PM
I just wasn't expecting moat. My fault for playing a standard-legal deck!


there isn't enough deck variation.

But we change decks all the time. If you played other people there would probably be less variation, since a lot of them will be playing whatever boring thing is popular at tournaments at the moment.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 25, 2013, 10:58:50 AM
Kamigamiwawa block constructed! Maybe?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 25, 2013, 11:17:16 AM
I did that once with noibn.

It was fun. I will make a kami one ready.

For pauper, how about extended as a set limit?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 25, 2013, 11:27:51 AM
I just wasn't expecting moat. My fault for playing a standard-legal deck!
I can't believe how expensive it is.

there isn't enough deck variation.
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But we change decks all the time. If you played other people there would probably be less variation, since a lot of them will be playing whatever boring thing is popular at tournaments at the moment.

That’s true for other people using the same 5 decks! But we don’t have that mnuch variation. I tend to use mostly simic, sometimes gruul and boros- legacy birds or sealed. Boros is kinda boring and gruul needs finetuning. I guess because I lost all my other decks

I was going to suggest kamihamiha because our sealed games went quite nicely. It sucks for use in legacy or whatever, but seemed reasonably balanced and not too crazy?

Although I think you can do weird artefact stuff with a dragon. And there is that nasty red samurai dude who gives double attack phases. Although I can’t find this, so maybe he isn’t kamihamiha


What about either no mythic rares, or no legendaries?


Or a “real life” deck. Like how I bought 3 decks for 20 quid by not getting dual lands or expensive rares.

Or no extra restrictions and just play less/more varied decks.



extended is scary! dodgy artefacts! dodgy eldrazi!

although I guess the worst ones will not be common
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 25, 2013, 12:36:25 PM
But extended means including the scars of mirrodin block, which I am allergic to. The very sight of a mirrodin card makes me angry! So it would just be standard plus some stuff that makes me not want to play.  :icon_sad:  We could limit it to modern and also ban anything mirrodinish! Then it would include interesting sets like old ravnica and time spiral.


Kamigamiwawa constructed will be good, I think. Just don't look up the good cards! Oh, and no sensei's divining top. Life is too short to watch someone piss about with that thing every turn.

Maybe no Umawhatsit's Jitte either, or everyone will have it. And then say 'oh, I had no idea this was good!'  :icon_razz:


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But we don’t have that mnuch variation. I tend to use mostly simic, sometimes gruul and boros- legacy birds or sealed. Boros is kinda boring and gruul needs finetuning. I guess because I lost all my other decks

I have way more decks than that! So does Siby.



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What about either no mythic rares, or no legendaries?

They aren't always good though. And they can be fun. Epic experiment is fun even though it's been useful about twice out of all the times I've cast it.


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Or a “real life” deck. Like how I bought 3 decks for 20 quid by not getting dual lands or expensive rares.

My Izzet deck is my actual one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 25, 2013, 12:55:21 PM
How can a competitive deck NOT have dual lands?  It isn't like they are hard to get or expensive currently.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 25, 2013, 12:59:28 PM
Well, they’re roughly 10 pounds each, so Ģ80 for the 8 dual lands. Pretty expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 25, 2013, 01:00:57 PM
Hmmm, I'm having second thoughts about kamigamiwawa. What a lot of bad cards!

And everything is legendary.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 25, 2013, 01:20:34 PM
But extended means including the scars of mirrodin block, which I am allergic to. The very sight of a mirrodin card makes me angry! So it would just be standard plus some stuff that makes me not want to play.  :icon_sad:  We could limit it to modern and also ban anything mirrodinish! Then it would include interesting sets like old ravnica and time spiral.
are even the commons in those sets bad though?
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Kamigamiwawa constructed will be good, I think. Just don't look up the good cards! Oh, and no sensei's divining top. Life is too short to watch someone piss about with that thing every turn.

Maybe no Umawhatsit's Jitte either, or everyone will have it. And then say 'oh, I had no idea this was good!'  :icon_razz:
ok

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But we don’t have that mnuch variation. I tend to use mostly simic, sometimes gruul and boros- legacy birds or sealed. Boros is kinda boring and gruul needs finetuning. I guess because I lost all my other decks
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I have way more decks than that! So does Siby.
humans, ghosts and vampires. which I've played loads. Probably more! but I do feel like we have done a lot of the matchups a lot.


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What about either no mythic rares, or no legendaries?
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They aren't always good though. And they can be fun. Epic experiment is fun even though it's been useful about twice out of all the times I've cast it.
agreed. but then you get really good commons and uncommons too. It's hard to add restrictions really, not sure I like doing it.

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Or a “real life” deck. Like how I bought 3 decks for 20 quid by not getting dual lands or expensive rares.
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My Izzet deck is my actual one.

I'll make my three real decks then! but they'll lose to anything that isn't, probably.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 25, 2013, 01:38:27 PM
I don't hate scars of mirrodin for its power level. I just hate the theme and all the art! Oh, and the infect rule. I was really happy when it rotated out of standard, because it meant I wouldn't have to look at any more poisonous robot zombie priests. I bet I've said this loads of times on this thread already. But I hate it!  ::heretic::

Innistrad and Ravnica are great theme-wise.


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It's hard to add restrictions really, not sure I like doing it.

It is. We had this problem before, I think!


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I'll make my three real decks then! but they'll lose to anything that isn't, probably.

Ha, I'll do the rest of mine then! I actually do have some dual lands though.



Right, I made a kamigawawawawawa constructed deck!

And a pauper deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 25, 2013, 05:10:50 PM
Well, they’re roughly 10 pounds each, so Ģ80 for the 8 dual lands. Pretty expensive.

Oh, were you not counting the Magic Core 2013 lands?  Like Rootbound Crag and stuff?  Or the Guild Gates?  Those fall under dual lands to me.  To be honest, the Crags and those type of duals are better than shock lands in most cases.

As for the shock lands, even at $10, they are between 50% and 33% cheaper than they were in the last Ravnica Block and will remain really good long term investments.

For the original dual lands, I am offloading some of mine now because they are selling at such a high rate.  Those Volcanic ISlands are $119 and the Underground Seas are around $130.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 25, 2013, 05:22:54 PM
Enemy-colour tappy lands are more expensive than the core set ones, because they've only been printed once (in Innistrad). Guild gates are slow!

Anyway, we can use as many of those lands as we like on GCCG because it's free. But there's no point buying a load of expensive land for real life decks just to play some casual games. I have no desire to go to a magic tournament (not interested in seeing a million Boris Reckoners).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 25, 2013, 06:42:55 PM
Yes, the oppositional colors like b/w or r/u are more (I bought 4 of the b/w ones and they were about the same as the Godless Shrines).  I wouldn't invest in them.  I meant the shock lands.  Shock lands are a bargain.

But as far as the guild gates, they are better than nothing.  If I wasn't running the Innistad lands, I would run at least a couple guild gates or splash in another color and run the shock lands for them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 25, 2013, 06:46:05 PM
the shock lands are the most expensive ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 25, 2013, 06:57:00 PM
Yeah, but they are only $9 - $13.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 25, 2013, 07:05:32 PM
Ģ10 actually.

so, 40 for 4. I have three decks. Ģ120.





orrrrrr I bought three decks for Ģ20.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 25, 2013, 07:12:01 PM
Right, but I was saying that if you were talking about competitive decks then dual lands are a must!  If you aren't looking to play competitive, then not using those lands is fine.  The guild gates are a fine alternative.

I picked up all of the shock land combinations for around $200.

If you buy from American card shops it will be much cheaper wouldn't it? I mean, they are only $10, which is like 7 pounds right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 25, 2013, 07:21:27 PM
Right, but I was saying that if you were talking about competitive decks then dual lands are a must! 

but no one said that wasn't the case?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 25, 2013, 07:27:01 PM
Well you can get a thousand cards for like $15.  Saying you can get 3 decks for 20 is fine, but doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.  I was saying a half way decent deck is still going to require some higher dollar cards and some for of dual land.  Stuff like the core lands or the guild gates work fine for that really, though you can't get the oppositional lands without dipping into Innstad and I doubt they will run those in the next core block, making them a bad investment.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 25, 2013, 07:30:04 PM
doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. 

I think you just summed up a) competetive magic and b)spending hundreds of pounds on cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 25, 2013, 07:34:38 PM
True enough.

I guess when I read dual lands I assumed you meant all dual colored lands.  To say they are all expensive isn't true.

Likewise, I am not a fan of dumping huge amounts on cards.  I am in the process of offloading my high dollar cards that I have had for years.  Unlike Warhammer, as soon as most cycle out of standard, their value vanishes.  Look at Pithing Needle.  When the Jitte were out in Kamigawa, the Pithing Needle was worth around $15.  I stayed there all through until Kamigawa rotated out of standard.  Now it is $.45!

At least with Warhammer models, you can pretty safely assume you can recoup 50% of whatever the current retail value on models are.  If you hold them for 5 years or so you can almost get your money back with the rate GW raises prices!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 25, 2013, 08:54:23 PM
Maybe the tappy lands won't appear in the next core set. They've been in for four straight years now, so they might be replaced (with nasty robot lands from mirrodin?). Either that or maybe all ten will be in (the innistrad ones too). It's been done before with the painlands.

They should print some decent non-basic land destruction to mess up all the three-colour decks. But I suppose that would be bad for business.


The most expensive shockland at the moment, by the way, seems to be the red/green one. Blame flinthoof boar!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 25, 2013, 09:02:18 PM
I don't know how much I dig kami. It seems just as crazy and random as lorwyn, only with even odder rules and a sucky theme. I realised it wad old ravnica I had done with noibn now.

But I will give kami a chance. I made a sealed deck earlier. It was hard because everything has so many long winded rules to read through. Nothing seemed to just be normal.

I like the middle earth-ish feel of lorwyn. If it seems too random we could always go back sometime and split them into the two halves, doing say lor and it's mini block 3 of each. Should bring a little more cohesion.


In terms of pauper I say we just make them from whatever we feel like. I have mostly made a white 'animal' (no birds) theme deck so far. This may sound strange but I was enjoying that I would find something and think oh that will be amazing in here only to find it was uncommon or rare. I like that it kills a bunch of usual 'auto' takes or powerful force multipliers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 25, 2013, 11:03:21 PM
I don't know how much I dig kami. It seems just as crazy and random as lorwyn, only with even odder rules and a sucky theme. I realised it wad old ravnica I had done with noibn now.

But I will give kami a chance. I made a sealed deck earlier. It was hard because everything has so many long winded rules to read through. Nothing seemed to just be normal.

I like the middle earth-ish feel of lorwyn. If it seems too random we could always go back sometime and split them into the two halves, doing say lor and it's mini block 3 of each. Should bring a little more cohesion.


In terms of pauper I say we just make them from whatever we feel like. I have mostly made a white 'animal' (no birds) theme deck so far. This may sound strange but I was enjoying that I would find something and think oh that will be amazing in here only to find it was uncommon or rare. I like that it kills a bunch of usual 'auto' takes or powerful force multipliers.

I really like lorwyn, but the tribes are too powerful for constructed play.
Did you ever play my doran deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 26, 2013, 12:06:23 AM
I dunno, don't remember.

I like lorwyn for sealed. Constructed I haven't really used it apart from one fairie deck that got beat a bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 12:11:04 AM
Doran is evil. I want to hit him with that spell that switches power and toughness, so that he dies. That'd show him!

EDH is a bit boring. On and on and on!


Oh, it broke again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 12:17:04 AM
I quite liked that game. I thought I'd lost when you got the hydra.

I still don't know who'd have won.

definitely need reliquary tower!

I'll probably never get savagery and biomancer again now
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 12:21:49 AM
Maybe drawing all those cards crashed it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 12:33:28 AM
Think it's my internet actually
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 26, 2013, 12:34:50 AM
I am going to make loads of pauper decks. You can do all sorts of tribal stuff without it being totally broken amd whatnot.

Spiders is up next. Maybe my wurm deck will even be better in pauper!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 12:54:32 AM
Eat are you guys playing this on?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 26, 2013, 01:09:07 AM
Gccg. If you search gccg mtg.you should find it. Totally free!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 01:19:43 PM
remember to add the mtg or you get some funny google results.



Goblin grenade is pauper legal! fallen empire common. yee haw
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 01:32:09 PM
My Simic pauper deck was really good at pondering/owling/snaking its way through the cards. But not so good at actually doing anything!


Goblin grenade is pauper legal! fallen empire common. yee haw

Uh oh, it's 'find all the power cards' time already! Poor Siby and his rubbish wurms.

Dark ritual. Hymn to tourach. Boom!

The other idea I had involves all those blue cards that untap your lands when you cast them. And high tide!

Hmmm, was strip mine common? No. Damnit. Oh, the urza lands were though. Interesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 01:41:06 PM
My Simic pauper deck was really good at pondering/owling/snaking its way through the cards. But not so good at actually doing anything!


Goblin grenade is pauper legal! fallen empire common. yee haw

Uh oh, it's 'find all the power cards' time already! Poor Siby and his rubbish wurms.

no! I used goblin grenade before.

apparently it's not legal though (nor is hymn to tourach) because pauper legal is what was released on magic online, and fallen empires never was.

god knows how we check that though.
Don't be hatin' on goblin grenade!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 01:45:00 PM
Grenade is uber powerful! You can't deny it!

Dunno if we should base what is allowed on their computer game. Surely anything that was ever common is fine?

I suppose we can see what GCCG allows in a pauper game. That would probably be best.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
could go anything that was ever common

or
search it on gatherer, if it was most recently common

or
if it was printed as a common more than other raritys.



I don't think gccg has pauper as a legality thing does it?

grenade is good, but the goblin deck as a whole will lose if the game is any sort of long
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 02:35:21 PM
I don't think gccg has pauper as a legality thing does it?

It does actually! Hmmm, it seems to work purely off card rarity. So you can have a 5th edition counterspell (common) but not a 4th edition one (uncommon). Hymn to tourach and goblin grenade are both allowed, so long as you pick a common printing.

It does use the banned list from gatherer though: frantic search isn't allowed. Oh, wait: it does allow grapeshot, which should be banned according to gatherer. No one's going to do a storm deck though, are they? I doubt it. Banning frantic search is fair enough, since it generates way too much mana combined with high tide. It's like a blue dark ritual with bonus card-cycling.


Shall we just use the GCCG rules then? It's the easiest way to check! Also, it's kind of boring to limit things to recent sets.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 02:36:45 PM
Hell no!  Goblin decks are the best!  Even at lower levels, the goblin decks can be very effective.

My tournament level deck is a goblin deck and it absolutely rocks ass!  I have beaten decks with the power 9!

4 Goblin War Chiefs
4 Goblin Pile Drivers
4 Goblin Matrons
1 Goblin Recruiter
4 Goblin Ring Leaders
4 Goblin Lackeys
3 Goblin Sharpshooters
3 Skirk Prospectors
4 Lightning Bolts
2 Gempalm incinerators
2 Siege Gang Commanders
4 Foodchains

4 Tiaga
4 Stomping Grounds
4 Rootbound Crag
4 Blood Stained mire
5 Mountains

The deck is like a turn 6 bomb.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
We were talking about pauper, Phil. Commons only!

Also we are trying to avoid overpowered decks. We've had enough of that. It's no fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 02:42:28 PM
That's what mean though, if you are using commons from all sets, look at the goblins from the onslaught block.  Coming them with a few from core and it is awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 02:45:15 PM
I don't think I've ever looked at the onslaught block, actually! It's a total mystery to me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 26, 2013, 02:55:34 PM
I think maybe some decks might be better than others. I can see burn decks being nasty with all the instant bolt variations through the years, but I think that is where our 'nice' filter has to kick in. If something seems too evil, it probably is.

But hey we can try stuff and if after a few encounters with other decks it seems silly, not use it. Rufus's deck felt a bit effective to me but even with a bunch of random white animals, I cut it close and was in it a long time.

On the whole it seems to erase the most OP cards though. Zombies without their cheap uncommon +1+1ers may still be good, but probably won't have you dead in 5 turns like they can do... And most of the tribals should suffer similarly which is cool!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 03:01:11 PM
I don't think I've ever looked at the onslaught block, actually! It's a total mystery to me.

Second best block ever after Ravnica.

Any creature type deck will thrive on that block.

The Goblin Piledriver is the best ever.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 03:04:03 PM
Really Phil? I'll have a look then!


Rufus's deck felt a bit effective

...at cycling through the deck! I was wishing I'd put more stuff in there to actually win with. I was relying on flample blob to do all the heavy lifting. And I forgot that mana leak and rune snag would become useless in a really long game. I actually owled away my fourth rune snag because I knew you could cast anything and still pay the 8! I could have just put counterspell in there, but I was trying to be nice! Ha ha.

I should think lots of different types of deck should be viable under pauper rules. Not just aggro swarms.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 03:26:26 PM
I think maybe some decks might be better than others. I can see burn decks being nasty with all the instant bolt variations through the years, but I think that is where our 'nice' filter has to kick in. If something seems too evil, it probably is.

But hey we can try stuff and if after a few encounters with other decks it seems silly, not use it. Rufus's deck felt a bit effective to me but even with a bunch of random white animals, I cut it close and was in it a long time.

On the whole it seems to erase the most OP cards though. Zombies without their cheap uncommon +1+1ers may still be good, but probably won't have you dead in 5 turns like they can do... And most of the tribals should suffer similarly which is cool!
Agreed. Goblins seem good, but without krenko, adaptive automaton and goblin chieftain they shouldn’t be too bad.
If they are I wont use them!



I like that it gives the card variety of  legacy hopefully without the “wtf!” stuff. And using old cards powers up spells instead of just creatures

Although I did see a horrible deck online which wins on turn 2 sometimes and turn 3 quite consistently.
No!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 03:32:46 PM
Wait, I thought you were just using commons.  If you can make a good deck with commons, you won't use it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 03:41:52 PM
What was the horrible deck! I want to know.

My decks might be horrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 03:55:37 PM
Oh, it was modern not pauper.
Getting my mtg brain muddled.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/rc/236
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 03:58:35 PM
I looked at that today! I was going to make it.  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 04:16:08 PM
It’s quite creatively made.
But a bit boring to play against and probably with, surely?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 05:07:06 PM
It probably wouldn't be any fun, no. It's nice to see that creature actually being useful though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 05:10:13 PM
That Jace deck I posted last week is pretty garbage to play against but pretty seriously effective too.

There is certainly a balance that needs to be struck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 05:13:44 PM
We never use planeswalkers. They're ridiculous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 05:22:28 PM
I dunno, it isn't like they are overpowered.  Not hard to kill off.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 05:28:56 PM
They dominate the game, and are stupid and unfun! Worst thing ever to happen to magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 26, 2013, 06:29:58 PM
The thing that horrifies me with planeswalkers is when someone has 3 or 4 of them out. The other thing is their 'i win' last abilities.

Philly to give you some idea where we are at, we play for good games. Not to say that we try tp make bad decks on purpose. More that if one of us creates a deck that depresses the other players with it's almost always winning in a non fun way, we usually drop it pretty fast.

That's why I think we keep changing up formats and sets, to try different things. We all have our cards that we rely on too much and the other guys soon ger fed up of it. I know with me it tends to be walls or stall enchantments that I lean on too much.

This is where pauper comes in. It looks so far like it might take away a lot of the win big cards and lean on cards. There are so many cards we never use because they are 'not good' and that is a pity. I hope to see more of those playing pauper. It is not the solution to everything but it means we won't just see the same old crutches every time we play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 06:46:39 PM
Expanded card pool for variety without the horrendous stuff
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 07:03:32 PM
That is cool, but it seems strange to then disregard a commons deck if you happen to make one that is pretty good.  Why not expect others
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 26, 2013, 08:56:18 PM
Yeh we only just started making common decks this week so it may be that no one makes one that is that bad. It's just what we have found in all the other formats barring I guess sealed. I really hope that pauper will even things out. And if sometimes people don't have an answer for things, it is the risk they take being 'too' specialised, which is their own fault (I often forget kill spells which can ruin you if they get the right thing out).

Just made a vedalken deck! First time I have ever considered that.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 10:21:07 PM
Just made a vedalken deck!

I don't even know what those are!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 10:22:57 PM
Mirrodin sea wizards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 26, 2013, 10:38:09 PM
They are a bit like viashino in that they often pop up in small numbers. Think there are one or two floating around in standard even now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 10:40:32 PM
Mirrodin is a dirty word.  :icon_razz:

If it's not an isochron sceptre I'm not interested.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 10:44:52 PM
There is at least one Veldkain in Return to Ravnica.  He sucks though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 10:52:56 PM
Are they the stupid looking blue people? I think I ignore them automatically!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 26, 2013, 11:15:49 PM
high tide is gay!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 11:17:32 PM
It's the best thing ever!

I love blue.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 26, 2013, 11:28:31 PM
Vedalkens are blue.

(And black and white).

I can't really say I like or dislike them. I just like playing with something different. May be more likely to get on tomorrow...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 11:32:37 PM
Should be good! Bring on the weird blue people.


Hmmm, I got overexcited by the prospect of a first turn dark ritual/sinkhole/duress and ignored the fact that I wouldn't be able to do anything else afterwards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 26, 2013, 11:37:29 PM
I have an artifact affinity deck with some veldkan.  They are kind of neat.  I like their fluff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2013, 11:39:28 PM
Wasn't affinity the broken mechanic that broke the game with its brokenness? The reason all the artifact lands are banned?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 27, 2013, 12:02:06 AM
pauper is cool
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 27, 2013, 12:03:29 AM
Yes, I liked it!

I'll make new decks for next time!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 27, 2013, 12:48:45 AM
Wasn't affinity the broken mechanic that broke the game with its brokenness? The reason all the artifact lands are banned?

Not really.  Affinity was kind of cool, but the act itself wasn't over powered.  Artifact lands are banned because of the combos when you pull Mirridon out of standard and open everything up.  During the block the Ravager, skull clamp, and cranial plating were the game winning combos.  That and maybe loxodon warhammer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 27, 2013, 02:13:50 AM
Wasn't affinity the broken mechanic that broke the game with its brokenness? The reason all the artifact lands are banned?

Not really.  Affinity was kind of cool, but the act itself wasn't over powered.  Artifact lands are banned because of the combos when you pull Mirridon out of standard and open everything up.  During the block the Ravager, skull clamp, and cranial plating were the game winning combos.  That and maybe loxodon warhammer.

Yeah, the affinity mechanic itself wasn't the problem.  I played in the Onslaught block + Mirroden regional championships and placed 19th.  Affinity decks were strong, but only a small part of the metagame.  Ravager Affinity, however, was stupid.  Ravager, Skullclamp, Disciple of the Vault, and artifact lands were the engine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 27, 2013, 08:48:31 AM
I am glad you guys are enjoyinf pauper so far, sounds promissing!

What kinda decks have you got so far?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 27, 2013, 09:10:42 AM
I had goblins,

Rufus had counter/delver, burn,  white weenie and elf ramp.

Didn't really get to see black because he only drew tw o lands.

In gonna make more today!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 27, 2013, 09:23:40 AM
I'm going to make two-colour decks next!

I think the blue deck was a step too far. Much as I enjoy delver, high tide and capsize!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 27, 2013, 09:58:47 AM
I think if I had more burn to get through the delvers I might have won.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 27, 2013, 11:18:29 AM
Sometimes it takes one game to work out what he real threat of a deck is. Had I known about rufus's flying blobs, in the next game I would have focused any and all kill on them, which may have evened things out slightly. I haven't been able to find any big white animals yet sadly. Would like to slip a couple in. I don't want to take 'beasts' or 'birds' in that deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 27, 2013, 11:23:43 AM
I think I'll only play my decks once so you'll never know what will happen next!  :icon_razz:

Though if I'm playing blue you can probably expect impulse/ponder/brainstorm no matter what.



I made four new pauper decks. Three of them contain impulse. Hmmm.

I was going to make another EDH deck, but it feels too much like work. Zur will have to wait.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 27, 2013, 05:48:46 PM
Impulse and ponder, it's like you are trying to make us fall asleep!  :-P

Made a viashino deck too! I love making theme decks!! Even though they usually are not great. But they are pretty and that is all that matters!

I am trying to do obscure things right now as you can tell. Might hit kors again. Love those guys!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 28, 2013, 12:31:43 AM
Wurmcalling is rare.... Disaster!

I will make it pure wurms anyway and it can lose epically without putting a creature down.  :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
I admire your dedication to your theme!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 28, 2013, 12:40:28 AM
Thanks!

I will of course also not have access to all the wurms that are 'ok'. So expect lots of

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=189903&type=card)

and

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=6617&type=card)
(thought I love it's flavour text  8-))

and I don't even know how to make this viable!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4518&type=card)


This is going to take some seriously good manaramping/good enchantments... and some miracles...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 28, 2013, 12:47:35 AM
Hav you looked into including the fallow worm?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 12:49:30 AM
Fallow wurm is uncommon! Thwarted.

Rogue elephant works... but is an elephant.


Hey, 21 different common wurms according to gatherer!


I like how yavimaya wurm is just craw wurm with free trample.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 28, 2013, 01:01:49 AM
There are plenty yes, but many of them are much the same and I kinda wanted to keep it pure green... I could splash red though. Throw in some burn to keep people away till I can wurm it up... Doesn't seem very wurmy though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 28, 2013, 01:05:45 AM
Fallow worm is uncommon?  NOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 01:08:31 AM
Just wurms and stuff like rampant growth to get the land out there then?

Artifacts to get more mana? Gruul Signet?


There's a 1/1 blue wurm on the list! Surely worth adding blue just for that! Or not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 28, 2013, 01:15:44 AM
You really are a lunatic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on February 28, 2013, 02:29:18 AM
Rogue elephant works... but is an elephant.

Back in the day, Rogue Elephant into Harvest Wurm was sick.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 09:38:06 AM
My friend used to do it every game!


Hmmm, Sorin vs Tybalt dual deck set:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1179

Lamewalkers aside, I wonder if the decks will be interesting? Izzet vs Golgari was excellent.


I'm guessing they chose Tybalt because he's essentially worthless on the secondary market! Sorin is expensive though.

Mono-red is quite boring, and they already did one in Venser vs. Koth!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 28, 2013, 01:59:11 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96841&type=card)

worst ability... ever?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4253&type=card)
best art ever!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 02:25:04 PM
I'm sure there must be far worse! A 1/1 with vigilance (and two useful creature types) for 1 isn't awful, so the ability is just a bonus. But that's an expensive ability, certainly!

The fluff text is a bit over the top.

"What do you do, guild-rat, now that you face my blade alone?"

Kill you, because you are just a 1/1.


On the subject of worsts, I challenge anyone to find a worse burn spell than this. Instant speed 3 damage plus a card draw? Great, 4 mana maybe? Possibly 5? No, 7.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=29862&type=card)

7 mana!

7!


edit: cloud pirates are funny!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 02:33:00 PM
Pirates are an underused creature type, in fact. Just 17 on gatherer.


What on earth was going on in portal second age?

Steam ship
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=6526&type=card)

Jet bike?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=6522&type=card)

Also, he's gone from merchant to human pirate scout.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 28, 2013, 02:36:17 PM
Remember, Portal was meant to be the children's gateway into Magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 02:39:52 PM
Sure, but steam ships? Odd. That's a lovely picture of a steam ship however!


In other news, bearscape!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=30747&type=card)

It turns your graveyard into bears. Why? Who cares! Want!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 28, 2013, 02:43:53 PM
Yeh, it's not a bad card, just a shit ability! which makes it look like it's a shit card.

using cloud pirates in a deck I just made.
I made 2 which are slightly less straightforward in plan i hope

That steam ship is awesome. Want to use it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 28, 2013, 02:44:30 PM
LOL I have 4 bearscapes!

So much fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 02:57:49 PM
Speading seas to allow the steam ship to attack. Does GCCG have portal cards? Not sure.


Quote
using cloud pirates in a deck I just made.

I look forward to playing your latest aggro deck! Ha ha.



Bearscape is so awesome that I might have to buy the actual card. It's really cheap!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 28, 2013, 03:03:20 PM
There is another card, from lorwyn, which turned a land into an island. I think it also gave another kind of malus to the person who has the land.

I’ve gone for one enchantment focused aggro, and one orzhov style slow life loss through enchantments and abilities. Stab wound is common! 1000 lashes isn’t  maybe the artefact whip is. There are quite a lot of cards for this deck though, other stuff to add.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 03:06:15 PM
Have you stolen my creepy whipping theme!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 28, 2013, 03:10:31 PM
Nope, there is no whipping in my deck. Stab wound, other life sapping enchantments, and extort!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 04:12:10 PM
Well, it needs some then!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366405&type=card)


I bet you have this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96882&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on February 28, 2013, 04:13:54 PM
Orhzov is my favorite concept or guild ever in Magic.  Such a neat idea with cool things going on.  I like how it is so Lawful Evil.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 28, 2013, 05:23:30 PM
That enchantment deck will be pretty nifty vs some things but I imagine totally uselss against a pure burn deck!

I am toying with an alternative elfish deck which as yet has no climax. So many of the good stopmy creatures are rare.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 10:17:09 PM
I made two new decks. I'm hoping to play someone!


Quote
So many of the good stopmy creatures are rare.

Wurms of course!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 28, 2013, 10:23:32 PM
I made 2 new decks today including a vampire one. Will they be as good as normal ones? Who knows!

Alas I can't get on at the minute.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 10:30:34 PM
Uh oh, that didn't work!

I wonder what went wrong?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 28, 2013, 10:50:47 PM
I think it crashed on me. Sometimes it does that when I first go in and I have to refresh but I think I went into a game too fast. Then I realised I probably didn't have time for one anyway.  :oops:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 10:53:39 PM
Booo!

I went into the game, but you'd vanished or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 28, 2013, 11:04:10 PM
Yeh I went into the game except I never made it in. It froze.

Sorry about that, really wanted to play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 11:07:00 PM
I'd just read on here that you couldn't play, then you appeared and got my hopes up!  :icon_razz:

Oh well. Next time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2013, 11:49:56 PM
I think my pauper decks need more uncommons in them, like Finlay's deck!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 01, 2013, 08:46:01 AM
Sometimes I find myself thinking how bad the cards are that I am using. But then I remind myself so are everyone else's really. You can't put together some sneak win strategy or a get this card out and you win so much. Which is good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 01, 2013, 10:05:25 AM
My pestilence deck is pretty good, I think!

I wish there were enough dwarfs to make a deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 01, 2013, 10:21:15 AM
My pestilence deck is pretty good, I think!

I wish there were enough dwarfs to make a deck.
Yeh, I definitely think there is enough card choice to make some really good decks. You can almost certainly make a better counter-burn deck than you can in standard.
I also don’t think the card’s I’m choosing are particularly bad… at least they’re not as bad as the worms!

Pestilence deck seems very nasty. You know after I’d said “I need some removal” I realise I was playing black, and the point of your deck was your creatures having protection from black.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 01, 2013, 11:14:27 AM
You just wait, my wurms will rule the world!

What's pestilence?

Surprising that there is a lack of dwarfs, though I admit I can only think of one off hand  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 01, 2013, 11:18:45 AM
What's pestilence?

A common board-sweep spell!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=5619&type=card)

Also I used the rat version:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3612&type=card)

Together with pro-black creatures, and congregate, so I don't plague myself!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=9702&type=card)

Congregate is good in pauper anyway, because most decks will use a lot of small creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 01, 2013, 03:00:56 PM
Oh yeh, I saw that the other day when looking for cards for my vamp deck but obviously overlooked it, what with it killing my own stuff too!

Good news is those cards won't be as effective vs my wurms!   :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 01, 2013, 03:03:20 PM
I expect I won't use that deck again anyway. Onward to new decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 01, 2013, 10:00:27 PM
Anyone going on tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 01, 2013, 11:42:47 PM
Oh pestilence.  I adore you!

God I loved that spell.  It was about my favorite back when we first got into magic in 1994.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 02, 2013, 12:13:54 PM
It's a classic, certainly. And surely due a reprint?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 02, 2013, 12:35:42 PM
When was the last time they printed it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 02, 2013, 12:39:04 PM
Either Urza's saga or 6th edition, so ages ago! 1999 or thereabouts.

Though there was a red copy of it in planar chaos.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 02, 2013, 12:58:00 PM
What is the opinion on here of the Urza block? 

I content that it is the strongest block they ever made in terms of card power.  There have been more powerful cards, but top to bottom, the Urza block featured some serious cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 02, 2013, 02:28:07 PM
is that the one with the lame eldrazi?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 02, 2013, 02:42:40 PM
No, it's the one with an absurd number of absurdly broken cards!

Honestly, who would look at this and think, 'oh, that won't cause problems.'

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=8883&type=card)

And of course, the same block included cheap artifacts, cards that untapped your lands, cards that allowed you to draw loads of cards... turn one wins in standard.

Or, surely turning your ornithopter into any artifact in your deck for three mana is fine?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12383&type=card)

Right? What could go wrong!


Number of Urza block cards still on the legacy ban list = 7! More than any other block other than the original base set.


I actually really like the Urza block, but if I'd played in tournaments I wouldn't have felt the same.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 02, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
No, it's the one with an absurd number of absurdly broken cards!

Honestly, who would look at this and think, 'oh, that won't cause problems.'

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=8883&type=card)

And of course, the same block included cheap artifacts, cards that untapped your lands, cards that allowed you to draw loads of cards... turn one wins in standard.

Or, surely turning your ornithopter into any artifact in your deck for three mana is fine?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12383&type=card)

Right? What could go wrong!


Number of Urza block cards still on the legacy ban list = 7! More than any other block other than the original base set.


I actually really like the Urza block, but if I'd played in tournaments I wouldn't have felt the same.

Urza's block was a disaster, and nearly killed Magic.  Players walked away from the tournament (the major moneymaker for Wizards) in droves, because every game ending in the first two turns is boring, and felt so unfair to casual players.  Losing to a better creature-based deck is one thing, but never getting to play a single card before you die is just stupid.  That's why the next block was total weaksauce...R&D was so terrified of making another Urza's block that they went too far the other way, which also ended up hurting the tournament scene (everyone in the ensuing type 2 and especially block tournaments played rebels).  Luckily, Invasion block was a huge success and put them back on track.  Invasion is when I started playing competatively, and will always be one of my favorite sets (even if it's now pretty weak by modern set standards).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 03, 2013, 12:44:11 AM
Was that the grand Gerard and the Weather Light arc?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 03, 2013, 12:52:21 AM
So trying to find a legend to lead my artifacts. This one seems too mean:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=180607&type=card)


But then this one seems a little underwhelming:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=244664&type=card)


Also another weird and very cheap one that seems pretty amazing:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=108871&type=card)


How mean are you guys being with your generals now? Izzet wouldn't really be much of an issue with that last one would he? Just nab him as soon as he comes into play...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 03, 2013, 01:03:53 AM
Was that the grand Gerard and the Weather Light arc?

Well, that started way back in Mirage/Weatherlight, and continued through the madness of Urza's block and into the lameness of Mercadian Masques/Nemesis/Prophecy, finally wrapping up with a bang in the multicolored awesomeness of Invasion.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 03, 2013, 03:32:54 AM
I loved how hey carried all that through.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 03, 2013, 10:31:11 AM
So trying to find a legend to lead my artifacts. This one seems too mean:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=180607&type=card)


Immediate rage-quit!


The sphynx one is ok if you discard a cheaty expensive artifact first. Inkwell leviathan. Not the giant robot with infect!

The last one is really easy to kill.


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How mean are you guys being with your generals now? Izzet wouldn't really be much of an issue with that last one would he? Just nab him as soon as he comes into play...

I was thinking zur:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=121162&type=card)

Or the ghost council.


Black/blue/white is nice though, because you get demonic, vampiric, mystical and enlightened tutors!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 03, 2013, 12:27:22 PM
This is why I am not sure I like the commander in edh. It seems like the game really revolves around who brings the brokenest one. And you have it sitting right there ready to use and reuse and reuse. I feel like we will constantly be taking it turns to be disgruntled by each other's generals.

At least how we were playing it before you had to hope good cards popped up.

I am curious as to how people who play it in real life have fun.


I know that last one I picked is easy to kill but it is also easy to recast and once you do you can pick an even better creature to hold on to.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 03, 2013, 12:29:36 PM
I am curious as to how people who play it in real life have fun.

I've been wondering that actually!

Maybe we shouldn't play it.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 03, 2013, 04:40:56 PM
I don't mind it per se. Maybe just with no commanders. It is confusing to do on the program and they all seem way too weak or way too strong. Maybe we could try playing with the decks as they are but no commander. I like how the 40 life gives slower decks or when you have a bad start a chance to get back into it. What do you think?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 03, 2013, 05:59:52 PM
What, so 100 card highlander with 40 life then? Could do!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 03, 2013, 07:16:54 PM
I thought the whole point of commander is the massive deck, single copy of each card, and eventually milling down to your commander.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 03, 2013, 07:20:47 PM
My commander is not that beardy I don't think.

I still havent played a game!

1st game rufus moat rage quit
2nd game crashed after I played a 27/27 prime speaker
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 03, 2013, 08:51:12 PM
I am curious as to how people who play it in real life have fun.

I think the fun in EDH is its inconsistancy, making for a highly variable play experience.  With 100-card singleton decks, the same deck plays differently each game.  The commander is the only consistant thing about your deck.  Many generals are pretty broken (my main EDH deck is Avacyn), but generals also tend to die alot.  I have trouble keeping even Avacyn on the table; even though she's indestructible, she can still be exiled or sent to my deck, or I can be made to sacrifice her, or she can be given -8/-8 and die.  My deck revolves around staying alive long enough to build enough protection for me to safely cast her without the combined might of the table killing her before I can untap, no easy feat.  When your general costs 8 mana on the first drop, you don't want to be recasting her too often.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: adso113 on March 04, 2013, 12:41:12 AM
Also, there's the issue of how damn long a game of EDH can take. A group of guys from the game store I work at get together on Monday nights after work (usually at 9 pm). We found ourselves sometimes playing the same game until 3 am. Dumb. Then I built a Grixis draw pain deck that had everyone drawing tons of cards and hurting them for it. It makes games go a lot quicker. I either kill everyone for drawing all those cards, or someone draws into a ridiculous combo and ends the game. I'm usually happy if I deal 20-25 damage to each person over the course of the game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 04, 2013, 02:08:21 AM
We usually play the "star EDH" format: you sit arranged like the Magic colors on the back of the card (works best with 5 players).  The two "enemy" colors are your opponents (so any card that reads "opponents" only affects them, but all global affects like Wrath of God affect the whole table).  You win if both of your opponents are dead.  Note that this means that it's possible for multiple people to win.

It speeds up games because you're motivated to attack only two people from the start, instead of building up until you can alpha strike another player with little risk of counterattack.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: adso113 on March 04, 2013, 02:15:02 AM
Yeah, some of those games were star games. I think it might just have been our group. Of course, we did have a guy who had a Sygg, River Guide deck that could control what five other players could and could not play. It was pretty ridiculous when the other players had to ask him if they could cast every spell. That game took forever.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 04, 2013, 03:04:03 AM
Yeah, some of those games were star games. I think it might just have been our group. Of course, we did have a guy who had a Sygg, River Guide deck that could control what five other players could and could not play. It was pretty ridiculous when the other players had to ask him if they could cast every spell. That game took forever.

In our group, that Sygg guy would get a code red put on him and then we'd continue to have fun.  We already kicked out one guy for playing too dirty.  We just want to have fun and houserule and kick out anything that interferes with that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 11:30:20 AM
I think I want a five color deck with this guy.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=28670&type=card)


But maybe it's too much hassle to choose the cards.



Also, how to remove EDH generals (unless they are untargetable):

Mystical/vampiric tutor + this
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240156&type=card)

No escape to the command zone.

Or use condemn if the general actually attacks you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 04, 2013, 03:54:45 PM
I'm still not sure about thr whole thing.

In theory I love the variety. But weirdly the same old cards seem to pop up and dominate even with the apparent randomness. Having said that, we haven't exactly played lots of games of it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 04:02:49 PM
Having said that, we haven't exactly played lots of games of it!

I think I've played two games that finished (both Muzzy Izzet vs Sean Connory) and two that crashed before the end (Herons vs Simic leader). Oh, and Herons vs mystery bird leader (the moat incident... which was especially ridiculous of me because next turn I could have summoned Herons to fly over the damn moat).

We should try it again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 04, 2013, 04:05:23 PM
As long as you promise not to moan, or say its boring if the game lasts a while!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: Finlay
As long as you promise not to moan, or say its boring if the game lasts a while!

I'm definitely a terrible person to play games with.


Also, wish they'd split the 'spirit' creature type into 'stupid-looking things from kagmigamiwawa' and 'actual ghosts.' And also print a blue/white/black ghost legend.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 04, 2013, 05:46:58 PM
I think they haven't on purpose, just to make sure you can't make a really nasty ghost deck.  :-P

I have 2 or 3 that can do proper edh now so yeh, we can give it another go!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 06:00:33 PM
More ghosts are required!

Orzhov EDH is ready to go.

By the way, I think GCCG can do planechase and archenemy. We could try those sometime. I've done planechase with actual cards and it's quite fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 04, 2013, 06:10:10 PM
I almost wonder whether this would be a better general than sean.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=270445&type=card)

He just dies or does nothing anyways. At least thalia is out turn 2 first striking and slowing spell decks...


This guy would be nasty!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=214352&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 06:41:50 PM
Can't you do a two-colour deck?

I won't play against the second one! I hate that horrible thing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 04, 2013, 07:19:57 PM
I do have a 2 colour deck too. I just love white soldiers for some reason!

Think I might make a 3 colour jungle deck too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 04, 2013, 09:13:06 PM
I totally don't have that guy in my deck.

 ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 04, 2013, 09:31:38 PM
Just made the jungle deck led by Mayael. Seems pretty nasty. But that is playing against someone who isn't there, which makes things run a lot smoother. Will it work in an actual game? Only time can tell...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
Are we trying to make good decks? I thought EDH was supposed to be a casual format!

Grrrr, annoying mismatch! Clearly not a casual format at all. The whole concept is building your deck around some power card that you are guaranteed to get every game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 04, 2013, 10:38:01 PM
Are you guys dueling with EDH decks?  If so, I can understand why you're not having much fun.  Part of the thing with EDH is when someone does something broken (like cast Avacyn with protection), the table looks around and colludes amongst themselves about how to fix the problem.  In a duel, I imagine EDH decks just play like the slow, inconsistant decks they are.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 10:43:52 PM
We are. You're supposed to play multiplayer? Oh.  :icon_confused:

No wonder it's rubbish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 04, 2013, 11:02:13 PM
But you hate multiplayer Rufus!

Did you guys play edh tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
When have I played multiplayer? I don't hate it!

We are playing EDH now. It's not fun.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 04, 2013, 11:09:01 PM
When have I played multiplayer? I don't hate it!

We are playing EDH now. It's not fun.  :icon_sad:

We played a game or two of multiplayer, you said you didn't like it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 11:12:02 PM
I don't think I played those games!

I'm going to delete my EDH decks after this game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 04, 2013, 11:51:23 PM
I am going to delete all records of edh from the earth. Just to be sure.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 11:53:20 PM
I support that action!

Uh oh, GCCG has crashed for me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 04, 2013, 11:54:37 PM
Me too, I think I might take it as a sign and give up!

Though pirates vs minotaurs almost made up for the horrors of edh! Fun stuff!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2013, 11:59:22 PM
Yes, much better! The decider will have to wait for another day.


Oh no! I deleted my EDH decks... but the crash has restored them! Undying!  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 05, 2013, 12:18:55 AM
Haha, yeh I would suggest playing it multiplayer but it would probably take forever on there and the rules would confuse us. Though it would be fun to use those hit all opponent cards.  :-P


I think the two things that even make the minos stand a little chance are the one drop guy who can make them fly and the ping enchantment. Without them everything else is slow 5 drop poorness. But they are fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2013, 11:12:28 AM
Playing EDH reminded me that I really like standard at the moment! Innistrad + Ravnica = best. Sink without a trace, alara/zendikar/mirrodin2!


I wish more of my fish had appeared in that game. I had piranhas, sharks, an octopus, an ugly sea worm with bad art and a Shakespear quote... all sorts of things!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 05, 2013, 12:15:52 PM


I agree on the planeswalkers, but I do use them if I get one in sealed!

I accidentally clicked on page 25 and look what I found! Digusting!   :-P



It's sad that you hate my 2 favourite blocks, but I agree on mirrodin. Not that it will stop me using stuff from it. Though I agree poison is stupid enough for me to refuse to use that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 05, 2013, 12:30:32 PM
Siby, rufus totally Jaced me in one sealed game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 05, 2013, 12:53:12 PM
Jace is awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 05, 2013, 02:23:22 PM
Siby, rufus totally Jaced me in one sealed game!

I knew it! It was all a big sham! He probably plays a mirrodon deck secretly by himself too!


As to planeswalkers, I don't mind them in theory, but for me to like them they would need two changes.

Tone down their power levels. Their top abilities are often 'I win' and even their lower ones are versions of spells that might cast 3 or 4 mana to cast. I am not saying make them useless, just useful without being broken.

Make them 1 of each per deck. It makes no sense to me to have 4 of what is essentially a special character. They just become unspecial then and lose all meaning. Sure they might not comr out every time but that is part of being something different!


As it is, I have played against a number if decks that just rely on having 3 or 4 of them out, replace when necessary until one of their top powers trigger. Bam! Game over.

I think the concept is ok though and most of them have terrific art! I would use them if they weren't so overpowered and prolific.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 05, 2013, 02:26:24 PM
I don't agree that they are broken.  There top level ability generally should be game winning.  It takes work to keep them alive.

They are very easy to kill.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2013, 03:04:21 PM
Siby, rufus totally Jaced me in one sealed game!

Yeh, well you used that stupid cat man on me in another sealed game! So shut up!  :icon_razz:


I won't even use them in sealed now. I don't care if they are broken or not, they are a bad concept and they dominate the game.

The main reason I don't play people I don't know on GCCG is that they might use planeswalkers. I won't take that chance! I'd rather play EDH against some stupid alara deck full of alara cards I've never seen that are all alara-ish.   ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 05, 2013, 03:37:23 PM
I don't agree that they are broken.  There top level ability generally should be game winning.  It takes work to keep them alive.

They are very easy to kill.

Some of them are. If you take the right kind of deck. Some of them pump out tokens or make you discard any chance of killing them or only take a couple of turns to hit their win ability. Jace drives me crazy. Once he is out that player spends about 80% of the game time for their turn while you are stuck waiting to get milled to oblivion or whatever other fate they have planned. Some control is ok, total control is boring.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2013, 03:39:26 PM
Worldwake Jace obviously was broken, since he utterly ruined standard when he was around and eventually had to be banned.

So there.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 05, 2013, 03:51:30 PM
I don't agree that they are broken.  There top level ability generally should be game winning.  It takes work to keep them alive.

They are very easy to kill.

Some of them are. If you take the right kind of deck. Some of them pump out tokens or make you discard any chance of killing them or only take a couple of turns to hit their win ability. Jace drives me crazy. Once he is out that player spends about 80% of the game time for their turn while you are stuck waiting to get milled to oblivion or whatever other fate they have planned. Some control is ok, total control is boring.

Total control is so interesting to me, but at tournaments you end up being stared at by the other players as they wait to start the next turn.  And they hate you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2013, 03:59:34 PM
The game is meant to be fun for both players! There's no point bothering otherwise.

Well, tournaments excepted, probably. But those don't count.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 05, 2013, 04:02:47 PM
But again, half the fun is overcoming a deck.  Just arbitrarily stating whole deck styles are boring isn't fun either.

I have a mirrodin atrifact control deck that beats the hell out of people with creatures, but people would probably call it mostly control.

Just telling people they can only play aggro isn't fair either!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2013, 04:09:05 PM
Just telling people they can only play aggro isn't fair either!

I'm glad I didn't say that then.


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Just arbitrarily stating whole deck styles are boring isn't fun either.

Or that.


I really like counter-burn decks. But I accept that other people don't really want to play against them, so I don't use them much.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 05, 2013, 04:11:34 PM
Why don't people like to play counter burn?
Honestly, if you are looking for only decks that everyone likes to play against you will end up essentially looking at aggro decks.  They spam creatures.  People get lots of attacking and blocking in, and people are slowly beat to death.

Some people aren't going to like certain kinds of decks.  As long as a deck is fair and not taking advantage of some obscure or cruel combo, I don't see what the problem is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2013, 04:26:11 PM
By 'people,' of course, I mean Finlay and Siby! We just play each other all the time.

If someone makes a deck that no one likes playing against, it doesn't get used any more.


Any deck that involves a lot of library-searching is way more painful on the computer than it is in reality. You just sit there, staring at the screen, waiting for something to happen... or possibly go and make a cup of tea and come back later to see if it's your turn yet.

Hating counterspells is pretty common, I think. That's why we're stuck with rubbish like 'cancel' these days! And also why there's no decent blue card draw spell in standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 05, 2013, 04:54:18 PM
Counterspells are lame.
I hate on the programme casting something, then having to wait to see if it is cancelled.

Planeswalkers are wack as hell.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 05, 2013, 05:10:57 PM
By 'people,' of course, I mean Finlay and Siby! We just play each other all the time.

Good point!

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If someone makes a deck that no one likes playing against, it doesn't get used any more.


Any deck that involves a lot of library-searching is way more painful on the computer than it is in reality. You just sit there, staring at the screen, waiting for something to happen... or possibly go and make a cup of tea and come back later to see if it's your turn yet.

Ah, yeah I can see where that can be a pain in the butt.

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Hating counterspells is pretty common, I think. That's why we're stuck with rubbish like 'cancel' these days! And also why there's no decent blue card draw spell in standard.

True  They rarely put a good draw card with a legitimate card advantage in core sets.  And people hate to be coutnered, though I I think like counter spells when they get to drop one!  Counter decks, and most control decks, walk a fine line between trying to set up a win condition and stymieing someone else win condition.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 06, 2013, 12:29:40 AM
While what playstyles make for fun games is a matter of preference, there does seem to be pretty good evidence that some styles ARE more unfun to more people.  For instance:

Counterspells are lame.
I hate on the programme casting something, then having to wait to see if it is cancelled.

Wizards agrees with Finlay and millions of others who feel the same, and thus we have the weak counterspells of today, rather than the insane ones of years past.  Also note the greater attention to making sure combo decks don't dominate.  Basically, Wizards pushes creature decks because they're more interactive and more what they feel their game is supposed to be about -- battling with armies of summoned creatures.  I, for one, am happy that they're guiding the game in such a way...and they must be doing something right, because the game just keep growing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 06, 2013, 07:19:26 AM
I really like counter-burn decks. But I accept that other people don't really want to play against them, so I don't use them much.

I know burn decks, I love to play that type. But what is counter burn?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 06, 2013, 10:46:55 AM
Presumably people don't like land destruction either, since it basically never happens these days.


I know burn decks, I love to play that type. But what is counter burn?

Red/blue counterspells and burn spells.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 06, 2013, 01:44:57 PM
Are you sure Magic is bigger than ever?  Last I knew it had peaked though is still very popular.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 06, 2013, 02:27:18 PM
I think Innistrad was a big success? Someone said that before... probably towishimp actually.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 06, 2013, 02:58:15 PM
I don't mind counter sometimes. I think it is the way it is often coupled with deck searching. You end up feeling like you aren't taking part in the game.

My illusion deck was half counters and half illusions. Worked very nice usually, but horribly fragile.

I often think about making a land killing deck but it is always too expensive.  :x


Made a pauper elephant rhino deck yesterday but had to go to bed before I could test it vs rufus.

My 5 colour deck kinda worked. It is going to be horribly unreliable and it really has no focussed plan, but I am pleased it didn't get thrashed to nothing like I thought it might...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 06, 2013, 03:51:46 PM
I think Innistrad was a big success? Someone said that before... probably towishimp actually.

Whoops just looked at the sales figures.  Yeah the 2011 year was a record breaker for Hasbro!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 06, 2013, 10:08:03 PM
Philly, all your decks should include at least one copy of this card:

http://www.mtgfanatic.com/store/magic/viewcard.aspx?i=mtg-ms-028132

Even if you have no red mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 07, 2013, 12:11:43 AM
Duel Decks Sorin vs Tibalt decklists. Hmmmm.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/237b


Black/white vs... black/red. Too much black! Sorin's deck is quite ghosty though, which I like.

Doesn't look as much fun as Izzet vs Golgari.


Hey, why did these exist? One for each black combination only. Some sort of theme in whichever set it was?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=31757&type=card)

That's good for an uncommon land, surely!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 07, 2013, 01:04:49 AM
Hey, why did these exist? One for each black combination only. Some sort of theme in whichever set it was?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=31757&type=card)

That's good for an uncommon land, surely!

They were in Torment, part of Odyssey block, where the second 2 sets were 1 "good" set (white and green over-represented) and 1 "evil" set (black overly represented).  Torment was the evil set, so they printed the tainted lands to make it easier to spash the other colors into your black decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 07, 2013, 01:20:00 AM
Ah, I see. Strange idea!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 07, 2013, 11:31:08 AM
I've decided this is a rubbish spell:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366379&type=card)

As amusing as it is to make people eat their creatures, the lifegain effect ruins it. They should have reprinted diabolic edict instead.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4656&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 07, 2013, 11:59:49 AM
Devour flesh is a must use in the current block.  It is good to either make your opponent remove their only creature or, as it is more often used, to remove one of your own creatures for life.

With the number of creature enchantment spells out there that lock down creatures, eating one of your own is a fine idea.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 07, 2013, 12:27:10 PM
I can't use it in my Orzhov deck, because it clashes with stab wound and 1000 lashes, as well as reversing my extort life losses.

I don't like it in my Rakdos deck because it undoes some of the damage my creatures and burn spells are causing.


It has 3/5 on gatherer. I agree! Mediocre.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 07, 2013, 01:00:44 PM
I use 1 in my B/U/W control deck.

I have so much creature dispersal and removal, the cannibalism is useful to offset any early life loss I suffered or to remove a troublesome creature if I need to.  I draw to it all the time, so it isn't difficult to get to.

Not a great spell, but generally more useful than Diabolic Edict.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 07, 2013, 05:24:50 PM
Great way to get rid of an annoying stab wound!

Also I could see it in a wall deck if you get hit by something big, block, sac and get a big life increase. But it is black which isn't the most common wall colour...  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 07, 2013, 06:11:00 PM
I don't think there is a single wall in standard...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 07, 2013, 06:27:14 PM
Sorry, mean defenders really. I kinda class them as the same thing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 07, 2013, 10:50:18 PM
I don't think there is a single wall in standard...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253541&type=card)

And three others.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 07, 2013, 11:05:33 PM
Hey nice catch!

I suppose though all defenders are basically what would classically be considered walls.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 07, 2013, 11:41:31 PM
I love wall defender decks. I think they are 'my thing' in the same way counter burn is rufus's. Not sure what finlays is...

Though Rufus has been rocking black white a whole lot lately...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 08, 2013, 12:21:13 PM
Not sure what finlays is...

Aggro!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 08, 2013, 12:27:26 PM
Weenie aggro I’d say, although I guess aggro is weenie by definition.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 08, 2013, 01:17:37 PM
I dunno, aggro can get up into 3 and 4 or even 6 mana, but those are primarily their win conditions outside of pummeling enchantments.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 08, 2013, 02:20:16 PM
Weenie aggro

I'm trying not to make a comment about that being really appropriate for you.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 08, 2013, 03:05:22 PM
likewise for 1000 lashes for you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 08, 2013, 03:12:09 PM
 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 09, 2013, 01:01:44 AM
Fandir, that deck was mean! Well, it would have helped had I got a quicker start. I think that version of my wall deck is set up wrong. Might need to rebuild.

Too many crashes tonight. The speed or lack thereof of my computer exiting games it just felt like I was spending more time sitting waiting than playing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 09, 2013, 02:12:50 AM
Here is what I am currently doing:

1000 lashes              2
Mindgrind                      2
Obzedat Ghost Council      2
Azorius Charm              4
Blind Obedience              2
Detention Sphere      4
Forbidden Alchemy      1
Sphinx's Revelation      4
Supreme verdict      2
Rewind                      2
negate                      3
Augur of Bolas              4
High Priest of penance       2
Jace Memory Adept      2
      
Godless Shrine              4
Hallowed Fountain      4
Watery Grave              4
Glacial Fortress              4
Plains                      4
Islands                      2
Swamp                      2

This is a control deck with some extort to help pull back some of the early life loss.  The eventual goal is to chuck the enemy's cards into their graveyard with the added bonus of extorting, lashing, and ghost counciling them to death.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 10, 2013, 05:17:24 PM
I finally made my three real decks.

They will get battered, as my gruul one did and that is probably the "best" one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 10, 2013, 05:19:31 PM
What's in it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 10, 2013, 05:21:09 PM
I'll only post them as long as you promise not to say stupid shit like "needs dual lands" or "needs bonfire of the damned" and you remember I paid Ģ20 for all 3 decks, and the most expensive card was simic manipulator at like Ģ.80 each!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 10, 2013, 05:22:18 PM
...

 :blush:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 12, 2013, 02:00:57 PM
You guys played much lately? I'm probably gonna be on a bit less now. Unless it's raining I won't be on Tuesdays or Thursdays (well not the times you usually are...). Other than that though I will try and sneak on still.

Just trying to make a token pauper deck. Tricky stuff as there are no common multi token boost cards but I think I can make it work...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 13, 2013, 11:59:02 AM
Weird card of the day:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=29905&type=card)

- the art shows the garden of a stately home, next to some random mountains.

- but no centaurs, or indeed any indication that centaurs might be involved.

- this rather pleasant, tame-looking garden hurts you if you tap it for mana.

- the other ability sucks.


Thanks for that, 'Odyssey!'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 13, 2013, 12:52:43 PM
That card sucks for sure.  On top of that, it is uncommon?!?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 14, 2013, 02:13:08 PM
Talking of centaurs, just saw this guy and am imagining an edh deck full of land grab, druids and ridiculously huge green creatures!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=29985&type=card)

Turn 4 or 5, the big stuff should be coming out already...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 14, 2013, 02:21:04 PM
But we don't like EDH!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 14, 2013, 05:41:31 PM
Can't stop a guy from dreaming!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 14, 2013, 08:41:48 PM
EDH?  What's that?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 14, 2013, 08:51:28 PM
Highlander, the 100 card rules. In theory fun, but we haven't been able to make it work!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 14, 2013, 08:53:42 PM
Commander?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 14, 2013, 11:31:37 PM
Yeh, that too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 10:08:00 AM
We could try EDH again. But it's so hard to get a relatively even power level! And you can't do it by limiting the age of the cards, because there is obnoxious stuff from almost every set.

Maybe we need to try it multiplayer! Since that's meant to be the idea.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 15, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
Jesus, just make a damn deck and play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 10:51:49 AM
Tried that. It was rubbish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 15, 2013, 11:22:56 AM
Lol
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 11:32:18 AM
Have you played EDH/commander, Phil? If so, do you like it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 15, 2013, 11:46:49 AM
I liked the one game we sort of played.

Would be up for multiplayer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
Would be up for multiplayer!

4-player? Might be hard to arrange though.

I want to make a black/white 'kill everything' deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 15, 2013, 12:15:18 PM
even 3 player probably makes it better.

I can probably be on tonight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 12:25:39 PM
OK, let's try it!

Though I still think it's a weird format. And I might get bored while trying to make the deck.


Uh oh, dangerous drawback on this card!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=228242&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 15, 2013, 01:13:32 PM
I like Commander.  IT is a format for long time players with a huge card base bored with the standard deck formats. 

WHat is neat about it is that you don't have to worry about having play sets of cards and can really play with your favorite cards.

Of course, when you have access to the entire library of cards then it might get a little odd.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 02:24:15 PM
Of course, when you have access to the entire library of cards then it might get a little odd.

Yes, that's the problem we have with it really!

It doesn't end up being casual at all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 15, 2013, 02:56:31 PM
But with 100 cards and a 1 card limit, you limit how much consistency a player can achieve.  Add the 4 player format and you have a neat dynamic, though most people who play it are jaded and tired to the standard formats in my experience.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 15, 2013, 03:15:08 PM
I moated rufus and he rage quit.


in my other commander, I played a 27/27 prime speaker vegana! It was amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 03:25:47 PM
Hmmm, I tried to make a new EDH deck. Gave up after 30 cards.

Tedious!

So if we play I'll have to use Muzzy Izzet or Herons.


Hmmm, so a Zur the Enchanter deck needs black, white or blue enchantments that cost 3 or less. How many can there be? Oh. 782.  :icon_eek:

Won't bother then.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 15, 2013, 04:38:48 PM
“sort by community rating, descending”
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 04:42:57 PM
Hey, that's a good idea!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 15, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
not perfect, and misses any subtle cards, but helps to filter it a bit!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 15, 2013, 06:12:47 PM
I call cheese!  :-P

I should be on later too. Might even pop on earlier and make some new decks.

Dunno about making any new edh ones though. If we try that I will just use what I have already. Though it is tempting to make that druid one...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 15, 2013, 06:36:21 PM
I'm not making any new edh decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 10:35:53 PM
Making new decks is definitely too much trouble.

Is anyone going to be on the magic site tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 15, 2013, 10:52:46 PM
I'll be on in a minute!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2013, 11:45:45 PM
He is using the sensei's divining top! Hate!

 ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 16, 2013, 12:04:51 AM
wish he hadn't joined. taking ages!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2013, 12:06:14 AM
It probably would anyway though.

Oh, it crashed. Lame.


I wish we hadn't reloaded now! Overload in a simic deck = shameful!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 16, 2013, 01:31:47 AM
we started playing at about 11.15
2 hours and 15 minutes for 1 fucking game.

I hate magic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2013, 02:47:57 PM
You kind of ruined that pauper game by playing an extort deck in multiplayer! Even I wouldn't do that! :icon_razz:


I think EDH is like 40K: you feel as though it ought to be fun, but somehow it manages not to be.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 16, 2013, 03:10:52 PM
Maybe we should just go back to taking it in turns to play 2 player!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2013, 03:13:22 PM
Might be sensible!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 16, 2013, 03:16:14 PM
Played Innistrad today at my LGS today. Had a blast!

I was also reminded that I still suck at Magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2013, 03:18:11 PM
Innistrad is amazing! Surely one of the best magic sets ever.

Come and play us on GCCG sometime!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 16, 2013, 03:23:47 PM
I need to get a computer science degree to get that program working on my Mac!

Innistrad is fantastic! I played mainly white splashed with green. Drummed up a lot of squishy creatures (Elite Vanguard, Elder Cathars, Hamlet Captains, Unruly Mobs) and overwhelmed my opponent a few times. Sometimes it feels like the magic equivalent of a zerg rush.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2013, 03:49:23 PM
Human decks are great! Doomed traveler is my favourite.

I think Innistrad is so good because of the way the game mechanics also help to convey the theme of the set, not just the art and the fluff text. Yes, it's just a generic gothic horror theme, but it's done really well.

It has a few... 'unfortunate' cards like delver of secrets, snapcaster mage and geist of st traft, but not enough to ruin it.


I need to get a computer science degree to get that program working on my Mac!

Right, I forgot that! That's a shame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 16, 2013, 04:57:11 PM
I think Innistrad is so good because of the way the game mechanics also help to convey the theme of the set, not just the art and the fluff text. Yes, it's just a generic gothic horror theme, but it's done really well.

It has a few... 'unfortunate' cards like delver of secrets, snapcaster mage and geist of st traft, but not enough to ruin it.

Agreed.  Wizards nailed that entire block, and the reason (IMO) is that it was the first block designed from the "bottom up."  Instead of designing a set and then trying to mesh it with the creative department's story, they instead started with the story and then deliberately designed mechanics that expressed the theme of gothic horror.  That's why you have such prefectly expressive mechanics like Undying and the werewolf flipping cards and such.  It really is a great set, no matter how you judge it: flavor, limited, constructed, art.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 16, 2013, 05:06:59 PM
Innistrad is amazing! Surely one of the best magic sets ever.

Come and play us on GCCG sometime!

I preferred Ravnica.  I loved the city idea and Return to Ravnica is doing it all over again.  I really like the thrust for themed multicolored.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 16, 2013, 06:46:57 PM
You kind of ruined that pauper game by playing an extort deck in multiplayer! Even I wouldn't do that! :icon_razz:


Vaskel won!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2013, 06:57:00 PM
Oh, did he? I must have been drunk then! I didn't realise.


Phil, Ravnica is good too. That's why standard is great at the moment. Two excellent blocks! No horrible return to mirodin block!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 16, 2013, 07:36:45 PM
I may have only won because you weren't getting extort of both of us any more though  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 16, 2013, 07:39:04 PM
Oh, did he? I must have been drunk then! I didn't realise.


Phil, Ravnica is good too. That's why standard is great at the moment. Two excellent blocks! No horrible return to mirodin block!

The smelly guys at the local card shop I spoke with last Friday said the same thing.  Innistrad was popular for the reasons you mention, that it was such an enjoyable and cohesive block with specific "jobs" each color filled rather than a collection of themed effects (red burn, blue control, black sacrifice, white protect, green stomp as the classic concepts).  It filled those classic slots with a story rather than the stereotype.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 17, 2013, 11:28:03 AM
I may have only won because you weren't getting extort of both of us any more though  :-P

extort is totally lame in MP games- glad you won!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 17, 2013, 12:26:09 PM
Extort in MP generally results in the extorting player getting dog piled.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 17, 2013, 01:51:00 PM
In fairness to all of us, we all have made decks for single player. The odd card that targets everyone, like fin's outrageously good everything back in hand spell just happen to rock in multiplayer. I bet there are a bunch of cards that we never take because they are overcosted in one on one, but would definitely be taken in multi because they hit all other players.

So as per usual, we don't really do these things properly!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2013, 06:15:33 PM
We do them our own way, which is better!


Anyway, just watching people play a format called 'Momir Basic.' I don't understand what's happening.  :icon_confused:

I think you get random creatures, or something?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 17, 2013, 08:35:26 PM
Just read an article on it. From what I can tell you build a deck just of basic lands.

Then you start the game with no hand and just draw your lands which yoi can play or discard a certain number to bring a creature into play. A totally random creature of that mana cost.

Maybe we should try it sometime. Very random but everyone is on the same level and the random creatures could be entertaining...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2013, 08:47:19 PM
Weird idea! I did wonder what those special Momir tables were for.

I'm not sure how much fun it would be, but I suppose it would be worth a try.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 17, 2013, 09:12:59 PM
Me either, but I guess at least we wouldn't be able to complain about each other's decks  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2013, 09:16:02 PM
We could complain about luck instead!


We should play planechase too. It's like a normal game, but you have a planar deck as well, and jump from plane to plane. I have played it (in real life), though I forget exactly how it goes. Anyway, the program can do it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 17, 2013, 10:08:02 PM
Never heard of that game mode.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 17, 2013, 10:21:04 PM
Accidental rage quit!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2013, 10:28:18 PM
Stop behaving like me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2013, 11:48:25 PM
Good games tonight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 18, 2013, 12:17:45 AM
yeh!
Even when I got rhino'd to death it was ok
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 12:34:31 AM
The rhino is mean.


On a different note, magic's first ever planeswalker!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=159314&type=card)

Oh, plainswalker. Never mind then.


Which leads to the most useful card ever:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1615&type=card)

total number of creatures with plainswalk = 4. At the time that card was printed, there was only one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 18, 2013, 12:49:45 AM
(http://edward.oconnor.cx/2006/01/The_Spanish_Inquisition.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/CLBGt.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 12:50:32 AM
Should be a cleric!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 18, 2013, 12:53:42 AM
Should be a cleric!

See, but that's what you'd expect.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 12:55:55 AM
Good point.

Is it racist if I say that voice of god card should be white?  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 18, 2013, 12:58:22 AM
Is it racist if I say that voice of god card should be white?  :icon_razz:

Yes, because you fail to take in Morgan Freeman's point of view on the matter  :::cheers:::

/meta reference to the Pope God Particle thread that is now about sausage


But shouldn't it be blue since it controls the actions of the player, a white card would require all players to read like Morgan Freeman, right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 01:19:47 AM
But god stuff defaults to white in magic. Maybe blue/white!

Sloppy wording on that card too! Morgan Freeman would have done a better job.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 18, 2013, 07:46:58 AM
The rhino guy is good but I still reckon had fin not got mana screwed it would have been a much closer game. I had so much time to store up removal that I wasn't really ever that frightened of what might pop out.

Maybe I will keep my rhinos but remove double strike dude. Not as thematic as everything else anyways...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 10:00:51 AM
I still think the rhino should be disqualified, on the grounds that the card is expensive.

I will revise my decks likewise!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 18, 2013, 10:27:29 AM
I'm happy to have a card price limit, but I'll need to know what it is, $5 maybe? And what site we are using as reference. I'm always happy to limit good cards as you know though from my pauper enthisiasm!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 10:45:09 AM
Quote
I'm happy to have a card price limit, but I'll need to know what it is

What! How unreasonable of you.

Um, I'm not sure. US prices are a lot cheaper than UK ones! And the price sites that come up on google are all in dirty american money!  :icon_razz:


Maybe this site?
 
http://www.mtgprice.com/magic-the-gathering-prices.jsp


$5 doesn't exclude much (in standard anyway). Rhino man is 4.7, according to them.

Could say $3? That's about Ģ2 in real money, which I think was the number Finlay used for his deck. And it excludes Rancor!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 11:28:56 AM
Hmmm, using that rule, my Simic deck loses 4 rancor, 1 hinterland harbor, 1 breeding pool. Everything else is well under the threshold. I quite wanted to drop rancor, actually, but it's so good I couldn't do it!

Orzhov lose 1 Ghost Council, 1 isolated chapel, 1 godless shrine. Izzet just lose 2 sulfur falls and a steam vents - poor old Muzzy Izzet himself is under the threshold. Oh no, but temporal mastery is out!  :icon_sad:

So the worst off, amusingly, is my Boris event deck, which is a precon! Champion of the parish, thalia, ash zealot, silverblade paladin, boris charm, clifftop retreat = out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 18, 2013, 11:54:14 AM
I was checking on http://www.themagiccardtrader.com/

because that's where I actually bought my cards from.


Increasing savagery was my most expensive card, from ebay. Ģ6.60 for 4. So no one is allowed anything over Ģ1.65 :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
Hmmm, ok then. My decks are still fine.


I should sell my four spare rancors before it goes out of standard!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 18, 2013, 12:07:21 PM
Ģ2 is fine.
I don’t even mind the one card over the limit (although obzedat coming out = game over man, game over)
I find it a bit hard to make arbitrary restrictions over a “real” deck, where I could easily go and buy 8 dual lands and 4 master biomancers. I just don’t want to.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
Ģ1.65 vs Ģ2 is no different.

Restricting cards by price is better than by rarity. A lot of rare cards are rubbish!


Quote
where I could easily go and buy 8 dual lands and 4 master biomancers. I just don’t want to.

Because it would cost at least Ģ90! I think it would actually be painful to spend that on 12 cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 18, 2013, 01:28:29 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=220380)

2.7 on gatherer!

surely this is a fairly solid card?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 01:36:17 PM
Hmmm, the image isn't showing for me. It's this, right?

http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=220380

It's OK. Mediocre. What if you come up against a human deck? Then the ability is useless.

Humans are perhaps the most common creature type in standard. Every colour has them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 18, 2013, 01:40:04 PM
simic = the wittgensteins!


true, but at least its a 1/2 blocker. I think its worth more than 2.7!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 18, 2013, 01:43:23 PM
I'm totally cool with Ģ2 on that site fin posted. I reckon no to the one card over too, just due to the fact that many of them are gonna be win cards.

I'm gonna leave my other standard decks intact though and start building these under a new category.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 01:45:16 PM
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simic = the wittgensteins!


true, but at least its a 1/2 blocker. I think its worth more than 2.7!


They are!

As for Mr (Mrs?) Tappy, since the equivalent cards (like gideon's lawkeeper) are out of standard, he doesn't have much competition. There's a decent blue ghost with a tap/untap ability for 3 mana though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 18, 2013, 01:49:20 PM
I'm totally cool with Ģ2 on that site fin posted. I reckon no to the one card over too, just due to the fact that many of them are gonna be win cards.

I'm gonna leave my other standard decks intact though and start building these under a new category.
Yeh, I've done that. my real decks are, imaginatively, called "real" azorius, simic, gruul and boris

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simic = the wittgensteins!


true, but at least its a 1/2 blocker. I think its worth more than 2.7!


They are!

As for Mr (Mrs?) Tappy, since the equivalent cards (like gideon's lawkeeper) are out of standard, he doesn't have much competition. There's a decent blue ghost with a tap/untap ability for 3 mana though.
yes, probably a lot better. a 2/1 flier, so decent to attack. mrs tappy never gets to block anyway as it taps itself.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 03:56:16 PM
Tappy ghost is quite good, actually!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=226724&type=card)

Untapping your own creatures can be handy.


I'm gonna leave my other standard decks intact though and start building these under a new category.

Wait, is it possible to arrange decks into categories on GCCG? I didn't know that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 18, 2013, 04:56:50 PM
Yeh, but I just made a system rather than there actually being anything specific. What I do is star the deck name with a symbol. So my edh ones are like:

%Soldier
%Green Aggro

etc. My pauper ones I decided this would be appropriate!

$Vedalkens
$Viashino

Then they are alphabetically sorted within the different symbols. Very handy for knowing what is what. My old standard decks are in brackets. Some of them I converted and then renamed with the new symbol. Others I will either get to or just delete as my decks are getting quite a lot right now!


Anyways, I just made a Dimir(ish) deck with nothing over 2quid. Meant I had to leave out a few goodies but the flip side is knowing that whatever I face will have had to do likewise. I went by a site called manaleak or something. They are UK based. I couldn't get on here at the time to get fin's link. I assume the prices will be similar though. Didn't realise quite how expensive the decent dual lands were.

It's not really all that dimir though. More a bunch of cards I liked the look of and stuck together! Looking forward to trying it out against someone.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 05:08:02 PM
Good system! I started doing something similar, but I didn't think of using symbols like that.

Manaleak is overpriced! Everything costs more on there. But I'm sure it will be close enough.


Hopefully we can play tonight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 18, 2013, 05:13:56 PM
It killed my lifelink deck. Goodbye faithmender, paladin, cathedral, angels. Still I guess your deck that I lost to will take a vit of a hit too?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 18, 2013, 05:15:07 PM
what deck was rufus using?

I think the only "bad" cards rufus will have now are a few duals and obzedat
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 05:52:56 PM
My Simic deck is all cheap cards apart from rancor and a couple of dual lands! So it's almost the same without those.

Likewise Orzhov only lose ghost council and lands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 18, 2013, 06:19:18 PM
I think just losing rancor and the lands is actually pretty big! Rancor's cheap permanent bonus is just amazing in any deck!

And usually games with your orzov decks end when ghost council comes out. Will have to see what the killer in there is now. Sometimes it's that 4 ghosts spell too, in fairness.

It might be that this strips all of our best tools, which will be nice, though it could lead to longer games!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2013, 10:50:55 PM
Hmmm, I muliganed into 6 lands. Then drew nothing but land for five turns!

That is a lot of land.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 19, 2013, 08:51:54 AM
I thought merfolk might make a decent pauper deck. I only played one game with them but they actually seem pretty sucky!

Probably don't have enough non creature spells in there...

Centaurs did ok. Probably need to run them out again though as they had a bit of a tough time of it.

Think my most succesful deck thus far in pauper is the tokens. Maybe we should say you can only use cards if they have always been commons...(just trying to get rid of rancor really  :-P)

I think under 'real' standard conditions, dimir is ok too. You don't have to use cypher or mill much at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 19, 2013, 10:56:30 AM
You just need to use rancor yourself! It would take ages to check if cards had always been common.

The merfolk probably would have been fine if they hadn't been bounced into oblivion by my dodgy bounce deck. They never got a chance to do anything.


The dimir deck did seem good! Except for that 'look at the top cards of your opponent's library' function not really working on the program, causing my cards to end up in your graveyard/on top of your library.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 19, 2013, 11:19:17 AM
I am guessing you don't use gatherer to help make decks very often...

The merfolk might have been ok, but they don't really have much going on aside from islandwalk so they are kinda one dimensional. Even my minos have a couple if nifty tricks to give them a chance...

I think next time I use the dimir charm that way, which won't be often as the kill abiliity is way better, I should get you to take the cards off and reveal them and I just tell you. Though it will mean you get to see your next card. Much less complicated though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 19, 2013, 11:29:42 AM
I do use gatherer, but not usually for pauper decks. I don't put that much thought into them. Creatures, rancor, done!

Back the merfolk up with counterspells!


I think Finlay used dimir charm on me once, and that's how we did it. It ruins the surprise (!), but at least the cards go to the right place.


Also, hurrah for thraben purebloods!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=230625&type=card)

The stars of my hound deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 19, 2013, 11:33:06 AM
they're rubbish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 19, 2013, 11:42:48 AM
I know, but they still won me the game!

With a bit of help from rancor.


I always wanted to use them in a deck, because they are so awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 19, 2013, 11:50:11 AM
they should have vigilance or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 19, 2013, 02:36:21 PM
They really should. Then they'd be even more themetastic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 19, 2013, 02:42:12 PM
and not so bad!

there are so many creatures which are say 2/2 for 2 mana plus ability, or 3/3 for 3 mana plus ability.
Paying 5 for not a 5/5 and no ability makes me sad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 19, 2013, 02:46:11 PM
They make bad cards like that on purpose, for a number of reasons. There was an article on the magic site explaining it.

It's just a shame when they waste an awesome concept and picture on a weak card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 19, 2013, 02:48:52 PM
and good flavour text!

what are the reasons.
I can think of one: to bulk out the set so the rares are more valuable!
oh, two: to add variety to sealed?

I googled the articles, will read later!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 19, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
Yes!

Um, those were two of the reasons. Maybe I can find it!

Ah, I think it was this one:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr5

Summary:

Quote
    By definition, some bad cards have to exist. (The most important reason.)
    Some cards are “bad” because they aren’t meant for you.
    Some cards are “bad” because they’re designed for a less advanced player.
    Some cards are “bad” because the right deck for them doesn’t exist yet.
    “Bad” cards reward the more skilled player.
    Some players enjoy discovering good “bad” cards.
    Some “bad” cards are simply R&D goofing up.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 19, 2013, 05:14:29 PM
I think most of those reasons are pretty valid. I know of some cards I have used in the past that nobody would normally take but they worked for me. Some cards just have to have the whole deck designed around them too to make them worthwhile, otherwise they are really really bad.

In pauper though, anything can be better than it appears. I certainly didn't find the hounds bad once you had played 3 of them in a row, me removing one but you still having two with rancor on. That is 2 5/5 tramples for 6 mana each, which really isn't too shabby.

I was going to try and build a deck around this card:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366426&type=card)

But I just couldn't justify it. Admittedly, the 2quid limit killed a lot of it's best combo options. Perhaps set 3 will make it rock somehow. I can see how it could be nice, but 3 to equip on top of whatever you have to pay to trigger the abilities...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 20, 2013, 03:42:37 PM
I was going to try and build a deck around this card:

What were you going to use with it? There must be loads of good choices!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 20, 2013, 07:02:55 PM
That's what I thought... But I couldn't find as many as I hoped. Creatures with tap would be alright, for the double tap. I dunno, after a bit of searching I lost interest. Nothing jumped out and the limits blocked the ooo stuff.

So I made what will probably be a rubbish landkill deck instead!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 21, 2013, 02:34:22 PM
So I made what will probably be a rubbish landkill deck instead!

Land destruction in standard? Insane!  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 21, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
That's what you said about my 5 colour deck! And you were probably right.

The one sad thing about my landkill deck as it is a 'real' deck is not being able to include this guy:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=290529&type=card)

He would have been a 4 in the deck kinda guy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 21, 2013, 04:38:33 PM
Ģ9.00 each! Hot damn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 21, 2013, 04:47:22 PM
Yeh, I have never really made a deck based around all the scavenge graveyard stuff. Just seems a lot of work. But I guess it can be pretty effective.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 25, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
New magic set announced for September. 'Theros' block.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1196

Looks like a Greek mythology theme.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 25, 2013, 03:05:57 PM
sweet!

Quite an obvious one to do really.

When is the third ravnica one out?

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/1196_yacnx0t9jc.jpg)

bad drawing!

try holding something like that behind your head. IMPOSSIBRU.
the spear should be in front of his body and right arm
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 25, 2013, 03:08:50 PM
I'm surprised they haven't done it before, really. Should be good though.

The last ravnica set (dragon's maze) is due in May. Then the next base set (magic2014... base sets are boring though!) in July.


And yes, that spear does look awkward!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 25, 2013, 03:22:10 PM
That spear is resting on his shoulder isn't it?

And base sets are vitally important!  They pretty much dictate the direction of deck builds for that year.  The current one is heavy on creature removal and light on good counter spells, which produced the aggro heavy blocks and creature removal rather than counter based control set ups.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 25, 2013, 03:23:38 PM
Important things can be boring.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 25, 2013, 03:56:43 PM
I agree, the core sets are the most boring aspects, but they are still the building blocks for the standard decks of their period.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 25, 2013, 03:58:01 PM
Rufus never said they weren't!

quit picking internet fights philly  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 25, 2013, 03:59:17 PM
Well I guess what I am saying is that they aren't as "fun" as the expansion sets, but their arrival isn't boring on the game as a whole because they dictate the entire meta for their period.  They destroy and create the decks of the standard environment in weird ways.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 25, 2013, 04:10:38 PM
Don't worry Phil: you are allowed to find base sets interesting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 25, 2013, 04:14:31 PM
I am most excited about core set creatures, the return of cool cards from past sets, and especially the dual lands!  I am hoping they slot in the oppositional dual lands from Innistrad!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 25, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
I think they'll either print the full set of ten tappy lands, or drop them entirely and put a different set of dual lands in instead. The glacial fortress ones have been in four sets in a row now, so might be due to leave (there was an article on wizards saying they didn't really want to put them in magic13, but had to because of the Innistrad ones).

I don't normally use that many of the base set cards. Oblivion ring, rancor.... not much else!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 25, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Most people don't.  But the cards in 8th edition and 9th were such strong sets that they made up about a 3rd of decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 25, 2013, 04:46:15 PM
Really? I might have to look those up on gatherer to see what was so good about them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 25, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
counter spell, incinerate, some really good useful base creatures, things pain land dual lands for all color combinations.  The sideboard cards were great too.

Things like Gravepact, Phyraxian Arena, and the Mindslicer were unreal main/side board cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 25, 2013, 04:55:19 PM
That guy is gargantuan, has no legs l, purple smoke coming out of his groin and you are worried about how he is holding his spear?!

Spoiler alert. I might be able to get online tonight. Have you guys gone forwards an hour yet? I am guessing that might have happened this weekend. In which case I will likely be heading on just before 11 give or take.

Base sets I really like. Usually pretty simple and I end up using loads of them in my deck *cough lifelink exalted etc cough*. But then, I am not all that great at magic so that might be why!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 25, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
That guy is gargantuan, has no legs l, purple smoke coming out of his groin and you are worried about how he is holding his spear?!

Spoiler alert. I might be able to get online tonight. Have you guys gone forwards an hour yet? I am guessing that might have happened this weekend. In which case I will likely be heading on just before 11 give or take.

Base sets I really like. Usually pretty simple and I end up using loads of them in my deck *cough lifelink exalted etc cough*. But then, I am not all that great at magic so that might be why!
No, the US does it a week before us sensible people over here  :ph34r:

I like base sets too. You just cant get theme-tastic decks from them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 25, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
I hate the time changes in general. A pain in the butt and rather unnessary in my opinion!

True you can't get much theme going just by themselves. I've found the 'if you have a gate' cards rather underwhelming. i hope they put more or better things in the last set. Are they likely to continue the guild thing with a bit of each guild, or someyhing else?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 25, 2013, 05:09:21 PM
I should be on GCCG tonight.


Are they likely to continue the guild thing with a bit of each guild, or someyhing else?

Probably more guild stuff, and something else! Previews will start in the next week or so.

I'm hoping for some good Izzet stuff!

And yes, gates need to actually do something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 25, 2013, 05:10:29 PM
I love guild decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 25, 2013, 11:36:03 PM
Re: base sets, they've come a long way.  I think since M10, but especially since M11, the base sets have been pretty interesting.  They obviously are bland in comparison to a block of sets that has been thematically designed, but they're necessary for the tournament scene (as Philly said), as well as being needed to give new players easy access to staple cards. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 25, 2013, 11:51:30 PM
bad sport finlay!

30 minute games are never fun.
New finlay rule: quit any game which hasnt gone anywhere after 15 minutes.

now it's BIOSHOCK TIME.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 26, 2013, 01:58:12 AM
Bit of a crazy game night in general. My last game with Rufus turned stalemate when I got down to 1 health or close and then made myself impervious to rats and ogres!

Not sure I had a game where someone or both players didn't want to blow their brains out by the end... hmm... maybe that means there's something wrong with me!

My landkill deck is useless though. Only worked against Fin because he drew absolutely no land that first time. The contaminated ground is a nice early drop though and a good late game against special lands that ruin your day. But probably not worth it usually unless you also are going swampwalk... which you probably aren't in this current environment.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 26, 2013, 10:08:57 AM
Not sure I had a game where someone or both players didn't want to blow their brains out by the end... hmm... maybe that means there's something wrong with me!

Definitely!  :icon_razz:



Now, what was that we said about gates doing nothing?

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/1197_mazes_end.jpg)

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1197
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 26, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
There are just some nights like that Siby, I didn't have any fun games last night!


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/1197_ruricthar.jpg)

holy fecking turdnuggets.
WANT WANT WANT.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 26, 2013, 10:44:46 AM
Yes, I thought you might. That's why I didn't post it directly!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 26, 2013, 10:53:10 AM
I imagine he will be quite expensive. I’d happily pay 6 for a 6/6 with vigilance and reach, let alone his bad ass anti removal ability.
 At least he isn’t mythic. The gruul leader sucks at the moment so gruul deserve something good to match orzhov!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 26, 2013, 11:44:35 AM
Having to attack is a problem. Deathtouched by rats!

He's good, but I doubt he's good enough to be a tournament mainstay. And if he isn't, he won't be that expensive to buy.


Maybe the orzhov legend will be better! It's going to be a new version of this one:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=83546&type=card)


Now she's 'envoy of ghosts,' which sounds good to me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 26, 2013, 11:49:36 AM
He shouldn't be.  That attack requirement makes for a headache.  But you can pack plenty of removal into red/green, so it can be dealt with.  The 6 damage ability of his is really super nasty too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 26, 2013, 11:57:11 AM
Maze's end is like thawing glaciers for gates, except more expensive to use. And it has an incredibly unlikely alternate win condition. Is there anything else in standard that can search for gates, other than gatecreeper vine? I don't think so.

And it appears to be mythic! Prediction = cheap card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 27, 2013, 12:47:45 AM
Maze's end is like thawing glaciers for gates, except more expensive to use. And it has an incredibly unlikely alternate win condition. Is there anything else in standard that can search for gates, other than gatecreeper vine? I don't think so.

And it appears to be mythic! Prediction = cheap card!

I thought there was a green landsearch card that could grab a gate.

Edit: There is:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=289217&type=card)

Yeah, Maze's End looks great for EDH, even without the possible (likely impossible in EDH, actually) win condition tacked on. 

Ruric Thar pisses me off, as I just bought the new Borbygigmos (sp?....no idea lol) as the new general for my Green fattie EDH deck, and now this guy will immidiately replace him (I think).  Oh well, Borby was cheap and I imagine Ruric will be too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 27, 2013, 01:22:04 AM
Maze's End looks great for EDH

But it won't be able to find many cards in EDH!


Ruric is definitely better than the guildleader though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 27, 2013, 07:47:45 AM
Maze's end is like thawing glaciers for gates, except more expensive to use. And it has an incredibly unlikely alternate win condition. Is there anything else in standard that can search for gates, other than gatecreeper vine? I don't think so.

And it appears to be mythic! Prediction = cheap card!

The fact that the first spoiled card involves gates I guess goes some way towards hinting that they might become better... Or more involved at least...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 27, 2013, 10:23:38 AM
I dont like borborygmos at all.

Maze's end is like thawing glaciers for gates, except more expensive to use. And it has an incredibly unlikely alternate win condition. Is there anything else in standard that can search for gates, other than gatecreeper vine? I don't think so.

And it appears to be mythic! Prediction = cheap card!

The fact that the first spoiled card involves gates I guess goes some way towards hinting that they might become better... Or more involved at least...
I think they already said that it was going to be gate-tastic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 27, 2013, 11:20:25 AM
I hope they do make gates more interesting. They're just slow, common dual lands at the moment. There are too few cards that care about them to justify the special subtype.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 27, 2013, 02:17:43 PM
I'm scared of what the new orzhov character will be like...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 27, 2013, 02:28:11 PM
she should be shit to compensate for the council! And to punish rufus.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 27, 2013, 02:45:25 PM
We can but hope!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 27, 2013, 02:46:38 PM
You guys are mean.

I think she'll be even nastier than the council!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 27, 2013, 02:59:05 PM
Really, rather than complain, we should make our own ghost council decks! Except that we generally are doing 'real' decks now. I suppose once the new set comes out though we'll have a little period of anything goes standard again, to see how it all works and all...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 27, 2013, 03:02:27 PM
No one was stopping you from ghost counciling before!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 27, 2013, 03:04:47 PM
It was our conscience.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 27, 2013, 03:06:01 PM
I love complaining! Rufus is totally pwning me at the moment. I did even try to make an orxhov deck and it didnt work!

Might have to go on a sealed rampage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 27, 2013, 03:06:54 PM
What was in your Orhzov deck Fin?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 27, 2013, 03:12:29 PM
Rufus is totally pwning me at the moment.

I'm the best at magic!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 27, 2013, 03:16:18 PM
can’t remember philly. Stab wound and 1000 lashes at least.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 27, 2013, 03:18:27 PM
I thought you only did pauper Orzhov? No lashes in that one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 27, 2013, 03:27:02 PM
can’t remember philly. Stab wound and 1000 lashes at least.

So recent Orhzov, not stuff from the first Ravnica block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 27, 2013, 03:35:46 PM
Rufus is sneaky, he refuses to play against certain things until you stop using them. Then he kills you with ghost councils and rancors until you cry.  :-P

I seem to be pretty rubbish at constructed stuff. I have had way better luck with sealed. Maybe I'm more lucky at that, or maybe it just suits my style more. I dunno.

I've done alright in the pauper we have played too, but my lack of knowledge of cards from the ages hurts me sometimes.

In standard I have a pretty horrendous win/loss ratio I think. Partially it could be because I find it so hard to resist a theme and like to try out different things just for variety rather than stick to tried and trusted cards. My landkill deck was a somewhat horrifying example of that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 27, 2013, 03:39:33 PM
Rufus is sneaky, he refuses to play against certain things until you stop using them.

Lies!  ::heretic::

Anyway, no one is trying to win every game. Some of my pauper decks are absurdly awful, because they are built purely for theme.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 27, 2013, 03:50:04 PM
I know. That's why I like playing you guys. I don't feel like your decks are made purely to cause misery.

We all have stuff that make the others cringe and we all try some bizarre things sometimes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 27, 2013, 04:04:42 PM
I don't feel like your decks are made purely to cause misery.

Well, some of mine are!

Evil laughter.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 27, 2013, 05:01:41 PM
I thought you only did pauper Orzhov? No lashes in that one.

Oh yes, you're right.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 27, 2013, 06:35:43 PM
Maze's End looks great for EDH

But it won't be able to find many cards in EDH!

In a three color deck, that's at least three gates, which would be barely worth it, yes.  But I'm counting on them printing more.  Also, never underestimate the power of mana fixers, no matter how clunky...EDH decks tend to be very mana-hungry, so every little bit helps.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 27, 2013, 10:02:02 PM
I am on right now. Just letting you know incase...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 27, 2013, 10:14:42 PM
Not getting any land = worst thing ever.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 28, 2013, 01:47:50 PM
I looked up common walls.... So many good options  I might have to make 2 different decks!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 28, 2013, 02:18:46 PM
Oh no! Stalled by walls!   :icon_eek:

I will try very hard not to sulk next time we play. I'll make a super-aggressive wall-smashing deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 28, 2013, 02:27:40 PM
A flying deck to fly over the walls!
I sort of want to make side decks… so I can bring in 2 more naturalises when I’m fighting orzhov!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 28, 2013, 02:31:53 PM
Quite a lot of walls can fly...

If we used sideboards, I'd take out the enchantments and replace them with something specifically nasty against your deck! It seems like a lot of extra hassle for not much benefit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 28, 2013, 03:09:20 PM
I bet it would make for closer game 2 and 3s though.

Tis a bit of a pain in the butt though.

Having said that it does help out those decks that don't have any answer for things. Green decks seem to suffer a lot from being one dimensional. Most of their removal is flying based and you really don't want to put them in your main deck incase you face no flying at all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 28, 2013, 03:12:01 PM
As always, I will give in and make sideboards if you both want to!

We could try it for one deck each and see how it goes? A 'real' standard deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 28, 2013, 04:05:35 PM
I'm down with trying it. At worst it will be an interesting experiment. At best, maybe we won't have so many one sided games... who knows!

I'll add one to one of my decks so we can try it. But it does require a two or three game run to test because it's all about adapting to what you're facing. Won't be much use when we're doing our take it in turns to play things.

I must say though that the idea of stuff with 'land'walking being worth taking is kinda cool as usually it's so situational you can't justify it unless the creature is already pretty nifty.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 28, 2013, 04:26:38 PM
I have no idea what to put in a sideboard. I'm just going to end up sticking random cards in there at the last minute!

Doesn't it depend on knowing the sorts of decks other people are likely to play?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 28, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
Yes.  Side boarding is a set of cards that respond to a potentially bad matchup you might face.  It is very good in standard, but in a free for all setting ,you really just use it to respond to decks that can derail your type of deck (if you are using an agro deck and face a control deck, you put in cards to stop control and visa versa).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 28, 2013, 04:39:41 PM
Hmm, good point. Will try to do that then!

It's going to involve a lot of cards I normally discount as being too situational.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 28, 2013, 04:45:01 PM
That's the part I do like about it. Some stuff might get to see the table that normally doesn't.

There is, I was surprised to see, no plainswalk in standard!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 28, 2013, 04:47:37 PM
Ha ha! There are only four creatures in the history of magic that have plainswalk!

I'm not sure why. Tradition, perhaps!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 28, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
One of them is a chicken!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 28, 2013, 05:06:48 PM
Hmm, good point. Will try to do that then!

It's going to involve a lot of cards I normally discount as being too situational.
That's the point!

you removed all 4 naturalizes because it annoyed you drawing them and not needing them. sideboard them all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 28, 2013, 06:26:31 PM
Ha ha! There are only four creatures in the history of magic that have plainswalk!

I'm not sure why. Tradition, perhaps!

Wouldn't it be easy to walk across plains?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 28, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
You'd think, but apparently not.

Anyway, I've made a deck with a sideboard.


Kamigawa sealed: so hard to believe that all the cards really are that bad!

Actually, I had the red ghost dragon and a weird green ghost legend that boosted everyone else. So actually I had good cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 29, 2013, 12:06:14 AM
I don't like kamigowa. Too many weird rules and weird looking cards... And everything is legendary. Barney would love it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 29, 2013, 12:28:31 AM
I like it! althought some of the art is super weird.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 29, 2013, 12:35:41 AM
Collection of candles with feet. Vomiting flowers.

Weird!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 29, 2013, 02:48:25 AM
Very!  But spirit decks re so much fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 29, 2013, 03:25:22 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74096&type=card)

What's the poiont of this?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 29, 2013, 03:28:05 PM
Cheap 4/4 flier.  There were some kamigawa cards that added counters to good cards and had bad effects.  Likewise, he is a decent spirit and the spirit decks could be really nasty.  But he is certainly not a stellar card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 29, 2013, 03:34:28 PM
Poor Chisei. He just want's to help!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 29, 2013, 03:36:16 PM
I hate him! he sucks ass.

Ok, lots of Kami cards which buff you if you have lots of cards in hand- what are the methods of doing so in kami?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 29, 2013, 03:38:51 PM
There were a lot of cards that used spirits in your hand or graveyard or play, plus many that triggered off arcane cards.  In both cases there was decent symetry, but spirit decks were never the top shelf stuff from the block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 29, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
Ok, lots of Kami cards which buff you if you have lots of cards in hand- what are the methods of doing so in kami?

Not casting any spells!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 29, 2013, 03:49:23 PM
kodama's reach finds a land. there are a bunch of blue "draw card" spells.
But the ones I've seen which buff for big hands are white!

I'll make a few decks anyway, and as we learn the block more hopefully make them better.

Excited!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 29, 2013, 03:51:04 PM
Oh are you guys on a kamigawa block kick?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 29, 2013, 06:14:20 PM
Are you doing theae sealed or are you just making kami decks?

Either way I might just play normal games, I am going to have a rufusesque refusal to look at kami.   :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 29, 2013, 07:31:01 PM
sealed and kami constructedŽ
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 29, 2013, 09:02:23 PM
I am going to have a rufusesque refusal to look at kami.   :icon_razz:

That is totally unreasonable!  :icon_smile:


The Kamigawa flip cards are horrible to look at:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=78694&type=card)

Messy! The double-sided Innistrad ones are so much better.


Attack of the flying dead goldfish:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74127&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 29, 2013, 10:30:04 PM
Yeh, I haven't seen the inni flip cards in real life but they look like they'd be really nice. Never got my head round the kami ones. Have you guys actually played any games yet? Is it fun?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 29, 2013, 10:30:54 PM
Playing sealed now!

It's OK!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 29, 2013, 11:47:27 PM
The innistrad ones SUCKKKKKKKK

Think of it this way:  Either you need two of every one of them (or more if you play multiples of them) or you need to pull them from your sleeves and turn them around physically every damn time you want to use them!

Ask Towni, he will back me up!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 30, 2013, 12:12:06 AM
But do they look lovely?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 12:16:16 AM
Phil:

Transparent card sleeves. Done!

That's what I do. It's fine. They are amazing, and in fact you suck.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 30, 2013, 12:22:34 AM
Transparent card sleeves. Done!

QFT. Or just use the card with the tick boxes in your sleeve and have the real card in a stack off to the side.

Doomed traveler/Elder Cathar + Thraben Sentry/Militia = Win
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 12:24:02 AM
QFT. Or just use the card with the tick boxes in your sleeve and have the real card in a stack off to the side.

Well, you have to do both of course!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 30, 2013, 12:26:01 AM
Of course. I just never had the transformable cards sleeved. No transparent sleeves when I first got Innistrad
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 12:49:56 AM
Unsleeved cards!  :icon_eek:

I get paranoid that the edges are getting worn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 30, 2013, 12:52:49 AM
I live a risky life sometimes. I'm usually more worried about my opponent spilling his coke  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 30, 2013, 10:15:45 AM
was going to use this

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74412&type=card)

but there are hardly any good auras in kamigamihawa.
Wonder if I should add rancor :O

What's the name of thaty "force everyone to block me" green creature?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 10:20:36 AM
No rancor!


Lure ghost:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74017&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 10:23:23 AM
You need them sleeved!  You would know the card is there, which is strange.

The cards are neat, but they create a strange logistic issue
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 10:26:36 AM
Phil, you just put the checklist card in your deck, and the flip card somewhere out of sight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 10:55:48 AM
Yeah but that looks odd and makes for a pain.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 11:09:50 AM
Well, I think they're worth the trouble!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 11:16:55 AM
I prefer the kamigawa flip cards.  Just easier to use.  I don't need piles of extraneous items.  I just want to have my deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 11:27:38 AM
That's OK, you are allowed to.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 11:33:40 AM
The Kami goblins look silly, tho ZoZo and Kikki Jikki were really cool.

Look at the black rat shamans for some neat cards that are pretty cool.  Rat decks based on the nezumi and using the new Ogre Ratlord would be great!

I collect rat cards.  I should make one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 11:37:40 AM
I was thinking of a Kamigawa rat deck actually! I have a rat deck in standard (pack rat = the bestest).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 11:46:16 AM
There are two really cool rat flip cards in kami.  And the two rat legends are awesome.  But if you guys are only doing that pauper thing then you wont see most of the good ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 11:59:40 AM
No, we (well, Finlay and I anyway, since Siby doesn't like Kami!) are doing Kami block constructed. Pauper is a different format.

So all the skaven are in!


Why was Kamigawa not popular? People thought the cards were too weak on average, after the ban-tastic mirodin block? Someone's Jitte boring everyone by being in all the decks? Divining top making everyone fall asleep?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 12:32:11 PM
Jitte ruled the roost.  If you weren't using 4, you weren't competitive.  People always had pithing needle in their sideboard.  It got to the point where some people were main decking pithing needle and some sideboarding jitte!

Kamigawa had a japanese theme that appealed to about 1% of the population.  The card art was bizarre, there was difficult synergy with Mirrodin (really not much that worked between the two) and some of the Kamigawa mechanics just don't mesh with other sets (arcane spell effects for example).  It was just an odd time in 2004 - 2005 where everyone had just gotten out of a fun block (Onslaught) waded through a power odd block (Mirrodin) and were now stuck in strange block (Kamigawa).  Things felt aimless.

Then Ravnica reminded everyone why Magic is so awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 30, 2013, 01:07:37 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0najymJSy1qia2dho1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 30, 2013, 02:51:54 PM
I was thinking of a Kamigawa rat deck actually! I have a rat deck in standard (pack rat = the bestest).

I think I have only beaten your pack rat deck two times.

Once with a near identical rat deck and the other by making eveything I had immue to rats!

I like some of the ideas in kami - foxes for instance. If they did a kamigowa remake, I could see it being really cool if the art is of the newer quality, the rules a little less complex and cut out the overabundance of legends... But if it was a flop last time I suspect it unlikely...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 02:58:17 PM
The Mirrodin art wasn't bad, nor was the Onslaught block.  They purposefully chose the art style in Kamigawa to be evocative of Japanese styles, even going so far as to get some Japanese artists.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 03:19:47 PM
I hope that video was staged, Karl! Depressing otherwise.


I think the art's fine in Kamigawa. And I like the Japanese theme - a lot of magic sets are fairly generic fantasy, so it's nice when they do something a bit different (like Mirage's African theme, or Lorwyn/Shadowmoor's 'no humans' world).

You have to wonder how the Jitte escaped the playtesters though. And that stupid divining top! Hate. Oh, and that snake hero Finlay had in his sealed deck.

Ravnica, by the way, is surely inspired by the D&D planescape setting, specifically Sigil. It's so similar!


Quote from: Siberius
I think I have only beaten your pack rat deck two times.

Once with a near identical rat deck and the other by making eveything I had immue to rats!

Ha ha! I have two different rat decks, in fact - a hardcore green/black one with rancor and abrupt decay, then a 'real' standard mono-black one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 03:24:06 PM
Divining top wasn't bad, it was just annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 03:37:38 PM
That's what I said. It's bad because it makes the game take forever! That effect on a low-cost artifact = bad idea.


On a related note, which are the worst (for any reason) key-worded game mechanics in magic? Off the top of my head:

- infect  (poison! no!)
- exalted (just annoys me randomly)
- morph (face down cards... no!)
- cascade (either overpowered or rubbish, varying from card to card)


And the best!

- flashback (amazing!)
- scry (more of this please. I love augury owl)
- extort (endlessly amusing)
- miracle (just because casting temporal mastery as a miracle is one of my favourite things to do in magic, even though it's often not that helpful)


Um.... I'm sure there are a lot more.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 30, 2013, 03:44:40 PM
what are your thoughts of lifelink?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 03:45:01 PM
Exalted seems weird.  I can't see it as all that great.  More like meh.

Morph was quite cool though.  Great in a monster creature deck where they can just lay in wait until you need them huge.

Not to mention, one of the best black cards of all time is a morpher!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=39734&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 03:55:43 PM
what are your thoughts of lifelink?

I like it in moderation. Siby's got a habit of making lifelink theme decks, which are fairly frustrating!



Quote from: PhillyT
Morph was quite cool though.  Great in a monster creature deck where they can just lay in wait until you need them huge.

I can see why it would be useful, and why people might like it. But it just annoys me for some reason. I think it's because I want to see the cards, not their backs!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 30, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
Hehe Rufus, you just picked all the effects you like and dislike! But maybe that's what you meant, rather than best.

I do like me some lifelink. Allows you to get punished whilst getting into position. Like walls!

Philly, I've had lots of success with exalted. Being able to leave your creatures untapped to block and swinging every turn with one creature is nice. Also the fact that if they kill that creature, you don't lose much effect because the next one you hit with is just as good!

Infact exalt and lifelink mixed together is a pretty nasty mix.

Thankfully I fully agree with Rufus on infect. Unless you build a while anti infect thing into your deck it just kills you fast, boring.

Mechanics I like:
Exalted, Defender (!), Lifelink, Deathtouch

Dislike
Miracle, Clash, Cipher

Mind gone blank! 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 04:11:42 PM
Hehe Rufus, you just picked all the effects you like and dislike! But maybe that's what you meant, rather than best.

Well, of course! While you can make a case for some mechanics being objectively good or bad design, for the most part it's just a question of taste.


I forgot Clash! That really is a terrible one.

Infect is probably the only one I won't play against. I'd rather not have a game at all than play an infect deck.


Quote
Mind gone blank! 

Yes, me too. More will probably occur to me at random times!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 30, 2013, 04:17:25 PM
Splice to the arcane is an over elaborate name and quite rubbish for using outside of it's set...

I like landfall, not usually overpowered and very usuable in most decks. There are certainly some nasty combos with multi landdrop things but hey there's nasty combos with most stuff if you build a deck round it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 05:02:13 PM
Splice is an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how well it works. Definitely a build-around mechanic, like populate.

I'm not sure about landfall either. I don't think I've ever used it really.


Ah, another good one: cycling! You can put situational cards in your deck if you can cycle them away when they aren't needed. For example:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12360&type=card)

[that card is better now than when printed, by the way, because there are far more large creatures around]

Cycling first appeared in the Urza block, but according to Gatherer it has been used in Onslaught and Alara too. Probably also Time Spiral, but that doesn't really count since it had everything in it.


I also like buyback:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4691&type=card)

It doesn't have to be a mana cost either...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=5157&type=card)

That one is evil though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 05:11:39 PM
Cycling was a great mechanic.  It was awesome in the Onslaught block.  This is one of my favorite green cards:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=43479&type=card)

Lets count it down shall we:

1.  Big creature if your want.
2.  Land grab.
3.  Card draw.
4.  Drawn by Kev Walker, one of the best magic artists around.

Onslaught block is right up there with Ravnica for the best set ever.  It has almost all of my favorite card.

It has my absolute favorite card actually!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=33695&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 05:19:12 PM
I was just going to say, shouldn't he be a boar... when I saw that Gatherer has him as a 'boar beast.' That's OK then!

Anyway, I've never seen that creature before, but I like it. I might make a pauper deck with him in it.


Sharpshooter looks quite mean. Similar in effect to my favourite creature...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=96891&type=card)

Voltorb Gelectrode!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 30, 2013, 05:26:07 PM
They are similar, but sharpshooters are even better.  If you get a couple out, the game can effectively be over without another spell being cast.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 30, 2013, 06:54:50 PM
Philly, I'm glad you pay attention to the art on the cards. I feel that some of it really goes unappreciated.

That Goblin Sharpshooter makes me want to make the perfect Goblin deck
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 30, 2013, 06:59:00 PM
I prefer the kamigawa flip cards.  Just easier to use.  I don't need piles of extraneous items.  I just want to have my deck.
The kami ones are probably easier in real life, but on the programme we use we can't read them properly.

Jitte ruled the roost.  If you weren't using 4, you weren't competitive.  People always had pithing needle in their sideboard.  It got to the point where some people were main decking pithing needle and some sideboarding jitte!

Kamigawa had a japanese theme that appealed to about 1% of the population.  The card art was bizarre, there was difficult synergy with Mirrodin (really not much that worked between the two) and some of the Kamigawa mechanics just don't mesh with other sets (arcane spell effects for example).  It was just an odd time in 2004 - 2005 where everyone had just gotten out of a fun block (Onslaught) waded through a power odd block (Mirrodin) and were now stuck in strange block (Kamigawa).  Things felt aimless.

Then Ravnica reminded everyone why Magic is so awesome.

I can't believe the japanese theme wasnt more popular? nerds love japan.
I'm excited for the greek mythology inspired set!

The art is weird, but most of it is good weird, in my opinion. I like the ephemeral looking spirits.
I even like the "loads of legends" thing. means at least there should be more variety of creatures on the table.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 30, 2013, 08:50:26 PM
The innistrad ones SUCKKKKKKKK

Think of it this way:  Either you need two of every one of them (or more if you play multiples of them) or you need to pull them from your sleeves and turn them around physically every damn time you want to use them!

Ask Towni, he will back me up!

Agreed.  At tournaments, you have to use 100% opaque sleeves so that you can't see the art through the sleeve, and then you either have to bring spares or (what I do) take it out of the sleeve and flip it every time.  They definitely look nicer, but the logistics of playing with them suck.

Philly, I'm glad you pay attention to the art on the cards. I feel that some of it really goes unappreciated.

I've played cards because they were illustrayed by Rebecca Guay.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2013, 10:22:19 PM
I'm adding those titans from M12 to my list of 'magic cards that should never have been made.'

Seriously, turn 2 inferno titan?  :icon_eek:

Nasty combo deck!


No to double ritual hymn to tourach hypnotic spectre on turn one too.


Honestly, you wouldn't play 40K and lose on turn one because the IG shot most of your army off the table... oh, wait.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 30, 2013, 11:04:48 PM
when most of your army = 2 rhinos and a few grey knights :D

Who were you playing? I wont be on tonight
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 30, 2013, 11:10:08 PM
I'm adding those titans from M12 to my list of 'magic cards that should never have been made.'

Yeah, they're pretty silly.  They did a pretty good job warping standard for the time that they were in it, too.  I can't complain too much though, I won a draft thanks to lucksacking into an Inferno Titan.  Every time I drew him I won in two turns or less.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 31, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
They put way too many abilities on those titans. And they are 6/6 for six mana! They're probably worth at least 8. I hope they don't get a reprint.


Who were you playing?

Zirilan! He broke out the hardcore decks. Turn two, sneak attack, inferno titan for 12 damage. I had one land on the table. Game over!

Also, he thought our 'cards less than 2 quid' rule meant the prices in fake money on GCCG. But the prices on there are weird.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Biadetic on March 31, 2013, 01:21:24 PM
The titans aren't really over powered. But if your'e playing a format that allows a T2 inferno titan then you could easily have a broken deck also that could deal with it :) As those formats are generally packed with good combos and removal =]
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 31, 2013, 05:18:22 PM
The only titan I was ever affraid of was primeval. Him and say landfall makes for some unfortunate issues...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 31, 2013, 07:23:01 PM
But if your'e playing a format that allows a T2 inferno titan then you could easily have a broken deck also that could deal with it :)

But it wasn't a pre-arranged format, we just played! I had no idea he was using a legacy combo deck - he had a rather slow theme deck the last time we played.

There was nothing I could do.



Anyway, the titans going was one of the best things about magic12 leaving standard. The bad things were the loss of ponder and mana leak, neither of which was replaced with anything remotely good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on March 31, 2013, 09:16:01 PM
The only titan I was ever affraid of was primeval. Him and say landfall makes for some unfortunate issues...

Yeah, he's the worst one.  Banned in EDH/Commander, btw.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 31, 2013, 09:23:19 PM
Hey, it's not even just basic lands. Any lands!

Ridiculous. No wonder he's banned in EDH.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 31, 2013, 09:45:08 PM
This card is hilarious and lame at the same time:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1569&type=card)

Sing, dwarfs! Your song does nothing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 31, 2013, 09:57:45 PM
This card is hilarious and lame at the same time:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1569&type=card)

Sing, dwarfs! Your song does nothing.
Maybe useable in an Commander deck. Making creatures red, so you attack through them?
Anyway, hilarious card :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 31, 2013, 11:34:40 PM
Sing, dwarfs! Your song does nothing.

I laughed so hard when I read this!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 31, 2013, 11:36:58 PM
I can't believe thety've never made a good dwarven deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 31, 2013, 11:39:35 PM
Yeah, there really aren't many dwarves.  But you know how it is, when they set creature types, after "The Dark" they pretty much decided that Goblins are red's creature.  Even orcs are garbage.

In the meantime, Food Chain Goblin is the most powerful themed deck ever made!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 31, 2013, 11:49:55 PM
I do like goblins. But still, more dwarfs please!

I might make a 'dwarvern song' deck.  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 31, 2013, 11:51:52 PM
since when do colours only have one creature?!

MOAR DWARFS.

I bet the owner of wizards hates them or something
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on March 31, 2013, 11:59:25 PM
since when do colours only have one creature?!

MOAR DWARFS.

I bet the owner of wizards hates them or something

I mean in terms of theme.  Red is assotiated with goblins, minotaur, orcs, and dwarves and there have been several cards for all of those, and hundreds for goblins!

There is generally one or two themed card types per color.  The onslaught block dictated much of those types and is a good place to look to see what is and isn't a hot creature type.

Lets see if we can think them up!

White:  Soldier and Human
Black: Zombie and Demon
Green:  Elf and BEast
Red:  Goblin
Blue:  Wizard and Merfolk

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 01, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
Tribal creature decks outside what you posted.

Tree folk, faeries, halflings, vampires, birds, spirits, angels, cows! Samurai, kitsune, elementals, slivers , rats, snakes
They didn't even put a token dwarf in boros

I do agree with the archetypes, but the lack of good dwarfs is lame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 01, 2013, 12:32:11 AM
Yeah, there really aren't many dwarves.  But you know how it is, when they set creature types, after "The Dark" they pretty much decided that Goblins are red's creature.  Even orcs are garbage.

Yeah, Wizards has pretty much decided goblins are the red tribe.  They tried to play with that expectation in Odyssey and switched all the colors' traditional tribes around, and it just annoyed people and made Odyssey block's creatures play less well with other blocks'.  That said, what dwarves they have printed have been pretty much 100% un-amazing.

I'm a soldiers guy, so I have no complaints.  Only tribes that beat soldiers are goblins and elves.  Maybe wizards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 01, 2013, 07:38:03 AM
Not zombies? We all find that zombies stomp pretty much anything...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 01, 2013, 10:38:00 AM
They tried to play with that expectation in Odyssey and switched all the colors' traditional tribes around, and it just annoyed people and made Odyssey block's creatures play less well with other blocks'.

But isn't that more because so many of the cards were bad?

Squid-people tribe, amazing idea! Oh, they all suck. Lame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on April 01, 2013, 07:15:30 PM
There are some dwarfs, but not that many:
||subtype=+[dwarf]]http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?type=+[dwarf]||subtype=+[dwarf] (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?type=+[dwarf)

I hoped they would continue printing dwarf type cards, when they made Shadowmoor & Morningtide...

2 dwarfs are good and fun in an EDH deck:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3440&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=39869&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 01, 2013, 07:52:44 PM
Shadowmoor dwarfs are nasty gobliny things!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=150975&type=card)

Booo, they don't count.


The two non-basic land hating dwarfs are good. I nearly made an EDH deck with all the non-basic hate in (those plus things like price of progress and ruination). I'm glad I didn't though, because the few times we've played EDH no one has used a significant number of non-basic lands!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 01, 2013, 08:10:41 PM
Not zombies? We all find that zombies stomp pretty much anything...

Absolutely nothing compared to goblins.

My Food Chain deck runs on the following:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/on/205.jpg)
(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/on/207.jpg)
(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/evg/42.jpg)
(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/us/191.jpg)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=157937&type=card)
(http://8e8460c4912582c4e519-11fcbfd88ed5b90cfb46edba899033c9.r65.cf1.rackcdn.com/sales/cardscans/MAGUSG/goblin_lackey.jpg)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=15417&type=card)
And then the generator for all of them:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/mm/246.jpg)

This isn't just a theme deck, it is a consistant turn 4 - 5 game ending deck.  Not just a sometimes, but almost always.  If the game gets past turn 8 or 9 it is because you had a horrid opening hand or you are just screwing around.  And it doesn't matter what deck you are facing either.  This will mince through vintage, legacy, anything where it is legal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 01, 2013, 09:14:13 PM
I am hoping to get on in about 1/2 hour... Incase anyone is around!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on April 02, 2013, 04:00:05 PM
I am hoping to get on in about 1/2 hour... Incase anyone is around!
Do you guys use Cockatrice?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 02, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
We use GCCG, it's googleable. Totally free and every card possible. Very handy, even if it has a few annoying features.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 02, 2013, 11:23:57 PM
Finlay, it goes Reach Through Mists, Peer Through Depths, Sift Through Sands, Unspeakable!

Not really worth the effort though.


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=50459&type=card)


I like the theme though. Very HP Lovecraft!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 02, 2013, 11:33:30 PM
unspeakable isnt good enough to have 12 cards in deck just for him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 02, 2013, 11:36:04 PM
unspeakable isnt good enough to have 12 cards in deck just for him.

Yeah, but they're all decent card draw spells on their own.  Toss 1-2 The Unspeakable into your blue Kami block control deck and it wouldn't be terrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 02, 2013, 11:39:42 PM
Yeah, the cards don't give much card advantage, but the unspeakable is good.  If you aren't playing competitive, then it is a good deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 02, 2013, 11:40:51 PM
Sorry I missed you earlier Fin, I had been deck building and I left it on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 02, 2013, 11:46:41 PM
I'm going to make an unspeakable deck, unless I get bored half way through doing it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 02, 2013, 11:49:17 PM
Guess we won't be seeing an unspeakable deck...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 03, 2013, 12:19:47 AM
Ha ha, I just made one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 03, 2013, 06:47:47 PM
I expect I'll be magicing it uo again later. Rocking my new imp deck! Expect new levels of uselessness!

I thought the faeries would be good but I think some tribes just need their rarer cards to be nasty!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 03, 2013, 11:13:16 PM
unspeakable deck = sucks.  ::heretic::

The three card thing is unbelievably frustrating, and the rest of the deck did nothing. Rage delete!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 03, 2013, 11:50:43 PM
I don't know what Unspeakable is. But that seems rather appropriate.

Had quite a bit of success with my pauper 'cowards and muggers' deck. They all have to hold hands to attack, but they are cheap and big so it's ok!

Imps, bit blah, but they were taking on humans, which is never easy.


And i hate slivers now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 04, 2013, 12:32:51 AM
And i hate slivers now!

I've ALWAYS hated slivers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on April 04, 2013, 07:10:15 PM
And i hate slivers now!

I've ALWAYS hated slivers.
I love them! They are fun in EDH :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 04, 2013, 10:16:05 PM
The unspeakable combo worked! Hurrah!


But then aggroed by finlays!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 08, 2013, 08:32:09 AM
Dragon's Maze previews start today:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/dragonsmaze/cig#


Not many yet... interesting that the guild gates are getting new artwork. Also:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/ryxz2gdvip_EN.jpg)

Split cards you can cast both halves of at once!


And double-guild ones too:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat242b_bc_rkazwpn53l.png)


Izzet planeswalker!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/pwnx7gvean_EN.jpg)


Izzet legend guy!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/9tj1o1qqve_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 08, 2013, 09:14:57 AM
free, duplicated instants or sorcerys.
oh
dear.


I'm not sure I like the idea of the fuse spells.
Toil's the same as sign in blood, so you spend one mana more for the privilege of card versatility. Does that slow it down too much or is it worth it?
Although actually maybe that’s cool because you can use it early for big burn, use it if you need to draw, or use it late game to finish opposition- say they had 3 cards in hand, cast both versions of them, 7 life gone.

I like the idea of mixed guilds though! Simic and azorius, using birds! That card looks designed for me.
Shame it’s probably too expensive mana wise to ever actually use.

I think I like the idea in theory, but probably not in practice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 08, 2013, 09:23:57 AM
The Izzet wizard still has to pay the casting cost of the spell on top of the deck! Not free.


Toil/trouble looks a bit rubbish, but maybe there will be some good ones for the other guilds.

Not sure I like double-guild ones, because I'm not keen on playing 3-colour.


Quote
That card looks designed for me.

Yes! That's why I posted it. But yes, 8 mana.


Anyway, this set looks like it should be fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 08, 2013, 09:43:02 AM
I like 3 colour but it needs dual lands. But the problem is you dilute the theme mechanics maybe. Maybe that’s not a problem if you’re not making strict guild decks anyway.

Oh, not so bad then. Maybe not that good, 6 mana is expensive! Duplicate burn with some guttersnipes out would be good, though.

8 mana and not really that good for it. It’s out soon isn’t it! Hope it doesn’t mess up gccg for me again



Where did you find the simizorius card, I can’#t see it on the link you sent?

Also (http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/4w72fiy99c_EN.jpg) looks quite good. Rescues one of your creatures. Are there other, cleverer/more useful ways to use “return own creature to hand”?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 08, 2013, 10:31:29 AM
Izzety wizard is a bit expensive. Especially since copies don't count as being cast, so won't trigger guttersnipe. The article talking about him goes on about using him with brainstorm and other things that aren't in standard.


Dragon's maze is out in early May I think. Maybe gccg won't break now you have your new computer?


Where did you find the simizorius card, I can’#t see it on the link you sent?

Some of the cards I posted aren't in the gallery yet - but they are in articles about the new set on the magic site.


Yes, deputy is quite handy. Good if you have creatures with 'comes into play' abilities, like detain. Plus blocking tricks, dodging removal (escaping from 1000 lashes!), and all that. Not bad at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 08, 2013, 10:48:08 AM
I don't like sideways cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 08, 2013, 11:12:55 AM
They're a bit hard to read on the computer!


More previews here:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/dragons-maze-spoiler.html


I like 'wear/tear' and 'render silent!'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 08, 2013, 11:58:58 AM
I don't like sideways cards.

This made me laugh.

Render silent! a good counterspell!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 08, 2013, 12:15:37 PM
Render silent! a good counterspell!

Much better than cancel!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 08, 2013, 12:26:46 PM
one more mana than counterspell, but for an actual good effect.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on April 08, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
Toil/trouble looks a bit rubbish, but maybe there will be some good ones for the other guilds.
Toil/trouble seems to be designed for EDH, especially the Rakdos decks.

There are some nice things coming our way with the new release.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 08, 2013, 08:52:24 PM
guild gates aren't getting new artwork so much as they are giving the entire image.  The previous guild gates were zoomed in images of the larger structure apparently.  Neat idea!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 08, 2013, 09:10:11 PM
I like 'wear/tear' and 'render silent!'

Both very good cards...I love wear/tear for my various Boros incarnations...it's better than disenchant.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 09:09:40 AM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/7isqwv12oz_EN.jpg)

That ability sounds impressive, but... I don't think so.


How about:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/f1pzw91i9c_EN.jpg)

Yeh!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 09, 2013, 10:26:58 AM
Vorel! Yes yes yes. Good ability. I also like his flavour text. Hope he’s not too expensive.

Rakdos one will have to be paired with flying, or unblockable or something? Gruul charm- not allowed to block!
And he does kill anything which blocks him, so probably quite decent? Just not as good as it looks initially.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 10:47:47 AM
I don't think vorel will be too expensive. He doesn't look overpowered - just a very handy Simic card. I definitely want one!

Master of cruelties is a lot of mana, and you can just feed him 1/1 ghost tokens or whatever. He's OK, but not as scary as that ability makes him look!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 09, 2013, 10:56:15 AM
He only needs to get through once though.

BR doesn't have much other than removal and burn to clear the way for him, and he will be very open to removal himself.  He looks like one of those $1 rares.  Neat, but not a tournament regular.  His big issue is that he can't ever finish anyone.  But in BR, you should always have a burn card to wrap things up.

Build a deck around him and he is an alright win condition.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 09, 2013, 11:49:36 AM
But if the theme of this set is mixed guilds, you can mix rakdos in with something else to give make him evasive (off the top of my head- gruul. Better creatures than rakdos. Good burn. Gruul charm so he can evade.) There must be other ways to make things unblockable or flying too. 

Also, I wish I’d bought 4 master biomancers when they first came out. Stop going up in price!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 09, 2013, 11:55:02 AM
HEck, just cut in blue and you can get that enchantment, what is it called, way of the thief?  +2 +2 and unblockable as long as you have a gate.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 12:01:51 PM
I think the point with master of cruelties is that he is ok, and can be effective in the right deck. But you could win a lot faster and more easily with a straightforward aggro deck.

We'll see in a month or so!


Also, I wish I’d bought 4 master biomancers when they first came out. Stop going up in price!

They've gone down a bit, I think. Ģ7 at magic card trader, which is expensive but not outrageously so.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 09, 2013, 01:06:44 PM
I think the point with master of cruelties is that he is ok, and can be effective in the right deck. But you could win a lot faster and more easily with a straightforward aggro deck.

We'll see in a month or so!
oh, yes, agree with that then. He is only 4 mana though

Quote
Also, I wish I’d bought 4 master biomancers when they first came out. Stop going up in price!

They've gone down a bit, I think. Ģ7 at magic card trader, which is expensive but not outrageously so.

I thought I'd watched an auction finish just over Ģ20 for four... maybe not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
I thought I'd watched an auction finish just over Ģ20 for four... maybe not.

Maybe! But it would be atypical.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 09, 2013, 01:23:46 PM
Vorel is a man? Why is he wearing a bra?

Also, his ability is awfully mirrodinish isn't it Rufus?  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 01:35:09 PM
Vorel is a man? Why is he wearing a bra?

He's a merman. Like in Zoolander!


And his ability is clearly simic-y, not mirodin-y!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 09, 2013, 01:40:21 PM
Duplicating counters... Dodgy!

Next you'll be putting poison in your decks.  :wink:

That rakdos guy, I think you could set up a deck all around him just fine... But it would probably get walked over 50% of the time and get an annoying win the other 50%. Are there any standard cards that sac a creature to do damage. Would be an amusing way to end...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 01:42:01 PM
Grrrr!  :icon_evil:


Are there any standard cards that sac a creature to do damage. Would be an amusing way to end...

'Fling' is in dark ascension, or one of those.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 09, 2013, 02:01:04 PM
yes, agree on the 50% die and 50% annoying win!

for you, siby.
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141135&d=1365480307)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 02:03:50 PM
Instant 5/5 trample wurm!  :icon_eek:

Horrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 09, 2013, 05:42:15 PM
Yay!! I get goodies too.  :biggriin:

...wurm goodies!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 09, 2013, 07:38:17 PM
do you even have a selesnaya deck?

or just want an instant 5/5 trample wurm for 4 mana. Cheap!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 09, 2013, 07:50:20 PM
I have a relatively unsuccesful selesnya deck which that would likely improve!

I also have a very succesful pauper selesnya deck which it will be no use at all for.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 09, 2013, 09:18:50 PM
worst rare evar!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=42190&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on April 09, 2013, 09:55:37 PM
Could be nice in a green black graveyard deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 09, 2013, 10:25:47 PM
true! but I dont do grave stuff.

but also, what if you drew one shitty creature, and 4 lands.

then it sucks ass!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 10:29:08 PM
Definitely not the worst ever!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 09, 2013, 10:49:19 PM
So expensive for something your opponent can influence!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 10:50:54 PM
True!

We're doing onslaught sealed. It's confusing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 09, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
Oh god Rufus, it is such a fantastic set!  If you like creature type theme decks, there was nothing better. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2013, 10:59:32 PM
Yes, we had some decent games! Need to do constructed tribal decks from it next.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 09, 2013, 11:04:11 PM
it led to 2 good, close games.

One was a curb stomp, where rufus got cabal executioner out before I got anything out! everytime it attacked, it killed a creature. sad times.

I drew (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=39863&type=card)

but didn't like the rest of my black cards.


wizards tribal next!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 09, 2013, 11:34:26 PM
She rules!  I have four in my binder
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 08:47:53 AM
Orzhov legend!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/inoog6pejv_EN.jpg)


Nice, but 7 mana is a lot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2013, 09:39:44 AM
Fuck her!

Thank god she is seven mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 09:58:33 AM
I wish she had the same ability, but lower power/toughness so she cost 4 or something!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 10, 2013, 10:44:00 AM
Finlay speaks the truth. She is evil!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 10:50:34 AM
You guys hate the things I love!  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 10, 2013, 10:54:31 AM
And you hate all the things we love!

It's all part of the happy circle of hate!  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
Imagine if we got that orzhov lady out vs you… can’t attack, cant block it (so 4 damage a turn) have to hope draw removal.
It’s almost an insta win, albeit slightly less so than the ghost council (harder to remove)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
Given proper cover or hexproof and she will be a BEAST.

Under the current system, Orhzov is a little less aggro than the original Ravnica block, so extorting to stay ahead and gain control long enough to pull her isn't an unheard of scenario.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2013, 11:51:37 AM
I literally never beat orzhov.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 11:56:48 AM
I run a BWU Orhzov based deck right now.  Blue splash (sphinxes revelation, augar and snapcaster) with extortion in the lovely art of the ORhzov block is a blast.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 11:57:34 AM
so extorting to stay ahead and gain control long enough to pull her isn't an unheard of scenario.

This is a good point! Orzhov is stall-tastic, so she might not be as impractical as I thought.


It's not an orzhov deck if you've got blue in it, Phil!


Quote from: Finlay
Imagine if we got that orzhov lady out vs you

Rage!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 12:00:00 PM
But it is Azorius!  So I am still totally Lawful Evil!  A little Lawful Neatrality shouldn't take away from that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 12:08:48 PM
I want to make an orzhov-azorius deck. Maybe there will be some good cards to use in dragon's maze.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2013, 12:24:14 PM
not even just extort stall- the enchantments and even HPoP.

Has anyone looked at the gatekeepers yet? I likle the idea in theory, but think they are totally not balanced with each other.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 12:43:20 PM
I hate stall decks except when I'm using one. I'm so unreasonable!


I did see the gate keepers. You're right, those abilities aren't all worth the same amount. Still, it's nice to see 'if you control some gates' cards that actually do something worthwhile.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2013, 12:49:02 PM
i thought the white one looked good.
red looked good if the opponent had a big creature!

The blue one looked bad.

I guess you could look at the cmc for the abilities and judge them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
The blue one is 'draw a card,' right? That's good! White and black are good for sure.

Green is just gain some life, which is a bit dull. Red is very situational!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 10, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
You know in alara they just call blue white black esper...

I liked esper, lots of artifacts though which I guess may make rufus cringe!

I reckon boros/gruul (naya!) could be nifty. I reckon it was already alright so this set may make it even more so...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 03:12:10 PM
The best card of this block is by far Sphinx's revelation.  People splash blue exclusively for that card!  RWU is a VERY strong color combo right now, as is BUW.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2013, 03:16:53 PM
Sphincter revelation with thragtusk and restoration angel.

BORING.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 03:17:51 PM
WUG is gross right now!

Snapcasting sphinx is good too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 03:19:38 PM
We don't use the overused cards like sphincter and wankcaster mage!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 03:21:19 PM
If you played real cards you would have even more trouble doing so!

Sphinxes were $17 each and Snap casters were a "steal" at $20.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2013, 03:23:33 PM
plus delver, right?

SNOREEEEEEE
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 03:27:58 PM
I think delver is out of favour, Finlay! Not been seen much since magic12 left standard.


Sphinxes were $17 each and Snap casters were a "steal" at $20.

They cost even more in the UK! I think all magic cards cost more here.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 03:28:34 PM
Hey, it isn't the same when you are dropping $250 - $300 on a deck Fin! 

If you have every card ever made, in as great a quantity as you like in front of you to use, it s totally different.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2013, 03:37:01 PM
personally, I find it boring to see all the same decks and cards dominating standard play.
“lets copy some archetype some dude made” is uncreative and boring.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 03:50:33 PM
Which is why we rarely play people we don't already know on GCCG!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 05:13:38 PM
personally, I find it boring to see all the same decks and cards dominating standard play.
“lets copy some archetype some dude made” is uncreative and boring.

Yeah, but it isn't all the same.  People add their own flare to them.  Likewise, the games are played differently by everyone.  There is a real skill difference between the top table players and others, even using the same deck.  I am always blown away by some of those guys!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
It annoys me when people talk about skill in games!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 08:40:01 PM
 :biggriin:

It is true?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2013, 08:42:29 PM
I'm a bit drunk, so I'm not sure what you mean!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 10, 2013, 08:55:57 PM
Supposed to have said it is true!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 11, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
Um, yeh.


Anyway: Izzet split card!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/td/td242_4_juhna278zk.jpg)

Like! Using this in my guttersnipe deck for sure.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 11, 2013, 10:38:40 AM
thats fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 11, 2013, 10:45:32 AM
Well, it's pretty good at least!


Also:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/qehtyz52hp_EN.jpg)

Probably good in an aggro deck: you need to be able to keep emptying your hand to get the extra card.


Azorius legend:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/26jx9g7yi7_EN.jpg)

Boring!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 11, 2013, 10:51:31 AM
most of the split cards are too expensive and not that good. That one has 2 useful spells, and when combined kills anything in the game.

I was actually just about to post blood scrivener. Aggro, or graveyard use? Put it in the zombie one, get things into graveyard and out of hand. Combine with this, and graveyard use. (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141226&d=1365653568) If you use graveyard, and have double card advangate, might be cool.

I think they’ve released all the guild legends now?
The azorius one looks quite good. Need to get him flashing in and out of the battlefield ideally- I think you can do that in standard.

"Instant    Uncommon
Until end of turn, creatures you control gain "When this creature dies, it deals 2 damage to target creature an opponent controls." (cant post a picture, because card is spanish) looks good!


(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141220&d=1365653080) does this give everyone double mana?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 11, 2013, 11:13:03 AM
Yes, turn/burn looks very handy to me. Once problem I have with my izzet deck is creatures that are out of range of normal burn spells.


Hmmm, discard cards to something, then draw more with the scrivener? While doing golgari graveyard stuff. That could definitely work. Not sure I like the discardy demon though.


Still missing some legends I think - there should be 10 altogether. The azorius one probably is good, especially if you flicker it in and out with cloudshift or restoration angel or whatever... it's just a bit dull compared to some of the others.

Red/black exploding creatures card: need a swarm of token ghosts or something!


The giant boar or whatever it is does give everyone double mana. High tide for all lands!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 11, 2013, 11:14:20 AM
Blood scrivener seems pretty amazing when you think that zombies are already way too good right now. Throw this guy in to make sure you can keep drawing... It's almost a zombieish counter to mass appeal  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 11, 2013, 11:19:41 AM
The issue with that ancient is that he will give your opponent an entire turn of that double mana before you get to reap the benefit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 11, 2013, 11:23:18 AM
And that your opponent continues to benefit while you do. But he is undercosted a bit for his body (although should have trample). I don’t think he’s good and won’t be using him- just posted him.

Combo him with the legend who hurts people for casting non creatures, then massively slam someone with a huge "x cost" burn
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 11, 2013, 12:32:28 PM
Combo him with the legend who hurts people for casting non creatures, then massively slam someone with a huge "x cost" burn

Nasty aggro gruuuuul decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 11, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
a crap combo that will almost never come off!

I want to try it though, and definitely want to try the discard hand plus graveyard use stuff!


Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 11, 2013, 12:45:37 PM
I was sure you were going to gruul me to oblivion in 5 turns last night rufus. Got lucky with what I got out though. Huge werewolves that can't be hurt for a turn and then one pumping out 4/4 dogs each turn was nasty. Outgruuled gruul!

I still am not sure what the 'best' guild is. I wonder if some do better vs certain things than others too which makes it harder. Gruul for example isn't as devastated by the -1/-1 curse as say azorius or orzhov. But then those guys can take a lot of removal because they have stuff constantly appearing where gruul can run out of creatures fast...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2013, 08:25:21 AM
I hate werewolves!


Look, putrify reprint!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/9ezmjl6zzy_EN.jpg)

They should do mortify too.

Simic card draw!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/ubwj298vno_EN.jpg)


Mill-o-clasm. Lame.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/vmyqzh1s5f_EN.jpg)



The precon decks have the guild champions!

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1210 (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1210)

Want!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on April 12, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
I'll probably buy the Orzhov intro pack.
The champion is to nice, not to have :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2013, 10:30:09 AM
I think I want the Orzhov and Simic ones, and maybe the Azorius one too!

The front cards on these are far better than those on the other intro decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 12, 2013, 10:39:08 AM
putrefy is amazing! Just say no to mortify, mr orzhov man!
What's the other really good green black remove at the moment? I think it only targets 3cmc or less

Mirko Vosk might just make dimir viable on his own. Dangerous card!

I really like the simic card draw one. I’m not convinced at all by the card draw they have at the moment.


Precon decks! How much are they? Why haven’t they made one for each deck :( I might end up buying gruul and simic! Are there full card lists out?


Also they call the guild legends "maze runners". just fluff?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2013, 10:50:51 AM
Abrupt decay is the other golgari removal spell. So now they have two amazing ones! Scary.

Really, really want mortify to be reprinted!

I hate milling, so I don't like Milly Vampire McMill. He's good though.

Bred for the hunt looks very useable! Fair cost for the effect. Better than fathom mage or whatever else there is. I feel like I definitely need that for my simic deck. It's good with elusive krasis.

Well, they normally do four or five intro packs for an expansion, so ten would be a bit crazy! Even though it would make sense. They've chosen three of my favourite guilds though - only missed Izzet. No card lists yet, because they haven't shown the whole expansion so far.

I think they cost about Ģ12 retail, but you can get them for Ģ9 or 10. Full deck including at least one good rare (one more rare as well that may or may not suck) + 2 boosters = good value!

The maze runner thing is part of the story (all the guilds are exploring a maze for some reason), but it might have some mechanical implications too. I don't know.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 12, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
And that your opponent continues to benefit while you do. But he is undercosted a bit for his body (although should have trample). I don’t think he’s good and won’t be using him- just posted him.

Combo him with the legend who hurts people for casting non creatures, then massively slam someone with a huge "x cost" burn

That was what I was thinking.  You will have the advantage in that you will be more likely to have burn ready in your hand or deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 12, 2013, 11:14:44 AM
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141264&d=1365739943)

WANT WANT WANT

WANT
WANT.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 12, 2013, 11:17:33 AM
This Return to Ravnica block has the most amazingly good, low cost, underpriced creatures I have ever seen!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2013, 11:18:52 AM
Renegade krasis!  :icon_eek:

Also want!


Maybe it will be in the intro pack! Probably not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 12, 2013, 11:21:34 AM
Basically the only simic card I want which is too much money is master biomancer. I hope these ones don’t go into that realm! I really want the card draw, and the supermultievolve krasis, and simic legend.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2013, 11:25:22 AM
He's not mythic, so he shouldn't cost too much. He's surely not a boris reckoner!

The legend is in the intro pack, so he'll be cheap. And the card draw one is uncommon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on April 12, 2013, 11:42:20 AM
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141264&d=1365739943)

WANT WANT WANT

WANT
WANT.

Woah! As a Green/White player, that is a must have creature!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 12, 2013, 07:10:53 PM
That guy would make a surprisingly amazing addition to an ally deck... similar function to the minotaur guy who pumps everyone... infact the two of them in tandem... gulp...

Outside of that I dislike him already!

Putrefy looks nice. I'm liking golgari as it is, though as with most guilds, not played as it is supposed to be (graveyardy). Just some good cards in there (Trestle troll, woo!).

Might have to hone a golgari deck once the new set hits to try and take on your guy's nasty orzhov, azorius and boris decks...

Right now I have to rely on werewolves or oddly played dimir (which strangely does alright!).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2013, 07:15:30 PM
Yes, your weird Dimir beats me up a lot!

Golgari have some good cards, but I don't like their theme much.


Also, renegade krasis is good with unleash creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 12, 2013, 07:17:07 PM
Putrify should replace abrupt decay in almost every deck.

Did you not play during the original Ravnica block Siberius?  Mortify and Putrify were rock solid versatile removal cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
Putrify should replace abrupt decay in almost every deck.

Are you kidding?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253561&type=card)


No, Phil! I'll have both.



I demand mortify!

Mortify!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 12, 2013, 07:27:26 PM
Putrify should replace abrupt decay in almost every deck.

Did you not play during the original Ravnica block Siberius?  Mortify and Putrify were rock solid versatile removal cards.

I came in midway through  Alara and played through Worldwake (in real life). Hence I think why I have such a strong pull towards both sets.

Yes, your weird Dimir beats me up a lot!


Still not sure why.  I think my escape cards are handy vs your enchantments, my kill cheap creature cards work nice and if I get out the -1curse... tasty! I mainly like the fact I can play a blue/black deck without it being all zombie/horrorish... more based around rogues and stuff. And barely a milling in sight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 12, 2013, 07:31:11 PM
I would certainly use both!

But if I could only have one or the other, it would be Putrify.

Mortify is awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 12, 2013, 08:00:14 PM
Putrify should replace abrupt decay in almost every deck.

(http://media.tumblr.com/6e03f673ba78184eaa4ab8183f019716/tumblr_inline_miwf7qtHvo1qz4rgp.jpg)

Also, renegade krasis is good with unleash creatures.
Hadn't thought of that! black, red, green looks pretty good


I definitely want to try and make golgari and selesnya decks



I wonder which guild benefits most from new set. So far the simic stuff seems really useful. So does the izzet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2013, 08:49:04 PM
Definitely we need to see more cards before we can tell who gets most from the new set. Though 3 excellent simic cards already = good!

I want the new cards now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2013, 11:58:58 PM
Notes to self:

- Orzhov the crap out of Finlay next time we play!

- Make a better Izzet deck than Siby.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 13, 2013, 02:14:27 AM
Bit awkward when that guy was asking for my deck.  :|

I think if you can kill the guttersnipes though it really doesn't have much going on. I was just lucky that fin wasn't using removal. And could not draw forests.

You gonna use weird's rufus or are you determined to prove they are not as good  :wink:.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 08:54:01 AM
No weirds, they suck! I still think goblin tokens + teleportal is a good way to izzet-win.


Good dimir card alert!

(http://8e8460c4912582c4e519-11fcbfd88ed5b90cfb46edba899033c9.r65.cf1.rackcdn.com/sales/cardscans/MAG_DGM/x4u8zTfpwzQD2cpy.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 13, 2013, 10:02:13 AM
I'm gonna use a Ģ2.40 card in a "real" deck.

 ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 10:25:32 AM
Criminal!

What is it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 13, 2013, 10:29:20 AM
armada wurm
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 10:30:38 AM
Is that all it costs? Cheap mythic.

I left it out of my selesnia deck because it's not allowed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 13, 2013, 11:09:19 AM
I love playing sealed with old things and finding epicly shit cards.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=23063&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=23052&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 11:10:55 AM
Wow, amazing!

4 mana for a +1/+1 counter.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 13, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
That dimir card is ok. Dunno if it will make it into my deck though...

Are you guys still doing sealeds? If you are done with kami I will happily make a deck   :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 13, 2013, 12:21:34 PM
yes invasion sealed siby.

It's super multi colored!

I also have an onslaught sealed I made a while ago. not sure if rufus still has his. plan to be back on tonight
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 13, 2013, 01:44:19 PM
What does invasion involve? Is there 3 sets, 2 from each kinda deal?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 03:20:35 PM
Just about to make my invasion sealed deck. I think we're doing 6 boosters just from that. Nothing from the other two sets in the block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 13, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
Oh dear. I already made one from all 3 sets  :|
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 03:35:54 PM
Never mind, it's much the same!

I hope you both made bad decks. Because I did.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 13, 2013, 04:28:48 PM
Mine is slow and rubbish! But fun if I make it past turn 5 I hope!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 04:34:22 PM
Mine is slow and has bad cards. But I'm hoping that's because it's a slow set with a lot of bad cards in it!

I got the white version of that leech Finlay posted. Why!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 13, 2013, 04:37:41 PM
Its really hard to get over the awful creatures.

Also, not sure if I should try tri colour!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 04:41:09 PM
I did two colours with a splash of a third, because I didn't have enough cards in the deck otherwise.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 13, 2013, 04:54:40 PM
Ditto Rufus, and I changed my splash colour part way through.... Almost splashed up to 4 but that is risky!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 10:16:04 PM
Invasion = boring stall game with rubbish cards. Booooo!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 13, 2013, 11:11:48 PM
Hmmm... mostly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2013, 11:33:47 PM
We didn't even finish the game. Mostly because I sulked!

Apparently, when I play magic I am either complaining all the time or being insulting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 13, 2013, 11:59:43 PM
Anyone else going to a Dragon Maze prerelease event?  I just had my buddy sign me up for the midnight tourny.  All the boros slots were taken already, so I had to settle for Selesnya  :-(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 14, 2013, 12:26:04 AM
Apparently, when I play magic I am either complaining all the time or being insulting.

So it is exactly like it is on WE.com?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 08:25:34 AM
Not going to a prerelease, no!


Phil: yes, exactly.


Mythic simic!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/rtdk3u41zz_EN.jpg)

Self-copying clone.


Simic split card:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/mm/mm243_gt_72ja65hkmi.jpg)

Not too sure about this one.


'Cluestones'

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/p3i454jscp_EN.jpg)



Oh, and:

Quote
Plasm Capture  uugg
Instant    Rare
Counter target spell. At the beginning of your next precombat main phase, add X mana in any combination of colors to your mana pool, where X is that spell’s converted mana cost.

Mana drain! Sort of.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 09:41:11 AM
16 new cards and you only posted 4! Simic legend looks fun if not probably a bit ineffective. The simic split card looks quite good. Increasing savagery 5 counters for 4 mana though
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 10:23:17 AM
Posting too many at once is probably annoying. Did I miss any good ones?

I think I'd rather have increasing savagery than that split card. And bred for the hunt to draw cards.

The mimic needs to copy your own master biomancer really!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 10:29:06 AM
They really seem to be pushing draw card for simic, which is cool as it can be very good.
My basic simic plan as it stands is to get a turn 4 savagery on an elusive or drakewing krasis, and use that to win. If it doesn’t happen, the deck loses.
So the split card gives you a watered down savagery, as well as card draw to help you find. I’ll definitely try it. Although yeh, the enchantment looks great!

You missed the doomdiver goblin! Haven’t looked properly yet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 10:34:19 AM
Doomdiver goblin upset me! He's awful.

Random targeting = epically annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 10:38:11 AM
If it was random targeting of enemy It might be funny. Also, bad art!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 15, 2013, 10:39:34 AM
Each half of give and take is good, but as a fused card it is far too much mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 10:44:55 AM
3 mana for 3 counters is bad compared to savagery which is 4 mana for 5 counters, and has flashback.



oh, all the new cards were just cluestones!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 15, 2013, 01:08:55 PM
Yes, but it is a dual card.  It gives the option for either.  I wouldn't generally use a counter adding card.  The card draw effect is the real winner.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 03:30:45 PM
I wouldn't generally use a counter adding card.

In a simic deck you would!


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oh, all the new cards were just cluestones!

Ah, I thought I couldn't have missed that many new cards!

I don't think I like the cluestones. 3 mana is too much. Nice for sealed though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 03:45:18 PM
cluestones suck ass. Awful cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 03:48:16 PM
Ha ha. Well, they do. Nice pictures though!

They're just common color-fixers for limited games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 04:14:40 PM
I like the flavor text on the boris, simic, izzet and selesnya ones.
rakdos flavor text is ultra lame!

its a waste of 10 cards out of a 176 set, to me. It should cost no mana to sac it for draw.

so you can play it early gamer for mana and late game for draw


They haven’t released any more dual guild spells, like flesh and blood. (black, red and green.) I’m expecting more!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 04:17:20 PM
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141258&d=1365739313)

really good.

good!
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141373&d=1366039131)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 15, 2013, 04:32:44 PM
That hydra is insane! Double strike very tasty...

I guess primordial is still perhaps better... But it reaches a limit anyway once you start doubling over 20or so it is a bit overkill so the doublestrike one is nearly as good...

I like that other selesnya one too. 4 of those in my deck please!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 05:17:36 PM
Both will be too expensive for 'real' though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 05:42:46 PM
Voice of resurgence needs a pillar of flame right in the face. That'll teach him to be a smug stag-man!

The hydra is quite nasty! I don't like double strike.


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It should cost no mana to sac it for draw.

Yes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 15, 2013, 08:23:28 PM
Yeh thay hydra, put in 2mana for 4 total and he is already a 2/2 doub strike that you can pump any time you want! Ouchy.

I kinda assumed once the new set hit we'd have a little period of anything goes again before we got all fed up of the stupidness of some of them and go back to real  :icon_razz: but I am happy whatever. I have been enjoying real a lot more.
It's a bit like warhammer without special characters...better!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 15, 2013, 08:43:12 PM
I like the cluestones...they'll see lots of play in limited and EDH.  I play Mind Stone in all my EDH decks, for instance. 

I'm pissed that Voice of Resurgance is a mythic.  It's bad enough that Wizards starting printing format staples at rare, now they're printing one at mythic. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 08:45:04 PM
Too good to not be mythic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 15, 2013, 08:52:40 PM
Too good to not be mythic!

That's not how rarity is decided, though...at least according to Wizards.  Rarity is supposed to be determined primarily by complexity and how often they want an effect to show up in limited.  Voice of Resurgance isn't much more complicated than Doomed Traveller, a common.  It is much more powerful, so I could see it at uncommon or rare, but making it a mythic is pure money grab.  Mythic rare is supposed to be for complicated cards and giant beasties, not efficient 2/2s that will be played in multiple formats.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 08:57:54 PM
I thought they flat out said the made good cards mythics on purpose?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 15, 2013, 09:02:34 PM
I thought they flat out said the made good cards mythics on purpose?

I can't think of many mythics that see a ton of standard play.  Besides Giest of St. Traft, is there any?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 09:12:24 PM
I can't think of many mythics that see a ton of standard play.  Besides Giest of St. Traft, is there any?

Well, all of these at various times: sphincter revelation, bonfire (of the vanities) of the damned, falkenreath aristocrat, huntmaster of the fells, the ghost council, Olivia Voldaran, thundermaw hellkite, quite a few planeswalkers.

Not an insignificant number!


I don't really like mythics, but they don't annoy me as much as they used to.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 15, 2013, 09:26:31 PM
They're much easier to tolerate when you don't have to buy them, :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 09:29:16 PM
I do buy mythics! Cheap ones...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 15, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
I can't think of many mythics that see a ton of standard play.  Besides Giest of St. Traft, is there any?

Well, all of these at various times: sphincter revelation, bonfire (of the vanities) of the damned, falkenreath aristocrat, huntmaster of the fells, the ghost council, Olivia Voldaran, thundermaw hellkite, quite a few planeswalkers.

Not an insignificant number!

I don't really like mythics, but they don't annoy me as much as they used to.

I stand corrected, then.  But all of those above fit my previous description of what a mythic ought to be: legends, complicated cards, and cards that they want to very rarely show up in limited.  I still maintain that Voice of Resurgance is none of the above.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 09:38:18 PM
Oh, I agree!

Mythics only exist for financial reasons.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 09:43:20 PM
Well, I cant really talk about standard play as in tournament standard play.

master biomancer is certainly crucial for a good simic deck, although I expect guild specific decks are not played in tournament.

I've read about angel of serenity being tournie played on the wizards site. and rakdos' return i think.

is armada wurm not played? trostani? jarad? entreat angels? primordial hydra?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 15, 2013, 09:47:41 PM
I badly want to make a good simic deck that doesn't use master biomancer now... when people say stuff like that I just want to prove them wrong for some reason!!  :-P

Hence my landkill deck (didn't prove anyone wrong there!). Trying to think what else... but if I were to do it, I'd have to try and make a non real one which I can't really be bothered to do what with both of you playing simic so much and the fact we always play 'real'!

EDIT

Incidentally trying to get on now but it won't let me for some reason!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: Finlay
I've read about angel of serenity being tournie played on the wizards site. and rakdos' return i think.

is armada wurm not played? trostani? jarad? entreat angels? primordial hydra?

Yes, I forgot angel of serenity and entreat the angels. Rakdos's return is used a bit, I think, but it's not that great.

You can judge how much a mythic card is played by its cost. On Magic card trader: Jarrad = Ģ0.80, armada wurm Ģ2.40, trostani Ģ2.60, primordial hydra Ģ4.80, entreat the angels Ģ8.20.

Meanwhile, geist of st traft is still at Ģ17.



Quote from: Siberius
Incidentally trying to get on now but it won't let me for some reason!

It seems to be broken tonight.


I think you need master biomancer if you want to stand a chance against ghost councils and other such cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 15, 2013, 09:58:49 PM
Broken?  :icon_eek:

Now what do I do??

I guess I could do something useful....  :|


Quote
I think you need master biomancer if you want to stand a chance against ghost councils and other such cards!

Probably! But that makes me all the more determined!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 10:04:14 PM
I guess I could do something useful....  :|

No, don't do that!  :icon_eek:


I think you should make your funny simic deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 15, 2013, 10:06:47 PM
True, I just remembered I can still make decks!!

-Do I have to stick to Simic them exactly? Or can it just be mostly simic with some other stuff thrown in (blue green of course!).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2013, 10:07:27 PM
me and rufus both have simic decks without the biomancer.

What I mean is, if you were pkaying more competetively than us, you need him!

although according to rufus' "price idea" then biomancer is played a fair bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
-Do I have to stick to Simic them exactly? Or can it just be mostly simic with some other stuff thrown in (blue green of course!).

You can use other blue or green stuff (I certainly do - undying is good with evolve).


Quote from: Finlay
although according to rufus' "price idea" then biomancer is played a fair bit.

Yes, it falls down a bit there... I think biomancer isn't in demand by tournament players really, but a lot of people want it for casual play. Same with temporal mastery.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 15, 2013, 10:43:58 PM
Aren't most of the high dollar cards regular rares anyway?  Most mythic rares are in the middle of the rare price range from what I have seen.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 15, 2013, 11:25:11 PM
Aren't most of the high dollar cards regular rares anyway?  Most mythic rares are in the middle of the rare price range from what I have seen.

Right, that's kindof my point.  Most constructed "staples" are printed at rare, not mythic.  The other thing common to the list of constructed mythics that Rufus rattled off is that they aren't going to be very played once they rotate out of standard.  Voice of Resurgance will be good in many formats for a long time.  It's ugly that they printed such a card at mythic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 16, 2013, 12:14:36 AM
Made my unbio simic in about 5 minutes. Probably sucks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 16, 2013, 03:52:40 AM
Sphinxes revelation is a great card.  Will still see at least moderate use I bet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 16, 2013, 08:17:16 AM
Orzhov!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/p6ijmzcjky_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 16, 2013, 08:24:24 AM
I was nervous for a moment till I saw lifelink and realised you'd never use it  :wink:

That guy is weird. He looks like some kind of monk stripper.  :?

Very nifty though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 16, 2013, 08:29:16 AM
I might use it! Pro-white and black makes it hard to kill.


He looks like some kind of monk stripper.  :?

He does! Creepy in the wrong way. Awful name too (such an awful name that it should be a rakdos card).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 16, 2013, 08:37:41 AM
Some more cards:


Leave Muzzy Izzet alone, Boris!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/omcafohuj1_EN.jpg)


7/7 indestructable!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/qr2v7bm2r0_EN.jpg)


Underwhelming!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/lhtm4acecs_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 16, 2013, 09:46:54 AM
Awful name, bad art, and a rule rufus would never use. Surely we wont have to play that, siby ;)

Why is legions iniatitive mythic? What is the exile effect for?



Why are you cross towie, the fact that it’s mythic will push its price even higher than if it was rare?
Which goes against the pattern of normally most mythics are not the most expensive cards?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 16, 2013, 09:55:18 AM
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141404&d=1366085409)

=

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6d/BioShock_cover.jpg/256px-BioShock_cover.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 16, 2013, 10:27:46 AM
Fine, I'll just use Teysa instead.

I love the cyclops! Izzetacular! He's a kiln fiend with better toughness.


Quote
Why is legions iniatitive mythic? What is the exile effect for?

It's a funny one. I suppose you can exile them in response to a supreme verdict, then come back attacking next turn. Though boris charm can already do it for you. Good if you have a lot of creatures with 'comes into play/leaves play' abilities? Bad if you have a lot of tokens (since it kills them).


Quote
Which goes against the pattern of normally most mythics are not the most expensive cards?

Mythics are the most expensive if lots of people want them! Just because the supply is lower.

The ridiculously overpowered jace from worldwake was something like Ģ40.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 16, 2013, 10:35:17 AM
Orzhov beats me all the time anyway, so it doesn’t matter what you use!

Is there a particular standard archetype built around comes into/leaves play abilities, which it mingles with nicely?



yeh, that's why I'm asked, I'm a bit confused!

I think that's towies point though, they shouldnt print mythics which lots of people want? I guess it's a position against mythics in general.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 16, 2013, 11:08:49 AM
I do lose games with Orzhov!


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Is there a particular standard archetype built around comes into/leaves play abilities, which it mingles with nicely?

I don't know really. Maybe! You could just use it with detain.



But they have to print popular mythics, or people won't buy enough cards. Mythics were introduced in the first place to boost sales. They won't do that if all of them are weird, niche cards like enter the infinite.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 16, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
Ouch! Boris just got even better... That enchantment for just 2 mana is a bit crazy...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 16, 2013, 11:22:32 AM
 can you use that enchantment to block everything, then exile your own stuff so they don’t die in the fighting but still stop the damage going on you?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 16, 2013, 11:24:02 AM
Yes, you can do that. Then attack next turn.

It won't be much of a surprise though, since the enchantment will be sitting right there in front of you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 16, 2013, 11:27:56 AM
yes, but stops people attacking you while you buff them!

or can do it from hand for 4 mana
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 16, 2013, 11:40:13 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253539&type=card)

compare that to resurgance.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 16, 2013, 11:54:56 AM
Good point. It would be weird to make stag-man the same rarity as that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 16, 2013, 07:34:47 PM
Why are you cross towie, the fact that it’s mythic will push its price even higher than if it was rare?

Yes, exactly. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2013, 09:03:33 AM
This would be ok as an instant:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/nukwzhq1qa_EN.jpg)


This is expensive!
(http://images.community.wizards.com/community.wizards.com/user/alexscence/1df035e2ffc44dadf9f396e53ae2ccbc.png?v=174541)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 17, 2013, 09:14:24 AM
Hurrah more dual guild cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2013, 09:23:19 AM
There ought to be ten at least, I think?

I want an orzhov/azorius one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 17, 2013, 09:54:17 AM
the ones they've shown are not balanced.
In fact all the fuse cards are really imbalanced
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2013, 10:06:37 AM
Hmmm, I'm not sure about that. We need to try them out!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 17, 2013, 12:08:52 PM
What do you mean unbalanced?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2013, 12:11:39 PM
What it normally means, I expect!

Some too good, some too bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 17, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
most of the fuse cards are too expensive mana wise, but some are not.

They should, in an ideal world, all be about the same level of goodness.


Did you see the 5 different coloured "maze" cards? Not sure about them
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 17, 2013, 12:17:14 PM
Ah, I thought he was saying they were too good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2013, 12:19:19 PM
It would be nice if the fuse cards were all equally appealing. Just like all the guild leaders and champions should be equally good.


Did you see the 5 different coloured "maze" cards? Not sure about them

Oh, I did. I don't like them much.

Again, they are probably OK in sealed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 17, 2013, 12:20:28 PM
It would be nice if the fuse cards were all equally appealing. Just like all the guild leaders

obzedat says hi!

but yes, that's what I meant.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2013, 12:22:53 PM
obzedat says hi!

That was my point!

They should be equally good, but they aren't.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2013, 10:29:31 PM
I wish 'epic experiment' didn't suck.

It's sad when casting it for 2 and getting a searing spear and a krenko's command is the best use I've ever had out of it.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2013, 09:29:40 AM
Decent card:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/57h5itbztr_EN.jpg)


Recurring Gruuuuuuul goblin:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/w4isz86nkg_EN.jpg)


Selesnia token queen:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/6piyw9v1cz_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 18, 2013, 01:42:43 PM
They all seem pretty decent. Especially the first one. I guess I need to go check out the spoiler site though. I'm more curious about the commons with all the pauper and 'real' standard we play.  :-P

(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/bredforthehunt.jpg)
This looks not pleasant. With those krasis around...

The 'maze' creatures look pretty handy... eg:

(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/mazeabomination.jpg)


This is cool, but quite a lot to cast...

(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/trostanissummoner.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2013, 01:59:56 PM
I'm definitely going to use bred for the hunt. It's great. Hey, if a creature with double-strike is ublocked, does it damage the player twice and so trigger this twice? I think so. Though you need red or white for double strike.

I'm still hoping for a good instant-speed card draw spell for Izzet! Reprint 'telling time' or something.


Summoner is demanding to be flickered so that it resummons all those things.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 18, 2013, 02:17:40 PM
Yes to the double strike.

As for the warleader's helix, it is a pretty poor substitute for lightning helix!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2013, 02:22:31 PM
Double strike is better than I thought then. Hey, there's a vampire with double strike that gets a counter every time it damages a player. So it goes off twice every time it hits! I didn't realise that.

Lightning helix is definitely better, but this one's not too bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2013, 04:05:22 PM
Quote
Dragonshift   1ur
Instant    Rare
Target creature you control becomes a 4/4 Dragon with flying until end of turn.
Overload 3{U}{U}{R}{R}

All my goblins are actually dragons!

Izzzzzet!   ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 18, 2013, 05:27:08 PM
Response electrickery... Oops all your dragons are toasted  :-P

Though I guess you're talking guttersnipes in which case not so much!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2013, 08:14:34 PM
But electrickery is rubbish, as we know from that random guy on the magic site!

Dragonshift is probably no better than teleportal, really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 18, 2013, 08:32:08 PM
It's nice, but you wouldn't want them in your opening hand or anything.  :-P

Very nifty for a proper goblin deck though. I guess if you overload it you will often win.

Also I forgot it's unboosted is only 3 so it's nice even in your opening hand!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 19, 2013, 08:21:44 AM
I think I'll stick to teleportal.


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/9zvg9tfcm2_EN.jpg)

6 mana sorcery. No! Well, I might try it.


Morphling update:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/vhlr9buvxs_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 19, 2013, 01:39:25 PM
Blast of genius is too expensive.  That said, if you used another card to stack your library and know a higher cost card is coming, then you could have an advantage, but it is a bit too much work for the mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 19, 2013, 02:03:42 PM
The best thing to roll blast of genius into is... Blast of genius! I think you'll get annoyed with it Rufus, but only one way to find out...

Aetherling seems really rather handy. As long as you keep a bit of mana spare, he should never die! And you can make him unblockalble hitting at 8! Ouchy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 19, 2013, 03:44:42 PM
He is too expensive though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 19, 2013, 03:53:36 PM
That said, if you used another card to stack your library and know a higher cost card is coming, then you could have an advantage

Or you might already have a high-cost card in your hand, ready to discard to it. You don't have to discard one of the three you drew.

I think it sucks though. For six mana it should draw me more cards, cause more damage, and also make me a cup of tea. At instant speed.


Quote from: Siberius
I think you'll get annoyed with it Rufus

I think I'm already there!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 19, 2013, 03:57:12 PM
Good point on the card in hand rufus.  That card lets you use any card as a direct damage burn while also offering card draw.  Really not a bad trick!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 19, 2013, 04:48:16 PM
That guy is so not too expensive in a green/blue wall deck...

He's the perfect weapon in it as he won't die so you can put your axebane mana into pumping him to 8 unblockable.

In non mana ramp decks, you might be right. In my wall deck thougj he suddenly looks better than all those 8 mana angels and whatnot. Unblockable is just so not get aroundable  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 19, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
nice card, bad art

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=141531&d=1366344195)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 19, 2013, 09:42:29 PM
I am on right now by the by!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 19, 2013, 10:08:28 PM
Unflinching courage = almost the same as armadillo cloak from invasion.


I hate 'curse of death's hold!  :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 19, 2013, 11:15:15 PM
Quote
Tithe Drinker   wb
Creature - Vampire    Common
Lifelink
Extort
2/1

Syndic of tithes, except it loses 1 toughness and gains lifelink. Good!


This one I don't understand:

Quote
Profit // Loss
   2w//2b
Instant // Instant    Uncommon
Creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn.
//
Creatures your opponents control get -1/-1 until end of turn.
Fuse (You may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand.)

Why does it cost 6 mana to do the same as this card?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=368542&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 20, 2013, 12:36:09 AM
Different set and meta.  Theoretically you could use the fuse card in decks not featuring the other color... though I am not sure why you would bother.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 20, 2013, 06:04:04 AM
Zealous persecuting too cheap, the new one too expensive!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 20, 2013, 08:42:36 AM
Double failure then!

Profit/loss is awful.


By the way, that MTG salvation forum is complaint-tastic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 20, 2013, 09:56:18 AM
Rufus, isn't that at least 2 lifelink cards you've liked now... This could be trouble...

I nearly played my lifelink decl against you last night but decided I'd whip out the blistercoil beatdown instead  :icon_razz:. It's pretty effective, though you were mean to my weird pretty early!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 20, 2013, 10:03:23 AM
I think lifelink is fine in moderation!

Also, as you often tell me, I only hate things when they are used against me, not when I use them!  :icon_razz:


I nearly played my lifelink decl against you last night

After I'd already rage-quit on you once? You sadist!  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 20, 2013, 10:35:37 AM
You know how it is, I love lifelink so much!

I am liking the look of the new set so far. I can see some potentially really nasty cards but I like all the flavour and whatnot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 20, 2013, 10:47:36 AM
Some nice stuff...
(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/deputyofacquittals.jpg)
Very handy. 2/2 for 2 plus an escape for something at instant. What's not to like?

(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/notionthief.jpg)
Nice counter to card drawing guys. Could combine with the lose 2 life draw 2 cards to get a draw and hit them for 2!!

(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/varolzthescarstriped.jpg)
I like this because you can scavenge without using scavenge! And hard to kill. I'd make a deck round this guy... plus he might make a nice friend for my favourite trestle troll!




I hate cards like this though. Way too much text. I never even bother reading them. I just assume they are rubbish and move on...
(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/possibilitystorm.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 20, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
I definitely like deputy. It gets bonus theme points because it can get a creature out of an 'arrest' or a '1000 lashes'... lawyer-tastic! It also cures a stab wound though, which is a bit harder to make sense of... but never mind.

Scar troll boss is decent and cheap to cast.


Quote from: Siberius
I hate cards like this though. Way too much text. I never even bother reading them. I just assume they are rubbish and move on...

Ha ha, me too! It's traditional I think to have incredibly random red cards with loads of text that no one ever bothers with.


More new cards:

Quote
Pontiff of Blight 4bb
Creature - Zombie Cleric    Rare
Extort
Other creatures you control have extort. (If a creature has multiple instances of extort, each triggers separately.)
2/7

Not sure about this one. 6 mana again! But it gives all your lingering souls tokens extort, which is amusing.


Quote
Gruul War Chant 2RG
Enchantment
Each attacking creature you control gets +1/0 and can't be blocked except by 2 or more creatures
Uncommon

Stupid gruul!


Quote
Hidden Strings 1U
Sorcery
You may tap or untap target permanent, then you may tap or untap another target permanent
Cipher Common

Playable cypher card?



Edit: apparently, Mortify is not in the set.  :icon_sad:

I think it's unfair to put putrefy in but not mortify!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 20, 2013, 11:15:14 AM
Scar troll is definitely good enough to build a deck around, and in fact I intend to!

There was an article about it on wizards listing all tricks it is good for, was interesting,
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 20, 2013, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: Finlay
Scar troll is definitely good enough to build a deck around, and in fact I intend to!


Everyone break out the anti-graveyard cards!


Quote
Crypt Incursion
   2b
Instant    Common
Exile all creature cards from target player's graveyard. You gain 3 life for each card exiled this way.

Dear Mr Scar Troll,

No!


Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 20, 2013, 03:23:09 PM
Here's a thought. You have a graveyard deck with 10 in your gy.

Someone crypt incursions for what they think will be a great turnaround but then you respond with your own crypt incursion for a 60 life swing! (Them not getting 30 + you getting it!).

Or just a useful way to sneak a win. If you swing with all your creatures. Then on their turn they think they have you but you exile your own graveyard and then get them next turn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 20, 2013, 04:11:54 PM
Then they respond with rakdos charm and nuke your graveyard before either crypt incursion resolves!  :icon_razz:


I'm on a losing streak. I got battered by Siby last night and then again by Finlay today. I need to just play Orzhov all the time!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 20, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
You've always gotta have a losing streak breaking deck on hand when you need it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 20, 2013, 04:23:04 PM
But if I switch to Orzhov and still lose it will crush my spirit!  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 20, 2013, 04:50:23 PM
That's the danger...

Oddly, dimir seems to have become my go to deck. It seems to have answers for most things without being too spectacular at anything.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 20, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
I was so excited about Ravnica back in 2006.  I was pumped up for Dimir since black blue was always my favorite color combo.  I was disappointed with the mechanics for the deck though and shifted to my Ghost Husk as soon as Guildpact was released.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 20, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
My dimir is actually not very dimiry at all! No cipher, no milling.

Might use that new cipher card rufus pointed out though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 20, 2013, 06:57:43 PM
I really don't like dimir.

Still, I used to absolutely hate simic, but now I love it. So who knows how I'll feel about dimir in the future.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 20, 2013, 08:08:50 PM
My dimir is more simicy than dimiry. Lots of weird creatures :P

It's weird I like it at all. I am usually a white/green/black person. And only black if mixed. But you know, sometimes you gott try new stuff!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 22, 2013, 08:25:48 AM
Full card list for Dragon's Maze!

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/dragonsmaze/cig#
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 22, 2013, 08:29:20 AM
this is cool, and good, and common. evolution trigger?

me likey!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/atsw69b1rf_EN.jpg)

what's the point of this?
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/hx907vdaoj_EN.jpg)

this looks quite interesating, but i think the base mana cost should just be u/g not 2ug
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/96z09nsfzg_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 22, 2013, 08:52:10 AM
INSANELY GOOD COMMON
gruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulllllllllllllllllllllll

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/5u9o70q417_EN.jpg)

I mean that overload cost is just way way too low.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 22, 2013, 09:06:02 AM
Beetleform mage: it's annoying to have to keep paying the mana cost to boost it. And it's just a 2/2 for evolve. OK though.

Species gorger is to trigger evolve. I like the fluff text on that one! Squidflies!

Krasis incubation is dual-purpose - you can use it to 'arrest' enemy creatures as well as to boost your own.

Weapon surge you can't use in Gruul because it's an Izzet card!  :icon_razz:  Not sure it's that good anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 22, 2013, 09:14:31 AM
but useful for when you dont have anything else to spend mana on!

krasis incubation is too expensive to use as a boost though. As i said, I like the idea, but the mana cost is too high.

weapon surge looks seriously amazing to me. Trapping attacking people. even just to do extra damage.

good gruul card!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/q4ogyc0vq0_EN.jpg)

I don't like the big gruul cards though, the zhur taa ancient or giant.

 orzhov got lots of good stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 22, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
Yes, angry druid is good.

orzhov got lots of good stuff.

Ha ha, I was just thinking that they didn't! There's not much there that they can't do already. Where's the good stuff?

Simic gained a huge amount!


I like this for Azorius:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/kdzusu18wp_EN.jpg)



I'm a bit surprised this turned out to be real:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/4eiaad6r8k_EN.jpg)

Delver-killer, far too late!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 22, 2013, 10:01:24 AM
Hey, wind drake: what are you doing here? You know you're already in magic2013, right? Watch out for skylashers!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/xkc4wxlgoc_EN.jpg)


Anti-Siby card!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/n1588hd72b_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 22, 2013, 10:34:42 AM
Well, this costs one less on the white side than the spoiler said. Still lame though!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/0tkyglg4ph_EN.jpg)


These amuse me!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/46e40la1so_EN.jpg)


Quite like this too:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/ifri0i8ikk_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 22, 2013, 10:47:38 AM
M13 Wind Drake flies away in a couple months but he refuses to leave the block!  Dragon Maze wind drake lets him remain for another year or more!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 22, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
bronzebeak moa amused me too! but dont think its that good.

blaze commando looks very good. there is also another hasted boris which got a +2/+2 buff when its first cast. Haste really helps boris maintain the battalion threshhold

I didnt see skylasher, I only looked through the guild sections. weird!
yeh I liked that azorius ascender dude. handy.

good orzhov stuff.:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/p6ijmzcjky_EN.jpg)


tithe drinker is good and i think profit and loss is too.
sin collecter maybe.

hmm, less good orzhov stuff than I thought!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/ayvg4v2m1s_EN.jpg)
I really lkike this art, apart from the stomachmouth. I love the gold head statue! It reminds me of Alexander of Abonoteichus and his fake snake god stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 22, 2013, 11:00:34 AM
My favorite ohrzov card is the new 2/1 life link extort for 2 mana.

ALso, the girl who gives everything extort is okay, but so expensive.  Tesya should be in EVERY SINGLE ORHZOV DECK.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 22, 2013, 11:02:09 AM
tesya is good, but expensive!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 22, 2013, 11:04:32 AM
She is, but she is a real bomb.  When she hits the table she is a finisher.

Most orhzov decks are a slow burn type, meaning they can aggro a little early, but then they bleed you to death.  They are a flawless example of aggro/control.

She would probably be easier to use in a ramped orhzov though, but I mix blue in mine, not green.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 22, 2013, 11:10:06 AM
good points. stab wound, 1001 lashes to slow people down till they can get her out. extort to let you survive a little longer.

Obsedat is a finisher as well tjhough, and for 2 less mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 22, 2013, 06:25:30 PM
Waah, too much to take in!

I am hating simic more and more but that's mainly because both of you play it and it's got some decent stuff coming along...  :-P

Gonna check out the commoner dimir stuff and see if I can find more decent stuff to make me more cheerful...

(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/pilferedplans.jpg)
Not bad for a 2 card draw I reckon.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/woodlotcrawler.jpg)
Um, ok against simic I guess... useless vs Orzhov and Boris though...  :|

(http://mythicspoiler.com/dgm/cards/haunterofnightveil.jpg)
Rufus should like this guy. I quite like him too... but I dunno if he'd make it into my deck. Good at rendering multi small guys useless on the attack though which is always handy and he can't just be burned off in one go...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 23, 2013, 12:27:16 AM
Overall, I'm pretty disappointed with Dragon Maze.  About half the cards seem overcosted, especially the split cards.  I like Wear/Tear (correctly costed removal), Ruric Thar (for my EDH general), Gaze of Granite (new Pernicious Deed!), and the indestructible Boros guy.  The rest is pretty meh, other than a few efficiently-costed creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 23, 2013, 12:12:21 PM
Only five double-guild cards? I think there should have been more.


bronzebeak moa amused me too! but dont think its that good.

I don't know, they could get pretty big! Attack, cast midnight haunting (for two instant ghost tokens) and the ostriches get +6/+6! I'm going to make that deck.


Why is all the dimir art full of blue and purple glowing stuff? It looks cheap!


Haunter of Nightvale gets points for being a ghost, but loses them for being blue/black. Booo!


Orzhov-wise, I'm not sure I can get over how stupid Blood Baron looks, even though he's quite nasty. I'll probably just use Tithe Drinker and Teysa.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/38c07n7m7y_EN.jpg)

Not that different to extort-man and extort-bat, also for two mana. But I may as well use all three.


I want to know what's in the intro packs now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 24, 2013, 08:51:44 AM
Intro pack decklists:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1218


Disappointing! Too much land, lots of bad cards.

Second rare in each pack not from dragon's maze!


Why put this (3 copies!) in the Orzhov deck:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369044&type=card)

When you could have this, which is better but still isn't very good:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=253558&type=card)

Or, how about more extort creatures instead, at the same cost and rarity!

And who on earth wants 27 land in their deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 24, 2013, 10:56:42 AM
You do get the guild champions, which is awesome.  But you are right, what the hell is with the 26 - 27 lands?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 24, 2013, 11:16:49 AM
The intro decks for gatecrash and RTR had 25 or 26 land, but these have 26 or 27! Far too much, and quite misleading for new players.

I wish they'd leave out bad core set cards. Silver coat lion again in the Azorius one? 3 centaur coursers in the Simic deck? Can't we have more Simic creatures instead?

2 guttersnipes in the Rakdos deck, when there are only 5 instants or sorceries to trigger them?

I think the Simic one is OK, though I'm disappointed it doesn't have renegade krasis.


Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 24, 2013, 12:33:35 PM
I might buy the simic one.

Gyre sage is quite expensive, I think.

centaur coursers are to evolve stuff I guess, the simic 3 mana creatures wont be 3/3s.

I like the trample beast! didnt see that before. One more mana but doesnt need blue, for trample vs a shambleshark
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 24, 2013, 12:57:38 PM
How much are they?

I only what the Tesya and the tithe drinkers for my orzhov deck.  I will probably just buy them separately.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 24, 2013, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: Finlay
Gyre sage is quite expensive, I think.

centaur coursers are to evolve stuff I guess, the simic 3 mana creatures wont be 3/3s.

I do think the simic one is worth it, even though it's not ideal. It has bred for the hunt, and most of the new simic creatures.

I don't like gyre sage much, but it's better than some of the alternatives they could have chosen.

Coursers aren't ideal for evolving things, and anyway suck!


Quote
I like the trample beast! didnt see that before. One more mana but doesnt need blue, for trample vs a shambleshark

Ah, but shambleshark has flash, and better art! Hammerhead beast is OK though.


How much are they?

I only what the Tesya and the tithe drinkers for my orzhov deck.  I will probably just buy them separately.

I think $15 or so? They do have two boosters with them. But yes, probably cheaper to get Teysa and the drinkers separately.

So much junk in the orzhov deck! Too few extort creatures, and no cheap spells to take advantage of extort.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 24, 2013, 02:03:40 PM
Most internet people think Teysa is rubbish, by the way!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 24, 2013, 02:19:22 PM
I wouldn't run it in a competitive deck.  Ozbedat is the kill in a good deck.  Tessa has no protection and is expensive.  Se hits late game and gets killed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 24, 2013, 02:22:39 PM
Tessa has no protection

Except from creatures!  :icon_razz:



Question!

I have a goblin electromancer (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=253548) in play, and want to cast turn//burn, fused:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369080&type=card&options=rotate90)

Is the cost of each half reduced by one (so total cost 1UR)? Or is it one overall (total cost 2UR)?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 24, 2013, 02:37:06 PM
yeh, she's too expensive to use "competetively"

gyrse sage is Ģ1.80 on magic card trader, so the deck is almost worth it purely for that, vorel, and the two boosters perhaps. I certainly like the enchantment, and getting to try the other simic creatures.

courser isnt great, was just saying why they had it maybe!
at least they are more "on theme" than those Ģ20 decks!

I never use the flash. If it had 2 toughness you could flash it in to kill a 1/1, but to flash it in to evolve something to kill something never happens for me.


Rufus, I would say 2ur, purely because the situation somewhat came up with the artifact I was using in kamigamihawa and that us what gatherer said!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 24, 2013, 02:49:16 PM
The Ģ20 decks are good though! My Boris one is great!

But I will get the Simic intro pack.

How can you not like the mighty fishcrab! You need to keep one at least for luck.


Rufus, I would say 2ur, purely because the situation somewhat came up with the artifact I was using in kamigamihawa and that us what gatherer said!

Ah, I thought we had a similar situation before, but I couldn't remember what it was! OK then. Still a good card!



On an unrelated note, this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369006&type=card)

Gives extort to creatures who already have it, so they can extort twice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 24, 2013, 02:52:30 PM
gyrse sage is Ģ1.80 on magic card trader

Now you mention it, crypt ghast is 2.20, so maybe the Orzhov deck isn't too horrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 24, 2013, 09:12:24 PM
Question!

I have a goblin electromancer (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=253548) in play, and want to cast turn//burn, fused:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369080&type=card&options=rotate90)

Is the cost of each half reduced by one (so total cost 1UR)? Or is it one overall (total cost 2UR)?

I think both halves would be reduced, actually.  Fuze seems to treat them as separate spells ("you may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand"), in which case they'd both be reduced.  That's just my interpretation, though, not an official ruling.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 24, 2013, 09:39:44 PM
That would be good! I hope it does work that way.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 24, 2013, 09:48:16 PM
I guess old snipe will be hitting for 4 too then... Ouchy!

Edit.

Also skeletons seem to always be rubbish in magic. So of course I had to make a skeleton pauper deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 27, 2013, 03:44:23 PM
Dragon's maze is up on GCCG!

What are we doing, deck-building-wise? Normal standard?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 27, 2013, 04:45:26 PM
Played in the midnight prerelease last night/this morning.  After six rounds of swiss, I finished third and won 10 packs.  I was beat when I got home at 0730, but had a great time.  Dragon Maze sealed is verrrrry slow...I won a silly number of games with the Rhino populate card.   :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 27, 2013, 05:09:12 PM
I thought the same thing, looking at the set.  It looks like a bucket of cold water to slow down decks since so far, RTR has been a BLAZING fast set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 27, 2013, 06:31:51 PM
I thought the same thing, looking at the set.  It looks like a bucket of cold water to slow down decks since so far, RTR has been a BLAZING fast set.

Yep, pretty much.  I did have a Boros player swing at me for 10 on turn three, which is insane for a limited deck.  But although I lost that game (although I almost stabilized at 3!), I won the match.  My only match loss was to a deck with so much flying that I couldn't deal with it all (I only had two hard removal spells in my deck, and that was par for the course).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 27, 2013, 07:48:57 PM
I think i'm in agreement with you towie on general underwhelmment of dragon's maze.

NEED MOAR DUAL GUILD
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 27, 2013, 07:53:29 PM
In looking at it, sealed would suuuuuck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 27, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
rufus, did your programme just have all the new cards in?

mine hasnt worked, even though I ran update everything

never mind, i did it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 27, 2013, 09:32:40 PM
In looking at it, sealed would suuuuuck.

Yeah, I think that's why they gave us the two guild-specific packs with cards from the first two sets, in addition to the Dragon Maze packs.  It just doesn't play very well by itself; but as a third set in a block, the prerelease is the only time you'll see so much Dragon Maze cards concentrated in your pool.  I think the full-block drafts will be very interesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 27, 2013, 09:52:24 PM
There just aren't enough staple effects.  Everything is so linked to the guild concept (and honestly, not very effectively) that it is a mess.

I would love to see a special set exclusive to Ravnica, using the first block and this second block.  The issue there is that finding enough of the first block to really mix would be tough for newer players.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2013, 10:13:43 AM
are we using dual lands on gccg for a bit?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2013, 10:40:46 AM
are we using dual lands on gccg for a bit?

Yes, I think we should try normal standard for a bit, with everything allowed!

The prices of the new stuff will take a while to stabilize anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2013, 11:18:30 AM
yeh, agree on the price stabilization, but just thought maybe not to the dual lands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 28, 2013, 11:20:32 AM
Come on guys, the dual lands aren't overly expansive, nor are they game changing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2013, 12:21:09 PM
Philly arguing about something we've already argued about, without the correct context :p

At the moment we have been playing so called 'real standard' which is our own made up format, which disallows anything which costs over Ģ2 on the magic card trader.com
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 28, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
Which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2013, 01:08:24 PM
why?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 28, 2013, 01:14:53 PM
Because the price of a card isn't a very good representation of how good it is.  A shock land isn't significantly better than a gate, despite being 2000% higher in price.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2013, 01:29:50 PM
our games have been better using that format, therefore it is not ridiculous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 28, 2013, 01:43:55 PM
I suppose but it is a pretty strange thing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2013, 02:05:00 PM

Stop telling me how to have fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 28, 2013, 02:18:56 PM
Never!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 28, 2013, 03:56:40 PM
It's true that the $2 hasn't totally answered the issues with good games,but I honestly think they have been the most even games we've had of all the various restrictions we have tried.

Even pauper has problems cos you have the whole range to pick from and there are some things that are so good, even for commons.

I will make some unreal standard decks too though cos it would be fun to try everything for a bit till we start with the hating of each other's stuff  :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
Exactly, its led to better games between us for how we want to play,

Money probably does have a general link to how god cards are as well, although of course not in every case.
It has helped weed out the total game ending cards, and has been as good a composition as we've found, despite it being an arbitrary limit,
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 28, 2013, 04:53:13 PM
And the best thing of all... It killed rancor!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2013, 05:14:57 PM
does anything cycle out of standard when dgm is released?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2013, 07:06:33 PM
I'm going to start posting in character as Phil. It will be easy!


Quote from: PhillyT
A shock land isn't significantly better than a gate

Yes it is; you know it is; shut up!  :icon_razz:


Quote from: Finlay
does anything cycle out of standard when dgm is released?

No, nothing leaves until the first set of 'Theros' in September. In July we get the next base set, at which point standard will contain its maximum number of cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2013, 07:51:37 PM
Oh dear. 3 consecutive biomancers. Then 15/15 arbor elf.

Followed by 'call,' producing 4 birds, each as 15/15s.

 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 28, 2013, 09:56:06 PM
Money probably does have a general link to how god cards are as well, although of course not in every case.
It has helped weed out the total game ending cards, and has been as good a composition as we've found, despite it being an arbitrary limit,

It can, but pricing also reflects the popular decks.  It doesn't necessarily mean much.  Look at how much the M13 cards have dropped in value as M14 approaches.

Price does sometimes reflect cost, but not as much as many might think.  The difference between a $2 and a $10 card can be almost impreceptable unless you see what decks people are cobbling together with them.

rufus:  No, shock lands really aren't much better.  You trade tempo for damage between the gates and them.  Unless you have a well tuned deck, you often won't need that untapped or 2 damage ability.  The M13 lands are better in the long run in my opinion.  No damage, though you do need to drop a normal land first!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 28, 2013, 10:16:36 PM
rufus:  No, shock lands really aren't much better.  You trade tempo for damage between the gates and them.  Unless you have a well tuned deck, you often won't need that untapped or 2 damage ability.  The M13 lands are better in the long run in my opinion.  No damage, though you do need to drop a normal land first!

Don't overlook the fact that shock lands are both basic land types, though.  For example, my Standard Boro Deck Wins runs both Clifftop Retreat and Sacred Foundries, making it much easier to have access to WW or 1W or 1R on turn two, which the deck wants to do reliably (since I can go Sacred Foundry followed by untapped Clifftop Retreat).  Also, turn one untapped lands are essential for aggro decks like mine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2013, 10:19:24 PM
phil's again arguing about something no one really said.

We use our own composition method to get, for us, more fun games.

Phil called it ridiculous.
But it works for us, therefor it is not ridiculous, therefore he is wrong.

so don't get drawn into a side trap argument about the merits of shocklands :P

Besides, they are obviously loads better than guildgates otherwise people wouldn't spend money on them
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 28, 2013, 10:28:53 PM
Dual lands are always higher in cost, simply because when you actually buy cards to play, they are always an improvement for a deck.  There is never a reason NOT to have them.

But the expense itself isn't a reflection on the usefulness of the card in relation to similar cards.  Is a shock land that much better than a gate?  Comparing price?  No.  M13 lands are, in my opinion, better unless you have green splash and are ramping.  Towni's point about the shock being the land type is very useful if you are ramping or using a grab card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 28, 2013, 11:05:29 PM
so don't get drawn into a side trap argument about the merits of shocklands :P

Oh, I don't care how you guys play your games.  My playgroup is actually going to start using similar rules, thanks to you guys, in order to level the playing field in our weekly games. 

I just like debating over Magic cards.  I think the shock lands are the strongest ever printed, aside from the originals.  The M13 ones are also very good, though.  The only place they lose out in relation to the shock lands is the searchability, which is a big deal to me.  Many green land search cards can only find basic land types, as can the "searchlands" (like Flooded Strand et all).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 28, 2013, 11:34:13 PM
I prefer the seed lands from Onslaught. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 28, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
I prefer the seed lands from Onslaught.

I've never heard that term.  Do you mean the searchlands?  Flooded Strand et al?  They are very good, but usually aren't considered dual lands per se.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 28, 2013, 11:50:35 PM
Yeah, stuff like blood stained mire, etc.

Combined with actual dual lands and shocks, they are even better.  They give you the land you need, plus they remove a land from your deck for later draws.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 28, 2013, 11:56:19 PM
Yeah, stuff like blood stained mire, etc.

Combined with actual dual lands and shocks, they are even better.  They give you the land you need, plus they remove a land from your deck for later draws.

Exactly.  My Boros Deck Wins (Build Your Own Block Edition) uses Onslaught, Innistrad, and Ravnica: City of Guilds, so I run 8 searchlands, 4 Sacred Foundry, and 4 Clifftop Retreat.  My mana is smooth as silk.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 29, 2013, 10:39:33 AM
Three color decks in sealed = do not like. Frustrating!



p.s. our deck construction rules aren't anything to do with land, actually.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 29, 2013, 11:34:53 AM
Only in the vaguest sense that the dual lands are all more than two pounds.

Although I think excluding them slows the game down nicely, unlike our three one sided bore fests last night
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 29, 2013, 12:09:14 PM
True, it does.


Looking at the preorder prices, the most expensive cards are the izzet plainswalker, then voice of resurgence. A big step down are blood baron and legion's initiative. Nothing else is hugely expensive so far.

Any predictions for cards that will rise in value?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 29, 2013, 05:25:38 PM
Updated the gccg today and only took me about 5 mins to complete the set, tiny collection! Could just be all the multucolour cards making it seem so small I guess. Don't see myself building a whole lot of decks around the new cards, more just filling in old decks with the odd new one that fits nicely.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 29, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
more just filling in old decks with the odd new one that fits nicely.

yup.

I hate dgm!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 29, 2013, 06:02:33 PM
That's often the way it works on the last set of a block
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 29, 2013, 06:45:25 PM
So, fiend hunter + deputy of acquittals to exile something forever: bad form?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=222007&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369084&type=card)

I remember mentioning this before, but deputy makes it cheaper to do. You cast the hunter, put his exile ability on the stack, then bounce him with the deputy. The exiled thing goes away and won't come back. Then you can recast the hunter later.

Definitely allowed by the rules, but is it a bit dodgy?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 29, 2013, 07:35:39 PM
Three color decks in sealed = do not like. Frustrating!

I ran three colors and a black splash (for one card, the Blood Baron) in the prerelease, and got third.  I only lost one game to mana problems.  But then again, I ran 7 guildgates, so that helped.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 29, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
Rufus, dodgy! So he gets t exile two things?

Towie, 7 guild gates in six packs?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 29, 2013, 07:42:18 PM
Rufus, dodgy! So he gets t exile two things?

Dodgy, but legal.  Yeah, you permanently exile a guy and end up with the Fiend Hunter back in hand to use again.  There's a Legacy deck that revolving around a similar trick with Magura of Corundor (sp?) and Karakus.

Towie, 7 guild gates in six packs?

Yeah.  One in each Dragons Maze pack, plus one from my guild pack.  I had four in my primary colors and three that made black for the Blood Baron, plus one of those walls that fetches a guildgate.  Like I said, only lost one game due to the mana, when my Blood Baron was stuck in my hand for lack of a black source.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 29, 2013, 07:43:36 PM
I didn't get a single gate in those sealed games we played last night! I had to wait until at least turn ten to cast the blood baron I had in my opening hand.


Regarding the hunter: you could do it before with lamestoration angel, but we never used that. And also it would have been 7 mana, while this is 5. I want to use this trick!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 29, 2013, 08:02:30 PM
I don't know if I would read that combo that way, but I suppose if it has been ruled legal I can't complain!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 29, 2013, 09:17:06 PM
Feels a bit conga line if you know what I mean  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 29, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
Think I just putrified Rufus about 10 times (literally) in one rediculous game...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 29, 2013, 10:35:59 PM
According to that card, I can't see it being able to exile two cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 29, 2013, 11:01:16 PM
According to that card, I can't see it being able to exile two cards.

Not at once, but in total.  You play Fiend Hunter.  Once Fiend Hunter resolves, and put his "enters the battlefield" triggered ability on the stack."  Then, before passing priority, you play Deputy of Aquittals.  Deputy of Aquittals resolves first, bouncing Fiend Hunter back to your hand, which triggers Fiend Hunter's "leaves the battlefield" ability, but there is no creature to return to play (since none has been removed by Fiend Hunter's "enters the battlefield" ability yet, as it's still on the stack).  Then Fiend Hunter's "enters the battlefield" ability resolves, exiling a creature...which will never return, since the "leaves the battlefield" ability has already resolved.  And your Fiend Hunter is back in your hand, ready to be re-cast.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 29, 2013, 11:35:35 PM
Nobody is asking how I putrified rufus so many times so I shall tell you.  :-P

Deadbridge Chant and I had 3 putrifies in my graveyard of about 15ish so they just kept getting picked. It was a terrible game though. We both kinda had a big stall going on. I had puny creatures coming out that he kept detaining. Got him down only to about 12 health before he killed himself in boredom! So we went back to cheap magic and had a lot more fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 29, 2013, 11:38:46 PM
Cheap magic is the best!

After meeting the 24+ human tokens, I am tempted to use the orzhov fuse card after all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 30, 2013, 08:38:15 AM
Electrickery has never looked so good!

And hey you still won at least so it wasn't all bad...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 30, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
That random guy was so wrong about electrickery!

So, now that we have all three sets of the new Ravnica block, which is the best one? I think it's Gatecrash!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on April 30, 2013, 10:30:31 PM
Guildpact was the best in the original one too!

Return to Ravnica was a super set though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on April 30, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
So, now that we have all three sets of the new Ravnica block, which is the best one? I think it's Gatecrash!

Anything not called Dragons Maze!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 30, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
Ha ha! Dragon's maze has some good cards in it... but, it's definitely not the best.

I think Gatecrash wins because it has better guild mechanics overall than Return to Ravnica. But it's close. If only they'd made some better Izzet cards!


Quote
Guildpact was the best in the original one too!

Gelectrode!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 01, 2013, 07:49:47 AM
As they dealt with different guilds, I don't really have a favourite per se. I have enjoyed the set though.

The only downside to having such a strongly themed set though is that it kinda encourages slightly one dimensional decks. What I mean is when you see the two land colours you know exactly what half the cards in this deck are going to be.

I try and ignore this sometimes and make decks that don't utilise the core mechanics of the guilds, for eg my dimir, but in most of the guilds it is very hard to do!

Not really a big complaint, just an observation.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 09:47:25 AM
That's true, but it was true of Innistrad's tribal decks too (oh, a zombie... so, gravecrawler, geralf's messenger.... blah blah blah).

It's probably true of most standard environments because of the relatively limited card pool.


Also, the guilds are a great theme and I really like them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 11:00:01 AM
Good point Sibelius, but colors have built in themes anyway and are often paired for those base themes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 11:03:58 AM
Hmmm, according to an article on the wizard of the coast site: the reason they didn't reprint lightning helix? Snapcaster mage.

That card ruined instants for everyone! He should never have been printed.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 11:11:08 AM
Brutal card
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 11:15:59 AM
I think the word you are looking for is unfair!

He's why I can't have any decent instant-speed card draw spells!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 01, 2013, 11:39:16 AM
RtR= azorius

GC = gruul and simic, so gc wins!

dragons maze is my least favourite expansion of any we've had in standard. hate it so bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 11:48:44 AM
RtR= azorius

GC = gruul and simic, so gc wins!


Azorius and Izzet in RTR.  (Izzet is disappointing though - not good enough!)

Simic, Boris and (most of all) Orzhov in GTC!


I think you're being a bit harsh on dragon's maze though. We've hardly played with it yet!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 01, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
irrational hatred over 5 games!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 12:19:19 PM
That sounds as reasonable as my hatred for the return to mirodin block!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 01, 2013, 04:01:12 PM
That's true, but it was true of Innistrad's tribal decks too (oh, a zombie... so, gravecrawler, geralf's messenger.... blah blah blah).

It's probably true of most standard environments because of the relatively limited card pool.


Also, the guilds are a great theme and I really like them!

True. But I was also getting slightly bored of the limited options in Innistrad too. But I think rtr more than inni forces your hand and in many ways doesn't encourage interblock building. I have seen very few inni cards popping up since rtr has come around.

I am almost at the point of trying to be untribal right now, for some variety. That's why my theoretically dimir deck works for me. It's a bit of this and a bit of that. I want to use some stuff that isn't pinned down as much. You probably noticed my golgari and azorius decks were fairly abnormal too. I just like variety and rtr and inni really lead you in very particular directions.

I will reiterate though that I have enjoyed them both a lot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 01, 2013, 04:28:54 PM
Siby, I wouldn't be surprised if the competitive decks ATM were untribal, or at least not relying on guild mechanics.

Or at least you see more of it there
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 01, 2013, 06:11:07 PM
True, but not us sensible people  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 06:26:04 PM
Really the only guild that absolutely locks you into a specific mode is Orhzov and extort.  Simic is the counter thing, but that bounces between other deck types too.  Gruul is beats, but it has always been beats so it isn't like there is a specific guild mechanic or anything driving it.  Dimir still doesn't work great, since milling is only so so.

Boros does use the battalion, but I don't think it is necessarily the win condition of most of the decks for Boros necessarily.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 01, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
I'm not even meaning so much the mechanics as the cards. When I see what guild rufus or fin's deck is, I probably know what 90% of their cards are going to be, and it's not their fault, it's just the way it leads you. Why would you do simic without the unblockable guy, pteradactyl thing and simic charm?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on May 01, 2013, 07:12:49 PM
Hmmm, according to an article on the wizard of the coast site: the reason they didn't reprint lightning helix? Snapcaster mage.

That card ruined instants for everyone! He should never have been printed.  :icon_sad:

Seriously?  That really makes me angry.  Lightning Helix is one of my favorite cards ever.  Powerful but not broken, good art, and a beatiful thematic execution of the Boros guild.  The Helix imposter that they printed is awful.  At CMC 3 it would've been playable, even if they kept the damage/life gain at 3.  But at CMC 4 there are just too many other better spells.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 07:31:44 PM
I'm not even meaning so much the mechanics as the cards. When I see what guild rufus or fin's deck is, I probably know what 90% of their cards are going to be, and it's not their fault, it's just the way it leads you. Why would you do simic without the unblockable guy, pteradactyl thing and simic charm?

True, but the mirrodin block was the same.  Everything ran around ravager/cranial and then some colors sprinked in.  Kamigawa was jitte/pithing needle and whatever colors you felt like building around them.

The Ravnica blocks are least create the opportunity for 8 versions of decks that do very different things.  You may know what those decks are going to look like, but they are at least different in their approach.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on May 01, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
The Ravnica blocks are least create the opportunity for 8 versions of decks that do very different things.  You may know what those decks are going to look like, but they are at least different in their approach.

Also, both Ravnica blocks (and especially the second one, with the gates) make it easy to make three- or even four-colored decks.  You can see that in standard right now, where most of the decks are running three colors and very few basic lands.  Of course, you guys banned shock lands, so that makes it tougher to play the environment as the creators intended.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 01, 2013, 08:03:33 PM
I liked alara  :-P. Very easy to run 3 colours but you could weed it out to just 2 too. Or be crazy and go 5...

But yeh, I guess most of the blocks push you in a certain direction when it comes down to it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 09:40:42 PM
I still hate three color decks, and alara!


I have seen very few inni cards popping up since rtr has come around.

Really? Lingering souls, doomed traveller, tragic slip, fiend hunter, young wolf, pillar of flame, gather the townsfolk, champion of the parish...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 09:52:30 PM
There are still plenty of Innistrad cards still being played.  What is happening is that some people seem to be trying to begin their conversion to RTR in preperation for the set to roll out in Sept.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
That's ages away!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 09:54:29 PM
Depends.  If you want to make money back, you need to move some of those cards now.  Strike while the iron is hot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 10:00:52 PM
I don't buy expensive cards! Waste of money.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 10:02:18 PM
If you are actually playing in a competitive setting it is required.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 10:04:40 PM
I know, but why would I want to?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 10:06:53 PM
Why pay anything at all for cards?  Print the images off and glue them to bicycle cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 01, 2013, 10:07:35 PM
Personally, I felt a bit like it was "cheating" to use non guild cards!

of course it isn't, just how I felt.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 10:09:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyT
Why pay anything at all for cards?  Print the images off and glue them to bicycle cards!

Why say anything reasonable in your posts? Why not just type random words!


Quote from: Finlay
Personally, I felt a bit like it was "cheating" to use non guild cards!

It is! Unless they fit the theme. Lingering souls is totally orzhovish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 01, 2013, 10:17:19 PM
It is! Unless they fit the theme. Lingering souls is totally orzhovish!

Nah it's totally cheating!  :engel:

And rufus, you should give philly a break sometimes. He's just letting us know what happens in the real world. Just because we exist in our own little bubble, we can't pretend that other people don't play differently! Well, we can if we change the name of the thread to "Real Magic the gathering...the gathering thread"  :-P.

But Philly and Towi play in a different atmosphere.

I guess maybe I was wrong about people not using inni cards now. Maybe it's just that it feels like I don't see them anymore, which is an entirely different and less correct thing!


ps. Where is everyone?!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 01, 2013, 10:21:02 PM
But I like teasing Phil!  :icon_razz:


Quote
ps. Where is everyone?!

Sorry, can't play tonight! Maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
I can take it!

I spend far less than my friends.  I get exactly what I need and that is it.

My buddies are hating life right now.  All three each bought 2 boxes of dragon maze.  And it sucks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 01, 2013, 10:26:20 PM

Sorry, can't play tonight! Maybe tomorrow.

Boo! Well I will just have to make a bunch of really annoying decks with which I will drive you mad next time!

Talking of deck colours, I am still a big fan of mono colour decks! I just made a black one that is sure to make Rufus want to kill himself/me/everyone.

I can take it!

I spend far less than my friends.  I get exactly what I need and that is it.

My buddies are hating life right now.  All three each bought 2 boxes of dragon maze.  And it sucks.

It really does seem somewhat of a waste of space. Made all the worse for us 'real' players from what I can tell tonight by the fact that most of the good cards are rares and mythics which puts them out of our range. A lot of the commons are too expensive mana wise or just don't add anything we didn't really have.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 01, 2013, 10:44:17 PM
It is! Unless they fit the theme. Lingering souls is totally orzhovish!

Nah it's totally cheating!  :engel:

And rufus, you should give philly a break sometimes. He's just letting us know what happens in the real world. Just because we exist in our own little bubble, we can't pretend that other people don't play differently! Well, we can if we change the name of the thread to "Real Magic the gathering...the gathering thread"  :-P.

But Philly and Towi play in a different atmosphere.

I guess maybe I was wrong about people not using inni cards now. Maybe it's just that it feels like I don't see them anymore, which is an entirely different and less correct thing!


ps. Where is everyone?!

I accept that environment, even if I don't want to play it myself, where as philly tells us dual lands arent that expensive (they are), and that our "real" format is ridiculous!


boo to the fun police.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
They cost $8!  That is nothing!

When the first Ravnica block came out they were $20 for god's sake!

There are so many shock lands now that people have three or more play sets of different types to run three color decks with great regularity!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 01, 2013, 10:47:46 PM
Our format is ridiculous.... ridiculously good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 01, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
It costs 50 pounds on "the magic card trader" to buy 8 simic coloured dual lands.
80 dollars, not 8.

thats 2 triple A pc games via steam. That's half my monthly energy bill. That's a new pair of shoes for me and ted. That's a high elf army book and a flying chariot. That's a meal out in a nice restaurant, minus drinks. All of which I'd rather have than 8 cards!



People want to use them, and spend that money on them, and play competitive, that is fine.

but 50 pounds just for the land in one of my decks, does not "cost nothing"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 01, 2013, 10:55:33 PM
Our format is ridiculous.... ridiculously good!

yeh! much more fun games.

Sorry I've not been on, new baby and all. I've still stayed up way too late tonight though...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 01, 2013, 10:59:12 PM
It costs 50 pounds on "the magic card trader" to buy 8 simic coloured dual lands.
80 dollars, not 8.

http://bidwicket.com/Item/C/Collectible_Card_Games/Magic_the_Gathering/Singles/Gatecrash/91754_Breeding_Pool.html (http://bidwicket.com/Item/C/Collectible_Card_Games/Magic_the_Gathering/Singles/Gatecrash/91754_Breeding_Pool.html)

White Lion Games.  I'll mail them straight too you and kiss each one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 01, 2013, 11:21:48 PM
Our format is ridiculous.... ridiculously good!

yeh! much more fun games.

Sorry I've not been on, new baby and all. I've still stayed up way too late tonight though...

It has been a while! Sounds like you have a reasonable excuse though   :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 02, 2013, 08:58:05 AM
8 dollars = 5 pounds. I bought my single breeding pool and godless shrine for that much each on ebay!

Then I realised it was daft to spend that much and didn't get any more. I don't regret my 6 pound ghost council though, since it's still going for twice that most of the time.


Quote from: Siberius
I just made a black one that is sure to make Rufus want to kill himself/me/everyone.

Oh no! It's very easy to upset me though.  :icon_razz:


I was going to say dragon's maze isn't that bad, but then I looked through it again and realised there are only a few cards I want to use.

Still how many good cards were there in dark ascension (the only other small set in standard)? Lingering souls, tragic slip, one or two cheaty mythics?

EDIT: actually, lots of good cards are in DA! Never mind.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 02, 2013, 10:54:52 AM
But $8 is amazing for the card!  And the price will remain about that.  They won't drop.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 02, 2013, 11:07:38 AM
Phil, I have five or six standard-legal decks. I can't buy them all a full set of dual lands!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 02, 2013, 11:09:54 AM
I wouldn't either, but I have tournament deck at a time.  I keep that one stocked with cards. Granted, I have 12 shock lands for it, though I only run 10 in the deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 02, 2013, 11:13:49 AM
I can't play the same deck all the time. I have to have a variety of different ones!

Overall I think I have 4 shocklands and 7 innistrad/core set tappy lands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 02, 2013, 12:32:46 PM
I have plenty of decks, but if I am trying to win a tournament with an entry fee, I bring my azorius/orhzov deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 02, 2013, 12:48:46 PM
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that for tournament play they aren't a necessity.
But we dont play in tournaments.



It's ok to use them.

It's ok to not use them, and spend the money on gw/beer/whatever instead,
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 02, 2013, 01:29:13 PM
I mainly wanted some of them because the art is so amazing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 02, 2013, 02:12:32 PM
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that for tournament play they aren't a necessity.
But we dont play in tournaments.



It's ok to use them.

It's ok to not use them, and spend the money on gw/beer/whatever instead,

Yeah, but crying about their cost when they aren't expensive in the grand scheme of things is kind of silly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on May 02, 2013, 02:53:05 PM
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that for tournament play they aren't a necessity.
But we dont play in tournaments.



It's ok to use them.

It's ok to not use them, and spend the money on gw/beer/whatever instead,

Yeah, but crying about their cost when they aren't expensive in the grand scheme of things is kind of silly.


But they ARE expensive in the grand scheme of Finlay's reference cadre...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 02, 2013, 02:58:03 PM
True, but you can sell them for nearly what you paid.

And in a game where cards can go from $17 to $60 in a three week period (Lilliana!) an $8 card that is universally useful isn't bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 02, 2013, 03:37:10 PM
We get it Phil! Give it a rest.

You aren't arguing with the lunatic fringe on the back table now.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 02, 2013, 03:47:28 PM
I blame Obama for this really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 02, 2013, 03:49:39 PM
Yeh, him and his communist militias.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 02, 2013, 03:57:48 PM
I'm going to curl up with my playset of Ozbdat and cry.

Did I need a playset on a card you don't use more than 2 of at a time?  No.

Decadent capitalist...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 02, 2013, 04:02:02 PM
The ghost council are amazing and you should definitely have as many as possible. Wallpaper your house with them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 02, 2013, 04:03:55 PM
I have four of the original ghost council, but Ozzy is far and away the better card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 02, 2013, 04:05:46 PM
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that for tournament play they aren't a necessity.
But we dont play in tournaments.



It's ok to use them.

It's ok to not use them, and spend the money on gw/beer/whatever instead,

Yeah, but crying about their cost when they aren't expensive in the grand scheme of things is kind of silly.

I'm not crying about their cost, I'm just saying I would rather spend the money from them on something else.

You're trying to be the fun police, telling us the way we play is 'ridiculous' and now going in about tournament play and so on, which would be relavent argument if I was playing tournaments without dual lands, losing, and moaning about it.
I'm not saying its wrong for you to buy them, or for tournament players to use them.


And actually, spending hundreds of dollars on little bits of paper is expensive, in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 02, 2013, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyT
I have four of the original ghost council, but Ozzy is far and away the better card.


That's the one I mean! The one with the awesome art. The original is boring, like your face!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366246&type=card)


The ghost council are like republicans, except for the life gain.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 02, 2013, 04:10:31 PM
I have four of both, but Ozzy is the best!

And I love his Lawful Evil tone and outlook.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 03, 2013, 09:12:39 AM
Another article about why they didn't reprint lightning helix!

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/245

Maybe you just shouldn't have printed snapcaster mage!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 03, 2013, 09:09:10 PM
Making more rubbish decks right now as no one is on.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 03, 2013, 11:02:13 PM
Depressing evening of Magic. I blame 2 things.

1. My deckbuilding abilities.
2. Rufus's ability to always have a spirit summoning spell whenever he needs one!


I forgot I had made a simic wall deck and on it's first outing it did pretty well, albeit in a staaaaall way. But hey play to your strengths right? Rufus is good at pecking away with ghosts. I am good at standing behind a load of invincible walls for half an hour!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 03, 2013, 11:09:52 PM
Your wall deck made me lose the will to live! Again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 03, 2013, 11:53:20 PM
At least this one has some hitty stuff in it. I have a bunch of evolve stuff that never came out of course! Which kinda slowed me down. I think it could be a fairly aggrocentric wall deck though when it comes out evenly...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 04, 2013, 12:26:14 AM
Paint some fucking models!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 04, 2013, 01:05:11 AM
Just finished 5 pistoliers yesterday. Got my hurricanum on the go, just spent an hour on it and next up is my crossbows... I'm a painting machine!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 04, 2013, 01:10:02 AM
You... have passed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 04, 2013, 10:34:26 AM
I haven't painted anything since last summer... which is roughly when I got back into magic!




Quote from: Siberius
2. Rufus's ability to always have a spirit summoning spell whenever he needs one!

I love midnight haunting.

Opponent: I cast something or other!
Me: I respond with ghosts!

Lingering souls gives you more ghosts for your card, but instant ghosts are good too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 09, 2013, 08:34:49 PM
I am magicing right now if any of you happen to be bored... made a bunch of new rubbish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 09, 2013, 10:08:55 PM
Sorry Siby, can't tonight! Another day though! I definitely want to play your rubbish.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 09, 2013, 10:13:31 PM
Just made a 'real' 5 colour deck! It is so random! I'll probably play it twice and then ignore it for the rest of history. And rightly so!

Also made an unleash deck with this lady:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369055&type=card)

Potentially more playable, we will have to see. The downside to it is of course that the more you unleash, the less you have to black with so it will be quite vulnerable to counter attack. On the plus side, throwing in haste to your unleash creatures makes them a bit more worth their cost. We shall see. Probably needs honing a bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 09, 2013, 10:38:50 PM
I tried cutting Teysa into my Orhzov deck just for fun.  It went poorly.  She takes to long to drop and everytime I pulled her, I just wanted ozvedat!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 10, 2013, 06:48:12 PM
Defiitely planning on being on today. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 11, 2013, 02:00:47 AM
Ended up doing a sealed 6 rtr vs my brother.

He beat me 2-1 with a brutal selesnya deck full of plenty of big stuff and even the armada wurm which he populated twice!

I was playing an azorius with a hint of selesnya. Got lucky really in game 2. He had the detain enchantment that drove me mad but I overwhelmed him with 3 griffons, a roc and the archon over his head!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 12, 2013, 08:19:33 AM
Are the people coming to the bash bringing there decks? And which format? Modern, standard or Legacy? I have an legacy, modern and edh deck at my dispossale.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 12, 2013, 09:07:51 AM
Are the people coming to the bash bringing there decks? And which format? Modern, standard or Legacy? I have an legacy, modern and edh deck at my dispossale.

I'm bringing some decks... I mainly only play standard though. I have five standard decks.

I have recently made an edh deck, but it's not a powergamey one! No sol rings/lighting greaves or that sort of thing in it.


Thinking about it some more, I have a couple of decks that are legacy-legal just because they have old cards in, not because they are horribly abusive combo decks that win on turn one! So it depends what you mean by legacy really. I have legacy ghosts, legacy cows, and legacy isochron sceptre (that one is quite mean though).

And my kithkin deck is modern-legal if I take out the tithes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 12, 2013, 06:35:54 PM
Legacy cows?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 12, 2013, 07:35:25 PM
Are the people coming to the bash bringing there decks? And which format? Modern, standard or Legacy? I have an legacy, modern and edh deck at my dispossale.

I'm bringing some decks... I mainly only play standard though. I have five standard decks.

I have recently made an edh deck, but it's not a powergamey one! No sol rings/lighting greaves or that sort of thing in it.


Thinking about it some more, I have a couple of decks that are legacy-legal just because they have old cards in, not because they are horribly abusive combo decks that win on turn one! So it depends what you mean by legacy really. I have legacy ghosts, legacy cows, and legacy isochron sceptre (that one is quite mean though).

And my kithkin deck is modern-legal if I take out the tithes.
I would love to play against those Kithkin in Modern :-D
Don't expect to spanking decks from me, I'm not that experienced.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 12, 2013, 07:39:52 PM
Legacy cows?

Aurochs. Better than they seem cos they kinda boost and fish for each other.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 12, 2013, 09:43:28 PM
The cows are cowtastic. They are supported by ridiculous mana elves too (priest of titania and rofellos).


I would love to play against those Kithkin in Modern :-D
Don't expect to spanking decks from me, I'm not that experienced.

OK, cool! Will bring those then. Hobbits of doom.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 13, 2013, 10:46:37 PM
GCCG is crash-tastic at the moment!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 13, 2013, 11:46:14 PM
Plus it doesn't want to give out land which is mean.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2013, 08:48:11 AM
Indeed! Didn't that happen to one or both of us in every game?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2013, 11:09:43 AM
Yup! It seemed to stall at 3 or 4. Just as well you don't normally need much more than that in the current block, but it still sloweed the games to a crawl or totally disabled decks like it did with my orzhov lack of swamps. Mulliganed 5 or 6 times and then played with a whole new hand for about 8 turns without ever seeing a swamp when I have 12 of them in my deck, madness!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2013, 12:31:55 PM
Oh and terrible news fin... Rancor is under 2 squid all of a sudden!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2013, 12:52:49 PM
shit!

it's going to be in standard for ages
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2013, 01:16:13 PM
Our rules are breaking down! Maybe we should reset the maximum card price.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2013, 07:47:27 PM
The problem with that is that we'd have to sift through all our decks again and I haven't even used some of them! I think 2 squid is probably still reasonable. Keeps out the really nasty stuff at least. Maybe we can reevaluate when the next core set comes or something?

Or if we find the limit to be painful in play we can take emergency measures in the meantime!?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 14, 2013, 08:31:27 PM
Nobody is using Rancor in their decks, that is why.  Plus, it will most likely not be in M14.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2013, 09:03:21 PM
Any idea why? It's refusal to go away makes it pretty much my current worst nightmare.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on May 14, 2013, 09:06:56 PM
Any idea why? It's refusal to go away makes it pretty much my current worst nightmare.

You just kill the creature they're targetting with Rancor in response, and you just two-for-one'd them.  Do it all the time with my Boros Deck Wins, it's a killer play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2013, 09:25:15 PM
The problem with that is that we'd have to sift through all our decks again and I haven't even used some of them! I think 2 squid is probably still reasonable. Keeps out the really nasty stuff at least. Maybe we can reevaluate when the next core set comes or something?

Or if we find the limit to be painful in play we can take emergency measures in the meantime!?

No, it's fine - I was just teasing you!

I'm not going to put rancor back in any of my decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 14, 2013, 09:35:53 PM
Any idea why? It's refusal to go away makes it pretty much my current worst nightmare.

You just kill the creature they're targetting with Rancor in response, and you just two-for-one'd them.  Do it all the time with my Boros Deck Wins, it's a killer play.

Exactly!  There is so much instant removal in all color combinations (other than WG or UW - though you have a pile of unsummons in UW) that it just ends up getting left out!

There are more than enough other means of imparting trample with green options that they just aren't a good enough play in a high level deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2013, 09:40:15 PM
Well you only kinda 2 for 1 as rancor comes right back out for just 1 mana! But I am not arguing really as we don't play proper competetive so I have no idea!


The problem with that is that we'd have to sift through all our decks again and I haven't even used some of them! I think 2 squid is probably still reasonable. Keeps out the really nasty stuff at least. Maybe we can reevaluate when the next core set comes or something?

Or if we find the limit to be painful in play we can take emergency measures in the meantime!?

No, it's fine - I was just teasing you!

I'm not going to put rancor back in any of my decks.

Maybe it will be ok, it's not very good afterall, like electrickery  :wink:.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2013, 09:46:48 PM
Well you only kinda 2 for 1 as rancor comes right back out for just 1 mana!

They mean kill the creature in response to the rancor being cast - this makes it fizzle and it won't come back. How easy that is to do depends on the deck you're playing!


Ban electrickery! It's unfair to ghosts.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 14, 2013, 09:56:03 PM
Here is a strange situation:

someone tries to cast a Goblin Goon (4 mana) while a Goblin Warchief is in play.  This means it costs three mana.  If the person only has three mana, and in response to them trying to cast it, you kill the chief, what happens?  I did this to someone today and said I thought the goon would still come out into play.  SOmeone else said that it costs one more mana now and there isn't a mana to tap.

I was fine letting it come out since I figured I would win anyway (I did).  But I could maybe see both ways.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on May 14, 2013, 10:02:12 PM
Here is a strange situation:

someone tries to cast a Goblin Goon (4 mana) while a Goblin Warchief is in play.  This means it costs three mana.  If the person only has three mana, and in response to them trying to cast it, you kill the chief, what happens?  I did this to someone today and said I thought the goon would still come out into play.  SOmeone else said that it costs one more mana now and there isn't a mana to tap.

I was fine letting it come out since I figured I would win anyway (I did).  But I could maybe see both ways.

It would still come out.  You announce a spell, then pay all the costs required.  Once that's done, you're done paying costs.  That's my understanding, anyhow.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2013, 10:03:34 PM
As I understand it, all costs are paid at the time the spell is announced. So they announce that they are casting the goon, and immediately tap the necessary mana.

Killing the warchief in response will not affect the casting of the goon. It's too late. There is no response window between announcing the spell and paying the mana.


I expect that could be better explained - try the full magic rules on the wizards site!


edit: damn, too slow!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on May 14, 2013, 10:11:43 PM
As I understand it, all costs are paid at the time the spell is announced. So they announce that they are casting the goon, and immediately tap the necessary mana.

Killing the warchief in response will not affect the casting of the goon. It's too late. There is no response window between announcing the spell and paying the mana.


I expect that could be better explained - try the full magic rules on the wizards site!


edit: damn, too slow!

Yep, too slow.  But you nailed the ruling!   :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 14, 2013, 10:14:23 PM
That is what I told them.  Not a big deal since the goon was all by himself, staring at 4 extorters and not able to attack or block!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2013, 10:30:57 PM
Poor goblin!


But you nailed the ruling!   

Ha, thanks! I'm glad I gave the same answer as you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 14, 2013, 11:28:09 PM
It is a great card:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/le/99.jpg)

But when by itself it is useless!

totally awesome picture too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 24, 2013, 08:41:53 PM
Oi, anyone back in a magicy mood?

By the way, I  just got a laptop. My name on there is Siby which shouldn't be too hard to remember!

So I might appear as either depending on where I am!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 24, 2013, 09:09:11 PM
Here is my post Innastrad deck as it stands.  Thoughts?

Creatures:
4 Parasite Thrulls
4 Tithe Drinkers
4 Basilica Bats
2 Syndict of Tithes
2 Crypt Ghasts
3 Ozbadat

Spells:
3 Beckoning Apparation
2 Ohrzov Charms
2 Blind Obedience
4 Oblivion Orbs
4 Murders
3 Underworld Connections

Land:
4 Godless Shrines
4 Ohrzov Guild Gates
10 Swamps
5 Plains

Struggles against some removal heavy aggro.  If they have a lot of the low damage split cards, then it can get a little beat up.  But as a whole, it is a nice irritating bleeder deck with plenty of removal and light control elements.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 24, 2013, 09:44:31 PM
I wonder if dgm is hurting wizards, or it's only made me not want to play magic anymore.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on May 24, 2013, 10:07:53 PM
Ok mad scientist deck made lets see if it ever works...oh and I might have breached some of the magic guys rules...you have to relearn me on the run I guess. Wonīt fall asleep next time ...promise.

 :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 24, 2013, 11:11:04 PM
I wonder if dgm is hurting wizards, or it's only made me not want to play magic anymore.

I think the thing to do is mostly ignore it apart from any nifty cards you see.

Maybe it is partially that whole end of the set thing too. We have been playing these same cards for ages and with there not being much to dance about in the last set, it kinda feels like we're still in the same place.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 24, 2013, 11:14:10 PM
What is DGM?

Dragon Maze?

It has a handful of decent cards and rounds out the set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 25, 2013, 07:19:58 AM
I'd be interested in sales figures compared to other last sets
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 27, 2013, 12:04:15 AM
Thanks for the input on my deck you asshats!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on May 27, 2013, 05:55:59 AM
You are welcome dear.




...want a snickers?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2013, 08:26:55 AM
I figure it is pointless to comment, seeing as to me thatdoes not look much fun. And i don't want to ram my idea of how to play down your throat  :icon_wink:

In all seriousness, I don't play competetive so can't really comment. It looks fine though. why not 4 obzedats?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 27, 2013, 12:24:24 PM
I figure it is pointless to comment, seeing as to me thatdoes not look much fun. And i don't want to ram my idea of how to play down your throat  :icon_wink:

What isn't fun about it?  You punch people in the face while sucking their life away and popping their creatures!

Quote
In all seriousness, I don't play competetive so can't really comment. It looks fine though. why not 4 obzedats?

Mana curve.  You will draw to one of them every game.  If one is in the graveyard because it was killed, I can Obzedat Aid it back into play for the same cost, or I can Ohrzov Charm it out of play to avoid it dying.  There are 5 5 casting cost cards in the deck, which is a fair amount.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
Did anyone notice the rules change?

More than one player can have the same legend or planeswalker in play at the same time. And if you play a second copy of your own legend or planeswalker, you choose one of them to remove (instead of both dying).

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/248e
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 27, 2013, 02:16:13 PM
Dislike, most of those cards are already too good  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 27, 2013, 02:56:14 PM
Some serious changes:

Oblivion Orb is replaced by Pacifism

Murder is replaced by Doom blade

That is going to be a serious SERIOUS reduction in the ability to deal with permanents.

The Archangel of Thune is going to be INCREDIBLE in an Extort deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2013, 03:08:19 PM
How do you know oblivion sphere won't stay as well? Pacifism was already in M13. And it looks as though only about half of M14 has been revealed.

It looks boring so far!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 27, 2013, 03:13:11 PM
I think they will ditch orb.  The uw orb will probably replace it.  I hope they keep it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2013, 03:19:04 PM
They can't drop it without a functional replacement. It's one of the only cards that can kill a planeswalker!

Detention sphere is no good as a replacement because it's two-colored.


I hate that archangel. Obvious money grabber!


Where's my impulse/ponder/preordain/brainstorm type card? I'm not getting one, am I.

What are they doing for dual lands? It needs to be a full set of ten or nothing, or the ravnica block will become horribly unbalanced when innistrad rotates.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 27, 2013, 03:24:34 PM
Divination for draw.  Ravnica has plenty.

For planes walkers you can just attack or direct damage them.  Dreadbore, evict, sphere.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2013, 03:27:36 PM
Divination for draw. 

Is that a joke?  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 27, 2013, 03:32:22 PM
Well as a straight draw card. Jace is a good draw
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2013, 03:42:15 PM
Divination is useless and terrible. I want card-filtering that costs one or two mana, like the spells I mentioned!

It's a bit ominous that shock is back in red too. Lame spells alert!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 27, 2013, 03:44:29 PM
Lol what's wrong with shock?

And there are piles of card cycling options in the rtr block
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2013, 03:52:45 PM
Shock is too weak. I don't need it.


And there are piles of card cycling options in the rtr block

Such as?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 27, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
Slivers look scary...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 27, 2013, 05:12:27 PM
Uncovered Clues
Jace, Architect of Thought
Izzet Charm
Nivix Mage
Thoughtflare

Jace allows you to do it twice for 4 mana.

Izzet Charm is a great choice for the option to draw cycle.

The others are a bit more expensive.  The cards are there, they just aren't exactly Brainstorm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on May 27, 2013, 07:16:42 PM
Divination is useless and terrible. I want card-filtering that costs one or two mana, like the spells I mentioned!

The others are a bit more expensive.  The cards are there, they just aren't exactly Brainstorm.

Of course they're not, Brainstorm is broken as all get out.  I think Think Twice is about as good a card draw spell as we're going to see anymore, and I'm fine with it.  Magic was boring when control decks were the best decks.  I'm glad Wizards has nerfed card draw and counterspells.  Now you have to work deal with threats and play well to get your card advantage, instead of going "end of your turn, Fact or Fiction.  Good game."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 28, 2013, 05:05:24 AM
It's a bit ominous that shock is back in red too. Lame spells alert!
So you didn't like my burn deck...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2013, 02:15:01 PM
Oh no - I'm going to have to make a new account on GCCG. I'll have lost all my pretend cards and my 60% win ratio!  :icon_sad:

Oh well.


So you didn't like my burn deck...

It was fine! I was saying shock is a weak spell.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 30, 2013, 02:57:56 PM
What happened?

I made a new name on my laptop but I still have the other one on the desktop. My new one I have only 3 games with and have a 100% record. Almost don't want to use it anymore.  :-P

It is quite refreshing to start over though. Decks are nice and clear, don't really care about completing sets. Not too bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2013, 03:02:42 PM
Computer meltdown! And I never set my email address so I don't think I can get back into my account.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 30, 2013, 05:59:51 PM
Bummer!

I hate computers.

Still, don't let it put you off completely. I wonder if when the new core set drops, even if it's not that exciting, it will reinvigorate my desire to play more. I like core sets. Lots of reasonable cards, less stuff to learn.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2013, 09:52:52 PM
I don't like the look of the next base set so far - there's an annoying sliver theme!

I suppose I'll install the program sometime. And think of a new name... rufus2?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 30, 2013, 10:22:45 PM
Slivers will be fun!  They are pricey.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2013, 12:06:05 AM
Rufus2 sounds perfect!

If slivers annoy us we can ban them!

If not, woohoo!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 12:18:30 AM
Oh my god you guys are infuriating!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2013, 07:01:35 AM
Philly fun police!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2013, 08:39:22 AM
They changed the name of llanowar elves to elvish mystic, and that upsets me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 09:35:51 AM
Yes, I don't like that either! Booo to Elvis mystics and slivers! Also, doom blade is such a terrible name for a card - don't reprint that!

Aren't these slivers different from the old ones? They only share abilities with slivers you control, not with all slivers.


One for Finlay though?

Quote
Warden of Evos Isle 2u
Creature - Bird Wizard    Uncommon
Flying
Creature spells with flying you cast cost 1 less to cast.
2/2

Bird wizard, and he makes birds cheaper!


One for me:

Quote
Young Pyromancer 1r
Creature - Human Shaman    Uncommon
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a 1/1 red Elemental creature token onto the battlefield.
2/1


Otherwise, boring so far.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2013, 09:47:50 AM
I saw young pyromancer and also this one “molten birth, 1rr, sorcery, Put two 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens onto the battlefield. Then flip a coin. If you win the flip, return Molten Birth to its owner's hand.”

Get both out at once. Elemental tastic


The warden looks great!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 10:15:05 AM
Hmmm, molten birth is a bit red-heavy! Not sure about that one. I might try it though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 01:00:54 PM
Philly fun police!

No, I am just baffled at some of the things you guys ban or concern yourself with.  The slivers SUCK.  IF you are contemplating getting rid of them, it is just crazy talk.

This is why I haven't bothered getting into this whole online thing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 01:23:24 PM
This is why I haven't bothered getting into this whole online thing.

I hope you appreciate my not saying something unkind in response!  :icon_razz:


We don't think they're overpowered, just lame. What even is a sliver? They just aren't cool. Ghosts are cool. Goblins are cool. Slivers are lame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2013, 01:27:47 PM
There are people on it who want to play competetively.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 01:28:35 PM
Phil would be scared of losing then!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
Well the only reason I would play would be to play with you guys.  If I just wanted to play against strangers, I would play on my PS3 or my PC using the actual Duel of the Planeswalkers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 01:42:22 PM
You should try it! We don't really ban stuff.

Except planeswalkers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 01:53:25 PM
I thought you ban just about everything like rares or anything over $1!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 01:57:27 PM
No, that was just a different format we tried out because we were bored.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2013, 02:01:35 PM
We do kinda ban stuff over $1 but only for against each other. I have a bunch of totally unrestricted (well except by normal resteictions) decks on there and a few of them are actually quite nasty even. If you ever do jump on I will happily play you, even if you use planeswalkers!

If the only complaint about slivers is they are weird I am totally using them! I thought maybe they were op.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 02:03:33 PM
I don't have any decks anymore!  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2013, 02:05:15 PM
Well the only reason I would play would be to play with you guys.  If I just wanted to play against strangers, I would play on my PS3 or my PC using the actual Duel of the Planeswalkers.
I just find I have a lot less fun when playing with "competetive" decks than not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 02:06:23 PM
Hmmm, that's true. It's worse over the computer than in reality too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 02:12:59 PM
We do kinda ban stuff over $1 but only for against each other. I have a bunch of totally unrestricted (well except by normal resteictions) decks on there and a few of them are actually quite nasty even. If you ever do jump on I will happily play you, even if you use planeswalkers!

If the only complaint about slivers is they are weird I am totally using them! I thought maybe they were op.

Too expensive.  One removal spell and it throughs off your whole combat phase if you are attacking or blocking, thought there is a hexproof one I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 02:18:53 PM
I think it's weird that they've chosen them as a theme for M14. Weren't they from Tempest originally? Then maybe in Time Spiral?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 02:29:19 PM
There were slivers way back in the Tempest block, maybe even before that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
Uh oh, my kinda creature!

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/archangelofthune.jpg)



Also, this looks handy for selesnya. Costs a bit, but then it should do.

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/primevalbounty.jpg)



Rufus card alert!

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/colossalwhale.jpg)




I like this just because it is a cockatrice.

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/deathgazecockatrice.jpg)



Hmm... this could be interesting... or not interesting as the case may be...

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/shadowbornapostle.jpg)




Um, yes please!

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/kaloniantusker.jpg)



I noticed no defenders... this scares me...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 03:16:22 PM
Archangel of Thune will be the IT card of this set.  I am betting it will hit $30 initially.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2013, 03:16:39 PM
archangle of thune will be expensive- great abilities and a not bad body for that, including flying.

collossal whale is just a not as good stormtide leviathan
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2013, 03:20:35 PM
Collossal whale may not be great but it just screams Rufus2! (that's right, I am already calling you by your new name!)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 03:24:43 PM
That whale isn't bad.  Everytime he attacks, he gets to exile.  COmbined with other control elements and maybe ramp, he is fine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2013, 03:25:49 PM
My point is, he is clearly just the nerfed version of stormtide leviathan for this cycle.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
He's not going to be too worried about electrickery!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 03:43:52 PM
My point is, he is clearly just the nerfed version of stormtide leviathan for this cycle.

He isn't a nerfed version of the Stormtide, he is a different creature all together.  I guess if by nerfed you mean he is M14's "Big Blue" then to a degree, I would say yes.  But his ability to exile cards is in many ways a much better ability than the islandwalk wall the Leviathan offered.  The Leviathan couldn't stop fliers, which was a real issue.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2013, 03:59:04 PM
unblockable, stopping everything that isnt flying (what else had island walk?) > smaller body and a turn a go exile. leviathans "blocking" works as soon as cast, whale cant exile for a turn.
 by the time you get 7 mana to cast the wahale, your opponent should have a fair few creatures, so takes time to shut down opponent.

It even has the same art as the leviathan!

clearly
clearly

CLEARLY
a nerfed version of leviathan (big blue creature, same art, defensive utility.)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
Niether are "good" in a competitive sense.

The Leviathan is a better card, since he actually triggers his own island walk.  But the whale can solve some problems that the leviathan simply can't.

They are both the big blue card for their set, but I don't think you should consider one interchangeable or a nerfing of the other.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 09:18:54 PM
The whale sucks, but I like that he is a big whale! I would use it just for that.


Archangel is a massive cheat and should die in a fire. I refuse to use it.




Quote from: Siberius
I noticed no defenders... this scares me...

Hurrah!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on May 31, 2013, 09:45:11 PM
I don't mind the Whale.  I wouldn't play with it, but I wouldn't play with the leviathan either.

The whale does have a use though.  Mixed with white or black, it could be combined with bounce and removal to be a decent anti-creature set up.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 10:01:30 PM
I'm going to make a whale deck. Maybe.


I forgot how long it takes to install GCCG! Ages.

EDIT: there, done! It works... but now I have no fake money and no fake cards.  :icon_sad:


It's crashtastic tonight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2013, 11:44:50 PM
Rufus, I think I am gonna give in and retire for the night, next time we play I will reload that game and give you that win that you were about to get!

Sorry for the useless resistance. If it makes you feel better, your new decks lack for little!

Too much crashing. I hope they sort it out soon,...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
OK, good night! All the crashing is annoying, though at least the program loads faster on my new computer.

I think my decks had beginner's luck. And ghosts, of course!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
I think they may be pretty decent too. But I will make more and see. My dimir always seemed to do decent against the spirit decks... for some reason.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2013, 11:55:42 PM
Not the dimir! They always beat me.  :icon_eek:

I need to make a lot more decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on June 01, 2013, 09:05:55 PM
Yeah, M14 looks pretty dull so far.  For my standard deck, I like Shock and Chandra's Phoenix, and maybe the guy who makes elemental tokens.  The Archangel is an obvious chase card.  Other than that, looks pretty meh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 01, 2013, 10:10:15 PM
I hope the orb stays in!

I wonder if the relative Borden is due to the power if the Ravnica block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2013, 09:47:50 AM
Base sets just have too many bland cards. There's no real theme to make it interesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 02, 2013, 10:11:50 AM
I liked m13 but maybe it was due to all the exalted and lifelink!

The only issue I have with themes is when I feel obliged to stick to them. I often even go as far as picking instants and sorceroes that fit the theme better, eg howl of the hungerpack for wolves etc, and it ends up screwing me over. Of course that is all my own fault, but still.  :-P

I don't mind the look of m14 so far either. But then I am the kind of person who likes to take more than my 25% of core troops so you know  :wink:.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2013, 10:18:17 AM
Hey, no more exalted! Hurrah!

I don't so much mean theme as setting. Innistrad and Ravnica are both interesting settings. The core set is just... generic fantasy. It's hard to care about that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 02, 2013, 11:32:21 AM
I agree.  Core is really just there for your "staple" cards. like basic removal or counter.  It has your basic buffs, your basic discard, general will include a black "seek" card, etc.

As a whole it is a boring set because it is the base.  What I enjoy about the core sets is the return of old cards.  This time there aren't many interesting old cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2013, 05:25:27 PM
What I enjoy about the core sets is the return of old cards.  This time there aren't many interesting old cards.

Well, the set hasn't been completely revealed yet, so there might still be some good stuff!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 02, 2013, 06:21:38 PM
Could be, but we have seen 66% or so, and nothing neat yet!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on June 02, 2013, 07:09:58 PM
As a whole it is a boring set because it is the base.  What I enjoy about the core sets is the return of old cards.  This time there aren't many interesting old cards.

Yeah, I guess that's what I mean.  I don'r expect a basic set to blow me away, but lately they'd been doing a good job of making interesting basic sets.  When they brought back Lightning Bolt, Grim Lavamancer, and Oblivion Ring, that was interesting.  M14 just seems very blah.  But, like Rufus said, they could be holding back on some big reveals yet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2013, 08:36:51 AM
This should have been in dragon's maze:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/mma/makakxioolww/mfo2utYNbA_EN.jpg)

instead of the expensive reprints set for a format I don't care about.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2013, 03:35:19 PM
that's a fucking epic card.
good bye naturalize!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2013, 03:51:22 PM
Sadly not legal in standard! This reprint has better art than the original too.

However, 'Modern Masters' is a total joke. They deliberately aren't printing much, so it's going to be sold for way above the suggested retail price. Lame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2013, 04:13:59 PM
oh! I thought that was in m14 and got excited.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2013, 04:16:15 PM
Sorry! Should have been clearer. It's from Modern Masters, which is supposed to encourage more people to play Modern... but won't, because it's too expensive.

M14 continues to have lame stuff in it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 03, 2013, 06:49:24 PM
Sorry! Should have been clearer. It's from Modern Masters, which is supposed to encourage more people to play Modern... but won't, because it's too expensive.

M14 continues to have lame stuff in it.
Both true.
Though, I really like the idea of Modern, because it doesn't rotate.

And you have tempted my to make a Hobbit deck ::heretic::

Maybe from M14 you could use the Young Pyromancer in your EDH deck. Would seem to fit?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 03, 2013, 07:06:43 PM
What is modern, the last six sets?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on June 03, 2013, 07:30:05 PM
What is modern, the last six sets?

It's all sets with the "modern" cardface.  So Mirroden and 8th Edition forward.

As a format, I hate it.  It's very expensive to get into (almost every good aggro deck want Tarmogoyfs) and is very unstable, seeing wave after wave of bannings in order to try and get a diverse metagame.  It's kinda like Legacy, but with no duals and horrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 03, 2013, 08:07:15 PM
Thats what I figured.  It is one of those things where if you played during the sets and didn't sell your cards, you are alright.

The more sets you make available, the less fun things get.

My buddies and I have been doing Ravnica block sets, so the 8th and 9th core, M14, the full first Ravnica block and the newest Ravnica Block.  Very fun to do the full guilds!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on June 03, 2013, 08:22:33 PM
My buddies and I have been doing Ravnica block sets, so the 8th and 9th core, M14, the full first Ravnica block and the newest Ravnica Block.  Very fun to do the full guilds!

That sounds like a cool idea, basically "Ravnica Standard."  I might have to pitch that to my group.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 03, 2013, 10:10:11 PM
I meant M13.  We will include M14 when it comes out.  But it is VERY fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2013, 10:45:24 AM
We've done double-ravnica decks before on GCCG. It's good!

'Telling time' is the sort of blue card search card I want. I can make a much better Izzet deck if I have access to that.

What's good for Orzhov besides Mortify? Haunt is a lame ability.


And you have tempted my to make a Hobbit deck ::heretic::

Maybe from M14 you could use the Young Pyromancer in your EDH deck. Would seem to fit?

You should! Hobbits are great, and not expensive.

I definitely plan to use the pyromancer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 06, 2013, 11:13:38 AM
The only card with truly good Haunt was the Pontiff:

(http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/cards/13743.jpg)

When combined with the Husk:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/10e/162.jpg)

And the Promise:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/sok/24.jpg)

You could wipe the table and open the door for a massive Nantuko Husk to finish the enemy.  Ghost Husk was my favorite deck of all time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
Nice! I haven't seen those last two cards before.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 06, 2013, 11:33:17 AM
There is a current card similar to the nan tiki husk right now. 1/1 vampire with the same ability.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 06, 2013, 12:24:49 PM
We need to play more! Have you guys been on gccg recently?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2013, 12:42:24 PM
I turned it on last night, but no one was there. And also it looked a bit crashy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 06, 2013, 02:12:33 PM
Ok cool. I'll probably just come in here and make a little post when I come on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2013, 09:50:25 PM
Finlay and I are playing now, but it's crashed!

Now having to quit and restart.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 06, 2013, 10:18:11 PM
It seems to have gone super unstable
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2013, 10:20:04 PM
We only played one game! Unsatisfying.

Shall we give up for tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 06, 2013, 10:23:16 PM
two games, and you pwned me in both.

stupid magic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2013, 10:25:01 PM
I think I had pretty good cards!

I'm trying to reload the program but I don't think it's going to work.  :icon_sad:

On again!  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 07, 2013, 08:29:15 PM
Probably gonna hop on in a minute... anybody else about?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 07, 2013, 09:49:51 PM
You aren't there now!


Huh, it keeps crashing again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 08, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Can you get back in this time? Itdoesn't seem to want to let me now...

nevermind, I am back!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2013, 12:03:34 AM
I'm not sure: it's still loading.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2013, 12:34:52 AM
Playing that 'protection from multicolored' thing against my Simic swarm was cruel!  :icon_sad:

I even had a simic charm in my hand... which also couldn't target it, due to being multicoloured.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 08, 2013, 12:49:33 AM
I figured it could be pretty handy under current circumstances. But mainly I just wanted to play some anti guild stuff.

I feel like my 3 colour deck needs a little tweaking. It didn't fire how I expected, though I never had trouble getting all the colours out. Might need a few pump up zap spells like earthquake to make borderland ranger's ability more helpful.

Bouncing stuff in and out certainly has potential in this format. Your use of giant toad to pump the evolve was very nice, though in that last game he didn't have anyone to pump. I was so lucky to sneak it with that little land. Just glad all my spells were small too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 08, 2013, 02:59:16 AM
I went 2/2 tonight but feel robbed!

I was up 33 to 1 and lost to the guy who won the whole thing.

He played the blood baron.  Next turn played the demon tha makes you discard you hand at end step.  He crawled all the way back and won.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 08, 2013, 12:03:52 PM
Those kind of games are so good when you are the sneak winner and so horrible when you aren't!

So now we've played tonnes of games with the various guilds and each taken on various ones... it seems like Orzhov is the toughest. Whoever is in control of them seems to win more often than not. The next would maybe be Gruul and Boris, close together, then maybe Azorius, Dimir, Simic and Izzet, then Golgari, Selesnya and Rakdos. So if I was going to rank them it would be...

1. Orzhov
2. Boris
3. Gruul
4. Azorius
5. Izzet
6. Dimir
7. Simic
8. Selesnya
9. Golgari
10. Rakdos

What do you guys reckon? Are any of those wildly out of place? And as a disclaimer, I think that this won't reflect what 'the internet' says because we ban all the best cards and some guild's best cards are better than others and might well shift things around. I am purely going off our own format.

And I best once Innistrad drops out this order could have quite a shake up because some of these guilds rely heavily on Inni cards. Off the top of my head, any of the ones with white in will lose a lot of really useful cheap creatures and maybe suffer from that. Also I can see green losing out quite a bit on some of their boosts and such.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2013, 12:24:43 PM
I don't think I'd put Izzet that high! They're too inconsistent. I have terrible trouble winning with Simic too, for the same reason. I agree with the top four though.

Orzhov is amazing. I can't stand to play against them unless I am also playing Orzhov. I get jealous!


I'm going to cry when lingering souls leaves standard. It's my favourite card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 08, 2013, 12:42:49 PM
Are golgari the zombies? I think they can be good but no one really uses them.

Selesnaya are good on the internet, but you're right I always struggle with them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2013, 12:45:11 PM
Populate is a frustrating mechanic. I find I often have token creatures but no populate cards, or populate cards but no tokens!

Golgari have a ton of removal spells (too many, I think), but are otherwise boring.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 08, 2013, 12:49:30 PM
I'm gonna try and make another ravnica sealed for tonight boyos
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
Good stuff. Old ravnica again?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 08, 2013, 02:13:14 PM
Yeh, I have the same issue with populate. In theory very nifty but I never have the right combinations in hand (except for my pauper selesnya style deck which does much better!).

Golgari suffers from having it's best few cards being expensive rares. The graveyard mechanic doesn't work as well without them so you have to rely on removal and some okish creatures. Sometimes it works, others not so much. I've played them quite a bit vs rufus and whilst the removal and trestle troll often keeps me in it for a while, I have no offence and eventually get worn down.

Maybe Dimir over Izzet? But I don't really play proper Dimir so I'm not sure. I ignore all their core mechanics! Izzet seems to do ok for the most part. The two gobbos make them pretty decent.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 08, 2013, 02:24:38 PM
Yes old ravnica.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 08, 2013, 02:45:08 PM
Maybe a strange question around here, but I hope to reach the most Magic Players on the forum here.
Has anyone Flastones of Trokair spare or willing to Trade TM.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 08, 2013, 03:38:52 PM
I like that list and there is no "good answer" but I do disagree on a few things.

Taken as a whole, I think in single player running one guild, boros is king.  Orhzov is second.  Golgari is FAR better than you are giving it credit for.  Deathrites and deadbridge chants, combined with ramp and maulers of rippers is an awesome set up.  Not to mention two of the best removal cards in the set - abrupt decay and putrify.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 08, 2013, 04:19:22 PM
We were talking specifically about 'our format' because I do agree golgari is better generally!

WOO magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 08, 2013, 04:32:15 PM
Ah okay, I thought he meant in total!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 08, 2013, 05:00:31 PM
No, I can't entirely speak for normal standard. I would indeed rank Golgari higher. It's pretty mean. But lack of access to the shaman is a real pain in the butt for it in our format.

Azorius, Boros and Orzhov do so well for us because I think their cheapy cards are actually really playable without needing the big hitters of their guilds where things like Golgari, Rakdos and possibly Selesnya are lacking without those nifty rares.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 08, 2013, 08:57:10 PM
I won't be on tonight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2013, 09:38:07 PM
Damn, I made a sealed deck and everything.  :icon_sad:


Quote from: Novogord
Has anyone Flastones of Trokair spare or willing to Trade TM.

Sorry, no! I don't have any cards from that era.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 08, 2013, 11:31:54 PM
I might make up a sealed for old ravnica too if that's what you guys are doing...

I was photo shooting tonight at precisely the wrong time!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 09, 2013, 12:02:43 AM
S0 I know you guys don't care too much since it is a competitive deck, but here is my new iteration of my Ohrzov:

Creatures:

4 Parasite Thrulls
4 Tithe Drinkers
4 Basillica Thrulls
3 Bood Baron
3 Obzedat, Ghost COuncil

Spells:
2 Blind Obedience
4 Orhzov Charm
3 Lingering Souls
4 Oblivion Orb
3 Underworld Connections
3 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad

8 Swamps
7 Plains
4 Godless Shrines
4 Isolated Chapels

Delays early through extort and life gain plus removal, ties up through to mid game with Sorin tokens and lingering spirits until blood barns and obzedats show up.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on June 09, 2013, 12:19:39 AM
Seems pretty solid, Philly.  Here's my Standard Boros (just from memory, so might be a little off):

4 Champion of the Parish
4 Dryad Militant
2 Legion Loyalist
4 Wojek Halberdiers
4 Gather the Townsfolk
3 Hellrider

4 Pillar of Flame
4 Boros Charm
4 Searing Spear
2 Brimstone Volley
2 Flames of the Bloodhand

4 Sacred Foundry
4 Clifftop Retreat
7 Plains
7 Mountain
2 Slayer's Sanctuary
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 09, 2013, 03:36:08 AM
Why halberd ores over medics?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2013, 12:53:00 PM
I think we should make your decks on gccg and fight them against each other to see who is the cheesiest power gamer of doom!

What say you rufus and fin? We can delete them afterwards to dislodge the stench of overpriced madness   :icon_razz:

I am gonna make both so I can go either way   :wink:.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2013, 01:16:47 PM
For some reason I can't find basillica thrull or oblivion orb...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on June 09, 2013, 04:24:12 PM
For some reason I can't find basillica thrull or oblivion orb...

It's Oblivion Ring, I'm assuming. 

Why halberd ores over medics?

I don't have medics and haven't been able to make it to FNM in a few weeks.  I'll probably switch if I can find a set of medics.  There is something to be said for the Halberdiers 3 power, though. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 09, 2013, 04:40:08 PM
Drunk!  Oblivion ring, basilica bat!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 13, 2013, 10:17:49 AM
M14 spoilers seem to have dried up... but, it looks as though there won't be any dual lands in the set at all. I think that's good news, actually, since there's way too much mana-fixing in standard.

Mutavault is meant to be in, which makes sense with the sliver theme.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 13, 2013, 12:24:27 PM
They may skip duals, but they are pretty short on rare cards at the moment.  They also haven't released the planeswalkers yet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 13, 2013, 01:38:03 PM
They also haven't released the planeswalkers yet.

Same old boring cast! Jace and the other losers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 13, 2013, 03:18:49 PM
A couple should be different rules.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 13, 2013, 04:10:01 PM
A couple should be different rules.
They seem to be reprints.

Mutavault for the win! :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 13, 2013, 05:16:47 PM
Rumor had it Chandra was getting a new rule set.  Lilliana may be getting the Innastrad card as the core one.  Jace may get the Ravnica card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 13, 2013, 05:51:10 PM
planeswankers.

EY YOOOO
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 13, 2013, 06:37:25 PM
They can be pretty good.  But I think you would be surprised how few are used in actual competitive decks.  Too easy to get rid of. 

I run a pair of Sorin's and the Lelliana from Innastrad is a great 3 drop, but then there is some fall off in terms of usability.  The two Jace cards are decent blue drops though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 14, 2013, 09:22:24 AM
You can dislike cards for reasons other than power, Phil!

I just hate the whole concept of planeswalkers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2013, 11:07:04 AM
Update on the M14 spoiler!

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/m14-spoiler.html

Same old Jace, Liliana and Catman, I think? I'd check, but I don't care enough.

Also mutavault confirmed. Suck it, collectors! The price should drop heavily on that one.


Dual lands now look very unlikely.


Hold on:

Quote
Celestial Flare   ww
Instant    Common
Target player sacrifices an attacking or blocking creature.

Good card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 15, 2013, 11:53:41 AM
I don't know, they have never had a core set without duals.  But then again, the guild gates provide a second set anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2013, 11:57:15 AM
I don't know, they have never had a core set without duals.

4th edition!


According to people who look at set numbers and stuff, there isn't room for a set of rare duals. So unless there's an uncommon set, it looks unlikely.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 15, 2013, 12:01:40 PM
They released a set of uncommon duals before.  Salt Marsh and the like.

But I am willing to bet there are enough duals in Ravnica that they don't need them in the core set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2013, 12:14:15 PM
They released a set of uncommon duals before.  Salt Marsh and the like.

Those are the same as the guildgates though. And they'd need to add enemy color ones, or it would ruin the guild balance. They can't do that until ravnica rotates.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 15, 2013, 12:16:17 PM
PRobably true.  It will actually throw a ton of cold water one multicolor decks since the guild gates are VERY poor in competitive settings.  Removing the current core/Innastrad dual lands will really change deck building.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2013, 12:22:26 PM
Removing the current core/Innastrad dual lands will really change deck building.

Surely a good thing!

Theros is bound to have some sort of dual land anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on June 15, 2013, 12:23:42 PM
Maybe.

And I like multi colored decks.  Makes for greater variety.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2013, 12:30:01 PM
You can still play them! They just won't be as consistent.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on June 16, 2013, 07:31:45 PM
I'm surprised by the lack of dual lands, if true.

But I'd be happy with it.  I think it's too easy to play 3-4-color decks in standard right now, especially given that there's no playable land destruction with which to punish shoddy manabases.  Although once the rotation hits, it may go too far the other way...without Farseek and the any of the check lands, you're down to the shock lands as playable duals.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2013, 10:01:40 AM
Quote
Banisher Priest
1ww
Creature - Human Cleric    Uncommon
When Banisher Priest enters the battlefield, exile target creature an opponent controls until Banisher Priest leaves the battlefield.
2/2

Fiend hunter, without the dodgy loophole. Also with a more boring name.

Presumably oblivion ring won't be reprinted then. They'd have to do a renamed version that matched the priest's wording.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 01, 2013, 12:14:16 AM
When does it come out again? Been aaaages since I was on there. A new set might do the trick. Dragon was a snoozefest of an update.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on July 01, 2013, 12:16:13 AM
If oblivion ring goes, that is a huge issue.  They don't have a decent white enchantment removal with a secondary side effect that makes it worthwhile.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 01, 2013, 02:16:36 AM
If oblivion ring goes, that is a huge issue.  They don't have a decent white enchantment removal with a secondary side effect that makes it worthwhile.

I agree.  I'm hoping for a O-Ring reprint, but with the Banisher Priest wording. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 01, 2013, 09:22:17 AM
When does it come out again? Been aaaages since I was on there. A new set might do the trick. Dragon was a snoozefest of an update.

19th. I haven't played for ages either.



(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m14/poi798sjkasd/8Z371vdE7f_EN.jpg)

Simic!



and and and

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=143497&stc=1&d=1372652519)

Isochron dude!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 01, 2013, 10:39:36 AM
When does it come out again? Been aaaages since I was on there. A new set might do the trick. Dragon was a snoozefest of an update.
yes, dragon plus new baby has killed it for me.


dear god, they like making good hydras dont they?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 02, 2013, 10:13:31 AM
Door of destinies is in M14

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=152526&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 02, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
sliver powerrrrr
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 02, 2013, 01:03:53 PM
Wow I love door of destinies... mainly because I like theme decks and that is totally themey.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/m14/cards/pathofbravery.jpg)
^
Could be pretty nasty, orzhov decks often seem to start getting above 20 within a few turns. Not amazing I suppose because you have to get it out and keep your life up, but even so, if things go well your life total could get silly...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 02, 2013, 07:54:04 PM
They're really pushing lifegain...which makes me sad as a Red Deck Wins player   :eusa_wall:

But in better news, the new Chandra looks pretty awesome.  She'll be great with her phoenix:

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=143489&d=1372651225)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 05, 2013, 08:55:31 AM
No dual lands for m14 = confirmed

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/254


Also, bad wasteland variant:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m14/poi798sjkasd/VEWXLHvEhO_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 06, 2013, 07:36:41 PM
Ugh, bad is right.  Ghost Quarter is better than that garbage!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2013, 09:42:42 PM
They hate land destruction, obviously!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on July 07, 2013, 06:32:41 PM
They hate land destruction, obviously!
I hate it to, with a reason.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 07, 2013, 07:20:34 PM
I'm fine with land destruction not being a viable winning strategy, like the old Ponza decks.  Losing with no lands in play, not able to do anything is very unfun.  But I feel that spot land destruction should be viable, so that 3-5 color decks actually run a risk by stretching their manabases too thin, especially now with Ravnica block in.  Obviously Wasteland is too good, but the M14 one is terrible.  Ghost Quarter was almost good enough to play. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 07, 2013, 07:34:17 PM
I like the new set so far. Not sure if slivers are gonna be amazing or rubbish yet but I like the feel of the set in general.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2013, 09:29:25 AM
The full card image gallery is up on the wizards site now. Bit of a dull set!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on July 08, 2013, 10:34:38 AM
Wow... that set is complete garbage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2013, 12:22:38 PM
It's probably OK for sealed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on July 08, 2013, 06:43:36 PM
The full card image gallery is up on the wizards site now. Bit of a dull set!
Like most of the Standard Sets (M..).
I'm looking forward to Theros.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 08, 2013, 07:44:03 PM
Personally I don't mind a bit of dullness. You know what the opposite of dullness is? Mirrodin. Too much crazy stuff that you can't be bothered to learn or use. A bit of dullness every once in a while is alright by me.

Not entirely sure what you were expecting anyways.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on July 08, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Yeah, it's an average basic set.  Some random thoughts from seeing the full spoiler:

1. No Oblivion Ring and no equivalent.  White is now good at killing creatures and enchantments, but not other permanent types.  Boo.
2. Black has lots of sac effects.  I feel like there's a deck that abuses Zathid Necromancer in there somewhere.
3. Blue sucks.  Except for Jace.
4. Slivers will be a thing, just because people love them, but I don't see enough to make them really competitive.  You need to play at least three colors to get enough early drops (probably W/G/U is the best build).  That, and pay out the ass for Mutavaults.  I look forward to stomping slivers decks at tournaments.
5. They're really pushing lifegain, but I think it still sucks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 20, 2013, 01:58:08 PM
Heroes vs monsters duel decks:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/261


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/feat261_pwe_en_e2e8lkg145.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 20, 2013, 09:05:13 PM
Of all the spoiled cards, I'm most excited about Cavalry Pegasus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 20, 2013, 10:02:51 PM
Ha, really?


Hmmm, they put a couple of scry cards in the heroes deck. I wonder if Theros will use scry? I think it should!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 20, 2013, 10:05:23 PM
I did like Scry, I'd be happy to see it used again.

And yes, the Pegasus is very nice!  In my fast humans deck, I want to get into a race every game, with no one blocking ever...so that I can win the race with my burn spells.  The pegasus is perfect for that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 20, 2013, 10:09:45 PM
Scry is a good fit themewise, surely. I demand augury owl!

The pegasus just seems a bit underwhelming.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 20, 2013, 11:11:16 PM
Been forever since I magicked!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2013, 07:02:55 AM
We need to play sometime!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 21, 2013, 07:48:47 AM
Agreed. I should update mine which is always a nervy experience... Have you been on there at all lately? Wonder if they stabilised it any...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2013, 07:52:35 AM
No, I haven't been on since before the latest core set. So I'll also have to update and hope it doesn't go wrong!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 21, 2013, 09:35:58 AM
Agreed. I should update mine which is always a nervy experience... Have you been on there at all lately? Wonder if they stabilised it any...
Did it ever go wrong for you?

It's totally broken twice when updating for me!


dragons maze sucks assss
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2013, 09:54:26 AM
Dragon's maze wasn't that bad. I liked some of the cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2013, 10:46:22 AM
I got GCCG to update with the new cards without breaking it.

So I'm ready to try M14 sealed sometime. Maybe it's not as boring as it looks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
I shall do likewise then. Though not today probably. Maybe tomorrow though... Did the site crash at all or did you not stay on long?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2013, 04:16:10 PM
I only went on long enough to check the cards had installed, but I noticed someone talking about crashes. So maybe it's still dodgy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2013, 07:43:07 AM
Well, I can give it a try anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2013, 08:34:03 AM
More Theros stuff:


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/zbrLIPaDFxl_EN_LR.jpg)

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1307
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2013, 08:36:15 AM
Monstrosity mechanic, too expensive to ever use!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2013, 08:37:11 AM
Maybe it's a really slow set!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on August 27, 2013, 11:44:42 AM
A little like the Zendikar block, with all those giant Eldrazi in it.
I do like the look of the new set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2013, 02:09:07 PM
Maybe it's a really slow set!

Slow or really fast mana acceleration like the afforementioned zendikar block. That kraken only costs 6 to cast and then a couple of turns later slam the breaks on all their good stuff while you swing away with your 10/10. With a little acceleration you could probably get him out turn 4 and then pump him up on 5 or 6... Not too shabby!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 27, 2013, 04:06:06 PM
Not a fan.  Sitting this set out
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
Not a fan.  Sitting this set out

They've only revealed about ten cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
I've only seen the one card rufus put up. So far I am a fan  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2013, 05:16:30 PM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/thassamock.jpg)

Too good?



(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/ordealofpurphoros.jpg)

I could see myself using this. Nothing too fancy but up my alley.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2013, 05:28:03 PM
That god is ridiculous!
Is it like ultra mythic rare?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 27, 2013, 06:23:32 PM
Not a fan.  Sitting this set out

They've only revealed about ten cards.

Not ravnica.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 27, 2013, 08:21:17 PM
Monstrous seems interesting.  Definitely overcosted on the Kraken, but the Hydra's Monstrous ability seems strong.  I'm thinking there will be cards that interact with a creature being Monstrous, like Monstrous-slayers or something.

That god looks pretty good!  Having 5 blue mana symbols in play is pretty tough, though, and people can kill your stuff to knock you off your devotion pretty easily. 

Scry is back!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2013, 08:38:29 PM
Scry!  :::cheers:::

At last. Maybe now that snapcaster mage is dead we can have good blue spells again!


Thassa is good, but I'm amused that she can be removed with a one mana 'erase.' Not surprising that it will rotate out just as Theros rotates in.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on August 27, 2013, 10:55:10 PM
I just reread the card, and it looks like you can still use her even if you don't have devotion, so she seems very playable.  Scry 1 every turn is pretty strong in a long game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 28, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
Yes, you get to use scry and the unblockable ability anyway. Devotion just turns her into a creature.

Presumably 'devotion' will encourage more mono-color decks, which would be a nice change.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 28, 2013, 12:40:42 PM
To me she still seems ridiculously good!

What is she until she becomes a creature? Just an enchantment?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 28, 2013, 01:16:48 PM
What is she until she becomes a creature? Just an enchantment?

She's a legendary enchantment god!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 28, 2013, 01:21:29 PM
So... yes.  :-P

I could see making a deck with a bunch of hard hitting but cheap because they have no abilities creatures and then just pumping out here ability to swing right past your opponent and there won't be a whole lot they can do because she is indestructible... And you can scry to put those creatures into your hand faster... And once you have enough of them she can start swinging for 5 too...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 28, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
She's blue, lives in the sea, and lets me scry. I'm using her for sure!

I wonder what the other gods do.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 28, 2013, 10:16:06 PM
I just can't get up for it.  I think the Innistrad and RTR blocks were great.  M14 is a junk set, and I just can't get any energy up for this set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2013, 06:13:06 AM
She's blue, lives in the sea, and lets me scry. I'm using her for sure!

I wonder what the other gods do.
She'll be like Ģ20
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2013, 08:59:21 AM
I'll just use her on the computer then!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2013, 10:02:13 AM
Hey, I wonder if master biomancers are cheaper yet. Is there a “sweet spot” for cheapness, just after they drop from standard or something?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2013, 11:54:06 AM
Biomancer is still in standard for another year. The price might drop after that.

Still, firestorm has them at 5.39, which is less than they were a while back.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2013, 05:27:09 PM
I like the look of the cavalry pegasus!


I guess rufelmeister is happy for scry
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2013, 08:30:30 AM
I guess rufelmeister is happy for scry

Yes!  :::cheers:::



Card image gallery:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/theros/cig#


It looks themetastic so far.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/05Fv0vr5JwJ_EN_LR.jpg)

Block 100 creatures!


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/x603jG2Eo66_EN_LR.jpg)

Rubbish, but it's an octopus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2013, 10:25:13 AM
getting excited for it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 03, 2013, 11:12:07 AM
If there is some way to make that giant indestructable... That would be pretty amazing. Even so I guess he could be handy vs mini spam decks... 4 for a 3/5 with vigi is pretty cheap by itself I reckon!

I agree the octo is rather rubbish. Make it the same cost as the giant and it's still not great but I guess you could use it as a defender until you get your mana up...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2013, 11:20:24 AM
"4 for a 3/5 with vigi is pretty cheap by itself I reckon"

yup, usable, with the monstrosity as an added bonus. That's what they'll have to be, because monstrosity is too expensive really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2013, 12:03:03 PM
Monstrous is probably most useful in sealed.


This is flufftastic:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/cJYRmUzeacB_EN_LR.jpg)

Yes! Turn into pigs!


Also flufftastic, but weak and shouldn't be rare:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/qwkKJ8tiw2t_EN_LR.jpg)

Unless I'm missing something, it's a rubbish version of journey to nowhere.


This guy...

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/tVI4bJ9j94Z_EN_LR.jpg)

...has an amazing ability. He just needs an enchantment to boost his stats a bit!


Oh, and this is quite good even without using monstrous. 4/4 trample and protection from enchantments for 4 mana is ok!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/F0mLgfOpcp4_EN_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2013, 12:37:09 PM
I like that those pigs are as powerful as bears!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2013, 12:39:34 PM
Big scary pigs!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on September 03, 2013, 02:50:13 PM
Man Bear Pigs!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on September 03, 2013, 04:41:47 PM
Big scary pigs!
Have you ever seen angry Pigs?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on September 05, 2013, 10:54:57 PM
(https://sphotos-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1234866_10151621842468456_158413642_n.jpg)
This card is fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2013, 11:14:39 PM
Yes, I want to use him against Siby! No life gaining for you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on September 05, 2013, 11:18:01 PM
The life gain is nice, the card draw is awesome.  Toss him in an extort/blood baron/Ghost council deck and he is amazing. 

Two of these would work well to replace my Sorins.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2013, 11:22:12 PM
He's like Greed with some bonuses and the potential to become a creature!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=15379&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on September 05, 2013, 11:26:27 PM
Greed was awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2013, 08:13:39 AM
Simic!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/uzPv2ZfoQ8I_EN_LR.jpg)


And... the Theros dual lands.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/9Ce5QjLsCkt_EN_LR.jpg)

Like guildgates, with a bit of scrying. Just five to start with (the colour combinations from gatecrash).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 06, 2013, 09:55:48 AM
Wow, that prophet is really good. 2 turns of casting! Handy. And I like the dual lands. The scry offsets the slowness.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 07, 2013, 07:46:31 PM
Yes, I want to use him against Siby! No life gaining for you!

Expect to be chained to rocks.  :-P

As to that card, it's only 1 to cast, that's what it has over journey which is 2. Whether that makes it worth it, I dunno. But I'll probably use it. The imagery of chaining all your creatures up is rather nice.  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2013, 08:53:28 PM
But you need a mountain to cast it on. So, unless you have the red/white shockland, you'll have two mana anyway!

I do like the theme of the card though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 07, 2013, 10:06:49 PM
True... Though I guess it might free up your mana more if you have little dudes to play or abilities....
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2013, 10:13:52 PM
Shouldn't be rare though! Journey was common!

Nobody is ever on GCCG.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 07, 2013, 10:54:15 PM
Didn't notice it was rare, odd.

When you say noone do you mean at all or me and fin?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2013, 11:06:22 PM
Yes, I meant you guys! I don't want to play random people!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2013, 02:02:31 PM
Ah just checking. If there was no one at all I would assume that problem got worse...

Very wise, 95% of those random people are terrible  :-P.

I honestly haven't been in there since we last played and I really need to do that update! You know I've realised what the problem with magic in real life is. It's not the game. That has it's issues and whatnot for sure, but it's a great system and the imagery is a lot better than most other games out there. It's the people! I went in my lgs yesterday to pick up some paint and there was a magic event going on. The people that play this game are either all 12, or apparently seem to think that 12 was a god age to stick at and so are weirdos who act like they are 12.

It's a pity because it's such a good game. But life seems to short to go and spend hours with a bunch of people like that. It's not fun. If only other slightly more balanced people would play it, it'd be wonderful. I mean, lots of people play Dominion and frankly it's not a million miles away... ok, I will stop ranting now.

I am gonna start my computer updating so I am ready to play when the time comes. I will do it now! But you probably should message me and vise versa when you think you might be available to play for a while. Less missing each other and sitting around then...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on September 08, 2013, 03:27:34 PM
And then there are the alpha nerds whose self worth is defined by their ability to win at magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2013, 03:55:18 PM
Yeh. I almost hated doing well at drafting because I knew I would end up facing one of the guys who crushes you and laughs at the stuff you are playing as he does so. When I whoop someone as happens every now and again I try not to rub it in their face. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy winning, just maybe have some dignity. The only thing worse than bad winners is bad losers... Though it's a pretty close thing.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2013, 08:04:49 AM
But you probably should message me and vise versa when you think you might be available to play for a while. Less missing each other and sitting around then...

Will do!



(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/wzV6zscsvwB_EN_LR.jpg)

Die, lamewalkers!


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/8x2vHVs5J2Y_EN_LR.jpg)

 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 09, 2013, 02:08:33 PM
I did update now,I guess all my decks should still be legal for a bit right? But I'd be up for some sealed m14 too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2013, 02:11:11 PM
Innistrad block and M13 are legal until the end of this month! In standard, anyway.

I'm going to miss lingering souls.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 09, 2013, 02:14:21 PM
I'm going to miss lingering souls.  :icon_sad:

what a shame

 :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2013, 02:17:53 PM
I hate you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 09, 2013, 05:01:03 PM
Have to say I am with fin on this one :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2013, 08:18:16 PM
Ghost haters!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 09, 2013, 11:55:56 PM
Any ghosts in the spoilers yet?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2013, 11:59:09 PM
I don't think so! I'm not sure if there will be any or not.

Lots of scrying though. I'm going to be scrying the house down.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2013, 08:58:06 AM
A whip!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/xNQzZUPSlCc_EN_LR.jpg)


You can use this to get the ghost council back if they die!

Or bring this into play (uncastable otherwise):

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/agZGTvlKD7T_EN_LR.jpg)


Counter-scry!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/WAWsq6UvXlu_EN_LR.jpg)


Trojan horse:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/Y6GstutHmSL_EN_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 10, 2013, 03:16:30 PM
I was excited by a new defender, but I dislike that greatly.

I see that whip has lifelink...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2013, 04:12:34 PM
C'mon though, Trojan horse! Themetastic.


I see that whip has lifelink...

It's not for you!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 10, 2013, 11:40:59 PM
All creatures lifelink... Oh the possibilities!

I am reading the horse correctly right?

So when you cast it, your opponent gets it... Then you gradually get soldier tokens... Actually I guess it's not as bad as I thought if you can pump them or something, plus your opponent needs to find a way to kill it. Though that shouldn't be too hard if you attack him... Nah I'm still not sold on it, though the theme is very themey I grant you...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2013, 09:30:21 AM
I agree that it doesn't seem very useful. I just think it's cool!


Likewise:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/SoB2nZAwOL4_EN_LR.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1317_0rej0qag79_bir.jpg)


On the subject of tokens:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1317_0rej0qag79_boa.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2013, 10:05:40 AM
“boar”


I like the swan song art! Swantastic. I wonder if I could do a bird scry deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2013, 11:23:36 AM
Revenge of the bird deck!

Swan song isn't very good though. A more limited 'negate' with a major drawback, with the only bonus being it costs one less mana? Unless you want to counter your own spells to get swans!

Hopefully there will be another swan-generator in the set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2013, 11:53:33 AM
(http://threekingsloot.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/steam-augury.png?w=265&h=370)

Do want!

Izzet!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 11, 2013, 02:02:27 PM
I love the idea of countering your own spells to get tokens!

It reminds me of a deck I had that relied on you ending your turn on 1 health to win. It was full of fogs and little ding spells and such. I just let people beat on me till I got close, then played the enchantment and zapped myself for the win. Very demoralising for your opponent, very satisfying for you. To sum up, a terrible way to play magic but entertaining to use on those netdeck dudes on gccg, hehe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2013, 02:06:21 PM
I didn’t mean to do that! Not practical at all. I just like scry, and birds.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2013, 03:42:01 PM
I'm just going to cast steam augury all day.

It's 'fact or fiction' but with some red in the cost, right? So it's amazing!


Quote from: Siberius
To sum up, a terrible way to play magic but entertaining to use on those netdeck dudes on gccg, hehe.

Ha ha, I bet that blew their minds!

"You can't use that card! The internet says it's rubbish"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 11, 2013, 08:50:15 PM
I'm very excited about Theros.  I plan to run "white weenie" with a red splash for the R/W human soldier legend, burn spells, and Chained to the Rocks.  I've already preordered my box.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2013, 08:53:13 PM
That sounds like a major change from your Boros deck!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 11, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
That sounds like a major change from your Boros deck!  ::heretic::

That's the idea!  One of the ways I manage to play Standard without breaking the bank is by just evolving the same deck when the format rotates, rather than build a new one every time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2013, 10:21:18 PM
That's very sensible. I was just teasing.

Theros might have better cards for your deck than Innistrad did.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on September 12, 2013, 03:37:23 PM
That sounds like a major change from your Boros deck!  ::heretic::

That's the idea!  One of the ways I manage to play Standard without breaking the bank is by just evolving the same deck when the format rotates, rather than build a new one every time.

Yeah, pretty much.  But I am once again fading out of the competitive scene for a while.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 12, 2013, 06:49:06 PM
(http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/cards/24086.jpg)!!


!!!!

birds!


!!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 12, 2013, 11:08:19 PM
I'm sure I mentioned that to you before!

Also, why is GCCG so slow to load? It's much worse on my new computer than it was on the really old one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 13, 2013, 09:23:16 AM
Maybe, but I forgot?

No idea, it’s weird, it got much faster for me when I got my new computer vs using my laptop?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2013, 09:35:34 AM
Could it be something to do with windows 8, do you think?  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 13, 2013, 10:56:54 AM
I think it may be the latest mtg update.  I have windows 8 on my laptop and it was working pretty fast, but I noticed after updating to m14 when I signed in to check it was there it took a while. I am ok with it as long as it doesn't keep crashing... We shall see!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2013, 11:03:03 AM
Finlay and I played last night, and it didn't crash once. There was just a lot of waiting around between games because of my terrible loading times!

Anyway, I expect to see you on there soon!

M14 sealed was OK. I'm looking forward to Theros arriving though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 13, 2013, 01:57:18 PM
Good news! The crashing was driving me crazy. Long load times are annoying, but at least you can play...

In terms of when I might come on... Hmm... Weekend is looking bad, well possibly this evening depending on what else is going on...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on September 13, 2013, 04:25:53 PM
On the subject of tokens:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1317_0rej0qag79_boa.jpg)
Is that boar wearing pants?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 13, 2013, 04:39:47 PM
nope, a cloak.

not up on your odyssean mythology, novo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe#Homer.27s_Odyssey

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 13, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
I downloaded Magic 2013 on XBOX360 because it was free. It's pretty fun. I'm enjoying the fire deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on September 13, 2013, 06:37:27 PM
nope, a cloak.

not up on your odyssean mythology, novo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe#Homer.27s_Odyssey
We never saw this in History classe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 14, 2013, 08:22:37 PM
On the subject of tokens:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1317_0rej0qag79_boa.jpg)
Is that boar wearing pants?

Even if you don't know the mythology, the card that makes Boar tokens does so by turning the other guy's guys into them!  I guess it's good form to bring tokens for him to use.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2013, 07:50:05 AM
Simic!

I like this one:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/UJAhOjb9LWP_EN_LR.jpg)


I think the full spoiler is up now.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/theros/cig#


Also, precon decks:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/productarticle.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/theros/intropacks#deck1

The blue one has the kraken and the swine curse spell! Want.

And the black one has whip of erebos.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 17, 2013, 12:09:13 PM
Breaking news! I might make it on today...!

I like the art for that chimera. Plus lots of random rules. If you could find something to pump it up slightly, it could be a game winner.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2013, 02:07:28 PM
Breaking news! I might make it on today...!

About time! I'm expecting the theros cards to be on GCCG this weekend, to coincide with the real life prerelease.


The chimera gets +1T, flash and the lifegain thing for one mana more than drakewing krasis. Not bad!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 17, 2013, 02:30:46 PM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/5qQMYdVHPKA_EN_LR.jpg)

Some of the new rules seem a tad confusing to me, but even ignoring them, this doesn't seem too bad. First strike is such a pain in the butt.



(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/AuNJQmGnHzz_EN_LR.jpg)

Why are griffons always rubbish in mtg?


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/jWGV06WMAzv_EN_LR.jpg)

I guess if you use that archon's rediculously expensive rule on this guy it might be goodnight...



(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/z9WIdzFdqD1_EN_LR.jpg)

 :-o



White human decks already looking nifty... I saw a bunch of them in the spoiler you could use and some nice cards to boost them...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2013, 02:40:55 PM
I don't really like Heliod! There's even a white card that exiles him. The blue and black gods are better.

'Bestow' seems to cost too much in almost every case.

Griffons are always rubbish! I think it's a tradition.


Hmmm, I didn't notice that the hero had double strike, not first strike. That's pretty brutal combined with an instant that gives target creature +whatever until the end of the turn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 17, 2013, 03:16:09 PM
Yeh, I find it hard to believe that hero won't be in all the net decks...

There are 2 rubbish griffons in this set already, it's impressive!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2013, 03:18:34 PM
Someone should make a griffon theme deck, and try to win a game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 17, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
That hero is a beast, and will be one of the most expensive cards of the set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 17, 2013, 08:08:01 PM
That hero is a beast, and will be one of the most expensive cards of the set.

I'm not so sure...he has a ton of competition at the 3-CMC slot: Fiendslayer Paladin, Ajax and Cymede, and Banisher Priest.  If I build around Heroic though, he'll be in for sure.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2013, 06:59:54 AM
I didn't like the rules for theros.

Bestow and gigantic are too expensive.
Devotion is only on a handful of cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2013, 07:22:47 AM
There's a red satyr which I have no ides what its for.

Vulpine Goliath us funny. Huge fox!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2013, 07:49:52 AM
Quote
I didn't like the rules for theros.

We haven't even played yet! C'mon!


Mega-fox is cool.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/QhKkJmt030L_EN_LR.jpg)


Which satyr? The one that damages you?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2013, 07:54:11 AM
Also, even undead griffons are lame:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373697&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2013, 09:34:15 AM
Which satyr? The one that damages you?
I like scry being in it, and I do like heroic as I quite like using enchantments anyway. There are also some really great instant common spells which I like a lot. Blue, white and green look fun!
I really like the idea of devotion to encourage more monocolur decks, but it’s only on the gods, right? And monstrosity and bestow are universally too expensive.  (I think I saw one monstrosity I’d want to use)
Although I guess monstrosity might be good in sealed in a slow game If you get lots of mana.

(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=145679&d=1378958445)
whats it for?!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2013, 09:47:08 AM
The satyr is a new version of this classic:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=217974&type=card)

Jackal pup was used in ultra-aggressive red decks, at a time when getting a 2/1 for one was very unusual. The drawback didn't matter because the red deck had to win fast or it would run out of steam anyway.

But with creatures the way they are these days, I don't think it's that good.



There are a few good monstrosity cards, such as lion-in-a-wig:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/Ge4LjlHYvd9_EN_LR.jpg)


Devotion is on 16 cards, according to gatherer. So it's true that it's not that common. Maybe more in the expansions?


On the subject of enchantments:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ths/obasdfkjw8324lz/eIaKIpU8zYY_EN_LR.jpg)

Unblockable and scry for one mana!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2013, 10:03:54 AM
why is the satyr rare? lame!


yup, that was the monstrosity i thought was good, and one of the common spells which caught my eye.


Now, imagine getting that enchantment on a scroll thief. scry and draw? b--b-b-b-b-beast

these caught my eye
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/warriorslesson.jpg)
(http://static.tappedout.net/mtg-cards/_user-added/dritz-Coordinated%20Assault_medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2013, 10:12:24 AM
There are some very questionable rares in this set, for sure. Chained to the rocks!

Both of those instants are amazing with heroic stuff. The green one almost says 'draw two cards!'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 18, 2013, 10:48:20 AM
I'm definitely excited about the new block. Weird rules aside.

Also apparently I rock at m14   :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2013, 10:49:55 AM
Booooo!

Nasty sliver man!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2013, 11:21:50 AM
I lost all 3 games! And have lost 5 out of the 6 ive played. Deviating from my norm.
I’m excited for this block because it isn’t that shitty last one they released.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2013, 11:59:45 AM
I lost twice to the Sibster, then won against you... which made me happy again. Ha ha!

I still maintain that dragon's maze had some decent cards, even though it was a bit lame overall.


I'm thinking blue/white humans for Theros!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2013, 12:25:37 PM
im thinking of white green, blue white. trying to emphasise card draw (white green might be best for this, with that spell?)

and a blue green to merge with simic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2013, 12:35:34 PM
I also want to do a new Izzet deck! There are some good cards for them now.

I'm not sure about Orzov, but you hate them anyway!

White/green is probably good, but I don't like that combination much.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2013, 12:37:49 PM
I think white/green is my favourite.



saw this, and thought of you.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ths/cards/spellheartchimera.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2013, 12:41:57 PM
Yes, that's nice! Sky goat of doom.

There are almost too many izzety creatures, in fact. Pyromancer, guttersnipe, goblin electromancer, that izzet cyclops, the new sky goat, Muzzy Izzet himself... all of them want you to have loads of spells. It's a tricky balance.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 18, 2013, 01:49:11 PM
I mainly did well last night because my deck almost came out exactly as I would want. I played 3 colours but they all came out as needed every time and as soon as you guys killed a few creatures elixer was there to pop them back in my deck. I wouldn't have had much better luck picking stuff out by hand. I know I had a lot of nice creatures but my mana curve was dodgy. Almost no 1 or 2 mana ones.

I don't know what way I will go in theros. As I was having luck with black blue in ravnica and you guys had no interest in that at all maybe I will be adventurous and go that route...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 18, 2013, 06:47:29 PM
Day[9] vs. Rob Simpson in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers Episode 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmouDgc9hD8
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 18, 2013, 08:34:27 PM
Bestow and Monsterous are very overprices, except for Wig Lion, as Rufus pointed out.

The new Jackel Pup is okay, but suckd compared to the white 1-drop 2/1s (Dryad Militant and Soldier of the Pantheon).

Heroic has great potential, though.  The 2/2 doublestrike heroic guy is nuts...hit him with a Martial Glory at he's hitting for 12!  Pair him with Cavalry Pegasus, and that's 13+ flying damage coming at you on turn 4, potentially with Gods Willing backup if they're holding removal.  I'm excited.   :evil:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 19, 2013, 01:02:12 AM
Day[9] vs. Rob Simpson in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers Episode 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmouDgc9hD8

I literally was just about to post this. I had the URL copied and everything. You win this time ...  :x
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 19, 2013, 02:22:34 AM
Day[9] vs. Rob Simpson in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers Episode 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmouDgc9hD8

I literally was just about to post this. I had the URL copied and everything. You win this time ...  :x

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77gw7id4T1rodl1qo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 19, 2013, 02:35:25 AM
Day[9] vs. Rob Simpson in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers Episode 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmouDgc9hD8

I literally was just about to post this. I had the URL copied and everything. You win this time ...  :x

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77gw7id4T1rodl1qo1_400.gif)

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/417/853/4b8.gif)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 19, 2013, 03:58:50 AM
(http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx330/Aubreebree/Starcraft%20GIFs/day9-heart2_o_GIFSoupcom.gif)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 19, 2013, 05:33:43 AM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll3m5phbgK1qb686oo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 19, 2013, 02:58:29 PM
So, anyway....


Theros is on GCCG! The gods themselves demand that we play!

I'm going to make a sealed deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 19, 2013, 03:12:39 PM
Is your comp going any faster reloading since the update?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 19, 2013, 03:18:29 PM
I don't think so.  :icon_confused:

But I haven't tried playing a game yet, so I remain hopeful!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 19, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
therossssss
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 19, 2013, 06:57:29 PM
I got 3 shitty griffins in my sealed pack! hurrah
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 19, 2013, 08:38:52 PM
I'm on with a sealed, if either of you two are!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 19, 2013, 08:51:59 PM
I reckon I be in there in a few mins, then a few mins to throw together a sealed of my own...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 19, 2013, 09:09:11 PM
Trying to get the damn thing to load now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 19, 2013, 09:21:38 PM
neither of you are on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 19, 2013, 10:02:03 PM
Yes we are.

Woooohoooo, epic Theros victory! Sandal-wearing hydra to the rescue.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 19, 2013, 10:33:20 PM
How theros-y!



I'm away tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 19, 2013, 10:36:10 PM
Then I'll just play Siby, and we can talk about how much we hate you.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 19, 2013, 11:30:57 PM
I just made a new sealed deck with my other name. You were still there rufus but you left! It's totally different to my vaskel one... should be interesting. Perhaps rubbish but it's quite themey... so definitely rubbish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 19, 2013, 11:51:30 PM
Sorry! Didn't see you. I've been trying to fix my loading problems.

I found out that you can clear your cache by typing /clearcache (who'd have thought it), which is meant to help. We'll see!


Also I made a new sealed deck. It's three-color, Siby style!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 07:46:15 AM
This set is definitely 3 colourable... As long as one of them is green.  :-P

Lot's of cards that give you multicolour mana it seems.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2013, 09:05:06 AM
It's green/white/red!

I had a couple of multicolored cards I felt I had to use.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 11:07:14 AM
Green white red may be my all time favourite colour combination.

Mine is red/black.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 20, 2013, 11:11:25 AM
I got that good izzet chimera last night, but not enough instant or sorc to use it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2013, 02:32:14 PM
Red/black may be my least favorite color combination! That or blue/black.


Izzet chimera isn't really a sealed card, I think. Constructed only.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
Yeh not a big red black fan myself. But I went with what I had!

I feel like I've noticed a lack of amazing instant/sorcery so far. I am sure combined with izzet, it'll be great but agree there's not much to take advantage of it thus far. Also noticed this with heroic in general. My decks have beem very creature/enchantment heavy, so questionable usage.

Monstrous on the other hand has been a big deal in sealed. I am guessing you won't get to use it quite so reliably in constructed though. Just if you can stall out long enough. Theros defender/wall deck is calling my name though...! Might be my first constructed.

Before I start making anything, are we going to impose any rules?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 20, 2013, 04:02:13 PM
free for all for a bit, until we annoy each other I think
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 04:13:32 PM
Sounds reasonable.

If and when that happens, perhaps we could make things easier by having a rarity tax a bit like warhammer. Maybe only 1 in 5 (15 max) uncommon and a 1 in 10 (6 max) rare and a 1 in 30 (2 max) mythicsrares so that the rarity actually means something.

I know it won't be perfect but it would cut down on silly decks a bit...

Anyways, for now anything goes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 07:38:39 PM
Rufus, I am gonna try and be on around 5 here which I guess is 10 there...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2013, 08:53:40 PM
I'm on now!

Haven't thought about constructed decks yet though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2013, 09:27:46 PM
Turn 2: wig lion.
Turn 3 Anax and Cymede
Turn 5: Siby rage-quits?  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 09:33:36 PM
My internet has gone barmy. If I can get back online I may have a solution to that opening hand...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2013, 09:35:56 PM
It had to happen then!

I hope you get back on. My loading time problem is fixed! Clearing the cache did it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
That is very good news. My internet keeps trying to restart but failing... i'm scared... I can live without food... but internet?!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2013, 09:38:12 PM
No one can live without the internet!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
It's not looking good.  :|

I'm giving it a few more mins but this seems unusual...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2013, 09:47:10 PM
Oh no!

I feel as though I broke your internet with wig lion.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 09:50:03 PM
I think you did. Well it is still flashing at me so I may have to give up. Rather sucky I must say. I was looking forward to some unimpeded magicing.

I think we should be able to finish that game next time though. i had a plan to at least maybe hang around a turn or so and if not you deserve your win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2013, 09:55:23 PM
I did save the game, so we should be able to resume. I hope your internet fixes itself!

I feel unsatisfied!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 10:04:50 PM
Me too!

I just went and checked in case of miracles. Alas, no miracle.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
Come on, miracle!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240133&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2013, 10:49:19 PM
You still about? I may have had that miracle!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 21, 2013, 12:12:05 AM
Hurrah for miracles!

I think that was my best sealed deck ever. My cards were far too good. Wig lion is mean.


Also, in constructed, I think the heroic+cipher experiment worked, even though I lost the game. Hidden strings = up to two heroic triggers per turn! Too bad Daxos or whatever he's called could only manage to hit lands and indices with his ability!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 21, 2013, 01:32:33 AM
Yeh I got super lucky with you getting max 1 mana things from that. It's not so much the heroic trigger that pained me as much as the multitap!

Looking forward to doing some new Dimir. After seeing your sneaky cipher thing, I will reexamine the others. I am a bog fan of trying to make bad cards somehow work! Also I quite like non-zombie orientated blue black. It's pleasant to look at.

Your sealed deck was amazing and my removal pathetic. My only chance was to outfight you and ot soon became apparent that was never gonna happen. In a real sealed event I might well have rebuilt my whole deck before game 2 just to try a different approach!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 21, 2013, 12:02:28 PM
I did a gatherer search on cipher cards just now, and hidden strings and hands of binding look to be the only good ones. But maybe I'm wrong!

I was very lucky with my sealed cards. Unblockahelmet was great in a set with few walls. I want to save that deck and use it all the time!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 21, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
call of the nightwing might not be too bad.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366308&type=card)

4 mana yes, but if you can get a flier with it ciphered on it could be promising...

Uh oh, so imagine this, unblockable helm and a cipher spell on this guy...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373543&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366455&type=card)
^ Expensive but if you can trigger that twice a turn...


It seems like the ciphers are all a bit expensive as one offs but if you can get them working for free every turn are they really that expensive?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 21, 2013, 12:32:35 PM
Hidden strings is the only one that's suitable for triggering heroic!

Agent of the fates is a strong card anyway.


Quote
It seems like the ciphers are all a bit expensive as one offs but if you can get them working for free every turn are they really that expensive?

Yes, I think they are too expensive! And they need a lot of support. You have to protect the encoded creature, and force it through to deal damage to a player every turn. Not that easy.

Since the copy is cast, it does trigger extort though, which is nice!

Cipher would also be good with double-strike, since the creature deals damage twice and so casts two copies. Double-strikers tend to be white or red though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 21, 2013, 12:48:43 PM
I foresee a lot of work on my part trying to gradually hone a nice blue black deck... it will need to be really well balanced to work. Maybe unblovkable rogues with some cipher and then a mix of counters and kill spells... or maybe I can find some hex proof, though I don't remember a lot of black or blue hexproof...

I look forward to it though. I love green and white but I feel like we'll see plenty of that. Blue and black will be a nice change.

You are going to hate it if I get this one going though...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366231&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 21, 2013, 01:11:15 PM
6 mana! I'm not scared of that.  :icon_razz:

Most of the good hexproof creatures are rotating out, I think.

There's a double-strike equipment in M14 you could use.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370715&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 21, 2013, 02:50:35 PM
I was gonna do some research but I think gatherer needs updating. Standard is still including innistrad. I got all excited about this unblockable hexproof blue ghost, perfect! But out of rotation now :'(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 21, 2013, 05:52:32 PM
Theros isn't actually out until next Friday, so gatherer is technically correct!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 22, 2013, 02:09:52 PM
That might explain things!

So I had horribly good luck against my brother yesterday. And it was his first time with Theros.I actually felt bad.

In one game I had this combination going...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373606&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373566&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373510&type=card)

Yes, a double striking 6/6 with trample who even if he died would come back again... I hit for 14 and killed him pretty fast. Not only would the guy come back but that bestowed 3/3 would pop into life too! Outrageous.

I have yet to see a draft game that doesn't involve green somewhere...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2013, 02:27:38 PM
was this wioth real cards siby?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 22, 2013, 02:34:45 PM
Nah, on GCCG. Just sealed Theros. When I saw Hero and Gift pop up I knew what colour i was going but I still didn't expect to get them both out with 3 or 4 turns...

I was going to see if Rufus wanted to play him when I left but Rufus had gone radio silent.

We did 2 sealeds and I won every game in both. It was horrendous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2013, 04:04:37 PM
good rares to get!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 22, 2013, 04:28:10 PM
Yeh and to get them so early in the game...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 22, 2013, 06:00:33 PM
Is it too early to say that Theros sealed is a bit unbalanced?  :unsure:


I was going to see if Rufus wanted to play him when I left but Rufus had gone radio silent.

Oh! I must have left by then.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2013, 06:41:29 PM
what do you mean unbalanced, heavily weighted on the cards you get?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2013, 08:24:57 PM
I made a (bad) constructed
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 22, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
When Siby and I played the other day, I won all three games... I felt like my cards were just a lot better than his!

I'm on the site now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2013, 09:00:40 PM
i'm also on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 22, 2013, 09:29:08 PM
Don't restrict your card choice after saying we can use anything, Finlay! Now I feel bad!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 22, 2013, 10:16:30 PM
You know, I may have not picked the best cards. I really think I lean towards white and green in sealed but maybe there was a better deck I could have made that would have hurt you with other colours...

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 22, 2013, 10:23:59 PM
Could be. No color loyalty in sealed! Play what's best!  ::heretic::


Finlay just massively upset me with a cunning trick.  :icon_frown:


Doublestrike hero is ridiculous. So much damage! target target target.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2013, 10:53:08 PM
he's getting the fuck banned out of him when we go to real, so enjoy him while you can

 :-P

But seriously, I'm not at all upset about your deck kerbstomping me, it was my fault for saying no restrictions and then restricting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 22, 2013, 10:59:55 PM
I'm going to miss him and his cheaty rules.


it was my fault for saying no restrictions and then restricting.

That's the kind of thing I do! But I didn't this time.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 22, 2013, 11:23:40 PM
You're really going to ban Fabled Hero?  I've given up on him in Standard...he just always gets Shocked.  Or Magma Jetted.  Or Lightning Struck.  Or Doom Bladed.  If you couldn't tell, testing of my double-strike heroic deck was frustrating.   :eusa_wall:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2013, 11:26:21 PM
If we switch to 'real standard' with our two dollar limit, or whatever it was, he probably won't be legal, although you said you didn't think he'd be expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 23, 2013, 12:10:27 AM
If we switch to 'real standard' with our two dollar limit, or whatever it was, he probably won't be legal, although you said you didn't think he'd be expensive.

Presale-ing on Star City Games (whose prices are high) for $2.  I don't think he'll go higher.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 23, 2013, 07:49:15 AM
To be honest I think we're probably just a bunch of cry babies who don't want to have to alter our decks to accomodate what each other are taking.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 07:59:20 AM
I don't really understand the 'well, x card is good, but it gets hit by removal'
As any good card can be hit by removal, apart from big bodies to burn spells and so much removal isn't damage based anyway
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 09:05:48 AM
Yes, you have to ignore 99% of creatures if you're worried about removal spells killing them. Wig lion!


Quote from: magic site
Chained to the Rocks was originally common. In design playtest, we ended up moving it to uncommon. Erik then later moved it up to rare in development as at uncommon it was warping Limited play.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/266

Grrrr. Should be common! It's worse than journey to nowhere!  ::heretic::

It's already limited by making you play red as well as white.



I suddenly want to buy loads of Theros cards! But this is usually the worst time to do that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 10:34:14 AM
Cards I really want to buy:

curse of the swine
steam augury
red/blue chimera and blue/green chimera
prophet of kruphix
bow of nylea
bident of thassa
whip of erebus
shipbreaker kraken
scry lands?


Wait or buy now?  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 23, 2013, 10:40:02 AM
I think towie's point it is really easy to remove. No hexproof, small toughness. I think we often don't take enough removal. I know I don't unless I go total control. Some things resist a lot of removal like big walls which are hard to burn or debuff to death...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 10:42:42 AM
I think towie's point it is really easy to remove.

So are most things! It's still good.

I don't think it's overpowered. It's just solid.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 10:53:03 AM
I think towie's point it is really easy to remove. No hexproof, small toughness. I think we often don't take enough removal. I know I don't unless I go total control. Some things resist a lot of removal like big walls which are hard to burn or debuff to death...
my point is, apart from burn spells and hexproof, removal can just as easily remove a 2 body as a 10 body.


how much are those cards now rufus?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 11:00:03 AM
how much are those cards now rufus?

Like Ģ1 to Ģ2:50 ish. But unpopular rares always drop to about 40p after a short while. Sometimes things start low and go up when people start using them!

Dilemma.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 11:15:56 AM
yes, i should have bought master biomancer straight away.

the artifacts are good,

tricky!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 11:25:17 AM
I'm kind of worried that steam augury will go up... but it might not.

Bow and whip are in intro decks, as is curse of the swine. So that will keep their prices down.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 11:31:57 AM
can you link me to the intro decks rufel?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 11:35:36 AM
What, the deck lists? Here:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1323

I think you get two boosters in each one, as well as the deck. You can get them for Ģ10 with free postage on ebay.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 01:14:22 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Gift%20of%20Immortality&options=)

I love this art
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 01:21:26 PM
Didn't notice the cloud mirroring the person until now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 23, 2013, 01:54:46 PM
I think towie's point it is really easy to remove. No hexproof, small toughness. I think we often don't take enough removal. I know I don't unless I go total control. Some things resist a lot of removal like big walls which are hard to burn or debuff to death...
my point is, apart from burn spells and hexproof, removal can just as easily remove a 2 body as a 10 body.

But, but , but isn't that the point? Why are we not including burn spells? A lot of decks run burn or -modofier cards as their removal. Hence compared to a 10 or even a 5 more decks will be able to deal with him...

I'm fairly sure that there are twice as many removal cards that can take him down than a 5/5 no special rules guy. Course that's when you slap gift of immortaliy on him and make people cry!

Enchantment removal, essential in theros? Aside from a bunch of good standard enchantments you have all those bestow cards too... I don't know how good they will be in constructed but in sealed those things kinda rock.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 02:02:22 PM
Why are we not including burn spells?

I do, if I'm playing red. I use loads.


Quote
Enchantment removal, essential in theros?

Yes, if you are in the right colors. Don't play bad enchantment removal!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 23, 2013, 02:04:11 PM
You made me want to cry when i played that titan guy and monstered him up to a 20/20 and then you artifact removaled him.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 02:05:13 PM
Enough removal is non-burn based that I don’t see that card at a significant disadvantage vs removal than any creature. Of course you have wig lion or indesctructible gods. But not generally for 3 mana.



Enchant removal, yes I think crucial. Bound to come up vs heroic stuff. I don’t see why any deck with blue wouldn’t take 4 aqeuous forms.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 02:14:26 PM
Oh, I think I misread what you were saying about burn spells.


You made me want to cry when i played that titan guy and monstered him up to a 20/20 and then you artifact removaled him.  :-P

Lucky I had that overpriced exile spell at the right moment!


Quote from: Finlay
Enough removal is non-burn based that I don’t see that card at a significant disadvantage vs removal than any creature. Of course you have wig lion or indesctructible gods. But not generally for 3 mana.

Right. He's a three mana creature. Of course he's easier to remove than some more expensive thing! So what?


p.s. you can turn a god into a pig for three mana!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 02:18:25 PM
Well towie is obviously right about his price, as I was expecting him a bit higher. I guess real standard is meant to take away the really nasty things that are hard to answer, ie obzedat. He is easy to answer. He’s just still good for 3 mana! MOAR REMOVAL

P.s. thus proving cersei is the ruler of (west)theros.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 02:22:14 PM
Boris reckoner was very cheap when gatecrash was released... he later became the most expensive card in the set for a while, beating planeswalkers and the ghost council! So who knows.


Quote
P.s. thus proving cersei is the ruler of (west)theros.

Ha, nice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 03:11:03 PM
is whatshisface hoplite dude in any of the intro packs? As you said before, that keeps the price down.
I want to make more decks, what are you two running? Rufus has a scrymic, and an izzety one? I want to use different stuff to you guys.



Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 03:21:57 PM
Double strike dude isn't in an intro deck.


So far I made scrymic, izzet, and blue/white heroic decks. Am also going to update the infamous Orzhov deck! Though it might be rubbish without lingering souls.

I think it's hard to avoid making similar decks, unless you go for a really mad theme. Even then I have a bad habit of copying people!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 03:35:30 PM
Well, no one is using green red, much black. For example.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 03:44:04 PM
If you make a red/green deck and it beats me, I am likely to make my own.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 23, 2013, 04:57:48 PM
I am going to concentrate on dimir colours for now. Try and hone something out of them seeing as they aren't all that popular and I like to go the unpopular route.

Also I might try some mono colour what with devotion being about. So my first 2 decks will likely be blue/black and green stompy. After that, expect bizarre attempts to make rubbish cards work as per my norm.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 05:30:37 PM
I swapped to mono blue last night, as Rufus' blue green was just a better version of mine!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 23, 2013, 06:09:48 PM
My mono green is gonna be amazing sometimes and horrific other times, I can see it already. Just finished making it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 06:37:54 PM
I just made a sealed as well, for when I get bored of rufus whupping me
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 06:53:06 PM
oo, 2 intimidate enchantments, to help lifelink, ordeal of erebos and heroic!

doh, they're innistrad block
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 07:05:17 PM
how does Black remove the gods?

tragic slip isnt standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 23, 2013, 07:28:21 PM
I think towie's point it is really easy to remove. No hexproof, small toughness. I think we often don't take enough removal. I know I don't unless I go total control. Some things resist a lot of removal like big walls which are hard to burn or debuff to death...

This is exactly right.  Compare Fabled Hero to, say, Loxodon Smiter.  Both deal 4 damage when they hit, both cost 3 mana to play, but most of the removal spells that I named kill the Hero, but not the elephant man.  The Hero has a huge upside in that any pump spell you play on him count more than double, but his downside is he's much easier to kill.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 07:31:28 PM
yes, but loxodon smiter is bent :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 07:54:36 PM
And it's green/white. I don't like green/white.


Quote
how does Black remove the gods?

Um. It doesn't?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 23, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Hmm, Fin I still can't find a good answer.

What is a god when it is in your hand? It's type is creature enchantment... but it specifically says it is not a creature until your devotion is up. Is that just in a phyiscal presence way or does it only count as an enchantment until then... because Fin cast um, I forget, but it says to discard a noncreature card. So is it a 'creature' all the time even if it isn't a creature?



Good games though... pity I couldn't get started in that last one. Amazing how fast intimidate will kill you when you have no killing power! Mono green is always risky though...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 08:12:27 PM
i think it was duress.
does that force the gods to go away?

The only other way we came up with, was get heroic on agent of the fates when they had no other creatures.

but that wouldn't work if they dont count as creatures unless devotion starts.

good games! I'm back again btw.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 08:14:08 PM
also, does extort trigger heroic?

does cipher?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 23, 2013, 08:17:52 PM
also, does extort trigger heroic?

does cipher?

No, and no.  Heroic is only triggered when you cast a spell from your hand and choose the Heroic creature as the target of that spell.

Re: killing gods...it's not easy, but there are ways.  You can make them discard it, or make them sacrifice it, or exile it.  Usually the best plan is just blow up enough of their stuff that they stay off devotion.  Their abilities are pretty tame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
which would explain why we think that hero is better than you do!

rufus was ciphering the crap out of it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 09:09:50 PM
Heroic is only triggered when you cast a spell from your hand and choose the Heroic creature as the target of that spell.

Cipher triggers heroic. The copy is cast, and there is no requirement that it be from your hand.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/faq/ths

Heroic — Whenever you cast a spell that targets X, then Y


Quote
Heroic abilities will resolve before the spell that caused them to trigger.

Heroic abilities will trigger only once per spell, even if that spell targets the creature with the heroic ability multiple times.

Heroic abilities won't trigger when a copy of a spell is created on the stack or when a spell's targets are changed to include a creature with a heroic ability.

A cipher copy is not created on the stack, it is specifically cast. It does trigger heroic.


Cipher (Then you may exile this spell card encoded on a creature you control. Whenever that creature deals combat damage to a player, its controller may cast a copy of the encoded card without paying its mana cost.)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 09:18:48 PM
noncheat rufus!

ok, next rules question.

if I cast ordeal of thassa on something which has 3 counters already

does it a) wait until I attack, give me an extra counter, then sac itself?
or b) sac itself immediately?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 23, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
The next time you attack with it, it will add a counter then sac itself.


Re: gods and duress:

Quote from: Theros release notes
The type-changing ability that can make the God not be a creature functions only on the battlefield. It's always a creature card in other zones, regardless of your devotion to its color.

Use thoughtseize. It's why they reprinted it in Theros.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 23, 2013, 09:37:55 PM
i had 4 thoughtsiezes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 23, 2013, 10:53:03 PM
Heroic is only triggered when you cast a spell from your hand and choose the Heroic creature as the target of that spell.

Cipher triggers heroic. The copy is cast, and there is no requirement that it be from your hand.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/faq/ths

Heroic — Whenever you cast a spell that targets X, then Y


Quote
Heroic abilities will resolve before the spell that caused them to trigger.

Heroic abilities will trigger only once per spell, even if that spell targets the creature with the heroic ability multiple times.

Heroic abilities won't trigger when a copy of a spell is created on the stack or when a spell's targets are changed to include a creature with a heroic ability.

A cipher copy is not created on the stack, it is specifically cast. It does trigger heroic.


Cipher (Then you may exile this spell card encoded on a creature you control. Whenever that creature deals combat damage to a player, its controller may cast a copy of the encoded card without paying its mana cost.)

I stand corrected.  I'll admit that I've never bothered to learn how Cipher functions, because I've never played a Cipher card, nor had one played against me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 24, 2013, 12:10:44 AM
There is one cipher card that seems like it would be good enough tp use even in competetive. Tapping 2 creatures every time you do damage... Very nice!


Also, I am still happy with dimir. Had some good games with it against fin. Infact we had a decent amount of close games for just anything goes magic...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 24, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
i've got the programme at work now, so can play from 1-2 when I take lunch to work instead of have lunch at home.

like today! (have no decks on this username, which is finston)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 24, 2013, 01:30:46 PM
1 to 2... that's um, 8-9 for me I think...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 24, 2013, 01:32:39 PM
We managed to play one game at lunchtime. I didn't draw anything good.

New rufus rule: refuse to play vs extort unless using extort myself. It annoys me!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 24, 2013, 01:53:16 PM
I hope my black deck isn’t annoying, because I really like it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 24, 2013, 01:55:44 PM
I didn't get a chance to find out, because I hardly did anything!

I'll make an extort deck before I play it again though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 24, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
The basic idea is doomblading everything, and then heroicing my agents of fate so you never have crteatures out. which is probably pretty annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 24, 2013, 02:45:51 PM
Everything's annoying when your opponent's deck is working and yours isn't!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 24, 2013, 07:00:42 PM
The basic idea is doomblading everything, and then heroicing my agents of fate so you never have crteatures out. which is probably pretty annoying.

Out of curiousity, what are you hitting your Agents of Fate with to trigger his heroic?  I love the Agent, but black doesn't seem to have many good Heroic-triggering effects, as far as I've noticed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 24, 2013, 08:13:19 PM
I like the +3+1 enchantment meself.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 24, 2013, 09:05:01 PM
The basic idea is doomblading everything, and then heroicing my agents of fate so you never have crteatures out. which is probably pretty annoying.

Out of curiousity, what are you hitting your Agents of Fate with to trigger his heroic?  I love the Agent, but black doesn't seem to have many good Heroic-triggering effects, as far as I've noticed.

ordeal of erebos
nighthowler,
dying wish
dark favour
and cutthroat manuever.

In my fantasy world, I'd win a game by casting dying wish on an agent, and then hero's downfall, to kill 2 of the enemies creatures and take his last 3 life.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 24, 2013, 09:31:54 PM
Seems solid.  I love white's instants for Heroic, since they have the side effect of protecting the target, so you get double duty from them.  For example, when someone inevitably targets you Agent with removal, you respond with a Gods Willing; they now have to sac a creature, you keep your Agent, and you get to Scry 1 to boot.  The power/toughness pumps can save your guy too.  It really messes with your opponent, and I'm loving that aspect of my double strike deck. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 24, 2013, 09:43:53 PM
I hate doom blade so much.

Bad art
Stupid name
Dead card vs black
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 24, 2013, 09:51:30 PM
Seems solid.  I love white's instants for Heroic, since they have the side effect of protecting the target, so you get double duty from them.  For example, when someone inevitably targets you Agent with removal, you respond with a Gods Willing; they now have to sac a creature, you keep your Agent, and you get to Scry 1 to boot.  The power/toughness pumps can save your guy too.  It really messes with your opponent, and I'm loving that aspect of my double strike deck.
or splash blue for aqeuous form, and.... something else i forgot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 24, 2013, 10:03:14 PM
I'm deleting that orzhov deck right now.

Or maybe you just shouldn't play me! Childish sulking.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 24, 2013, 10:20:09 PM
there's only one thing worse than a bad loser.


a bad winner.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 24, 2013, 10:22:36 PM
Bad rufus is bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2013, 10:28:35 AM
No more 'prey upon' in standard! What's green supposed to use for creature removal?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2013, 10:35:19 AM
They have spells like prey upon in theros, don’t they?

Oh, no, they don’t. Can only target other green creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2013, 10:37:37 AM
Well, there is this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373633&type=card)

I don't like the extra 2 mana. 3 life doesn't make up for it.

And there's one that only works on other green creatures.


I made a mono-green deck anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2013, 10:46:53 AM
I guess it’s a conscious decision, like black not being able to deal with enchantments or artifacts. (in that article you linked, they specifically talked about black being the only colour unable to deal with 3 types of cards, which is why they made hero’s downfall for planeswalkers).

So I guess…. Don’t deal with creatures. Or splash black for

THE
BLADE
OF
DOOOOOM
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2013, 10:49:19 AM
No, doom blade sucks! If you were splashing black into green you'd use putrify.

Theros has terrible removal spells, mostly! Definitely intentional.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2013, 10:52:45 AM
I thought putrefy was really expensive, but it's gone down now! Wasn’t there another greenblack spell from RTR stuff which was expensive?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2013, 10:53:49 AM
Abrupt decay. Still expensive, because it's good in old cards formats too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2013, 12:19:05 PM
Well don't ask us, were from the internet.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2013, 01:38:40 PM
The ordeals of thassa and Nylea are surely good in a simic deck. More counters for your creatures.

The theros gods, on the other hand, don't seem that useful. I think their prices will drop rapidly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2013, 01:53:47 PM
Ninja mod edit!

Rufus, I think steam augury is quite good. It’s basically the same as fact or fiction, but you choose piles. One downside would be the red, but as you want it for a RU deck, that’s not a downside for you.
It also feeds spellheart Chimera., potentially .

Fact or Fiction is played, apparently, so I don’t see how this wouldn’t be in RU decks with the spellheart.



I love all the ordeals!


It does seem quite tricky to get devotion.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2013, 02:33:49 PM
I felt like I was being a dick, so deleted the post!

I used steam augury vs siby yesterday, and it worked well. I did have a spellheart chimera in play to be boosted by the discarded spells. Just not sure if I want 4 copies! Might be too many.


I haven't paid much attention to the ordeals so far, but they are actually good.

I have yet to turn a god into a creature!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 25, 2013, 09:00:16 PM
If I run gods they have been in mono decks with strong devotion creatures and you can get creature gods pretty fast.

I think I did one in a multicolour deck but it was a splash second colour so doesn't really count.

Steam augury was pretty decent in your deck yes. Be good in a deck where you could pull stuff back outta your graveyard too... I'm sure there are still some 'get an instant/sorcery back' cards about.

Ordeals are great especially with the heroic thing...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2013, 09:29:36 PM
I've made a mono-green deck, so maybe I will be able to get a god to activate!


Grey merchant = 16 point life swing in a sealed game! Thanks, merchant!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2013, 11:00:25 PM
I think you had won by then anyway, but it sped it up certainly!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2013, 11:10:17 PM
I had, but it was impressive! I hadn't looked at his ability properly until then.

The Finlay vs Bident of Thassa vendetta begins!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 26, 2013, 08:32:29 AM
Theros event deck (more expensive precon with better cards):

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1329

I like this one! Not out until the 18th though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 26, 2013, 11:01:54 PM
Sorry to run out Rufus, my wife started talking to me about health insurance and I decided I should probably concentrate on that!

I hate that deck though, I've seen it twice be on the ropes with 3 health left and then come back to win, once against Fin and once against me. Horrible!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 26, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
That's OK!

Are you saying you hate my horrible orzhov deck? Ha ha!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 27, 2013, 07:45:38 AM
Against fin you played nothing for about 10 turns in a row and still managed to reverse the result and win. That just shouldn't happen!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 27, 2013, 09:40:24 AM
Orzhov decks can rise from the dead!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 27, 2013, 04:09:33 PM
Have to get my dimir deck against it soon... it was the only thing I could rely on before to go head to head with your orzhov.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 27, 2013, 04:14:58 PM
No! Not allowed.

I went and bought a Theros intro deck today. But I forgot that I hate booster packs! They are so disappointing.

On the plus side, shiny kraken.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 27, 2013, 04:33:14 PM
Ah yes booster packs...I always used to get excited when I'd win them in drafts and I'd refuse to open them till I got home... but then they would usually not have anything decent. The post draft rare pick was much more reliable for getting a couple of really nice rares as you'd have a tonne to pick from and if you could come somewhere between 1st and 4th (which somehow I often did) you could get something really special and a couple of things you just wanted. Of course I used to get the stuff I liked rather than the high value ones... stupid person that I was...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 27, 2013, 09:33:41 PM
I still have no idea how drafting works.

You can do it on GCCG now, apparently!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 27, 2013, 10:20:01 PM
The booster packs in the intro decks are fine, because they are kinda free.

That's my justification anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 27, 2013, 10:28:03 PM
Ha ha, definitely!

Still don't want a polis crusher though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 27, 2013, 11:02:43 PM
That was some epic magicing this evening.

Especially the game with the very wet but unkillable beetle and the last one where I assaulted with a god and a world eater and snuck the win with my confused pig.

Although whether that is more epic than the game of 3 lands between us where you dinked me to death without me playing a single thing...

I really like Theros. The games do feel rather epic in general. Innistrad was very fun but it felt like fairytale skirmishes. This feels so much more huge!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 27, 2013, 11:18:22 PM
Those were some crazy games. I enjoyed them!

I need to watch out for sneaky pigs and wet beetles. More Niv-Mizzet!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 27, 2013, 11:26:47 PM
Yeh, Niv is not something you want to face with a burn deck. That was the problem you had with my beetles too I think. 5/5 are easy for doom blades and the like but not lightnings...

I think one of my favourite moments was double overloading electrickery to kill your guttersnipes. Infact I had a tonne of success with that spell...

I dunno if it was a bad match up for my golgari or that it's a bad deck, will have to play it more to find out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 27, 2013, 11:33:51 PM
Yes, I used three spells in an elaborate attempt to kill both beetles, and you went and waterfalled one of them to safety again! I preferred the game when I was on 2 life, then Niv-Mizzet arrived and saved me!

Double electrickery on my poor snipes was cruel!


Who did golgary play? Was it the ciphering heroes of blue/whiteness? That deck is pretty mean if it gets going with its heroic triggers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 27, 2013, 11:36:43 PM
Yeh that was a nightmare and seeing as it is not an enchantment or anything you can't make it go away!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 28, 2013, 08:09:05 AM
Except by killing the hero! But I had lots of that color protection spell in my hand.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 28, 2013, 10:43:32 AM
My Theros cards arrived from troll trader today!

I have boar tokens!

Buying individual cards is so much more satisfying than booster packs.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 28, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
My Theros cards arrived from troll trader today!

I have boar tokens!

Buying individual cards is so much more satisfying than booster packs.

I got my booster box yesterday and did pretty well.  No planeswalkers, but I got one of every god except the black one (racist box, evidently).  Ironically, I my standard deck isn't finished yet, because I have to wait for the cards I pre ordered to arrive through the mail, since I ebayed them.

I'm playing with two stardard deck ideas: the Boros heroic/double strike thing I already mentioned, and Boros control built around Anger of the Gods...it's soooo good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 28, 2013, 08:05:17 PM
Anyone coming in to gccg today?

If not, I guess it's time to make more silly decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 28, 2013, 08:28:26 PM
Anyone coming in to gccg today?

I'm on now. Haven't made any new decks though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 28, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
I'm playing with two stardard deck ideas: the Boros heroic/double strike thing I already mentioned, and Boros control built around Anger of the Gods...it's soooo good.

Hmmm, what's in the control deck? Chained to rocks... ?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 28, 2013, 10:14:38 PM
I'm playing with two stardard deck ideas: the Boros heroic/double strike thing I already mentioned, and Boros control built around Anger of the Gods...it's soooo good.

Hmmm, what's in the control deck? Chained to rocks... ?

Haven't finalized the list, but something like:
4 Chained to the Rocks
4 Lightning Strike
4 Anger of the Gods
3 Warleader's Helix

4 Frostburn Weird
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Boros Reckoner

4 Wild Guess
3 Chandra, Pyromancer
2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion (if I can bring myself to buy them)

Plan is to kill all their guys and then win with my defensive creatures and/or a Chandra ultimate.  Anger of the Gods just singlehandedly blows out a lot of decks right now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 28, 2013, 10:19:42 PM
Exxxxxpensive!

I'd try that out on GCCG but we don't use planeswalkers.

No main-deck enchantment destruction?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on September 28, 2013, 10:39:48 PM
Exxxxxpensive!

I'd try that out on GCCG but we don't use planeswalkers.

No main-deck enchantment destruction?

Not right now, although that may change depending on the metagame.  Wear/Tear will definitely be in my sideboard, and may move maindeck if I see a lot of enchantments.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 28, 2013, 10:48:51 PM
I'm back on for now if you guys are around... which I guess you might not be...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 30, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
I was gonna jump on but my internet is having a tizzy again. Will keep trying though...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 30, 2013, 08:48:28 PM
I'm doing a job application (and procrastinating on WE occasionally...) so probably not on today
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 30, 2013, 09:07:45 PM
Bummer cos I made it on :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 01, 2013, 08:45:53 AM
That 'reconstructed' column on the wizards site should be subtitled "your deck needs at least six more mythic rare planeswalkers."

I know that's how they make their money, but still! Lay off on the planeswalkers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 01, 2013, 02:34:59 PM
Every now and again I think to myself planeswalkers can't be that bad. Then I play a random game against one of the other gccg people and they get 3 of them out against me and I want to kill myself.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 01, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
I'm tempted to use them against you next time we play!

Except not really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 01, 2013, 05:17:42 PM
That would hurt you more than it would hurt me!

Just been making/updating a few decks on my main pc so that I have more than just 2 decks, both of which are azorius!

The handy thing is that ravnica could be so self contained that to update my old decks all I often need to do is lose the old dual lands and I am pretty much there!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 01, 2013, 05:49:42 PM
I got an Elspeth in sealed, and put her in deck!
But didn't get her
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 01, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
Grrrr, people watching games and giving advice!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 01, 2013, 11:42:08 PM
Elspeth is bananas.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 01, 2013, 11:44:08 PM
I don't even know what she does! I don't read the planeswalker cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 01, 2013, 11:50:10 PM
She takes your average soldier deck and makes it just silly. Like they aren't already good enough!

Was that the same random guy who said electrickery sucked because if so I have no respect for his opinion!
 :-P

Life decks... Never dead till they are dead. More annoying than control decks? Tough one...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 01, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
I'm so glad we never use them! I don't want to play that sort of magic.


Was that the same random guy who said electrickery sucked because if so I have no respect for his opinion!

I think it was! It's rude to go into someone else's game and start telling them their cards are rubbish.


Life gain decks are annoying with that angel of ridiculousness.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 01, 2013, 11:55:38 PM
Its just stupid to insult our cards, as we are all purposefully not mskingbthe most powerful decks possible.

Totally misses the point of our games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 02, 2013, 12:33:25 AM
Even if the guy was a hardcore tournament player, he's being dumb.  I sideboarded Electrickery for most of the pre-rotation standard; it was nuts against Lingering Souls decks, Young Pyromancer decks, and decks running a lot of little creatures.  It's still might make my sideboard post-rotation, what with the proliferation of 2/1 creatures for CMC 1.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 02, 2013, 07:46:23 AM
2 mana to clear a whole heap of tokens is certainly quite a bargain.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2013, 09:28:29 AM
2 mana to clear a whole heap of tokens is certainly quite a bargain.
well, this is better at killing tokens as it kills them all, not just X/1 ones,
but not instant speed.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370623&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2013, 09:40:51 AM
I haven't seen that one!

Maybe I should look at base set cards sometimes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
good card! Shame lingering souls is gone to bomb.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2013, 10:04:03 AM
I really, really, really miss lingering souls. They didn't linger long enough.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 02, 2013, 10:16:42 AM
Ratchet bomb is nice in theory but as well as having to charge it up it does have the slight drawback of killing all your stuff too...

When it comes to cards I miss, I just have to remind myself of all the cards that also left that I hated (lingering souls for example!)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2013, 10:21:13 AM
Ratchet bomb is nice in theory but as well as having to charge it up it does have the slight drawback of killing all your stuff too...

When it comes to cards I miss, I just have to remind myself of all the cards that also left that I hated (lingering souls for example!)
You don’t have to charge it to kill tokens. Put it down, tap, boom, all enemy tokens gone. You can easily have a deck without any 0 mana stuff!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2013, 10:23:24 AM
Ratchet bomb + curse of the swine = bacon for everyone.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2013, 10:32:00 AM
I guess ratchet bomb is sideboard stuff for "competetive" players.


Did you buy the roman boar tokens rufus?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2013, 10:33:24 AM
Quote
Did you buy the roman boar tokens rufus?

Yes! I have 4! And three copies of swine curse.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2013, 11:21:55 AM
nooooooooooooooooooo

increasing savagery is non standard

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
It's from the same set as lingering souls!

I'm not expecting your real decks to be standard legal, so it doesn't matter!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 02, 2013, 01:53:11 PM
Sorry fin you're right! Of course I always find whatever I take is wrong for what I end up facing!

I have a deck with a black kill spell that targets power. Pretty handy for clearing low power creatures with annoying ability but terrible against stuff that can get pumped up or whatnot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2013, 01:57:21 PM
I have a deck with a black kill spell that targets power. Pretty handy for clearing low power creatures with annoying ability but terrible against stuff that can get pumped up or whatnot.

It surprised me every time! I forget it exists because I've never used it outside sealed.

I'd put it so low down the list of black removal spells that I can't imagine wanting to use it! But it does work... a bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 02, 2013, 04:41:50 PM
Hmm, maybe I should look into them more. I couldn't think of anything outside of doom blade... murder is gone now right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2013, 04:43:53 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373575&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2013, 04:44:18 PM
I made my Simic-ordeal deck.

only 20 land! dodgy.
cant see what else to cut down.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 02, 2013, 04:53:03 PM
Nice fin, think I'll replace them with that for safety! I knew there must be something... that will be especially fun to use against fabled hero and the like  :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2013, 07:06:24 PM
think i might be about ready for "real" now...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2013, 09:15:38 PM
I want to make some sort of young pyromancer/master of the waves/purphoros/hidden strings deck, but can't be bothered to work out what else to put in it.


I made my Simic-ordeal deck.

only 20 land! dodgy.
cant see what else to cut down.

Need more land! Almost certainly.


Anybody on GCCG right now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2013, 10:51:48 PM
Finlay couldn't win a game until he got his whip of erebos out!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on October 03, 2013, 02:51:35 PM
Day[9] vs. Bobak Ferdowsi in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers

http://youtu.be/U-rOGGiJTQY

Red Black vs Green White in M14
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2013, 05:08:01 PM
Whip of erebos doesn't seem that good to me... am I missing something?

Just been finishing off a new deck that totally won't work. Might be possible to hone it into some kind of shape but it may be a throw away one.

My golgari deck seems to be pretty handy against aggro decks and totally rubbish against counter/removal decks... I guess I might just have to live with that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 03, 2013, 07:40:07 PM
Rufus had spear of Helios out, killing anyt creatures.

So shipping them back in for damage was great.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2013, 08:32:28 PM
Ah, yeh the spear and the bow enchantments are really rather nifty!

I guess the whip kinda has an 'unearth' like ability.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2013, 08:38:48 PM
I'm not sure I like the bow. I had it in a game last night and didn't feel like I needed to cast it.

The whip and spear are better.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2013, 08:40:43 PM
The bow has so many uses! But maybe it depends what kinda deck you have it in... the +1 from the spear is kinda worth it alone so that's good in almost any game, having removal too just makes it really really good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2013, 08:44:03 PM
I thought the bow was great at first... the trouble is, all its abilities are fairly minor. I felt like I was better off just casting the creatures I had.

It's good in a stalled game... so, in sealed mainly.


I haven't used the hammer yet. It looks like the worst one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 03, 2013, 08:52:37 PM
Bident is worst  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2013, 09:05:45 PM
True, bident isn't that good either!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2013, 09:11:09 PM
The primary rules for bident and hammer are quite nice but the tappy rules are pretty eh.

You guys not showing up today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 03, 2013, 09:16:17 PM
karl, really enjoyed that video!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2013, 10:10:51 PM
Siby is relentlessly beating me up at magic.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
Annoying deck for the win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 03, 2013, 10:29:35 PM
what deck was he using?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2013, 10:36:10 PM
Green white, but made entirely of removal spells and hexproof creatures!

So monumentally annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2013, 10:37:28 PM
It was an idea that I had that went really really well... I wonder what it will suck against, everything sucks against something...

I even have rubbleback rhinos in that deck... which are supposubly useless... but they are hexproof!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 03, 2013, 10:40:07 PM
I was actually thinking about hexproof creatures, after i got burned to death yesterday!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2013, 11:05:07 PM
You guys are ruining the social aspect of the game. Please consider the social aspect.

 :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 03, 2013, 11:11:53 PM
lend me your foil Dark Confidant rufus, I promise I'll wipe my hands clean from the cheato dust.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2013, 11:15:06 PM
Anything to help a fellow player. I wouldn't want the cost of booster packs to put you off this reasonably priced, social hobby.

Though actually, a magic booster costs less than a plastic witch elf. Quite a bit less.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 03, 2013, 11:19:01 PM
You lent me a model once, and I broke it!



I'M LITTLE TIMMY
 ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2013, 11:20:27 PM
That's true and you are!

I think you deliberately crashed the magic game too, because you knew you were going to lose!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2013, 11:43:55 PM
I'll give up removal when you give up orzhov!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2013, 08:49:49 AM
Never!

I'll just have to make an even more annoying deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 04, 2013, 09:22:13 AM
Going through my cards, I've got loads of boars! Awesome
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2013, 09:31:20 AM
Flinthoof boar!

Hmmm, I could turn your boars into boars, with swine curse.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 04, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Flintoof, festerhide and zhuurta! 12 boars!


Don't boar my boars, bro.

What's ooze flux for, or does it just suck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2013, 10:09:37 AM
Boar theme deck!


What's ooze flux for, or does it just suck?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366375&type=card)

Hmmm... remove counters from your evolve creatures, and make them into a new creature that triggers them all to evolve again. So you get the counters back, plus a new creature.

Could work! I think I meant to try it but forgot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 04, 2013, 10:39:59 AM
I've only got two cloudfin raptors, 0 experiment one.

Slow simic deck!

I'm sad that I'm too stupid to figure out what ooze flux was meant to do.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 04, 2013, 10:53:03 AM
I think I only use 2 each of the one-drops in my simic deck, so it's not so fast either.


Quote
I'm sad that I'm too stupid to figure out what ooze flux was meant to do.

It's just because you're feeling unwell!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 04, 2013, 01:49:45 PM
I'm working on something that will make you beg me to play my white green deck again....

Ps, it's walls again!!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 05, 2013, 06:54:37 PM
Whip of erebos doesn't seem that good to me... am I missing something?

It's great late-game, because you can re-use all the creatures that have previously died, netting you big card advantage.  It's also broken as hell with Obzedat, because you can bring Obzedat back, then exile it at end of turn with Obzedat's own exile ability; it will still come back next turn, because the ability doesn't care how it was exiled.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 07, 2013, 05:54:20 PM
This made me think... I guess you could potentially bring stuff back from the grave and then use an unsummon-like card to put it back in your hand before it re-dies right? That could be quite nifty on some of your killer creatures...

Talking of which, what happens when you use one of those red 'traitor' spells to borrow one of their creatures till end of turn and then unsummon it? I'm guessing it still goes back to their hand rather than yours? But you can traitor a creature and then sacrifice it right? Which I would assume kills it back into the original owner's graveyard...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 07, 2013, 06:28:11 PM
highlight of playing vs rufus' orzhov deck in real life....


using a gruul charm to kill 4 lingering soul tokens, so I get blood artist'd and the game ends quicker.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 07, 2013, 06:30:09 PM
Yes it's that bad!

I love white black as a combination... but I think I will mostly be avoiding it until Ravnica dies and it gets a bit more generic  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 07, 2013, 07:01:05 PM
it's just too good vs any of my decks, as I don't/won't spend much on them.

I couldnt find my increasing savagery cards, which made my Simic deck totally toothless, vs anything not just the orzhov.

Gruul and Boros put up more of a fight, but obzedat and teysa, if they come out, are auto-wins (although he only has one each) and lingering souls and blood artists are very hard to deal with, the way my decks are built.

Need to add 4 ratchet bombs!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 07, 2013, 07:08:08 PM
This made me think... I guess you could potentially bring stuff back from the grave and then use an unsummon-like card to put it back in your hand before it re-dies right? That could be quite nifty on some of your killer creatures...

Correct.

Talking of which, what happens when you use one of those red 'traitor' spells to borrow one of their creatures till end of turn and then unsummon it? I'm guessing it still goes back to their hand rather than yours? But you can traitor a creature and then sacrifice it right? Which I would assume kills it back into the original owner's graveyard...

Correct on both counts.  An "unsummoned" creature returns to its owner's hand, not it's controller's.  Same with the graveyard.  But yes, stealing a guy with Act of Treason, hitting its controller in the face with it, and then sacrificing it is a pretty good trick.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 07, 2013, 07:54:57 PM
Gruul and Boros put up more of a fight, but obzedat and teysa, if they come out, are auto-wins (although he only has one each) and lingering souls and blood artists are very hard to deal with, the way my decks are built.

Need to add 4 ratchet bombs!

Is lingering souls still legal? If not, call shenannigans and claim the win!  :-P

I may have to make a treason sac deck... it will probably never come together how I want it to but it's a glorious theory...!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 07, 2013, 09:19:07 PM
I may have to make a treason sac deck... it will probably never come together how I want it to but it's a glorious theory...!

I have an EDH deck that uses that as one of its tricks.  The key, IMO, is to have plenty of sacrifice outlets that are good on their own, so that you usually have one laying around for when you Treason a guy. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 07, 2013, 09:22:04 PM
I haven't seen many in standard right now, but I will keep an eye out. Most of the sacs seem too much sac for not enough gain.

Except this one, this one is totally amazing in that deck!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=239983&type=card)

One black mana to kill 2 of their creatures after you just bonked them with one of them is just meanness!  :evil:


EDIT - wait, that's not standard now! Doh!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 07, 2013, 11:36:59 PM
I haven't seen many in standard right now, but I will keep an eye out. Most of the sacs seem too much sac for not enough gain.

I did a quick Gatherer search.  Alter’s Reap, Blood Bairn, Bubbling Cauldron, Cartel Aristocrat, Devour Flesh, Gnawing Zombie, Rescue from the Underworld, Trading Post, Tymaret, Undercity Informer all seem playable.  I particularly like Devour Flesh, since it's a good removal card anyways, but you can also use it to off the stolen creature and gain some life; does cost you a card, though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 01:12:48 AM
Thanks towie, I will check those out and build me a deck. Will report back when I have done it.

If it works, Rufus is gonna hate me...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 08:16:42 AM
I'll make a hexproof deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 08:48:38 AM
One of the new commanders for commander is a bird wizard:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/cmd13/rDas0lTAPg_EN.jpg)

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1337


Commander bird deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 09:31:09 AM
I made a commander bird deck! Works out pretty nicely.
Rufus, I think my boros might compete with orzhov if I’d added some pure burn instead of crappy removal. Or just 4 o-rings. At least have a chance to Zap the blood artists early!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 10:43:07 AM
Mr bird wizard is nice though, since you can always recast him for 4 if he dies. But green doesn't add much to the deck, bird-wise. Unless you want a plainswalking chicken.

Yes, your Boris needs some good burn spells. Depends if you want to go standard or not though! No o-ring in standard anymore.

Blood artist and lingering souls are out of standard, so my orzhov deck would be radically changed if I standardised it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 10:55:25 AM
I feel like going non standard is valid vs blood artist and lingering souls! (did you only have 2 BAs?)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 10:58:52 AM
oh, last night, Siby wanted to block me with the sylvan caratid, and then tap it for mana. Is that allowed? Neither of us knew the answer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 11:26:12 AM
I have 4 blood artists! I'll probably standardise my Orzhovs though, so they will be gone.


Siby wanted to block me with the sylvan caratid, and then tap it for mana. Is that allowed? Neither of us knew the answer.

Yes, that's fine. Need to spend the mana in the 'fast effects after assign blockers' step though, or it's wasted.

Tapped blockers still deal damage too, though I think that one might be a 0/3.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 11:39:44 AM
he didn't do it as we werent sure.

but think he won anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 11:58:09 AM
What did he want to cast with the mana?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 12:12:10 PM
you'd have to ask him!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 12:21:09 PM
OK.

Siby, what did you want to cast!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 12:32:13 PM
It was an evil plan. I wanted to block so he was blocked and then tap for smite to kill him  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 12:36:13 PM
Aha!

That works!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 12:52:18 PM
Nice,  I will remember that for next time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 01:14:35 PM
good, because I'm looking up removal which still kills hexproof  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 01:25:33 PM
Glaring spotlight turns hexproof off.

Any sacrifice effect.

Mass removal like supreme verdict, anger of the gods, mizzium mortars (overloaded) or mutilate.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 01:45:22 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Celestial%20Flare&options=)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 01:51:33 PM
I don't like double-color costs on a two-mana card (because of mana issues), but that's really nice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 02:27:21 PM
Yeh I had 2 of those in hand against you fin but only 1 white mana! Was ready to use it on your lion asap though...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 02:28:26 PM
Is Finlay using wig lions!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 02:38:47 PM
Have you not played siby’s hexproof? He has wig lions in there too.

(and yes, I tried to make an actual good deck! It didn’t really work)

Rufus, the last 2 reconstructeds have been about control decks. Problem is they use planeswalkers to finish. Don’t fancy trying to make them?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 02:41:35 PM
Rufus played my deck and wanted to kill me I think. Or himself.

Except it was even worse for him cos he was using either blue or black which pumped my boarwolves.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 02:44:09 PM
I think I ragequit twice before the wiglions showed up.

The second time I actually ragequit, then realised I didn't need to because I had a simic charm in hand. But Siby had already accepted and the game ended! Serves me right for being hasty.


Rufus, the last 2 reconstructeds have been about control decks. Problem is they use planeswalkers to finish. Don’t fancy trying to make them?

I'm not playing with or against planeswalkers!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 02:55:07 PM
There must be non planeswalkers finishers?

Just wont be as “good”, but then our decks aren’t ultra competitive. Mine aren’t even when I try to make them so!

aetherling?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 02:58:17 PM
Are you talking simic finishers?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 03:02:40 PM
No.

“reconstructed” had a red blue white control deck, and a red white control deck.
Decidedly unsimic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 03:06:42 PM
Simic just isn't very competitive. Ever!


aetherling?

Yes, that's a good choice.

OK, control deck with aetherlings it is then!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 03:07:06 PM
Hmm... Dragons?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
That pro-white red dragon from Theros is quite powergamey. Probably more aggro though.


Oh, and of course the ghost council are a good control finisher!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 03:10:08 PM
I'm not sure why I suggested it really, as I hate facing control decks! ha ha.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 03:11:47 PM
I thought because you wanted to use one yourself!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 03:19:01 PM
I wouldn’t be able to make one, unless I just copied the “reconstructed” (minus planeswalkers) and that’s pretty lame.

The reason I thought of it was a lot of “competitive” decks don’t use many creatures, where as I do. Always. And a bit of variety is nice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 03:24:36 PM
I think it's OK to use one of the decklists from reconstructed if you want to try out a control deck.

If there aren't any planeswalkers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 03:26:25 PM
“a white deck? ADD FOUARRR ELSPETHHHSSSZZZZ”
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 04:18:34 PM
Yeh the random guy I played the other day had no creatures, just Elspeth and board sweeping removal...

I think the thing with control is everyone hates it when it is going against them but when you are the one controlling... very satisfying. And you can't really kill it all together from the game because it's heavily in red, blue, white and black! You'd have to stop using half the cards...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
Yeh the random guy I played the other day had no creatures, just Elspeth and board sweeping removal...

wonder if it was copied from reconstructed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 04:57:41 PM
Probably was!

Control can be really frustrating and non-interactive (basically just the control player jerking off over his removal spells!). Like my orzhov deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2013, 05:29:44 PM
Like warhammer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 06:11:21 PM
Definitely!

At least a magic turn doesn't take 30min!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 08, 2013, 08:39:25 PM
I played back when control was actually good, it sucked.  Say, Invasion block, when the dominant control decks looked like:

4 Counterspell
4 Absorb
4 Fact of Fiction
4 Opt
4 Wrath of God
2 Rout

The rest of the deck and how they actually killed you is irrelevant, that list would beat just about anything, with all the awesome hard counterspells and instant-speed card draw.  The control decks these days lack good mass removal (Supreme Verdict dictates your color choices and Anger of the Gods doesn't get big stuff).  Planeswalkers are powerful, but can often be killed after a single activation.  A deck planning to win with only Elspeths may find it hard to win games.  Plus, fast red decks often just steamroll you before you can cast your mass removal, anyhow.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 08:41:35 PM
Well I just jumped on gccg. I'll probably see if I can finish off that wall deck if no one shows...

Towi, I think fast red decks are good to have about as an equaliser too. I have one and it sidesteps half the cards people often have in their deck so to keep people honest, it is pretty handy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
I need a new deck idea for GCCG. That mono red one was the most boring thing ever.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2013, 10:31:06 PM
I think when ravnica eventually cycles out I will be more than ready. I've enjoyed it a lot for sure but it really does kinda direct you very heavily into certain paths (the guilds).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 09, 2013, 11:44:47 AM
I need a new deck idea for GCCG. That mono red one was the most boring thing ever.
I don't get why you hated it, it was just a control deck but instead of counterspelling, burning?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 09, 2013, 01:30:59 PM
Probably just in a bad mood last night!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 09, 2013, 04:45:28 PM
Probably not helped by the debut of my new wall deck. Walls are not quite as burnable as most other stuff...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 09, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
Wall deck was fine. I was annoyed with my own deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 09, 2013, 05:34:03 PM
Ok good. It'd be nice to finally have a deck to use sometimes that you don't hate so much.  :-P


The walls will no doubt work really nicely sometimes and other times be totally useless...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 09, 2013, 11:07:56 PM
I don't hate your decks! Except when I'm in a bad mood... which is often.

Dimir vs Boris was fun though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 09, 2013, 11:12:10 PM
I played back when control was actually good, it sucked.  Say, Invasion block, when the dominant control decks looked like:

Terminus was good though.

I think the reduction in good counter spells and the severe limitation of consistent card draw for advantage (there is plenty of card draw, but not a lot of card advantage) is what pushed hard control off the table.  Honestly, I think that is for the best.  Hard Control is fun to play, but hard to really enjoy.

I'll say though, I played a Sire of Insanity deck and it was pretty rough.  Based around flashback, removal, and then getting the Sire out and protected.  There are control elements, but not the kind of control seen in the past.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 09, 2013, 11:35:14 PM
I played back when control was actually good, it sucked.  Say, Invasion block, when the dominant control decks looked like:

Terminus was good though.

I think the reduction in good counter spells and the severe limitation of consistent card draw for advantage (there is plenty of card draw, but not a lot of card advantage) is what pushed hard control off the table.  Honestly, I think that is for the best.  Hard Control is fun to play, but hard to really enjoy.

I'll say though, I played a Sire of Insanity deck and it was pretty rough.  Based around flashback, removal, and then getting the Sire out and protected.  There are control elements, but not the kind of control seen in the past.

Terminal was silly.  I hated Miracle, too luck-dependent. 

I agree with you about control.  Playing against hard control decks was miserable; you could effectively lose by turn 4-5, but they wouldn't get around to killing you til turn 15.  I'm so glad that they've stomped out hard control and quick combo decks.  Magic is the best-run game in existance, and probably the best game ever invented, IMO; chess is the only one I might consider better, but Magic constantly evolves, which most other games can't say.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 09, 2013, 11:39:21 PM
They have the most responsive and intelligent developers in the gaming world.  They KNOW their game.  My issue with GW is that they have only recently produced books that feel like they are truly thought out.  Prior to this, they would make books that could be SUPER exploited.  It was like they just couldn't imagine anyone doing it.

Case in point, the reason they didn't bring back lightening helix was because of the snapcaster.  They came right out and said that the card was too good and they needed to much around and be extra careful despite REALLY wanting to bring that card back.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 10, 2013, 12:18:14 AM
I don't hate your decks! Except when I'm in a bad mood... which is often.

Dimir vs Boris was fun though!

It was fun. Surprisingly. It really felt like a proper battle of who could pull out the needed tool to make the breakthrough
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 10, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
They have the most responsive and intelligent developers in the gaming world.  They KNOW their game.  My issue with GW is that they have only recently produced books that feel like they are truly thought out.  Prior to this, they would make books that could be SUPER exploited.  It was like they just couldn't imagine anyone doing it.

Case in point, the reason they didn't bring back lightening helix was because of the snapcaster.  They came right out and said that the card was too good and they needed to much around and be extra careful despite REALLY wanting to bring that card back.

Yep.  I love reading Rosewater's columns, because he knows so much about the game that he often knows more about what we want from the game than we do, ourselves.  To build on your Lightning Helix example, I was among those super-bummed that it wasn't reprinted, and I considered Warleader's Helix a slap in the face, since it was such a crappy replacement.  Fast forward a year, and I'm now running 3x Warleader's Helix in my "Big Boros" control deck and I love it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 10, 2013, 12:42:34 AM
Warleaders helix is pretty good, not compared to lightening helix, but it is good.

I heard they regretted letting snapcaster out of the box.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 10, 2013, 01:40:50 AM
Warleaders helix is pretty good, not compared to lightening helix, but it is good.

I heard they regretted letting snapcaster out of the box.

The beauty of the thing is, Warleader's Helix is weaker than Lightning Helix on its face, but standard needs Warleader's Helix.  I have Lightning Strike and Anger of the Gods for everything 3-butt or less, but I need Warleader's Helix's 4 damage for Loxodon Smiters and that one Hydra that doubles every time it attacks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 10, 2013, 06:48:28 AM
My issue with GW is that they have only recently produced books that feel like they are truly thought out.

Lol!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2013, 08:30:13 AM
Yes, which books are we talking about!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 10, 2013, 10:27:21 AM
Pretty much all of the 6th edition.  The only glaring mistake has been the hell drakes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2013, 10:34:20 AM
Oh, you just meant 40K!

I thought you meant warhammer too, which would be a different matter.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 10, 2013, 11:15:32 AM
MTG is way better than warhamster.

Imagine if the broken books cycled out after a year! Amazing. Fuck off skaven slaves.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2013, 11:44:42 AM
I definitely enjoy magic more than warhammer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on October 10, 2013, 11:51:23 AM
Is anybody here on MTGSalvation?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2013, 11:55:32 AM
I don't think so!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 10, 2013, 12:03:50 PM
That's the site I use for spoilers, what else is on it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2013, 12:06:07 PM
I just looked, and there is a gigantic forum!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 10, 2013, 12:08:08 PM
Oh, you just meant 40K!

I thought you meant warhammer too, which would be a different matter.

I am completely disconnected to the Warhammer scene.  I love 40k, much more than Magic, but Magic is great too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 10, 2013, 01:41:58 PM
Please lets not let the book hate leak into this thread too. I already had to quit out of the dark elf thread where I would have liked to have had an enjoyable chat about the new book but instead got bombarded by how they are so broken and how terrible they are. Very depressing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
OK.... I hate your dimir deck, because some of them might be dark elves!  ::heretic::

Better?  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 10, 2013, 01:51:14 PM
As long as Warhammer and Dark Elf are not in the same post, no problem!

I kinda wish they would do some blue black elves, that'd be cool. They only ever want to seem to do green black zombie ones which I'm not nearly as interested in...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
Blue/black elves would make a lot of sense. I'm surprised there aren't any really.

Still, those are the colours of fairies... which are the same thing as elves, right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 07:47:43 AM
There's a 'super budget' set of articles on MTG salvation, with decks for 100 dollars.


Maybe we should write a super duper extreme budget article!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 08:07:32 AM
100 dollars is enough for loads of decks!


Wow, the prices for dragon's maze cards are really low! Only two of them have a significant cost.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 09:24:56 AM
which two?

voice of resurgence is like Ģ25!


All my decks combined are under $100! Admittedly one is almost unplayably bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 09:29:40 AM
Yes, voice is the really expensive one. Then the Izzet planeswalker is about 7 quid. Nothing else is worth much!

Your simic deck would be ok if you had those increasing savageries!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 09:30:56 AM
I hated dragons maze, so not surprised really.
Boris reckoner has gone down quite a bit I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 09:34:56 AM
He's about half his peak value, but still expensive.

Theros-wise, the top card is... Elspeth. Lame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 09:39:54 AM
I think literally every competitive white deck has 4 elspeth. Reconstructed “add 4 elspeths”

Is Theros price stabilised yet? Do we want to do some “real” or are we all happy normal still? I don’t think I am on tonight or tomorrow night though.
Really want to make more decks too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 09:43:59 AM
I think we're OK with normal (but no lamewalkers) at the moment. It's not like the Theros gods are causing a commotion!

I want to make more decks. My mind goes blank whenever I'm about to do it though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 10:01:29 AM
the top "Pro tour" magic player last month has a mullet!

mullet-tastic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 10:12:25 AM
Scary!

At least no one claims magic is a sport. Or even a 'digital sport!'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 10:14:10 AM
I bet people do.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 11, 2013, 10:23:38 AM
100 dollars is enough for loads of decks!


Wow, the prices for dragon's maze cards are really low! Only two of them have a significant cost.

I think super budget implies competitive decks versus higher dollar decks, not just thrown together commons and uncommons.

I came around on Dragonmaze.  The Blood Baron is awesome.
I just traded my play set for a hive guard, venomthrope, and new tyrant kit...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 10:47:04 AM
Blood baron has a stupid name and bad art. I hate him. He's the doom blade of creatures.

But he is still expensive. The site I was looking at didn't have any in stock so I missed him.


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I bet people do.

I hope they don't! It would be ridiculous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 11, 2013, 10:50:41 AM
Blood Baron is a god in this setting though.  There are really only like two things that can directly remove him, and he generally demands two cards.

I traded them at $20 value.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 11, 2013, 10:51:40 AM
I'm still fine with unreal. Doesn't feel like anyone has made an unbeatable deck yet...

Maybe simic needs a slight adjustment in style. It does seem a tad lacking when pure. The only ones that seem to work really well going totally pure are boris, orzhov and izzet. And that's probably debatable. I know with my dimir and golgari I have plundered from the other guilds to strengthen them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 10:52:56 AM
Gruul can do it as well, imo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 11, 2013, 10:56:21 AM
I only run two colors and it is pretty strongly rooted in Ohrzov. 

Of course, with the ripping of the blood barons from the deck, it is dead.  I will be trading off a bunch more of the deck for STERNGUARD kits.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 11:00:19 AM
Maybe simic needs a slight adjustment in style. It does seem a tad lacking when pure. The only ones that seem to work really well going totally pure are boris, orzhov and izzet. And that's probably debatable. I know with my dimir and golgari I have plundered from the other guilds to strengthen them.

I think my simic works fairly well! But I don't care anyway, because fish crabs are awesome.


I don't like orzhov without lingering souls! Where are my ghosts!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 11:02:41 AM
I’ve made a (surprise surprise) Red weenie aggro deck. Gonna try a young pyrmoancer + master of waves, but I think will be hard to get devotion for MoW with red, and using instants and sorcery for YP.
Gonna try a green white aggro which is better than the one I did
A green-based mid range
And a control type one. Might try tri-colour!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 11:06:21 AM
I'm doing green/white too. I don't like it, but it has all the bent stuff!


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Gonna try a young pyrmoancer + master of waves, but I think will be hard to get devotion for MoW with red, and using instants and sorcery for YP.

Right, I don't know what to put in that deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
I'm doing green/white too. I don't like it, but it has all the bent stuff!

#standardrufus
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 12:10:16 PM
True.

Made my deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 12:10:33 PM
if I Epic Experimented a counterspell, would it generate an elemental with YP? or do counterspells need targets to activate YP?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 12:15:15 PM
You can't cast a spell without a valid target. So no casting a counterspell without a spell to counter.

You can possibly counter one of your own spells cast through the experiment though! Depending on the timing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 12:18:10 PM
You can't cast a spell without a valid target. So no casting a counterspell without a spell to counter.

You can possibly counter one of your own spells cast through the experiment though! Depending on the timing.
I'm not sure I want EE in thsi deck, but it seems izzet-tastic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 12:26:25 PM
I love epic experiment, but it's almost never useful!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 12:27:54 PM
Can you get on programme now?
Think I have 30 minutes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 12:31:01 PM
I am on now. One game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 12:52:59 PM
young pyro and master of waves got stomped!

think thats one for "real"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 01:32:02 PM
It might have just been a bad showing for the deck! Give it another try.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 01:44:37 PM
It’s not condemned yet! It seemed to work ok, you just got that centaur out of easy burn range. Lighting or mizzium mortared it early, and a different game.
Can you “overload” with EE, if X is big enough?

I’m thinking we should use sideboards as well.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 01:55:45 PM
No, you can't use alternate casting costs with epic experiment. So no overload.

My deck actually got off to a slow start, and I didn't get my best cards!


We can try sideboards, I guess. Bit of a hassle though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 11, 2013, 01:57:51 PM
Rufus I hope you don't just make my green white deck.   :-P

I still think sideboards are a great idea. It's hard to make a deck ready for anything without crippling it's killing power and that often leads to feeling like you could keep playing against certain decks and never win because they just totally avoid any of your win conditions. One of the strengths of my hexproof control deck. Anything that relies on burning to kill can't really deal with it.

But it does rely on us all doing it or it's crazy unfair. It would mean stuff like mono green decks would be slightly more viable. If you consider that they could sideboard a load of fly kill spells that usually you leave out cos it's so situational, very handy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 02:00:28 PM
Or sideboards full of enchant removal, if you come up vs an enchant heavy deck. I think it might make it a bit less “rock, paper scissor”y
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 02:03:16 PM
Rufus I hope you don't just make my green white deck.   :-P

Of course not: mine is better!  :icon_lol:


OK, lets do sideboards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 11, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
 :-P

It better not be full of hexproof, that's all I'm saying.   :wink:

Ok, I will start adding sideboards next time before we play.

I think it will mean game 1 might wash out like normal but game 2 and 3 should be a lot better...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 02:08:34 PM
The “problem” (although it’s not really a problem) is you need quite specific removal to deal with some things. Those exile burns to kill those gayralf messengers, about 2 spells in the entire game for obzedat, stuff like that.
but in “competitive standard” you quite often will see the same sort of cards, so people generally have the specific answers built in. For example that good haste dragon. It can be hard to get rid of, but there are specific cards to do it, which will be mainboarded or sideboarded. That's also the reason you can sometimes get weird decks doing really well in competetive tourneys, as people don't have the right answers!


So for us, when rufus resolves it [the good dragon], that’s game over for me, as we will have taken more general removal, or “better” removal (ie, I think the burn exile ones did less damage than a plain burn one)

Of course, the reason this isn’t a huge problem is we get more diverse games in general, and not just snapcaster mages, thragtusks and angels times infinity.

I think it will mean game 1 might wash out like normal but game 2 and 3 should be a lot better...
hopefully!

how do sideboards work on that thing?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 11, 2013, 02:14:57 PM
You can right click on the cards as you edit the deck and put the cards into your sideboard. If you start making one, it must be 15, no more, no less.

Then I think to use it in game you start youe second game and sideboard before you start. I think there must be some option in game. Reshuffle and you are off!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
Warning: I might agree to sideboards, but then not actually make any. And complain.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 02:24:50 PM
You and siby are absolutely stomping me at the moment, no complaining allowed! Or aloud.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 02:28:28 PM
Ha ha!

I actually like the sort of sideboard where you use it to radically change your deck, so as to confuse your opponent!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
Ah, the old switcheroo!

(I wish I was able to play tonight! Although I might be able to be on from 7-8 maybe)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 02:44:49 PM
Sorry, can't be on at that time!

Another time though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 11, 2013, 04:44:07 PM
I might be on around 9 onwards... which I guess if neither of you show I will use to make my sideboards!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 09:35:36 PM
Why is green/white such an aggro combination!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 09:42:04 PM
Because wizards wanted to make it aggro?

Bit weird though, isn't it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 09:43:17 PM
It seems like it should be a more peaceful combination!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 09:48:55 PM
Green whutre aggro was good in inni wasn't it?
Just better and faster now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 09:54:03 PM
Yes, it was. Gavony township!

Now it has wig lions.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 10:12:02 PM
People who say 'strictly better' annoy me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 10:21:51 PM
For sure. Burn them!  ::heretic::

Any anyone who says 'meta.'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 11, 2013, 10:32:05 PM
Soldier of pantheon is 'streixly better than savannah lion'

Course it is, its the same card with two extra abilities!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 11, 2013, 10:37:32 PM
Massively annoying! There's no need for it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 12, 2013, 07:25:53 AM
Worst phrase ever.

I had a tough time vs Rufus last night. Not sure I trust my laptop decks as much as I do my PC ones, but it didn't help that every time we changed decks, we seemed to pick the same thing, only with Rufus having a better version.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 12, 2013, 11:10:37 AM
Evil powergaming rufus strikes again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 12, 2013, 02:15:54 PM
Yup, I had a pretty good record on my new name till last night!

I just need to powergame my decks up a bit too probably.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 12, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
That site is crashtastic today!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 12, 2013, 08:51:02 PM
I forgot about 1 extra damage to Siby, from blisteroil being buffed by an instant, but didnt mention it as it was too late, and I thought "ah, one health wont make the difference"

one health made the difference.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 12, 2013, 11:17:43 PM
Isn't that always the way!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 12, 2013, 11:37:44 PM
That's the problem with all these rules. Everything these days seems to have multiple rules and it's hard to keep up with!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 13, 2013, 01:04:33 AM
That's the problem with all these rules. Everything these days seems to have multiple rules and it's hard to keep up with!

Rosewater actually wrote an article about that.  Complexity creep almost killed Magic.  They do make a determined effort to complexity down.  That said, it is a complicated game.  But compare how it is now to before...for example, even Odyssey limited gamestates drew complaints from even the pros.  Tracking Threshold, Flashback cards in the yard, plus the usual hand size, life totals, creatures on the board, etc...it was a nightmare.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 13, 2013, 07:17:29 AM
That's the problem with all these rules. Everything these days seems to have multiple rules and it's hard to keep up with!

That's because they're strictly better than savannah lions

 ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 13, 2013, 08:41:52 AM
Complexity creep almost killed Magic. 

Lorwyn block board-states!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 13, 2013, 08:42:25 AM
That's the problem with all these rules. Everything these days seems to have multiple rules and it's hard to keep up with!

That's because they're strictly better than savannah lions

 ::heretic::

:-P

Ai Towie, well I am glad they noticed it. It's one reason why I don't mind playing the core set sometimes. Strips is back a bit.

As a general rule, I am a fan of lots of rules. It adds more thinking, gives more options, keeps the game evolving. The trouble is I can never get through a game without forgetting a few rules here or there and feeling like a cheat! Rufus seems to be pretty good at staying on top of the rules and pointing out stuff I forget. And if I am watching a game I can see rules that get missed.

But I dread to think how much stuff me and Fin miss when we play! :ph34r:

Plus we have a rules question almost every time we play... feels like warhammer!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 13, 2013, 09:10:57 AM
That's because ive never actually read the rules!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 13, 2013, 09:13:47 AM
It's time you did then!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 13, 2013, 11:12:43 AM
I dunno. It seems like one of those things where it's easier to learn as you go. So many rules that have so many clauses or are really specific... It'd take forever!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 13, 2013, 11:14:21 AM
I'm not suggesting reading the complete rules! Just the basic ones about turn phases and stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 13, 2013, 11:18:04 AM
Hmm, surely even they have lots of issues? I only say that because there seems to be a constant need to rejig how things work.

I dunno, maybe it is a good idea.  But I fear the way my mind works I wouldn't take anything in reading them like that. I constantly have to reread the warhammer rules to keep most of them in my mind...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 13, 2013, 05:10:16 PM
Fair enough. You don't make that many mistakes anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 13, 2013, 06:09:47 PM
I make loads! But they are mostly forgetting things rather than not knowing. The doubling the legend effect by killing your own legend was a bit of an oddball one that sticks out. It seemed so cheeky that it shouldn't be possible. I often end up with 2 of those in hand, now I know how to use them...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 14, 2013, 12:23:19 AM
I've always thought that part of the beauty of Magic is that the basic rules are actually pretty simple, and most of the complexity comes from the cards (and therefore the relevant rules are always literally in hand).  There are, of course, some very complicated bits when certain interactions take place.  But if you get turn order, attacking and blocking, and the stack, and can read the cards intelligently, you'll know what to do in 99% of circumstances.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 14, 2013, 09:11:46 AM
And then you can look up rulings for specific cards on gatherer! Amazing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 14, 2013, 09:15:56 AM
I mainly get confused with “instant” interaction and stuff like that.

Ie smite killing a blocked creature, I thought it would also mean your creature takes damage. But it doesn’t.
Is that “the stack”?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 14, 2013, 09:19:39 AM
Ie smite killing a blocked creature, I thought it would also mean your creature takes damage. But it doesn’t.
Is that “the stack”?

No, it's the turn structure. During combat, one of the steps is 'declare blockers.' This is when you assign blocking creatures. After that step, you can then play fast effects. You can play smite now to kill a blocked creature. After that step is when creatures deal damage. So you've already destroyed the blocked creature, which means it can't deal damage. Your blocking creature will be unharmed.


This is why I suggested reading the basic rules, so as to understand the turn structure properly!

See p17:

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/resources/rules/EN_MTGM14_Rulebook_LR.pdf
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 14, 2013, 10:43:14 AM
I think I need to learn the instant thing better. Like when you atk and there is that awkward moment when you both could do something and you are sitting there waiting for the other person to see if they do theirs first.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 14, 2013, 10:51:06 AM
The person whose turn it is has priority! They can pass it to their opponent if they don't want to play anything... but if the opponent passes too, you move on.

I think.  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 14, 2013, 10:59:20 AM
Ie smite killing a blocked creature, I thought it would also mean your creature takes damage. But it doesn’t.
Is that “the stack”?

No, it's the turn structure. During combat, one of the steps is 'declare blockers.' This is when you assign blocking creatures. After that step, you can then play fast effects. You can play smite now to kill a blocked creature. After that step is when creatures deal damage. So you've already destroyed the blocked creature, which means it can't deal damage. Your blocking creature will be unharmed.


This is why I suggested reading the basic rules, so as to understand the turn structure properly!

See p17:

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/resources/rules/EN_MTGM14_Rulebook_LR.pdf

I definitely think I SHOULD read the basic rules, siby was arguing you don't need to ;)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 14, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
It can't hurt to read the rules! They aren't even that long.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 14, 2013, 02:08:43 PM
No you mustn't read the rules!

So Rufus, it could go like this?

Me attack. Not play instant. Opponent not play instant. Then can I still play an instant or not? If not, does that mean the defending player always gets the initial ability to respond to an instant or ability? And if both players pass initially you hit the next step?

It feels sometimes like you are both wating to use something but no one wants to be the first to do it... Should we be more verbal about what we are doing?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 14, 2013, 02:22:01 PM
I think that if both players pass the chance to do anything, then the current turn step ends. So if you (as active player) pass the chance to use fast effects after declaring attackers, and then your opponent passes also, you immediately move to the 'declare blockers' step. After declaring blockers, you get another opportunity to play spells and effects. Then combat damage happens, followed by another chance to play.

If it's your turn, you either take the initiative or risk losing the chance to do anything.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 14, 2013, 05:43:01 PM
Interesting, I shall remember this.

I often find you  Rufus to be holding on to some trick to use on me and I can tell you are, but I suppose I need to let you know I am passing initially and see what happens, then respond. It's a tricky balance, cos sometimes that will mean not using whatever helpful thing you have just incase it's wasted!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 14, 2013, 07:18:57 PM
The person whose turn it is has priority! They can pass it to their opponent if they don't want to play anything... but if the opponent passes too, you move on.

I think.  :unsure:

I think that if both players pass the chance to do anything, then the current turn step ends. So if you (as active player) pass the chance to use fast effects after declaring attackers, and then your opponent passes also, you immediately move to the 'declare blockers' step. After declaring blockers, you get another opportunity to play spells and effects. Then combat damage happens, followed by another chance to play.

If it's your turn, you either take the initiative or risk losing the chance to do anything.

Correct on both counts.  The player whos turn it is always starts with priority.  Whenever a player has priority, he can do one of two things: 1. Play a card or activated ability or 2. Pass priority.  Also, a thing most players don't realize is that when you play a spell or ability when you have priority, priority stays with you.  So the player with priority can play as many spells/effects as they like (provided they're all Instants of course) before passing priority to the other player. 

In practice, most of the above is glossed over in most routine situations.  But, as Siby pointed out, it does come up sometimes, often in combat when you have to know who has priority because the order of combat tricks is often vital. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 14, 2013, 10:07:46 PM
Towie, I would love to play against you, buf I bet I'd get whooped.  :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 15, 2013, 01:44:10 AM
Towie, I would love to play against you, buf I bet I'd get whooped.  :wink:

It;s quite possible lol.  I've played casually since 1994ish (Revised), and competitively on and off since 2001.  My best finish was 32nd out of 700+ players at the Ohio State Championships when I was in college; so I'd consider myself a bit better than average competitive player.   

I really should update the program and try to play with you guys sometime, it would be fun.  I don't always play in super-competitive mode, either.  When my friends get together and play we play pretty casual 60-card formats like Emperor and such, or we play EDH/Commander (my favorite deck of all time is my Avacyn-led EDH deck).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 15, 2013, 07:44:17 AM
I've certainly seen that there is such a thing as a better player at magic. When I used to draft for a few months at the local store, even there there were 2 or 3 guys who just had a total grip on the game and almost always won. I was normally able to place right behind those guys, but I only ever hit the number one spot by beating them one time.

It's interesting that a game that relies a lot on playing what comes into a relatively small hand can be so influenced by the person playing them. Just goes to show that timing and planning and knowing the cards plays a pretty huge part.

If you can get on the program it would certainly be cool to try and get in some games. I'm sure we could sort out a time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2013, 10:33:28 AM
Ha, master of waves has price-jumped since some French guy won a tournament with a mono blue devotion deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 15, 2013, 10:56:17 AM
wank! I liked him and might have got some.

MTG makes me think of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQAR-nx4w88
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 15, 2013, 10:57:12 AM
Ģ20 fucking quid!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2013, 11:09:52 AM
Haha. You missed the boat.

I think he was about 4 quid last week.


Hero's downfall has doubled too. Must be all the Elspeths.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 15, 2013, 11:26:51 AM
I still wouldn’t have bought him at 4, so no big shakes I guess.

Means I wont be able to use that deck in real though! Don’t think it’s really good enough for non real, but think would be good in real.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2013, 11:31:48 AM
I made a monoblue devotion deck that definitely didn't copy the one on the magic site!  ::heretic::


What was our rule for 'real?' No card that cost more than 2 quid?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 15, 2013, 11:39:14 AM
rufus is a dedicated follower of fashion!

I think it was Ģ2… cant remember though.

I should be able to get on tonight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2013, 01:31:39 PM
You'll get to play my fashionable new deck then.

I did take out the planeswalkers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 15, 2013, 07:27:30 PM
I've certainly seen that there is such a thing as a better player at magic. When I used to draft for a few months at the local store, even there there were 2 or 3 guys who just had a total grip on the game and almost always won. I was normally able to place right behind those guys, but I only ever hit the number one spot by beating them one time.

Yeah, I guess I would be one of "those guys."  I usually go 5-0, 4-1, or 3-2 at FNM and finish in the top 8.  I win the whole thing (5-0) about every 3-4th time I play.  I'd say I'm a slightly above average player, but a very good deckbuilder.  In particular, I think my strength is diagnosing the metagame and tweaking my decks to exploit that.  For instance, the tournament where I had my best finish was Onslaught Block + Mirroden.  I knew there would be a lot of artifacts around, so I maindecked 4 Shatter.  My teammates laughed at me.  People on internet forums laughed at me.  Then I placed 32/700+ and only sideboarded the Shatters out in one match (out of 9, I think it was).  Tournament Magic players suffer badly from groupthink, and I love exploiting that.

It's interesting that a game that relies a lot on playing what comes into a relatively small hand can be so influenced by the person playing them. Just goes to show that timing and planning and knowing the cards plays a pretty huge part.

It really is.  My friends/teammates often try to dissect our matches after tournaments to analyze where mistakes might have been made; even in a pretty straightforward game, the decision tree gets pretty huge pretty quickly.  It's one of the (many) reasons I love the game so much.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2013, 09:44:13 PM
Finlay: Control decks are so boring.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 15, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
yes.

Which is why in general they're not as good as before!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2013, 09:47:30 PM
I actually fell asleep.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 15, 2013, 10:16:26 PM
I find aggro vs. current-generation control decks to be some of the most tense and exciting matchups, myself.  But I say this as someone who's currently playing Boros control, so maybe I'm biased...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2013, 10:21:43 PM
Trust me, it was neither tense nor exciting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 15, 2013, 11:13:32 PM
What kind of control was it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2013, 11:45:49 PM
I wonder if we should try playing commander/edh again. Or did we hate it?

There's a new commander set coming out soon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 16, 2013, 07:13:57 AM
I liked edh, you hated it!
The games take a long-ish time, and I got out an absolutely ginormous prime speaker vegana.
What kind of control was it?

Blue red white. Sphinx's revelation and supreme verdict and detention sphere. Burn spells.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 16, 2013, 07:48:02 AM
I don't think we had much luck with edh. It basically felt like whoever had the best genreral won.

Are you guys using sideboards yet?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 16, 2013, 08:44:58 AM
I liked edh, you hated it!

I'm seeing a pattern here.  :icon_sad:

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 16, 2013, 11:14:46 AM
I’m lunching at work today, so let me know if anyone will be on between 1-2!

Havent sorted sideboards... perhaps I will soon... maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 16, 2013, 08:52:33 PM
I'm on the magic site now. With a control deck.

edit: which I enjoy playing!

So much better than refusing to move in 40K.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 16, 2013, 09:29:12 PM
Got rufus down to 30-2.

Now I think he's gonna win!

yes, he did!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 16, 2013, 09:33:19 PM
I think so too!  ::heretic::


Control!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 16, 2013, 09:46:43 PM
Only life point that matters is the last one.  It's a resource to be used, just like cards in hand.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 16, 2013, 09:49:11 PM
helped I drew 4 land in a row!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 16, 2013, 09:49:55 PM
You know that mono blue deck that won some tournament?

I don't like it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 08:22:19 AM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/cmd13/7HBiwtL2j7_EN.jpg)

Protection from Finlay!  :icon_lol:


It's from commander, by the way. So for multiplayer games!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 17, 2013, 09:09:09 AM
Is commander the same as edh?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 09:24:10 AM
Yes!

I think EDH is the original name, and commander is what wizards call it since they adopted the format.

There are five preconstructed commander decks coming out in November. They cost 25 quid though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 17, 2013, 10:04:39 AM
is it meant to always be multiplayer? I think we only played it single player.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 10:12:15 AM
We did try multiplayer a couple of times, but the program tends to crash before the game is over.

I don't think you're supposed to play with only two people.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 17, 2013, 10:13:46 AM
surely you can orzhov everyone and be happy?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 10:18:17 AM
Extort in multiplayer is cheat-tastic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 17, 2013, 01:21:42 PM
I'm not sure I like EDH. It seems so complicated, especially on GCCG, I can never tell what's going on, everything is tiny and everybody's board is all over the place. Plus some commanders are stupidly good. Others are totally useless...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 01:23:52 PM
It's probably good if you play it in real life.

And you aren't supposed to powergame your deck! That's against the code.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 17, 2013, 01:25:23 PM
One person's powergame is another person's fluffy.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 01:27:11 PM
That's not true though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 17, 2013, 01:30:10 PM
Well, it kinda is. For example, you could view an Empire army full of demis and knights and steam tanks as powergamey because it's all the best choices, or as fluffy because it is an all cavalry style thing. Or you could view a control deck as powergamey or themey... and one doesn't necessarily negate the other. Some themed stuff is just way better than other themed stuff...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 01:34:34 PM
Well, I meant the difference between a powegamey deck and a more fair deck. Theme is a separate matter entirely!

You can load up your EDH deck with sol rings and demonic tutors and all that, and it will be better than a deck that didn't do the same.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 17, 2013, 01:41:25 PM
That's a really difficult thing to judge though isn't it? Over the entire course of magic history?

Unless maybe you use gatherer and have a star rating cap limit, but even that's dependent on what a bunch of random people think...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 01:46:40 PM
Some cards are self-evidently overpowered! It's not hard to judge at all.

In EDH, you are supposed to limit your own deck so that everyone has fun.



Fair vs unfair:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1155&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370732&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 17, 2013, 02:08:53 PM
are you?

isnt the banned list for that?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 17, 2013, 02:31:20 PM
Yeh, self regulation is a very vague sort of thing...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 17, 2013, 02:54:54 PM
Well, I meant the difference between a powegamey deck and a more fair deck. Theme is a separate matter entirely!

You can load up your EDH deck with sol rings and demonic tutors and all that, and it will be better than a deck that didn't do the same.

Can be, but one tutor in a 100 card deck isn't too bad.  Likewise, sol rings are greatly, when you have a decent chance of pulling one in your first two turns, but a 100 card deck makes it really unlikely that you will do that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 03:03:27 PM
Point = missed, Phil.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 17, 2013, 03:09:21 PM
Okay, throw me a bone then, what was the point?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2013, 03:20:52 PM
Never mind.


On an unrelated issue, how does sideboarding actually work in GCCG? I didn't see an option on the game menu.

Since I do now have one deck with a sideboard. Because I copied it off the internet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 17, 2013, 03:35:41 PM
Commander is for long time players with huge selections of cards.  It lets you use your favorite legend and color combination and pull from all of your cards.  The size of the deck and the limit of one of each card waters down the power of the various cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 17, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
Maybe that's the problem. We have infinite and all power cards at our desposal... We break the format by default!

Rufus, to make a sideboard right click in your 'edit deck' and do 'add sideboard'.

Then you can opt to either add cards to the main deck or sideboard as you wish. Watch out because if you have sideboard selected and you just middle click to add cards they will go in there.

In game; before you start you can add and remove cards to and from sideboard, then just reshuffle and go. You don't have to do your sideboarding pregame, which would be a pain as you'd be constantly having to rejig your deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 18, 2013, 09:56:27 AM
Thanks Siby! We'll have to try that next time then.


Also, commander image gallery:

https://www.wizards.com/Magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/commander2013/cig#


And deck lists:

https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/269c


It's funny how they insist on putting Sol Ring into all of them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 18, 2013, 10:35:48 AM
I like this one so much!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/cmd13/rDas0lTAPg_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 18, 2013, 10:41:26 AM
I posted him ages ago!

But yes, he's bird-tastic. Too bad his deck doesn't have many birds.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 18, 2013, 10:51:26 AM
Yeh, and I meant to say then I loved him, but forgot!

Welkin and squadron hawk suck in commander though
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 18, 2013, 11:38:03 AM
It's funny how they insist on putting Sol Ring into all of them!

Well why wouldn't you?  It is a nice accelerator if you can get it in your first 15 cards.  I have it in my commander deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 18, 2013, 11:42:51 AM
Yeh, and I meant to say then I loved him, but forgot!

Welkin and squadron hawk suck in commander though

Didn't you make an edh bird deck? Were there enough decent birds?



I wonder if I should ebay my Master of Waves while he's still riding high in the charts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 18, 2013, 12:02:07 PM
Yeh, and I meant to say then I loved him, but forgot!

Welkin and squadron hawk suck in commander though

Didn't you make an edh bird deck? Were there enough decent birds?



I wonder if I should ebay my Master of Waves while he's still riding high in the charts.

yes, and yes! lots of good blue and white spells too.
I think I have 2 commander decks.



That is probably what i'd do.... there's no point sticking one in, he has to have the deck built around him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 18, 2013, 12:35:58 PM
huh, my simic EDH is standard.

I have a feeling we did this to counter the "you're not really meant to have all cards ever available to you in EDH thing".


Do you want to try EDH again then rufmeister general?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 18, 2013, 12:41:45 PM
If I remember right we tried both all stuff and standard edh... if you guys try it let me know how it goes...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 18, 2013, 02:25:03 PM
Do you want to try EDH again then rufmeister general?

Not sure... I lost all my old decks, so would have to make a new one. And it's a hassle.

Also, if you say you're going to play EDH you get someone you don't know inviting themselves to play! And they always turn out to have some annoying powergamey deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 18, 2013, 02:36:24 PM
EDH is bizarre in a competitive setting.  You end up seeing one of everything great.  Every type of dual land, sol ring, tutor, etc.

What makes EDH interesting is the choice of Commander.  You can go with a huge one that is powerful or you can use a low cost one that you can get out there quick and return for cheap.

My deck is G/B/U using either Vorsh or the gorgon.  It is made for Vorsh.  It has land grab from green, creature bounce, piles of counter spells, creature removal, and card draw.  All to get things out of the way so Vorsh can club people and then to protect him from being removed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 19, 2013, 12:11:03 AM
Hurray for sideboards!

That neck deck is pretty nasty. Without the sideboard Rufus would have demoned me to death easily. As it turned out, I was able to add a flying killer  which killed the demons and just about squeezed me out enough. I think it helped that I had a few creatures that avoided the burn spells.

Look forward to seeing if the sideboards make for more close games or if this was a one off.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 19, 2013, 06:25:42 PM
EDH has to be multiplayer, IMO.  To me, it's the ultimate social game.  My playgroup bans anything that is unfun for the majority of the table.  Our last banning was when I played a Praetor's council with like 15 mana on the table and just won the game right there.  The game had been fun and back-and-forth until that point.  After I'd won, I basically said "So that was kinda dumb and ruined a fun game.  Move to ban Praetor's Council?"  Everyone agreed and that was that.  We also do a lot of in-game politic-ing.  If one player is jumping out to an early lead, we all gang up on him, and at least destroy his board position to level things out again.  I've had an entire table coordinating instant spells to take out an equipped-up Avacyn before.  It's great fun.  As I've said before, my Avacyn EDH deck is my favorite deck I've ever made, in so many ways (I love angels, it's pimped out with foils and all my favorite rare Plains that I've been collecting for years, and it's slow, ponderous, but powerful as hell -- the end up is always an Avacyn with protective equipment/enchantments, tokens to protect from sac effects, and then a board-wipe to kill everyone else's stuff but not mine), and EDH is my favorite format to play and deckbuild for.  But to me, EDH is only so much fun with a group like mine, that's committed to long, even, un-broken games that I think EDH was designed to provide. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 19, 2013, 08:27:26 PM
No one is on the magic site.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 20, 2013, 12:09:25 AM
Sorry! Match of the Day today!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 20, 2013, 09:11:31 AM
Bah!  :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 20, 2013, 09:53:37 AM
Yeh, but did you see Wilshere's goal?!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 20, 2013, 03:29:44 PM
In commander/EDH, the commander can be returned to the player's hand with a bounce card (unsummon or something), right? He doesn't go to the command zone instead?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 20, 2013, 04:19:56 PM
Commander only goes to the command zone if he would be placed in the graveyard or exiled.

Bounce puts him back in your hand.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 20, 2013, 04:58:48 PM
isnt it better to be in hand, because mana price escalates for command zone?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 20, 2013, 05:13:19 PM
I just wanted to check they could go to your hand. In case it wasn't allowed for some reason.

Thanks Phil!


Quote
because mana price escalates for command zone?

Unless you have that bird wizard guy from the new set!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 20, 2013, 07:10:54 PM
Commander only goes to the command zone if he would be placed in the graveyard or exiled.

Bounce puts him back in your hand.

Correct.

isnt it better to be in hand, because mana price escalates for command zone?

Unless they have an "exile from hand" effect, which has happened to me.  >.<
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 20, 2013, 08:42:48 PM
My Niv-Mizzet accidentally got shuffled into my library and wouldn't come back. I returned him to my hand in response to a destroy effect, forgetting that I'd already cast time reversal. Should have let him die and just recast him!


Edit: I made a minotaur tribal deck on GCCG.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 20, 2013, 09:32:13 PM
Yeh, but did you see Wilshere's goal?!

Yes!! Arsenal were amazing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 20, 2013, 09:39:50 PM
I'm sure there used to be a 'tribal creatures' filter on GCCG, but it seems to have gone. Maybe it made the program crash.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 21, 2013, 02:39:48 PM
I think there was a tribal thing too... I didn't use it much though cos there was so much to search through and I think stuff would only appear very specifically so if it was a elf druid it would be in a different place to an elf warrior or something, so I might be wrong. I just ended up using gatherer more.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 21, 2013, 10:06:05 PM
Probably too late today huh?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 22, 2013, 09:24:57 AM
I guess it was too late. Never mind.

I'm glad I didn't imagine the tribal filter! It's definitely not there anymore.


Today's 'reconstructed' on the wizards site... no planeswalkers added to the deck! Because it was a boris aggro deck, but still.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 22, 2013, 07:45:32 PM
Today's 'reconstructed' on the wizards site... no planeswalkers added to the deck! Because it was a boris aggro deck, but still.

I ran 2x Chandra, Pyromancer in my pre-roation Boros aggro.   :wink:  They helped win games that went long.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 22, 2013, 10:06:14 PM
Chandra, Boredom-o-mancer.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 22, 2013, 10:34:43 PM
Hey, when you pay that much for four pieces of cardboard, you better believe you put them in every deck you make!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 22, 2013, 10:36:48 PM
Ha ha, I bet!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 23, 2013, 09:47:14 AM
New artwork on the infamous 'power nine' cards. But only for magic online, because they aren't allowed to reprint these.

(http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/digital/magiconline/card_blacklotus.png)

(http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/digital/magiconline/card_ancestralrecall.png)

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/10212013/vintagemasters
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 23, 2013, 10:16:47 AM
(http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/digital/magiconline/card_timewalk.png)

 ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 23, 2013, 10:28:19 AM
The glory days of blue!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 23, 2013, 07:23:58 PM
The glory broken days of blue!

Fixed that for ya.   :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 23, 2013, 09:35:45 PM
Blue is the best!



Huh, minotaurs are not very promising so far.


Definitely they suck.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 24, 2013, 12:54:58 AM
I could have told you that! I actually wondered about making a mino deck too... maybe you can with a lil cheating... Or maybe once all of theros is out... Still 2 sets to come!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 24, 2013, 02:12:55 AM
I could have told you that! I actually wondered about making a mino deck too... maybe you can with a lil cheating... Or maybe once all of theros is out... Still 2 sets to come!

I think MaRo said that the minotaur tribal theme was a minor one, but it would be fleshed out throughout the block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2013, 09:13:12 AM
The problem is that you want to use the black/red minotaur, but the other black minotaurs are rubbish. I suppose I could reduce the minotaur count in favor of some burn spells.

I only played two games though, and didn't draw the +1/+1 guy or Boris. So there might still be hope for the cow-men.

It will be nice if they get some more cards in the next two sets though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2013, 09:50:25 AM
Inefficient creatures, 3 mana for a 2/3 without abilities.

That was good a long time ago!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2013, 09:58:32 AM
Some of the minotaurs are quite good!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373511&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373672&type=card)


There's a deck in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2013, 10:41:11 AM
They are good. Only need a couple more good ones to get rid of the inefficients then?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: commandant on October 24, 2013, 12:48:46 PM
Would that include your lands?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 25, 2013, 06:52:36 PM
Probably gonna jump on a bit later. Fingers crossed it's a good day.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 25, 2013, 09:36:57 PM
I'm on now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 25, 2013, 09:45:36 PM
On my way back in
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 25, 2013, 10:20:22 PM
Best common in Theros = gray merchant.


Edit: minotaurs won a game!  :Ohmy:

Two games!


Mooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 25, 2013, 10:55:45 PM
Enchantment deck = not so great.

It lacks creatures that really work with them right now. Heroic is all very well but I don't want to be targeting my own guys...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 25, 2013, 10:58:58 PM
I thought it was a control deck! What were the enchantment-focused things? Those cat people?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 26, 2013, 10:21:59 AM
The cat people and the enchant aura that boosts off other enchants. But it turns out not to be enough... Maybe one more card that likes enchantments and it would be fine... I honestly thought the cat people was an enchantment or I would have board swept first. Silly me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 26, 2013, 10:40:36 AM
Oh, ethereal armour. That's a classic.

Did you not have sphere of safety? That's the standard card for enchanty control decks at the moment.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=270969&type=card)

Warning: it makes for incredibly dull games.


I honestly thought the cat people was an enchantment or I would have board swept first. Silly me!

I thought they were at first, too. Something about that card makes it look enchanty at first glance.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 26, 2013, 01:48:12 PM
I had spheres of safety but I sideboarded them out game 2. They just seem expensive and if your opponent has one mean swinger they can just pay it each turn and smack you. I prefer soul tithe...

I had a bunch of stuff you never saw like the Boris soldier maker and such. To be honest what my deck probably lacks is elspeths, hehe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 26, 2013, 11:54:38 PM
8 game losing streak vs rufus...  :unsure:

Maybe time to try using the horrible stuff...  :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 26, 2013, 11:55:42 PM
Sorry! I'm on a roll!  ::heretic::

I'll play simic next time. That should break my streak!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 27, 2013, 08:35:58 AM
Use the control deck I've got!

But then Rufus won't play anymore after :p
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2013, 09:22:58 AM
I'll just use my own control decks in reprisal!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 27, 2013, 10:22:14 AM
I have a control deck, remember? It's the white green hexproof one that you both kinda hated. 
 :-P

Time to bring it back out perhaps, mwuhaha.

The only one I used last night that was even semi successful was my white populate, bizarrely. I always expect it to be rubbish but it does quite well. It just showed up at the wrong time. Bloodrush is so tough to defend against.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2013, 10:33:24 AM
Time to bring it back out perhaps, mwuhaha.

Go for it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 27, 2013, 02:25:02 PM
I'm on now if anyone happens to be about...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 27, 2013, 07:22:44 PM
I'll just use my own control decks in reprisal!  :icon_razz:

It's a trap!

If you think playing aggro vs. control is boring, you'll die of boredom during a control vs. control matchup.  Last week at FNM I played by Boros control vs. an Azorius control deck, and the first 10 turns were just us making land drops and passing the turn! 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 27, 2013, 10:46:25 PM
I played heavy during Ice Age block, a black/blue control deck.  It was strong creature removal, bounce, counter with glacial chasm to protect against aggro.  Eventual finish was hecatomb/minion of leshrac (thrull pit feeders).

I only ran a handful of creatures and piles of counters.  Playing solid blue lock down decks was a head ache for sure!  There was a lot of aggro type decks back then though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 28, 2013, 07:46:16 AM
Gruul is tough to control, bloodrush seems a tough mechanic to stop.

I tried making a shadowborn deck yesterday. Don't think it's gonna work...  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2013, 10:39:51 PM
turn 3 stormbreath dragon.

thanks, fake llanowar elves.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 28, 2013, 10:49:50 PM
You guys are on now??
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2013, 10:50:55 PM
I'm rage quitting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
i'm going to bed now! just played 2 quick games vs rufus.

 jump on and see if rufus wants to play
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2013, 11:00:46 PM
I can't get anything right!  :eusa_wall:

I genuinely feel stupid tonight. Can't even read mana costs properly! Must be bed time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 28, 2013, 11:56:54 PM
Well at least I got in one game and finally won something  :-P

I will try and remember that the times are offset now... at least until the end of the week...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2013, 10:12:46 AM
I actually could have cast steam augury at one point, but didn't feel like the hassle. And I normally love that spell!

Next time I'll play properly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2013, 10:47:02 AM
Average internet card shop price for Master of Waves = Ģ18

Average ebay price = Ģ8

 :icon_exclaim:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 29, 2013, 09:05:55 PM
Average internet card shop price for Master of Waves = Ģ18

Average ebay price = Ģ8

 :icon_exclaim:

I've noticed this, too.  I think Star City Games is bad about gouging people on whatever cards are hot in the metagame at the moment.  And then the other internet sellers take their lead from SCGs, so it trickles down.  All the while, the actual market keeps doing its normal thing.  I lot of people stupidly buy from Star City Games just because it's easy, and because they were already there to read articles.  It's a bit depressing how influential that site is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 29, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
american!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 29, 2013, 09:19:10 PM
I buy from Bid Wicket.  They have a fair number of shops on there.

But you really can make out well on cards if you are careful with ebay.  I am too lazy.  I mark out the deck and then acquire what I can through local trades, then buy the rest online.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 29, 2013, 10:24:42 PM
But you really can make out well on cards if you are careful with ebay.  I am too lazy.  I mark out the deck and then acquire what I can through local trades, then buy the rest online.

That's how I do it too.  I usually only invest the time to do eBay for the really expensive cards.  I got my set of Chandras presale for about $80, which was about half price compared to what they go for now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 29, 2013, 10:59:19 PM
weird games tonight
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 29, 2013, 11:05:09 PM
In fairness, my deck was set up to be weird.

I'm always curious about cards like Master of Cruelties and wanted to see if I could build a deck around it...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2013, 11:06:22 PM
Hmmm, again I thought I wanted to play, but then it turned out I didn't once I got on there.

I must have magic fatigue.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 29, 2013, 11:08:05 PM
I sensed that...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
Sorry.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 29, 2013, 11:18:46 PM
In fairness, my deck was set up to be weird.

I'm always curious about cards like Master of Cruelties and wanted to see if I could build a deck around it...

Master of Crualty is nasty.  Looks like crap initially, but he is an awesome answer to draw decks or control decks.  In a R/B deck it is hateful.  He works best with lots of flashback.  You can cast your stuff from the graveyard while the opponent is locked into using what they draw for that single turn with no ability to use anything on your turn.

I got beaten by the deck last FNM I attended.  He was throwing lingering souls etc from the graveyard and I just coudn't keep up.  I had him down to 1 life to 32 and he crawled all the way back like a slow motion car accident.  I couldn't believe it was happening.  He beat me pretty handily the first game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2013, 11:21:06 PM
Flashback's gone though.

And I think you mean the discardy demon guy. Not the 'you are set to 1 life' one.


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369068&type=card)


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=368981&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 29, 2013, 11:23:50 PM
No, I mean I got him all the way down to one life and I was at 32 with my B/W extort deck.  He then crawled all the way back and won.  Fucking disgusting and terrifying all at the same time!

Yeah, in block, Flashback is gone.  But this was before Theros.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 29, 2013, 11:29:15 PM
Whoops, no you are right.  I was thinking of this guy:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369068&type=card)

Got the names screwed up.  Never played the master of cruelty.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2013, 11:38:28 PM
They're really similar-looking cards! One rakdosy demon is much the same as another.

I think rakdos is my least favourite Ravnica guild. Maybe tied with Dimir.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 29, 2013, 11:43:25 PM
Yeah.  They are a strange guild.  Dimir were my first guild in the original block.  I was really excited for that kind of manipulation since BU is such a classic "Bruise" combination of control and aggression.  BW is my favorite though.

The sire of insanity shouldn't have worked.  It really was a nightmare, but the whole thing was so bizarre that I couldn't be irritated.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on October 29, 2013, 11:49:02 PM
I never liked Rakdos much, either, although I will say they did a much better job this time around than they did last time.  Hellbent needed to be REALLY powerful to outweight the fact that you were ditching your entire hand as quickly as possible, which is usually terrible from a strategy standpoint.

Obviously, I love Boros: thematically, and mechanically.  I love how the blend the aggressivenes of Red with the orderliness and teamwork of White.  I also like the military aspect of the guild.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on October 29, 2013, 11:51:42 PM
The method of releasing all of the cards for each guild within each set didn't work well last time either.  Rakdos was in the last set (original Ravnica) , meaning they weren't around as long and cycled out with less time in use.  Combined with the complete lack of strategy, as you stated, and the fact that they weren't even as aggro as either Boros or Gruul left them feeling like a complete second tier combo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 29, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
I used master of cruelties in a wall deck that stalls till you hit 7 land, then play him, attach no-block equipment, slap the enemy and then play a little burn spell. I am curious to see if I can pull it off more than just the one time...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2013, 12:01:17 AM
I think Izzet most closely matches my temperament!


I used master of cruelties in a wall deck

Replace 'master of cruelties' with something else, and that describes any of your decks!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 30, 2013, 07:48:01 AM
Hehe, that's almost fair... Alas I can't squeeze walls into my dimir decks...

If we are going real though, expect more walls...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2013, 09:58:50 AM
Alas I can't squeeze walls into my dimir decks...

Doesn't blue have the only true walls in standard? I think so!


Anyway, we don't have to go completely into 'real' mode. It's just nice to have the option.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 30, 2013, 10:10:11 AM
True, I could do a dimir wall deck... But I always assosociate them with green cos I have always used them to stall for huge mana.

Some of the best walls are blue in fairness. The doorkeeper I'd amazing with axebane. I have legitimately milled you a couple of times I think without even meaning to!

I'll probably make a few real decks for variety but Yeh I still have unreal ideas like silly master of cruelty deck happening.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 30, 2013, 10:18:13 AM
I sensed that...
me too!

Best just not to go on if don't want to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2013, 10:21:46 AM
Master of cruelties is quite rubbish, so it's probably cheap enough to fall into the 'real' category!

I hate milling. Such a hassle, and not even good.


Remember when we all did blue/green wall decks that stalled and then cast massive things? That was... interesting.


Quote from: Finlay
me too!

Best just not to go on if don't want to play.

I thought I did! But then I was too tired, and grumpy.

Sorry!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 30, 2013, 10:24:31 AM
the deck I used vs MoC seemed to land stall a bit there.

I had purphoros and MoW in hand, but got stuck on 3 mana. Slap purphoros down, then MoW next turn would have burned you for 8 and given me 4 elementals.

Only played once though, so hard to tell!
Are there any other win conditions? Ie, what do you do if someone mizzium mortar, chain to the rocks or pacifies him?


rufus: I only went on to make my "real" decks for another day, but then saw you and siby, and I always feel obliged to play!
was meant to be painting my incubi though- didn't do any.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2013, 11:38:25 AM
rufus: I only went on to make my "real" decks for another day, but then saw you and siby, and I always feel obliged to play!
was meant to be painting my incubi though- didn't do any.

I wasted your time! Sorry.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 30, 2013, 11:42:05 AM
no, it was already too late when I played you!

my fault anyway. I had my painting box out, but hadnt unpacked it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 30, 2013, 04:22:44 PM
He is pretty much my only win condition, but I have tutors to search him out.

My main plan is hasting him so he hits fast. It's not something that will always work for sure. Maybe I could put some hexproof in the deck to stop him being burned and give more time to do his damage.

Master of cruelties is quite rubbish, so it's probably cheap enough to fall into the 'real' category!

I hate milling. Such a hassle, and not even good.


Remember when we all did blue/green wall decks that stalled and then cast massive things? That was... int

I think I may have enduced that. It was an adaptation of my old wall deck. Not as good as it didn't have the lifegiving wall or summoning traps but semi effective.

I agree milling is generally bad but I always viewed that guy as free milling. he was there primarilly as a wall but could mill when I had nothing else to do. Never expected it to be a win condition but I guess sometimes it was!

Alas Master of Cruelties is still 6 quid so way too expensive for real right now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2013, 04:33:29 PM
Alas Master of Cruelties is still 6 quid so way too expensive for real right now.

Only just over 2 quid on firestorm cards. The one on magic card trader is foil, so that accounts for the difference!


He's weird. His ability triggers after the 'declare blockers' step, if he's attacking and isn't blocked. Not in the damage dealing step. Weird.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 30, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
He is a master of cruelties, not of combat steps apparently!

He is a very very weird card, but sometimes you just have to try to make weird cards work, just because!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on October 30, 2013, 10:35:27 PM
Day[9] vs. Michele Boyd in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers Ep 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr_lHDOUJUQ

They use Duel decks in this one - Red/Green creatures vs White/Red munchkins and enchantments
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 31, 2013, 08:58:26 PM
Probably going on in half an hour if either of you is feeling gameish today


Edit

Never mind, they are doing work on it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
So, commander decks are released today. Recommended retail price = Ģ25.

Except they are actually being sold for more than that. One of them costs Ģ40+. And no, you can't buy them directly from wizards of the coast. You have to go through some dirty middleman.


Price-fixing retailers! Kill them!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 01, 2013, 10:54:48 AM
Nationalise MTG sellers!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2013, 11:05:07 AM
But competition brings prices down, just like it did with the trains!

Except they've all fixed the prices at the same level. Like with the trains.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 01, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
I was going for gas, actually. Surely someone is selling them for Ģ25? Do you want to try and play commander now rufels?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2013, 11:11:50 AM
I was going for gas, actually.

Well, same thing.


You can't get them on the internet for retail price. Possibly you can in actual shops. I don't really want one! I'm just annoyed by this ridiculous fake rarity situation.

I have a commander deck anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2013, 11:23:50 AM
Oh, GCCG had moved servers. You have to update before it works.

I had to do this:

http://csbonomia.altervista.org/gccg/
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 01, 2013, 11:30:04 AM
Oh, GCCG had moved servers. You have to update before it works.

I had to do this:

http://csbonomia.altervista.org/gccg/

uh oh, hope mine doesnt break!

and that it solves instability on gccg
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2013, 11:37:27 AM
It should be OK! You might just need to run the update batch file. But if not, adding the line to the file as explained at that link worked for me.

It has the new commander cards! Could try some commander using the elusive precons!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 01, 2013, 11:43:10 AM
That’s what I was gonna suggest, then hopefully…. (enter naieve mode here) the precons will make for decent games vs each other.
Baggsy bird wizard man!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2013, 11:47:31 AM
They should be reasonably balanced against each other! Let's try it. Easier than making one from scratch anyway.

Huh, I like bird man too, but I suppose you have more of a claim. OK, I'll be lifegain-y blue/white/black giant bloke.


p.s. be careful not to mention EDH when we're on GCCG, or someone will want to join the game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 01, 2013, 12:06:28 PM
I fancy both those! That ascetic looks awesome. 2 life and 1 mana for a card!
 I want to use the naya one too as I think that’s my favourite tri-colour combo, but the general looks weird. Isn’t it only ever going to have 3 counters on it?
Actually, just realised, each time it dies it’s 2 more mana isn’t it, so it comes back bigger each time you re-cast it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
The most expensive deck in real life is the red/blue/black one, but I think it's because it has true-name nemesis (the one that's protected from a player). People want that for legacy games.


I want to use the naya one too as I think that’s my favourite tri-colour combo, but the general looks weird. Isn’t it only ever going to have 3 counters on it?
Actually, just realised, each time it dies it’s 2 more mana isn’t it, so it comes back bigger each time you re-cast it.

Yep! So killing him makes him stronger. He looks good! And he's a stag on fire.

Each deck has three legends with the right color combination, so you can swap the commander to one of those if you want.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on November 01, 2013, 02:56:07 PM
I find B/U/G to the be best commander set up.  The included commanders are powerful and versatile, and the color combination allows for draw/counter/ramp.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 02, 2013, 03:54:13 PM
I find B/U/G to the be best commander set up.  The included commanders are powerful and versatile, and the color combination allows for draw/counter/ramp.

I would agree.  The consensus is generally that Green and Blue are the strogest overall Commander colors.  Green ramps and can kill almost anything, and blue has the most broken things to do, such as drawing a million cards and taking extra turns and whatnot.  Black is pretty good too.  White and Red generally are weakest, since their sections of the color pie (small creatures, burn) aren't amazing in Commander.  My monowhite Avacyn deck relies on one of White's few strongpoints in Commander - boardwipes - to be competitive. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 02, 2013, 11:03:28 PM
Rufus you disappeared before I could get out!

Anyways, odd games. As expected, the apostle deck was silly bad. Maybe with a touch of rejigging I could make it a tad more playable... but probably not!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on November 02, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
I find B/U/G to the be best commander set up.  The included commanders are powerful and versatile, and the color combination allows for draw/counter/ramp.

I would agree.  The consensus is generally that Green and Blue are the strogest overall Commander colors.  Green ramps and can kill almost anything, and blue has the most broken things to do, such as drawing a million cards and taking extra turns and whatnot.  Black is pretty good too.  White and Red generally are weakest, since their sections of the color pie (small creatures, burn) aren't amazing in Commander.  My monowhite Avacyn deck relies on one of White's few strongpoints in Commander - boardwipes - to be competitive.

I like black only for the removal, search and draw, and Commander choices.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 03, 2013, 10:32:45 AM
Is EDH 100 cards plus commander, or 100 including?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 03, 2013, 10:43:45 AM
Rufus you disappeared before I could get out!

Sorry! Quit the program by mistake. I did say I was a bit drunk.


Quote from: Finlay
Is EDH 100 cards plus commander, or 100 including?

99 plus commander.

Or you can just import one of the precons, using the import deck option on the menu (under 'specials and box sets' or something like that).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 03, 2013, 11:02:33 AM
Or you can just import one of the precons, using the import deck option on the menu (under 'specials and box sets' or something like that).

OH MY FUCKING GOD

DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT JUST TOOK ME TO MAKE THOSE 2 DECKS

absurd.

facepalm finlay.

Oh well, at least I added wooly thoctar and clan defiance to the red and green one, just to annoy you rufus.


So yeh, I've got 2 edh decks. Was also thinking about making a sealed with 4 theros and 2 magic 2013.


I think I'm on to play now for a bit, although I'm just nipping to the shop to buy some bacon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 03, 2013, 05:21:20 PM
I really thought you knew about the import function! That was one of the reasons I suggested using the precons!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 03, 2013, 05:36:44 PM
Not sure about the deck I chose.

Not sure what 'the plan' is? Where as your decks plan is quite clear.

Although of course I've only drawn a tiny minority of thee cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 03, 2013, 06:18:09 PM
I assume the idea is to combo off bird man's tap/untap ability, like with the monolith.

The lifegain-y giant's plan seems a lot easier to do though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 03, 2013, 07:40:08 PM
there don't seem to be that many. Lady azami scroll lady probably the most notable.

theres a lot of "exile creature and bring back"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2013, 12:07:58 AM
crashed!
halfway thjrough a good game of edh
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 12:09:49 AM
But I was making a comeback! Denied!  ::heretic::

Hurrah, finished the game! I enjoyed that!  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2013, 12:27:24 AM
you'd already comeback, not making a comeback!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 12:28:46 AM
Ha ha, yes! Birdman deck is OK! Tricksy tappy stuff!

Nasty tricksy hobbitses!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
I think using the precon decks made for better games than our previous EDH attempts, because we had a more equal power level. Whereas before we had wildly unbalanced decks. I remember making a ludicrously good deck, then a rubbish one. Too many options!

Stag-on-fire vs birdman was quite swing-y. Even after I locked the game down with the creature-stealing stuff, you still nearly drew the mass destruction spell in time. Could have made a comeback!


Definitely though multiplayer is going to be awkward due to the relatively tiny cards on screen.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2013, 11:48:29 AM
Fopund a website selling the beast one for Ģ25, and the birdwizard one for Ģ28. Other one is also Ģ28.
Ascetic is Ģ38 and the red blue black one is Ģ62!
What’s in it to make it so expensive?

Might buy for Belgium.

I do want to try multiplayer,. The small cards was ok, just a bit annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 11:58:18 AM
The decks are still expensive though! Might be cheaper to make your own deck.


the red blue black one is Ģ62!
What’s in it to make it so expensive?

Seems to be True Name Nemesis that is costing the money.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=376562&type=card)




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I do want to try multiplayer,. The small cards was ok, just a bit annoying.

Do a 3 player game? Fancy it, Siby?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 04, 2013, 02:50:05 PM
Sure, do I have to use one of these precon things? How many are there?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2013, 03:01:43 PM
You don’t have to, and 5.
Apparently one is beardy because it costs Ģ70 to buy! (the red, blue, black one)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 04, 2013, 03:04:48 PM
I kinda wanna make a populate one with troatani, would you guys object to that?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 03:32:44 PM
We were just using the precons to have reasonably balanced games! Otherwise you tend to get maze of ith and other ridiculous stuff appearing (OK, that was me...).

But I imagine a selesnia deck can't be that bad.


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Apparently one is beardy because it costs Ģ70 to buy! (the red, blue, black one)

I don't think that's the deck - it's people wanting that one creature for legacy games that pushed up the price.



I'm having dreams about casting 'enter the infinite' with Niv-Mizzet the firemind in play.  ::heretic::

Draw entire deck! Niv-Mizzet triggers a million times! Kill everyone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on November 04, 2013, 03:43:58 PM
Most of the EDH deck prices are because there are cards in there people want.  Happens to most preconstruct decks really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 04:07:26 PM
Yes, that's what I said!  :icon_razz:


Huh, making a commander deck on GCCG is impossible. I started a Niv-Mizzet deck, but got lost in all the options. Probably that's for the best.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2013, 04:31:56 PM



Huh, making a commander deck on GCCG is impossible. I started a Niv-Mizzet deck, but got lost in all the options. Probably that's for the best.
that’s why it hasn’t worked in the past. I made a standard EDH to try and restrict it a little. Being able to choose everything ever = not really the point. You could always google a niv mizzet edh deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 04:35:21 PM
I have a real life Niv-Mizzet EDH deck! Could copy that, I suppose. But it's not that good.

It's just too tedious to make a deck. I'll stick to the precons for now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 04, 2013, 04:54:38 PM
I'm just gonna use gatherer and stay fairly limited in my scope (not by edition but by creature types etc). Hopefully that will limit my deck to not be too good...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 04:59:05 PM
I always want to put this in decks:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4691&type=card)

So mean though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 04, 2013, 05:02:52 PM
That's the problem with you Rufus, you know all the mean old tricks. Me and Fin are MTG youngsters who are innocent as flowers.  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 05:06:35 PM
I am corrupted by my knowledge of ancient secrets!  ::heretic::

Or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 04, 2013, 05:07:48 PM
It is interesting that there is all the talk of power creep but it seems like there have been very powerful cards here and there all along...are there just more of them now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 05:12:24 PM
The general trend is that creatures are more powerful than in the past, but spells are weaker.

So use newer sets for your creatures, and older sets for spells!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on November 04, 2013, 05:24:00 PM
Exactly!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2013, 05:42:39 PM
I always want to put this in decks:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4691&type=card)

So mean though!

hate capsize!

grrr
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 10:45:03 PM
I don't like sideboards. I never seem to have one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 04, 2013, 11:02:18 PM
Don't matter too much, you still win!

Shall we give up? Seems like a pain today...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 11:04:04 PM
You vanished! Did it crash on you?

I can't get out!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 04, 2013, 11:13:22 PM
Yeh it crashed on me and you seemed to be stuck so I quit out.

Seems overly crashy today so I figured we should give up  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 11:15:24 PM
OK!

I think deathrite shaman crashed it, with his cheaty powers!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 04, 2013, 11:15:39 PM
I wonder how much it costs to fly to Belgium...it would be awesome to play EDH with ya'all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
You should do that!  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2013, 11:16:49 PM
not to mention warhamster, and drinking beer as strong as wine!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on November 04, 2013, 11:25:10 PM
Having great results with running 4 soldiers of the pantheon in my orhzov deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 04, 2013, 11:51:40 PM
Having great results with running 4 soldiers of the pantheon in my orhzov deck.

That card is beast.  Blocks and can't be blocked by such things as: Frostburn Weird, Boros Reckoner, that G/B deathtouch guy, and Obzedat, to name a few.  Plus he's a 2/1 for W and has that random lifegain thing tacked on. 

not to mention warhamster, and drinking beer as strong as wine!

It does sound amazing, I definitely want to go to at least one before I die.  I can't drink beer though, how's the cider over there?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2013, 11:55:03 PM
how's the cider over there?

I don't remember seeing any! Does weird fruit beer count? Because they have that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2013, 11:57:47 PM

 how's the cider over there?

terrible- see, rufus' post.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 05, 2013, 12:00:41 AM
I've never found deathrite shaman to very useful but I keep trying him because he seems like he should be handy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on November 05, 2013, 12:05:43 AM
Deathright is fantastic in a setting where there is as much graveyard manipulation as the Innastrad and Ravnica blocks had.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 05, 2013, 12:12:03 AM
Deathright is fantastic in a setting where there is as much graveyard manipulation as the Innastrad and Ravnica blocks had.

He's good in Legacy/Modern, too, where people cast cheap spells and crack searchlands like mad.

how's the cider over there?

I don't remember seeing any! Does weird fruit beer count? Because they have that.

No, it doesn't.  I have Celiac, so beer gives me a tummyache.  :icon_sad:  Oh well, there's always liquor!  Europe has that, right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on November 05, 2013, 12:18:20 AM
Two of my students are running firedrinker satyrs.

(http://i.tcgplayer.com/71267.jpg)

I told them that I can't imagine a case where I would want to do so.  They claim it is a lethal one drop, but one uses them in a W/R and the other in a G/R.  I keep telling them that they can find better one drops currently with Ravnica still legal.

What gives, am I missing something?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 05, 2013, 12:20:16 AM
Two of my students are running firedrinker satyrs.

(http://i.tcgplayer.com/71267.jpg)

I told them that I can't imagine a case where I would want to do so.  They claim it is a lethal one drop, but one uses them in a W/R and the other in a G/R.  I keep telling them that they can find better one drops currently with Ravnica still legal.

What gives, am I missing something?

Yeah, definitely no reason to run him in either of those decks.  Soldier is way better in Boros, and Dryad Militant in either.  Even mono-red has Rakdos Cackler.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2013, 12:34:55 AM
No, it doesn't.  I have Celiac, so beer gives me a tummyache.  :icon_sad:  Oh well, there's always liquor!  Europe has that, right?

Oh, sorry about that. But I'm sure there must be something suitable to drink!



p.s. yes, the satyr sucks. Though his picture is extremely creepy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on November 05, 2013, 12:48:24 AM
Yeah, definitely no reason to run him in either of those decks.  Soldier is way better in Boros, and Dryad Militant in either.  Even mono-red has Rakdos Cackler.

The R/G player runs the cackler already and could easily run militants if he wanted 8 one drops.

The R/W is running legion loyalists, 2 satyr, 2 militants.  I can't see why he wouldn't try to get something else.

But what do I know, I am the only grey beard.  My current deck is as follows:

2 Dark Pontif (2/7 extort)
4 Obzedat
3 Crypt Ghast (the one that doubles swamp mana production)
4 Basilica Bat
4 Tithdrinker
3 Thrull Grave guys (the one drop)
3 Soldier of the Pantheon

4 Ohrzov Charm
3 1000 lashes
3 Underworld deals
1 read the bones

Really just my orhzov deck minus the blood barons (traded them for Warhammer) and all of the innastrad cards.  Not really a competitive deck but a lot of fun to play with.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2013, 10:10:04 AM
I've gone off playing Orzhov since lingering souls (and vault of the archangel, doomed traveler and tragic slip) rotated out. Much as I love the ghost council and 1000 lashes, it's not the same without the innistrad stuff. Still, your deck looks ok! Might try again.

In fact, no whip of erebos, Phil? Good for bringing back a dead ghost council!


The wizards site has an izzet deck in reconstructed today:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/rc/272

Not unlike mine! Theros was great for izzet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2013, 11:16:08 AM
That satyr is in a RDW tourney winning list… but I don’t see why either.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 05, 2013, 11:18:42 AM
It is like yours!

I think I might need to do like you and stop making tonnes of experimental decks and concentrate on a few that actually work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
just add morwe chandra to your deck rufus?

oh, budget! ha , awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2013, 01:31:36 PM
Yes, they occasionally do a budget reconstructed!


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I think I might need to do like you and stop making tonnes of experimental decks and concentrate on a few that actually work.

I have quite a lot of decks. I just like izzet the best.

By the way, the site also has an article on Master of Cruelties!

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/sf/272

Casual though, so it has old cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 05, 2013, 03:40:37 PM
You may have quite a few decks but you definitely hover around a few. I always intend to do that and then get distracted by the bright shiny lights...

The Master Deck... yes... probably only worth bringing out when I am ready to lose very fast and am in a good mood...  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2013, 03:46:42 PM
Bah, I'm going to make new decks just to spite you!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 05, 2013, 03:47:41 PM
Ok!

I'll probably keep doing it anyway... I can't help myself!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2013, 04:07:43 PM
I haven't done a kraken deck yet! Must remember to make that later.

Edit: made the kraken deck, deleted all the other decks! Except izzet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 06, 2013, 11:08:26 PM
Sorry I dashed so fast... dinner got ready quick.

Heroic and Devotion... both seeming pretty powerful right now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 11, 2013, 03:02:03 PM
New entry for 'absurd decks that won't work:'

I made a maze's end deck:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369038&type=card)

Yes, it tries to win with gates.


Also made biovisionary/progenitor mimic.

Hoping to play sometime on GCCG!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 11, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
Hehe, I almost made that deck too... It might be crazier than the master of cruelties one...

Are you going on today? Might be able to pop in and get a few games...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 11, 2013, 08:24:50 PM
My playgroup almost lost a game of chaos to a Maze's End deck.  Everyone's deck somehow got slow starts in the same game, except the Maze's End guy.  Before we knew it he was about 90% there, and we all had to pile on to kill him before he finished.  Ironically, he lost with all the gates in play, but still hadn't found a Maze's End!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 11, 2013, 10:24:43 PM
Quote from: towishimp
but still hadn't found a Maze's End!

I can see that being a major problem! And there's not much you can do about it really. Maybe mulligan if you don't get one in your opening hand?

There's no way in standard to tutor for one, short of diabolic tutor, right?


Are you going on today? Might be able to pop in and get a few games...

Am on now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 12, 2013, 12:01:37 AM
Sorry Rufus! Ended up not being able to even try and get on...
 :unsure:

I can't think of another way to get to it, except maybe some green spells that mill your own deck to pull out lands and creatures, that could work... You know 'draw 4 cards, you may keep a land and a creature but discard the rest' type ones
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 12, 2013, 12:16:19 AM
Quote from: towishimp
but still hadn't found a Maze's End!

I can see that being a major problem! And there's not much you can do about it really. Maybe mulligan if you don't get one in your opening hand?

There's no way in standard to tutor for one, short of diabolic tutor, right?

He figured he'd eventually draw or tutor for it, but never could.  He runs Sylvan Scrying and Expedition Maps.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 12, 2013, 12:33:49 AM
Another day, hopefully, Siby!

I can't think of another way to get to it, except maybe some green spells that mill your own deck to pull out lands and creatures, that could work... You know 'draw 4 cards, you may keep a land and a creature but discard the rest' type ones

Grisly salvage (green/black) does that. I can't afford to lose gates though! I'd need a reshuffle thing too.


Quote from: towishimp
He runs Sylvan Scrying and Expedition Maps.

Sure, but this is for standard! Easy otherwise - could even dredge them out with life from the loam.


This might be nice:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370579&type=card)

Yes, play my gates for me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 12, 2013, 08:49:45 AM
You looked at m14? You must be desperate!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 12, 2013, 11:32:30 AM
It came up in a gatherer search!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on November 12, 2013, 06:41:38 PM
Use it with the scry lands from Theros, could speed things up, but as a whole, pretty slow mechanic.  4 drop enchantment of mediocre usefulness isn't great, but it would be okay if pushing for the Maze's End deck.  In most cases, creature ramping probably would be better (catyid or the the new elf).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 12, 2013, 08:26:41 PM
You badly need amulet of vigour in this deck! I loved that card...

Also I hope to get on in an hour or so...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 12, 2013, 09:33:06 PM
Have to update my desktop version quickly...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 13, 2013, 11:42:49 AM
Didn't see you on there, Siby! Technical problems?


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Use it with the scry lands from Theros

I already have 28 land in there though: 2 of each gate, 4 mazes and 4 thespian's stages (to copy mazes). Could use some other scry stuff though... magma jet maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 13, 2013, 12:21:37 PM
I did my laptop update a week or 2 back but not my drsktop.

Ended up making more decks last night. Of course!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 13, 2013, 12:29:44 PM
Maybe see you on there tonight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 13, 2013, 03:06:46 PM
It could happen!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 13, 2013, 10:25:09 PM
Maze's end is rubbish.

Not going to happen!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 13, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
But you knew that already!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 13, 2013, 11:14:17 PM
I know, but I hoped it would anyway!

Progenitor mimic is good though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 13, 2013, 11:25:43 PM
I officially hate mimic... got fabled heroed to death and that wasn't even the plan!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 13, 2013, 11:39:55 PM
It made up for missing a biovisionary win by one turn!


Note to rufus: be less grumpy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 14, 2013, 12:00:26 AM
Helpful advice for life: If you plan to make an army of goblins, get them all to walk through a door of destinies...

But watch out for them all turning to pigs.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 14, 2013, 12:01:43 AM
Though the pigs can still win it for you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 14, 2013, 12:36:50 AM
Ai, if you have enough of them, even pigs can kill stuff!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on November 14, 2013, 02:18:44 AM
Anyone remember this "How to play video" back from the turn of the millennium? Ah, the year 2000.

http://youtu.be/7wTa90C02Lg
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 14, 2013, 02:43:43 AM
Anyone remember this "How to play video" back from the turn of the millennium? Ah, the year 2000.

http://youtu.be/7wTa90C02Lg

Classic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on November 14, 2013, 03:00:36 AM
Anyone remember this "How to play video" back from the turn of the millennium? Ah, the year 2000.

http://youtu.be/7wTa90C02Lg

Classic!

I love the cheesy Bill Nye the science guy type humor.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 14, 2013, 11:06:13 AM
Scary video!


If you plan to make an army of goblins, get them all to walk through a door of destinies...

I had the great idea of using door of destinies with master of the waves and young pyromancer, to make giant elemental tokens... then I checked the card, and it says 'cast a spell of the chosen creature type.' Disappointing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 14, 2013, 12:21:51 PM
Talking of tokens, how come the clerics are enchantments?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 14, 2013, 02:20:33 PM
So they are! I don't know why that is.

Heliod loves ethereal armour and sphere of safety then.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 15, 2013, 09:42:43 PM
Thinkin if goin on tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 16, 2013, 08:38:40 PM
Talking of tokens, how come the clerics are enchantments?

According to Rosewater, in the Theros set Enchantments represent the gods...both themselves and their influence on the mortal plane.  That's why the gods, their weapons, and their tokens are all enchantments.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on November 21, 2013, 12:47:48 AM
Day[9] vs. Felicia Day in Magic: The Gathering: Spellslingers Ep 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lk2erZ2OqM

Also, cool art:

(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Borderland-Minotaur-Theros-Spoiler.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 21, 2013, 12:53:13 AM
Talking of tokens, how come the clerics are enchantments?

According to Rosewater, in the Theros set Enchantments represent the gods...both themselves and their influence on the mortal plane.  That's why the gods, their weapons, and their tokens are all enchantments.

Ok that makes sense. Definitely gonna add Helios into my slightly rubbish enchantment deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 21, 2013, 11:08:02 AM
http://www.dorkly.com/article/8227/magic-cards-based-on-people-who-play-magic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2013, 11:16:24 AM
http://www.dorkly.com/article/8227/magic-cards-based-on-people-who-play-magic


Oh dear.

(http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/66/29/c49de095675b257060f8e4ce79bef2f7.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 21, 2013, 11:47:40 AM
na, you’d be a black, sulk character. Handing out poison tokens for every damage done to you. I’d be the red rage guy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2013, 05:07:18 PM
Ha, I felt sure the rage one was directed at me!

But sulking does fit, yes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on November 21, 2013, 06:13:16 PM
Hahaha. In a few years, you could photoshop Ted into this card when he starts beating you at Magic:

(http://2.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/89/35/0e8c0b04d8bf30e5226be2653669058d.jpg)

Also, more cool magic art:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/stf/stf185_travel.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/stf/stf185_bar.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7WFjNbMH_Qw/UetXg6OdI2I/AAAAAAAAUIE/GzlLVcM8m7M/s1600/Theros+art+3.jpg)

(http://payload199.cargocollective.com/1/4/155288/6287514/Battlewise_Hoplite_MTG_Theros_Willmurai_910.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2013, 10:46:46 PM
I like seeing larger versions of the card art.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 21, 2013, 11:58:59 PM
They need to make the cards foot long!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on November 23, 2013, 10:34:14 PM
I forget if I've mentioned this on here, but I have a lithograph of the John Avon Unhinged plains hanging on the wall in my living room.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 01, 2013, 12:59:31 PM
How long till we start getting spoilers of the new set? I am liking theros but I think it needs some more of its own ilk to fill out the decks. I feel like right now I still generally pick a guild and build a deck in that and just add in some handy theros cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 01, 2013, 01:02:42 PM
The next set isn't out until February, I think!

I don't even know if it's a large set or a small one. It should have the two-colour gods though.


By the way, you haven't been on GCCG for ages, Siby!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 01, 2013, 04:16:54 PM
I know! It's thanksgiving season over here and coupled with the increased work , my wifes family were down so I have just been not doing a whole lot of anything!

Have both you guys been on lately? Havnt even opened it up since last time we played!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 01, 2013, 04:25:40 PM
Finlay's never on either. I go on sometimes, see that no one is there, and cry.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 01, 2013, 04:51:33 PM
Ha, I know the feeling!

If you have a decent amount of time you really should post you are on on here!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 01, 2013, 05:21:22 PM
OK, I'll try that sometime!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 01, 2013, 07:05:20 PM
I'll do the same.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 01, 2013, 10:08:25 PM
I dont think I like Theros very much  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on December 02, 2013, 12:29:03 AM
I dont think I like Theros very much  ::heretic::

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366456&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 02, 2013, 09:55:25 AM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1376_sealock.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 02, 2013, 12:59:43 PM
I like theros, but I think it'll be a better set once rtr disappears and removes the need to stick to guilds so much.

Theros reminds me a bit of zendikar which I really enjoyed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 02, 2013, 01:26:08 PM
Theros has a nice theme! I like it.


I think it'll be a better set once rtr disappears and removes the need to stick to guilds so much.

Nooooo! I like ravnica.

I don't see that the guilds make any difference to theros. Do you mean because of all the multicoloured ravnica cards?  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 02, 2013, 02:52:47 PM
All I mean is that the guilds are so strong that its hard to avoid basing your deck around that theme. I suppose that may go away some once more of theros is out. It's probably just because we have played so much under rtr that I have gotten a bit bored of it. I also don't like the themes as much as say innistrad or zendikar. A lot of them are quite odd.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 02, 2013, 07:17:35 PM
Boros for the win! :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 02, 2013, 07:23:45 PM
I love the Theros theme.... but don't seem to like playing it that much
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: towishimp on December 02, 2013, 09:04:04 PM
Oddly enough, in the competitive community, Theros has kindof taken over Standard.  Theros's mechanics are the ones people are building around (devotion, mostly), with Ravnica just providing quality lands and removal cards, for the most part.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 02, 2013, 09:40:39 PM
That explains it. If the competitive community is doing one thing, you can guarantee we are doing the exact opposite!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on December 04, 2013, 11:33:21 PM
Day[9] vs. Grant Imahara from Mythbusters!

http://youtu.be/tjG-hj38KgU

Epic Wall of Frost and Doom Blade maneuver!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 22, 2013, 11:11:46 AM
We played Modern Silverblack last friday.
Very cool, the format has more homebrewn decks and the power level is more enjoyable. Really recomended.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 31, 2013, 11:40:54 AM
My niece bought me four booster packs for Christmas, and there were two mythic rares. They were dragon's maze boosters so they weren't that good (progenitor mimic and legion's initiative), but that's still a pretty impressive drop rate! And both are cards I can use.

I think there's meant to be one mythic per six packs on average?


We played Modern Silverblack last friday.

Does that mean common and uncommon cards only? Interesting!

And less ruinously expensive than trying to play normal modern.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 31, 2013, 05:59:10 PM
So someone else just bought 8 packs and got no mythics, poor person!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 31, 2013, 10:46:13 PM
We played Modern Silverblack last friday.

Does that mean common and uncommon cards only? Interesting!

And less ruinously expensive than trying to play normal modern.
Indeed :-)
Very fun to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 01, 2014, 12:05:44 PM
I might make a deck. Hmmm, isochron scepter is uncommon! Too bad counterspell never made it to modern.


So someone else just bought 8 packs and got no mythics, poor person!

Not my fault!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 01, 2014, 07:25:59 PM
I might make a deck. Hmmm, isochron scepter is uncommon! Too bad counterspell never made it to modern.


So someone else just bought 8 packs and got no mythics, poor person!

Not my fault!
There is a very popular and strong Boros deck which plays it.
Most notable with Lightning Helix.
You can find it on the internet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 01, 2014, 09:34:09 PM
I think I suggested doing no rares a while back but was poo pooed for some reason.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 02, 2014, 12:24:53 PM
I was playing commander yesterday, and I think maybe my mystic snake + deadeye navigator combination is a bit unfair.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=109693

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deadeye%20Navigator

Repeatable counterspells for 2 mana and no card loss!


Quote from: Novogord
Most notable with Lightning Helix.

 :ph34r:

Maybe scepters aren't such a good idea after all!


I think I suggested doing no rares a while back but was poo pooed for some reason.  :-P

Because no one listens to you!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 02, 2014, 03:39:14 PM
Oh it's so true.  :cry:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on January 02, 2014, 05:59:04 PM
Oh it's so true.  :cry:

Wait, what's true? I'm sorry, I wasn't listening.  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 02, 2014, 11:58:32 PM
 :icon_cry: :cry: :icon_cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on January 03, 2014, 06:10:16 PM
Take this you meanies!

OBLITERATE!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 03, 2014, 10:01:46 PM

Repeatable counterspells for 2 mana and no card loss!


Quote from: Novogord
Most notable with Lightning Helix.

 :ph34r:

Maybe scepters aren't such a good idea after all!


I think I suggested doing no rares a while back but was poo pooed for some reason.  :-P

Because no one listens to you!  :icon_razz:
Constant livegain and removal / burn.
All for one mana!
Crazy, just like this thread:-)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 04, 2014, 04:14:34 PM
Early spoilers and the first one is a bit simicy and plasneswalkery! And it pumps out krakens... oh rufus it must be tempting...

(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/kj876db12s_feat279_card-216x302.jpg)


(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/139509-216x300.jpg)

Not very exciting but I kinda like it for some reason.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 04, 2014, 06:05:01 PM
Simic planeswalker that makes krakens!  :Ohmy:

I can feel myself turning to the dark side!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 04, 2014, 07:43:15 PM
Simic planeswalker that makes krakens!  :Ohmy:

I can feel myself turning to the dark side!  ::heretic::
Please, keep your clothes on! :ph34r: :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 04, 2014, 07:58:37 PM
 :icon_sad:

I just meant...

...I want to use that even though it's a planeswalker.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 04, 2014, 10:32:43 PM
:icon_sad:

I just meant...

...I want to use that even though it's a planeswalker.
Understandable, I to love planeswalkers.
I only fear the the 2 loyalty is a little... To less to use. I fear you will never get their...
Even Tibalt costs less.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 05, 2014, 11:42:40 AM
Hopefully the card won't appeal to the competitive crowd, so I can actually buy one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 05, 2014, 02:43:48 PM
It looks crap enough that it wont, and planeswalkers inherently are cool, they just fuck up the balance.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 05, 2014, 07:37:51 PM
The ability to grow whilst holding back big threats to it is pretty handy and if it looks like it will get crushed you can always just use it to explore and then take the hit. If it started any bigger than 2 it would be evil cos churning out a 9/9 every turn os not to be sniffed at...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 08, 2014, 12:11:00 PM
People on that MTG Salvation forum hate Kiora!

What a grumpy lot.  :icon_sad:


I'm looking forward to seeing the two-colour gods in the new set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 08, 2014, 12:42:17 PM
you should be glad she's shit so you can use her
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 08, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
I am glad, but I didn't like how mean the forum was.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 08, 2014, 08:27:45 PM
Forums are always mean. This one has gotten so negative lately I have to remind myself that I actually enjoy playing Warhammer, so much am I battered in the face by how terrible it is!

On a side note, really looking forward to more spoilers. I feel a bit lost in terms of deck building lately and could do with some fresh ideas. Wish they had gone triple colour gods though, sometimes the 2 colour emphasis feels a bit strong on the back of Ravnica and more dual colour is just going to emphasise that. But hey, I'm just being whiny!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on January 08, 2014, 10:18:59 PM
Forums are always mean. This one has gotten so negative lately I have to remind myself that I actually enjoy playing Warhammer, so much am I battered in the face by how terrible it is!

On a side note, really looking forward to more spoilers. I feel a bit lost in terms of deck building lately and could do with some fresh ideas. Wish they had gone triple colour gods though, sometimes the 2 colour emphasis feels a bit strong on the back of Ravnica and more dual colour is just going to emphasise that. But hey, I'm just being whiny!

Is it mean? I hadn't noticed.  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 08, 2014, 11:51:43 PM
Wish they had gone triple colour gods though, sometimes the 2 colour emphasis feels a bit strong on the back of Ravnica and more dual colour is just going to emphasise that. But hey, I'm just being whiny!

But you can still make three colour decks.


I think we should make Modern decks, using only commons and uncommons, as Novogord suggested. Modern is any set from 8th edition onward, I believe.

I promise not to use any isochron scepters.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 09, 2014, 12:45:11 AM
I am totally up for this with one stipulation.

You can't hate on me for using lots of alara and zendikar!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 09, 2014, 10:22:18 AM
OK, that's fine!

I'm very keen not to see any infect cards from that nasty phyrexia block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 09, 2014, 02:05:14 PM
Agreed, infect feels like people bringing space marine army in fantasy... just nothing else set up to face it at all and hence brutal death.

Course the odd non-infect phyrexia card may make it in, there were a few cool ones amidst all the silly artifacts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 09, 2014, 05:14:19 PM
Hmm, the problem with this format is that there are a lot of cards to choose from. I'm going to end up making daft tribal decks like in pauper.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on January 09, 2014, 06:06:30 PM
So I been watching some magic streamers lately, and I may want to try it again. I played 10 years ago, but I was never that good. I am looking at Magic online, since I really don't want to deal with physical stuff atm (I move too much). If anyone feels like doing some skype/teamspeak with a new guy that may get into the game let me know. I know there will be cascade of new info and I figure maybe talking would be easier.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 09, 2014, 06:30:46 PM
RJ you should come play with us on GCCG. Totally free plus you'll be playing a few of us who are not that great rather than people who are seriously into it.

Hmm, the problem with this format is that there are a lot of cards to choose from. I'm going to end up making daft tribal decks like in pauper.

It does lend itself to tribal doesn't it, but I guess anything past standard does due to the deep card pool... I'll make a couple of decks and maybe we can see how silly our games are before we decide to delve further into it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on January 09, 2014, 07:18:06 PM
Sure, I just Google it. I was lucky, the second link is a type of game I am not interested atm. Let me know how you guys communicate.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 09, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
We usually communicate on here, either in this thread or by PM, right now it's me, Fin and Rufus who use it semi-regularly.

If you have any issues getting it set up, just ask, it can be a bit tricky to work out what things do!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 09, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
Ponder and Preordain are banned, woo!

For some reason so is Wild Nacatl!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 09, 2014, 08:39:27 PM
Sure, I just Google it. I was lucky, the second link is a type of game I am not interested atm. Let me know how you guys communicate.

gay classic cars?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2014, 10:03:47 AM
Ponder and Preordain are banned, woo!

For some reason so is Wild Nacatl!

Ponder/preordain are banned to stop combo decks. Nacatl is banned so aggro decks don't always have to be r/w/g.

Maybe those restrictions aren't needed without rares/mythics, but we may as well keep them for now.


I'm going to make a ghost deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Midaski on January 10, 2014, 10:09:15 AM
I'm going to make a ghost deck.

That's the spirit ..................    :engel:

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2014, 10:12:48 AM
Then a deck made entirely of evil puns.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 10, 2014, 10:30:22 AM
is my bird deck modern?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2014, 10:38:05 AM
is my bird deck modern?

No, it's legacy. Modern is anything in the new-style card frame.

You can make a modern bird deck, but you won't get things like soulcatcher's aerie or welkin hawk. You can use squadron hawk, judge's familiar, augury owl and favorable winds though.


Hmmm, stormscape familiar is in Modern, despite being in the old card frame, because it was in Time Spiral.

Gatherer has a Modern filter.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 10, 2014, 11:54:37 AM
I made a jungle deck so far. Red/green. Had white in it but found it too diluted.

I expect one of us will make a horrible human deck soon. I will try to resist.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
The nasty humans are rare though, such as champion of the parish.

I expect to see a lot of lightning bolt/path to exile/oblivion ring.


Thankfully bloodbraid elf is banned!


Ghost deck = made! I quite like the look of this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=87994&type=card)

Ghost wall that can tutor for lingering souls or drogskol captain.


Second deck idea = gelectrode!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 10, 2014, 12:43:05 PM
I hate gelectrode!

modern sounds lame.

 :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2014, 12:58:12 PM
Don't say that! I made three decks!

Ghosts, Izzet, Orzhov.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 10, 2014, 02:53:52 PM
We could have our own little ban list too if we wanted. Cards we are so bored of that we can all agree on?

I vote oblivion ring and rancor straight off the bat. Thoughts?

I know there are other cards out there that do similar but that's kinda the point, they are other cards. I forgot about rancor when i made my deck but if blatantly should have 4 of them in! Boring...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 10, 2014, 03:33:41 PM
I vote gelectrode, lingering souls, drogskol captain, and anything with a whip/



 :-P



I love o-ring a lot, it’s a good stand in for sideboards basically, as you don’t need to sideboard specific removal types. But I’m happy to give it a trial ban. Happy with rancor banned too!

I’ll try and make a deck and try and get on tonight, but not sure (I’m away tomorrow night, so my wife might actually want to see me tonight)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2014, 04:31:38 PM
I haven't used oblivion ring in the decks I've made. Orzhov deck has mortify and necrotic sliver.


I vote gelectrode, lingering souls, drogskol captain, and anything with a whip/

I hate you.

Two of the three decks I made include lingering souls! I'm obsessed by it.

Now I'm worried you both might murder me over it.  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 10, 2014, 05:29:59 PM
As lingering souls is a Rufus favourite I didn't mention it. Plus it doesn't seem like you'd want it in every deck of. A certain colour where o-ring and rancor kinda have that feel.

We might find other things as we play, but let's see...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 10, 2014, 05:34:42 PM
Both Bro's in law coming over tonight, so may well not get the chance to get on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 10, 2014, 08:00:01 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=34233&type=card)

I want to use this!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 10, 2014, 09:43:57 PM
Is it legal modern? If so, do it!

Also, I just made the weirdest deck ever...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 10, 2014, 09:50:25 PM
its not legal :(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2014, 09:56:55 PM
I'm on now.

But of course no one else is there.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 11, 2014, 12:42:33 AM
I had to meet some people about photographing their wedding I am afraid otherwise I'd have been on.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 11, 2014, 11:39:39 AM
You missed out on some grumpy games of magic then!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 11, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
I have one deck on each computer now, gonna try and make another so I have an alternative when it doesn't work!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 11, 2014, 07:20:04 PM
Also I am on now at least for a little bit. Will make those decks if no one shows up...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 12, 2014, 03:05:23 PM
I realised that the modern decks I made are too similar to the decks I usually play, so I made a new one that's a bit different.

Siby should appreciate it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 12, 2014, 03:15:40 PM
Nice! I have used all sorts of odd cards so far! Getting on now to make another deck, incase you happen to be about...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 12, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
I quite like Alara, minus the rare cards.

Bant!

More life rhinos please.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 12, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
I like alara, its cool.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 12, 2014, 10:52:51 PM
 :biggriin:

The 3rd set is a bit crazy being entirely multicoloured. Hard to see what's going on in there, but I love the first 2.


Sorry about that dashing off Rufus, I was lucky you path to exiled me at the end there cos I badly needed to leave and you gave me the mana I needed.

The potential good thing about these decks is the amount of variety I guess. Hope all kinds of stuff comes up. Already a few random cards I don't know between us.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 12, 2014, 11:01:17 PM
Doublestrike me and then run away!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 12, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
It's an even more aggro deck than I realised!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 13, 2014, 09:34:30 AM
New set previews:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/bornofthegods/cig


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/22FOAgZ8mm_EN.jpg)

You need 7 devotion instead of 5, and there's no activated ability.


Hmmm, only the five allied-colour gods are in this set. So we have to wait for the next one for all the good ones!



'Inspired'

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/ifIUxkpjsl_EN.jpg)

Like the untap creatures from Lorwyn, but without the goofy symbol.


'Tribute'

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/BXfs2Ih8NH_EN.jpg)

I really dislike that picture.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 13, 2014, 11:45:49 AM
Not overly excited by any of those yet, though lifegain always makes me a little happy...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 13, 2014, 11:55:38 AM
Well, the second two are just examples of the new mechanics in the set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 13, 2014, 01:00:30 PM
does the god need 7 blue and 7 white to be a creature?

that's how it reads.

huge devotion! did they decide the devotion number wasn't enough?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 13, 2014, 01:03:54 PM
No, just 7 in total. Of either colour. It's explained in an article on the magic site.

7 of each would be crazy!


These are minor gods, so are meant to be less powerful than the monocolour ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on January 13, 2014, 01:05:53 PM
For what I remember after some period Wizards releases a new set of cards and the old can't be used in some type of tournaments. Are these Base/core set releases or the expansion releases? wikilink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Magic:_The_Gathering_sets)

The latest is the Theros block right? Considering it just got releases it would be a good time to jump on the wagon?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 13, 2014, 01:17:53 PM
Yes, for 'standard' format magic tournaments, you can only use cards from the latest sets. These are currently:

Return to Ravnica
Gatecrash
Dragon's Maze
Magic 14
Theros

Two more Theros sets are on the way, followed by M15. All those will be in standard until next September.

So it's not a bad time to start!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 13, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
the releases are cyclical and at the same time every year, so as far as I can tell anytime is as good a time as any other to start!

It might make sense I guess just to start as one set drops out, but the ravnica set wont drop out until after all the Theros' are in (and maybe not until m15? I forget)

casual, it wont matter at all anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 13, 2014, 03:04:02 PM
It might make sense I guess just to start as one set drops out, but the ravnica set wont drop out until after all the Theros' are in (and maybe not until m15? I forget)

Ravnica and M14 will drop out in September when the next block starts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 13, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
I happen to be on right now making some random deck or the other...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 14, 2014, 12:15:47 AM
I don't know why I hate that entire second mirodin block so much, but just the sight of the cards makes me not want to play.

It's all zombie robot crabs made of mucus. I want to burn it all down.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 14, 2014, 12:27:38 AM
Sometimes you have to shut out the pictures. Even outside Mirrodin there are some ugly ugly cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 14, 2014, 09:43:49 AM
Helpful fishman
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/ivAO0BtOMY_EN.jpg)


Enchanty Hercules
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/nV1WCd9gFZ_EN.jpg)


Fairly good dragon
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/MsDuuvPu85_EN.jpg)


Minotaur god of minotaurs
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150876&stc=1&d=1389675979)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 14, 2014, 09:52:05 AM
Mogis = woohoo!

Like the other cards too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 14, 2014, 09:54:47 AM
It's a shame Mogis doesn't actually boost minotaurs!  But he's pretty good.

Surely there must be some good minotaurs in the new set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 14, 2014, 10:04:31 AM
like all of those. tappy fishman looks fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 14, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Fishman seems better the more I think about it. He can untap anything! Obviously this works well with 'inspired' creatures, or lets you accelerate your mana by untapping a land. But what about untapping Vorel to double the counters on something twice in one turn?

Combo-tastic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 14, 2014, 12:19:33 PM
The phoenix looks brutal. 4 mana and if your opponent doesn't make it a 5/5 flyer it's a 3/3 with haste that goes back in your hand when ot dies. Kinda win/win there...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 14, 2014, 12:38:48 PM
niv mizzet the firemind + that untappy dude = win.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 14, 2014, 03:30:13 PM
niv mizzet + any bunch of other random cards of no real importance = win

 :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 14, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
He’s really easy to remove, so no!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 14, 2014, 04:11:48 PM
Not against Rufus he isn't. Rufus counters and dodges everything! I had to kill something about 5 times last night to kill it and it was a 0/1!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 15, 2014, 10:53:54 AM
Rufus counters and dodges everything!

Ha ha, I like that!

Gelectrode is amazing.



Weird kraken
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/9asufo_arc1408_launch.jpg)

That's the promo version. The actual one has worse art. I wonder how you get the promo!


Also:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/PfD1COxHDV_EN.jpg)

This is probably OK in a heroic deck.


Oh, and obligatory bird-related card for Finlay:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/dYYaz1GoSS_EN.jpg)


I'm thinking Hidden Strings is as good for all these untap cards as it was for heroic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 15, 2014, 11:27:55 AM
aerie worshippers is probably amazing in sealed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 15, 2014, 03:43:33 PM
The enchantment may be beyond good. +1+1 flying is a good start but to be able to keep putting it to your hand to retrigger it and get new +1 tokens... Nice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 15, 2014, 05:24:06 PM
Helpful fishman
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/ivAO0BtOMY_EN.jpg)


can you use this boy to untap the "pay mana to summon bird" lady, even if she wasn't tapped?


The white "inspired summon tokener" guy is so much shitter than the others.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 15, 2014, 06:34:20 PM
I'm actually not that thrilled by the spoiled cards.
I have seen only one card for my EDH deck, the black/red dual land.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 15, 2014, 09:58:31 PM
can you use this boy to untap the "pay mana to summon bird" lady, even if she wasn't tapped?

While you can untap something that isn't tapped, the 'inspired' ability is only triggered if the creature becomes untapped. So it does have to be tapped first.

If you don't want to attack with it, you'll have to use some other means of tapping it. Such as Hidden Strings, or an enchantment that grants a tap ability.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 15, 2014, 11:01:28 PM
So the 1/1 body one is laughably bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 15, 2014, 11:04:11 PM
It doesn't look good, certainly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 15, 2014, 11:05:10 PM
I don't think any of them are "good" for competetive decks anyway, and then they made one randomly awful!

2 have big bodies, one evasion, one haste.


then... a pile of shite.
he should be much cheaper than them to offset it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 15, 2014, 11:09:55 PM
I think they made them for sealed and draft, mainly. Doesn't the white one make two tokens each time? So that's something, at least.

The blue one looks quite good! You can't go wrong with 2/2 fliers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 15, 2014, 11:18:13 PM
yeh i like the look of the blue one and the green one.



I keep on not playing so I can go to bed early, and then not going to bed early anyway. sigh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 16, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
They said we were animals.

They mocked our horns, and told us to go back to our fields. There we waited for the day we knew would come.

That day is here. The day of the minotaur!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/SymKWGCPCE_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 16, 2014, 10:54:27 AM
Very nice.

 I am gonna make an effort to be on tonight, does that suit you boys? Might make a theros sealed as well as modern.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 16, 2014, 01:36:22 PM
Boom! That guy will make my modern minos ping nicely!!

I'm gonna be playing a little known game called warhammer tonight I'm afraid. Maybe pulling out the dark elf filth....
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on January 16, 2014, 01:44:40 PM
tonight I'm afraid.


Don't be.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 16, 2014, 07:47:49 PM
Holy mother of ramp

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/tDdYNh3WHQ_EN.jpg)

this guy looks awesome!
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151180&d=1389890451)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 16, 2014, 10:40:36 PM
I like first strike guy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 17, 2014, 12:09:15 AM
He is so good. I think he may annoy me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2014, 12:11:23 AM
Hmmm, if both players have one... the second one overules the first?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 17, 2014, 12:12:00 AM
I would say NO FIRST STRIKE FOR ANYONE.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2014, 12:25:54 AM
I expect it will be explained on the magic site!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 17, 2014, 01:06:52 AM
Magic does a warhammer! Contradictory confusing rules. I like it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2014, 10:10:07 AM
This guy is really pushing it at three mana:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/i4NkDCksvL_EN.jpg)

Lion-o, king of the Thundercats.

3/4, and he makes free tokens? Really?  :icon_eek:


Theros was dominated by black and blue, but maybe white is about to make a comeback.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 17, 2014, 11:55:05 AM
Hmm.  Between him and first strike guy most of your board will be first strike and vigilant.

I just noticed first strike guy is also an enchantment...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 17, 2014, 12:35:10 PM
if you have brimaz and archetype of courage out on turn 4, you've won.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2014, 12:43:36 PM
+ that instant that gives white creatures protection from a colour, in case anyone tries to kill them.

Scary!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 17, 2014, 12:49:46 PM
scary but boring!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2014, 12:51:48 PM
We'll probably all play it for the first few games, then stop.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 17, 2014, 03:17:48 PM
4 soldier of pantheon,
4 brimaz
4 archetype of courage
4 hero of iroas
4 ephara's enlightenment
4 phalanx leader
4 of the “everyone gets colour protection” (I can’t find what this is called?)
2 ephara god of the polis
4 pacifisms
some more white/blue enchants
blue/whit dual lands
plains

done.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2014, 03:31:20 PM
This is the card I meant:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Brave%20the%20Elements&options=)


Don't forget a spear of heliod or two, so everyone gets +1/+1.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 17, 2014, 03:45:25 PM
and in fact the token generator I insulted looks a lot more viable if you can give him first strike, too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 17, 2014, 07:11:51 PM
I might actually get on later...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 17, 2014, 11:24:59 PM
I thought my deck was good, but it was only because it was fighting minotaurds

 :-(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 18, 2014, 12:40:31 AM
I think it just needs a few defenses against certain things probably. I always forget flying defenses too.

That's mostly how Rufus took me down in our game. He never a actually hit me for more than 1 from any source!!

Nearly pulled back in with rhino surprise but it wasn't to be. Kamakazi slivers!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 18, 2014, 12:47:05 AM
I zealously persecuted your plants!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 18, 2014, 04:22:23 AM
Thats the downside to mini tokens I guess... I did find the +1+1 token enchantment which will help with such things though...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 18, 2014, 10:31:21 AM
Yuck, I hate that enchantment.

I need to make a zendikar deck, I think. I still have no idea what was going on in that set. It's all quests and  funny monoliths.


edit: article about convincing fake cards and how they could impact magic:

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27693_Counterfeit-Cards.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 18, 2014, 01:30:46 PM
Heard about that the other day on a podcast. Guess they were already developing a new kind of card that can't be copied so easily but that it will more impact old cards?

Zendikar does have a lot of fun stuff in even if you totally ignore the eldrazis.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 18, 2014, 06:29:49 PM
It might wreck the secondary market, which would result in fewer boosters being bought by card dealers, which would massively reduce the amount of money magic makes. Or it might not be a problem! We'll see.


Meanwhile, I made some weird new modern decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 18, 2014, 06:32:03 PM
Are either of you likely to be on fairly shortly? Teds about to go to bed, but I do want to make new modern decks.

Don't want to play late cos I'm fecxking tired.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 18, 2014, 06:33:41 PM
No, I'm about to go somewhere!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 18, 2014, 06:36:20 PM
Ok, pm me if you get on later tonight


naya charm is a lot worse than bant charm.

and that upsets me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 18, 2014, 09:38:49 PM
Then use selesnya charm. That's pretty good!


Edit.

That was pretty much the perfect game of magic. Close to the end, every decision essential. I was keeping so quiet cos i didn't want fo tip my hand but you played it perfectly! Great stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 19, 2014, 12:09:14 AM
I realised in those situstuions, I shouldn't play any land I draw, to bluff you into a trick!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 19, 2014, 03:20:10 AM
Yeh i always try and hold onto a land if I draw it and just play when I get 2 in hand. Cos unless you have mana tap abilities on the table you'll never miss it being there...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 19, 2014, 11:51:03 AM
It's always good to hold onto a land or two, so you can pretend you have a spell you can play. Though I don't notice so much how many cards people have in hand on gccg.

Back in the days when people actually played land destruction (especially mass land destruction), everyone held back land just in case they got suddenly wiped out. But that's not a concern anymore.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 19, 2014, 02:06:24 PM
Hmm maybe the land kill deck is an option again with uncommons added in...!

Challenge accepted!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 19, 2014, 05:54:48 PM
Well, I meant armageddon really (destroy all lands). I don't think you'd get far with normal land destruction cards. But maybe!

I can see you on gccg now siby, but you're silent and unwelcoming!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 19, 2014, 06:03:25 PM
I'm going to be on in 30 minutes, once I've got ted in bed!

hopefully you guys will be.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 19, 2014, 08:11:51 PM
Stupid aggro alara block!


Gnome tribal is a non starter, sadly. There are only 7 gnomes in magic, and of those only the bottle gnomes are in modern.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 19, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
all the blocks are aggro rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 19, 2014, 08:56:46 PM
Some just have better cards than others though. Aggro decks in some other blocks aren't nearly that fast. Kamigamiwawa! for example.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 19, 2014, 08:58:56 PM
Sorry guys, I was deckbuilding then went to play soccer and forgot to log out. Probably stil there I guess!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 19, 2014, 09:01:07 PM
Some just have better cards than others though. Aggro decks in some other blocks aren't nearly that fast. Kamigamiwawa! for example.
i'm sort of guessing

but was kamihamiha the last one where it wasn't?

since then lorwyn, alara, zendikar, mirrodin, innistrad, rtr, theros.


aggroooooo
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 19, 2014, 10:24:23 PM
Hmmm, fair point. Lorwyn onwards is aggrotacular.

Though my zendikar deck was rubbish! I must have chosen the wrong cards.


Sorry guys, I was deckbuilding then went to play soccer and forgot to log out. Probably stil there I guess!

Disappointing!  :icon_razz:


I'm on now, with tribal snakes. I made a better zendikar deck too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2014, 09:53:46 AM
This was made for me!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/4yt5zEp7Gp_EN.jpg)

 :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on January 21, 2014, 10:00:35 AM
The fluff text originally said...I can see why this appeals to Rufus.

They had it changed because it would have been toooooooo obvious.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 10:15:10 AM
do serpents count as snakes?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2014, 10:32:29 AM
No, it refers to sea serpents. All of which are rubbish!

Go for the krakens and leviathans instead.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 10:33:41 AM
what would you use to stall until you had enough mana for them?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2014, 10:37:01 AM
Do you remember my kraken/leviathan deck? Normally I just lose before I can cast anything!

But sometimes I can high tide/frantic search one out on turn three or four. I use quest for Ulla's temple too, but that almost never works.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 10:41:53 AM
but could you make a standard one which wasn't bad? dunno!

I'm not sure how much this helps, Because if you get a couple of them out anyway you’ve probably won!

Maybe it delays time for shipbreaker kraken to monster it up or something!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on January 21, 2014, 10:48:08 AM
couldnīt you make a blue green deck to get them out....

polymorph also comes to mind.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2014, 10:52:34 AM
In standard you'd have to play blue/green, and ramp it out with axebane guardian and some walls. Untappy fishman could help there too. And use Kiora to distract people before maybe making some krakens of her own!

Too bad stormtide leviathan isn't in m14. So I think we've only got shipbreaker kraken and tromokratis.



Quote
polymorph also comes to mind.

Yes, that works nicely provided you can stack the top of your deck first! Worldly tutor.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 11:08:31 AM
Just had a quick look on gatherer at kithkin deck, pretty sure you can make a fricking insane one, with buffs, tutoring and spell cost reduction.

So I’m not going to.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2014, 11:27:32 AM
So I’m not going to.

Good! Lorwyn tribal is overwhelming unless it's played in-block.

Or against slivers or something!


Edit: hey, the red/blue scry land isn't in the new set! It's in the next one instead. Lame.


Edit edit: inexplicable Theros hatred on MTG salvation:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=583508
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 12:37:22 PM
So players think sets are crap if they aren’t full of beardy cards? Hmm, no wonder there is such power creep.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 12:44:53 PM
"I'm not a huge fan of where Magic has gone overall since the 1990s,"

didn't it start in the 1990s?

so basically, he doesn't like matgic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2014, 12:47:40 PM
And yet, there's an outcry if cards are too powerful! Such as with jace the mind sculptor and his emergency ban for being broketacular.

Theros is themetastic, and the cards seem fine to me!


Quote
"I'm not a huge fan of where Magic has gone overall since the 1990s,"

didn't it start in the 1990s?

so basically, he doesn't like matgic.

Ha ha, how ridiculous! Yes, it started in 1993 or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 12:55:39 PM
reading again, suppose he means he could have liked it up to 1999.



sometimes I'm not sure if people play magic for fun or not. There are so many formats that even if Theros didn't influence standard, it could still play a good draft/sealed game.
but apparently there are at least 3 Theros reliant current deck archetypes (which ironically, is my least favourite thing about MTG. snoregasm)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 21, 2014, 01:29:35 PM
I'm never sure what I prefer. On one hand I love very , themed decks and them fighting against each other. But on the other hand, coming across a deck that is really unusual is very cool.

I do get bored of seeing the same cards over and again which is why I am really living this modern thing. Think we should ban lightning bolt too? Kinda the red auto take. We killed green and whites. Not sure what black and blues are off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2014, 02:37:40 PM
reading again, suppose he means he could have liked it up to 1999.

Hmmm, massively uneven card design and lower-quality artwork for the first couple of years. Then a year or so where most tournament players used the same mono-black deck. Then the Urza block turned magic into a combo-fest that no one wanted to play. Hurrah for the '90s!



Quote
sometimes I'm not sure if people play magic for fun or not. There are so many formats that even if Theros didn't influence standard, it could still play a good draft/sealed game.

Why play any game if not for fun!

Theros dominates standard. I think what people on that thread were saying is that it doesn't have any snapcaster mages or delvers of secrets that also get played in legacy and modern. I don't know if that's true or not, but I don't care.



Quote from: Siberius
I'm never sure what I prefer. On one hand I love very , themed decks and them fighting against each other. But on the other hand, coming across a deck that is really unusual is very cool.

I'm not sure what you mean... can't a deck have a theme and also be unusual?

The worst decks are the ones that play the same way every time. Like how Finlay's Doran deck could produce Doran on turn three, every time, because of all the search effects. That kind of inevitability makes for a bad game.


Quote
I do get bored of seeing the same cards over and again which is why I am really living this modern thing. Think we should ban lightning bolt too? Kinda the red auto take. We killed green and whites. Not sure what black and blues are off the top of my head.

We don't need to ban anything (except infect)! I've been making decks either as tribals or as single block decks. Or ravnica guilds. I don't automatically use lightning bolt if I'm using red.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 03:09:39 PM
ive not yet made a deck which has lightning bolt- thanks for reminding me! Ha ha ha ha ha.

Ahem.

I’m planning to be on tonight with a couple of new decks.
There must be some more interesting things to do in modern like my persist+counter manipulation idea, which is really fun to use.

Doran was awesome!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2014, 03:16:28 PM
Green/blue snakes, and mono-white zendikar allies will be waiting!

With so many cards to choose from, you have to pick a theme or it becomes impossible to make a deck. You just end up staring at cards for a while before giving up.

That's what I do anyway.


Doran was awesome!

No!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 03:33:59 PM
(http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/File:Doran.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 21, 2014, 05:45:18 PM
We don't have to ban lightning bolt, but I fully expect to see absolutely loads of it. The main thing is no rancor! Silly card.

I've made a few more decks too:

Mono-green Elves
5 Colour Alara
Soldier
Zendikar Kors
A weird random black one
White Flying


Ok, I have made loads. I think the white ally deck will be really dangerous. I am thinking to try making a 4 or 5 colour one too... allies were a big favourite of mine back at the time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 07:14:43 PM
how do you mana fix the 5 colour alara?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2014, 07:20:57 PM
I feel dodgy with flanking cards.



Then I remember rufus already flanked me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 21, 2014, 07:49:15 PM
I've gone for land enchantments to mana fix rather than land search. Will have to see if it works. I may have left out one colour. Can't remember now.  Think I have a few of each basic land too.

EDIT:

Planning to be on today by the by, maybe in couple of hours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 08:32:25 AM
Do we need to ban tribal decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 09:44:29 AM
I don’t think so in general.
 Lorwyn is a problem out of block as even in common and uncommon you get a lot of buffs, even tutors and mana reducers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 10:47:44 AM
this dude uses your deck rufus!

http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/sf/283
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
Should we ban lorwyn then?

Also,I saw in that article their group does one free mull before doing regular mulls. Maybe we should do this to increase worthwhile games?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2014, 12:05:50 PM
Lorwyn is OK, but you need advance warning so you can make an appropriate match-up.

Lorwyn super-tribal is no fun against a normal deck.


this dude uses your deck rufus!

http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/sf/283

A copycat!

I think mine is better though! He's too dependent on the quest working out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 12:28:10 PM
Yeh, I’m not down with banning lorwyn. Frankly, im not sure we even need to ban o-ring. I think rancor is fine because it’s literally an auto take in any green with monsters.
Lorwyn vs slivers might be ok!


Halimar depths, a scry 3 land. That might be worth chucking 4 of into most blue decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2014, 12:33:20 PM
I was definitely still going to use oblivion ring if I wanted to!  :icon_razz:


Quote
Halimar depths, a scry 3 land. That might be worth chucking 4 of into most blue decks?

It doesn't scry - you have to put all the cards back on top of the deck. I use four in my kraken deck, but it's rarely that useful and it comes in tapped.

Scrying is why augury owl is a million times better than sage owl.



Quote from: Siby
Also,I saw in that article their group does one free mull before doing regular mulls. Maybe we should do this to increase worthwhile games?

Finlay already does that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 12:59:09 PM
free mull is only if you have 0, 1, 6 or 7 lands.
I always do it vs rufus, but not vs siby as you don't do it back and it's only fair if you both do it.

also means you shouldn't take the piss with how much land you're running.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 02:45:16 PM
So to sum up, no banning, except for lorwyn tribal which can only be used vs lorwyn tribal?

And also I need to know what Lorwyn tribal means. Eg: my elf deck had 9 non-lorwyn non-land cards. It was about 25% not lorwyn, lands aside. How much lorwyn is allowed in a deck before it becomes lorwyn tribal? Was my deck Lorwyn super-tribal?

Just need to know so I can adjust accordingly and understand what I'm doing! I never played in Lorwyn, came in halfway through Alara so it's still not fully known to me.



I'm happy to do the land issue mulls. Anything to make for a more sensible game. But do you get infinite mulls with that or just 1?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 02:58:03 PM
just 1.

I don't think you need to do anything for lorwyn apaert from say "i'm using a lorwyn-ish deck" so we don't choose a duffer!

I don't think it even matters as you can quickly play a one sided game or 2 then change.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
Ok, so how many lorwyns do I have to take out to be unlorwynish!

I don't want to only play my deck vs maybe one other deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 03:19:04 PM
I’ll make a lorwyn kithkin deck to fight it! Rufus can use slivers and probably a few others too.

 (as I said, I wouldn’t mind you using it vs me anyway, if it is more powerful it’ll just win twice quickly and we can swap)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
I quite want to play commander!

I'm going to make my actual commander decks on GCCG.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 03:45:31 PM
I’ll make a lorwyn kithkin deck to fight it! Rufus can use slivers and probably a few others too.

 (as I said, I wouldn’t mind you using it vs me anyway, if it is more powerful it’ll just win twice quickly and we can swap)

Ok, I will leave it as is.  :-)

I quite want to play commander!

I'm going to make my actual commander decks on GCCG.

I still have commander decks on there, but you may not want to play them as they aren't 'real'.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2014, 03:46:37 PM
I still have commander decks on there, but you may not want to play them as they aren't 'real'.

I have some pretty good cards in my real commander decks! So it would be fine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 03:48:06 PM
I still have commander decks on there, but you may not want to play them as they aren't 'real'.

I have some pretty good cards in my real commander decks! So it would be fine.

Just saw you had come on as I was leaving! Sorry. I had been in another window and thought I had exited but hadn't so went and did it without looking! I was just fiddling with decks anyways, guessing that was your plan too...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2014, 03:49:04 PM
Yes, I was just going to quickly make a deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 04:05:38 PM
let's do 3 way commander tonight? I can try and decide which of the precons I want to buy
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2014, 04:14:58 PM
Yes, let's!

My Niv-Mizzet deck is epic.

I've tried to theme it a bit, and I think it's on the same power level as the precons. It does have a sol ring!  ::heretic::


Edit: Actually, after looking up Niv-Mizzet commander decks on the internet, I've gone off the idea.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 05:26:25 PM
I'm up for that as long as I can get all my stuff done and it works out time wise... what time are you guys aiming for?

I have a zombie deck led by Grimgrin
An esper deck led by Dromar
A Gruul deck led by Radha
An Azzorius deck led by Grand Arbiter someone
A Naya deck led by Mayael
A white deck led by Avacyn


Preferences?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 05:33:50 PM
I thought you didn't like commander?!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 05:40:36 PM
You suggested 3 way, I assumed you meant me too  :-P

I haven't really played enough or in a real setting to know how I feel about it. The few games I have played have generally gone rapidly downhill for one person or the other. But it is supposed to be multiplayer so maybe that's been the problem...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 06:06:03 PM
I did, just surprised you've made so many decks fir a format you dont like.

Why have you gone off it rufus?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 06:17:20 PM
I made a bunch of decks before we played I think. Most of these haven't even been played I reckon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 07:23:15 PM
mind seize, Ģ54.

eternal bargain, Ģ37

evasive manuevers and power hungry, Ģ28

nature of the beast, Ģ25
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 11:00:53 PM
i wish people wouldnt watch us
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2014, 11:09:17 PM
Awkward!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2014, 11:14:04 PM
HE'S REALLY ANNOYING ME

IM SHOUTING ON THE INTERNET

RAHHH
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 01:24:49 AM
well that was fun for like an hour.

way too late for me now!

siby your deck needs rancor, behemoth sledge, armadillo cloak and unflinching courage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 01:43:06 AM
I might have those. We didn't see 60 of my cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 09:09:22 AM
I think commander should only be played in person, if at all. It takes far too long. Sorry I suggested it.

I've been cured of the desire to buy more cards though!


Also, Niv-Mizzet is a rubbish commander, since you both seem unreasonably afraid of him and try to kill him at all costs! I should have played Zegana - all she does is show up to draw a lot of cards. She doesn't need to stick around afterwards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
I really am in that place too. It's painful!

For reference though, I did have behemoth sledge, naya charm (tap all creatures), mage slayer, deadly recluse, mosstodon and o ring, all of which might have helped out a bit in some way. But on looking through my deck, it's taken from a very limited selection, 90% alara I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 10:08:48 AM
The commander you used is in one of the precon decks! Maybe you should have used that, since the precons are quite powerful and combo-tastic.


Back to proper magic:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/uAY1xlWtxE_EN.jpg)

Just when you thought white wasn't allowed this sort of card anymore... die, gods!

Green had the same card in Theros, but for 3 mana!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 12:07:17 PM
Does that override indestructible ?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 12:15:34 PM
Yes - it exiles things. Kill a god for 2 mana. Apparently it's a reprint from that set I hate.


Also, I made Zegana EDH deck, just in case we do play again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 12:34:48 PM
I enjoyed the EDH (and not just because I won, because siby did really!), albeit it was slightly too long. I would definitely play again on the computer, even though the cards being small is annoying and it does take longer as you flick onto another webpage when not your turn etc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 12:44:52 PM
Shall we try it again? I've completely changed my mind, and now I want to.  :unsure:

You guys know that the '21 damage win' rule is only combat damage, right? Niv-Mizzet can't do it with his zap ability.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 12:49:24 PM
But if you infinite zap someone, you can hit them for 40 anyway. I definitely want to try again, would be up for 1-1 tonight if siby doesn’t want to. (we both said last night we’d not come on as it makes us stay up too late, but now I want to!) If we were gonna do commander I’d say rufus pm me as soon as you’re on it so we can start just after 10 not just after 11.

if I like the prossh deck after using it a few more times, I'll buy one for belgium.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 01:03:08 PM
You can only do the looping zap thing if you get tandem lookout (which I had and could have used to win, but didn't want to because it's cheap) or curiosity. Also it's not infinite, because there are only so many cards in your deck.

I really want to cast 'enter the infinite' with muzzy in play though! That would be amazing.


If I use the RTR Niv-Mizzet instead, who doesn't combo at all, would I have more chance of winning? I think so!


OK, we'll try it again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 01:48:28 PM
are vampiric and wordly tutor considered bad EDH form?

it seems to be to be bad form to use cards banned in other formats but not in edh
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 02:58:44 PM
I'm a bit torn. I did enjoy the first part of the game even though I basically did absolutely nothing. I liked that I still had a chance to get into it and that it is in each other's interest to not just kill the weakling because that weak one may help you out later.

The issue I had was the horrific combos. The spells that just keep coming back to hand. The ability to zap almost any creature straight off the board. That's why once I got the land I didnt start casting anything for a while. I had the elven piper in my hand from the get go. I could have been slapping down godsires earlyish. But I knew Rufus would just sweep them all up.

Now I know there has to be powerful anti-stuff or a deck like mine could just stomp to the win. I dunno. That artifact seemed crazy cheap to sweep everything off the board didn't it?

I will say in fairness that its true my deck was seriously limited.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
yet siby, you almost/did really win. Rufuse’s deck is quite control tastic, (or the stuff he had out was) so as that is a bad matchup for both our decks it was within our interest to try and kill his stuff.

When I finally killed the goat trader, I thought he was going to capsize it back, but he didn’t have enough mana for buyback, so I thought all I was doing to do was remove capsize. Then it would have needed to be killed again by one of us. My deck is limited for arti removal, so certainly if it was 1 vs 1 I think rufus could have stalled the board almost indefinitely! It definitely encourages a somewhat less aggro approach which is basically what standard has been for ages.

What’s your opinion on the infinite combo thing? I don’t mind them as I think you need the ability for some games to end quicker.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 03:22:04 PM
Well I guess my question is how fast can it come to be? I did have that auto win card, but it would take forever to come into effect as non of my stuff was starting with more than 9 life.

I wonder if I would do better with a revamped version. Some evasion to let my big guys swing, maybe with some double strike effects could make it much more scary. Also more ramp needed apparently!

Looking at the cards I think the premise was 5power creatures with stuff that comboed off that. But most of the combo stuff is not that great. I would be better taking it out for more sneak and kill cards.

Playing against blue decks can be painful though. Knowing that I can put all my effort into casting my stuff for Rufus just to counter it over and over was painful! And then if he couldn't counter it, just bounce it instead! But hey, that's blue eh :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 03:31:15 PM
I will cry no tears for big creatures that get countered, or pulled into a doom disc by tentacles. Deal with it!

Why is using things like elvish piper to cheat in a creature ok, but countering is evil?


Quote from: Siberius
The issue I had was the horrific combos.

So, Finlay's deck then.  :icon_razz:


are vampiric and wordly tutor considered bad EDH form?

I like tutors and think they are fine!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 03:53:45 PM
I checked a forum last night and they said games on average last 30 minutes per player, but with a high power level of decks it can be quicker, and range from 15 minutes-3 hours. I do think you’ll struggle winning fast with a creature based deck though, most of the fast wins will be infinite combos.

Don’t insult my deck rufus! It’s straight from a precon and according to the prices, the 2nd worst one! (I do want to change it a bit now though!)

Countering doesn’t annoy me as much in EDH as standard. More creatures, longer games, more answers, plus always getting your general back. Although I don’t think it was the disk itself which annoyed siby, but maybe the recurring disk combo. Maybe next game goat shop is at the bottom and never comes out!


You said you made an almost entirely alara deck? It’s bound to not have the same level of different and powerful interactions and combos.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 04:03:54 PM
Don’t insult my deck rufus! It’s straight from a precon and according to the prices, the 2nd worst one! (I do want to change it a bit now though!)

The prices are based on how much people want some of the cards in the deck, not on how good a deck it is. People want things like true name nemesis, baleful strix, and unexpectedly absent.


One of the other precons uses the disc, by the way.


p.s. there are two different counterspells that send the countered card to the bottom of the deck. Yes, even the commander. If I was really evil I'd have used those!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 04:11:06 PM
 disk, not as bad as infinite disks! But as I said your control isn’t as annoying to me in edh as a normal game. Boardsweeps I think are an inevitability of an edh game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 04:14:12 PM
It was infinite board sweep, counter, bounce and burn spells that seemed a bit insane. Without the buyback it was no problem. But probably in a creature deck I should be ramping so fast that you can't counter everything I am putting down or something. I admit my deck was rather rubbish!

My elf piper is great but it is a 1/1 with no protection. You guys had a tonne of easy ways to remove it. 1/1s don't last long in EDH if people don't want them too. Especially with all the sac to kill and atk to burn things going on.


I perhaps should check the zombie deck I have on there. They have some infinite properties too so that might help me feel better! The naya deck just runs out of steam fast. EDH seems to require the ability to get more stuff from places other than out of your hand.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 04:20:29 PM
rufus didnt have infinite counter, and the buyback burn was only for 3 damage.

and as much as you're saying it was bad and you struggled, you won!

If you hadn’t been land screwed early you would have been putting aggro pressure on us earlier.Yes, that’s probably true. There are a load of green cheats to get creatures though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 04:23:36 PM
Yes, unreasonable complaints! I refuse to listen.  :icon_razz:

Moan moan moan... oh, I won.


It turns out there were another five commander precons, from before the current ones. And of course you can import the decklists on GCCG. I think I'll use one of those next time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 04:29:43 PM
Moan moan moan... oh, I won.
rufus?

have you got a link to those decks rufels?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 04:34:14 PM
Huh!


Yes:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/732


I actually don't like it if the deck is built around the commander. I prefer it if the deck works on its own, and the commander is just there if you want to use them.

I quite like not ever using the commander!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 04:54:13 PM
Does it bug you when other people have commander centric decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 04:56:22 PM
No! You're supposed to, really.

But because you're supposed to, I don't want to.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 05:31:24 PM
Mine was supposed to be integral to my deck, but she is too small, easy to burn. Maybe that is why I didn't have much ramp, I figured she could keep popping out and casting my creatures.

Didn't rufus have a buybackable counter?

Yes, unreasonable complaints! I refuse to listen.  :icon_razz:

Moan moan moan... oh, I won.

Let's be honest, I only 'won' because of a few things. Rufus deciding to stop stalling the board. My total lack of threat which meant no one bothered to kill me. And Fin telling me I should atk when I had already passed him the turn. I submarined big style!



This should be my general. Then we would have all had dragons!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=209118&type=card)

To be honest, looking at the Naya legends, non of them are that exciting. At least this guy is kinda cool.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 05:43:43 PM

Iirc he had one which you buyback for discarding 2 cards, and he only got to use it twice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 05:56:23 PM
So not entirely infinite! I guess against 2 players he could only do it so many times before becoming depleted.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 06:01:45 PM
and you have to force him to use it when he doesnt have the mana to buy it back.

but yeh, tough match up for our decks if he hadnt decided not to carry on doing it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 06:07:59 PM
now we're looking at commander, I hope I can find my thespians stage. I'm sure Ted crumpled it up :(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 06:14:02 PM
Just found on my other name that I have one EDH deck. It's Selesnya and has a few commander choices... think it might be better than the other one! But potential problems to board sweep again.

But if we do more commander I might take it. I may come on and make it a 3 player tonight with this deck if you guys are cool with that. I should give it one more chance...

It's weird, I have no recollection of making this deck but it has Heliod in it so it can't be old at all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 08:15:54 PM
siby arrived then left!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 08:37:11 PM
I'll be back. Had to walk the dogs and eat dinner
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 10:41:44 PM
One of that cycle of dragons is called Trevor.

Well, Treva.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=209121&type=card)

I want a dragon named Trevor.



Also, that was the worst magic game ever.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 23, 2014, 11:16:09 PM
It certainly competed with last night. I said last night I would never play EDH again. Then I did. Then I realised why I said what I said.

It's like it's almost too random. And too long, even for a quick game! At least in normal mode if a game goes bad fast it is fast. And the thought of playing again isn't soul destroying. Usually.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 23, 2014, 11:50:21 PM
for me, normal makes me well more cross. dunno why
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 23, 2014, 11:59:04 PM
Fifty million lorwyn elves on turn three makes me cross!  :icon_razz:

Edit: 1 vs 1 commander was OK!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 24, 2014, 01:19:01 AM
Precon black/white/green commander deck = so much better than the decks I made myself!  :icon_sad:

I enjoyed those games though! Because I won? I hope not!


Also... skullclamp is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 24, 2014, 01:32:51 AM
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/af17


I enjoyed the first one but not the second as being mana screwed is annoying, especially when you have answers in hand.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 24, 2014, 01:41:17 AM
baleful strix is modern illegal, apparently.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 24, 2014, 01:46:08 AM
I enjoyed the second game!  ::heretic::

I think I've read that skullclamp article before. It really is an absurd card. But I suppose not as unfair in commander.


baleful strix is modern illegal, apparently.

Oh, that's right - it was never printed in a real set. Only in planechase and commander. So it can only be used in legacy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 24, 2014, 09:59:41 AM
Full card spoiler for BNG!

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/bornofthegods/cig

Badger!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/VkUY48IGj5_EN.jpg)


This is handy for commander, to go with the other two deathtouch equipments.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/oCHmNpFk3B_EN.jpg)


And this is amusing:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/xbNjecKm8C_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 24, 2014, 11:11:14 AM
It certainly competed with last night. I said last night I would never play EDH again. Then I did. Then I realised why I said what I said.

It's like it's almost too random. And too long, even for a quick game! At least in normal mode if a game goes bad fast it is fast. And the thought of playing again isn't soul destroying. Usually.

The only time it ever annoys me is down to mana screw, which is annoying as the games take a while to end even so. Last night me and rufus took 45 minutes and I drew no red until my very last turn- one turn too late to save me!

I love the randomness. Doran and the goblins are fun to beat face with a few times, but knowing almost what the deck will do everytime is boring.
I love the longer clock, and knowing your deck almost certainly has answers in it… you just have to draw them.

in standard, if I haven’t put in enough arti or enchant hate, or say flying defense, and someone plays apowerful arti, enchant or flying creatures, I know I’ve lost.

Modern game against rufuses ghosts, I’d lost before we even started as I had no way of dealing with loads of flying 1/1s.

Last night rufus gets 4 faeries out and I think crap- next card I draw allows me to do x damage to all flyers.

And even when he was beating me with his artifacts and enchants, I knew I needed to draw red to use what I had in hand, or draw green arti hate which there is some in my deck.

I find it way less soul destroying than standard, and it never makes me get cross which standard/normal games do sometimes!


But hey, the world would be boring if we all liked the same stuff.



rufus- i'll get that gorgon head for my gobo sharpshooter!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 24, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
People didnt seem to like my token deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 24, 2014, 12:05:46 PM
Rufus should have been capsize-buybacking your tokens during his turn to slow it down and give us both time to find answers- he chose not to. Furthermore, he then chose to kill me and prossh, when I was about to get blockers, blood artist purphoros on board.

I still wasn’t annoyed after the game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 24, 2014, 01:51:14 PM

The thing with modern is this. Playing no sideboards we should be building rounded decks that can deal with a bit of anything. But we choose not to. It's our fault. There should be arti/enchant kill, flyer answers, creature removal. If we don't take that, can we really claim that it doesn't work well?

Beyond that, we really should use sideboards because they allow more themed decks without being totally vulnerable to certain things. I understand the can't be bothered thing, but these are the reasons we have issues with the format.

Commander is more forgiving cos you get longer to get your deck going. But it takes a lot longer and can get a bit boring if nothing is happening for long periods.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 24, 2014, 01:55:28 PM
Not only are answers for everything impossible to fit into certain colour combos, they are also impossible to fit unto 60 cards.

Sideboards is meant to alleviate this, but not only is it a pain to implement, it also locks you into best of three for that match up, which we rarely do.


but siby- if you don't like it, you don't like it and there's no point playing it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 24, 2014, 02:41:06 PM
Ok, I should be less specific. Most colours have answers to most things.

Everyone has answer to flying.
Green has answers to everything. (for creature kill you have deathtouch/fight mechanics)
White has answers to everything.
Black can force discarding of anything so has answers to everything.
Blue has counter and bounce so has answers to everything.
Red can't easily deal with enchantments but can deal with anything else.

I do understand that sideboards require multiple games and more effort so I understand why we don't use them. But I don't agree that you can't fit in answers to at least the most common issues (hard to kill creatures, flying, enchantments, artifacts) in a 60 card deck. It's really a case of not wanting to because it cuts down on other things. But that's a choice you make to make your deck more themey and theme decks often have amazing strengths and horrific weaknesses. It is their nature. And if you use one, there may be consequences.


In other news, win %s:

Rufus: 56.9
Siby: 44.4
Fin: 37.9

So Rufus is still by far and away top of the win pile!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 25, 2014, 01:37:18 AM
We'll be able to do born of the gods sealed soon! Probably by next week.

That will be a change!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2014, 01:53:12 AM
So tonight's edh I had no real problem with. I was doomed but that's ok. I accepted that. I threw in the towel because my wife got home and even without flickerooze I had no way back into the game. I had some ok cards in my deck but I had mostly got them out and killed already!

Magic in general. I dunno. I guess I feel a bit at a loss of how to build decks that tick all the boxes. There are so many factors that go into it. I like to make theme decks but maybe I should avoid that and take a bit of a hodgepodge. I am genuinelly not sure. In the grand scheme of things I guess it is only a game and not very important. But I don't want to make things that people hate. In warhammer I tend to avoid that like my anti demigryph/steamtank/warlocks stance. But on magic it seems like there is a harsher surve on non-competetive cards/decks because there is so much less wiggle room in game.

That's where I am at. Sometimes I enjoy it, sometimes I wonder why I am playing it. But I do like it in theory. Edh seems to produce more close games, but that is a blessing and a curse. I wonder how long that game wouls have gone tonight without us stopping it. I am guessing at least another hour! Maybe more.

Not really coming to any conclusions here. Just rambling!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 25, 2014, 01:59:37 AM
don't play for a week or so then start again.

I always find myself saying "im not gonna play tonight" in the morning, then come 8 pm im thinking "damn, could go for some magic right now"


here's an article http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ct/273

don't make your deck too good, don't make it too bad.
Which is very very hard to do!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 25, 2014, 02:09:47 AM
Land destruction is bad, because it locks the other person out of the game. Counterspells are the same (though not quite as dispiriting). That's why both have been made weaker in more recent card sets. They don't make for an interactive game.

I was upset because I knew my deck was rubbish, but I really wanted to get the full set of Urza lands going. And then you turned out to be playing land destruction! My hopes were crushed.


Anyway. Turning a god into gold would be quite amusing.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/vDfoa3Y3AS_EN.jpg)

4 mana sorcery though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2014, 03:27:21 AM
Ok, that article has me inspired and I gave me a thought.

All the EDH decks we have been playing are a bit combotastic. Too much comboing can kill things rather. The article talked about how it is supposed to be fun. So, I have a suggestion.

Why don't we each make a 2 colour EDH deck made with absolutely no combo or theme in mind. The idea is to pick cards that appeal to us. Either for their art, name, a cool rule, fond memories, whatever. If you feel yourself thinking hmm, my deck is mostly human, I'll stick in Mass Appeal, you need to fight that urge. That's not to say that there can't be some rare, mythics, whatever in there. But hopefully they will not make up the whole deck. It will give a chance to use some stuff you always though looked cool but never would take because it didn't fit your theme or whatnot. And there should be a sprinkling of everything. The deck stat checker will help there.

And then we will pick a non-powerhouse commander, who the other players think is reasonable, to lead our decks.

I really think it could make for much more fun games. And if someone accidentally seems to have a way more broken deck, they can adjust it as needed. If this all works, and we play it a few times, maybe we could do the same with 3 colour decks or whatnot.

What do you guys think? Some fun easygoing magic?


I had wondered about going green/white for my colours and this seems the least offensive commander. I dunno if she is too inoffensive though...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=109764&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 25, 2014, 10:04:11 AM
So two-colour legends, but no one too good.

Do we have to use one of the ones from Legends that doesn't do anything?


Ah, I know:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=201310&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2014, 01:28:48 PM
I mean, I don't mind too much if they are a little more powerful, as long as they are all around the same level and preferably nothing kinda board altering like someone who can control the whole board by themself!

Does this all seem ok? I really think it might be fun.

And it didn't mean we can't bring a few board sweeps and whatnot to keep things down, just trying to steer clear of obvious combos and such...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 25, 2014, 03:07:27 PM
OK, I've made a deck to your specifications!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2014, 03:09:23 PM
Nice! I am looking forward to making mine. Will be fun not to be thinking 'so how will this fit into my deck' when I make it!

Edit:

Sorry Rufus, duty calls, but that was shaping up interestingly...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 25, 2014, 05:45:07 PM
Sorry Rufus, duty calls, but that was shaping up interestingly...


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=376563&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 25, 2014, 06:12:49 PM
I think a large part of the fun of edh is interesting interactions.

And I think this will be just going too far casual.
I M not sure how to make a totally not coneccted deck!

But I will try it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 25, 2014, 06:13:54 PM
Oh, are we allowed the mama staples, or only basic lands?


I'll be on quite soon, and then around 10.

i hate those goldy-shimmery borders. they offend me! ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2014, 07:38:21 PM
The theory is that you pick cards you like, not because they interact amazingly, not because they are all rare, not because they are super efficient, but because they appeal to you for whatever reason. There are a load of cards that aren't that themed or have weird mechanics that only work every now and again so aren't really worth it.

I mostly went with art that I liked!  :-P But I tried to steer clear of filling my deck with rares and mythics, though some obviously made it in.

I figure put what land in you like really. I took a bunch, some of them good, some of them rubbish!

I think the deck will feel somewhat connected just by the fact that it is only in 2 colours and that you will lean more heavily towards liking certain things so it won't be entirely devoid of meaning.

Outside of land I only seem to have 6 rare cards! Thought I had more but I guess not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 25, 2014, 07:43:35 PM
I don't know enough cards to do that though, really.
Only started at end of innistrad block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 25, 2014, 07:45:27 PM


I want to use a bird general, but the only dual coloured one is pretty good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2014, 07:50:15 PM
Why do you need to know cards? I just flipped through my collection and hovered over stuff that looked cool and if it wasn't too broken took it. Most of the stuff I have is outside my knowledge base. Though I didn't go back further than modern cos I don't like the look and readability of the cards. I would get one or two cards from each set and move on. Easy!

Didn't take too long to put a deck together like that either. And once you have one and have played a game or so with it and find something is way too good or insanely bad, you can switch it out no problem.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 25, 2014, 08:05:35 PM
oh, so it's cards we arbitrarily like, not cards we actually like!

making it now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 25, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=201224

too good?

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=25977

too good?

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=185811

too good?

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=370420

too good?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2014, 08:53:49 PM
Augustin looks crazy good but the rest seem cool. Couldn't really make heads or tails of Rasputin.

He seems a bit like a planeswalker!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 25, 2014, 09:44:00 PM
i've added loads of birds, avoiding the ones i thought looked too good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 25, 2014, 09:59:51 PM
I just made a deck on the other computer so I can play either way. It's black/green and I ran across this guy as a potential general:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=109759&type=card)

Having just looked through the others, he seems the least powerful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 26, 2014, 11:17:00 AM
I'm on now for a bit!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 27, 2014, 11:40:14 AM
Remember this guy?

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/bng/KDJ)D(jk2m2389/Z2zVHU0rFN_EN.jpg)

We wondered what happened if both players had one. Well, according to the wizards site:

Quote
If you and an opponent each control the same Archetype, no creature controlled by any player will have the appropriate ability.

So now we know!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 27, 2014, 01:37:14 PM
So he just becomes a 2/2 for 3? Hehe

I kinda hate him already even though he fits in one of my favourite deck types (white soldier). He just seems annoyingly good. Bit like vampire nighthawk. Part of you is like wow, I must take this! The other part is going to be feeling bad for doing so.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 27, 2014, 02:26:30 PM
I wonder if they’ll make it into the b/w aggro humans tourney winning deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 27, 2014, 03:06:58 PM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/satyrfiredancer.jpg)

Well this guy just goes right into Rufus's izzet deck next to Guttersnipe no?


(http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/acolytesreward.jpg)

I like this. Protection and built in burn for cheap...


(http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/forgestokerdragon.jpg)

Disappointing art.


(http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/griffindreamfinder.jpg)

Another must take in the useless griffon deck!


(http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/krakenofthestraits.jpg)

Near unblockable 6/6 and it's a kraken... are you salivating Rufus?


(http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/bileblight.jpg)

I see this card getting a lot of use in the future...


(http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/brimazkingoforeskos.jpg)

Um...


(http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/chromanticore.jpg)

Silliest card ever?



So as far as I can tell, most of the set looks reasonable, but the multicoloured cards are insanely good. Also, the tribute ones are mostly very nice. Looking forward to drafting it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 27, 2014, 07:13:07 PM
this card's in the proshh deck, but i dont like it.

am I missing something?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=376556&type=card)


firedancer is good, but does rufuses deck have much burn in it? maybe run 2! i really like acolyte's reward too.

dragon looks pretty good as it's super handy to zap annoying 1/1s with abilities, ie blood artist. (although ni know he isnt standard.)

bile blight looks ace. super charged electrickery for token hate at a minimum is handy.  I also really like drown in sorrow, which is -2 to everyone and scry 2. have to try and get some of them into kitchen finks!

we already pointed brimaz out as bent, in my "mono white aggro deck" I "made" a while back...

and i think chromanticore looks awesome for EDH. he was even better when they were first designing him. I do think his bestow cost is maybe 2 mana too cheap, normally bestow is overcosted to compensate for getting the creature, but it looks too cheap, and in fact it might be better to bestow something quote big already than cast the chromanticore anyway.
I think he's a fun card.


might well want this in prossh deck, for late game grave abuse, sacing tokens to bring back annoying creatures.
(http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150954&d=1389762233)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 27, 2014, 07:31:25 PM
imagine if GW's website was as good as MTGs

4 daily hobby articles worth reading, for free.

holy shit.

MTG > GW so much it's not even funny.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 27, 2014, 09:04:03 PM
I love the art on big skeleton. And the fact that he is a big skeleton!

I'm on now by the by.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 27, 2014, 11:13:54 PM
we're on but now you're gone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 28, 2014, 01:47:57 AM
Me and Rufus managed to fit about 6 games in a 20 minute period. Mostly short and brutal.

Elves are now only gonna come out to see if other decks are broken.


I guess maybe tooth and claw is just another, albeit not very efficient, sac mechanic?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 28, 2014, 07:53:49 AM
Onw thing it rarely lacks is sac mechanic.
I guess in very certain situations, like if I had fecundity out and a way to attack with my tokens unblock ably

Not that that's happened.

Twenty minutes! What decks were you using.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 28, 2014, 09:33:15 AM
Rufus trampled me with slivers.
I brought out my exalted deck and won a couple against the slivers who got mana screwed.
Then Rufus got the black sac deck and won three games in a row, the last against my elf deck!

I think what makes that deck strong, on thinking about it, is that it is aggro enough that against non creature decks it will just swing at you, but it has removal that helps its goal whilst when its own stuff dies it is totally happy. I'm honestly not sure where you can hit it. The elves are brutal but if you can remove the ring leaders you can block them up. Course it probably takes a deck like Rufus's to be able to do it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 28, 2014, 09:41:06 AM
Don’t think he’s used that deck on me yet. The slivers are bad enough.

Commander games were fine last night, apart from our first when I threw a blood artist tantrum!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 28, 2014, 09:46:04 AM
The black deck has blood artist too.  :-P

Yeh i thought the slivers were crazy but I think they are a win big or get manascrewed sort of deck. Having tried 3 colours all over the place I can sympathise with that problem!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 28, 2014, 11:59:06 PM
it is ok to say "no, let's play a different format" you know...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 28, 2014, 11:59:53 PM
Hey, what happened? You've both gone. Did the game end?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
innistrad sealed tomorrow, 2 inn, 2 ava and 2 da
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 12:24:57 AM
innistrad sealed tomorrow, 2 inn, 2 ava and 2 da

I got two mythics. But not enough red cards to use one of them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2014, 12:33:38 AM
I got a green mythic I want to use with Prossh!

some elemental who turns all my creatures into 6/6 tokens.

hello 6/6 kobolds!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 12:40:26 AM
It's funny how everything goes with prosh!

I got a red dragon that boosts all your creatures, and Bruna, angel of really liking enchantments. Then so many white cards I can practically go single-colour.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 29, 2014, 12:41:50 AM
I must admit I don't really understand Edh. I guess at least we played it properly and hurt the right people till we got down to the end. Is it just too long a format though? Sounds like Rufus got bored and to be honest I kinda lost the will part way through too.

Some sealed might be good. Constructed takes a lot of work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 12:52:40 AM
I think commander is fun if you like your deck. I like my Niv-Mizzet and Fungus Guy ones.

It's not always that slow either. Fin and I played five games the other night.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 29, 2014, 02:13:36 AM
Maybe it's the 3 player thing. For most of that game you were way ahead and almost untouchable but with two of us looking for an answer eventually things even out. And maybe it doesn't help that your turn comes round so infrequently.

Maybe I will make one more deck and try it out with you at some point. Maybe the 3 player thing just doesnt work online...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 10:14:12 AM
Yes, it might be the three-player thing!

I wasn't ahead - I stalled and couldn't do anything. With a proper deck I might have been able to draw some cards!



I don't think I'd use that centaur you posted in my izzet deck, since I don't use many burn spells that can target players. But it would be good in a dedicated burn deck, probably.

I want to like the kraken, but the art isn't quite right!


Quote
this card's in the proshh deck, but i dont like it.

I suppose it's to turn six kobolds into three beasts.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: MrDWhitey on January 29, 2014, 10:40:55 AM
I heard that Finlay took rufus over the table recently....



 :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2014, 11:29:40 AM
Anything good in gbr… which is quite a lot of cards!

I think it doesn’t work online. Tiny cards, cards being played off the board, too long a wait without interaction between turns

If it was in person we’re chatting, joking and drinking beer/soda/tea in between. Also means no waiting in between turns while the other person tabs back from gatherer, or whatever!

Right, if you’d drawn creatures or kill spells we’d have both died. I didn’t find enchant hate till I cast that huge blue sun!

I’ve still enjoyed most of the commander games I’ve played, though.





For some reason I presume it was a sorcery. As an enchantment it’s much more attractive! Block with kobolds then sac them into beasts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 29, 2014, 11:44:15 AM
Well you were ahead in that you were able to attack us every turn and had twice as much health. But yeh I guess you didn't have any real strength to push through.

I dont tend to go back and forth between tabs during games incase I miss anything which I suppose explains why its more noticable to me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 12:38:56 PM
I might use this for izzet:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378484&type=card)

Scry!


I also quite like this card.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378428&type=card)


The new cards are on gatherer now, so GCCG should have them soon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2014, 01:03:45 PM
he's cool, would be good if he could block multiple stuff without paying 5 mana though!

still, block and bounce whatever for 1 mana is good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 01:07:42 PM
You can use him to shuffle away commanders in EDH, due to the weird rules exception that doesn't let them go back to the command zone if they would be put into the deck.

Attack, make prosh block, shuffle! Lame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2014, 01:10:32 PM
why is that lame?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 01:22:21 PM
It's just weird that shuffle effects are more powerful against commanders than exile ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2014, 01:51:11 PM
just bought my sealeds for tonight, I got the same mythic that i wanted to use yesterday! better have enough green...

which of course I didnt
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 03:09:51 PM
Is it essence of the wild? Triple green casting cost!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2014, 03:23:52 PM
yes but i couldnt use it, not enough green creatures!

genuinely do think it'd be sick in prossh, though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
But since it makes all creatures you control come into play as a copy of essence of the wild, Prossh would be one too and wouldn't make any kobolds.

So that's a bit limiting. Also, detention sphere would exile all your creatures!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 29, 2014, 03:47:04 PM
Ok, so I just made a new EDH deck for potential 2 players. I hope it isn't frowned upon. Is there anything we are frowning upon outside of Lorwyn tribals in EDH?

My general is:

(http://99edhproblems.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/anowon-the-ruin-sage.jpg%3Fw%3D490)

(Probably)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2014, 03:50:49 PM
Lorwyn tribals are not frowned upon in EDH.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 03:52:32 PM
Infect is not allowed! But anything else is probably fine.

Vampire man is ok, but do you really want to play mono-black?  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 29, 2014, 03:59:18 PM
I do!

Is that bad?

Main issue I see is lack of non-creature removal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 29, 2014, 04:05:22 PM
It just seems a bit boring (for you). Though at least you wouldn't have to worry about finding the right colour lands to cast your spells!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 29, 2014, 04:09:47 PM
Exactly!

And I have been having issues with land lately so maybe one colour will work for me!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: MrDWhitey on January 29, 2014, 06:28:11 PM
If it was in person we’re chatting, joking and drinking beer/soda/tea in between. Also means no waiting in between turns while the other person tabs back from gatherer, or whatever!

Play with a skype call.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 29, 2014, 07:19:40 PM
That's actuislky a pretty good idea.

I'm just watching a random t2 game on it, one of the guys is playing on his laptop in a lecture.

I STRONGLY DISAPPROVE!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2014, 08:25:46 AM
Are we doing anything goes standard for bng?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2014, 12:52:28 PM
Are we doing anything goes standard for bng?

I think we should.

Maybe do sealed first though.


Also, surely we'll all play white decks with Cat Boss in them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
What's the normal format for sealed? I know in drafts you tend to do something like 2 packs of the first set and one of the second. In sealed do you just do all 3 of set 2?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2014, 02:06:15 PM
Either three of each, or 4 theros and 2 bng.


No, I'm deliberately not gonna use catboy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2014, 02:20:36 PM
We could do 6 of BNG, to maximise the newness. But if that's not a good idea, then I think 3 of each.


No boosters on GCCG yet!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2014, 02:31:48 PM
Was just gonna say, we cant do sealed if no boosters!
I’m going to try and make a range of standard ones.
Might not play tonight though, went to bed at 1.30 and ted was up at 6.30 :(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2014, 03:14:29 PM
Yes, you should probably either not play or not play too late!


I quite want to make a deck with Kiora, but we don't normally like planeswalkers.  :unsure:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2014, 03:18:28 PM
I’ll make an Elspeth deck, then you won’t feel too bad about using orange juice lady
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2014, 03:24:44 PM
...but I'll lose every game.

Maybe we should keep the planeswalkers out of it! I don't want to play Elspeth.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2014, 03:26:21 PM
That was a joke, I am aware that Elspeth is one of the best cards in standard, and a tourney level finisher!

I will look at some others and see if there is a slightly cruddier one to match kia-ora? If not use her anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2014, 03:44:38 PM
Ha, I thought you were serious!

I'd like to make a sea monster theme deck, using Kiora. I'm not sure who an equivalent power-level planeswalker would be... maybe the green/black one from ravnica?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2014, 04:44:23 PM
Playing with planeswalkers?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366418&type=card)




EDIT

Also, this guy goes right in my (currently non-existant) standard wall deck I think!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378509&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2014, 05:00:11 PM
I don't see the connection.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2014, 05:07:22 PM
he finds playing planeswalkers a grind due to confusing/odd abilities, keeping track of stuff?

I just looked for the least good planeswakler, but they're all sort of game dominating.
How do they not dominate totally? can people choose to target them with creatures? i think yes
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2014, 05:21:52 PM
Yes they can. But they still dominate.

Yeh my mind is just grinding at the 180.  :-P All of the planeswalker hate for so long...

But hey, why not try it and see how it goes. Maybe you will get fed up of it even using it due to the pain in the butt of it's mechanics. Or maybe you will be converted to planeswalkers. Or maybe somewhere inbetween.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2014, 06:31:10 PM
I think it's a special situation for kiora, whjos so Rufus specific!

If there was a super bird one I'd expect to at least be allowed to trey it!


Wouldn't rwant to use them all the time though.

Are emblems indestructible?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2014, 06:42:53 PM
The Emblem thing started after I stopped playing real magic so I'm not sure!

As I only drafted too I haven't really played them much anyways.


EDIT

BNG boosters are up now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
bng boosters are up!

im planning to make a 3-3 sealed deck, and some standard. hopefully you can be on near to ten rufus? and vaskel earliere?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2014, 07:03:02 PM
Hehe, you didn't see the last part of my last post eh,  :-P

I will try and get on but I can't make much in the way of guarantees. Depends on how things pan out...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 30, 2014, 07:06:08 PM
no worries, i'm knackered anyway and certainly want to stop by midnight our time at the absolute latest!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 30, 2014, 11:26:22 PM
I think it's a special situation for kiora, whjos so Rufus specific!

Yes! She seduced me with her squidy ways.


Emblems can't be removed once you have one. You can indeed attack planeswalkers with creatures, and you can also hit them with any spell or effect that would damage a player (burn spells, guttersnipe damage, that kind of thing).


edit: good sealed games so far!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 30, 2014, 11:47:36 PM
That last game was pretty epic fin. Pity the first 2 were both messed up by mana screw, seems like our decks were maybe fairly even. Mine was really aggro and had a couple of handy tricks where yours was more able to react and counter strike.

Was gutted that I never got Perpheros or the dragon out though. They were my real bombs. I had to rely on common giant and the traitor card to do most of my heavy lifting.

Looking forward to more drafting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2014, 12:09:45 AM
White is so good in this sealed environment! Amazing creatures and removal. Hope for white when you open your pretend boosters!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2014, 12:18:15 AM
good games for the most part!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2014, 12:20:41 AM
Fun, and not frustrating at all. Successful!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2014, 08:40:27 AM
Feels like white has been right up there for a while now. At least from Innistrad onwards.

I actually never even looked at my colours other than red and black. I had the three amazing rates in red and then the bla k red mino guy. I was sold! Not normally how I do things but it all seemed to fit together beautifully!

What did you run Rufus?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2014, 09:40:13 AM
RW. We played 4 games, 2 were close and we split those, and rufus won the other 2 not that close.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2014, 10:10:13 AM
Finlay was on 8 life, and I could only do 7 damage before losing the next turn. So close!

Red and white had the best cards in my pretend boosters. Two archetypes of courage! Hundred-handed one! Magma jet and several white kill spells!  ::heretic::

That spell that exiles enchantments or artifacts is great, because it also hits all the enchantment creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2014, 12:21:58 PM
I had saome good red creatures. But all of my white ones were heroic (3 mana 2/2 fflying heroic? Love that card), and not enough red heroic-activation.

Plus beard sphinx is blue.


Hey, would heroic trigger evolve? I think not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2014, 12:30:20 PM
Heroic is a bit like populate. It sounds great, but it dictates your deck construction too much, and it often doesn't come together.

Beard sphinx is amazing though!


Hey, would heroic trigger evolve? I think not.

No.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2014, 12:37:48 PM
I think in some cases that is true, if you’re shoe horning heroic in with not enough enchants or something. But think it worked pretty well yesterday
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
I had 2 grey merchants but didn't use them as I had only splashed black really.

Slightly sad I didn't put chromanticore in now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2014, 02:25:35 PM
Slightly sad I didn't put chromanticore in now!

In sealed?  :Ohmy:

That would have been a bold move.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2014, 02:29:03 PM
Especially as I wasn't in green! But here's why I toyed with it. I was already in 2 colours and I had 2 glimmerpoint stays. Even one of those guys coming out would mean I only needed to find one more land which I would probably do by accident before that. In our last game I got both my stags out!

Maybe I should have ignored the black and looked into green... Hindsight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2014, 02:33:14 PM
I had 2 glimmerpoint stays

I looked that up, saw that it was a nasty mirodin card, and reflexively closed the page. Do you mean Burnished Hart? He's the robot stag that searches land.

It would be amazing if the chromanticore actually got into play, but I think it's extremely unlikely to happen. Most of the time it would sit in your hand mocking you. But you could make a new deck with the same pool of cards and try it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 31, 2014, 04:20:21 PM
You are right! They look kinda similar to me so i always get them confused!

Maybe I will...!


EDIT

Was able to see the cards still so I morphed my deck some. Not sure if it is better or not. Maybe a bit!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2014, 10:15:47 PM
made 3 standard decks, 1 is definitely shit, 1 might be shit, and 1 might be quite good.

but going to bed now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 31, 2014, 10:19:41 PM
Oh, I've just gone on there.   :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 31, 2014, 10:28:46 PM
Twenty minutes too late! PC is off and I'm in bed now. Sorry.

Tomorrow!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 01, 2014, 02:43:02 PM
I'm jumping on now to make a sealed deck but if anyone is about I will happily play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 01, 2014, 04:06:59 PM
This guy is a really good commander!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=376404&type=card)

He doesn't look much at first glance, but he's actually very useful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 01, 2014, 05:07:37 PM
Yeh I was impressed. Your mana came out much more than mine too and so i knew removing him would only really do so much. Infact it would allow you to reuse him to kill bigger creatures. I got very stuck in that game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 01, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
I thought about him the other day because his ability to remove annoying 1/1s is tasty.

I used his deck and didnt enjoy it that much, but I think rgw is my favourite colour combo, so maybew  will try again
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 01, 2014, 07:42:18 PM
Rufus stomped me with it.

Made my vampires feel a bit puny!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 01, 2014, 07:46:04 PM
you can't really judge EHD decks on one game, though.


I don't get why you'd use his last ability, unless you had populate
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 01, 2014, 08:16:13 PM
I suppose if someone kills him and you need a blocker you could turn him into that before he dies... But yeh aside from that...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 02, 2014, 10:22:15 AM
I really hate prossh and his stupid kobold army.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 02, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
I'm 100% sure prossh has lost more than he has won!

i'm on now, both kids asleep, want to jump on?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 02, 2014, 12:28:25 PM
Lose => take it really badly => win => happy again! Oh dear.

Prossh does feel overwhelming when he works properly though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 02, 2014, 12:52:20 PM
he does, and even i didnt enjoy the games he won like that.



although i enjoyed them more than marath getting totally shut out without you even casting your commander!


Ghave = lots of different win cons
prossh = one, but when it works it's quick and quite hard to stop.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 02, 2014, 01:06:05 PM
I really like populate but it feels a bit dodgy.

It seems I have a Edh populate deck too but that will not take well to board wipes I reckon...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 02, 2014, 01:08:06 PM
don't think it was dodgy, your early spear stopped me attacking and won you the game.

I also only drew what, 3 creatures the whole game?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 02, 2014, 03:01:59 PM
Yeh I think it's ok in standard though it gets totally screwed if and when you can't get tokens out.

I was meaning I'd love to use it in EDH but it relies on having lots of creatures out and boardsweeps really kill that. No ability to bring them back from graveyard etc that seems to be a key part of EDH as so much dies so often. Not saying it's impossible, but I'm not sure it is sturdy enough for EDH.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 02, 2014, 04:48:34 PM
Think you need to do quick bursts of damage between wipes, but you're right, I think any agro deck in edh will struggle with that aspect.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 02, 2014, 08:46:37 PM
Token creatures are fine! Just have ways to sacrifice them to do stuff.

I still think populate is rubbish.


I'm starting to wonder if that legendary dragon is actually in my Ghave deck, since he hasn't shown his scaly snout in a single game so far! It's meant to be this one:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247365&type=card)

I even put trepanation blade in for him, to mill some cards so he'd have more creatures to choose from!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 02, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
ach he looks nasty!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 02, 2014, 08:59:16 PM
That's why I'm sad that he hasn't bothered to appear!

He could eat Prossh.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 02, 2014, 09:15:36 PM
Token creatures are fine! Just have ways to sacrifice them to do stuff.

I still think populate is rubbish.


So in a populate deck, tokens are not so fine!  :-P


I just rejigged my vamps quite a bit with olivia as my general. Much happier with it but who knows if it;s any good...!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 02, 2014, 10:10:36 PM
Hmmm, fair point about populate!


I don't fancy having Olivia stealing all my creatures! She's horrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 02, 2014, 10:16:30 PM
The brightside, if you want one, is that she is fairly killable. What I'd really like is a hexproof commander. Can't think of any off the top of my head but I am sure they are out there...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 02, 2014, 10:19:49 PM
There are a few hexproof ones, but they are frowned upon!

Heron lady from Avacyn is one. There's also some sort of horrible Alara one that everyone hates.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 02, 2014, 10:29:31 PM
sigarda heron lady!

Sorry I missed you siby was making, eating, then clearing up dinner.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 02, 2014, 10:32:29 PM
I feel bad for using dwarvern miner!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 02, 2014, 10:37:29 PM
No worries, gave me a chance to get that deck sorted out.

Guess you will be watching the superbowl soon? I'm not sure whether I will or not. Will have to go out to see it as we don't get the channel.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 02, 2014, 11:45:11 PM
I hate marath! He does everything.


Also: commander damage rule = terrible? I think it might be. What's it for?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 03, 2014, 11:28:00 AM
Look at the kraken token! I must play a Kiora deck!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/arc1413_kraken.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 03, 2014, 12:05:31 PM
Might throw Sorin into my vamp deck if planeswalkers are back in business. He is so vampirey! Pity I can't take the new one though, he pumps out mini vamps but is black/white.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 03, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Commander damage_ making aggro decks more relevant, reducing the power of counters/blue. (in keeping with WotC strategy for quite a while). Opening up the pool of viable generals.
But yeh, not sure if I like it.

Until I get a sneak cromat combat damage win in! ha ha ha.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 03, 2014, 03:22:15 PM
I still don't really get that rule. Is it all in one go or over the course of the game? I suppose it is also a counter to huge lifegaining decks or stall / wall decks?

I have considered doing walls before but I decided slowing down commander even more is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 03, 2014, 04:03:53 PM
So there is a card called take control that lets you control a creature as a flash... does that mean you could block that creature attacking you... with itself??!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 03, 2014, 04:07:44 PM
I don't know which card you mean, but if you take control of an attacking creature during combat it will be removed from that combat. You may be able to use that creature to block another attacking creature, depending on the timing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 03, 2014, 04:08:26 PM
Guess if you controlled it it wouldn’t be attacking you. But you could flsash it, then use it to block another attacker.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 03, 2014, 04:20:36 PM
It's pretty expensive so not very good, but I like the idea  :-P

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370453&type=card)

Got the name wrong. Think I combined it with mind control.  :-P

Rated pretty highly. Seems people like to use it on planeswalkers and stuff. I guess permanent is better than creature!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 03, 2014, 04:25:25 PM
That's not instant speed though!

Split second just means it can't be responded to. If you don't need that, you can use 'confiscate' for 6 mana.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 03, 2014, 04:33:57 PM
Oh in that case I like it even less! For some reason I assumed split second included instant. Probably all the ones I have seen have been instants too or something!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 03, 2014, 04:42:19 PM
This steals a creature during combat, then sacrifices it after.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=376513

Maybe that's more what you had in mind.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 03, 2014, 04:44:23 PM
I’m gonna be so excited if I ever cast the “steal ALL the creatures” spell with prossh out.

Om nom nom.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 03, 2014, 04:48:01 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247413&type=card)

I'll exchange my 'zero' creatures with your 'lots.'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 03, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
That would be an epic response to a steal spell!

I see your stela, and raise you a SWAP
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 03, 2014, 05:15:32 PM
Theme question:

Would Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind summon his future incarnation (Dracogenius) to help out? Or would he be too arrogant?

I can't decide if my themed commander deck should use both or not. Is the world big enough for two Niv-Mizzets?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 03, 2014, 05:40:11 PM
don't they infinite combo together?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 03, 2014, 07:00:05 PM
I think he would.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 03, 2014, 10:24:06 PM
don't they infinite combo together?

I don't think so!


Quote from: Siberius
I think he would.

Oh, I took him out because I thought maybe he wouldn't! I put Melek in instead, but he really doesn't do much unless you totally build your deck around him. I might restore the Dracogenius then.



edit: Kiora deck needs a re-write. Though it would have helped if she'd shown up!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 03, 2014, 11:56:29 PM
i dont think i can remove her, so if she shows up and i dont kill you in time, you win.

if she doesnt show up, you likely don't.

hmm
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 04, 2014, 12:01:52 AM
But even when she arrives, it takes a while to get to kraken status. And the krakens don't even trample or anything.

You can just attack her with your creatures, you know! She'd drop in one hit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 04, 2014, 10:17:31 AM
There's a Kiora deck on reconstructed today:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/rc/285

But it only has two Kioras... and the suggested changes include adding four nightveil specters. To a blue/green deck. Yuck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 04, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Btw, I’m already bored of standard.

I quite fancy some “real” innistrad constructed, although this might be tricky as the prices warp a bit when not in standard.

I also plan on making more theros and bng sealed.

I know I should like theros, and there isn’t really any reason not to… but I don’t really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 04, 2014, 11:36:24 AM
I'm not very enthusiastic about standard either! I like theros, but I'm not keen on playing most of the cards.


Quote
I quite fancy some “real” innistrad constructed, although this might be tricky as the prices warp a bit when not in standard.

Um, OK. Just innistrad/dark ascension/avacyn? Or M13 as well? Also, not that many cards would be excluded by the 'real' condition. What sort of thing did you want to avoid?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 04, 2014, 12:03:08 PM
I think m13 as well. What is “real”, Ģ2?
How come it doesn’t exclude much? Price dropped because not standard, and not good enough to be expensive due to EDH or legacy?

The specific cards I had in mind were gayralfs messenger, and that soul bonded werewolf which gives + 7/7!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 04, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
We used Ģ2 before. Those two are under the threshold! Cards over it include snapcaster, St Traft, various other mythics, and dual lands. Once things are out of standard, a lot of the price-fixing goes away and the prices drop considerably. Bonfire of the damned was well above Ģ20, but is down to Ģ5 ish.

It would be easier to just name the specific cards that shouldn't be used!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 04, 2014, 12:26:20 PM
Oh, well, zapping those 2 alone looks pretty good! And no dual lands slows it down a little.

Don't know the set well enough to make a ban list
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 04, 2014, 12:37:48 PM
OK, so just avoid using anything self-evidently dodgy. Easy enough!


Hmmm, this is now banned in EDH, apparently:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366282&type=card)

I've never used it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 04, 2014, 12:49:18 PM
me neither, not sure it's even in prossh? might be.


that dodgy zendikar avenger is but I've only drawn him for marath, where he's in the precon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 04, 2014, 05:01:42 PM
There's a Kiora deck on reconstructed today:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/rc/285

But it only has two Kioras... and the suggested changes include adding four nightveil specters. To a blue/green deck. Yuck.

not a kiora deck!

it's a MoW and Biomancer deck

the last round of commander precons have ridiciulous commanders. Riku and kaalia are ridiculous!

The greatherd one has a weird looking ability, so might make an interesting deck? totally fails vs ghave as he simply sacrifices the creatures.

Might try the mimeoplasm precon, or another bug general

There's only 2 other BUG generals, and one is this guy!

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/pc/164.jpg)
not sure he's entirely moving away from commander damage...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 04, 2014, 06:54:03 PM
rufus will be pleased to hear i just accidentally deleted my prossh deck when importing the mimeoplasm one
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2014, 11:52:20 AM
I think they were admitting that Kiora isn't good enough to carry a deck herself.

Riku and Kalia are definitely stupid - I looked at both of those and decided they'd cause too much rage. Donating minotaur man would only work with a fair number of players, I think. Not good for 1 vs 1.

The mimeoplasm is weird and cool though. I nearly chose him, but I don't really like the way blue/black/green looks. Plus his decklist is heavily black, with green and blue as minor colours.

I don't think vorosh is too offensive. Kill him and he loses his counters. It's not like Prossh or Marath, who come back much stronger after dying (that's what's really wrong with both of those).


rufus will be pleased to hear i just accidentally deleted my prossh deck when importing the mimeoplasm one

What a shame!  :icon_razz:  Though you can easily recreate it.

I read this about Prossh on a forum:

"He's one of the best Voltron commanders *and* one of the best token commanders, and neither strategy takes much effort to pull off with him."

They carried on to say that the precon can easily beat normal decks! I think they have a point.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2014, 12:16:28 PM
Mimeoplasm is another commander damage guy though really, which I didn't realise until I read him over again. I would be happy to try it without the commander damage rule, as long as no one was playing heavy lifegain.

I noticed a pretty sweet black blue kraken in the mimeoplasm deck though.


I'm certain my prossh deck didn't win more than 50% of it's games, so it didn't beat normal decks that easily!

not that easy to remake it, I didn't make a note of the changes I made.


btw rufus, if I do buy a precon it has to be vorosh or Marath- oloro and jeleva are sold out, and I hate the other guy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2014, 12:38:13 PM
I don't think I really mind the commander damage thing, despite complaining about it. So long as it's fine to win with combos too!

Mimeoplasm does get set back by being killed, since he'll need new cards to copy. Unlike Prossh and his 'thanks for killing me, now I have more kobolds to eat.'

I like that kraken, but I wish it was just blue.


btw rufus, if I do buy a precon it has to be vorosh or Marath- oloro and jeleva are sold out, and I hate the other guy.

That's OK. I quite want the marath one myself!

I hope you do buy one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
poor old shitty elder dragon

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=201177&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2014, 07:52:28 PM
(http://i.tcgplayer.com/14562.jpg)

this'd be good in EDH without the mana cost trigger.

BEAST surely? it's only Ģ2.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on February 05, 2014, 08:27:26 PM
Just randomly opened the thread to be greeted by bad old Arcades Sabboth... ha! I actually still have a very old 4 color deck around that has a couple of the Elder Dragon Legends in it. Just made from the cards I had, not very good, but definitely fun. Every useless big gold card I had is in there. Perhaps I'll bring it to the Bash to be thrashed by all that new-fangled fancy stuff.
 :happy:

As for that Avatar of Woe, she looks pretty good! She'd work well in my reanimator deck I think. It generally uses pestilence in combination with big critters to whittle down opponents defenses while keeping perstilence in play, but she looks like an excellent, tough sniper to handle the stuff that's too big for that. And she overcomes one of the biggest downsides of most of the efficient black sniper cards (at least from my era): they all only work on non-black, and in some cases, non-artifact.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2014, 09:53:04 PM
I was looking at legends and thought "hey, i've only seen nicol bolas, wonder what the other ED are like" and the answer is "they all suck" poor old other EDs (one other looked usable)

btw guys, don't play edh vs randomers on the gccg. It;s all original duals, only staples and horrible tutoring.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2014, 11:30:51 PM
btw guys, don't play edh vs randomers on the gccg. It;s all original duals, only staples and horrible tutoring.

Also don't play against me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2014, 11:37:26 PM
did you add your horrible hat today, or had we just never seen it before?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 05, 2014, 11:39:56 PM
It's been there since I changed the precon. It just hasn't shown up.

I'll get rid of it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 06, 2014, 09:32:46 AM
So we did Alara sealed yesterday and my brother ended up with an insane deck that even milled me for the win the first time!

Cards I saw:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=188962&type=card)
This guy milled me in the first game until I killed him with me on 5 cards.

Then he popped this guy out to finish the job!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247178&type=card)

All the while having his wall of Denial up.


Game 2 he didn't evenhave to use either of those guys because he got out 3 stryxes and another owl flying over me followed by:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=175035&type=card)


It was an impressive selection of cards. I was running Naya and my deck wasn't bad, but he just stomped all over me. Good fun though, I do enjoy the even playing field that sealed gives you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 11:22:56 AM
Ah, nemesis of reason. If only it were mono-blue, bigger, and didn't mill. Then it would be in my sea monster deck! The same goes for Wrexial the risen deep.


Ethersworn is mythic? But it's just a random man on some sort of ugly robot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2014, 12:29:03 PM
Who can kill anything, untap himself, and is on a reasonable flying body
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 12:30:34 PM
I don't mean he's not good. He's just a bit anonymous for a mythic. Nemesis of reason looks more mythic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2014, 12:35:59 PM
oh yeh, true.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 06, 2014, 02:36:03 PM
Nemesis is so hard to remove. That's what makes him really tough. Not easy to do all that damage and he mills you for 10 even so! I do love him though. Alara has some really deadly mill cards. I know milling bugs you Rufus but is it that frowned on in general? I notice that even the recent sets have a strong mill presence.

I never noticed he was a leviathon too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 02:44:41 PM
I don't dislike him for milling - it's just a completely useless ability in a normal deck. It can even help your opponent (flashback, reanimators).

My leviathan/kraken/octopus deck wants big monsters to stomp people with! So I think that name and art could have been used on something cooler.

People do dislike milling though, and anyway it's not a very effective way to win. It's better in sealed because you only have 40 cards, of course.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 06, 2014, 02:56:13 PM
Yeh I have tried milling before and it rarely seems to work. You just end up with your opponents graveyard being half full but you have no creatures and lost!

But I am curious as to why it is still so prevalent in the current sets. Dimir was heavy into milling in RTR. You didnt have to use it to make good decks but it did mean avoiding almost half the donor cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 03:03:27 PM
I think there was an article on the magic site about it once. Milling is really popular with a significant number of players, so they try to keep it around as an option to please them. But at the same time a lot of people hate it (they don't like to see their cards being wasted, even though those cards weren't in their hand so they didn't have access to them anyway!). So they don't make it too powerful either, and they print mill-hosers like elixir of immortality.

I find it less annoying on GCCG since I realised you can just hit Del while mouseovering your deck to mill one, rather than right-clicking and selecting the option.

Dimir had to have it for theme reasons.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 03:35:59 PM
I was just reading a thread on a magic forum where people were saying that they hate white-bordered cards so much that they colour them in with a pen.

Surely that's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 06, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
It is. You should paint them instead.


So if I made a mill deck (not saying I am going to), you wouldn't mind too much because you would likely whoop it's butt anyways?

I can never make up my mind about alternative win conditions. On the one hand, when you pull it off, you feel like a sneaky tactical genius. On the other hand, when you lose to one you feel a gaping sense of depressing anticlimax. I've been on both ends. Hmm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 03:57:40 PM
What's wrong with white borders anyway! Crazy people.


Well, I can't say I'm filled with delight at the prospect of playing against a mill deck. They're pretty dull. But I will if you want to make one.

Alternate win can be fun, depending on what it is. Finally winning with biovisionary was great!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 04:50:50 PM
People on MTG salvation saying they have EDH decks that are worth $3000 =  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2014, 04:51:35 PM
don't even go into the "cube" section, rufel!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 04:53:34 PM
What even is a cube in this context?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2014, 05:01:29 PM
im not really sure, I think people collect giant collexctions of cards which they then use to draft within their playgroup. And tyhen yhey "pimp out" their cube, buying foils, alternates etc. I guess you could spend sort of infinity money on


I think someone said they had one whcih was $20k.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 05:04:44 PM
I don't understand that at all.

I'd better not find out more in case it makes me angry!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
I dont think it'll make you angry, people just spend a lot of money on them!

"For those of you who are new to the concept of a Cube, the general concept is quite simple: a Cube is a pool of cards that can be randomized, organized into packs, and used to draft."


it's a customised set of cards to play limited with, instead of doing it arranged by MTG block/set.

You might hate it because it inbolves other people touching your cards!!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
Yuck, get off my cards!

OK, it doesn't sound so bad. I imagine it as a giant, floating cube that beams cards out to you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2014, 05:26:03 PM
Think it actually sounds pretty awesome. albeit involving a lot of planning!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 06, 2014, 06:21:54 PM
I've never done Cube but it does sound kinda cool. I think it takes a lot of tinkering to make sure that it doesn't get horribly skewed.

Drafting in general is amazing though. Adds a whole other element to limited in how you go about drafting the cards you need whilst seeing the trends of what other people are picking to know what you should be taking if need be to stop them or what will be more available because no one is drafting it.


Alternate win can be fun, depending on what it is. Finally winning with biovisionary was great!

I think the trouble with alternate wins sometimes is that you play a whole game letting the other person think they are about to win and then pull the rug out from under them. Great for you, but really depressing for the other person. But it is part of the game I guess.

My favourite one is

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=193467&type=card)

This one worked really well. You let your opponent get you to within an inch of dieing, they think they are gonna slam you, then you play this and bam. It's easier than it sounds too because the entire deck is set up to activate when you get low on health. You have fogs and blockers and then small burn spells so that if need be you can do the damage yourself. But it definitely gets the response "Oh" rather than "Nice move!" from people you use it on. Which is kinda what most alt win conditions seem to feel like!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 06, 2014, 07:10:13 PM
siby you said there is mill stuff in current game, but no one actually uses it competetively.

I think it was one of the best decks when they had to ban that uber broken planeswalker.



I'd already decided not to use suyrvival of the fittest because it's bent. check price for curiosity. Ģ16!

doubling season, Ģ19!


hallowed fountaints only Ģ6.50 on troll trader card. pretty cheap for a shock land?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
I'd already decided not to use suyrvival of the fittest because it's bent. check price for curiosity. Ģ16!

Um.

I have that in my Ghave deck! I got one in a booster back whenever it was around.

Is it going to induce rage if I ever draw it?


Quote
hallowed fountaints only Ģ6.50 on troll trader card. pretty cheap for a shock land?

About average. Aim for nearer 5! Ebay.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 06, 2014, 11:11:00 PM
Quote
This one worked really well. You let your opponent get you to within an inch of dieing, they think they are gonna slam you, then you play this and bam. It's easier than it sounds too because the entire deck is set up to activate when you get low on health. You have fogs and blockers and then small burn spells so that if need be you can do the damage yourself. But it definitely gets the response "Oh" rather than "Nice move!" from people you use it on. Which is kinda what most alt win conditions seem to feel like!

Hmmm, but you play it on your turn, then have to last until your next upkeep on low life. What if they zap you?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 07, 2014, 12:03:16 AM
I think I had something for that. Maybe a prevent all damage or something. Or maybe I let them get me down to  4 or so and then lightning bolted myself... I can't remember now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 12:45:20 AM
I bet there are some tricking timing rules going on there too. Probably the 'win if on one life' effect triggers at the start of your upkeep... so if they respond to the trigger by zapping you for one... or even making you gain life... problem! You either die immediately (if damage) or the trigger resolves but fails because you aren't on one life (if they make you gain life).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 10:35:41 AM
3 commander games, and I think only 1 commander was cast, vegana, and rufus lost that game anyway!

Shouldn't you take out the crappy evolve creatures from the deck rufel?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 11:35:08 AM
No! It's a Simic theme deck. It's not supposed to be good!

I was playing it because you hated Ghave and Muzzy the night before.


Will the Mimeoplasm ever appear on the battlefield?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 11:42:40 AM
hmm. Theoretically I shouldn’t always hate ghave and muzzy though, just like prossh didn’t always work

I don't think I ever had 2 creatures in grave!



but I want to test beast marath now, before buying it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 11:46:40 AM
horrible flavour text for that satyr!

"His heart, the coal; his eye, the spark; his hand, the whirling flame."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 07, 2014, 12:03:07 PM
I have my oloro deck now built which probably sounds nasty but it is based on soldiers rather than lifegain so probably not.

Kinda surprised felidar sovereign isn't banned in Edh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 12:11:14 PM
huh, me too.

I guess they figure it'll just be removed, or after the turns to get 6 mana you wont be on 40 health.

dodgy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 12:14:34 PM
Kinda surprised felidar sovereign isn't banned in Edh.

You didn't put that in, did you?  :icon_eek:

Oloro is annoying, but in a multiplayer game he makes everyone want to attack you.


Quote from: Finlay
horrible flavour text for that satyr!

Yes! And he's been annoying me by showing up in my sealed cards. I don't want a 1/1 with an ability that only triggers from one or two other spells!


Quote
hmm. Theoretically I shouldn’t always hate ghave and muzzy though, just like prossh didn’t always work

I don't think I ever had 2 creatures in grave!

but I want to test beast marath now, before buying it.

I'm going to play Ghave or Muzzy next time! Especially against Marath or Oloro ::heretic::

The Mimeoplasm seems difficult to use. Yet it's apparently a popular general.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 12:15:59 PM
Also, this is allowed in EDH, but no one better use it!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=204989&type=card)

It is banned in the 1 vs 1 rules.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 12:34:41 PM
We gonn rock some 3 player tonight then?!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 12:40:05 PM
Well, I'd be up for that!

I'd use Ghave. Muzzy is spectacular when it all comes together for him, but he fizzles out a lot.


Helm of possession/horrible hat = OK or not?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4611&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 12:44:45 PM
You know whats annoying? Rares and mythics you want for EDH which are standard. You know they wont be expensive when they rotate out, but they really are now.

Grr



I think horrible hats ok. I do have fair amount of arti removal. and I shouldn’t have given you vorosh…
Although it does mean you basically cant cast creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 01:09:01 PM
Yes, that is a pain! Blame the price-fixing cartels. Which cards did you mean? There are probably cheaper substitutes in slightly older sets.

Horrible hat isn't that hard to deal with, unless you don't have the right removal to hand. But that's no worse than playing a giant dragon that gains 6 counters every time he hits you against someone who can't immediately draw a kill spell!


This seems handy:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370365&type=card)

Get cards out of exile!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 01:21:21 PM
Yes, that is a pain! Blame the price-fixing cartels. Which cards did you mean? There are probably cheaper substitutes in slightly older sets.

Horrible hat isn't that hard to deal with, unless you don't have the right removal to hand. But that's no worse than playing a giant dragon that gains 6 counters every time he hits you against someone who can't immediately draw a kill spell!
um, that new mythic rare black skellybob. but im not using prossh atm so nothing.
or, primeval bounty. but that might stay expensive.
(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/m14/190.jpg)

2 slioght differences, although do agree with the overall point. all my decks have several arti hate cards.
1)dragon doesn't stop you casting anything, where as hat stops you casting creatures.
2)and can chump block the dragon, albeit with more difficulty than a non flier.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 01:37:18 PM
Champion of stray souls is Ģ1.40 on magic card trader, so he's not that bad.

Primeval bounty is Ģ3+ though, and I doubt you'd get it any cheaper. It's a bit good isn't it! I hadn't thought of using that.


I just mean that horrible hat isn't so bad compared to a lot of other things people commonly use in EDH. It's not expensive to buy one! But I won't use it if it's going to cause rage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 02:06:20 PM
themetastic for marath! beastssss


yeh, i dont think its that bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 02:28:38 PM
I think maybe I want Bow of Nylea instead of the horrible hat anyway! It looks handy.


Hmmm, this for Ghave? Not sure.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=368549&type=card)

I don't like to over-specialise. On the other hand, it makes ghosts!


Or this!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=270779&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 02:38:32 PM
I already decline using the nylea bow for marath.
Pew, 1 mana -1 counter, you’re dead
Repeat.

Twilight drover looks basically designed for you if using a ghave deck rufus.
Looks annoying! Ha ha.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 03:21:44 PM
Damn, should I not use the bow then? I fancy an army of deathtouch saprolings!

I'm going to try the twilight drover out. My deck will then be able to make saprolings, insects, squirrels, pegasuseseses, ghosts, and anything I can pull out of Sarpadian Empires vol VII. Tokentastic.

No one cast electrickery.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 07, 2014, 03:39:48 PM
I'm trying to understand the hat. Is it bad cos you can sac the creature you just got control of to get more of their stuff? I can see how that would be bad...

Though is this guy even more mean?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=185712&type=card)
Great art by the way!

The bow doesn't seem that bad does it? It dies to arti and enchant hate. I guess maybe it is the combos that make it bad? I am still not up with it on all the generals.

I don't have felidar sovereign but I could see it being fairly easy to build a life gain deck with a lot of tutoring to just get him out on turn 6 and win... he just came to mind when I thought of my general. He was fun to win with in standard, no not always easy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 04:44:52 PM
The hat was good for Ghave, because he supplies token creatures for the sacrifice, and he lets you sacrifice the stolen creature in case you're going to lose control of it. Without those two things it wouldn't be that good at all. Note that you can't sac the controlled creature to the hat!


Roil elemental! Gosh. Then again, it has toughness two. Probably not that hard to kill it. The art is definitely epic.


Re: the bow, I guess Finlay was talking about attacking with Marath (so now he has deathtouch, thanks to the bow) then removing Marath's counters to fire 1 deathtouch damage at creatures. Then putting a counter back, again with the bow.

But, I don't think it's that bad.


Felidar should require 60 life in EDH, since you start on 40.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 05:05:05 PM
I hadn't read it properly, didn't realise he had to attack. Not as bad then as you are making him vulnerable.

reading the bow again reminds me of a good example why I suck at magic rufus, last night if you HAD been able to do 8 to me, I'd totally forgotten about the shaman, so you'd have "won".

I am rubbish at instant speed stuff! like forgetting magic items in warhammer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 05:06:28 PM
this might be beardier actually!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=198356&type=card)

that's probably better for marath, with bow of nylea being better for ghave
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 07, 2014, 05:12:23 PM
Yeh deathtouch on a little pingy dude is fun too. I suppose Edh is full of crazy stuff that left unchecked can go nuts so I say use what you want! I'm not putting felidar in my deck though cos I have almost no lifegain.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 05:13:02 PM
hey i'd like to promose a ban on those beardy swords from I think dark steel?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 05:15:00 PM
I wanted a basilisk collar for Muzzy Izzet, but they cost 6 quid or more! So I'm not using one in my GCCG deck either.

Other deathtouch artifacts include gorgon flail and gorgon's head. Anything gorgony!


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last night if you HAD been able to do 8 to me, I'd totally forgotten about the shaman, so you'd have "won".

I forgot the shaman too. I wouldn't have been trying so hard to reach 8 if I had, because no way could I make 10.


Knowing the timing rules for instant speed stuff is really important if you want to win more often.



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hey i'd like to promose a ban on those beardy swords from I think dark steel?

I support this. I refuse to even look at them.

They're called things like Sword of X and Y.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 05:26:19 PM
damnit, cheapest one in stock from MCT, firestorm or trolltader is Ģ6.
no bassy collar for me.

lifelink apparently vosts about Ģ5.80, because gorgon head is the same, minus lifelink.

would lifelink be disgusting like giving you all the toughness of the creature back even if you only do 1 to it with DT? I don't think it would, so why is it so much more expensive?!


gorgon flail might actually go with marath pretty nicely actually. means he can stay alive without counters on, and I can equip it to something else when I do want him to die.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 07, 2014, 05:27:50 PM
I've played so much magic and yet I still get messed up with the rules for timing. The order in which people have to declare stuff for example. I think the key is when playing against Rufus to ask him if he is doing anything when you are thinking of doing something.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 07, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
I'm not sure why basilisk collar costs so much more, money-wise. Lifelink is nice, but as you say you'd only get as much life as you dealt damage.

Gorgon flail is probably just as good!


Quote
I've played so much magic and yet I still get messed up with the rules for timing. The order in which people have to declare stuff for example

You can definitely play magic without knowing how exactly that stuff is supposed to work. It gets glossed over. A lot of the time, it doesn't even matter. But sometimes it does, and knowing exactly how something will resolve can be game winning.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 07:27:37 PM
I often just flat out forget abilities, not even how they are resolved.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 07, 2014, 10:00:02 PM
make deck on tapped out.

save in .dec format.

import into gccg.

MANY SUCCESS!



why isnt darksteel mutation on any of the deck websites?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 08, 2014, 12:05:41 AM
Storm herd!

Is ridiculous.


make deck on tapped out.

save in .dec format.

import into gccg.

Hey, that's handy! I'll have to try that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 08, 2014, 12:47:16 AM
That was quite a fun game, despite the crazy pegasus thing. I guess somebody has to win sometime!

I think whilst Oloro isn't controlling, he helps you stay in the game so I might stick with and tweak this deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 08, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Oloro Is as controlling as anyone.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 08, 2014, 01:32:41 AM
He just gets life and can sometimes get draw. Your two dudes can reach out and damage to kill, create tokens and such.

Lifegain isnt so much control is it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 08, 2014, 08:28:29 AM
Rufuses can create tokensa and sac. He doesnt have control abilities per se, but he can help control the board.

Mine can reach out and create tokens. He does I guess help control the board, but not really in a meaningful way. Last night I had no board control.

Draw and life is as controlly as those, because how coNtrolly it is is down to the deck for the most part.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 08, 2014, 09:35:27 AM
Gaining 2 life every turn, for free, in a way that no one can prevent (short of specific 'you can't gain life' cards) is definitely controly! His draw ability is very strong too, though you didn't cast him.

Marath might have done more if he hadn't been stolen twice! But he's not as good when he has to split his attention between two opponents.

Ghave is just a resource converter. And I didn't even cast him.


Also, Kjeldoran outpost is definitely in Skyrim!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=184555&type=card)

Actually, didn't Skyrim use some of the legendary dragon names from Magic? There's a Treva's Watch and a Krosis.

Damn, now I want to play Skyrim.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 08, 2014, 11:12:18 AM
Well, can't you just play skyrim?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 08, 2014, 11:16:19 AM
Well, yes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 08, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
Hit and run magic from Finlay!

Appear, blast me with beasts, run off to play hockey!  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on February 08, 2014, 04:30:36 PM
Hit and run magic from Finlay!

Appear, blast me with beasts, run off to play hockey!  :ph34r:
Quick and deadly, like we know him :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 08, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
You'll be pleased to hear we lost 2-1
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 08, 2014, 09:08:08 PM
i almost played an edh game with raqndomers.

didnt, then check the game. original duals, shocklands, artifact lands, planeswalkers, dodgy swords.

SO GLAD I DIDNT.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 09, 2014, 01:22:34 PM
I think I may have been missunderstanding control. I always viewed it as a deck which uses counterspells, creature kill and caging to kinda shut people down. Hence they were controlled by just not being able to execute anything because they are blocked at every turn.

But I suppose lifegain is kinds control in that you give yourself the ability to not worry about getting hit? So it's sorta like a backwards form of control where you give yourself time even though you don't actually 'control' the enemy's turn in any way?

But it seems like the whole concept of control a bit vague anyways. One could argue that an aggro deck controls the opponent by using their creatures to overrun the enemy's.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 10, 2014, 11:44:08 PM
You guys seemed a bit battleweary today!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 10, 2014, 11:54:37 PM
Yeh, I didnt enjoy that game at all, and needed to shower and read about kraken's but actually not krakens
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2014, 12:12:18 AM
But you whooped our butts  :-P

Are you disliking the general damage rules?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 11, 2014, 12:20:21 AM
I thought about not doing it, but then thjiufht that was lame.


Yeh not sure about cimmasnder damage! But sort of need it vs lifegain decks maybe.
I might use a different general. Gahiji is just pure aggro, or maybe a gruul one and drop white.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2014, 12:34:56 AM
My general is semi effective I guess but he just seems to make me a target for getting beat on and he doesn't do a huge amount actually on the field.

I'll stick with him for now though. Haven't had many games with it and I keep drawing the same stuff I don't really want to be drawing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 11, 2014, 09:11:26 AM
If Siby had revoked the magic shoes rather than the hammer, I could have nuked Marath several times over!

Or if I hadn't given up rather early on in the game, I could have sacrificed those free soldier tokens and drawn loads of card with fecundity. Then I'd have surely found a suitable spell.

No shoes allowed in future, Marath!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2014, 12:16:14 PM
Didn't think of that, you were keeping so quiet I had no idea you might be able to help.  :-P

I have thrown in a couple more removal spells since. I think almost every time I have lost has been directly due to a general so I have found a few more ways to deal with them...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 11, 2014, 12:35:33 PM
every deck needs a fair amount of enchantment, artifact, and spot and mass creature removal.


I don't think the shoes are that bad though
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2014, 01:49:38 PM
As Rufus said, I could have zapped them. The main reason I didn't was that I didn't know Rufus could have zapped your guy and I wanted to try anything to prevent the trample damage. But I was in a terrible mess anyways in terms of what was in my hand. Might also switch in some scry lands. Apparently they are even being used in competitive standard. I always avoided them so far due to tapping, but maybe it is worth it to push into my deck further.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 11, 2014, 02:28:07 PM
Scry lands are definitely good.

I think almost every time I have lost has been directly due to a general so I have found a few more ways to deal with them...

You are playing both blue and white, so you basically can use all the 'shuffle away their general' cards. Spell crumple, hinder, oblation, condemn, unexpectedly absent, spin into myth, terminus, hallowed burial...

Have fun trapped in the deck, Marath.


Quote from: Finlay
every deck needs a fair amount of enchantment, artifact, and spot and mass creature removal.

It doesn't mean you'll draw it when you need it!

And the only way to make the deck more consistent is to use tutoring... which of course negates one of the main reasons for playing commander.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 11, 2014, 02:54:08 PM
yes of course, I just don't think the magic shoes are any worse than the horrid hat.

I've just been able to remove the hat as soon as it's come in every game since it pwned me.

I'm gonna swap marath for a plain beast
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 11, 2014, 03:06:40 PM
I hate it when trivially small creatures control the board because you can't draw any spot removal. :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2014, 04:18:01 PM
Rufus I did indeed put all the shuffle cards in to my deck! A cool thing I didn't know was that if you instantly put the general on hetop of the library when someone has played a tutor or something they have to shuffle him into the deck. Amusing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 11, 2014, 04:43:10 PM
I hate it when trivially small creatures control the board because you can't draw any spot removal. :)

But you always have access to Marath, and he can wipe out multiple creatures each time.

Some people think all the commander 2013 commanders are broken! We haven't used the grixis one yet, but I think all four of the others are ridiculous and gamebreaking in their own ways. It's because of the way they all interact with the command zone in a way you wouldn't get with any other legend.


Quote from: Siberius
Rufus I did indeed put all the shuffle cards in to my deck!

Oh! That's mean.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 11, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
I hate it when trivially small creatures control the board because you can't draw any spot removal. :)

But you always have access to Marath, and he can wipe out multiple creatures each time.

Some people think all the commander 2013 commanders are broken! We haven't used the grixis one yet, but I think all four of the others are ridiculous and gamebreaking in their own ways. It's because of the way they all interact with the command zone in a way you wouldn't get with any other legend.
that's what I mean, choosing Marath was in response to me being annoyed by small creatures (well, combined with the fact it's one of the c13 decks still available to buy)


all the 2013 commanders are broken but ghave and mizzet are fine :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2014, 07:33:00 PM
So which Esper commanders aren't broken?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=121162&type=card)(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=108871&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=201203&type=card)(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=29292&type=card)

These are all old ones so I suppose they probably are all ok. I kinda like the flying enchantment dude and the one with the rainbow.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 11, 2014, 08:01:09 PM
Zur is considered one of the Most broken.

Rainbow lady looks cack.


Other broken ones are uril must walker, and some azami lady who counters everything.


Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2014, 08:40:57 PM
So if I use Zur, rage quitting?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 11, 2014, 11:44:14 PM
Maybe ertai the corrupted then.

Assuming you guys don't want me to use Oloro. Which is a bit sad cos he is a soldier and that's my deck!   :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 12, 2014, 09:42:20 AM
Assuming you guys don't want me to use Oloro.

No one said you shouldn't use Oloro!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2014, 09:50:36 AM
I don’t mind oloro. All commanders are a bit broken/annoying/powerful. That’s why they are commanders.


I would mind zur, and the counter everything lady, but I cant remember her name.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2014, 10:22:37 AM
Well ideally the deck should be somewhat built around them, but able to win without them too. If you want to use a mascot commander, then we should just play singleton 100s.

Not the one I meant, there’s a kamiahwaha one which flips like the rat ninja, then counters stuff.

Although people don’t like azami either.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 12, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
magic fatigguuueeee
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 12, 2014, 11:54:19 AM
I'll stick with oloro for now then. My deck isn't built that much around him like I have seen others. The most he will likely do is get his stats boosted by my other soldiers which isn't too terrifying as he has no avoidance tricks. He won't be pew pewing anything either.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on February 13, 2014, 12:57:56 PM
So do you guys play online or something?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 13, 2014, 01:37:36 PM
yes

http://gccg.sourceforge.net/

free, but somewhat clunky.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 13, 2014, 05:06:06 PM
Played my brother again the other day, some standard. Used that rakdos deck and it slammed him. So fast and brutal.

But he used a Mono green devotion against my hexproof deck and it was pretty handy. Been a while since I have tried Mon green.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 14, 2014, 11:05:09 AM
I didn't think I liked this dragon, until it hit for 10, 10 and 9 damage in consecutive turns!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=180611&type=card)


But my favourite thing in magic is still casting temporal mastery as a miracle. Even though the extra turn hardly ever does much.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 14, 2014, 11:12:14 AM
I read that last night as just discarding the top and adding Power, but drawing then discarding is pretty decent really. Won the game on his own!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 14, 2014, 11:16:25 AM
Yes! I didn't mind throwing away those high-cost cards, since I couldn't even cast the 7 mana ones.

I like playing izzet, because it switches suddenly between aggro and control. Often when I don't expect it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 14, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
This is a good card, surely? Why does no one use it?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=204992&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 14, 2014, 12:32:27 PM
definitely going in rosheen!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 14, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
I nearly didn't post it in case you wanted to use it!  ::heretic::

But I think Niv-Mizzet wants one too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 14, 2014, 12:53:40 PM
guttersnipe and that satyr will be added too!

any more burn-hancements people know of?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 14, 2014, 12:57:45 PM
No, I don't know any.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=205268&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=15216&type=card)

 ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 14, 2014, 01:03:07 PM
go rosheen go!

furnace of wrath plus a triple shot clan defiance.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 14, 2014, 01:07:35 PM
I think repercussion + blasphemous act + lots of creatures in play would be hilarious.

Everyone takes 13 damage for each creature they have! Boom!


Or you cast furnace, and I cast comet storm straight at your face!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 14, 2014, 03:45:23 PM
This looks pretty good for Ghave:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=136042&type=card)

Maybe?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 14, 2014, 04:01:07 PM
5 mana for a saproling? hmm. would need to be tapping other sap's you'd made I guess.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 14, 2014, 05:10:16 PM
Instant and buyback though, so cast at the end of the other guy's turn. And convoking to reduce the cost. I think it might be OK!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 15, 2014, 10:13:57 PM
hey, you just deleted 2 cards you posted about?

i wanted to use at lrast one of them! ha ha ha
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 15, 2014, 11:57:19 PM
Sorry about that last game Rufus. That guy actually did kidnap me and then declared himself winner. I had to quite the game. Not cool.

Need to work on my warriors. Maybe more burn spells and less burning dudes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 16, 2014, 11:18:51 AM
Oh! I thought he'd gone on by mistake, having intended to watch. But since you didn't both leave the table at once, I thought you'd decided to play anyway. I didn't realise he was holding you hostage!

Your warrior deck is fine.  Losing the burning dudes would ruin the theme!



Quote
hey, you just deleted 2 cards you posted about?

i wanted to use at lrast one of them! ha ha ha

Find your own cards!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 16, 2014, 01:23:47 PM
He may have done it by mistake, but he didn't say anything, then when I tried to declare a draw, didn't do anything. Is say maybe he had walked away from his screen but as soon as me and fin got in a game he joined it. And he is not new either... Annoying!

I'm not gonna take out all my on fire dudes, but maybe a couple to get some more aggressive kill spells.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 16, 2014, 05:17:08 PM
It was weird, I was gonna ask you but then he joined our game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 16, 2014, 06:39:10 PM
I hope he doesn't do that again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 16, 2014, 08:45:32 PM
If he does, we can always complain to someone, they are pretty harsh with offenders from what I have seen before.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 18, 2014, 11:38:22 AM
If Treebeard liked to eat hobbits, this would be his magic card.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=139665&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2014, 08:59:41 PM
wayland are selling commander 13 decks for Ģ17.40 this weekend

the grixis one is gone, but others are all in.

think i'll get a marath
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2014, 10:18:39 PM
Bargain! I might get one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 26, 2014, 10:09:12 AM
Decklists for Jace vs Vraska:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1438

Both of these are quite dull! I really liked the Izzet vs Golgari duel decks, but none of the ones since have been interesting enough to buy.

Also, Jace looks really stupid.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 26, 2014, 09:02:40 PM
Im playing my brother tonight. Not sure what we will end up doing. Maybe some sealed with the new sets...

I just made a mono blue sealed deck!  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 27, 2014, 11:00:20 AM
I just made a mono blue sealed deck!  :ph34r:

You had enough blue cards for that? Good grief!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 27, 2014, 02:58:08 PM
I had exactly 25 so I went for it! I didn't have too much that was exciting but what I did have that was handy was:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373707&type=card)
(Plus the white blue land that I threw in and actually helped!)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378411&type=card)
This, which I managed to use in both games, one of which on chimera, the other on...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378422&type=card)
this, which I had two of already! Extremely good card in sealed I reckon.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378427&type=card)
Also this guy who won me game 2.


I had some substandard cards but I think that knowing you always had the mana you needed was kinda huge and worked for me. And even though my brother had a nasty green/red deck with some huge threats (he actually had the big green archetype out in game 2 with flying and deathtouch on it!) I was able to swing in the air and control his deck.

I really love how sealed makes useless cards sometimes totally worth taking!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 27, 2014, 03:25:15 PM
That's a good selection of cards! The siren definitely looks worthwhile in sealed.

Hey, Tromokratis is a legend. I hadn't noticed that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on February 27, 2014, 05:43:23 PM
The thing with the siren is you are almost guaranteed a 4/4 flyer cos giving you their best creature is rarely a viable option!

And yes he is! Not fond of his pic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
I don't like the Tromokratis art either. The promo version looks much better! It's a good card though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on March 01, 2014, 02:21:57 PM
Do you guys draft at Gccg? I know it will not be the exact thing, but maybe using http://draft.bestiaire.org/ and then testing the decks against each other.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 21, 2014, 04:54:35 PM
Next weeks command tower is about playing quickeer games of commander!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 07, 2014, 09:18:56 AM
New set coming soon!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/127/769/635324276204789828.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/7WAfbqMBlt_EN.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/4FOVmZZRox_EN.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/UdkbyRXrpu_EN.jpg)

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/journeyintonyx/cig#


Boris McHorseyface looks really good. I hope the Izzet and Simic gods are as powerful.

I really like that starfish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 08, 2014, 09:45:18 AM
Another kraken!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/Nln9AslfEg_EN.jpg)

Rather a good one too.


God-slaying spear thing.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/qWzLAM04HA_EN.jpg)


Blue/red god! I want this one:

(http://8e8460c4912582c4e519-11fcbfd88ed5b90cfb46edba899033c9.r65.cf1.rackcdn.com/sales/cardscans/MTG/JOU/en/nonfoil/9Gbyp6uXtLnjq4qu.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on April 08, 2014, 12:24:44 PM
Godsend and God of storms seems funky :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 08, 2014, 03:25:58 PM
They look powerful.

Scryfish is amazing
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 08, 2014, 03:47:23 PM
I'm definitely going to use scryfish.

I hope Keranos won't be expensive to buy. I'm still waiting for Kiora to drop to a reasonable level.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2014, 08:28:31 AM
Catman returns, and he wants you to gain 100 life!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/BdUSCjHJlz_EN.jpg)


Also, the blue/red temple is finally here.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/zOGcGRw2k5_EN.jpg)

Snazzy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2014, 08:21:34 AM
Simic god!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/DaFk5X7CF2_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2014, 09:30:28 AM
so you retain colourless mana potentially indefinitely? That looks pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2014, 09:40:55 AM
Yes, so you can save it up from turn to turn. Even better if you have prophet of kruphix untapping your land in your opponents turn as well.

Definitely great in commander, but I'm not sure how useful it would be in a normal game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
and the hand size is better in commander with more/better draw cards. I definitely want to make a commander deck around him!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2014, 10:28:56 AM
Green and blue are very good commander colours too!

Use him with all those 'draw X cards' spells. And that snake that gets counters whenever you draw.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2014, 10:33:29 AM
and the zegan/vegana smic lady. use colourless mana for other sweet x spells, or counter spells
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2014, 10:39:58 AM
Uh oh, that might be an annoying deck!  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 10, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
some groups just ban blue from commander.

I won't be good enough to make the deck really good, but I definitely think it could be!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 10, 2014, 01:35:46 PM
You can't ban blue!  :Ohmy:  Then I could only play Ghave.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 11, 2014, 09:59:37 AM
I quite like this:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/987QzSmB5N_EN.jpg)

Trigger heroic and win some tokens.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 11, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
Looks very good for limited, or restricted standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2014, 11:11:13 PM
The best thing about the Muzzy Izzet commander deck is drawing loads of cards for no real purpose. Just because I can!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2014, 08:53:20 AM
Orzhov god:

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Athreos-God-of-Passage-Journey-into-Nyx.png)


King Midas:

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/King-Macar-Journey-into-Nyx.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2014, 08:54:44 AM
Sheep!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/Dl8ZgcM8jU_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 15, 2014, 09:18:43 AM
Rufus, you know how you hate prossh and marath because they abuse the commandzone? I’m sure you know, but (I only just put 2 and 2 together) all the 2013 commanders do this.
Seems a weird brief for commander design. “let’s release a set of 5 commanders who all fundamentally change the games central mechanic”.
Maybe people get annoyed when their commander just dies all the time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2014, 10:15:37 AM
Yes - I use Derevi, who also massively abuses the command zone by always casting himself for 4!  ::heretic::

I guess Wizards thought it was something new and interesting they could do, but maybe didn't put in enough development time. So the commanders (apart from the grixis one, apparently) are pretty broken.

I think Ghave is a perfectly-designed commander, because he enables a huge variety of different decks without being too obnoxious himself. That commander set also had horrible things like Kaalia and Riku though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 16, 2014, 12:01:06 PM
hall of triumph art is really nice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 16, 2014, 12:48:49 PM
Good card, too.


On the other hand, I just saw the name 'god hunter octopus' on a spoiler list and got excited.

Then I saw it, and it sucks.  :icon_sad:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlRnL6YCYAAtnXA.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 16, 2014, 12:53:51 PM
"godhunter, but actually not"

they should have actually made it a god remover! Because currently, it can't kill gods, and it sucks as a creature.

that is one of the worst cards I've ever seen
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 16, 2014, 01:07:06 PM
It wouldn't have been so bad as a rubbish blue common if they hadn't given it such an awesome name! I feel like I've been trolled.

That fluff text must be intended ironically as well.

I don't even like the art! You can hardly see what it is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2014, 09:40:12 AM
Fixed oblivion ring (you can't use timing tricks to permanently exile something with this like you could with the ring).

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/IFNqbcqrHT_EN.jpg)


Grave Pact with flash.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/hy0nIApPWx_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 17, 2014, 10:17:56 AM
Woo, 8 o-rings!!!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
I don't think you need that many!


Also:

(http://www.planeswalkerslibrary.com/images/jou/007.jpg?4.13.2014)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 17, 2014, 01:41:03 PM
"shit, we made the gods too good. what shall we do!"

to me, this looks like a too-powerful over reaction.

 That's gonna be well expensive!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 17, 2014, 02:44:32 PM
It does look a bit extreme!

I thought Revoke Existence in the last set was good enough as a god-remover.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 17, 2014, 02:54:28 PM
It should be 4 mana or something. There are now loads of quite good god removers. White is already beastly anyway with the cheaty planeswalker and lion king.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2014, 09:00:19 AM
It looks like the full list is up. I strongly approve of these two chimeras. Oh, one's a cockatrice.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/PbvzKab1t5_EN.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/8Ju9Wc54Xr_EN.jpg)


Also, people on the MTG salvation forum hate everything ever!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 19, 2014, 06:47:33 AM
Highly approve of that cockatrice.
Might be worth sticking in simic decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on April 21, 2014, 10:50:52 PM
I got a bunch of cards at Pax East. One of the MTG booth guys was walking around at the end of the third day handing out free decks and boosters.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 22, 2014, 04:27:31 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mrloganrhoades/man-goes-to-magic-the-gathering-tournament-poses-next-to-but?bffb

(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr05/11/10/enhanced-32000-1394547914-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 25, 2014, 01:06:31 PM
Yuck! Sort your trousers out, magic players.


I got a bunch of cards at Pax East. One of the MTG booth guys was walking around at the end of the third day handing out free decks and boosters.

Free cards! Nice. Do you play Magic then, Cannon?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 25, 2014, 01:18:45 PM
Juast accidentally bought a Spanish cilfftop retreat.

Lol!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 25, 2014, 01:22:23 PM
How did you manage that! No English ones in stock?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 25, 2014, 01:25:15 PM
They had loads in stock!
I clicked on the cheapest ones, 2,34 instead of 2.40.



Refugio en la cima.

Lol.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on April 25, 2014, 01:25:18 PM
I like that pic....compared to those guys I am still slim.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 25, 2014, 01:43:12 PM
I clicked on the cheapest ones, 2,34 instead of 2.40.

At least you saved 6p!



Quote from: Fandir Nightshade
compared to those guys I am still slim.

Ha!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on April 26, 2014, 12:02:04 AM
I got a bunch of cards at Pax East. One of the MTG booth guys was walking around at the end of the third day handing out free decks and boosters.

Free cards! Nice. Do you play Magic then, Cannon?

Sort of. I don't really have anyone to play with.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 26, 2014, 12:23:53 PM
So I guess the cards will be on gccg soon, will this mean a revival in us playing? Or have you guys been playing anyways. For some reason that last set didn't grab me enough to keep it up long. 3 whole sets will be nice though. More theme potential...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 26, 2014, 02:42:34 PM
we've been playing the very occasional game of EDH.
maybe like, 2 games since you were last on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 27, 2014, 10:44:05 AM
Apparently, it is possible (but extremely unlikely) to get a journey to nix booster that contains all fifteen gods! Crazy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2014, 10:13:59 AM
there's a million grave/sac generals I want to try

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373665&type=card)

I guess this guy isn't too useful. would be better if he could do 2 damage to creature or player. in fact, does his 2nd ability work with the command zone?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=107363&type=card)
a better/more useful version of tymaret?


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=376498&type=card)
fun and utility, but not targeted? and probablyu don't want to sac enchants or artis too often. bonus for being 3 colour, as would let me include all the others!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=290534&type=card)
jarad.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=89113&type=card)
ok, but cant sac on her own




(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=23321&type=card)
this is an epicly trolltastic edh commander. So quite want to try for amusements sake.





might plump for goblins or lyzolda... guess you can take several artifacts you want to sac.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2014, 10:23:43 AM
I'd use the Shattergang Brothers (hey, they come in the Prossh precon!). As you said, for the three colours and so you can include the others in the deck.

There are ways to make enchantment and artifact tokens to sac (theros has enchantment creature tokens). Oh, and rancor returns to your hand if you sack it!


Tymaret (and Jarad's) ability to return from the graveyard does work if they are the commander, because you can choose to allow your commander to go to the grave when he dies instead of the command zone. You can then retrieve him and recast at the normal cost. Just like you can allow your commander to be exiled with an oblivion ring, if you know you can remove the ring and get him back. You never have to go to the command zone if it would be disadvantageous to do so.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2014, 10:33:23 AM
ive cast shatgangbros a few times, but you always killed them immediately!

if I use shatgang, i'd stick glissa in as well, to bring my artis back.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=214072&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2014, 10:40:51 AM
Rules q, could you cast “fork”, duplicate a counter spell, counter the counter, so the original spell is cast?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2014, 10:44:51 AM
Yuck, Glissa is a dirty second Mirrodin block card. Do you have to?


Rules q, could you cast “fork”, duplicate a counter spell, counter the counter, so the original spell is cast?

Yes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2014, 10:48:09 AM
I’m gonna put loads of artifacts in it for shatgang to use! Mwahahaha.
colourless creatures ensure less mana screwage too.


forktastic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2014, 11:00:47 AM
If it's all dirty mirrodin stuff I'm going to sulk and refuse to play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2014, 11:20:36 AM
you do that anyway if I win.

EY OOOOO


I wont use infect, or blightsteel colossus.

oh, when my cards arrived, ellie said "did you see a package arrived?" I said "oh yes, that's Ģ25 of magic cards" she said "at least it isn't Ģ25 of magic card". made me lol.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2014, 11:37:54 AM
I would actually murder you if you had the temerity to use blightsteel colossus. I make no apology for that.


Quote
oh, when my cards arrived, ellie said "did you see a package arrived?" I said "oh yes, that's Ģ25 of magic cards" she said "at least it isn't Ģ25 of magic card"

ha!

I've discovered a dodgy old land card I have is worth 60 quid! I need to ebay it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2014, 03:45:58 PM
I really want to buy Kruphix (the simic god), but I'm wondering if he'll drop a lot in price like Karametra did, due to only being used in commander.

He's pre-ordering at 6.40 at the moment, which is over my single-card threshold.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2014, 03:53:51 PM
don't want to use shartgang now!

"Well, this week I decided to get decidedly unfun and break boards with Shattergang Brothers. I watched a version of this deck that was barely tweaked from the precon the weekend Commander 2013 was released, and it was an absolute beating. If you weren't prepared with either a ton of sacrificial fodder or ready to aim all pinpoint creature removal at Shattergang Brothers, you couldn't keep creatures on the board. While I was horrified at how stagnant he forced games to become—basically everyone would just draw and pass their turn until they drew something to break the lock—I was impressed with the degree of board control this fellow exerted.

A word of caution: Shattergang Brothers is not the type of commander you bring to a table to have some fun. He's there to erase smiles and revel in tears. To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women. My own personal play style leans heavily toward the "everyone have fun" end of the spectrum, but there are Commander fans of all stripes. So consider this my shout out to the Spikes and Griefers out there. Even if that's not your typical style either, sometimes you sit down at a vicious table and need to bring a cannon to the gunfight."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2014, 03:57:39 PM
Oh! That does sound lame. There's nothing worse than a total lockdown - you've lost the game, but you have to keep playing for ages anyway until it's finally over.

It's probably better to chose something else then!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 28, 2014, 06:29:08 PM
I have a tymaret deck in standard, not sure if either of you remember playing against it but it did pretty well really!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 28, 2014, 06:41:41 PM
i think tymaret is better in standard, where you only have to ping 10 times.

vs say a 4 player edh game, where you'd have to ping 30 times!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 28, 2014, 07:02:54 PM
Very true. Plus there is plenty to use him on in standard as you can 4 up on the cards that really work with him.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 28, 2014, 09:08:22 PM
Yes, that tymeret deck was OK!

We need to play again, Siby!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 29, 2014, 12:01:16 AM
Might wait till the new set drops and have a flurry of sealeds?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 29, 2014, 12:13:05 AM
Yes! It's due soon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 29, 2014, 09:53:00 PM
Journey into Nyx is now on GCCG! Though the boosters aren't there yet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 29, 2014, 11:06:37 PM
Just updated on the laptop.  8-)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 30, 2014, 09:31:32 AM
I think Deicide is really going to warp standard.

some of the art is terri-bad

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/7GpwtLPEg9_EN.jpg)

lol

playable Kraken for rufus

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/jou/aasd7y23m34co/Nln9AslfEg_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 30, 2014, 12:28:11 PM
Considering even in a dual colour deck you will probably have 4 or so islands out that is quite board wipey!

And yes, the art has been on the whole a bit disappointing for this entire Greek thing. Probably partially why I have found it easy to get bored of it sadly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 07, 2014, 03:36:09 PM
I like the kraken.

The event deck really sucks though, despite being blue/red:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1484

No dual land? Come on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 07, 2014, 03:52:13 PM
Sealed with 2 of each?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 07, 2014, 03:52:57 PM
That sounds good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 07, 2014, 06:29:15 PM
I'm not using Bitterblossom in EDH because it's 40 quid!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 07, 2014, 10:40:29 PM
Huh, must be price inflation due to Modern. Like that Bant mana elf that ridiculously also costs 40 quid.

Modern is lame!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 10, 2014, 02:55:46 PM
Rules question anyone?

I have Kruphix, and the devotion to make him a creature

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380446&type=card)

Finlay plays enslave on him:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=122413&type=card)

So, now he controls Kruphix... but, lacking devotion, Kruphix stops being a creature. Now the enchantment has an illegal target. Does Kruphix return to me at once? I think so.

 :icon_question:


EDIT: found the answer!

Quote
303.4c If an Aura is enchanting an illegal object or player as defined by its enchant ability and other applicable effects, the object it was attached to no longer exists, or the player it was attached to has left the game, the Aura is put into its owner’s graveyard. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)

http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Aura

So you can't steal a god with an aura unless you have devotion.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 10, 2014, 03:21:00 PM
Lyzolda sucks and I hate her
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 10, 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Oh dear.

We only played one and a half games though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 11, 2014, 11:56:34 AM
I hate five-colour decks.

Rubbish!  :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 11, 2014, 06:37:45 PM
I don't like lyzolda, boring!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 12, 2014, 07:52:56 AM
Anyone else having an EDH Elf deck?  :-)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 12, 2014, 10:03:14 AM
Hey, welcome to the forum!  :::cheers:::  We need more magic players here!

I haven't made a tribal EDH deck yet. Since there have been some very nasty elves printed over the years, your deck must have had some evil combos to rival Mr. Goblin's deck.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 12, 2014, 11:05:51 AM
Thanks!   :eusa_clap:

Sadly enough it doesn't matter how much nasty elves you have if infinite Goblin combo's appear...

But we shall have our revenge moehaha :evil:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 12, 2014, 11:25:07 AM
So the elfy deck is more making huge elfs to beatface with and cool interactions, not infinite combos.

We should have carried on playing that game after he infinited us!


Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 12, 2014, 11:39:12 AM
No... we should have finished him when we had the chance, instead of showing pity...

Ow well... Let's redo our game next year!

Prepare for the true teror of my elves!  :-o
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 12, 2014, 11:41:21 AM
Blame rufus for that, although I don't think he was expecting an infinite combo!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 12, 2014, 11:46:14 AM
No one did :D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 12, 2014, 11:48:07 AM
I definitely wasn't expecting one, though I should have been: Kiki Jiki is never used without an infinite combo of some sort. Next time I'll be meaner!

The elves looked more threatening since they got off to a better start. They absorbed a lot of my firepower.

Hey, couldn't Marath have fired off two points of damage and killed him mid-combo? Or was Marath not in play? I guess not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 12, 2014, 12:30:34 PM
You know what I have noticed? Every other post or so is usually one of us saying that we hate something.

That leaves two rather disturbing options.

1. We are whiny and need to get it together.
2. The game is full of stupid overpowered things making it nigh impossible to have decent games.

These are both quite unfortunate!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 12, 2014, 12:33:48 PM
I usually don't mean it when I say I hate something! Or I do mean it, but only at that moment.

I really like magic, and usually the games are fine!


p.s. you need to be on GCCG more, Siby.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 12, 2014, 03:31:28 PM
We’re definitely too whiny. And also form opinions about stuff too early/based on certain situations. Think our opinion is also warped because I mostly play dual edh which removes all the politics, and makes some matchups horrid.

I hate the Horrid Hat (helm of possession), but in a 4 player game with 3 other peoples decks worth of arti-hate, it’s not likely to stick around. I lost a game yesterday because Lyzolda got enchanted (well, I’d have probably lost anyway) and RB has no enchant-hate.

There’s also a sort of “edh code of conduct” where it’s expected to be more casual than other formats. Stuff like infinite combos, certain power-cards (blightsteel colossus) etc are frowned upon. One guy on star city said “EDH is about getting to play your game, while also letting your opponent play his”.
 I also personally frown upon tutoring as it removes the randomness of it, which is surely the point. My Krenko and doran standard decks got boring because they played the same everytime. But not sure if tutoring is frowned upon like I know infinites are by other players.

Of course, like any game, some people do want to take it to extreme power levels. That’s ok as long as you don’t get cross-purpose playing. I imagine both me and a tourney player would have a bad time if we played a standard game.

I also think our dip in play has uncoincidentally timed with theros, which just doesn’t have “it”. We played loads more RTR and innistrad.


Rufuses blood artists did make me actually angry in one real life game! I almost went “table flipper” on him. Ha ha.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 12, 2014, 06:12:20 PM
Rufuses blood artists did make me actually angry in one real life game! I almost went “table flipper” on him. Ha ha.

Blood artist rules  :icon_biggrin: you would definitely hate my vampire deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 12, 2014, 06:54:28 PM
Rufuses blood artists did make me actually angry in one real life game! I almost went “table flipper” on him. Ha ha.

You should have! The best you can do on GCCG is just close the program, surely not as satisfying.  :-P

p.s. you need to be on GCCG more, Siby.

Today maybe?


We’re definitely too whiny. And also form opinions about stuff too early/based on certain situations.

Possibly true. Magic is a game of extremes though isn't it. Often times you can feel pretty early on if you've lost (barring some miracle draw, but the question is whether you want to draw it out 10 more minutes on that slight chance).

There’s also a sort of “edh code of conduct” where it’s expected to be more casual than other formats. Stuff like infinite combos, certain power-cards (blightsteel colossus) etc are frowned upon. One guy on star city said “EDH is about getting to play your game, while also letting your opponent play his”.
 I also personally frown upon tutoring as it removes the randomness of it, which is surely the point. My Krenko and doran standard decks got boring because they played the same everytime. But not sure if tutoring is frowned upon like I know infinites are by other players.

This is where it gets tricky. In standard standard, it's pretty well easily confined. Unless you agree to play friendly, you know what you're getting and hence what you need to bring.

But EDH is so wide open. I feel like most EDH decks I make are just rubbish cos I don't have a wide card knowledge or get too hung up on how it synergises (hmm, that doesn't seem to be a word) with itself. I kinda want to play edh with cards I like but when you and rufus are using the premade ones, those things are made to work together (even if that have a few duff cards in). It really is a very foggy format and I guess playing on GCCG does make it quite unrealistic in that one can take literally any card they want!

I may need to get better at making decks with themes I like but that synergise better.

Also, yes, I wanted to like Theros but between the lackluster art and slightly uninspired rules, it hasn't grabbed me. In theory it is a great theme. All sorts of classic monsters. I wonder if it will be one which will be fun to pull certain cards out of to throw into EDH decks and such.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 12, 2014, 09:48:18 PM
The precons are actually terrible edh decks.

And my main deck on gccg that I use (modified marath) I do actually have in real life. Almost all the cards were under 1 pound, apart from three dual lands I splashed out 2.40 each on.

Look up decks online for ideas!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 12, 2014, 10:15:36 PM
I have four EDH decks in real life that I also use on GCCG.

So I don't just use any card in existence.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 12, 2014, 10:56:09 PM
that's what I like most about EDH. sure there are just the expensive and powerful cards, but i like finding the cheap cards whcih work well.

ivy lane denizen is a jank common. in my Marath, and Rufuses Ghave, it's suddenly amazing.

Gorgon flail. No one would really bother using it. Give it to Marath, deathbringer thoctar or goblin sniper, and it's almost too good for EDH!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 13, 2014, 12:00:14 AM
Maybe my problem is that I have never bought a card. All my cards (and I have tonnes!) are from drafts.

But it sounds like your Edh decks are pretty average and not built around combos so maybe I can get away with making one with stuff I like. Will give it a try.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 13, 2014, 12:06:49 AM
I've never done a draft, and only bought 2 boosters! All my cards are single bought, cheap ones I've tested on gccg.
Its probably quite a unique entry into magic, actually.

The dexks have combos/interactions. Just not infinite combos.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 13, 2014, 12:46:03 AM
Sorry, yeh I meant all built around your boss guy or something like those precon ones seem to be. I didn't realise they are not very good. It always seemed like they were built to compliment their commanders and those commanders who could do stuff from the command zone seemed really hard to beat.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 13, 2014, 07:44:43 AM
Blame rufus for that, although I don't think he was expecting an infinite combo!
"Hides in vis cave, plotting for next year."
"I will make a nice one for then."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 13, 2014, 08:35:07 AM
Sorry, yeh I meant all built around your boss guy or something like those precon ones seem to be. I didn't realise they are not very good. It always seemed like they were built to compliment their commanders and those commanders who could do stuff from the command zone seemed really hard to beat.
The command zone interfering commanders (all the new ones!) are good. Fundamentally breaking the rules of EDH. BUT they’re not the best generals as they’re not that degenerative in general. They’re good for noobs, as (as you said) it’s easy to build the deck around them and make interactions. And you don’t have to think as much when you WANT marath/prossh to die, or don’t care when derevi does.

But the precons are about 50% jank. They do have some interactions built in, but also a lot of weird cards, too much land, and a lot of bad cards. mine is changed quite drastically- if I hadn’t been able to buy it at like 50% off from wayland, it probably would have been cheaper just to buy all 100 cards of my new version as singles.

For you building a deck- I think it’s a good idea to build around the commander, but also build a deck that can function without them, unless they have really low cmc. My lyzolda deck is totally built around her, but I can afford to cast her a few times.
Where as my Aurelia one, I wont be able to cast her once she’s died a couple times!

The new theros Gods make good commanders as they have quite low cmc, are hard to remove, give good abilities, and then can turn into Swingers once you’ve built up your board state.

Pick colours you like, then go from there is my suggestion! I’ve read a bunch of different sites/articles on EDH, and look up decks for deck and card ideas. You can also normally find interactions on the card review section of gatherer. But it does take ages to build them, so if you’re not that bothered I can see it being a problem!

I would like to play more multi edh on the programme, but it’s always problematic. And I cant be on it late atm, as ted keeps waking up at 5.30 (and ruining my life)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 13, 2014, 03:49:59 PM
The other issue we seem to have with Edh multiplayer is that someone either gets stuck and spends an hour dying or one person gets something so dominant out no one can pull something to stop them. That's ok when in real life and people are fully engaged in the game but when online it is easy to not be fully engaged and it takes three times as long. I think if we do more three player we would need to commit to giving it our full concentration and keep the speed up to keep it engaging and allow it to flow.

I will see what kinda deck i can get together. I probably need to stop thinking in terms of theme and more in terms of what works best together. My limited knowledge should stop that from being uber powerful!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 13, 2014, 04:06:28 PM
The other issue we seem to have with Edh multiplayer is that someone either gets stuck and spends an hour dying or one person gets something so dominant out no one can pull something to stop them. That's ok when in real life and people are fully engaged in the game but when online it is easy to not be fully engaged and it takes three times as long. I think if we do more three player we would need to commit to giving it our full concentration and keep the speed up to keep it engaging and allow it to flow.

I will see what kinda deck i can get together. I probably need to stop thinking in terms of theme and more in terms of what works best together. My limited knowledge should stop that from being uber powerful!

I would contend with the decks we play, there is nothing so powerful you can't pull something to stop them.
horrid hat- arti removal. horde of pegasuses- plenty of card to deal 1 damage to everything, board wipe, token wipe etc.

but yes, full concentration. I'm bad for this! I've found with FTL though, I can play that and still see all the magic window, to follow what people are doing and see when it's my turn.


theme and working together = marath beasts!
creatures over 5 to trigger card draw from garruk's packleader, and damage from warstorm surge. creatures that interact with beasts, etc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 13, 2014, 04:10:24 PM
It annoys me when people take ages on their turn because they're doing something else!  ::heretic::

Our EDH decks are super-soft. They aren't like the ones people play in the wild at all! My Ghave deck doesn't have a single infinite combo, even though he infinite combos with more things than any other card (probably).

And I don't play Derevi as lockdown with winter orbs and all that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 13, 2014, 04:15:03 PM
limited dual lands, no dodgy equipments!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 13, 2014, 05:18:37 PM
Well hopefully I will be ok then.

Not fully sure what an infinite combo is, sounds like it should be some effect that triggers endlessly, in which case doesn't it just kill the game?

I'm making a deck without using gatherer so hopefully it won't just be full of 5* cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 13, 2014, 06:29:43 PM
infinite combos are things which immediately win the game, yes. generating infinite mana, infinite creatures, infinite damage etc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 13, 2014, 09:30:38 PM
So i have a kithkin as my general!

Also, might try and get on in 1/2 hour or so, dunno if that is too late...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 13, 2014, 09:39:19 PM
It's not the green/white one that stops people casting spells is it?  :ph34r: Gaddog Teeg or something?

I might be on to play! Though last time you ran away when you saw I was there...

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 13, 2014, 10:01:46 PM
Yeh its that one!

And I hope not to run away! Need to feed the animals and i will be jumping on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 13, 2014, 10:04:11 PM
You've gone for the one where all the gatherer comments say, "don't play this guy as your EDH general or everyone will hate you."

I don't think he does much against my decks though!


Edit: grrrr, he's a pest. I need a deck that his ability won't work on at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2014, 01:42:36 AM
Oops!

He doesn't really bring much else to the deck though so I reckon he might be ok? You probably could have beaten me in that second one had you have pushed even harder, dunno. It got so crazy big it was hard to fathom the logistics.

I got super lucky to get all 3 gods though.

Hope my deck is ok, only put about 1/2 hour into making it I think and didn't search any of it, just trawled a few of the sets.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 09:07:37 AM
He's just a bit mean. "You can't play some of the cards in your deck because of my hobbit general!" Can't you swap him for someone who does something good for you, rather than just locking down the opponent? It seems a bit anti-EDH to use a general like that. I felt pretty sad that I couldn't play perfectly reasonable cards in my hand unless I could remove him first. It's worse than being constantly counterspelled.

You could make Karametra your general, for example. Which would probably be better for you. And less upsetting for your opponent.

Also, didn't you cast Harmonise while Gaddog was in play? You can't! It's a 4-mana spell, so he bans it.


Your deck is good otherwise!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2014, 09:30:44 AM
Not sure when I hit harmonise. The second game I didn't play him immediately, but I may have done.

I figured his pathetic body and lack of defence would mean he would just be constantly removed. Is it a bad sign that the first deck I make is already broken?!  :| he doesn't seem any meaner than ghave dishing out counters where needed to push the win, but that may just be the being on the other side syndrome.

I don't really like karametra that much. I could have another look at general's but I can't really remember any of the other green white ones I liked.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2014, 09:41:53 AM
Hmm, there is captain sisay and sigurda who are alright. Could try one of those...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 10:09:51 AM
It's not that he's broken - he'd be fine as a card in the deck. But as the general, he's going to be there from turn two every game, stopping people casting the big spells that EDH is supposed to support! So really, he's making things less fun for your opponent while not really doing anything fun for you.

Removing him is hard, since he shuts down x-spells and anything that costs 4 or more. So unless I happen to draw the few cards that can kill him, he's not going anywhere. And since he only costs 2 you can recast him again and again.

There must be millions of green/white generals, since it's an allied colour pair (unlike the enemy pairs who only have 6 or so each).


Sorry to complain already! Kruphix just wanted to cast his urban evolution!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 11:35:26 AM
he doesn't seem any meaner than ghave dishing out counters where needed to push the win

The difference is ghave doesn't stop you doing what you want to. You both get to play your decks, where as Gaddock locks down the opponent.

Although I think it is better, not worse, than getting counterspelled all the time! there's a dodgy blue commander who does horrible counterspell stuff.

Also Iona, shield of emeria is frowned upon for her lockdownability.


I think karametra looks like a fun commander!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 11:39:57 AM
The dodgy blue one is banned though. So it won't ever be an issue.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 11:41:01 AM
There was a quote I read saying something like "edh is about letting your opponent play his game while yuou play yours" but I cant find it.


but http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/multiplayer/”http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/17976_You_Lika_The_Juice_An_EDH_Primer_Part_3.html”:

Not long after Star City alum Tom LaPille joined Wizards of the Coast and began writing for them he talked about designing "griefer" cards in Magic. Basically these cards are designed for players who don’t want to just win but they find enjoyment in making other players miserable. In Part 1 of the primer I went on at some length talking about being careful about choosing a General and one of my examples was choosing a general that annoys the table without sufficiently shutting down everyone. That same warning applies to other cards you put in your deck.

Some years back there was a Vintage player who wanted to give multiplayer Magic a try without a group so he expanded on his very most favorite Vintage deck - Parfait. The White-based Vintage deck was all about shutting down everyone’s paths to victory before finally – finally after a long long time—claiming victory. His group game deck did the same thing and he was casting a never ending stream of Wraths Armageddons Humility Balance Moat Island Sanctuary... each card seemingly chosen specifically to annoy the crap out of everyone at the table without actually knocking them out of the game. He would eventually win with 1/1 Pegasus tokens—but this was before Storm Herd came out that could actually make enough to win in decisive fashion. No losing to him was death by a million paper cuts.

He stopped playing after a while because he felt like he was always being ganged up on. And he was! You know why? Because he’d drawn those battle lines—it’s me having fun over here on this side by myself and all of you getting annoyed over there on that side. He had forced everyone to gang up on him. I would highly recommend you avoiding drawing those sorts of battle lines because they are a recipe for disaster.

Griefer cards aren’t always as easy to spot as say Winter Orb or Hokori Dust Drinker. Sometimes they look like goofy little cards that everyone will have fun with. Take for instance Zur’s Weirding. This global enchantment affects everyone equally so what’s the harm in that? The problem of course is that players don’t typically want their hands out there on the table for everyone to see. They also don’t want everyone else having veto power over their draw step. Since you can actually prevent them from drawing a card that can get rid of Zur’s Weirding players may decide to get rid of it by getting rid of you.

What about Warp World? That’s a tricky call since most people recognize it as a total hoot to play and even play against in Standard. But what’s fun in a duel becomes a potential headache in EDH! First there are the mechanics—you gotta shuffle all your permanents back into a hundred-card deck. Sure you "shuffle" the deck after tutoring but you don’t really give it as good a thorough randomization as you should. But if you’re shuffling 10 or 20 permanents back into your deck you really do need to break it down and shuffle it good. Not everyone is adept at shuffling such a large deck.

Then there’s the problem of stolen cards—not literally stolen but say you control someone else’s creature due to a Sower of Temptation and you inadvertently shuffled it into your deck from the Warp World. If you or the creature’s owner don’t catch the mistake it’s totally possible you accidentally walk home with someone else’s card in your deck. Cards like Thieves' Auction Blatant Thievery and Cultural Exchange all have a high probability for accidentally taking someone’s card home with you and I would tend to avoid them.

Shahrazad isn’t officially banned but there’s a House rule at Richmond Comix that you cannot play that card. This came after someone played it about 4 hours into the EDH game and the subgame took 3 hours to resolve. Not everyone is going to think that adding a lot of extra time onto an already long game is funny. Thankfully I wasn’t there to experience that crazy long game though I would have urged everyone else to concede the subgame to the guy who played Shahrazad lose the life then call a truce until we eliminated him from the game.

I would also include spells that "destroy all lands" as griefer cards since setting everyone’s resources back to zero has a strong probability of annoying a lot of people at the table.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 11:51:04 AM
Good article! A lockdown deck in a slow format is especially criminal.

I'm not sure about 'destroy all lands' being off the table though. Surely it's a legitimate answer to people over-ramping? If I have five land and my opponent has 9 or something, isn't it fair enough for me to blow them all up? The same as if they have more creatures than I do so I cast wrath of god.

Maybe it's because, back when I first played, people destroyed lands all the time. You got into the habit of holding lands back in your hand in case of an armageddon.

I have armageddon in my Derevi and Ghave decks, and fully intend to cast them if I ever draw them at the right moment!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2014, 12:32:07 PM
Well maybe i will give sigurda a go. At least she is a 5/5 flyer so she can do some damage.

The problem with the white green god is that you cant put it out till turn 5 or 6 at least and by then how good is the land really? Handy but not really essential.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 12:35:47 PM
Typical Rufus hypocrisy!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 12:37:17 PM
Sigurda is amazing! She's a cheap 5/5 flier that is very hard to kill.


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The problem with the white green god is that you cant put it out till turn 5 or 6 at least and by then how good is the land really? Handy but not really essential.

In commander, it's definitely good. Turn five is early.


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Typical Rufus hypocrisy

What? My stance on armageddon?  :icon_confused:

It's OK to constantly ramp out land, but not to destroy them?


I guess I could take armageddon out though. Should I?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 02:06:13 PM
Just thought it was funny, you agreed with article but disliked his hypotheses on MLD, because you want to use it! I definitely think you’re conditioned to it from using it/playing vs it before.
 I know MLD is a contentious issue “on the internet” for EDH players, perhaps that means it has more consensus than say blightsteel colossus and other griefy stuff, but still considered by some to be too griefy.

You haven’t used one yet, so I don’t know how annoying it is! (although YMCA Miner annoys me as it is). If it stops you doing stuff to, it would be ok I guess.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 02:16:23 PM
Destroying non-basics is definitely fine, especially with targeted stuff like strip mine and dwarf miner. It's not OK to expect your Kessig Wolf Run or whatever to be left alone.

Destroying all land, including basics, is more contentious. But if it's not allowed, people get really greedy with their land! There's no risk to going, "ramp, ramp, ramp, ginormous spell."

It's also funny how the 'no tutoring' rule never applies to land searching.   :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 02:33:22 PM
strip mine doesn't annoy me because it's one off.

ymca miner has to be removed immediately or he fucks you over!

isn't ramp ramp ramp, ginormous spell, sort of the point of EDH? and not being able to do so (well, not the ramp, just the spell) was what annoyed you about Gaddock! MLD stops your opponent doing anything. stalltastic.


ha! good point. although I think the only non basic searching I have is in lyzolda, and I fucking hate that deck.

That guy who wrote the article I linked to also says to avoid "stealing" effects, as they increase the possibility of accidentally stealing peoples cards for real! I can DEFINITELY see me doing this, given my propensity to shuffle Marath into my deck.
Interesting to bear in mind, as searching for lands is a really shit part of EDH in real life.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 02:59:49 PM
The miner is punishment for relying too much on non-basics. That's a good thing! You have to be careful how many non-basics you use. Oh, and strip mine isn't a one-off if I recur it with life from the loam.  :icon_razz:

Yes, it's OK to ramp like crazy and then cast big stuff. But if you do, you run the risk of overextending yourself. Then your lands get wrecked and you're in trouble. But it happened because of the way you chose to play! Risk vs reward. If you play a massive swarm of creatures and someone nukes them, you don't get to complain. But lands seem to have special status. You can ramp them up, confident that no one is allowed to touch them. It's unfair.

If you're planning to cast armageddon, you save some lands in your hand so that you can recover before your opponent and win. So it's more likely to end the game than stall it.

Gaddog, by the way, doesn't just shut down ginormous spells. He shuts down medium-sized spells. He shuts down all X-spells. He's the king of the trolls. He hates Magic!

Land searching is necessary in EDH to avoid horrible colour problems, but it does take a while... which is one of the complaints people have about normal tutoring. So maybe it's OK to use stuff like demonic tutor as well. I'm not sure.

'Stealing' cards definitely happens! I've found cards in my decks before that didn't belong to me. Fortunately, they belonged to my niece so I could just give them back. But imagine if you accidentally stole from some guy at the gaming club? Awkward! It happens when you put auras on enemy creatures as well as when you use steal effects.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 03:11:55 PM
Land is in a special category yes. If all your creatures die, just cast more! If all your land is gone, it takes ages to start again, and you’ll probably end up having to discard a bunch of cards as you draw into land.

I think the logic your applying, risk reward, playstyle, could be argued about with loads of counterspells, infect, or whatever other dodgy/annoying mechanic you want to use.

Does it fit the edh tenet “play my deck while playing yours”. Do we want to fit that tenet anyway?

I’m not adverse to people having a couple of tutors. Isn’t demonic one of the least beardy ones? I forget which one is beardy out of demonr/diabolic. I just think too many tutors ruins the randomness, where as land tutoring just stops mana screwage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 03:31:10 PM
rufus, have you got an account on MTGS?

"I find this poll interesting, but I tend to feel the people that frequent mtgs are the more competitive of the edh player base, or the more open minded to strategies. The everything is fair group. I am sure many small metas dislike mass land D, I think much of that stigma comes from peoples love of green ramp and feeling that they shouldn't have any repercussions for it."

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/201162-thoughts-on-land-destruction
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 03:35:55 PM
btw, it's really weird how un-populated GCCG is. I know it's a bit clunky, but its mtg, for free! mtg has a huge base, and charge for MTGO

apparently there was a different one called "cockatrice" which wizards modbanned!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 04:06:58 PM
Maybe not many people know about GCCG? But it's just as well it's not packed with people, or we'd never get a table!

No, I don't post on MTGS. I just read it sometimes. I think people are a bit mean there... and also they use annoying buzzwords like 'meta' that fill me with rage. It's interesting that they don't seem to mind mass land destruction though.


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Land is in a special category yes. If all your creatures die, just cast more! If all your land is gone, it takes ages to start again, and you’ll probably end up having to discard a bunch of cards as you draw into land.

But it seems a fair answer to something like Prossh (remember him?) which abuses a ton of mana to constantly recast himself and make millions of kobolds. Blow up the lands and he can't come back!

It needs to be an option so that there is a counter to over-ramping.

Also, what if all your creatures die and you don't draw any more for ages? You sit there, unable to do anything, while you wait to draw more. Not so different from losing all your lands.


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Isn’t demonic one of the least beardy ones?

No, it's the most beardy one! But I have the card. I also have the four, beardy, mirage-block tutors.  :icon_razz:

Maybe a couple of tutors are OK, since they can let you find the tools to break out of a nasty lock or losing game-state. But if you're using them to find your kill-card every time, it's lame. Tricky.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2014, 04:32:08 PM
You know gannog totally didn't shut you down in either game. Game 1 you steamrolled me with creatures (which he is no help against). Game 2 I'm not so sure but we both had a billion things out. He actually probably only hates a small portion o most decks. And all you need do is sneeze on him and he dies.  :-P

Talking of shutting someone down what about that dude who ate my hand and then kept me in constant topdecking mode. He is just a meany!

So I guess with the tutoring hate you guys don't want me to use the guy who tutors legends?  :engel:


Another little comment on the woodlouse god, the land is nice yes but my deck was not built around needing loads of mana. The main usage I got out of all that land was just recasting guys you kept bouncing *cough lockdown cough* . It's a bit like the populate legend, really good, but only in a deck that had lots of token stuff going on. Well, better than that, but same theory.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 04:35:08 PM
You know gannog totally didn't shut you down in either game. Game 1 you steamrolled me with creatures (which he is no help against). Game 2 I'm not so sure but we both had a billion things out. He actually probably only hates a small portion o most decks. And all you need do is sneeze on him and he dies.  :-P

Talking of shutting someone down what about that dude who ate my hand and then kept me in constant topdecking mode. He is just a meany!

So I guess with the tutoring hate you guys don't want me to use the guy who tutors legends?  :engel:


Another little comment on the woodlouse god, the land is nice yes but my deck was not built around needing loads of mana. The main usage I got out of all that land was just recasting guys you kept bouncing *cough lockdown cough* . It's a bit like the populate legend, really good, but only in a deck that had lots of token stuff going on. Well, better than that, but same theory.  :-P

hey I just noticed that Gaddock doesn't work at all vs creatures.
He'd be a peace of piss for Marath then. I'd just shoot him whenever I needed to.


But Siby, if you weren't using Gaddock as general, you'd just put in the bigger green stuff.

maybe!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2014, 04:40:02 PM
hey I just noticed that Gaddock doesn't work at all vs creatures.
He'd be a peace of piss for Marath then. I'd just shoot him whenever I needed to.

I'm tellin ya, he's not that scary  :-P. I think he only stopped rufus casting one thing, or at least one thing he really wanted to, and he still won against me. Even in game two I reckon Rufus might have been able to beat me had he have been trying harder. I think he went easy on me. Or maybe it was just getting so complicated he couldn't be bothered. It was certainly getting that way!


So I am about to start making a red/white deck with Gisela... sound ok? She is not too cheap at least...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 04:42:47 PM
I guess people who have more complicated decks probably causes more problems. He wouldn't mess too much with Marath, anyway. or rather, I could still use the deck in other ways.


I have a R/W with Gisela too! he he.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2014, 04:44:55 PM
Yeh and all you have to do is kill him (do 2 damage, not too tricky)and the effect is gone giving a chance to blast those spells before he comes back. .

You have one already? Hmm, maybe I will go a diff way for now then. Want  variety...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 14, 2014, 04:51:16 PM
We caqn just not use it at the same time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2014, 04:53:19 PM
I'll probably come back to it, but I kinda want to make a Black Blue deck with Vela as my commander. She seems good but no where near uber powerful...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 14, 2014, 07:53:13 PM
And the program is installing the cards...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 10:32:39 PM
I hope you get it working soon, Novogord!


Siby: sorry about those games! Not getting enough land is annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 14, 2014, 11:33:02 PM
Yeh, I didn't leave in frustration though, my wife was ready to dog walk.

Can't believe i got so little land twice in a row though.

I think why I dislike derevi so much is perhaps similar as to why one might not like teeg, cheap to cast and locks down your opponent. It felt pointless casting any creatures once I could cos you could just tap them. And he just ramps the deck so fast too cos he can untap your lands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 14, 2014, 11:43:30 PM
But Derevi can't tap your creatures until he deals combat damage to you. Which is too late for it to matter! The only time he meaningfully taps a creature is when he comes into play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 15, 2014, 01:15:37 AM
True, though I remember it being in and out of the command zone like a yoyo before so I am guessing he was used to blocl, die and then come right back out constantly... Which is pretty handy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 15, 2014, 08:43:52 AM
Does anyone in here have a vampire EDH deck?

It's been a long time since I last played my vampire deck, so I'm turning it into EDH...

I'm not sure yet whether I'm going for mono black or black and white and which of below Commander's I should use:
- Vish kal, blood arbiter
- Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
- Anowon, the Ruin Sage
- Baron Sengir

Anyone having some advice for which cards I should definitely use? :D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 15, 2014, 09:32:08 AM
I wouldn’t go monoblack, just to add extra utility. Black and white gives you access to all the cool orzhov stuff

I’d probably go for Olivia voldaren myself, but you didn’t mention red!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 15, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
I'd also say Olivia Voldaren would be good, since you could then use all the red and black/red vampires from Innistrad (notably
Falkenrath Aristocrat and Stromkirk Captain). She's also 4 mana vs Vish Kal's 7, so easier to cast (and recast).

On the other hand, black/white is probably more powerful and versatile than black/red. And Vish Kal is really good.

Some vampires you should consider including: bloodline keeper (amazing token maker), blood artist and falkenrath noble, Butcher of Malakir, captivating vampire, malakir bloodwitch, necropolis regent.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 15, 2014, 10:02:03 AM
I tried anuwon but he was disappointing. Seems like in Edh everyone has plenty of creatures they don't mind saccing. Olivia on the other hand is cheap and probably a 5/5 flyer the next turn. Then you can either keep biting people to make her bigger or just start stealing them instead. Pretty cool.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 15, 2014, 10:04:33 AM
Playing mono-black is asking to be messed up by enchantments and artifacts, too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 15, 2014, 10:49:26 AM
Why does no one use this? Why don't I use this?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=230792&type=card)

Ghave wants this card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 15, 2014, 11:27:19 AM
I guess it gives opponents chance to kill it.

looks amazing though! i want it for anti ghave measures!

Playing mono-black is asking to be messed up by enchantments and artifacts, too!
indeed, and white gives you swords to plowshares, journey to nowhere, path to exile, oblivion ring, new oblivion ring and that indestructible bug one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 15, 2014, 11:53:45 AM
Stefaan also proposed Olivia Voldaren... But sadly enough I suck at playing red...
I'm thinking of making my deck in the same theme as my normal vampire deck, which is a life drain deck.
So would the red vampires fit in that type of deck or not?  :|

My normal deck was mono black and I had indeed often problems against enchantments and artifacts... A journey to nowhere and Oblivion ring would often come in handy...

Blood artist, Blood seeker, Kalastria Highborn Falkenrath Noble were already in my normal deck, so I definitely want to re-use them.
Bloodline keeper, Butcher of Malakir, captivating vampire, malakir bloodwitch, necropolis regent would indeed be nice in it.

Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet I also like ^^
I'm also thinking of using Sorin Markov and if I would go Black/white I could use Sorin, Lord of Innistrad...

Grimoire of the dead looks indeed nice... I quite like Rise of the Dark Realms. It a bigger mana cost (2 more mana in total, but all at once). However, you don't have to discard 3 cards (I hate discarding cards... have too much traumatic experience with it :D) and it's a bit more of a surprise for the opponents... Unless you have blue against you...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 15, 2014, 12:07:03 PM
except with GoD, you can discard creatures, before getting them back with it!


From what you’ve said, I’d go B/W. What about using orzhov-y stuff, as extort fits well with lifegain, and is super beardy in multiplayer EDH!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 15, 2014, 12:38:02 PM
except with GoD, you can discard creatures, before getting them back with it!


From what you’ve said, I’d go B/W. What about using orzhov-y stuff, as extort fits well with lifegain, and is super beardy in multiplayer EDH!
True, hut red ads terminate, dreadbore,...
What would you guys use as a black white budget base?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 15, 2014, 12:52:35 PM
except with GoD, you can discard creatures, before getting them back with it!

From what you’ve said, I’d go B/W. What about using orzhov-y stuff, as extort fits well with lifegain, and is super beardy in multiplayer EDH!

True... However, it takes several turns before you can use it. Even if the artifact is not destroyed or exiled, Players still have enough opportunity to reduce the effect with e.g. Nihil Spellbomb and Ravenous Trap. Ow well... it's edh... whatever you do, opponents allways have some surprise in their sleeve :D

I also thought of using card with extort, like e.g. Tithe Drinker has extort. But I was told that Thite Drinker wasn't that good :/

True, hut red ads terminate, dreadbore,...

Guess who really likes red ^^
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 15, 2014, 03:22:51 PM
You guys definitely need to get on gccg, imagine of there were 5 or 6 of us as regulars. We would probably stop complaining quite as much cos we wouldn't be playing against the same kinda nonsense time and again  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 15, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
Novogord infinite combo'd us in belgium.

his deck is "worse" than anything we've used!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 15, 2014, 03:40:08 PM
Maybe he could be more... friendly on the program.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 15, 2014, 03:43:46 PM
Or we’ll just have to kill him once he starts assembling the combo pieces! I should be on tonight btw, but might not be.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 15, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
I should be on tonight btw, but might not be.

Ditto!


I think I need to do a little work on my Black Blue deck. I was still assembling it when Rufus appeared and I hadn't even thought about it's balance or synergy. Might have been over harsh on Derevi, though it still seems very handy to be able to keep throwing it under busses and then bringing it back to tap out stuff for no real cost.

Is there any enchantment/artifact kill in blue black at all? If not, I guess I will have to rely on board sweeps and counters...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 15, 2014, 03:57:23 PM
if you use derevi as just a blocker, it's still 4 mana (minus the one he untaps.)
that's not "throwaway" cost, really.

Derevi can be degenerative, but don't think rufuses is.


all commanders are handy! that's the point.

gonna give my Gisela her first run out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 15, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
Ah yes but the line between handy and too handy is a very fine one  :-P.


I like the 30 life thing by the by. Gives the games a chance to actually get done before suicidalness sets in!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 15, 2014, 04:12:38 PM
back up to 40 if we do multiplayer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 15, 2014, 05:04:36 PM
Novogord infinite combo'd us in belgium.

his deck is "worse" than anything we've used!
It was by accident! It is the first time it worked!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 15, 2014, 05:34:18 PM
BTW feary, tithe drinker looks a bit weak for edh.

There must be good extort creatures!

Are you sticking only to vampires?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 15, 2014, 05:43:40 PM
BTW feary, tithe drinker looks a bit weak for edh.

There must be good extort creatures!

Are you sticking only to vampires?
She wants tribal vampiers. Shiny ones!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 15, 2014, 05:51:13 PM
BTW feary, tithe drinker looks a bit weak for edh.

There must be good extort creatures!

Are you sticking only to vampires?

At first I wanted do use only vampires... However I did also find a nice 3 mana black human which destroys creatures when you tap it ^^ but I don`t immediately  recall the name...

So maybe it`s best to make deck with mostly vampires, but some others too :) Probably best to limit the other types, because I would put Anowon in the deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 15, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366465&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366452&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369006&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366359&type=card)

hmm, there's not that much good extort stuff. maybe they realised it'd be amazing in edh!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 15, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
I made tribal vampires with limitless card options on GCCG and it was a bit one dimensional. Throwing in some other stuff is definitely a good idea.

I'm on right now by the way...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 15, 2014, 11:27:26 PM
I was actually enjoying that game but it might be that I don't have to get up so early anymore. We might need to start earlier on if we are gonna pull off 3 player in the future...

Also, I think I may have pulled it out with a few more turns  :-P :engel:

Though Rufus had 7 cards in hand and I don't know how many boardsweeps that was. More than one I couldn't stop. But I could have countered the first and put all my equipment on whoever remained to intimidate for the win (assuming no shenanigans). But who knows!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 16, 2014, 08:45:15 AM
Yes I was enjoying it too. We finished after 12 though, ted was up at 6!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 16, 2014, 08:47:50 AM
My deck is no good in multiplayer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 16, 2014, 09:00:56 AM
What? I thought all three were going about even. I would have died if I hadn't top decked bright flame.

Maybe we could stick on 30 life, for speed? And also, no mercy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 16, 2014, 09:24:06 AM
I was gonna suggest 30 life too. It's too easy for nothing to happen for the first half hour cos there is no danger, which is probably fine if you are playing in r/l but i think having danger earlier might be good for us.

Why did you feel your deck was bad Rufus? You seemed to be the one in control most of the time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 16, 2014, 09:26:36 AM
I started off strong, but as soon as Gisela got tucked, I thought rufus was in control.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 16, 2014, 09:40:45 AM
Your main strength seemed to be the enchantment. I could have pinged so much of your stuff if not for that pain in the butt!

I spent most of the game hanging in there with my cockroaches making people not want to attack. A bit pathetic really.
 :-P

Though I reckon i was just about to hit my stride. Or at least start trying fo put out the damage. Even if i had been boardswept a couple of times i could have equipped my manland each turn and swung unblocked whilst my cockroaches tried to stave off big guys.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 16, 2014, 09:41:48 AM
I didn't feel like I had enough firepower to actually accomplish anything! I had to steal other people's creatures to stay in the game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 16, 2014, 09:48:33 AM
I didn't feel like I had enough firepower to actually accomplish anything! I had to steal other people's creatures to stay in the game.
but stealing was your firepower, and helped you accomplish things!


that enchantment is absolutely sick with Hamletback!


I had a world at war in hand, but never felt it was time to use it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 16, 2014, 09:51:28 AM
Well, I didn't like that game much. I'd play Ghave on another occasion.

Also, I hate that stupid hippo. It never does anything.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 16, 2014, 10:16:13 AM
you should have let me draw a card with it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 16, 2014, 10:18:58 AM
No way.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 16, 2014, 10:31:02 AM
well that's why you think he never does anything!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 16, 2014, 10:35:39 AM
Giving you cards doesn't count as doing something for me! If I was about to lose to an attack from Siby I'd use him to give you cards out of spite, though.

I don't know why I'm being grumpy about the game! Both of you enjoyed it. Sorry.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 16, 2014, 11:02:59 AM
if you're about to lose to siby, give me cards to see if I can draw a removal to exile vela, or destroy his artifacts, not just out of spite.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 16, 2014, 11:25:42 AM
Or take him out of the deck in favour of a better creature!

I feel like most of the creatures in my Derevi deck aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 16, 2014, 11:39:50 AM
However I did also find a nice 3 mana black human which destroys creatures when you tap it ^^ but I don`t immediately  recall the name...

That sounds like royal assassin.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=236464&type=card)

I like tithe drinker, by the way! Lifelink and extort for 2 mana is OK.


Quote
I'm thinking of making my deck in the same theme as my normal vampire deck, which is a life drain deck.
So would the red vampires fit in that type of deck or not?

No, white would be a better fit in that case. Use this!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369039&type=card)

It's ridiculous in EDH.

Black/white also lets you use Merciless Eviction, which is one of the best board wipe spells.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 16, 2014, 12:31:33 PM
I use that debt death card in standard wall deck too. If you can ramp enough to even put 5 or more on it at those life levels its pretty harsh.

Rufus it did seem like you were playing a control type deck woth creatures that messed with us more. It seemed to be working quite well, but I can certainly understand it not feeling fun as all you are doing is waiting for us to do something so that you can exploit it. But I thought that was kinda how you like to play normally. You like to hold as many cards in hand as you can and not play anything until you have to. Then clinch the game from looking like you had nothing. That's how you normally pull wins on me.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 16, 2014, 01:12:15 PM
surely derevi isnt as acreature focused as Gisela deck, which is all about dem creatures!

Agree siby, I think rufus is being over critical of his deck!

I was in control early I thought, then rufus sort of took over, almost killing me. top decking the brightflame kept me alive and diminished the boardstate, potentially allowing siby to steal the win, who I thought had been playing from behind most of the game.

a nice mixed game with different people on top!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 16, 2014, 02:36:38 PM
That sounds like royal assassin.

yay! that's the one!


No, white would be a better fit in that case. Use this!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=369039&type=card)

It's ridiculous in EDH.

I know... it's a great card^^ Long live life drain!


Black/white also lets you use Merciless Eviction, which is one of the best board wipe spells.

Indeed :) Day of Judgment is also nice. Only 4 mana, but it's only for creatures and destroy instead of exile...
On the other hand... it should fit wel with Grimoire of the dead or Rise of the Dark Realms ^^
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 16, 2014, 03:09:01 PM
surely derevi isnt as acreature focused as Gisela deck, which is all about dem creatures!

Agree siby, I think rufus is being over critical of his deck!

I was in control early I thought, then rufus sort of took over, almost killing me. top decking the brightflame kept me alive and diminished the boardstate, potentially allowing siby to steal the win, who I thought had been playing from behind most of the game.

a nice mixed game with different people on top!

Yes, i was happily behind if that makes sense. I knew that as s last resort I could get my roaches killed to bring new stuff in and had my counter sitting there waiting. Was definitely a good mix of people being on top.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 16, 2014, 07:34:40 PM
Might get on for a bit soon, anyone else?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 16, 2014, 09:13:23 PM
Might get on for a bit soon, anyone else?

I'm on now. Probably too late!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 16, 2014, 09:30:23 PM
Im about to have dinner now  :|
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 16, 2014, 09:32:39 PM
That's OK. I should have been on earlier!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 17, 2014, 05:20:14 PM
bought a booster today from the LGS, while I was getting dwarfish paints.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380439&type=card)

FML
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 17, 2014, 09:55:01 PM
I want to build another edh deck for the next bash.
I have two favorits to be my commander: uril, the miststalker or sliver queen.
Which do you guys prefer?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 17, 2014, 10:01:46 PM
Sliver queen. Uril is absolutely horrendous and vile!

Have you got GCCG working yet? You can test your deck on there.



@Finlay: that card isn't that bad!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 17, 2014, 10:21:21 PM
I was hoping you guys might be on!

Maybe I missed you
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 17, 2014, 10:45:25 PM
no, havent been on tonight, been constructing my longbeards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 18, 2014, 07:56:25 AM
Sliver queen. Uril is absolutely horrendous and vile!

Have you got GCCG working yet? You can test your deck on there.



@Finlay: that card isn't that bad!
I just created a version of my Silverblack deck.
Maybe I'm on this evening, depending on how long we stay with my parents.

I'm actually looking for a budget Uril deck :icon_redface:; A Sliver Queen deck is rather expensive on paper even when you go Budget!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 19, 2014, 08:02:10 PM
Any magicking today? Think I have a new deck lurking...


EDIT-

May have to take the dogs for a walk but I'll try and get on when I get back in 1/2 hour or so to see if anyone has appeared...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 20, 2014, 04:43:54 AM
I was on last night. Around nine local time. My name is novogord, to make it easy

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 20, 2014, 09:00:16 AM
I'm Siby on there, will keep am eye open for you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fearywings on May 20, 2014, 10:18:15 AM
I was on last night. Around nine local time. My name is novogord, to make it easy

Aha! So that's the real reason why it took longer to do the dishes!
Distracted by a car... yeah yeah  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 20, 2014, 10:23:13 AM
So the next expansion really is called Khans of Tarkir, as rumoured.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1496

I don't suppose there's any hope of snow lands returning in this set? Probably not, judging by the two pictures there (the second one looks like the planeswalker Sarkan Vol, by the way). I expect the 'horsemanship' keyword to return though.


I'm actually looking for a budget Uril deck :icon_redface:; A Sliver Queen deck is rather expensive on paper even when you go Budget!

Budget is good, but Uril is as hated as Zur the enchanter! All he does is load up on auras then kill people. He's boring.

If you choose a different general you'll have more interesting games!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 20, 2014, 12:15:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zpXwpmm8GXQ

man, the head guys voice is SO ANNOYING
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 20, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Are we ok with Edh just playing whatever or do we need any kinda houserules as to decks.

With so many cards to choose from I guess its tough. I can't do real decks per se as I don't buy cards. All i have is a chunk of alara and zendikar.

But if we did want to impose any rules I'm ok. If not, I am equally ok but I will just be choosing whatever cards as I find them. i usually raid ravnica, alara and lorwyn as my top priorities as that is where the bulk of the multicolour creatures are so it seems to make sense!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 20, 2014, 01:26:35 PM
I think we should do 'partial paris' mulligans in EDH games. You set aside the cards you want to keep (as many as you want from your opening hand), then shuffle the ones you don't into your deck. You then draw new cards to replace the reshuffled ones. The first mulligan is free, but after that you draw one less card.

Because I lost all three of those games last night due to not drawing enough land to do anything! Also, it's in the EDH rules.


As for card choices...hmmm. I'm not sure what to do about that. Obviously my real EDH decks won't be good enough against a free choice of cards. I'll just have to make likewise unrestricted decks.


Quote
man, the head guys voice is SO ANNOYING

Yes. But I never watch the videos anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 20, 2014, 01:39:13 PM
No infect, no blightsteel colossus, no swords of x and y? or a Ģ10 limit on magic card trader?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 20, 2014, 01:51:03 PM
I suppose that would work! But it would be a hassle to have to price-check an EDH deck.  :icon_confused:

No infect goes without saying!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 20, 2014, 04:12:06 PM
Is infect legal in Edh? I'm kinda curious as to whether it would even be any good! I know in whatever we were playing it was horrific cos we didn't build defence against it. Do normal Edh players have infect defence built in?

Anyways, I don't object to a 10 quid limit if that works for you guys too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 20, 2014, 04:15:21 PM
Infect is frowned upon as a cheap way to win. Also, I refuse to play against it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 20, 2014, 05:36:58 PM
It's a pity it's as vicious as it is. Seems sad that there are whole slews of cards with rules that are either frowned on, or just totally useless.

So try 10quid limit and see how it is? Want to make sure before I make decks.  :-P


Just went through my Athreos deck. The new restrictions would take out about 3 dudes and 4 lands, so not too heavy. I'm guessing we're not including generals in that though? Cos Athreos is 14 himself... where Gaddock is only 6  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 20, 2014, 07:58:27 PM
Also I am making a red black dragon deck. It's going to be rubbish, but epically so! ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 21, 2014, 10:37:52 AM
Conspiracy is such a weird set. Cards that activate while you draft them. Cards that go in your command zone even though there are no commanders.  :icon_confused:

It doesn't help that I don't know how drafting works, I suppose.


I wonder if the set will be on GCCG? It is possible to draft on there, using a special table.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 21, 2014, 11:29:41 AM
I’m interested in that they’ve released a draft specific set. Good business practice! Siby loves a bit of drafting, I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 21, 2014, 11:32:30 AM
I'd quite like to try it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 21, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
Drafting is my favorite way to play! It feels very even as you take it in turns to pick from each pack, plus you get to influence what other people are drafting potentially. It's very close to sealed in many ways I guess, except I think its easier to get a purer deck as you can hone in on colours. I've even drafted monocolour before and done fine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 21, 2014, 09:37:12 PM
Disappointing magic session!

1 ten-minute game with my rubbish Cromat deck.   :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 22, 2014, 01:08:02 AM
Yeh I had to go play footy. Thought fin might have been tempted but no!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 22, 2014, 10:53:40 AM
Cromat needs better lands if he's ever going to win a game. I should cut those 3-mana alara charms too, since I never have the right colours to cast them.

I still like the idea of using all the shrine and sanctuary enchantments though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 22, 2014, 11:11:17 AM
I would certainly fill the cromat deck with duals. I think with my deck I just avoided the original duals, and the reall expensive searchones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 22, 2014, 11:51:41 AM
I'm going to do that. Then maybe the deck will stand a chance!

There's definitely a drafting table on GCCG. Should we try it out sometime? Before conspiracy makes it more complicated.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 22, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
I would like go try it, but I think we would need to get in another player. Maybe I could get my brother in, or Nov if we can ever find him on there!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 22, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
So you need four players minimum? How many boosters are there per person?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 22, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
"The now-cliché advice given to Peter Parker—better known as Marvel's Spider-Man—is useful even beyond the world of comic books, including in Commander. Commander includes so many powerful cards that it's impossible to avoid running into broken things, at least unless you specifically avoid it. It's this choice that defines the format: Choosing the less-broken path creates more interesting games and forges friendships. "
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 22, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
"Don't be a powergamer, or no one will like you."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 22, 2014, 01:58:55 PM
the hard bit was next though “but it’s hard to define it!”
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 22, 2014, 02:16:08 PM
Yes, that's always the problem.

I've fixed cromat's land! I hope he can do better now. He has all the shocklands and the (expensive!) shadowmoor duals. Plus some 5-colour ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 22, 2014, 03:09:14 PM
I want to make a Muzzio artifact deck now!

and a mono blue sea monsters deck for the rufeltron
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 22, 2014, 04:03:05 PM
It is hard to define and I think it's hard to be objective about. Everything seems twice as powerful and broken when your opponent has it.

And then some stuff is insanely good when in a certain deck but then average or rubbish if not paired with certain other cards.

I honestly don't put too much thought into my decks. I pick stuff I like and that either fits the theme or the general idea. At least for EDH. Hence my dragon deck which will be full of stuff that just seems dragony. When it sucks I may switch a few things out for stuff that actually helps.  :-P


I'm not sure if there is technically a minimum for draft but as you are passing cards around, a smaller pod means more chance of knowing what other people are drafting as you can see what has come out of the boosters more quickly. 3 seems very very small. 4 of us would also mean we could actually play off against each other without waiting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 23, 2014, 01:47:27 AM
Just finished my dragon deck. I'm quite happy with it! Will it perform though?

Not if things go like tonight... shudder!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 23, 2014, 09:02:51 AM
so is Gisela banned, then?

I want to try this gal
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=236995&type=card)
but I like playing dual colour for mana ease.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 23, 2014, 09:44:02 AM
Could splash in a few multi lands just to cast your general I suppose. Considered that myself sometimes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 23, 2014, 09:47:56 AM
i'm up for some multiplayer tonight, btw. ellies turn to get up tomorrow, plus bank holiday weekend! just need to figure out how to resize the programme window
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 23, 2014, 10:09:54 AM
Hmmm, if we're doing multiplayer I'll have to play Ghave I think! Not one of my random decks.


Quote
and a mono blue sea monsters deck for the rufeltron

I definitely want to make a sea-themed deck with Lorthos the Tidemaker as general! Even though he costs 8 mana.

Thassa would be a better general, but she's nearly as cheaty as Purphoros.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 23, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
I would like go try it, but I think we would need to get in another player. Maybe I could get my brother in, or Nov if we can ever find him on there!
I would like to try. But not in the next two weeks. Probably by the end of june it will be less busy.

On the other hand. There is a new possible commander for my Goblin edh deck. The legendary goblin from conspiracy seems fun and has very nice art :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 23, 2014, 11:39:10 AM
acceptable boris generals. iroas, god of victory?
Aurelia?
fling-giant?


I'm a cheat! wheel of fortune is Ģ13.80. breaking the rules.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 23, 2014, 12:32:02 PM
I dont think we ever finally went with those rules. Rufus missed the whole conversation and I'm pretty sure we are all using expensive lands, judging from what I checked from mine.

I don't know how to gauge ok generals. It's hard. Maybe gisela is ok and me and Rufus just don't have good tools to deal with. In theory in a 100 card deck you should have potential answers to most things.

My dragon general is bladewing, who seems really not so bad...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 23, 2014, 01:45:09 PM
On the other hand. There is a new possible commander for my Goblin edh deck. The legendary goblin from conspiracy seems fun and has very nice art :)

I saw him and thought he'd be ideal for your deck!


Quote from: Siberius
In theory in a 100 card deck you should have potential answers to most things.

In practice, your answers are buried in that 100 card deck and you can't find them when you need them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 23, 2014, 02:08:04 PM
if you could have killed the magic shoes, I’d have lost our game. If I hadn’t top decked wheel of fortune, which shouldn’t have even been in my deck, I’d have lost the game with rufus.

I think she’s unfun because she demands almost instant removal. but her mana cost and vulnerability mean I don’t think she’s actually that powerful or broken.
Plus the maths is annoying!

Not sure I’ll be on tonight now, my bro in law is coming round.

How’s tomorrow looking for you guys for multiplayer?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 23, 2014, 02:44:47 PM
fling-giant?


I'm a cheat! wheel of fortune is Ģ13.80. breaking the rules.
brion stoutarm.

An the cheaper one from time spiral?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 23, 2014, 03:34:16 PM
How’s tomorrow looking for you guys for multiplayer?

Not sure I can tomorrow.

I'll probably be on tonight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 23, 2014, 05:49:11 PM
Ditto what Rufus said.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 23, 2014, 07:18:59 PM
rufus vs siby, round 78, commence!

multiplayer on sunday then?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 24, 2014, 10:26:18 AM
Um, maybe!

Siby, I didn't mean it about not wanting to play EDH anymore!

So the rule is no card that costs more than 10 on magic card trader? Ghave loses vindicate (for mortify I suppose) and sylvan library/survival of the fittest.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 24, 2014, 10:40:15 AM
I'm happy to play it too, just maybe throw in some sealed sometimes to feel like we don't just have silly games.
 :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 24, 2014, 10:41:34 AM
Good plan! And also try the drafting thing if we can get another person onboard.

I made a Boris deck with Tajik of the Legion. I think the theme is a bit confused though, so it might be rubbish.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 25, 2014, 06:43:21 PM
I may well be able to get on till about 9ish, dunno if you guys will be on that early though...

Edit,

I think i mean 10ish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2014, 09:33:02 AM
I like this card from conspiracy:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/cns/asdfsc3wfas234/46GcJQN0R2_EN.jpg)

A better clone for Niv-Mizzet EDH!


Also, rumoured M15 card:


Quote
Coral Barrier 2U
Creature - Wall
Defender
When Coral Barrier enters the battlefield, put a 1/1 blue Squid creature token with islandwalk onto the battlefield.
1/3

WALL OF SQUID!  :Ohmy:

and and and

Quote
Chasm Skulker 2U
Creature - Squid Horror
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Chasm Skulker.
When Chasm Skulker dies, put X 1/1 blue Squid creature tokens with islandwalk onto the battlefield, where X is the number of +1/+1 counters on Chasm Skulker.
1/1

Squid theme? Squid tribal!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 26, 2014, 11:16:48 AM
Are they gonna be ub?

Magix tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2014, 12:01:12 PM
Just blue so far, but who knows? I hope there will be lot more squid cards!

I would definitely like to magic tonight.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 26, 2014, 12:29:45 PM
Is that new thing draft only or can you use the cards in Edh?

Also, I am still struggling with deveri. The only time I can beat it is when Rufus gets horribly mana screwed. That combo last night with the guy flashing in and out and the land bringing in more land every turn. Plus having the buyback bounce card. Never stood a chance!

I do need to bring my other decks into line with the Ģ10 limit but I think on the whole it won't hurt too much. In a 100 card deck you don't see 3/4 of your deck every game anyways, it's not like normal magic where you can put 4 in and expect to see something turn up in your opening hand.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 26, 2014, 02:46:45 PM
I'm definitely gonna be on tonight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2014, 03:08:33 PM
Is that new thing draft only or can you use the cards in Edh?

All the cards (except the weird ones that aren't real cards) are legal in legacy and EDH.

Hmmm, is Derevi really that bad? If he doesn't get a good combination of cards he's pretty mediocre.


Quote
I do need to bring my other decks into line with the Ģ10 limit but I think on the whole it won't hurt too much.

I hate to think what you were using!


Quote
I'm definitely gonna be on tonight!

So you say now!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 26, 2014, 03:28:30 PM
You always say he is mediocre but even constantly untapping your lands is rather gonna speed up your curve for playing things. And you can throw him away to block constantly because he comes back cheap. Really it os only ever 3 mana to return him as he untaps one on arrival. Very handy. Not saying he is broken. Just cheap and versatile!

I really only think any of my decks will have maybe 3 or 4 cards over the limit, barring lands, if that!

Also I am looking really good to get on tonight. What time are you guys planning on appearing?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 26, 2014, 03:58:48 PM
I'm probably good all night, as ellie wants an early night. No champions league or game of thrones to distract! I say we aim to start a multiplayer at 10, presuming Rufus gets on at 10.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
I'll probably be on at 10ish, yes.


Quote
You always say he is mediocre but even constantly untapping your lands is rather gonna speed up your curve for playing things. And you can throw him away to block constantly because he comes back cheap. Really it os only ever 3 mana to return him as he untaps one on arrival. Very handy. Not saying he is broken. Just cheap and versatile!

Fair enough - being cheap and versatile are the reasons I like him! I don't like commanders that only do one thing.

I'm glad thawing glaciers finally appeared in a game. I've had that in the deck for ages and never seen it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 26, 2014, 05:20:14 PM
10ish it is!

Yeh I have come to terms with deveri but it is hard to get rid of. Especially as you can bounce it sometimes to avoid the dreaded shuffle to deck answers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2014, 10:40:20 PM
I don't think multiplayer games are a great idea on GCCG!

It's not really fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 26, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
If the real games are anything like as long I'm not sure they would be fun there either!

Knowing you are going to die for an hour is a bit torturous!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2014, 11:01:54 PM
It's not as bad when you aren't just staring at a screen.

Still, I don't think we should bother anymore. 1 vs 1 is better.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 26, 2014, 11:02:50 PM
Yeh every time we try it we want to kill ourselves, I am wondering if we are infact, a little stupid.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2014, 11:08:59 PM
We don't seem to learn from our mistakes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 26, 2014, 11:14:47 PM
1) people love it
2) in theory it should be good?

I'd be interested to see how long games normally take for people in rea life. I thought it was about an hour, not 2+!


So, in our efforts not to powergame/break the spirit, we limit the power of our cards, and don't go infinite.

infinite is unfun, but at least it's instant! I had literally lost that game at 10.58. and it finished after 12.

Would it be more fun if we didn't restrict the decks, and put in infinites.


dunno!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 26, 2014, 11:15:14 PM
I think I've enjoyed 2 multiplayer games, but we didnt finish either of them! maybe thats why i enjoyed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2014, 11:30:54 PM
But infinite combos make you feel like you've been cheated. Remember how we felt about Novogord's kiki-jiki trick! It's not going to be more fun if we start doing things like that.

I'm pretty sure multiplayer EDH games do normally take hours.


I wanted to stop that game, but you both wanted to carry on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 27, 2014, 02:39:28 AM
I'm not sure I wanted to carry on but there is a sense in which you feel like you should because the possibility of reshifting the power is always there. In retrospect though both you and I had very efficient graveyard retrieval which made it hard to wipe even.

I know what I had on the table was quite negative, but a large part of my deck is also designed to kill. I just seemed to pull all the tricksy stuff. That's Edh for you i guess! I have found most of our games at 3 player seem to be us just laying out more and more stuff cos we are all too scared/can't be bothered to work it out until eventually someone drops a nuke and we reset.

Are we building wrong? More nukes and clearance needed to shunt the game along when we get stuck. Once the board gets cleared it does seem like someone usually accelerates away fasted towards the win...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2014, 06:43:34 AM
I think we are building wrong Siby, for multiplayer

More wipes, and more powerful cards, so someone wins games!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 10:06:05 AM
I do use quite a lot of mass removal spells. Looking at my two serious decks, I have:

Ghave - living death, merciless eviction, false prophet, aura shards, dictate of erebos, butcher of malakir, hex, akroma's vengeance, hour of reckoning.

Derevi - supreme verdict, wrath of god, kirtar's wrath, planar collapse, retribution of the meek, bane of progress, armageddon, wash out.

That's quite a lot! You can't really have more without overdoing it.

I have some decent 'finisher' cards in both too. But you can't guarantee drawing any of these things!


Also, I've been avoiding using cyclonic rift, which is one of the meanest cards you can play with blue. That would finish a game if not countered.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2014, 10:37:56 AM
Most if ny decks have one or two!

It's rufuses fault, the dirtty powerganer.

Problem is, no point removing vs ghayve unless you also have grave hate.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 11:01:41 AM
It's always my fault!

I want to make a ghost tribal deck. Not sure if white/blue or white/black though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2014, 11:23:20 AM
of course!

I'm putting 8 mass removals in all my decks now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 11:35:31 AM
Fine, do that!

Hmmm, ghost tribal means either St Traft (who I dislike) or the Ghost Council (who I like but don't seem very commandery). Or one of about a million mono-coloured kamigamiwawa things.

St Traft is Ģ16 so isn't even legal by our rules!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2014, 11:40:14 AM
ghost council would make an insanely good general, surely?

impossible to deal with.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 11:42:33 AM
You can kill them with any instant-speed removal. You might not have had anything in standard that could kill them, but surely you would in commander!

They don't do that much. I probably wouldn't even cast them unless I had nothing else to play.

I could use original Teysa, maybe.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=83546&type=card)

Or not, because I bet she's durdly and annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 27, 2014, 11:58:57 AM
I think i would give 3 player one more try as long as we are all avoiding the really uber tricksy generals and I build some kill kill kill into my deck! I think my problem is that there are so many fun cards you can use that I don't want to dilute it with boring hate spells...

Might try and make more fun decks like my dragons that are more themey than comboey!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 12:01:47 PM
I think i would give 3 player one more try as long as we are all avoiding the really uber tricksy generals

No Sharon then!

Who else is uber-tricksy? We don't want to end up using rubbish generals again either, because that was even more stall-tastic.


Your dragons were quite combo-y

Edit: I've made a Lorthos the tidemaker deck. Theme =  the sea!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 27, 2014, 02:06:44 PM
How about this?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=376539&type=card)

Works nicely with my deck but no defense at all... or there is Dromar... but I like the idea of it being artifact related as I am trying to keep to theme. I know Sen Triplets is right out!


There are a couple of my dragons who combo off each other, but for the most part they just have effects that burn other people or their creatures. One or two interact with my own stuff, but that was about it. And outside of dragons there really isn't much going on in that deck. I feel like it either is gonna fly over the top and win fairly fast, or fail to get going and die pathetically, Which is probably a good thing.  :-P


Should we avoid lands which either become creatures or pump out creatures? They seem to be seriously big for stalling. You can just throw stuff in the way. I know we have all used them a fair amount and yesterday it definitely helped rufus avoid a tonne of stuff cos he could just tap for them as needed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2014, 02:21:55 PM
I didn't find Sharon too bad as you weren't doing dodgy affinity stuff, or milling to get a blighsteel colossus out early!


I have absolutely 0 problem with creature lands or token generating lands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 27, 2014, 03:06:53 PM
Ok, I will throw them into the decks that dont have them. I always forget them but token block is too valuable to not be bringing too.

I keep telling you guys that even when I use 'nasty' commanders i am not building decks that abuse them all that well. I sont know all the old cards that well and the really evil cards are over Ģ10.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2014, 03:11:59 PM
I don’t use token lands unless I’m using a token deck. Seems somewhat a waste of a spot in a normal deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 03:16:15 PM
Which lands are we talking about? Kjeldoran outpost and Kher Keep are about the only efficient token-making lands. The animating lands aren't any better at blocking than creatures are, and I find I rarely activate them.  :icon_confused:

Sydri is a good commander, by the way. But playing an artifact deck is dangerous when there is so much mass-artifact removal! I didn't draw mine last time, but it could have been unpleasant.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
what was the black land that you had that regened itself?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 03:28:22 PM
Spawning pool? I don't even like that one! 2 mana to activate and then 1 more to regenerate. And it's only a 1/1. Anyone who thinks that's a powerful card is crazy!

Besides, I only used it once in that game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
This is making me laugh btw. “EDH IS SHIT, SO BORING, TOO SLOW, HORRIBLE, WE NEVER LEARN”

Less than 12 hours later “let’s play edh again”





I didn’t think it was bad, I already said I had no problem with those lands. I just couldn’t remember which one it was.


Bit sensitive there rufus, one thinks you doth protest too much!!111!!1!!11!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 27, 2014, 03:55:34 PM
Anything you can keep using to block without losing guys is handy though. It even avoids boardsweeps. Must pop that into my black decks.

And outposts into my white decks. I think free token generation is more powerful than it would be in regular magic. So many things to interact with them or use them to sac and whatnot.

That double strike land seemed handy too. Surprised fin didn't use it more when attacking me when I couldnt block.


Edh two player has been ok for the most part when me and rufus have played. I want 3 player to be fun even though it keeps proving not to be and am thinking there must be waysto make it so. Maybe big kill spells are the way...? Probably will be looking to suicide if we try it again though  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 09:15:26 PM
That was the only time I've actually wanted to activate that land. I like the green one as an occasional attacker though.

I can't get GCCG to connect to the server tonight! It's not working.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 27, 2014, 09:23:48 PM
Hmm, not just me then....
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 09:26:35 PM
I hope they fix it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 27, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Ditto, I even went and checked their pathetic forum to see if there was any reason, but no one has been on there in a couple of weeks so who knows...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 09:42:23 PM
Yes, that forum is useless!

It's probably just a temporary problem with the server.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 27, 2014, 10:17:08 PM
Or it's been...


MOD BANNED by mtg.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 27, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
Ha, it's actually just come back on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 28, 2014, 11:54:08 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Oppressive Rays&options=)
playable in edh?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 28, 2014, 12:33:24 PM
I'm almost sure there are better cards you could be using instead.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 28, 2014, 12:33:44 PM
The problem I have with cost things is that you guys always seem to have plenty of mana around to do things so I would rather pay more to close it down completely.

Thinking of making a zombie deck, maybe blue black...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 28, 2014, 12:35:33 PM
slap that on ghave, makes him much harder to durdle around with.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 28, 2014, 12:37:10 PM
Siby, you always play blue/black! Well, a lot anyway.  ::heretic::


Quote
slap that on ghave, makes him much harder to durdle around with.

Obsessed with Ghave, who I don't even play that often!

He'd just sac himself.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 28, 2014, 12:43:28 PM
Yes, I realised he'd just sac as I cycled home.

Trying to think outside the box.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 28, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
Oh, fair enough! Sorry.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 28, 2014, 01:43:10 PM
it's less effective than just killing him, though.

and Tuck only works if he has no mana for sacing, same as any nerf cards, unless you can get one denying him his abilities while you are tapped out. Hmm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 28, 2014, 01:45:20 PM
You need something with split second! Play one of those and it's impossible to respond in any way.

Split second is amazing. I need to use more of it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 28, 2014, 02:11:45 PM
there are only 15 split second spells. only some useful for ghave. although 2 of them only give you one turn off!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=376529&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=118870&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=110499&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 28, 2014, 02:51:40 PM
Use one of those, then tuck him/lock him down with another card! That's a lot of effort to go to though.

Word of seizing + conjurer's closet = steal him and keep him forever!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 28, 2014, 03:26:54 PM
I'm thinking about theros block edh playable stuff, to get me into the block more. of course the gods and equipments...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380400&type=card)

EDH playable. boris deck, combo with that other enchant which you guys dislike!

I wonder if the creature-buffs are good enough
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378376&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380364&type=card)

bestow finisher for commander-damage? Marath would probably like this.
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373503&type=card)

defo-playable
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373566&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380426&type=card)
playable?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380468&type=card)

definitely playable! bant blink please
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380477&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373715&type=card)



good vs grave stuff? (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373542&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 28, 2014, 09:51:24 PM
I like most of those!

Curse of the swine is actually one of the best removal spells you can get in blue.

I don't rate godsend in EDH, and aegis of the gods will only be useful sometimes. Quarry giant needs a lot of plains to be worth it - I doubt you'd have that many in play at once in a bant deck.

The other ones are definitely worthwhile.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 28, 2014, 10:02:57 PM
My Lorthos deck did rather well, though I think it was mainly due to drawing extraplanar lens in both games.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=49440&type=card)

It's quite good, if you use it with snow-covered land so no one else can benefit. Unless they also used snow land of course!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 28, 2014, 10:41:49 PM
If there is no downside to snow covered lands, I guess I may aswell replace all my basics with snows just incase...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 28, 2014, 10:45:53 PM
Ha!

There are downsides, but they won't come up unless people are likely to use snow lands! Ice age and coldsnap have some anti-snowland cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 28, 2014, 11:29:38 PM
Actually to save the trouble I will probably just say all my lands are snow lands at the start of each game  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 28, 2014, 11:37:37 PM
No way! Add the cards or it doesn't count.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 05:34:04 AM
If there is no downside to snow covered lands, I guess I may aswell replace all my basics with snows just incase...

Yes! They annoy me.


hmm, just went on gccg to check if i'd made a bird deck, as i thought i had. but it wont let me on.



can't decide if I should use kangee, which would make a boring/straightforward token/flying beats deck, or go for derevi and make it more interesting with birds/wizards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 08:43:42 AM
I thought you hated Derevi!

You had a Kangee deck at one point, but it used stuff like Moat! There are also four or so mono-white bird legends, but maybe you don't want to do mono-colour.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 09:47:39 AM
I thought you hated Derevi!

You had a Kangee deck at one point, but it used stuff like Moat! There are also four or so mono-white bird legends, but maybe you don't want to do mono-colour.

I hated the derevi pre-con, but I used it totally unmodified. I’d probably use almost all blue and white anyway, with just some green utility splashed. And wizards! I don’t want to do mono coloured for sure. Yes I think I used Kangee in an early multiplayer game we tried. He’s a bit boring!
Wizard birds can go for flying token beats partially, but then also do wizardy-untappy stuff. Maybe. Dunno!

I’m gonna go through the other Theros colours today to find any cards…
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
I've adopted Derevi now though! You're copying me!  :icon_razz:

But he'd definitely be more interesting than Kangee. You can still put Kangee in the deck, and use Derevi's mana-untapping to pay for extra Kangee counters. Plus there are a couple of green or partly-green birds, including....

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1781&type=card)

...one that can't fly.  :icon_confused: Though that's a good ability!


There are lots of other excellent cards in Theros! It's a bit like Kamigamiwawa really - the theme and mechanics of the set don't quite work, but there are still plenty of interesting cards in there.

Oh, and prophet of kruphix is so good in EDH that it's practically cheating.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 11:08:55 AM
if you ever get kruphix and the prophet out, it's almost game over man.



good in a dertevi bird deck. Token generators! massive buff
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=368971&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 11:34:41 AM
Not only do I like that ability (fuck off, butcher of malakir), whippoorwills are also mentioned in Dunwich Horror. Using!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 01:32:18 PM
whippoorwills are also mentioned in Dunwich Horror.

Are they? Ha, I don't remember that! Awesome. I wish they'd charged one more mana and given them flying (which they would these days).

I use bronzebeak in my Ghave deck! They can become massive.


Kruphix himself isn't really that good. It's his prophet that gives you superpowers. Free untaps and flash for creatures? Ridiculous.

Did you use deadeye navigator in your blink deck? That's one of the most abusive cards in EDH, and it's only 40p!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 01:50:03 PM
I know, you've moa'd me to death at least once! it's probably better in ghave deck than my one, due to saprolings.

Apparently they nest on the ground, although aren't flightless (but don't fly well). so maybe that's why. I like that card though, it's awesome.

kruphix works insanely well with prophet thouggh, untap lands and save all mana? plus, he's still an indestructible beat stick!

yes, deadeye dick is in. I’m excited to try it! I hope it doesn’t epic fail like my sac deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
Bronzebeak is still worth it even if you can't make a million saprolings. Plus it's potentially huge if you keep some mana open, so it's good for bluffing.

Oh, maybe the no-flying thing makes sense then! It's definitely a cool card anyway. I assume the name relates to the noise they make.

Kruphix is a bit lame at attacking, since he only has power 4. Plus devotion 7 isn't that easy to maintain. I like his abilities, but I wouldn't go out of my way to use him.

Deadeye + any enter the battlefield ability is a machinegun. It can't fail!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 02:02:23 PM
I wonder if I should buy a prophet now, or if it will go cheaper when not standard. I think I'll slap one in blink deck, as I put in some other creatures just to give flash, and she does double work! and means i can tap out, then still cast counter spells or flash creatures.

ok, i'll definitely put one in blink deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 02:08:36 PM
Prophet is 2 quid, which isn't that expensive considering how good it is. I don't think it sees any standard play really - it's best in multiplayer. So probably it won't get cheaper with time. It might even go up once the set is out of print.

Deadeye wasn't played in standard either, yet a lot of people want both to be banned in EDH!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
I think there’s a good case for banning prophet. At least we don’t tutor her up! If deadeye is gross I’ll take him out.

Or I’ll just blink draining whelk at you with training ground out, for U costed repeateable counterspells, which can evade removal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 02:30:31 PM
Mystic snake is a counterspell on a creature too! I'd complain about that, but I've used it with deadeye myself.  ::heretic::

We'll see how it goes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 02:32:08 PM
mystic snake is in as well, don'tcha worry about that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
Oh dear.  :ph34r:

I'd better use sudden spoiling and those other split second spells.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 02:44:21 PM
is it worth slapping derevi in?

I'm already one card over
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 02:45:37 PM
No, Derevi does nothing for the blink theme. Save him for bird tribal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
ok. it's done then, as I added a prophet, when I already had one!

cards I’m wondering about cutting: chromatic lantern, behemoth sledge, armadillo cloak, genesis wave, and maybe some blink “instants”, as I have 6.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 02:59:51 PM
Lantern is excellent in a 3-colour deck. I don't recommend dropping that unless you are really sure you have a solid mana base. And you shouldn't be sure, because a 3-colour deck never has a solid mana base!

Sledge and cloak are aggro cards, not blink-theme cards! Especially as they fall off if you blink the creature with them.

Genesis wave is a bit cheaty. And not very blinky.

The blink instants are important, surely?

Still, maybe try it as it is, then see if you want to cut anything.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 03:08:50 PM
You’re right about the cloak and hammer. Cloak especially is bad for a blink deck. I love them! But gonna remove them for land I think, only have 35 in. Think I’ll remove genesis wave as I only have 23 creatures atm. I think I don’t have enough creatures!

Blink instants are important, but dunno if I need the amount I have.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 03:20:30 PM
Wow, I'd definitely want more land and more creatures then that! You're very light on both. That's only a couple more creatures than my Niv-Mizzet deck!

You might have too many supporting cards, and not enough main players. For reference, I play 32 creatures in Derevi and 36 in Ghave.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 03:25:31 PM
god know what spells to get rid of, after the ones I listed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 03:31:59 PM
Like I said, I think you'll have to try it out and see what works!

Maybe look for more creatures that can replace spells. More than you have already, that is!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 03:40:03 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=118914&type=card)

is this just gonna annoy me that it's not scry?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 03:43:19 PM
a lot of the spells i have are creature removal/tuck/return to hand.

ETB effects tend not to be as good at this, unless I miss anything.

I'm not sure it;s worth adding creatures that have the ETB "draw 1 card"- not enough value?

AEtherling
Augury Owl
Lavinia of the Tenth
Sage of Epityr
Selkie Hedge-Mage

= possibles

would i have to pay echo everytime I flickered?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 04:04:22 PM
Sage is a bit weak. Scry or draw only please! Augury owl is so much better.

Have you got that weird fish thing that gives draw 2 on ETB? Mulldrifter?

Fiend Hunter is good with blink, if you abuse the triggers. You play him, let the exile trigger go on the stack, then blink him. The exiled creature stays gone, and when the hunter returns you can exile another one.

Lyev Skyknight? For detain. Good because it works on any non-land permanent. Lavinia is great for tokens but misses a lot of other things.

I'm not sure what else you could use.

If you have loads of removal and not enough creatures, all you will do is stall the game!


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would i have to pay echo everytime I flickered?

Not when it flickers, but in your next upkeep after it comes into play each time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 04:24:52 PM
I probably went removal mental after the great "butcher of malakir incident of 2014"

augury owl and mulldrifter in already!

there are 29 pages of g/u/w ETB creatures! shit. Found a bunch i want to use.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 04:29:46 PM
i've got 3 wraths, 2 tuck everythings, 2 return to hand everything, 1 blink everything.

Didn't you say your decks had 8 or 9?

the fiendhunter play seems a bit cheaty!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 29, 2014, 09:56:26 PM
Not working again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 29, 2014, 09:58:44 PM
I know, and I'd planned to be on tonight! grr
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 29, 2014, 10:03:01 PM
Yes, broken. Very disappointing!


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i've got 3 wraths, 2 tuck everythings, 2 return to hand everything, 1 blink everything. Didn't you say your decks had 8 or 9?

the fiendhunter play seems a bit cheaty!

8 or 9 things that can remove multiple things (not just creatures - I was counting other permanents too). Not 8 or 9 kill everythings. So that sounds like plenty. Maybe even too many!

The fiendhunter thing is perfectly legal! Though that's why the new set has banisher priest that words the ability differently.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 29, 2014, 10:40:27 PM
The fiendhunter thing is perfectly legal! Though that's why the new set has banisher priest that words the ability differently.

So it's legal but dodgy, if it wasn't dodgy they wouldn't word it differently right? :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2014, 09:07:45 AM
It was unintended, yes! But it is how the rules work. You can also sacrifice or bounce fiend hunter for the same effect. I've done it!  :icon_razz:

By the way, no one is planning to use cyclonic rift, right? I've been avoiding it on the grounds that it's too good, but if anyone else has it I'm using it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 09:33:28 AM
it's in my bant deck!

so is this, blink it to get reusable exile!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=113563&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 30, 2014, 09:41:37 AM
I was gonna make an eldrazi led deck but alas the legends are all to expensive. I have always thought emrakul was a bit rediculous, but had a soft spot for kozilek and the other chap! Having said that, would it even be possible? Would I be land screwed? Suppose I could just use a tonne of the no colour mana lands...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 09:44:58 AM
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible, there are tons of mana tricks.


I'm glad they're too expensive!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2014, 10:05:34 AM
it's in my bant deck!

so is this, blink it to get reusable exile!

Fine, I'm using it too then. It's broken and unfun in this format though. Gloves off!

The Mangara trick is the same as the fiend hunter trick! Hypocrite.  :icon_razz:


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I was gonna make an eldrazi led deck but alas the legends are all to expensive. I have always thought emrakul was a bit rediculous, but had a soft spot for kozilek and the other chap! Having said that, would it even be possible? Would I be land screwed? Suppose I could just use a tonne of the no colour mana lands...

Emrakul is actually banned, and, as you say, the other big ones are really expensive. So too bad!

Colourless decks are very hard to find land for since anything with a coloured mana symbol on it is forbidden. So you have to use colour-free non-basic lands, many of which are rubbish. People do it anyway though! You can probably find a list of land to use.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 10:17:58 AM
worse in fact, because she’s reusable. Eyy ooo!


Why is cyclonic rift broken? There are other spells which kill your opponents creatures but not yours, aren’t there?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
It resets everyone but you (not just creatures either - all non-land) at instant speed for 7 mana. Can you find a better card for that cost?  :icon_razz:

It's so obnoxious that I haven't been using it, despite playing decks that would have really enjoyed using it.


Oh, and about the two not-banned Eldrazi legends: I think a lot of people use them just for the free re-shuffle they give if they end up in the graveyard! So that's one reason they're expensive to buy. Though both are also insanely powerful for their mana-cost.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 11:28:20 AM
Ok, let’s ban cyclonic! I’m taking it out of bant.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2014, 11:32:02 AM
Oh, OK. I won't add it to my decks then!

I was sure you'd have been upset if I'd cast it on you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 11:54:12 AM
Well the effect is not much worse than “the great butcher of malakir incident of 2014”, but obviously it’s much easier to cast one card for 7 mana, than make sure you have butcher, mana for saprolings, and golgari thug out.

Maybe we need it to shorten games! If you cast it after we’ve been playing for like 2 hours and win in another turn or two it might be necessary, unlike butcher where I survived for another hour, despite losing the game.

 Can’t decide!! Aeiieee. Maybe use it for multi, but not single (a pain to implement)? Maybe not use it for now and have a think. Again, not tutoring for it makes it less oppressive.

I’m also going to try and do the same by casting either tuck, kill, or return everything, then respond to it by instantly blinking all my stuff. !!111!1!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2014, 12:12:15 PM
Since you've already got all sorts of crazy stuff in your deck, I probably need cyclonic rift to compete!

And I think mass land destruction is back on the table too.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 12:19:02 PM
What have I got that you either haven't, or wouldn't use, apart from deadeye!

you know how we over react after 1 or 2 games? now we're doing it before the game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2014, 12:21:32 PM
I think your entire deck is a reaction to butcher of malakir!

I'm mainly just teasing you. However, we do need to decide one way or the other on cyclonic rift. I am absolutely not playing against it unless I also have it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
I think your entire deck is a reaction to butcher of malakir!
I wouldn't say all of it, but I've certainly put in stuff to try and deal with it!



I've already taken rift out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 30, 2014, 12:26:44 PM
I'm guessing that by the fact the rest of the deck would be severely hampered, the amazing power of the eldrazis would be actually, not so bad.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 12:27:16 PM
why would the deck be hampered?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 30, 2014, 12:30:51 PM
Almost 0 sorcery, instants. Nothing with any kind of colour abilities including lands. That is a huge lot of stuff you can't use including basic lands!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 01:06:20 PM
I've seen Karn EDH decks.

artifacts give you access to a lot of spell/instant like effects.

All is Dust is even better than cyclonic rift.

I don't think the deck is that hampered, unless someone gets an aura shards out early and you cant make it go away!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
Our price limit rule doesn't allow those eldrazi legends!

People definitely make colourless EDH decks that aren't weak at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 01:46:10 PM
The price limit probably kills a bunch of the required lands, too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2014, 02:27:07 PM
True. Here's a rather lengthy guild to playing a Kozilek deck:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/477463-kozilek-butcher-with-juice

There are a lot of expensive lands there. And a lot of nasty cards in general!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 30, 2014, 03:06:25 PM
Yeh that's what i mean, plus all is dust is too expensive too!

There isn't even a bad eldrazi i can use.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 30, 2014, 03:08:54 PM
I think you'll need to pick a different theme!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 30, 2014, 03:27:48 PM
I was only semi curious about it anyways.

Tons more decks out there to be built!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 30, 2014, 08:09:05 PM
weird games! absolutely smashed in the face inside 6 turns, then just desperately stalling you for ages. If I'd got the tuck play properly, maybe I'd have won? actually yeh, I guess a blinkable trostani summoner probably wins the game quite quick if all your creatures are on deck!

I'm also wondering on rules for that, if you take one creature to the bottom of deck and it then turns off the gods, do they still get tucked/

Sorry I had to go, the fish and chip shop shut at 9!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 30, 2014, 11:50:36 PM
It was ok, I only had a few more minutes myself.

Your deck felt like a rufus deck. I was killing you but felt like in the end I would lose! It's quite infuriating! But it's supposed to be so i can't blame you for that. Tough to play though. I just hammered as hard as I could. Needed one of my own tuck spells,without the rhino I think you would have been in trouble.

Maybe we can finish it soon. It might have gone either way depending how we played it and what we drew!

Doran was a fun general though and really appeals to my wallesque tendencies!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2014, 06:16:11 AM
I don't think it's tough to play, as you smashed me in the face in six turns, and are definitely on top this one!

I do have other blink engines and spells, but yes without roon it'd be in trouble.

I like it because its interesting, but I was playing slow because thinking too hard!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2014, 09:47:03 AM
Your deck felt like a rufus deck.

Unsure if insult intended!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2014, 10:39:54 AM
Of course insult was intended.  :-P

But no. When I said it felt like a you deck, its that thing where i do 75% damage to you for no real loss and then just a couple of turns from victory you pull out a trick that completely locks me up and go on to nurdle your way to victory! It felt like one of those games.

Fin could keep pushing out 3 tokens a turn or returning one of my creatures to hand. Maybe I could have done that last bit of damage but it felt dodgy. Thankfully at least running a bunch of trees with some gods sprinkled in meant that even with Doran being shuffled away I had some damage dealers. I was going to fill it with 1 and 2 cast 0/4 creatures and such.
 :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2014, 11:15:10 AM
Fin and I just played, and it turns out all the cards in his deck are ones I use either in Derevi or Simic! So fair enough.

I don't like the gods. Though Erebos would be funny against you. No life gaining!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2014, 03:45:56 PM
At least the Doran deck doesn't rely on lifegain like my orzhov one does. I really think this may be the deck I come back to each time I want a good game. I'm sure it will fail miserably against some stuff, but I like the way it feels.

Having said that, I may go on now and start a new deck! Unless anyone shows up to play...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2014, 04:55:11 PM
Your doran deck had loads of life gain!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2014, 05:00:41 PM
Most of his decks do!

We're playing now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2014, 05:25:53 PM
The lifegain is mostly just a happy sideeffect. Not a big part of the deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
Lifegain is your magic trademark.

Also walls.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2014, 06:47:12 PM
Oddly enough one of my favourite cards is a wall that gives  you lifegain! Coincidence?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2014, 06:53:09 PM
 :laugh:


Sorry I didnt say thanks siby, I'd clicked close after i said cheerio, then your message came up before it closed, but i couldnt respond!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2014, 06:57:02 PM
No problem!

Sometimes games get almost too epic! I think in EDH it's even more likely because every card is different so it's really hard to keep track of what is doing what. That game ended with barely any screen visible! Just a bit sad I couldn't find a way to push 4 damage through...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 31, 2014, 07:03:18 PM
i only attacked because i knew i was gonna board wipe, and i only board wiped cos the state was too complicated! Didn't realise it was enough to win.

having to check every card thats cast t see what it does, plus a million cards out = confusing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on May 31, 2014, 10:27:04 PM
The site just decided to rage quite on me apparently.

Did it do it to you too?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 31, 2014, 10:31:34 PM
Rage!

It was nice of Doran to make Derevi better!  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 01, 2014, 01:05:27 AM
Derevi makes me cry. Don't think I have won a single game against it.

That deck is just controltastic! Time to build my revenge deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 01, 2014, 09:52:14 AM
Time to build my revenge deck!

I don't like the sound of that!

Derevi is doing a lot of the heavy lifting in that deck. He's probably a bit too good, so I'll try not to play him too often.

I'm making cleric tribal next. There's a surprising amount of support for it - even a special land!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 01, 2014, 12:23:45 PM
He's so pathetically small, like gaddock, and yet he is super hard to budge and you can just throw him in to block where needed. He is close to being 'indestructable'. What hurt yesterday was him interacting with skyward eye prophets, who until now I considered a bit rubbish! But in that deck he just kept accelerating you over the top...

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 01, 2014, 01:54:10 PM
Need to tuck him. Bant charm to the face!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 01, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
I had about 4 tuck spells in my deck! The other thing with blue decks is you never know when they will just slip out of that. Capsize or the like...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 01, 2014, 02:54:30 PM
I deliberately chose not to use caosize in ny deck, even though it's nit only amazing, but fits the blink theme.

Too annoying!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 01, 2014, 03:45:00 PM
You guys are turning into tuck-obsessed EDH forum people! Next you'll start talking about 'format staples' and 'your meta,' and I'll have to kill you both.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 01, 2014, 04:09:44 PM
Well my meta isn't too bad so I don't need to use the format staples.  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 01, 2014, 04:19:30 PM
I just copy what you guys say seeing as i don't go on forums  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 01, 2014, 04:30:29 PM
And you use banned cards!!!!!!!  ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 01, 2014, 04:39:00 PM
Who?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 01, 2014, 04:40:42 PM
Worldfire!

He didn't know, it's rubbish, and I won anyway.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 01, 2014, 05:03:27 PM
So, ninjas:

1: ninjas are lame and '80s.
2: they have too much card text.
3: searching your deck every turn is annoying and makes me lose interest.

 :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 01, 2014, 05:05:18 PM
Scry, scry, scry. Next turn: scry, scry, scry. Next turn: scry scry scry....  :-P

And if giving you too much to read is what it takes to finally actually win a game, I will take it.  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 08:31:09 AM
Huh!  :icon_evil:

Anyway, full Conspiracy spoiler is out!

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/conspiracy/cig#

Interesting!


(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/cns/asdfsc3wfas234/EjGmR8rGgk_EN.jpg)


Spiritmonger with better art! Must replace mine.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/cns/asdfsc3wfas234/saGysjaQ7R_EN.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 09:11:53 AM
don't like that art at all! what's the old art like?



I read an article this morning about an edh tourney, where the final table was 5 players, and he prize was all 5 c13 decks. They talked about just splitting the prize so everyone got a deck. Author and 3 people agreed, then the 5th said “no, I’m going to win in 4 turns anyway”!
What a stupid douchebag. They all ganged up on him and killed him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 09:22:57 AM
Ha, not very smart in a multiplayer game!

Do they use time limits in EDH tournaments? I don't see how they'd get enough games in.


don't like that art at all! what's the old art like?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=28009&type=card)

The new one is better!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 09:40:21 AM
New art is bad, OLD ART IS TERRIBAD.

Dion’t think they have time limits. Because they were playing 5 player games, you get through a lot of peoples worth even if it takes ages. And they only had one game, then the final. He said his game before the final took ages, everyone else was finished.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 10:30:49 AM
I know, but it's a decent card!

I really want to go to a release event for Conspiracy, but as far as I can tell the local shop isn't having one. Booo.


EDH tournaments are missing the point, surely! If you want a competitive game, why not play a faster format?


Also, I'm using squirrel nest with Derevi, and stacking the untap triggers to make loads of squirrels.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 10:54:54 AM
How does that work, tap to make a squirrel, then respond by sacirificing something, or moving a counter or something, then respond by tapping land, then respond by doing something, until you’ve run out of mana?

I find it amusing there is a 2 card infinite kill squirrel combo.



I also find it amusing ted calls squirrels “Dwibbles” and shouts “dwibble, where are you!” when they run up trees.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 11:01:01 AM
amazing with ghave! oh misread it, I thought he brought along tokens at the start. probably redundant with ghave himself!

(http://mythicspoiler.com/cpy/cards/custodisoulbinders.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 11:03:50 AM
Quote
How does that work, tap to make a squirrel, then respond by sacirificing something, or moving a counter or something, then respond by tapping land, then respond by doing something, until you’ve run out of mana?

Not with Ghave: with Derevi! Attack with several creatures with Derevi in play, and hopefully some of them get through. That gives you a tap/untap triggered ability for each one that did.

So now, you stack all of them on the land with the squirrel nest. Tap the land to make a squirrel, then resolve the first untap triggger. Tap to make another one, resolve another trigger. Repeat until out of triggers. Result = some free squirrels! Next turn, attack with those as well, hopefully making more untap triggers and thus more squirrels.


2-card combo uses earthcraft, I think? Which is a very dodgy card.


I also find it amusing ted calls squirrels “Dwibbles” and shouts “dwibble, where are you!” when they run up trees.

Ha ha!


I like the soulbinders! Ghost-tastic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 11:20:25 AM
ah, that makes a lot more sense!
I do think Derevi would help roon btw. untapping roon, deadeye nav, mimic vat etc.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/cpy/cards/decimate.jpg)
MARATH WANTS
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 11:24:57 AM
Yuck, did you really use mimic vat? I hate you.

No Derevi for you!

Decimate is a reprint, so he can already have it. Keep in mind that you can't cast it unless there is at least one of each target! If there isn't an artifact or enchantment on the board, it's a dead card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 11:27:02 AM
oh. poop.

they reprinted StP, so it might not be 5 quid!

mimic vat is only 2 quid. What's wrong with it, mirrodin?

(http://mythicspoiler.com/cpy/cards/compulsiveresearch.jpg)
draw 3, discard a land. wut?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 11:33:15 AM
It's like Hex, which destroys 6 target creatures. No more, no less!

StP, like path to exile, has been reprinted quite a few times already. Yet both still cost 5 quid. I have 2 copies of StP actually, though I don't use them.

Yes, Mirrodin block 2. I really hate everything about that entire block and never use any of the cards.


Compulsive research is for when you want cards in your graveyard. Say for flashback, madness, reanimate, dredge, threshold...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 11:54:03 AM
drawing 3 and discarding a land is really powerful draw for only 3 mana. That's without grave stuff! should cost more.

mirrodin-ist.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 12:01:07 PM
Sorcery speed, and only one more card than the (utterly terrible) divination. I don't like that card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 12:05:08 PM
Sorcery speed, and only one more card than the (utterly terrible) divination. I don't like that card.
I am soooo thankful for this epic new art! No longer will I have to choose between "random metal shapes being dropped on some curtains" or "old man finding his car keys in the bathroom sink."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 12:07:15 PM
Haha, true. Still a bad card though. People only play it because we aren't allowed good draw spells in standard anymore!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 12:10:56 PM
because they didn't realise how good it was.

didn't see anything good in conspiracy for marath or roon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 12:30:28 PM
Brainstorm and fact or fiction are in that set. Those are draw spells!

Uh oh, Edric is in there. I hope no one decides to use him as a commander!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 04:07:15 PM
there's not much good red edh stuff in theros set.

purphoros would be good with my token generation, but not gonna use him!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 02, 2014, 04:24:17 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380403&type=card)

with Gisela as general!

oh my
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2014, 09:09:39 PM
I thought you had that in the Gisela deck!


Playing a prophet of kruphix = probable win?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 03, 2014, 08:56:58 AM
I don't understand why that and Gisela would not kinda cancel each other out as they have the same effect? Like if you give something lifelink twice it doesn't get double lifelink right?


Anyways, I made my deck with pictures I like yesterday. It has Uril as it general but before you worry, I might have at most 3 or 4 auras. The rest is mostly fairly average to poor cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 09:17:26 AM
While lifelink doesn't stack with itself (purely due to its wording), doubling damage does. Dictate and Gisela would both trigger when damage was dealt, and would resolve in sequence.

Uril! Hmmm. Suspicious!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 09:24:48 AM
i dont see that as analogous to Lifelink.
It’s not a keyword rule, it just doubles damage. If Gisela and the enchantment both granted double strike, then it wouldn’t work.
But I don’t have the enchant in my deck anyway, and Gisela isn’t the commander anymore.

My boris deck feels weird. I want a less oppressive commander but don’t like the others. I guess Tajic fits but he sucks (need to give him trample or some evasion).



I can’t decide if I should take prophet out. She’ll be even worse if we play multi, giving me 3 turns for each of your guys ones, and it’s not as if my deck lacks card draw so I’ll run out of juice. She’s easy to remove…. But not if I have Roon out and up. A lot of people want her banned, but then a lot of people in those threads just say “use removal”. She definitely does make the game revolve around her.

If I take her out, is it less gross if I put in a seedborn muse or awakening, as they’re only half the combo. Bear in mind I do have leyline of anticipation, vedalken orrery and alchemist refuge, combined they give the same effect, but easier to remove. Can’t decide!

Also wondering about taking deadeye out, despite not drawing it yet! If it’s out, I might get tempted to do gross stuff with palinchron or mystic snake.

check this article, http://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2014/03/command-etiquette-prophet-loss/ 

"they both lead to situations where the masturbating player is having way more fun than anyone else at the table.

So take a stand against public masturbation: ban Deadeye Navigator and Prophet of Kruphix. The format will be a better place for that decision.
"


Or maybe I’m totally over reacting to the 2 or 3 games where the deck’s actually worked properly!


It was also fun giving Marath a run last night. Enjoyed those games a lot. Maybe time to just play more games with what I have and chill on the deck building!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 10:28:09 AM
Keyword rules can stack, depending on what they are! For example, you can have extort twice, and both trigger. But yes, dictate is just a standard triggered ability.

Boris is just rubbish, I'm afraid! It's difficult to win with, and not very much fun to play. When I use one of mine I always wish I had a different deck instead.

I fully agree with that article. Prophet and Deadeye are both self-evidently broken in EDH. They dominate any game in which they appear, and will cause an easy win unless stopped immediately. And neither is expensive to cast.

Quote from: linked article
Basically, Prophet of Kruphix is two pieces of a two-card combo in one card. While that’s not really fast enough for Modern decks, and Standard doesn’t seem a powered enough format to take advantage of it, in Commander that’s basically all you need to win a game.

I move that we agree not to use prophet of kruphix or deadeye navigator.


Your Marath deck is really strong! Using new decks all the time does often lead to bad games, because a deck will typically suck at first.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 10:59:38 AM
My problem with boris isn’t that it’s rubbish, it’s that it pretty much needs the commander, and you moan about both the ones I want to use! It is basically an aggro deck though, so unless it wins quick it’ll struggle I reckon.

Deadeye literally demands instant removal while it has SS, otherwise it can dodge whatever else!

Sad I never got to use it once, lol. And also wondering if I should buy them anyway for using the deck for reals vs novogord!

Seedborn muse is 8 quid, so I guess I’ll go with awakening. 50 pence!

I’ll have to think what to ban for you now :D


I like Marath because it can go several different routes to win, aether charge and other beast tribal stuff, just using huge beasts to attack, or just going beastmode with Marath if I get my sledgehammer or armadillo cloak.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 11:21:06 AM
I only complained about Gisela. But Boris is just boring.

Deadeye doesn't care about summoning sickness. It's only tap abilities that can't be played with ss. Otherwise he wouldn't work at all, since blinked creatures return with summoning sickness!

If the player has mana to blink deadeye (and a soulbonded creature), you can only stop him (short of a few specialized spells) by stacking removal spells on top of his blink trigger. And if someone uses multiple cards to kill him, you've still won the exchange! It can't dodge mass removal, though, no matter how many times it blinks. You need a slow blink, like Roon's, to do that.

But everything can be removed, so saying 'just use removal' is like saying 'just kill all the support units and avoid the massive killer unit' in warhammer. Useless, simplistic advice!

I’ll have to think what to ban for you now :D

Prophet and Deadeye. If you use them, I'm using them too (I was deliberately avoiding them all this time!). I'll play against Roon + the broken pair with Derevi + the broken pair, but not with any other deck.


Quote
I like Marath because it can go several different routes to win, aether charge and other beast tribal stuff, just using huge beasts to attack, or just going beastmode with Marath if I get my sledgehammer or armadillo cloak.

Yes! This is also why I like my ghave/derevi/niv-mizzet decks. They can play in lots of different ways depending on what you draw and what the other person is doing.

A deck that only wants to charge the commander in, or assemble an infinite combo, or anything single-minded like that, is just a waste of time to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 12:01:17 PM
oh, I guess you were complaining about the game, not about Aurelia then. she's a bit small so her ability isn't always applicable.

it doesn't tap! holy shit, even better than I thought.

you weren't avoiding her because you used her on me at least once!


Roon is single minded in that he's gonna win with value of etb creatures, but not looking for a specific one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 12:06:23 PM
is awakening permitted?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 12:11:37 PM
Indeed, I was complaining about the game. It was one of those rare situations where I didn't want to keep playing (and neither did you). Not your fault or Aurelia's fault!

See, it's broken!

I was avoiding using her with Derevi! I did use the card in my rubbish simic deck.

Roon isn't single-minded. There are lots of ways the deck can play out.


Quote
is awakening permitted?

Of course!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
I'm sad I didn't get to use it once. ha ha.

Ok, so i’ve got a less broken “untap”, and a bunch of flash enables. Now i need to find another less broken blink engine. I saw a blue one but i didn’t like it at all. 4 mana, fuck ff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 12:19:10 PM
Roon is your blink engine!

Repeatable fast-blinking is absurdly powerful, so you can't expect to find cheap cards to do it. That's why deadeye was such an aberration.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 12:27:14 PM
need insurance in case he gets tucked.

Can’t see much (outside of one shot creatures such as resto angel and flickerwisp) apart from the one I didn’t want, nephalia smuggler.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
I had a quick look, and Nephalia Smuggler is the only other repeatable fast-blink engine. For slow-blink, I can only see conjurer's closet/mistmeadow witch (which you have), planeswalker venser (sorcery speed, and also a planeswalker!) or astral slide (needs loads of cycling cards to work). Oh, and flickerform, which is an aura and is expensive to use. And galepowder mage, which triggers when you attack with it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 03:02:09 PM
I cut galepowder mage. his body's a bit small to be able to use him really. could try I guess.
cutting a deadeye nav for nephalia smugglers makes me cry.

might try the planeswalker!

I really dislike the onetime blink creatures. seem's a waste.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 03:15:40 PM
Galepowder bothers me because the art shows him riding a bird with no heard. Weird! I think it's a decent card though: 3/3 flier, isn't it?

It further emphasises the fact that deadeye does something it's not supposed to! Since there is literally no replacement for it.

I thought we said no to planeswalkers! Do we really want to open those floodgates?

You can use things to return creatures to your hand to get extra use from ETB abilities. There are lots of repeatable ways of doing that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 03, 2014, 03:19:10 PM
I'm making an angel deck now because angels are another thing I have always loved in magic. Don't worry though, the terrible twosome are too expensive!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 03:23:36 PM
Don't worry though, the terrible twosome are too expensive!

Which are they?  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 03:24:15 PM
avacyn and...?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 03:25:40 PM
Maybe baneslayer?

I forgot Avacyn! She's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 03, 2014, 03:37:17 PM
Actually baneslayer is allowed, but there are more than two in the end.

 Avacyn, Iona, Linvala and a couple of other heavy hitter angels are all out.

So it'll probably be not all that bad!

Fin, have you considered Admonition Angel? Got a bit of a blink effect going, plus it is a 6/6 flyer for 6 which is rather handy even if you ignore the rest...!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 03:41:17 PM
Yuck, baneslayer is another one I was avoiding using. I think we should consider reducing the price limit! I hardly ever use anything that costs even close to 10.

Iona and Linvala are two of the 'you didn't want to play this game, did you' angels, aren't they?  Troll-angels.


Doesn't admonition angel act more like a recurring oblivion ring than a blink?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 03:52:09 PM
I might try galepowdah mage, as I think if you only have one flyer he can blink it away for 3 damage? Which is not bad.

I don’t think the deck is good enough to have to repay for things… not sure!

Seen admon angel, but do not want.

Huh, glen elendra archmage is only 4.60


crystal shard! cheap enough
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
Glen edra is trivially easy to make into a recurring counterspell. Master biomancer! Lame trick.


Crystal shard was the sort of thing I had in mind, yes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 03, 2014, 04:17:04 PM
Silly question.

Why further decrease the price limit to cut off some of the fun things I like to use when I have such a pitiful record in EDH anyway!  :-P

A lot of the really terrible cards are only terrible if the deck is built around them. I just don't tend to do that all that much. Would you consider any of the decks I have used lately as including nasty combos? If so, let me know, maybe I can take them out and replace with something else.

But honestly, I don't really think I have managed to pull off anything like the deck cohesion that you have Rufus. My best record right now is with my dragon deck, in that I have a couple of wins with it. And that usually only happens if the other player starts poorly.

My ninja win was a combination of you not wanting to read the cards and drawing only about 2 or 3 lands. Every other time I have used it, it has failed spectacularly!

10 quid seems ok to me. Unless we are going to start up a self banned list that we all agree to, but that's always kinda been shut down in the past as unwanted complication...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 04:20:29 PM
"But honestly, I don't really think I have managed to pull off anything like the deck cohesion that you have Rufus."

don't make a new deck everyday, and test/tune the ones you have!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 03, 2014, 04:48:15 PM
I've played my black blue about 4 or 5 times. My dragons and doran likewise. Most of the other ones I have I play once or twice but if they get hated on I tend to not use them again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 04:53:40 PM
and are you tweaking them?

I've had 2 decks which I totally abandoned, Lyzolda after I used her for one game. hated the deck, so never used again. and Rosheen the wanderer, which I tried quite a few times but couldn't make work at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 04:58:18 PM
hey, awakening does everyone! do not want.

seedborn muse is 8 quid, prophet is 2. wut?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 03, 2014, 05:13:24 PM
I tweak a little but not too much if it messes with the theme.

But here's what I mean. Lowering the money limit would mean changing out half my dragons for, I don't know, really really bad dragons, when my deck is already really rather dodgy. Whilst Rufus's deck would be near unchanged even though it works like a dream (mostly). Does that mean he is a master at finding value that works in his deck? Maybe, but it might also be partially that dragons are a touch overpriced, or maybe more that the online prices do not necessarily meet up with EDH play entirely but are factored a lot by what works in the other more common formats?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 07:47:04 PM
I usually blame Modern for any really high-priced cards. Most of the ones that bafflingly cost 40 quid or something (the Bant mana druid!) are Modern staples.

Which are these expensive dragons though? Other than the Theros one, which is big in Standard.


I'm going to make decks with even cheaper cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2014, 09:46:59 PM
power down roon after winning 2 games, get smashed by a precon.

Worried that would happen!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2014, 09:57:44 PM
Oh please, that could have had nothing to do with the changes you made! You can't tell from one game.


Precons are really rubbish. Everything in that Riku one costs at least 6 mana! Absurd.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 04, 2014, 02:31:12 AM
Its a crazy game.

I cant get anything going with the decks I really thought out. The deck I build based on pictures I like comes out in the perfect sequence...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 04, 2014, 08:13:03 AM
Btw when I said thragtusk wasn't that good, I meant in comparison to when he ruled standard with resto Angel.

He's a useful utility creature, but not a game winner, not that dangerous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 04, 2014, 08:50:05 AM
He's a useful utility creature, but not a game winner, not that dangerous.

Not every creature has to be a game winner though! If it does, then we're doing this wrong. It's meant to be a casual format.


This guy for Roon?

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/cns/asdfsc3wfas234/UKVMNPITB3_EN.jpg)


I've made a mostly-Innistrad block deck, since Innistrad is one of the best sets ever.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 04, 2014, 10:43:07 AM
Lowering the money limit would mean changing out half my dragons for, I don't know, really really bad dragons, when my deck is already really rather dodgy.

Firstly, no, it wouldn't. I can't find any red or black dragons that cost more than 3, apart from the black kamigawa one, and the two recent red ones that you can't even use at the moment. Most dragons, even mythics, are cheap.

Secondly, your dragon deck is not dodgy at all. It's won about half the time it's played me. You need to stop hiding behind this idea that you never win!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 04, 2014, 10:49:23 AM
I know! If every card was a game winner you'd never win! Was only responding cos when I played him you went "thragtusk!", but he's not good enough to warrant a special comment purely because he ruled standard, where as prophet and deadeye were good enough for a comment!

Wow, he's like a super powered gale powder mage! Love him.


Last night I should have just exiled all your creatures with my giant knight dude, let you gain loads of life but then just smash you down once you had no creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 04, 2014, 11:02:56 AM
I wasn't equating him with sun titan or something, but he's a good card. Obviously he sees no play in modern, since he's dropped from 15 or so to 2 since leaving standard!

Plus he's a ghost, which is always nice.


Last night I should have just exiled all your creatures with my giant knight dude, let you gain loads of life but then just smash you down once you had no creatures.

Roon him for 21. You need to keep track of commander damage, especially against Mr Lifegain!

Derevi has won once with commander damage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 04, 2014, 12:32:03 PM
I don't never win, that's true.  But my win % has dropped hugely since we started doing Edh. And I think you have now gone over 60% which is around where all the super tough players on gccg are at. Obviously you are only playing me and fin so I am not saying you are in any way powergamey. Just better. Which is ok of course.

My issue lately I think is that you guys are playing decks that either steal stuff, keep making things come back, keep making things go away... It makes me not know how to play. Kill spells seem a waste, enchantments just get flashed off or stolen, even mass kill seems to often benefit you. I need to get around that somehow without just outright copying it and it is a conundrum.

Even at  only 30 life it is hard to roll you before you get your stuff going. My best bet has been lifegain to just hold on...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 04, 2014, 02:58:42 PM
Rufus has been over 60 since we first checked
You also had a better win % than ne. Not sure now, and can't remember how to check!


I think you're over thinking. Enchantments are super vulnerable, and my marath deck has several I love. But the other person won't always draw their removal!

Build in a variety of removal, some tuck, some exile, some kill. Boardwipes. Stuff to deal with graves. Then you cab apply what you have to the situation you need .

I'd also build around what you want your deck to do, rather than strict tribal. And I would stick to using like 3 decks for a while so you can test and tune.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 04, 2014, 03:04:35 PM
Having said all that, I still think actually me and you is about 50/50. Rufus wins more because he's better st magic than us, and doesn't make stupid mistakes like casting an instant on my turn!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 04, 2014, 04:17:44 PM
What's tricky for me is that you guys often don't need enchantment removal cos you have so much bounce and flicker. You can just make the creature disappear and any enchantment on them goes away too.

Depends what deck of course, but anything with blue in gives me nightmares!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 04, 2014, 07:28:02 PM
Just checked through my dragons. Between them and other stuff, 5 quid would cut out about 8 cards. With lands, probably around 13ish...!

About to take out the ones that are already illegal! Just noticed cavern of souls was still there.

I'm tempted to put this in... the game will end one way or the other!!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=12970&type=card)


Also, might swap out bojuka for that kobold making land... Could use a few tokens to hold back heavy attacks...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 10:19:48 AM
Just checked through my dragons. Between them and other stuff, 5 quid would cut out about 8 cards. With lands, probably around 13ish...!

I'm curious which expensive cards you are using! 8 non-land ones is a huge amount. But we don't have to lower the price limit just now. Though I view it as the sort of limit you're meant to stay as far from as possible, rather than sticking a lot of 9 quid cards in.

Final fortune is a classic!

I'd keep bojuka bog, but add kher keep anyway. Drop some other non-basics instead!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 10:23:05 AM
I’d slap bojuka in every black deck. Ghave, roon with eternal witness and SUN TITAN. I’m not sure Marath has any recursion, but most decks do!


Kher keep themetastic for dragon deck!

Is bladewing any good? I guess if you have like 4 dragons attacking and pump 3 times its nasty, but his body is small and he’s expensive. He wants to be blinked to recur more dragons!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 10:28:55 AM
Just seen a guy on daily mtg call roon, roon burgundy! Amazing! Stealing.
Now we have muzzy izzet, roon burgundy and derevi empyreal twatician.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 10:45:39 AM
You can definitely count on most EDH decks having some graveyard recursion, and bojuka is essentially a free counter to that (free in terms of deck slots as well as mana - the only cost is having a land that comes in tapped. Minimize that by dropping non-essential tappy lands!). It works better if you are playing 3-colour and so have 3 ravnica bounce lands, so that you can reuse the effect. Or crop rotation to instantly switch it into play!

As for bladewing, I'm guessing there isn't another red/black dragon legend to use? Though you could go 3-colour, in which case there are loads of different choices. Prossh isn't allowed though! Let's not start that again!


Just seen a guy on daily mtg call roon, roon burgundy! Amazing! Stealing.
Now we have muzzy izzet, roon burgundy and derevi empyreal twatician.

Ha, I like Roon Burgundy!

But I strongly disapprove of that name for Derevi.  :icon_evil:  You're just upset because you got commander damaged to death by her!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 05, 2014, 10:51:44 AM
I figured we are trying to not maximise to the most horrible generals so bladewing is probably alright. He does allow me to throw dragons away too as he is essentially two dragons for the cost... When you think of him that way, maybe not so bad. The only other one I think is maybe malfegor and I dont like him... I think I may just need to lose a couple of dragons like echo dragon and replace them with more useful counter measures...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 11:08:12 AM
Hey, I don’t think I’ve put that sweet ass naya dragon into my GCCG Marath deck, which it has irl!

Yes, I still think it’s absurd to get Commander’d by a 2/3! I wish trostani’s summoner gave me a 1/1 flyer instead of the knight or centaur. Also shouldn’t have told you to exile my snake to counter my counter.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: Siberius
I figured we are trying to not maximise to the most horrible generals so bladewing is probably alright.

Definitely!

Hmmm, I can see why you don't like Malfegor.


Hey, I don’t think I’ve put that sweet ass naya dragon into my GCCG Marath deck, which it has irl!

Rith! How could you forget him?

Trostani could give you a bird token instead of the knight! But it doesn't.  :icon_razz:

I might have thought of exiling the snake anyway. Besides, it's only friendly to mention things like that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 02:13:43 PM
I like the idea of playing this, and naming the opposing commander:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=154005&type=card)

No commander damage thanks!

Or using 'nevermore' and forbidding them from even playing the commander!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=226878&type=card)

Hilariously, that still doesn't stop Derevi using his special power to come on from the command zone.


Only a commander like Prossh really deserves either of these being played on them, of course.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 05, 2014, 03:12:43 PM
I've considered both! Think halo may be in my angel deck. I think any commander deserves it!  :-P

It's actually probably friendlier than tucking them especially as we are trying to avoid too much tutoring... At least you can blip them or enchantment kill...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 03:22:33 PM
I've considered both!

Ha! You use all sorts of nasty things though.  :icon_razz:  I still plan to ragequit if it turns out you have baneslayer angel in there.

Halo + lifegain would be obnoxious!


Quote
especially as we are trying to avoid too much tutoring

Aren't we avoiding any tutoring apart from land-searching?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 03:24:40 PM
you've got that mizzet firemind one to tutor capsize!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 03:30:59 PM
Oh, true. I only had that for theme reasons. It's seven mana!

I'll drop it if no one is using any non-land tutors of any kind.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 03:34:43 PM
7 mana to find capsize is worth it alone, nevermind the 2 other spells you get.

but yeh, it is thematic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 03:43:51 PM
I always want to cut it for a different card. Guttersnipe too!

I could be using mystical tutor for 1 mana instead of foresight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
And I could be using worldy tutor, sulvan tytor and green sun’z xenith to search for proph kruph, deadeye nav and mystic snake, but im not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 03:48:16 PM
I was only saying that because I have the actual card. I think I have three each of mystical and enlightened, one of worldly, 3 of vampiric and one of demonic. Tutor-tastic!

But I'm not using any of them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 05, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
I think the only tutor I have is sliver lord, but I only really have him because the other slivers are too expensive.  :-P

I had to really reign myself in from putting tutors into my sharuum deck as obviously there are a load of amazing tutors for artifacts. But I am pretty sure I don't have a single one in there. I won't say there is definitely not a creature that maybe does it... I might have summoning sphinx... but I don't think he is going to summon anything specifically great. Might have dropped him though, can't remember!

I still plan to ragequit if it turns out you have baneslayer angel in there.

Halo + lifegain would be obnoxious!

Prepare for ragequit! I can't have an angel deck without it though, surely that would be silly! I never used it in standard cos it seemed powerful for that but in EDH considering there is only one and that it's not much crazier than a lot of other stuff we use, I reckon it's ok. It doesn't have any real protection from removal so I expect it to be shot down pretty fast every time!


I reckon anything feels obnoxious when it's happening to you. Halo plus lifegain is pretty much the sort of lockdown you were inflicting on us regularly with your orzhov deck. A lifelink deck is not much cop if you can't remove stuff to give you a channel to win through, just like any other deck!

EDIT

Also, I think I need to modify my Doran deck, wondering if I went too creature heavy and need to make more use of the good white black side more...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 03:51:08 PM
Joe McInally could send me some tomorrow! (sylvan tutor is too expensive)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 04:13:38 PM
I'm not joking about baneslayer.


I reckon anything feels obnoxious when it's happening to you. Halo plus lifegain is pretty much the sort of lockdown you were inflicting on us regularly with your orzhov deck.

I haven't played that orzhov deck for over a year. I don't even have the list on my current account!


Quote
Joe McInally could send me some tomorrow! (sylvan tutor is too expensive)

Ha!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 05, 2014, 04:53:31 PM
I'm not joking about baneslayer.


Me either

I haven't played that orzhov deck for over a year. I don't even have the list on my current account!

Not sure what you are saying here. We haven't really played standard in over a year probably!

All I am saying is that when you are on the receiving end of something, it almost always feels obnoxious. It's the price of playing a game where someone wins and someone loses. And most often the way to win a game of magic is to pull some sneaky trick off to gain an upper hand your opponent can't do anything about... even a straight up beatdown deck can feel obnoxious if it rolls you in a few turns. You feel hard done by that you didn't get going.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 04:56:44 PM
But some stuff is more obnoxious than others. Sometimes I can lose games and still enjoy them, but sometimes I can’t!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 05, 2014, 05:15:32 PM
But why is lifegain and halo more obnoxious?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 05:26:46 PM
They're not, who was saying so?

Halo is easy to remove, albeit good.


Life gain is annoying because it slows and stalls the game. (Aware of the irony after thragtusk and cloak, but those two decks have three life gain cards between them!)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 05, 2014, 06:13:49 PM
Its true, lifegain can be annoying... But I guess it is a legitimate counter to other strategies that control you out of doing much else. A lot of stuff is stallish when it comes down to it. Counters stall by not casting stuff and trying to stop you from casting. Blinking stalls by having a board of creatures that you blink to keep you in the game.

Maybe I need more win conditions in my life deck like felidar sovereign, some big demons or angels to swing over the top... It did feel like I couldn't get damage through like I needed..
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 08:14:51 PM
siby hates the kobolds of kher keep!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 05, 2014, 09:42:59 PM
Aggro-mizzet strikes again.

I find I'm replacing non-basic lands with basics. A lot of them are more hassle than they are worth.


And I cut firemind's foresight for impulse. Impulse is far better!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 05, 2014, 09:44:09 PM
And sadly couldn't find an appropriate red token to replace it...

Think my Bladewing deck is getting there. But it didn't come out right in either game... I looked and I actually have loads of removal in there. Well, enough that I probably should have drawn one at some point. Most of them are quite mass removal too... ah well! Getting your general shuffled is never a good sign either...

I was going to take control of muzzy... but the charm breakers are just too intense to handle. No time!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 05, 2014, 10:21:00 PM
aggro-mizzet strikes again, again
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 06, 2014, 03:19:56 PM
so many cards I want to add to roon!

aerie mystics, maybe azorius justicar instead of man o war, stone horn dignitary.

Does realmwright only colour fix, or does he accelerate too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2014, 03:43:04 PM
Realmwright just fixes. I'm not sure if it's good enough really. I suppose you can blink him to change which land type he's fixing for, which might be handy.

Stonehorn looks very annoying!

I want to use azorius guildmage, which can counter activated abilities.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 06, 2014, 04:03:52 PM
Have you considered this fin? I know it's a bit costly, but it's a removal spell and big creature rolled into one that you then get for free every turn!

I can see myself hating it!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=214384&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2014, 04:16:41 PM
Don't: that set sucks.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 06, 2014, 04:21:14 PM
his first and second ability are at conflict with each other in EDH. in standard he's probably a good finisher, remove something big, become huge, win.

but a moderately big creature without trample or flying isn't that useful, and I'll want to re-blink to exile.
of course reusable exile is pretty good, albeit boring to play against.

he's a 1 mana more, and colour dependant with a slightly bigger body,

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=338451&type=card)

who I already decided against.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 06, 2014, 04:35:38 PM

of course reusable exile is pretty good, albeit boring to play against.


DOn't you already have some of that though? I thought the other day you did that to me...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 06, 2014, 04:40:59 PM

of course reusable exile is pretty good, albeit boring to play against.


DOn't you already have some of that though? I thought the other day you did that to me...
yes, and it made me want to cut it from the deck! (or maybe just use vs rufus!!!) notice I didn't use mangara a couple of times when I could have!


don't mind luminate primordial so much because at least you get a benefit from it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 06, 2014, 04:58:01 PM
Luminate primodial's benefit just kinda felt like it was prolonging the agony really.  :-P

But you probably shouldn't not use things cos it feels bad. You were always going to win the game. Might be better just to be merciless and reset for another game...!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 06, 2014, 05:25:41 PM
I certainly should not use things which are excessively annoying or op.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 06, 2014, 06:38:27 PM
removed Mangara for excessive grossness
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 06, 2014, 07:44:53 PM
I'm alright with most stuff, but that Mangara thing does just seem wrong  :-P

I'm sorting out my karador deck a bit. It was absolutely terrible but he seems like a cool commander.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2014, 09:18:18 PM
Weird standoff with no one playing.  :icon_confused:


I should stop making new decks because I never like them. Less than one game for that deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 06, 2014, 10:07:02 PM
I'm alright with most stuff, but that Mangara thing does just seem wrong  :-P

I'm sorting out my karador deck a bit. It was absolutely terrible but he seems like a cool commander.
yeh he looks like a fun one to try
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2014, 10:25:20 PM
Karador is in my Ghave deck, but hardly ever shows up.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on June 06, 2014, 10:32:55 PM
On steam right now:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/JustaGuy778/steam_zps548c7d8f.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 06, 2014, 11:26:29 PM
I'm still not on steam.

Is that magic game one where you play against the computer?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 07, 2014, 01:39:48 AM
Think my angel deck may do me well. We shall see. It seems like a much more solid version of the dragon deck in that it is made out of expensive big flyers... only it has a wider colour base and better ability to hold in a match when not putting much on the board, where if my dragons get stalled or thrown away before they can form a flock... they go down fast!

Allies, not bad, needs adjustment. And that spell that stops spells being spells... bizarre! Not sure what to make of it... I suppose in a control deck like that you can just counter the scary stuff until you have board control and then put it down to stop any potential kinks in your dominance. Game ending card usually probably as your opponent would need a creature that can kill enchantments to stop it...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 07, 2014, 10:27:58 AM
I put dovescape in because it was funny. I mainly cast it for the 3 devotion so i could aggro you with Ephara!

I wasn't playing a control deck. You think everything is control!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 07, 2014, 11:50:54 AM
You countered me twice in the first few turns! And you had the counter owl out  :-P

And then you shut down anything but creatures.  :-P



Also, I threw chromanticore into the ally deck because... well why not!?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 07, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
OK, it was a bit control-y. Aggro control!


Is rite of replication fair game, or a bit cheaty?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=195630&type=card)

9 mana, but five copies of something mean is devastating.

Or copy biovisionary and win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 07, 2014, 05:01:59 PM
9mana: win.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 07, 2014, 06:05:29 PM
Don't see it as any worse than storm herd, really?

both generally require counter, boardwipe, or token kill or you win.

maybe you should take storm herd out, instead of add replication! ::heretic::


(at least it isnt 9mana, durdle:win. mercifully quick.)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 07, 2014, 06:58:10 PM
"huh, arid mesa looks good, why havent i put it in marath"

Ģ40!

(I know it makes me a noob for not knowing they were expensive ones)

sabretooth nishoba, or tephraderm to add to Marath. both 40 pence!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 07, 2014, 07:28:05 PM
I remember playing when those lands were in, seemed wrong.  :-P

So I reckon RoR is ok... I have it in a few of my decks and if it takes 9 mana to give you a probably win condition that seems reasonable. Most 9 mana cards should do something pretty epic. There are some far cheaper ones that can end things too... well a bit cheaper...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 07, 2014, 08:49:12 PM
If we do edh 3 person again... Should we put a timelimit on for sanity? Say 1 hour, 1 1/2 hour? And if no result by then, draw...?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 07, 2014, 09:53:32 PM
Since when do you start at level zero? Those cards make no sense.

Though maybe deleting the elephant caller from play was an overreaction.

Still, it wouldn't have been difficult to write 'starts at level zero' on the cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 07, 2014, 10:47:58 PM
sabretooth nishoba, or tephraderm to add to Marath. both 40 pence!

Both of those look really good! Though I disapprove of nishoba's protection from Izzet.  ::heretic::


The fetchlands need a reprint, because the price is absurd.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2014, 10:37:42 AM
Huh, I saw this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=140227&type=card)

And thought, that's good! But it's 12 quid. I suppose it's self-evidently overpowered.


I'm tempted to use the landfall baloths though:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=192222&type=card)

Clearly an unfair card (yet it costs 2.20), especially with ravnica bounce lands (just self-bounce the land every turn if you don't have any other land in hand!).

Derevi + thawing glaciers + baloths. Maybe progenitor mimic the baloths too.  :Ohmy:

Powergaming!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 08, 2014, 12:59:14 PM
We could always switch to not allowing cards that hit over a certain star rating on gatherer... Bet that would knock out a bunch of the cards we all hate!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 08, 2014, 01:16:07 PM
Those baloths are in my marath deck, have you ever thought they were op?

Guess if you did dodgy Bant tricks they might be.
Progeny mimic on them would be nasty, but progeny mimic is a good card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 08, 2014, 01:45:21 PM
Ahh the progeny mimic, the bane of my game yesterday...I was trying to decide after we played if I needed to tinker with my angels but then I realised that for at least the start of the game, if not most of it, I was being double teamed due to getting out fast on life gain. Considering that, I probably shouldn't be too hard on it. And it nearly held in there long enough to have a chance of winning. 3 player is definitely weird though. I wonder if 4 player is a bit more clear cut because you don't have that same issue of feeling like you are only helping of hurting one person...

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2014, 05:13:35 PM
Those baloths are in my marath deck, have you ever thought they were op?

Yes! It's a 6/6 trampler that gives you free 4/4 tokens just for playing land. They're just as overpowered as the titans and a lot of those weird zendikar angels. Zendikar in general is full of crazy stuff.

I'm not saying you shouldn't use them. I'm saying I should use more things like that too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2014, 06:29:58 PM
Cryptic command is 38 quid, Siby!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 08, 2014, 09:05:11 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=29292&type=card)

gross general! want to use him. (does this colour combo have a name?)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2014, 09:30:31 PM
Those colours are called esper.

He's mean!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 08, 2014, 10:09:06 PM
Bant is the artifact colours. Sharuuuum is bant.

I poopooed him as an alternative general cos he didn't fit my deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2014, 10:21:25 PM
Bant is Derevi! That's esper.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 08, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
bant is derevi, roon and jenara, hence the bant-o-clasm last night!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2014, 12:03:54 AM
Sorry, i know that really, stupid brain substituting words!

Imagine i said esper!

I went control tastic this evening, sorry!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 09, 2014, 08:40:06 AM
Don't think I've won a game since the night I cheated where I thought I had the seles sanctuary but it was the guild hater.

Karma!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 09, 2014, 09:39:21 AM
Yes, you even lost to my Asmira deck! You're definitely due a win next time.


Quote
I went control tastic this evening, sorry!

It was bound to happen sometime!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2014, 09:42:52 AM
I wanted to taste the dark side.  :evil:

Fin, I think we have all accidentally cheated lately. It's gonna happen when we are pulling cards from all over the place!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 09, 2014, 09:55:24 AM
Definitely. Some cards are confusing!

The Level-up-gate scandal, for example.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 09, 2014, 10:27:41 AM
I was even gaming in only my boxers by the end, still didn’t work!

Derevi is really fun to use, though. Hope I can make the deck work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 09, 2014, 10:37:25 AM
I was even gaming in only my boxers by the end, still didn’t work!

Ha! That definitely should have given you maximum gaming power!

Derevi is amazing. Next time you play, the deck will probably destroy someone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 09, 2014, 10:48:18 AM
I was even gaming in only my boxers by the end, still didn’t work!

Ha! That definitely should have given you maximum gaming power!

Derevi is amazing. Next time you play, the deck will probably destroy someone!
Might have to go the whole hog if I keep losing!  :icon_surprised:




When your win con is “loads of 1/1 birds”, I think it’ll be a struggle most games.
Probably almost better to anthem up derevi and win with commander damage!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 09, 2014, 10:58:23 AM
Might have to go the whole hog if I keep losing!  :icon_surprised:

How would you explain that to Ellie if she came into the room?  :icon_lol:


I think there are cards that make your creatures unblockable for a turn? That would let the birdswarm through.

Edit: oh, maybe not. Though there is this thing Siby was using last night:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366334&type=card)

Or sudden disappearance.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 09, 2014, 11:16:38 AM
“I’m just playing cards with rufus! Honest!” lol.



I'm resisting the temptation to use gravitational shift.
Because I'd refuse to play siby's angels if he used it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 09, 2014, 11:27:24 AM
Ha ha!

I bet Siby does use gravitational shift. It's a powergaming card from zendikar, so has his name written all over it!  :icon_razz:

That card + archetype of imagination so all enemy creatures lose flying!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2014, 12:31:47 PM
Huh I forgot about shift, thanks for the reminder  :engel:

I think that lens isn't so bad. Worst comes to worst sack it for a sneak win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 09, 2014, 12:46:40 PM
Lens is fine

Shift is just troll!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2014, 04:35:33 PM
I probably won't put shift in just because it takes 2 blue, but it does kinda make sense in a flying deck! Doesn't seem much worse than that white red one, very similar effect.

So no one liked the star rating for deck choosing idea?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 09, 2014, 05:50:45 PM
not really, no.

whats the white red grav shift?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2014, 06:24:40 PM
Any particular reasoning?

It's the one that gives your guys +2/+0 on your turn and +0/+2 on theirs. Effectively bumps your guys where needed when needed which is not too dissimilar to grav shift really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 09, 2014, 08:59:57 PM
The star rating is too random

What would you suggest setting it at, 4? Or would you go down to the decimals.
They're also generally scored for standard, not edh.

Think they're quite different really. The plus 2 toughness is ok, but not a big deal. Where as -2 power gives the sane defensive bonus for creatures, better defensive bonus as a player, and it lets your guys kill stuff way easier when blocking.

Three quite big reasons grav shift is better.

Red white one is only Vetter vs toughness modifying or damage dealing removal, abd only better at that vs sorcery speed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2014, 09:08:48 PM
I dunno, I just reckon the price thing is quite random too, and also probably not based on Edh. And it tends to miss things like the super good specials. It was just a thought though.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 09, 2014, 09:10:09 PM
price is probably more aligned with "remove the really OP stuff wehich is used in legacy and modern", but thats sort of the point of the list.

it will slightly inflate the price of standard, but ive not seen anything i wanted to use in standard which was over a tenner.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2014, 09:19:03 PM
Hmm, gravitational shift 40p, glory of warfare 80p.

Twice as broken!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 09, 2014, 09:29:46 PM
Hmm, gravitational shift 40p, glory of warfare 80p.

Twice as broken!
3.4 on gatherer vs 3.85

.45 more broken!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 09, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
So what we've learned is that neither of them really works.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 05:48:23 AM
Yes but we knew that already!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 10, 2014, 09:24:39 AM
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, Siby. Our current rules are:

1. no card that costs more than 10 on magic card trader
2. no tutoring, other than for land

The price restriction cuts an average of four cards per set for modern sets. So unless you want to use 'fun' cards like avacyn or that angel of 'you can't play any spells,' it shouldn't be a problem.

Are you saying you want to ban more cards? If so, you need to be more specific about which ones you mean!

Using the gatherer star rating would be a huge hassle.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 09:35:56 AM
rule 3. no prophet of kruphix
rule 4. no deadeye navigator
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 10, 2014, 10:02:37 AM
Oh yes. Also, 5: no infect.


I'm open to the idea of banning other individual cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 10, 2014, 01:46:36 PM
I dunno, I just have noticed some cards that are banned under the 10 rule that seem no worse than other ones that are not. And also, having to check through an entire 100 card deck to make sure of the price of each rare card is a hassle just as much as checking star ratings.

But I don't think I care that much to really worry about it. So probably just ignore me!

I suppose I feel like a lot of stuff slips through the cracks of the price thing, because either they are reprinted multiple times or are just only useful in certain situations where gatherer is going to take into account mostly their potential power when used at their best. That's the only reason I floated it really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
Of course, but it’s meant to be just a rough system to take out the really gross ones.

Checking on magic card trader is easier for me. Just paste the list from tappedout into the “deckbuilder” search, searches them all at once!

Everything you’ve pointed out is valid. I just don’t see how moving to the star actually eliminates any of the problems.

It’s just an arbitrary and relatively easy to check guideline so we’re not using the really gross stuff.


What particular cards do you think shouldn’t be being played?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 10, 2014, 02:21:09 PM
Yes, examples please!

As for the gatherer rating, I'm suspicious of anything voted for by the type of people who vote for things on the internet!

Example: storm crow:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83282

A rubbish creature that people vote for as a 'joke.'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 10, 2014, 02:23:59 PM
Hmm, nothing in particular of the top of my head. It's more of a general feeling.

It probably depends usually on what Rufus just used on me.  :biggriin:

If we ever get bored of the format though, maybe we should inflict a not over 4 star rating though, it would probably half our decks and let us use all sorts of fun slightly underpowered things that usually we woulnd't consider!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
If we make decks full of under 4 power cards, no one would ever win.

  Oh I remember another rule! No infinite combos.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 10, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
I think people would win, there would just be a fresh baseline of overpowered cards. If the really horrible ones are gone, new things become horrible.

There will still be evasion and cards that can trample and cards with protection and counterspells and such. It will just take out all the most common efficient ones and replace them with the next tier down, all those things you think to yourself i love the flavour of this card but why would I ever play it when I could use this other one...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 03:21:14 PM
We already tried with jank decks and no one won.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 03:24:20 PM
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=29292&type=card

allowed under the "4 star"

Yet I’ve chosen not to use him as he’ll be too annoying to play against.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 03:27:03 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373635&type=card)

allowed under 4 stars. because its crap in standard.

yet ruins EDH games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 10, 2014, 04:38:34 PM
We already tried with jank decks and no one won.

We did?


Of course there will be a few cards that sneak under the radar. But we already established there is no perfect system. And i only put 4 out there as it is around number. You could probably call it lower. I'm not sure where the sweet spot would be...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 05:00:44 PM
just don't see how rating is a "better" system than cost (both have the same problems), unless you want to set it super low and have us make jank decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 07:48:15 PM
cod liver oil.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=931&type=card)

that is all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on June 10, 2014, 08:00:38 PM
(http://online.goodgames.com.au/images/12XXX/12462.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 08:44:05 PM
thats actually not that bad
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 10, 2014, 08:49:38 PM
Must remember to play lands. Manascrewing yourself is just silly.

Think I may have died anyways that game due to losing jenara and not being able to block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 10, 2014, 09:06:37 PM
Bloated toad was used in a combo deck during the urza block. You used the artifact that made cycling free to dump it and the other cycling creatures in your graveyard, then cast living death to put them all into play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 10, 2014, 09:58:23 PM
Sorry for disappearing siby,I accidsentally deleted the new girl wed recorded, so had to wait till it was back on telly.

Then when I came back you had gone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 10, 2014, 11:09:34 PM
Dont worry! I got in a game vs Rufus and then had to go make dinner myself!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 11, 2014, 08:17:39 PM
Siby, I originally read grav shift as -2t for non flyers, which is why I said I wouldnt play it- locking the other player out mfrom casting anything.

so its not as bad as that.


still better than glory of warfare, though! :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 11, 2014, 09:54:18 PM
Ahh yeh -2 t would be really nasty. Could just eliminate little guy decks entirely.

So I was looking at rumours of the new block today and what I saw was people suggesting kamaigawa style, maybe the off three colour combos. I think I might actually be down with that if it happened, even though Kami was weird.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 11, 2014, 10:14:03 PM
im desperate for the off three colour combos. there are hardly any generals, or cards in general, for thjose.

whole new world of EDH fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 11, 2014, 11:12:19 PM
I really hope they do the 'wedge' colour combinations. It would be about time!

It won't be out until September though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 12, 2014, 10:01:45 AM
I'm not keen on the new card frame.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/afa7666ddf_2.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 12, 2014, 10:25:39 AM
hate hate hate.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 12, 2014, 12:09:27 PM
Are these the new cards that are supposed to be less easy to copy?

That's kinda a weird creature but not too outrageously overpowered huh? Zendikar, interesting...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 12, 2014, 12:14:16 PM
Yes: the rares and mythics have a hologram for copy protection. The coloured part of the frame ends earlier so there's room for more text along the bottom. But it looks ugly!

There's a 'soul of somewhere' for each colour. Blue's is Ravnica. I'm not sure the others have been spoiled yet. Maybe Innistrad for black?

I think it's quite weak for a mythic! You can get rampaging baloths for the same cost.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 12, 2014, 12:16:20 PM
But lack of power creep is nice right? Looked at some other cards, super cheap blue enchantment for card draw seems great value. Very simic feeling.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 12, 2014, 12:22:14 PM
Apparently there were a lot of complaints about the titans!

That enchantment looks quite good, but I'm mainly interested in the squid-themed cards! I hope there are more.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 12, 2014, 12:28:40 PM
If it had trample, I might play it in marath. Turn on beasts for Aether charge! The activation costs are a bit high for a mythic, though
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 12, 2014, 12:30:34 PM
Especially compared to the baloths, which do have trample and give you free 4/4 beasts!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 12, 2014, 12:35:49 PM
god you're obsessed with the baloths!  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 12, 2014, 03:15:22 PM
Handy in limited though eh? Anything that you can use for multiple tasks is quite nice. He can block fliers, pump out tokens when you run out of other things to do and then join in for some fighting if need be.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 13, 2014, 07:52:08 PM
Anyone gonna be on tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 14, 2014, 06:13:04 PM
There is a guy playing with a 700 card deck right now  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 16, 2014, 10:18:30 AM
Why would anyone want 700 cards?  :icon_confused:

He's never going to win a game, surely!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 16, 2014, 05:02:52 PM
No idea, he was certainly not winning when I left, though he wasn't in a terrible position.

I don't plan on copying him.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 16, 2014, 10:06:56 PM
they changed gatherer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 16, 2014, 10:13:13 PM
I saw the background had changed to black. Not sure if it's changed otherwise.


Also, I think it's bad form to say I'm going to lose, and then win. I need to stop doing that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 16, 2014, 10:35:47 PM


Also, I think it's bad form to say I'm going to lose, and then win. I need to stop doing that.
especially BEFORE the game even started.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 16, 2014, 11:02:17 PM
Red card for rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 17, 2014, 09:18:21 AM
So is there any more we can do to stop the mana ruined games? Are we running unusually low land for Edh? If not, should we lift the money limit on lands to allow us to put in more of the good ones? Do they break the game enough that we need to keep them out?

It does seem maybe unnecessary to ban them when we have half our games decided by poor mana options. What think you guys? We could keep one or two banned if there are some evil ones out there I don't know about...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 17, 2014, 09:22:56 AM
which games were ruined by mana? to be fair I cant properly remember the uril one, but with vorel you had both colours up and running. Vorel game seemed more to me my deck clicked with stuff to do, where as yours didn't. It also doesn't help you that you weren't playing things because you thought roon could protect himself, or counter repeatedly with whelk, neither of which he can do!

In the game I lost, I tried to play 2 sources of blue, and you countered them.

Besides, I think the money limit is high enough to allow for most lands, just skipping original duals, and I think the zendikar search lands. I just choose not to put in all the shock and scrylands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 17, 2014, 09:28:28 AM
Yes you tried to cast sources of mana but you can't counter a land so more reliable.

There are actually more lands than that if you look around. I sometimes find a decklist to give me ideas for stuff from way back that I won't have heard of and have run into multiple lands that go over the limit. There are the lorwyn block ones for example.

And whilst yesterday was not entirely ruined by mana we have discussed many times how often these Edh games are killed by lack of mana for one player. It's how I usually beat Rufus.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 17, 2014, 09:31:41 AM
the lorwyn ones aren't over a tenner, are they?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 17, 2014, 09:37:02 AM
I don't want to remove the money limit from lands. I hate to see cards being used that I would never consider buying in real life! The limit is already too high for me.

Some games will always fail due to lack of land. That's true for any magic format.


Quote
the lorwyn ones aren't over a tenner, are they?

Some of them are, yes. So the whole cycle is out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 17, 2014, 09:42:14 AM
wait, arent some of the shock ones over a tenner too?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 17, 2014, 09:47:00 AM
I don't think so. The original ravnica printings are, but the RTR reprints aren't.

EDIT: the boris one is 9.80, which is very close!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 17, 2014, 09:51:16 AM
Would you consider using expensive cards in real life if you didn't have to buy them?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 17, 2014, 09:52:44 AM
Is that relevant?

Why do you think you need expensive cards?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 17, 2014, 12:13:50 PM
To explain further, when you draft, you can win very expensive cards. I'm sure I have a few that go way above our limit. You are saying you wouldn't want to use cards you would never use in real life. So should I not use expensive cards I own? And would you not, in real life?

If it seems somewhat like I question our rules sometimes,remember I am basically playing you and fin's rules as whatever I suggest is usually outvoted. You might say well fine use what you want but that won't work because you will either play and be upset at what I use or just not want to play me. On the whole I am fine with the rules, but as the minority I am gonna probably whine somewhat sometimes and question why we do certain things.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 17, 2014, 12:43:30 PM
I do have cards that cost more than our limit, and I don't use them! Lands included.

I don't really understand what you want, Siby. Do you want to be able to use more powerful cards, or do you want the power level to be restricted more than it is currently? You've said both! Which cards are you wanting to use that you can't now? Which cards do Finlay or I use that you don't like?

At the moment, you are just confusing me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 17, 2014, 03:29:34 PM
You are also confusing me, you have more expensive cards, but you don't use them? Why have them then? Or do you sell them?

What I would like is not to be able to use more powerful cards, but rather to sometimes be able to use cards that are more expensive. I think we can agree that cost against power is sometimes not really a perfect system. And I struggle with the concept to a degree anyways, because even within our limit there are some very powerful cards and we can't just ban all of them.

I also like the idea of limiting the power level so much that you basically play with a whole new set of cards because it filters out all the really good ones we use right now. Why? Because it would mean a whole new set of thinking about what you want to use, and the ability to use cards that are normally so underpowered you would never even consider them. I fully understand not doing it though as it would take a lot of work to sort through.


As to allowing more expensive lands, that was because we often end up in games where one person suffers greatly because their mana didn't come out right. The paris mulligan thing has helped greatly with that, but I guess I just figured what would help even more would be access to more land based mana fixing. And then we ran into the I wouldn't use that in real life thing which is a tough one because what I think you might actually be saying is that you wouldn't go out and buy it in real life, rather than if you already had one you wouldn't use it, though if it is the case that you wouldn't even use it in real life if you had it, well, that's interesting...



EDIT -

Overall it's fine though. Like I said, sometimes I am just gonna ask these things. As long as I follow the rules and you don't call my decks filthy, I'll be ok.  :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 18, 2014, 10:49:11 AM
I don’t feel like they’re “mine and rufus” rules vs you siby. Although can see why you do.
I’m open to allowing any coloured mana producing lands, apart from fetch lands and original duals. I don’t want to do a blanket “allow all lands” as some are broken!
But I still think it won’t stop mana screw. It’s a random game. Mana screw is always going to happen in every format. Even if we allowed fetches and duals, it’d still happen.

I’m quite against making jank decks though, as no one will win, or the games will be incredibly slow. Furthermore, it’s much more time consuming for me to check gatherer rating than money! Lazy finners.

Don’t think anyone thinks money = power is a perfect measure. Don’t think anyone thought it was going to be, or should be. It’s an arbitrary line drawn to cut out some of the more powerful stuff.

If there are any cards over 10 you want to use, or ones under 10 which we’re using which you don’t like, post em here!

I really don’t think half the games are decided by mana.




Just to let you know where I’m coming from, my Marath deck is “real”, and I am probably going to buy both derevi and roon decks, so I’m trying to keep them down close to my “real” limit, and I struggle letting myself spend more than a couple quid on a card!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 18, 2014, 06:11:08 PM
I'm not saying you make rules vs me. More that what you guys want to play is what we play. And that's because you guys have your thing of wanting to play real decks or whatnot.

If you guys are ok with me using any cards that follow our current set of rules, and that I won't be complained at for using them (Whining about hating a card cos it always seems to screw you is fair game, everyone has that!) then it's all cool. If you feel like I have some kind of advantage, then maybe we should bring that limit down. I don't really like playing by the rules but then being told what I'm using is unfair or overpowered. That's the thing that gets to me the most.

I can't use anything resembling a 'real' deck as I don't buy cards and only have real ones from 2 sets. Plus, in real life I actually have some cards that are over the limit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 18, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
Nobody on the game?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 18, 2014, 08:21:17 PM
Also, how can I add cards to my deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 19, 2014, 11:54:29 AM
Middle click. I think left click removes them. If you want to read the cards easier hover over them and hold shift.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 19, 2014, 05:07:08 PM
I thought I might have made all the EDH decks I might want to, but then I realised... aggro!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 19, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
Triple post!

Alas the aggro general I wanted to use was a bit over the limit so I totally did it in another colour. Or colours...

I'd use that weird mana green one, locus or whatever it is called, but the whole unused mana thing is too confusing for me! The one I was thinking was this:

(http://static.tappedout.net/mtg-cards/commanders-arsenal/azusa-lost-but-seeking_medium.jpg)

But she is like 16 quid for some reason. I'm guessing there is some super combo kind of deck she works in or something!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 20, 2014, 10:04:40 PM
You guys taking a magic break?

I've been listening to a MTG podcast lately, been making me want to play!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 21, 2014, 06:15:39 AM
Not specifically taking a break, no.

 Not sure when I'll next be on though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 21, 2014, 01:53:57 PM
Boo!

Though its probably for the best. More little dude painting time for me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 21, 2014, 07:42:53 PM
I was inserting my EDH Goblin deck in GCCG. But I couldn't find the Commander selection?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 21, 2014, 07:57:30 PM
There are a few ways round that. I don't know how to do the best one but I either just include him in my regular deck and then find it when you get to the table or you can right click your decklist, create a sideboard and put it on there. Then when you sit down to play you can find it there waiting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 22, 2014, 10:18:24 AM
A guy told Finlay and I how to set the commander so that he starts the game in exile. You type   /addpart exile   to add an exile section to your decklist. You can move the card you want to be commander there by right-clicking it and selecting the option.

GCCG will then report that you have a legal commander deck, whereas it won't if you have the commander in the sideboard instead.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 22, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
and starts you on 40 life
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 23, 2014, 09:55:04 AM
The new Magic site is a lot harder to navigate than the old one. They've started previewing M15, but I can't find the card gallery.

Here's another one of the 'Soul of Somewhere' cards. Much better than the green and blue ones!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_gya9bi495k.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 23, 2014, 10:09:04 AM
yes, hate the new website.
cant find the daily mtg articles, and they look horrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 23, 2014, 10:41:14 AM
Well, the articles are under the 'articles' tab!

It's a really unpleasant design though. Not an improvement!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 23, 2014, 12:43:10 PM
Gatherer seemed somewhat broken last time I used it. Like it worked but nothing looked like it was in the right place.

The exile from graveyard mechanic is an interesting development... Perhaps more of that to come?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 23, 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Yes, same for me. Looks dodgy. Don’t like it! Hate changing things just for the point, gatherer was fine!

There’s loads of exile grave stuff around already
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 23, 2014, 04:12:23 PM
There is. I'm not saying its super original, just layed out in an interesting way and this is a core set so almost seems a bit unusual for that. But I suppose these guys are the titans of this set and some of those had unusual ways of working so I guess its not that weird.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 23, 2014, 06:32:22 PM
just reread the card, and I missed what you meant, thought you meant cards which exiled others from grave.


I think that ability works the same as flashback, just worded differently?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 23, 2014, 08:16:17 PM
I think you might be right there! Does seem flashbackish.

Also, I'm just finishing up a deck led by this guy:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=368977&type=card)

I'm quite excited to use it as it really uses a whole slue of creatures we don't often see, which is one thing I really want to do.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 25, 2014, 10:16:50 AM
Is that table troll you like in it?  :biggriin:


They've started the M15 image gallery now.

More help for tribal decks
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_14d70w9rxn.png)

Demon who really hates tutoring
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_zqhswofjze.png)


This set already looks a lot more interesting than M14.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 25, 2014, 10:24:19 AM
edh bird deck absolutely adores obelisk of urd.

Ob nixilis is also absolutely amazing in EDH. He’ll draw insane hate.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 25, 2014, 10:33:51 AM
Obelisk of bird!

The demon would be fantastic in my Ghave deck, but I suspect he's going to be expensive.

MTG salvation has this:

Quote
Resolute Archangel 5WW
Creature - Angel
Flying
When Resolute Angel enters the battlefield, if your life total is lower than your starting life total, it becomes equal to your starting life total.

Massively annoying with Roon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 25, 2014, 10:44:15 AM
I didn’t use that “anti search bird” in derevi. Will be cross if you use anti search demon! Don’t need anti search stuff in our decks when we only search for land.


I bet that angel would be cheapish too, as it looks very EDH specialised.
But wont use it! trolltastic, stalltastic and annoying!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 25, 2014, 10:50:20 AM
I think that green elemental thing that lets you search for a land by removing a counter can target other people... use that on someone while you have the demon in play!  ::heretic::

I'm not actually going to do that.


The angel would be grounds for allowing infect to be used!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 25, 2014, 06:54:49 PM
Is that table troll you like in it?  :biggriin:


Of course! Even though he doesn't really suit the deck, I can't leave the poor fellow out!



(http://mythicspoiler.com/m15/cards/goblinkaboomist.jpg)
How have you not mentioned this guy?? Kaboomist! Best name ever.

Most of the avatars look really good, blue one seems kinda expensive to activate but black and white look like potential game winning effects. The black one looks very tasty in any graveyardish deck. Even if you have to discard him or whatnot he comes in handy!


Ob Nixilis was rather painful in zendikar so not surprised to see him be super good again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 25, 2014, 08:43:29 PM
Anyone playing today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 25, 2014, 08:48:17 PM
No.

Ellie's crazy busy with work so means I'm taking on more other stuff. and needing to go to bed earlier to do so!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 25, 2014, 08:54:15 PM
That'll teach you to have kids!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 26, 2014, 01:15:24 AM
Thanks for the games today Rufus. Good to have a chance to try out Varolz. First game I was stupid to lose him to baby charm when I had things in play that could save him. Not sure what would have happened if I had, but it would have kept me going. Lesson learned there.

Ghave was a tough game. Wish I had thrown away more cards for land at the start. Though I got back in the game you were always in control (from what you said you had in your hand).

Think i need to just play the deck more carefully. My Angels or dragons can survive without the commander but I have a tough time making things happen without Varolz. But how you always pull butcher I dont know! And always when I don't have the right kind of removal!

Ah well, I shall have my revenge! (Maybe)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2014, 10:31:16 AM
You had some bad luck with your draws, I think, while mine were perfect!

Yes, high market would have saved troll-man from being banted if you hadn't tapped it. But you didn't know I had one in hand.

In the Ghave game I was waiting for you to try to get something out of your graveyard so that I could respond by exiling it! Mean.


More M15 things:

Exile-o-tron artifact that will see a lot of commander play.
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_wyb343cqve.png)

New, fair, version of Avacyn!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_f6nt7g8lkm.png)
I wonder if it's meant to be the original version, before she was imprisoned in the helvault?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 26, 2014, 01:59:44 PM
Lots and lots of angels in the new core set. That vault thing is nice but I think i would struggle with its high cost and slowness to use...

As for bant charm, i should have known you might have it as you and fin always draw it! I forgot about shuffle effects and assumed varolz would survive as I had plenty to sac. I could have waited a turn and cast him with mana to spare.

Ghave just got in top of me with a bunch of too big creatures with unfortunate effects. I reckon I needed board wipe to even stand the faintest chance and even then I was probably struggling. Not too worried about the graveyard removal as i have so many fast ways to fill it again but I really needed to get on top and it was looking bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 27, 2014, 04:17:24 PM
I absolutely hate the new magic website.

I want to ban perilous vault, too

"4 mana: opponents cant cast anything, unless they draw arti hate"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 27, 2014, 04:52:08 PM
Doesn't seem much worse than other board sweeps, like that disc thing for example.

What makes it worse?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 28, 2014, 04:13:18 PM
Doesn't seem much worse than other board sweeps, like that disc thing for example.

What makes it worse?
You see it coming, I don't think it is to strong.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 28, 2014, 05:28:42 PM
So, I seem to be making a deck with this guy:

(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/pc/164.jpg)

Because Mimoplasm is a silly name and bad art and this one seems to expensive...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=236479&type=card)

Though in fairness she does seem super good...


I feel like one of you guys had a vorosh deck too. I'm purposely not looking for any handy hints though cos I don't want it to be too combo tastic so I am just cycling through and picking cards I like!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 30, 2014, 09:36:31 PM
You didn't hang around long rufus.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2014, 10:03:03 PM
I turned it on by mistake!

Edit: I might be on tonight.


Also, I'm surprised that M15 is reprinting the painlands. Only the enemy-colour ones too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 01, 2014, 09:56:35 AM
it's not too strong, it's just stalltastic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 01, 2014, 10:15:41 AM
Had to go back and find what you were talking about.  :-P

I might well be on today too. As I am watching the world cup and Wimbledon on the computer I tend to leave gccg on just incase!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 01, 2014, 10:21:08 AM
You can cast and activate the vault all in one turn if you have the mana - not unlikely in commander. I like it!

Oh, and there's a new 5-coloured sliver legend in M15. It makes all slivers indestructible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 01, 2014, 10:49:14 AM
Bit broken?

I might have gone off slivers now anyways.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 01, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
Maybe it's not that bad. I suppose it would be a boring commander though.


New card that trolls Finlay's blink deck:
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_ay7o2daxb3.png)
I like the town in the background!


Convoke your artifacts!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_eentarhxv4.png)


Why did they reprint this? Odd choice.
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_i857glf34e.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 01, 2014, 11:20:52 AM
artefact convoke, and vedalken.
= incoming artifacts!

that gryff makes me want to not play my roon deck at all
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 01, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
I wouldn't use the gryff, since he would shut down my own coming-into-play abilities (it stops things like aura shards and ivy lane denizen too, so would annoy Ghave as well as Derevi). I just thought it was funny!


I think they said the engineer will be the only blue card with convoke.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 01, 2014, 03:57:53 PM
I find this new core set somewhat fascinating. Lots and lots of different creatures, even kithkin popping back up, lots of references to old sets. Just seems like a real hodgepodge of fun stuff. At first glance it appears like there will be lots of stuff that will be shoe-ins for already existing decks. The convoke artifact guy being a good example. I also noticed an elf that destroys artis and enchants on arriving. That would be handy for elf decks I am sure, not to mention fin's flickery deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 02, 2014, 10:21:31 AM
It does look like a great set - especially after the snorefest of M14. Also, it has squid!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/0004_MTGM15_TOK_EN%20copy.png)

Studies have shown that anything is better with squid.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 02, 2014, 10:38:29 AM
squid and kithkin. amazing
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 02, 2014, 04:40:55 PM
That token is very attractive for a token!

Wish they would update some of the older ones on gccg. There are some really nice new versions of things!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 02, 2014, 04:48:21 PM
yeh, the tokens is annoying. they also haven't done conspiracy, I really want to use Brago!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 02, 2014, 09:06:14 PM
They have to add the tokens. I demand a squid army!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 02, 2014, 09:09:21 PM
I'm guessing they will add the new ones, I just wish they would update the super old ones...

For instance we could have:

(http://archive.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/arcana/283_ZEN_Token8.jpg)

(http://www.collectorscache.com/storemodules/ProductImages/837/Soldier.jpg)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/1062_1_9l4sibqwja.jpg)

(http://www.buymagiccard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/goblin-token.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 02, 2014, 09:22:44 PM
Oh, I see. Yes, they should add those!

Also, there needs to be a pegasus token!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 04, 2014, 10:03:51 AM
The full set is up.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/magic-2015-core-set-card-set-archive-products-game-info


I like this:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/m15/sf0JdVsk2/EN_s84ccy5k3u.png)

Have some frogs!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 04, 2014, 10:25:29 AM
Turn them to frogs then hit them with an x damage spell, or overlioaded electrickery

Instant speed kill all opponent creatures for 5 mana, dodges invulnerability, and avoids “Death” effects. Amaze.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 04, 2014, 12:47:18 PM
Perhaps too good for 3 mana? I imagine that is going in most if not all blue decks in commander now! Good for control as you can do as fin said, good for aggro as you can use it to roll your opponent.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 04, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
It's quite similar to Sudden Spoiling (without split second, and 1/1 instead of 0/2) and costs the same, so I don't think it's overpowered. It's important to have counters to indestructable/hexproof creatures, and it shuts down combos too!

Plus, large blue frogs. Best card since curse of the swine!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 04, 2014, 06:04:11 PM
I guess it's easier than that to use to board sweep though. As mentioned, electrickery will do it, I think there may be a few black spells that give all over -1-1. I'm not saying overpowered so much as perhaps undercosted... but maybe it's not even that. I can just see it entering every blue deck we make it all.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 04, 2014, 07:00:15 PM
It's so good, I want to make a blue deck specifically so I can use it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 04, 2014, 09:38:52 PM
Activate memory jar => Siby suddenly 'has to leave.'   :Ohmy:

 :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 05, 2014, 01:02:17 AM
Haha, I'm not even sure if that card is too bad. It is fun though!

Sadly I had come on about 20 minutes earlier in hopes of getting in a game. When you came on it was getting dodgy but I really wanted to play. Then my wife got home early and we had to go out! Boo!

If it holds though we can try and finish next time. Really sorry about that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 05, 2014, 10:44:40 AM
Ha ha, it's OK. I should have been on earlier!

I hope we can resume that game, since I was just going to cast two things out of the jar!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 05, 2014, 03:56:50 PM
You getting on today at all? Would probably easier to finish it sooner while we have some vague recollection what was going on.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 05, 2014, 04:11:31 PM
I could play now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 05, 2014, 04:34:11 PM
Ok!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 05, 2014, 11:17:52 PM
Arrrrghhhh magic!

In fairness those games were all fine except the one where you used multiple land kill and semi infinite combo!  :-P

And the one where you locked me down with inifinite-feeling bounce! Or was that the same one?

But really I just need to learn to be happy to sit there and not do things until I have to. Maybe it's time to go back to walls and lifegain. They have always been my staples and worked for me! This tricksy Simic stuff is kinda fun but ultimately I just end up sitting there with a ton of stuff with counters on not really doing anything and then you just avoid the whole lot and kill me!

I'd be interested to see how Rafiq did vs other decks. You having no removal and me pulling the angel was unfortunate!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2014, 01:00:52 AM
The dwarf miner has never mined that many lands before! He's killed a couple of Finlay's before, but that was mine-tastic.

I think the bounce-o-clasm was a different game. Niv-Mizzet was on top form tonight! Sorry about the tandem lookout combo though.

You were close to an amazing comeback from 2 life with Vorrel!

Rafiq is horribly aggro-tastic, but I wouldn't mind so much if I played one of my serious decks against him. Or maybe I would mind! We'll have to try it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 06, 2014, 01:24:02 AM
Yeah, Rafiq is pretty aggro but I would expect Izzet to keep burning or countering him. Definitely have to try it.

I really kinda like that Vorel deck even though a lot of it's interactions bend my mind as I am trying to work out what order to do them. Very slow play in that game! It's a deck that can pull a lot of cool tricks out of the hat though. I probably just need to keep playing it to work out how to do things. Everything is still a bit new to me and rules like modular take some reading. I didn't realise till tonight that you can move the counters off them onto anything that enters the battlefield! Stealtastic with that mage I had out.

That miner was so pathetic and yet I could not for the life of me get something to remove him. The one thing I did pull you countered. It was definitely one of those games where it felt like however I played you had something there to stop it. But hey that can happen...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 06, 2014, 05:19:14 PM
Hmm just made a bizarre deck out of pretty much one set! I was just looking through the pictures and loved them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 08, 2014, 02:55:06 AM
That was the most brutal series of drubbings I have had since, well, yesterday!

Most brutal of the lot? Destroying all 3 lands I had before I had played a thing and then swinging for 9 a turn! Ouch!

I'm not sure what I am doing wrong but my land never seems to come out very well either. Ok, never = overstating. But even when i hit 5 or 6 lands it seems to freeze there. I'm not sure why. I usually play 39 with sol ring and a few fixers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 08, 2014, 09:20:01 AM
LD is lame!

You need me to play Siby, so you've got someone to beat.  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2014, 10:13:39 AM
Sorry Siby! My decks were working perfectly last night, while yours weren't at all. I'm sure you have enough land and mana fixing - it sounds like you use more than I do even. Bad luck! Not even getting to cast Rafiq due to lack of green mana was especially bad.

I expect I'm due to lose next time.


LD is lame!

Well, yes... but it was symmetrical land destruction. It was that ember thing from Theros that makes everyone sac three lands when it goes monstrous. The problem was that I powered it out with sol ring and mana vault, so that I could hit the 7 mana to activate it while Siby only had three lands! It's unlikely to happen again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 08, 2014, 12:47:19 PM
5 games in a row though! I noticed you were even taking your 'bad' decks and they were whooping butt.

I'll admit a lot of it did seem to be my decks hating me, but you know I reckon your deveri deck may just be very good! Played against it many times now even with my more sensible decks and it just answers everything. It also has great value in having a bunch of cards you can just use over and over. I can see the attraction a a general you can keep casting for the same cost and that helps keep your mana wide open.

I kinda want to keep playing against it till i beat it though! The problem is it doesnt really feel like a proper win if you get it through mana screw or something so i need to beat it fair and square!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2014, 01:34:15 PM
You know things are bad when even my Intet deck is locking you down!

I think the Derevi deck is pretty powerful, since it does have answers to most things and Derevi himself is amazing. That's why it's my favourite deck, and I sulk if I'm using a less effective one instead!


Quote
I kinda want to keep playing against it till i beat it though!

Ha! OK then!

Are you sure you haven't beaten it in a fair fight before? If not, then it's definitely time you did!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 08, 2014, 01:50:28 PM
I may have but I honestly can't remember if I did!

Might have to try Jeleva against it. I know she herself is a bit rubbish, but the rest of that deck is pretty handy... hmm I could switch her out for Tetsuo I guess, he seems not as broken as most of the black blue red generals, though still high value.

(http://www.mtgotraders.com/store/media/products/me3/Tetsuo_Umezawa.jpg)

But I still think Jeleva's power will one day prove to be amazing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2014, 02:06:14 PM
Hey, Tetsuo looks very good for an old legend!

Jeleva can probably work if you load up your deck with expensive spells for her to cast for free. And don't use too many counterspells, since her ability doesn't work for them so they'll be wasted if she exiles them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 08, 2014, 02:27:59 PM
I think that's the problem. I don't really want to change the rest of her deck as it works nice. So she kinda fizzles most of the time. If I were sensible I would probably switch her out for tetsuo and just make a whole new spelltastic deck for her...

I might leave that deck as it is for now and just make a jeleva 2 deck anyhows... so many silly spells out there to use!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 08, 2014, 06:43:25 PM
You need me to play Siby, so you've got someone to beat.  :biggriin:

If you would go ahead and get on sometimes I would.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 09, 2014, 07:19:37 PM
Think I will be getting on today at around 9ish, will have to head out around 11 though. Will be watching the footy and so will have it on in the background!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2014, 05:30:16 PM
Fin, you should put Resolute Archangel into your deck, bit expensive but it would make us cry if you ever get it down.  :-P

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383361&type=card)

Oh I just noticed you already said you weren't going to use it, that's a relief!

What's your opinions on cards like this? I guess it could come in handy if you can get loads of tokens or something but I never get decks like that in EDH in black. And there are so many  of them.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383193&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 12, 2014, 06:59:59 PM
Resolute archangel forces people to use infinite combos. Do not want.

Blood host looks OK if you have exit battle field effects. Not that good though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 12, 2014, 07:39:45 PM
Yeh those cards just always seem too expensive for what they are. Often seems to be vampires that have it too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 15, 2014, 04:05:18 PM
Rufus uses so many "block banned" cards!

lingering souls, memory jar, time spiral, thawing glaciers.

ok, so 4 = so many.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 15, 2014, 04:06:46 PM
Hey!

They aren't banned in commander!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 15, 2014, 08:54:13 PM
I tried playing a guy on there yesterday.

He beat on me with Roon, is there no escaping!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 15, 2014, 10:08:00 PM
i'll be on next week i hope!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 17, 2014, 12:19:08 PM
Bout time!

So I have been listening to this Canadian mtg podcast. They have also been pretty unexited about theros, though they do say ot is a lot better with the last set added in. When m15 drops do we lose ravnica from standard? If so I am curious how standard will be and tempted to retry it...

Also they are raving about the new draft set. Sounds like it throws some crazy stuff in the works which makes it less serious a format.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 17, 2014, 12:25:40 PM
No, Ravnica is in until Khans of Somewhere arrives in September. Standard always has two blocks in it.

I want to play Conspiracy but GCCG didn't add it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 17, 2014, 02:46:17 PM
Bummer! I liked a lot of ravnica but am feeling that readiness for newness.

I hear there is some kind of new legacy set coming out too that has some classic cards with new art. Hope they add that as some of the old stuff is just painful to use!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 17, 2014, 03:53:59 PM
I hear there is some kind of new legacy set coming out too that has some classic cards with new art. Hope they add that as some of the old stuff is just painful to use!

That's a Magic Online set, so it probably won't be on GCCG either!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 17, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
Boooo!

Ah well, still pretty excited for M15!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 20, 2014, 08:30:43 PM
I'm on for a bit hopefully!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on July 21, 2014, 04:47:13 PM
No, Ravnica is in until Khans of Somewhere arrives in September. Standard always has two blocks in it.

I want to play Conspiracy but GCCG didn't add it!
We played it last night, and it is very amusing!
Also Daphné was the winner... Giving us an Exploration :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 21, 2014, 06:09:48 PM
Got two boosters, battlefield forge. Ģ3 on mgtrader.
Got ob nixilkis, thoiught he'd be expensive but only Ģ1.20!



Got a spirit token!

Reclamation sage, probably use in roon deck. Peel from reality, probably use.

Ornithopter and netcaster spider_ and will forged golem. OK for sealed but I won't use.
The rest trash!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 22, 2014, 12:26:23 PM
Some m15 sealed tonight siby?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 22, 2014, 05:55:18 PM
Is m15 on there? I ain't seen it.

What sorta time you gonna be on?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 22, 2014, 05:57:16 PM
I don't think it's on yet:( might not go on now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 22, 2014, 06:01:53 PM
We could do something fun like sealed inistrad?

Or any other kind of sealed... or whatever  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2014, 11:02:10 AM
gonna make some sealed innistrad (2 packs of each set).

 Hopefully be on sometime around 9 tonight? My brother in law will be making me do fitness training first… (at least he has dinner on the table for when I get home. Think he should give the wife a few tips.)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 23, 2014, 12:38:30 PM
I'm travelling up to DC today, probably no laptop, so I won't be on till at least Sunday. Hopefully Rufus is floating about somewhere!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2014, 12:40:10 PM
Oh, sorry siby!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2014, 01:31:47 PM
I won't be on GCCG until Monday! By then maybe M15 will be on.


My brother in law will be making me do fitness training first

Ha, what kind of thing?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2014, 01:44:24 PM
running, hill sprints and yoga.


this week was the only really good week for gccg for me during ellie's somersetness.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2014, 01:49:42 PM
Isn't it too hot for running at the moment? I think so.

Sorry about GCCG, but I expect you have some computer games you can play instead!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2014, 01:50:51 PM
the hot just makes you sweat more!


or paint some dwarves!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
It's dangerous to exercise too much in hot weather!  ::heretic::

Yes, paint dwarfs or space wolves/orks! Rather than just hoarding army boxes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 23, 2014, 02:12:25 PM
Well we only run for a bit, in the valley near my house.

I committed the cardinal sin of army painting with the dwarfs- making my scheme too complicated. Puts me off doing more! Need to tone it down.

Will be waiting on space wolves till new book. And orks until… a while.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2014, 02:30:59 PM
Should have used a simple two-colour scheme!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 23, 2014, 09:30:02 PM
We play footy here in the 90s all the time! It does get unpleasant though I will admit!

And dont be sorry, I am staying with Wiss!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2014, 09:35:09 PM
You're used to that crazy foreign climate! We still live in chilly England, so a bit of heat is a shock!

Take photos of your epic gaming sessions at Wissenlander land!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 24, 2014, 10:02:20 AM
Is it just me, or do the filters on new MTG site just not work at all? Where are the command tower articles?!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2014, 11:27:53 AM
They're in there somewhere, but everything is a lot harder to find.

A lot of sites are changing to a horrible side-scrolling tablet/phone format that makes them much harder to use and uglier to look at!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 24, 2014, 11:31:56 AM
I put a filter for "command tower" and it doesn’t do anything! Grrrr so shit. What was wrong with the old website?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2014, 11:42:31 AM
It doesn't work for me either. Rubbish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 24, 2014, 12:25:35 PM
found the one from last week

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ct/fifth-element-commander-2014-07-17
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 24, 2014, 07:41:57 PM
Obelisk of urd says hello to my derevi wizard deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 24, 2014, 10:06:22 PM
It might be better than Door of Destinies. More reliable anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 25, 2014, 11:58:19 AM
I think gatherer comments are broken too, since there haven't been any on the M15 cards.

Is this any good for commander? I think maybe.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383329&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 28, 2014, 10:24:17 AM
First info on Khans of Tarkir!

It really is based around wedge colours. Here's an orc dude!

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artofmtg.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2FZurgo-Helmsmasher.jpg&f=1)

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/566513-magic-panel-at-san-diego-comic-con-2014


Oh, and the next Commander set will be five mono-coloured decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 28, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
is wedge colours what we wanted? so more BUG commanders etc?

that Orc looks BEAST.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 28, 2014, 10:34:20 AM
Yes, it is what we wanted! It looks exciting!

Not sure about morph as a returning mechanic though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 28, 2014, 10:46:32 AM
a wedge set, but not a wedge block.

so the second big set will probably be bant, jund, etc the naya team colours.
which i want more of too! tri colour is ace for commander. and they'll have to have helpful lands too.

dont think ive ever used a morph card.

commander 2014 is out 7th november, with 5 monocoloured decks.
monocolured? boo that shit!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 28, 2014, 11:02:28 AM
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so the second big set will probably be bant, jund, etc the naya team colours.

Maybe! There's some sort of time travel theme apparently, so I suppose the world changes radically between sets.

It's nice to see orcs again too. Maybe we'll also get dwarfs!


Morph is something I've taken against without really using! Because face down cards look daft. But I expect I'll get used to it.


Monocoloured decks with planeswalker commanders! Not sure about that. I wonder if they're doing monocoloured so they don't have to put a lot of non-basic lands in?

Also, surely the blue deck will be the best!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 28, 2014, 04:18:56 PM
That orc guy looks cool. More commanders like him! I see him in an edh deck full of stuff that gives trample or fly!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 28, 2014, 09:34:30 PM
He's not in the best colours for trampling or flying! You want green and blue for those really. Still, I like him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 28, 2014, 10:22:19 PM
Well white is ok for flying, plenty of enchants. I thought red had some trample enchants too. But I guess there is also always artifacts to throw in there! Black white has that flying lifelink enchant which would be horrific!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 31, 2014, 09:53:59 AM
Hey, I thought of Ob Nixilis + Fertilid first, MTG bloke!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/obs-ends-2014-07-30

 :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2014, 03:42:26 PM
angel of finality

bane of progress

draining whelk

swords to plowshare

unexpectedly absent

1000 year elixir. - not in stock at magic card trader. so need suggestions. Do want to add brago, king eternal.


also, is it super annoying having only 1 card and using it in 2 decks? i think it might be.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2014, 04:01:04 PM
They have loads of swords to plowshares in stock! The cheapest are the conspiracy ones, though they still cost 2 quid. Maybe you meant oblation, which they don't have.

Thousand-Year Elixir is on, but only the lorwyn version. 2.40 instead of 1.20 for commander version.

Unexpectedly absent is 6 quid anyway, so I wouldn't expect you to use that unless you bought the deck.

I don't think the angel, bane or whelk have direct replacements. Maybe look at some of the creatures you considered before but decided not to use? Though not deadeye or prophet!


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also, is it super annoying having only 1 card and using it in 2 decks? i think it might be.

I find it annoying, so I don't do it. But it might not annoy you! Depends if you find buying two copies of the card annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
My roon deck is a bit dodgy anyway (not very reliable) so I'm worried about making the "real" version I have a bit crap by changing things, whcih will then annoy me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2014, 09:49:05 PM
M15 and Conspiracy are now on gccg!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2014, 09:37:33 AM
We need to do a conspiracy draft on GCCG.

Siby, have you installed the new cards yet?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on August 11, 2014, 09:50:42 AM
Does any of you still play paper magic? If so how do you prepare for a set release? or you dont?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 11, 2014, 09:59:52 AM
yes, no, no. :D

I guess my two main decks are commander ones. and the thing about Khans exciting me most is adding wedge colours to help wedge commanders

I don't think many people would say I "play" magic. at least not properly.

during innistrad and rtr, i had some standard legal decks, but were all built pretty budget. I didn't like Theros at all, so don't have any current standard decks.
If Khans is good, I'll probably get some more again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2014, 10:08:44 AM
I would say that I play paper magic casually. I don't go to tournaments, and I've never been to a prerelease either. I would quite like to try a prerelease sometime though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 11, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
I would play paper magic all the time if it wasn't for the people. The game is great. The people are sadly often quite mad, quite scary or quite annoying which is a bit of a put off. For about a year maybe i drafted once a week, but that was a while back.

I haven't installed the new sets yet but i certainly can do. How would we pull off a draft? Let some random join in?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2014, 10:24:16 AM
Can you draft with just three people? We could do that followed by a 3-player game. I just fancy using the special Conspiracy cards.


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The people are sadly often quite mad, quite scary or quite annoying which is a bit of a put off.

Oh dear... worse than warhammer players?  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 11, 2014, 10:40:16 AM
Rufus, Don’t you remember them all hollering and carrying on in the lgs while we were warhammering? It’s putting me off going to the LGS to play!  There were also loads of little kids, and I don’t want to play them. It’s lose lose situation!

I much prefer playing paper to digitally, but of course I do enjoy being able to play with people I know and try ideas and cards before buying.

Siby, I had to edit a file to add a new source, and then run update everything and install cards… I cant remember what the file was though, rufus will!

@realjuan, I’m quite interested in what sort of answers you expected, what planning would you expect or be normal?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on August 11, 2014, 11:35:12 AM
Well I am considering getting into magic, so I figure to start on the right foot. I know some youtube channels do a review of a set before it comes out, and which cards they think could be really useful. I dont know if the whole card list is release before and if http://draft.bestiaire.org/ will have the option to draft. I think the pre-release events you choose which color you want to be? How would you choose your color?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 11, 2014, 11:53:13 AM
Have you ever played magic before?

Magic cards are slowly "spoiled" officially, in the run up to release. Eventually the whole set is visible, a fair while before release I think. Some cards, the power level is obvious immediately. Othertimes the popular cards slip through early, before people realise. In true "competetive" play, there are normally only a handful of archetype decks at any one time, so if you go to tournaments you normally will know what you're expecting to see before you go, in general.

Khans only has one card spoiled so far, though.

I havent done pre releases so not sure about picking colours. But you probably choose colours based on what ones you prefer the most!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on August 11, 2014, 11:57:29 AM
I played casual magic for a year or two from Odyssey to Mirrodin. Never won anything, but never invested a lot of time/money or even check online stuff. Was just to meet friends.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 11, 2014, 11:59:17 AM
check spoiler, discuss here (we're not great players, but a decent sounding board!), watch on youtube, read articles on wizards site (although the new website is crap).

A warning: forums for mtg are incredibly hostile and "hivemind"ish!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2014, 04:01:52 PM
I think the pre-release events you choose which color you want to be? How would you choose your color?

You do... but they are sealed-deck events, so you might end up not actually playing that colour. You normally get five normal boosters plus a special seeded booster - this one is biased towards the colour you chose. For the last few sets, you also got a predetermined rare card in your colour (or two-colour guild, for Ravnica). So you'd know in advance that if you, for example, chose red you'd get the Dragon of Whatever. This is changing with Khans - instead, you get a random card from a limited selection of possibilities. I think the change is in response to the predetermined card warping the playing field (because some were better than others). Also, for Khans you'd chose one of the five clans (each of which are three-colour), rather than a colour.


Quote from: Finlay
Siby, I had to edit a file to add a new source, and then run update everything and install cards… I cant remember what the file was though, rufus will!

Yes, I can provide the instructions if necessary! I wrote them down.


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Rufus, Don’t you remember them all hollering and carrying on in the lgs while we were warhammering? It’s putting me off going to the LGS to play!  There were also loads of little kids, and I don’t want to play them. It’s lose lose situation!

True, but weren't many of them yugio players?

There must be plenty of nice people who play magic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 11, 2014, 04:16:21 PM

There must be plenty of nice people who play magic!

There definitely are! The problem is that if you go to one at your LGS you are stuck playing whatever you are stuck with. I'm sure on the whole it is similar to warhammer players though I would hazard that the overall age range is a bit lower too, which means you are gonna have that to contend with. Not super low, but to be honest I find a lot of late teen to early twenties people annoying. Too opionated and big for their own boots. Again, I am generalising. .

What I would really prefer is to find a small group of people I actually knew to play a draft or something. Which if I really wanted to I reckon I know enough people that play I could make it happen, but I am already running a campaign and such, more organising may result in head explosion.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 12, 2014, 05:00:58 PM
Lob me those instructions Rufus and I will see about getting it up to date today!

Does the new set come out in September? That's nice and soon! So ready to see the back of Ravnica. Maybe as everything will be all new and different we can try a bit of standard then. I feel like RTR is just so much a huge part of the current standard that it might be quite a shake up... or maybe it's just that we played so much ravnica...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 12, 2014, 06:58:23 PM
I'd rather eliminate theros, and merge rtr and KHANS.

yes, it's due at end of september
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 12, 2014, 08:02:30 PM
So bored of rtr though, same old boring guild strengths shine through...

I think theros will automatically become a bit more interesting with rtr gone.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 12, 2014, 08:38:16 PM
I think I remember you being super ready for innistrad to cycle out too.

It will hopefully be interesting, as we played so little theros it might be like 2 whole new sets!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 13, 2014, 10:23:21 AM
I probably was! I think part of it is that i only really play you two and we all gravitate to certain things so you end up seeing the same cards over and again. Not really a big problem but it does mean you can bored faster.

I think our lack of theros play is what makes it exciting yeh. It will be a whole new thing to investigate and find what we like. I can't really make you guys do this but i will try and avoid looking at other people's stuff so that i don't settle on the power cards straight away! Or at least if i do i can claim i am a master deck builder.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 13, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
I like Ravnica! You're mean.  :icon_sad:

 :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 13, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
You are just obsessed with izzet!

So i hear sealed m15 is not bad. Lots of potentially decent decks in diff colours so maybe we could do some of that? I'll make one up ready if that works with you guys too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 13, 2014, 03:35:11 PM
True!

Finlay and I played a couple of games of M15 sealed the other night. It was OK I think.

So yes, I'm keen to do that! I should be on tonight, but after that I'll be away for a few days.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 13, 2014, 05:08:44 PM
I shall try my best to do likewise then!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 20, 2014, 03:12:14 PM
Finally, wedge versions of the Alara lands.

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/aasdjb_DDN/en_i56uq8mrff.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/features/aasdjb_DDN/en_i76l61416c.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 20, 2014, 04:01:09 PM
I want to make an edge EDH deck now
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2014, 01:51:46 PM
I want the GWB land for Ghave, and then I want to make a new deck in one of the other combinations!

I wonder if they'll do 3-colour charms for this set, like the Alara ones. And maybe panorama lands too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 21, 2014, 02:21:28 PM
i presume they will, or some other mana fixing stuff. Maybe some wedge tappy guys like the Ģ40 noble hierarch!

the ideas of the guilds sounds cool too!

raid and prowess seem quite interesting mechanics.

Abzan Houses – White ManaRed ManaGreen Mana, Aspect: Endurance, Khan: Anafenza, Symbol: Scales, Theme: Control
Jeskai Way – Blue ManaRed ManaWhite Mana, Aspect: Cunning, Khan: Narset, Symbol: Eye, Theme: Tricks
Mardu Horde – Red ManaWhite ManaRed Mana, Aspect: Speed, Khan: Zurgo Helmsmasher, Symbol: Wings, Theme: Aggro
Sultai Brood – Red ManaGreen ManaBlue Mana, Aspect: Ruthlessness, Khan: Sidisi, Symbol: Fang, Theme: Resource manipulation
Temur Frontier – Green ManaBlue ManaRed Mana, Aspect: Savagery, Khan: Surrak Dragonclaw, Symbol: Claws, Theme: Midrange fatties

gur with midrange fatties- sounds like my deal (Temur). and uwr "tricksy hobbits" sounds fun too (Jeskai).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 21, 2014, 02:48:34 PM
Just a reminder for rufus

"Commander is about a journey, not a destination. It's founded on a principle that for many players, the most important thing in a game of Magic is the gameplay, not the result, and that style and flavor are also important."

YOU'RE A BAD PERSON FOR ENJOYING YOUR 4 TURN WIN SO MUCH.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2014, 03:37:15 PM
Dude, that's harsh.  :icon_sad:

Or maybe you're a bad loser!


The clans or guilds or whatever do sound cool! Not sure yet which I fancy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 21, 2014, 04:02:25 PM
I’m a bad loser when it’s 4 turns in commander, which paradocxically makes me a good loser as I should oppose such things!

I didn’t rage when you killed me when you were on 1 health and I had all 3 gods out though, did I.

I’ve looked at the dual commander rules- no tucking, and a different ban list. Derevi banned as commander! I find ghave way more annoying than Derevi.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2014, 04:18:22 PM
Ha, winning on 1 life was amazing!  :icon_razz:

The dual commander rules are goofy. They're intended for competitive play, so are at odds with that statement you quoted above.

Derevi is banned in them because of all the lockdown stuff you can do with winter orb and some other ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 21, 2014, 04:25:28 PM
the statement quoted above was from the guy on the edh rules committee.

they interview him in one of the command tower articles, and talks about dual commander a little bit later on. (that quote is about the first thing he says)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 22, 2014, 07:49:03 AM
How did this turn 4 win happen?

Also, we don't really play proper commander so the whole spirit of the game thing doesn't really hold too true.

Eg. We start on 30 life, that encourages quicker kill tactics.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2014, 08:40:11 AM
I think the Roonosaurus didn't play anything much, and I aggroed him into conceding. It was only funny because Finlay was so annoyed!  ::heretic::

Don't we start on 30 life because you thought the games took too long? I don't mind going back to 40.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 22, 2014, 09:38:58 AM
I think turn one was land, sol ring, magic haste shoes.

By turn 4 I think I had maybe 2 or 3 land and nothing out, and rufus had several creatures, so I rage quit lolol.

We play a mix of dual and non dual. The thirty life from my point of view is mainly to speed up the games.
We also play much more to the “spirit” than the rules, without tutoring, infinite combos etc. although the guy in the interview says that part of the “spirit” is playgroups making own rules.

It does work a lot better irl than on the programme though. I found there were less rubbish games where one player didn’t do anything, only one really short game and we had two epic games, the aforementioned one where rufus beat me on 1 life when I had 3 gods out, and another game which took an hour where I was placing huge threats, and rufus kept on wrathing them away. Eventually managed to win with a hasted 1/1 prime speaker zegana. Probably only time ever I’ll cast her as a 1/1
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 22, 2014, 02:12:14 PM
Is that partially due to full engagement with the game irl? I actually kinda like the speed and tidiness of playing online but you do lack the engagement factor a bit.

Did I suggest 30 life? I'm not saying we are wrong, just that it is a hard thing to quantify where the spirit of the game lies.

Turn 1 sol rings are painful. So much advantage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 22, 2014, 02:25:47 PM
I think so. I love the tidiness of the lands, and not having to actually search the deck for lands.
but never enjoy the games as much.
me and rufus just played like 4 games in 45 minutes, and all were crap! one land screw for him, 2 land screws for me, and one where he just got loads of good stuff out early and I couldn't come back.

I really want to play more multiplayer as it brings in the diplomacy side, but I HATE the small cards on the programme, and then find it takes ages as people check out when not their turn, and in 3 player it will always feel like someone is being ganged up on.

it's impossible to quantify the "spirit" of the game.
but also there's no such thing as "real" commander- as the guy on the rules committee says:
 
"That's why it's driven by a social contract; other formats have a set of rules and beyond that, anything goes in the pursuit of victory. Commander says that's not enough; figure out as a group what you want from your games and optimize for that."


30 life is purely a convenience thing, from my perspective. nothing to do with spirit!
no tutoring, price limit, our own ban list, no infinite combos. that is all spirit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2014, 02:26:41 PM
Sol ring is completely broken, but for some reason it's the sacred cow of commander.

Real life games are faster, I think! I swear half the time on the computer people are playing pokemon or something at the same time. I pay less attention if I'm in a mood because I'm losing.  ::heretic::

Maybe Finlay suggested 30 life.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 22, 2014, 02:31:25 PM
I wouldn’t mind banning sol ring. Would just have to remember to put it back in if I was ever going to use my decks irl in multiplayer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2014, 02:35:46 PM
Either it's banned or everyone has to use one. That sucks... but it actually doesn't bother me that much.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 22, 2014, 02:41:56 PM
Yes, and I put them in each deck. But I’d be perfectly happy to cut them out instead of auto include, if they annoyed siby.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2014, 02:59:07 PM
Up to you then, Siby!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 22, 2014, 05:59:03 PM
The pressure!

Well to be honest, I hate any card that feels like an auto include in every deck (lands aside) which I really feel like sol ring is. It is one thing to be auto include due to a colour because that at least gives some variety. So I would love to ban it. With the 30 life things especially if someone can get it out early it can be very hard for the other to recover cos they are effectively two turns ahead in what mean heavys they can put down.

We could try banning it and see if our lives feel much worse without it?

I usually don't do anything else when I play online. Apart from maybe dash off to put the kettle on. It takes too much concentration to be doing multiple things. If I go slow it is either my brain needing lots of time to fathom what is going on, or my wife is talking to me.  :-P

Maybe we could try multiplayer again if we find a 4th person, that way we won't have as easy a time of ganging up.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2014, 11:11:13 PM
There's probably a slightly-less dodgy mana artifact to replace it with! OK, we can drop the sol rings.

I get more impatient when I'm looking at a screen waiting for something to happen than I do if there's a person there.

Finding a fourth player is tricky, since random people on the site won't make their decks to our rules. It'll be all tutors and original dual lands. Time stretch. Tooth and Nail.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 23, 2014, 02:30:45 AM
Won a game with this card today:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=226589&type=card)

Felt slimy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2014, 08:12:06 AM
Ha, Siby had a deck that used loads of that sort of card!

Sneaktacular.


p.s. install GCCG and play with us, Cannon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2014, 09:42:20 AM
I really like the idea of steal cards, but I'm sure if I used them I'd actually steal someones cards
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 23, 2014, 01:57:03 PM
Yeh I do like steal decks. They are hard to play against, but are very dependant on your opponent actually having some bombs worth stealing. In a widdly deck you are screwed!

I think the really mean one i had was with tymeret or whatever his name is. Steal creature, attack with it and then sac it, weee!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 23, 2014, 10:26:53 PM
How do I GCCG?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2014, 11:33:38 PM
I'm glad you've found your way on there, Cannon! Hopefully we can play soon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 24, 2014, 12:24:27 AM
I built something called a Rakdos, and I think it is most likely terrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 24, 2014, 12:45:48 AM
what formats do you play irl?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 24, 2014, 12:50:13 AM
what formats do you play irl?

I got a passel of free cards from PAX East and I sometimes play with my nephew. So ... regular? Unleaded?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 24, 2014, 08:55:52 AM
ok!

we should probably play sealed to get you into the swing of things.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 24, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
Or play a couple of games with standard decks first? Rakdos is in standard!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 24, 2014, 02:18:31 PM
I don't know what playing sealed means. I haven't really played a CCG since Pokemon in the 90s.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 24, 2014, 02:26:25 PM
Sealed is when you open 6 packs, and make a 40 card deck from it.

Standard is I think the last two years worth of releases. So currently its the ravnica block, theros block and m15. In September a new block is released, and ravnica won't be standard legal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 24, 2014, 02:44:39 PM
If someone explains to me once again how I install it I would give it another try too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 24, 2014, 05:05:19 PM
If someone explains to me once again how I install it I would give it another try too.

I downloaded the rar file, unpacked it to my desktop, then ran the gccg.bat, mtg.bat, and mtg cards.bat. That worked for me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 24, 2014, 06:00:05 PM
Anyone ever tried the cthulhu one?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2014, 09:42:14 PM
No!


Now, big changes in Magic land! No more core sets, and each block will be two sets instead of three. But they're going to do two blocks a year instead of one, and cards will only be in standard for eighteen months instead of twenty four.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mm/metamorphosis

Drama!

I think losing core sets is fine, because there isn't much point to them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 25, 2014, 09:44:31 PM
ah!

Ah!

change!!! run.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2014, 09:46:38 PM
I like this change!

They're replacing a 3-set block and a core set with two 2-set blocks. It should be more interesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 25, 2014, 10:06:44 PM
so all the blocks will be 2 big sets?

is Khans still gonna be 3 sets?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2014, 10:12:02 PM
They're saying that blocks will (usually) be one large set and one small. Like Lorwyn-Morningtide and Shadowmoor-Eventide.

Khans is still 3 (large-small-large), and there will still be a core set next year. It changes after that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 25, 2014, 10:23:37 PM
after reading the article, i dont even want the core set next year. I think a really good change.

"Are we ending the blocks too late, after the majority of the players are ready to move on? Is the problem with the third set not execution but its very existence?"- and in this very thread we've had siby who was desperate to leave innistrad, and rtr.



interestingly, i dont think you could fit all 10 guilds into only a large and small set? (so convenient they've just done rtr)
and will the alara wedges fit?
perhaps they'll do a double large if need to do something like that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2014, 10:38:34 PM
Exactly. I like that they are prepared to make such major changes to improve the game, instead of sticking with a bad structure for historical reasons. Theros didn't really need two expansions, and RTR could have done without Dragon's Maze.

Next year's core set is probably already in development, so they couldn't cancel it!


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perhaps they'll do a double large if need to do something like that.

I think so. The article made it clear they'd still vary the structure to fit the needs of the current theme.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 25, 2014, 11:11:15 PM
Well thought out and reasoned, honesty to customers (khans only 18 months standards), and communication.

Vs flash releasing an unnecessary new edition.

Flash releasing a supplement?/moving towards ending the game, with no info.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 25, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
Dragons maze was wank though, wasn't it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2014, 12:24:57 AM
I think the third set often seems to feel a bit pointless or like maybe they could just pick the best cards from it and scatter them amongst the other 2.

I am curious to see how it pans out but I like the idea of standard changing faster quite a bit. I think by the end of it, it often feels a bit stale and we don't even play that much. It must get super boring for people who play the same decks consistently for the whole time. (I am guessing)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 12:27:14 AM
No cries of cash grab? 

Come on.  This slices three months off competitive decks, forcing a new investment each time.  You leech another year of cash of competitive players every four years.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 26, 2014, 02:21:41 AM
You're so bitter, Philly.  :engel:

I'll be on gccg tomorrow if anyone has time to slaughter me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 02:34:47 AM
Hey, when you actually are dropping $200 on decks to play in real life, these things matter!  I always hated the sinking feeling as the next set approached.  Now decks have a one year time limit.  They are forcing more spending to play competitive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 26, 2014, 03:33:38 AM
Just don't play competitive. Problem solved.


On a completely unrelated note, how do we feel about sliver decks?  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2014, 07:53:36 AM
Did you read the article Phil?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 09:49:00 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 09:57:33 AM
On a completely unrelated note, how do we feel about sliver decks?  :engel:

I don't like them much, but I'm fine with other people using them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2014, 10:20:07 AM
Yes.
And you think this is less sensible, less logical, less justified, worse communicated, and more of a cash grab than 7th ed?

It’s interesting you say end of set = doom, when article talks about excitement and energy. Obviously I get excited because I don’t pay for standard, so no money worries. But then I should be less excited, from a gaming point of view, than those fully invested in the product.
I wonder how many think doom, and how many think excitement and energy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
I don't think it is doom, and I actually do agree with the assessment that it will make for a more dynamic game.  The third set hangover is pretty well understood and I think accurate.  But I think something can be both a game improvement and a cash grab at the same time - which is what 7th edition and the formation/dataslate system, is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2014, 10:42:54 AM
I feel as if Magic focus on improving the game, with the profits coming naturally. The first objective is to solve “third set” problem.

Where as GW force the game “improvement” to artificially make profit in the last financial year in response to their terrible financial figures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 10:55:39 AM
Reasonable, though I think the clear improvement in system and the more dynamic style from 5th - 6th - 7th shows that GW was responding to complaints about how the game was playing.  5th was stable, but boring.  6th added fun elements like real allies and more dynamic army comp through data slates.  7th corrected the psyker system and undid some of the deathstar problems while further balancing the CC/shooting aspects of the game started with 6th.

Real life competitive Magic can get expensive.  I generally play on a budget.  I dump $250 for the initial deck on average, then another $150 or so to modify as sets come out.  You then have another large block of money when the last large set rotates out.  But that is a cycle that often takes 18months or so to play out.

Now with the new system, yes you have cards moving in and out more rapidly, but obviously, that means real life players now need to buy those cards.  It does mean the game is more dynamic, but it also means that Wizards can grab up cash on a yearly basis rather than every year and a half.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 11:09:45 AM
If Games Workshop engaged with their customers and explained themselves the way Wizards do, I would have less to complain about. That Magic article explained and justified a major change in the way they publish their game in such a way that most reasonable people will be fine with it.

Games Workshop seem like a remote machine that randomly spits out rules and models with neither warning nor reason. Is there anyone in there?  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 11:13:32 AM
That is true.  GW's greatest issue is its unwillingness to give a look at the "inside" of development.  You can see the results if you take the time to look at the changes and remove the cynicism, but people are LOOKING to beat up GW for their every action.  There isn't a lot of reason involved.

If you aren't a competitive player, then I am sure this change is all great!  Really though, most of the competitive players I know will just suck it up, much like most of the war hammer players I know. They will dislike having to redo their deck all the time, but at least you won't see the same deck with a few moving pieces for a year or more.

Warhammer has other aspects to the hobby, so having the same army isn't a big deal whereas Magic is just the game.  It needs the cycle to keep it fresh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2014, 11:21:26 AM
people are looking to beat up GW because they've been acting like fuckwits for about 5 years.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 11:26:05 AM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 11:53:32 AM
people are looking to beat up GW because they've been acting like fuckwits for about 5 years.

Completely disagree with that assessment.  As a game, 40k has never been better.  5th was more stable and clean, but not dynamic.  7th is proving to be a great trade off between 5th and 6th.

I think money concerns drive your cynicism.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2014, 12:13:16 PM
GW financially, have done shit looking at the last 5 years in total.

They've totally fucked the business looking so short term, and now they are starting to reap what they have sown.

BTW, I've never had more buying power in my life than I do now. I can afford to buy whole new GW armies, on a whim.

Instead, I choose to spread spending across comics, video games, magic, and some GW stuff. I never buy direct from GW, and most of the purchases come in discounted army box type deals.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 12:15:21 PM
I don't think we need to talk about GW any further in this thread. Let's stick to Magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2014, 12:21:11 PM
magic is awesome! yeah!

new Khans card for Siby!
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/dragon-throne-tarkir/
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 12:26:41 PM
Ha, throne of walls.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 12:57:30 PM
I don't think we need to talk about GW any further in this thread. Let's stick to Magic.

I think it was perfectly reasonable given the similarities in situation and the discussion of magic in the GW suicide thread.  Probably a dead issue though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2014, 01:06:46 PM
I am a bit late to the discussion and I don't know anything about 40k but GW is doing a pretty super job with fantasy right now. I would agree their main problem is not really letting people in on the process though. If they were a bit more human maybe people would be a bit warmer towards them. It just kinda feeds the evil cash grabbing overlords view that some people have about them.

Both companies I am sure are focussing on whatever they feel will make them the most money, whether it turns out to be the right or wrong thing! Just makes sense really...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 01:34:58 PM
This change in Magic is similar to what GW did with 40k.  In order to increase option and the dynamic nature, they are increasing the pace of releases to increase the cycling of cards in and out.  If you are playing online and aren't really buying the high dollar cards that are required for competitive play, awesome.  If you are a competitive player, you are paying for the dynamic nature of the game, exactly like 40k right now.  They opened up the game but you need to pay for it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 01:36:53 PM
Points = made. Let's not go on about it! This isn't a back table borefest.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 01:39:52 PM
Come on, we have been talking about the shift in Magic.  It isn't off topic and it is perfectly legitimate to draw parallels.

This change is a double edged sword for real world play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 01:41:14 PM
I mean it's boring to keep on about it. You've made your point already. Why keep repeating it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 01:43:24 PM
Because Siberius popped in and I responded?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 01:45:29 PM
Fine, go for it!

Maybe we can get some back table goons to come in and repeat themselves as well so that we can enjoy the full experience.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 01:55:53 PM
Well I think that is the end of the conversation really.  It is a neat idea, and Wizards really does work to keep things interesting with their various promotions.  But for those periods I am a competitive player (I am not a constant player) I always felt pressure to strike while the iron is hot.  The issue with MTG is that if you are a competitive player, you have a limited shelf life for your deck.  When you could conceivably maintain a deck for a year and a half, you could get out and play 30+ tournaments while living a normal life (not that common for real competitive players to be honest!).  But with half of your deck getting killed every 6 months, the pressure to hit every friday night magic is huge, forget the fact that lots of clubs don't even run standard EVERY friday, they often drop at least one Commander tournament in.

In my area, Commander is becoming more and more common as players back away from standard.  People end up with massive amounts of cards and aren't that interested in "keeping up with the Jones."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 02:05:00 PM
I mainly play commander now. Standard falls into patterns too quickly - someone plays a card, and you immediately know what they're going to play next. And it happens in much the same way in most games. I remember all those Innistrad games that used to go: turn one champion of the parish, turn two gather the townsfolk, attack for three. How exciting!

I do sympathize with people's cards rotating out at regular intervals. But that's always been the way it's worked.


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But with half of your deck getting killed every 6 months

Hmmm, isn't every 2-set block going to be in standard for 18 months?


Have you tried commander, Phil?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2014, 02:10:32 PM
I know I didn't even consider playing standard as I would be horribly outclassed by expensive decks. Which is a pity in a way. That is one thing I guess warhammer does have going for it. If I wanted to play competetively I actually wouldn't really need to update much as new stuff came in as very little really goes out of date. But that's probably a whole other thing as it is only really supposed to be semi competetive.

Drafting was where I went because you paid for a fun evening where you could be competetive and then get a bunch of cards for it. If this thing comes in and I did start drafting again it would probably actually be a good thing as it would keep it fresh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 02:13:06 PM
Looking at their little animated gif, it looks like blocks only last 6 months.  As soon as the first set of the third block arrives, the entire first block is pulled, leaving decks to make do with the second block and first part of the third block.  I could be wrong, but from the other commentary articles I read and the info from the site, that looks to be the case.  And it sort of makes sense given that the point of the process is to move cards in and out at a quicker rate to keep things fresh, which is perfectly reasonable as a game, but somewhat hurtful on the wallet.

Yeah, I play Commander and really enjoy it.  Different style from standard and a nice diversion, but I am sort of old school in my tastes and just like a nice 60 card deck and the construction that goes along with it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2014, 02:17:48 PM
hmm, was gonna respond to siby in the BT thread, but he's "pure of heart"... dilemma.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 02:21:43 PM
Looking at their little animated gif, it looks like blocks only last 6 months.  As soon as the first set of the third block arrives, the entire first block is pulled, leaving decks to make do with the second block and first part of the third block. 

It shows standard as always being three blocks, and either five or six sets. Once there are three blocks, the next block pushes out the first one. So yes, there is a rotation every six months. But each block is around for eighteen.

So I think you've misread it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2014, 02:23:05 PM
Standard when “full” will be 3 blocks big, phil.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 26, 2014, 02:59:56 PM
Fine, go for it!

Maybe we can get some back table goons to come in and repeat themselves as well so that we can enjoy the full experience.  :icon_razz:

I completely disagree with whatever Philly says...on anything.

 :::cheers:::

Canīt really comment much on magic though as I havenīt been sucked in lately....I play Heartstone though.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 04:13:51 PM
Standard when “full” will be 3 blocks big, phil.

Ah yes, I see that now.  Looking at the schedule on the bottom, it does still look like the sets will be slightly shorter or am I reading that wrong?  Might be artificially extending the old style due to the core set.

Oh wait, I just sorted it out.  Previously, you had a set for two years, start to finish.  From the point where the first set released to when it left, it was 2 years.  I just looked at the release/rotation schedule for the previous few sets.  Return to Ravnica for example released October of 2012 and rotates out this fall.  Under this format that rotation process goes from 2 years to 18 months, which matches with the reduced number of releases.  Not as large a margin as I thought since both rotation schedules are 6 months longer than I figured.

It really didn't seem like sets were 2 year rotations, but that might be because between when a set is fully usable (3 releases in the set) and when you are getting ready to phase out those cards (a couple months before they rotate out) you are really looking at a shorter window.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 26, 2014, 04:14:45 PM
Somebody play with me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 26, 2014, 04:18:23 PM
Standard when “full” will be 3 blocks big, phil.

Ah yes, I see that now.  Looking at the schedule on the bottom, it does still look like the sets will be slightly shorter or am I reading that wrong?  Might be artificially extending the old style due to the core set.
blocks will be standard legal for 18 months, not 24.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
hmm, was gonna respond to siby in the BT thread, but he's "pure of heart"... dilemma.

It was that or leave the site altogether. Can't take the unnecessary rage and name calling that makes up 90% of what goes on in there...  :-P

Not sure why people can't argue something without resorting to that, especially when you are typing and not even face to face.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 26, 2014, 05:08:00 PM
Standard when “full” will be 3 blocks big, phil.

Ah yes, I see that now.  Looking at the schedule on the bottom, it does still look like the sets will be slightly shorter or am I reading that wrong?  Might be artificially extending the old style due to the core set.
blocks will be standard legal for 18 months, not 24.

Yeah I caught that in the paragraph below the quoted one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 26, 2014, 05:40:42 PM
hmm, was gonna respond to siby in the BT thread, but he's "pure of heart"... dilemma.

It was that or leave the site altogether. Can't take the unnecessary rage and name calling that makes up 90% of what goes on in there...  :-P

Not sure why people can't argue something without resorting to that, especially when you are typing and not even face to face.

Amen to that!  :blush:




I played four games against Siby, and he absolutely destroyed me. It was hilarious. I have added more land to my deck. :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2014, 08:48:01 PM
I'm on the magic site now if anyone's around to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 26, 2014, 11:41:32 PM
Sorry I ran out just as you came on fin. Husband time.  :-P

Playing standard again is quite a shock to the system. Super fast games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 26, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
Ok, I have a deck with no slivers in it! Just a lot of disposable guys that I can hopefully use to pump up my Bairns, and more spells to pump out more elementals (that can be sacrificed to pump up bairns).

EDIT: After testing, it can get pretty silly, but it's also fairly easy to counter. I also have a white angel deck now that sort of relies on gaining life.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
Angels and lifelink, now you're talking!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 10:06:53 AM
Two of them! Evil game-stalling lifegainers!  ::heretic::

I enjoyed those games last night, Cannon! Oh, and you too, Siby - we played a couple, right?

I need to make more standard decks. I have a terrible selection that haven't been updated since Born of the Gods.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2014, 10:12:19 AM
Yeh, i was surprised to take out that second game after the drubbing you gave me in game 1, but I did push a lot of stuff out onto the board.

Judging from the couple of decks I played yesterday mine are theros and back for the most part. Will have to do some updating.

I found slivers inreresting. They could seem a bit rubbish for a while and then the right guy drops on the board and boom they are all double strike with vigilence. You should tinker with them cannon, I think you could find some better value instants and didn't m15 have a couple more slivers?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 10:19:20 AM
In a couple of weeks RTR and M14 will be gone from standard, and Khans of Somewhere will be in! Big changes.

Silvers are definitely good. M15 has a special sliver land too. And a five-colour megasliver.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2014, 10:51:59 AM
Ha, knew that would pique your interest, siby!

I’m excited for new khans standard, but casting ground assault for the 7th time in 3 games reminded me again why 3block is good, and I like EDH!

I might make some standard decks too though, as all mine are non standard! RTR, innistrad and m13!

I found the sliver deck either won easily, or was easily destroyed. If you cant remove the double strike one, it gets nasty quickly. On the other hand, if you can snipe the key ones, and get big creatures out, they struggle. As I suggested, and cannon also said, a 3 colour deck is probably nastier!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 10:59:11 AM
Cannon had three-colour slivers when I played him! It worked well.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 27, 2014, 11:05:21 AM
What kind of sets can I use to make my decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 11:08:33 AM
Standard is currently these sets: return to ravnica, gatecrash, dragon's maze, M14, theros, born of the gods, journey to nix, M15.

Or we play commander, which uses very different deck construction rules!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2014, 11:12:58 AM
RtR, gatecrash and dragons maze are all cycling out in about a months time, so maybe not worth building decks from them. Although I guess a month is a while!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 11:17:34 AM
May as well use them for the last couple of weeks! It's not as if you have to buy anything.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 27, 2014, 11:22:17 AM
I like those last ones as they have a Greek theme.

theros, born of the gods, journey to nix.. I think I just put in all cards I like and you guys will tell me which ones you have outlawed already.

Silence for example looks way too good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2014, 11:29:01 AM
We tend to play standard quite “gloves off”. Although don’t copy the tournament winning lists!

I should like theros… but didn’t. Quite janky mechanics, despite the cool theme.


Silence basically just stops combat tricks, because you can cast your sorcery’s or creatures in response to silence being cast, before it resolves I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 11:29:24 AM
I think no one uses Silence except in a combo deck, on the turn the combo goes off.

We normally try to stay away from the most expensive cards, which tend to be the ones people use most in tournaments. But we haven't played Standard for a while so I forget which they are! Probably you should use what you like and we can complain about it later!  :icon_razz:

Oh, and we traditionally don't use planeswalkers.


Quote
because you can cast your sorcery’s or creatures in response to silence being cast, before it resolves I think.

No! You can only respond with instant-speed things.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 27, 2014, 11:31:46 AM
I think you even canīt respond with instants as it says all spells cast before are not affected.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2014, 11:33:58 AM
we almost always start a new block as “gloves off” and then restrict based on price, once people have found the beardiest stuff. Can’t see any objections with running it gloves off for now and into Khans for a bit!




ok. which reminds me, I should finally read the rules... he says and then wont :P

fandir, relevant section = "Silence also won't stop your opponents from casting spells after you cast Silence but before Silence resolves." so silence goes on the stack, opponent can respond with instants, which resolve. Silence then resolves, and no more spells can be cast.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 11:34:57 AM
This card:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370578&type=card)

I cast it. It's on the stack, so has no effect yet. You can respond with any number of instant-speed spells or effects. They resolve before silence, since they are above it on the stack.

Once silence resolves, you can no longer cast spells that turn.


Silence is danger... but it's not, not quiet here, so why you scared?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 27, 2014, 12:20:07 PM
Hmm so just no creature and sorcery spells.....? Right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 12:26:10 PM
Once it resolves it will shut down all spells they could cast. Better cast it in their upkeep though, since if you wait until their main phase they have priority so can can cast even a creature/sorcery/enchantment/artifact before you are allowed to play silence.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
I have always wanted to use it. If you got lucky and got a couple early on it could be quite meaningful. Say you stopped turns 3 and 4 for them whilst spamming out little dudes. But never have, shrug.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 27, 2014, 03:09:45 PM
Once it resolves it will shut down all spells they could cast. Better cast it in their upkeep though, since if you wait until their main phase they have priority so can can cast even a creature/sorcery/enchantment/artifact before you are allowed to play silence.

I'm not sure about that.  You can't put a sorcery or creature spell on the stack before instants resolve.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2014, 03:14:11 PM
I have always wanted to use it. If you got lucky and got a couple early on it could be quite meaningful. Say you stopped turns 3 and 4 for them whilst spamming out little dudes. But never have, shrug.
In our aggro-tastic sliver vs gruul matches last night, a turn 3 and 4 silence would probably be enough to swing it, yes. It definitely seems usable!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 03:24:20 PM
Once it resolves it will shut down all spells they could cast. Better cast it in their upkeep though, since if you wait until their main phase they have priority so can can cast even a creature/sorcery/enchantment/artifact before you are allowed to play silence.

I'm not sure about that.  You can't put a sorcery or creature spell on the stack before instants resolve.

What I mean is that someone can't play an instant on your turn until you pass them priority. So if it's the start of your main phase, you can immediately play a sorcery before they have the opportunity to play an instant. They can respond to your sorcery, but they can't preempt you.

Just as you can cast a planeswalker and then play his ability (sorcery speed) before anyone can remove him. He might still be removed before the ability resolves, but they can't stop you putting it on the stack.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 27, 2014, 04:59:27 PM
Somebody get on so I can try to make these angels work!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 27, 2014, 05:34:25 PM
Once it resolves it will shut down all spells they could cast. Better cast it in their upkeep though, since if you wait until their main phase they have priority so can can cast even a creature/sorcery/enchantment/artifact before you are allowed to play silence.

I'm not sure about that.  You can't put a sorcery or creature spell on the stack before instants resolve.

What I mean is that someone can't play an instant on your turn until you pass them priority. So if it's the start of your main phase, you can immediately play a sorcery before they have the opportunity to play an instant. They can respond to your sorcery, but they can't preempt you.

Just as you can cast a planeswalker and then play his ability (sorcery speed) before anyone can remove him. He might still be removed before the ability resolves, but they can't stop you putting it on the stack.

Ah right, I took that to mean you were saying they could respond to silence with one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 27, 2014, 05:48:16 PM
One of the new slivers gives them all deathtouch. That's just wrong. It looks like M15 wants you to run an all colors deck with them though, because there are fewer of them, so you have to run 4 or 5 colors, and the Hivelord gives Slivers Indestructible and he costs one of each mana type.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2014, 05:50:39 PM
Which means a deck full of shocklands which means Ģ240 in land :D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: phillyt on August 27, 2014, 06:03:45 PM
Which shock lands will still be legal?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2014, 06:10:41 PM
All, for a month!

Cannon, I presume you've seen manaweft sliver?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 27, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
All, for a month!

Cannon, I presume you've seen manaweft sliver?

It's in my Naya deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 10:16:06 PM
I just won with Maze's End!

Ten different gates in play!

 :Ohmy:

 :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
hahahaha nice. I was just looking at that and thinking how pointless it was to be called "dragons maze".
I wish they had put more date dependant mechanics in.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 27, 2014, 11:08:53 PM
Meanwhile, I sat there with my lifegain deck just piling up to 45 life while he had only 5 left!  :eusa_wall: I was too scared of what strange unknown monster he was holding until he had 12 mana to play it, when I should have just attacked him.  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 11:13:17 PM
It would never work twice!

But that's OK, because I don't need to try it again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2014, 11:14:37 PM
got a biovisionary win, yet? :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2014, 11:23:49 PM
Yes! I ticked that one off against Siby ages ago!

Hmmm, there are still Azor's Elecutors and Hellkite Tyrant with alternate win conditions. I might try those.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 28, 2014, 12:30:21 AM
If anyone wants to play, I'm on now, and probably for the rest of the night.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 28, 2014, 09:36:36 PM
You know what my problem is? I try to theme my decks.  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 29, 2014, 07:46:30 AM
Ditto!

Sometimes that is ok cos the theme follows the strength but I often shoot myself in the foot trying to do it.

Some interesting cards being spoiled now. A funky mana producer just showed up, reminds me a bit of the one from alara.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2014, 08:00:51 AM
Hopefully it won't cost 40 quid like that one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 29, 2014, 10:16:36 AM
My guess is no, but it seems really versatile. I wonder if it's 2 mana base cost will make it nof quite so expensive, but if that wedge turns out to be really good who knows!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2014, 11:06:58 AM
2 mama base, no exalted = cost less.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 29, 2014, 03:12:28 PM
As long as it's not another tap/untap/tap/untap/tap green devotion for thirty mana kind of card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2014, 03:26:20 PM
(http://wintargetgame.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/soundclaw-mystic.jpg)

not as good as sylvan caryatid.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 29, 2014, 06:00:49 PM
The getting 3 mana when you unmorph it is quite tasty for fast ramp though... and means you can include some big heavy dudes without necessarily worrying about your mana not coming out right....
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 29, 2014, 06:38:27 PM
The getting 3 mana when you unmorph it is quite tasty for fast ramp though... and means you can include some big heavy dudes without necessarily worrying about your mana not coming out right....

But isn't that 5 mana to get 3?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2014, 07:07:28 PM
well it means you can spend 3 to cast if if you have 1 spare mana, and "store" the mana, get it back later. also colour fixes.

and i think you can tap it on the turn you morph too, once its been out one turn since putting face down.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 29, 2014, 08:28:20 PM
I am getting on in a few minutes I reckon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 31, 2014, 07:37:18 AM
Fetch lands are back.

Uw, UB, be, rg, gw.

Also cool other cards.

Temur ascendancy is perfect for marath deck. But wrong colours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 31, 2014, 07:51:26 AM
Ivory tusk fortress.

A 5/7 for 5 mama, that ubtaps everything with a 1/1 counter in it during each players turn.


In ghave colours.


Shit.

http://mythicspoiler.com



loads more cards up!

"avens" in ghave colours!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 01, 2014, 04:37:16 AM
So I have a deck where you race me to see if you can kill me before I force you to put your entire library into your graveyard and winning by default when you can no longer draw cards. The whole time I am also striving to counter every creature and spell card you try to play. It's not very nice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2014, 11:36:04 AM
That's called "milling" cannon!


also, I think wizards are nerfing planeswalkers?  Sorin especially is underwhelming.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2014, 06:33:42 PM
going to make a commander deck with this snakey wench.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/sidisibroodtyrant.jpg)

this will be an edh staple.
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/endhostilities.jpg)

this looks potentially edh fun.
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/howlofthehorde.jpg)

in marath, increasing savagery, cultivate, harmonize, boros charm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 01, 2014, 09:27:01 PM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/uginsnexus.jpg)
Anti-Rufus card?

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/cracklingdoom.jpg)
Seems like good value even in normal games. In multiplayer... very nice.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/narsetenlightenedmaster2.jpg)
Boring EDH deck filled with nasty instants and sorceries and stupidly expensive artifacts and enchantments? Snore.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2014, 09:28:16 PM
I like the Ghave elephant.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 02, 2014, 08:14:53 AM
Can we talk about how this card is total bullshit?

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/kwtkd3c7sh_en.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 08:19:02 AM
Ok.

It's not, though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 08:21:15 AM
It was an important aggro card in standard. But it's on the way out!

I'm excited about Khans so far.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 08:37:36 AM
Siby, isn't narset kinda the same as grixis attack-spell cast lady.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 08:48:48 AM
Similar!

Hey, the fetchlands they're reprinting cost Ģ30 to Ģ70 at the moment! Here comes a price drop.


Hmmm, not sure about this one with Ghave. Good otherwise though.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/anafenzatheforemost.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 08:59:44 AM
I want to use that against ghave!

goat chariot ftw!

I'm glad they're reprinting expensive cards. fuck legacy :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 09:25:32 AM
Ha, you'd have to play Ghave's colours to use it against him! She'd be good against BUG snake lady anyway. So I might use her.

Reprinting the allied fetchlands actually helps modern! They were only legal in legacy before (which is why the two blue ones are the most expensive at the moment). I predict that the enemy fetchlands (the zendikar ones that modern has inflated the price for) will be in the last set of Khans (which isn't using wedges).

Anyway, reprinting them is good. Hurrah for reprints! Down with card-speculators!


Of course, only one type of fetchland works for each clan. I guess that's why they put allied fetches with wedges (and enemy painlands in M15).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 02, 2014, 11:40:39 AM
Siby, isn't narset kinda the same as grixis attack-spell cast lady.

Not too far off. I forgot about her as I don't really use her to her full potential. Here is some horrific stuff I see this one using though that Jeleva can't...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=236459&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=288937&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=189653&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=198524&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=279712&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=244740&type=card)


Also, Jeleva only gets one set of cards per casting of her which she can only use when she attacks. This one in theory can push out a bunch of spells every time she attacks, plus she has hexproof, which is kinda nice. The main downside to her I see is her cost. You would have to put some decent acceleration in there if possible and with no green that is a tad more tricky...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 11:47:51 AM
If you load your deck with expensive spells you risk being unable to do anything!

So I'm not sure Narset would be all that frightening. She's also not that hard to kill in combat.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 02, 2014, 11:50:25 AM
It's true you would actually have to balance your deck a bit to get in lots of evasion for her. I kinda feel the need to try it now to try and prove it.  :-P

Course I forgot we have the price limit for EDH, I guess I am thinking in a normal situation.


EDIT!

Ha so it turns out I was right about Derevi's nastiness. Banned in whatever this is as a commander!

http://duelcommander.com/banlist/ (http://duelcommander.com/banlist/)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 11:52:42 AM
all those 7 mana spells you listed you will be able to cast the turn she can bring them in for free anyway, and akromas memorial and omniscience are broken without her!

I don't think she's that bad. only a 3/2 so easy to block.

I don't think she'd be horrificly broken OR that boring, as you said at the beginning?
looks kinda fun to me. A less janked Jeleva.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 02, 2014, 11:54:17 AM
Ah but with her, you can cast ALL of them on the turn after she comes out...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 11:54:41 AM
Most of those cards you quoted are quite cheap, money-wise, I think!

I'm not saying she isn't good, just that she's not as scary as some of the things we already use. Plus if you focus completely on her you're going to lose if she gets taken out. I try not to play that style of deck.


Quote
Ha so it turns out I was right about Derevi's nastiness. Banned in whatever this is as a commander!

http://duelcommander.com/banlist/

I know about that! We don't use their banlist. Plus it's banned due to interaction with cards I don't use (stasis, winter orb...).

Note that Oloro, the most boring commander in the world, is also banned by them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 11:59:59 AM
Ah but with her, you can cast ALL of them on the turn after she comes out...
only exile 4 cards, 1/3 of the deck is land, and you'll need creatures too or you'll just die.

she's 6 mana and only a 3/2. Needs protective equipment. If she gets tucked or killed a couple times, the deck's potentially in trouble.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 02, 2014, 12:03:12 PM
It's true you would actually have to balance your deck a bit to get in lots of evasion for her.

Do you think we should use that banlist? I mean, it is set up for 2 player and we use their life totals. Haven't used Oloro since you guys complained I don't think. Only ever used that deck once or twice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 12:03:43 PM
She can play land you've exiled, though you can still only play one a turn of course.

No, we shouldn't use that ban list. It's weird.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 02, 2014, 12:36:45 PM
Haha, i 100% knew you wouldn't want to.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 12:40:20 PM
Well, all it would do is ban Derevi!

Oh, and un-ban horrible, obvious things like primeval titan. Straight into every green deck it goes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 02, 2014, 12:47:40 PM
Maybe primeval titan is not so bad in 2 player? I think you would have to play some with it to find out. It seems obvious I admit but maybe there is a reason it isn't...

No banning of derevi? This makes me sad.  :-P But I guess I can feel better about playing Oloro again if I feel like it at some point.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 01:35:01 PM
Yes, primeval titan is absurdly overpowered! Really, how can you think otherwise?  :icon_confused:

That banlist was designed for competitive French commander tournaments. There's no reason at all for us to use it. It's no different to using a banlist made up by some random stranger on a forum!


Oloro is a stall commander. Playing him means you aren't trying to win the game, but instead are playing to not lose. That means long, boring games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 01:44:19 PM
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Yeah, it's worth mentioning that playing 1v1 is not necessarily the same as playing Duel Commander. Duel Commander is a competitive 1v1-only format, with its own ban list.

There's no reason you can't play your Commander decks (following the official multiplayer banlist) in one-on-one games. In that case, Derevi is not banned.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/558400-derevi-banned

Primetime is insane. His ability is better than Cultivate, which costs 3 mana. Call it a 4 mana ability. Which you can activate every turn, for free.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 01:46:59 PM
Plus the key factor in the titan's cheat-tasticism: it searches non-basic lands.

Non-basic lands!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 04:21:56 PM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/abzanascendancy.jpg)

sweet mother of Ghave.

the ascendancy's are amazing!

randomly, the mardu one isnt that good, compared to abzan and temur.
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ktk/cards/marduascendancy.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 02, 2014, 04:36:53 PM
Ok, I didn't say he shouldn't be banned. I just thought it was interesting to consider why he wasn't in that format...

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=241832&type=card)

He is a 6/6 for 6 which is alright, has trample, not the end of the world.

What he doesn't have is any real form of evasion or protection. So in EDH he can die to an awful lot of stuff. He isn't legendary so he won't even come out in every single game you play. I can kinda see why they might have let him in. I dunno. I'm not denying he is good. Just maybe not tear the world down good maybe.

He is too expensive for our format but I think even if he wasn't, he would hardly kill it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 04:43:59 PM
think you're wrong on primetime siby!

The ban panel on EDH are really not overzealous (ie, they probably should ban proph kruph, but wont), so anything they've done deserves it!

admittedly he would be slightly less broken for us without tutoring, but that's countered with the fact we have other less good stuff too.

it's still broken as hell.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
go look at explosive vegetation, which is one of the best land ramp cards. costs 4 mana

Primetimes ability is significantly better than this (search non basic). so for 2 mana more than vegy, you get a 6/6 trample body, and are able to use the ability again.


6 mana for "search for 2 non basics and put onto battlefield" would probably see edh play without the re-use or fatty trample body.


official reason why they banned it.
"Primeval Titan

One of the concerns that we've had recently is the overrepresentation of heavy ramp strategies to the point where it makes up a large proportion of the aggregate decks out there. While we think ramp should be good—this is battlecruiser Magic after all—it's probably a little too prevalent and needs reining in a bit. With that in mind we're banning the most egregious offender Primeval Titan.

This decision won't be universally popular. Primeval Titan is dripping with awesomeness and we ourselves are big fans of the card. But its ubiquity and effect on games couldn't be ignored and sad though we are to see it go we think it will make for a more interesting and diverse format."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 02, 2014, 05:39:30 PM
It is interesting what they do and do not ban.

Banning to increase diversity I can't argue with. After all, that's why we discussed (and I think decided to) banning Sol Ring. If it is in every deck it is boring. Perhaps they even should ban sol ring. Do you reckon there are many decks that don't use it? I'm guessing you would need really really good reasons to not take it.

I don't have any issues with primeval titan being banned really though. Having used and had it used on me a few times, it is a pain in the butt. Though certainly not invincible, it can accelerate you off kinda silly...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
I'm not sure I'd use Azban Ascendancy with Ghave. I don't feel as though it's good enough to replace the cards I'm currently using!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 02, 2014, 09:50:20 PM
Then your deck is too good!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 02, 2014, 10:32:36 PM
i think ascendancy is better than the elephant and the goat chariot lady.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Aldaris on September 02, 2014, 10:35:02 PM
i think ascendancy is better than the elephant and the goat chariot lady.

Seeing this sentence out of context was a pretty surreal experience.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 02, 2014, 11:32:41 PM
I should build a commander deck.

Would this be a good commander?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383385&type=card)

Also, how does commander work?

Would this be better? Is it legal?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=207915&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
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Also, how does commander work?

It's quite different from normal magic! Here are the rules for deck construction:  http://www.mtgcommander.net/rules.php

And here are the rules for playing:  http://www.mtgcommander.net/rules.php


We play some additional rules. We start at 30 life instead of 40, to speed up games. We also don't use 'tutor' effects - anything that searches the deck for a card, other than a land. This is because tutors undo the randomness of the decks and make the format boring (it also results in a lot of timewasting as people durdle through their decks looking for the right card). We also avoid using the most powerful cards, which we define as the ones that cost a lot of money to buy in reality.

Oh, and we traditionally don't use planeswalkers either.


Sliver hivelord is a good commander, yes. The overlord tutors, which we avoid!

Five colour decks are a bit unreliable, even with all the mana-fixing available.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2014, 10:53:42 AM
Back to Khans:

Trample and hexproof!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ktk/8arg43u984398yf/en_xzw26xtmfp.png)

Nasty removal spell. I suspect this will be expensive.
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Utter-End-Khans-of-Tarkir-Visual-Spoilers-190x264.jpeg)

In addition to being a hilarious cat demon, this is mean with delve.
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Rakshasa-Vizier-Spoilers-190x265.jpg)

Morph overlay card. Immediately makes me like morph more!
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ktk/7uhasdf2usnhz/en_01_sldjkfhkdf.jpg)

Interesting morph rules detail: turning a card face-up doesn't use the stack and can't be responded to! So if I go to morph my creature, and you try to respond by hitting it with Shock (for 2, to kill it before it morphs)... well, you can't.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/mechanics-khans-tarkir
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2014, 11:39:52 AM
its also an "anti grave hate for grave decks", i like the design.

hadnt seen morph overlay, like it! but had seen the others.

morph means no SS right, so turn 3 you play a 2/2, turn 4 you attack with it, turn 5 your morph and attack with the 6/6.

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Wingmate-Roc.jpg)
I really like this bird! blinky roon bird token generators
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2014, 11:51:22 AM
I nearly posted that bird! I thought you'd like it. Hey, is it mythic? Surprising.  :icon_confused:


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morph means no SS right, so turn 3 you play a 2/2, turn 4 you attack with it, turn 5 your morph and attack with the 6/6.

Right, turning face-up isn't coming into play. It's similar to an Inistrad double-sided card transforming. You don't get a new bout of summoning sickness.

Don't forget you can attack with the 2/2 and then turn it over after blockers are declared but before damage is dealt.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2014, 11:55:27 AM
morphtastic!

sounds annoying to play against.

guess that's why they put the morph hosing artifact in.



yeh, bird doesnt seem good enough for mythic. also wish he did something else instead of lifegain.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 03, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
If anyone is interested, I will be on today.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2014, 05:04:34 PM
I definitely won't 've.

Going to see guardian of galaxy
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 03, 2014, 05:24:38 PM
This is a real card:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74231&type=card)

WAT
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 03, 2014, 05:46:32 PM
I'll try and get on for a bit.

Cannon, there are two spoof sets, unglued and unhinged, full of cards like that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 03, 2014, 08:45:42 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=40197&type=card)
So, I have to build a deck around this. It's like, the law, right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2014, 09:04:55 PM
A doom cannon!  :Ohmy:



Today in the world of magic: invasion of the aetherlings! 5 at once, in commander.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2014, 12:25:06 AM
Progen mimic?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2014, 12:32:05 AM
Mostly. Plus a normal clone.

You can never have too many aetherlings.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 04, 2014, 01:23:03 AM
I was not excited about them! He just kept getting more and more, and I could do nothing about it because they were all indestructible!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2014, 08:18:50 AM
Well, that was Ms Avacyn's fault! She had to be cloned too.

The next game was an angelic beatdown anyway, so it evens out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2014, 08:26:38 AM
I find aetherlings annoying on their own, let alone four plus avacyn

How did you clone aether's and avacyn
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 04, 2014, 08:56:25 AM
So to put a commander to exile automatically it's /addpart to add the exile part in deck edit. There's a bunch of useful info on this page: http://www.soniccenter.org/sm/mtg/gccg-scripts/
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2014, 09:02:12 AM
That's useful!


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How did you clone aether's and avacyn

Stolen Identity on Avacyn (why don't I use that card more? It's really good!).

Progenitor Mimic copying my own Aetherling. Then a Clone copying an Aethering (now I think about it, I could have Cloned the Progentor Mimic instead for even more copies).

My Intet deck has a lot of clone spells.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2014, 09:24:29 AM
Stolen identity on the progen mimic- 2 progen mimics, when one attacks can put down another one, and clone something else with it! Spiralling infinite cycle of progen mimics!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
Even better!  :Ohmy:

I need to put stolen identity in my Niv-Mizzet deck too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2014, 09:37:06 AM
Rufus “mr staple” sparkfire :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2014, 09:41:19 AM
That's Dr Staple!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 04, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
Dr Who?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2014, 09:45:26 AM
 dr staple actually sounds kinda bad ass.

 
Dr Who?

i loled
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 04, 2014, 09:49:19 AM
 :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2014, 03:15:26 PM
Clone of doom!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ktk/8arg43u984398yf/en_hj6h524835.png)


Amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2014, 03:45:31 PM
nice, will probably be going in roon. (took our phyrexian metamorph as too expensive!)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2014, 03:58:14 PM
This one is mythic though! It adds a lot over the basic clone for the price of being more blue-heavy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 04, 2014, 04:22:18 PM
It wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't cloned Avacyn. I have board wipe spells that destroy all creatures, but while she was there I could do nothing, and my "remove from game" spells didn't come out, sadly  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2014, 04:43:47 PM
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Ankle-Shanker-Promo-Khans-of-Tarkir-Spoiler.png)

this looks nasty!

maybe even good enough for standard, although they wont like the /2 body. but haste somewhat counteracts that.

I really want one of those clones >_<
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 05, 2014, 01:58:49 AM
So apparently I save all my luck for playing Cannon.

Even my dodgy Jeleva deck looked invincible, though that was mainly down to making Avacyn disappear and getting Olivia out. I am realising now though that I definitely tuned my decks up somewhat to play against you guys. Cannon is using the kind of decks I actually like! Fun ones with a bit of theme. I should make some more of those.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 05, 2014, 04:03:17 AM
So apparently I save all my luck for playing Cannon.

You and everyone else!  :biggriin: I told you, I have a 27% win rate and I am okay with it. I have fun, even when you decimate me.

Even my dodgy Jeleva deck looked invincible, though that was mainly down to making Avacyn disappear and getting Olivia out. I am realising now though that I definitely tuned my decks up somewhat to play against you guys. Cannon is using the kind of decks I actually like! Fun ones with a bit of theme. I should make some more of those.

It's not nice to put my invincible mega angel to the bottom of my deck. Also, stop stealing my creatures! Get your own!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2014, 09:33:36 AM
"Dear rufus, we made you this card. Love, wizards of the coast."

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Mindswipe-190x265.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 05, 2014, 09:40:44 AM
Maybe we can do angels vs dragons. That should be pretty epic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2014, 10:27:49 AM
what's not theme about Marath: beasts tribal and 4+ power matters  :?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2014, 10:29:44 AM
It self-evidently is themed.

But anyway: maybe Marath can use some of the new RUG clan stuff, since their keyword is based on having a 4+ power creature. This is pretty good:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ktk/8arg43u984398yf/en_5w8qcczhcs.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2014, 11:35:35 AM
yep, thinking of it.

there are a bunch of 5+ power matters cards for mayael from alara, but my deck actually has a lot more 4 power iirc- I have 7 creatures at power 4.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2014, 11:40:04 AM
Unfortunately a lot of the cards will be RUG or GU so won't be useable in Marath!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 05, 2014, 12:44:49 PM
I like the 4power thing, gonna look to make some kinda deck around that in standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2014, 01:06:01 AM
Another day, another card that suits Ghave:

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Hardened-Scales-Khans-of-Tarkir-Spoiler-190x265.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 06, 2014, 02:46:24 AM
So I opened a couple of booster packs today, the first four boosters I have bought for M15.

Guess who showed up?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383385&type=card)

The Magic gods want me to play Slivers!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 06, 2014, 06:23:04 AM
Ha nice one cannon!

Marathon likes that card a little bit, but not sure worth a spot.
Defo annoying for ghave! Lol.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 06, 2014, 06:40:52 AM
I think combined with the slivers in 14 and 15, it could make a really nasty standard deck too. Especially if I overpopulate it with land and 4 of these:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383384&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2014, 09:05:43 AM
I think combined with the slivers in 14 and 15, it could make a really nasty standard deck too.

That's true now, but don't forget M14 is leaving standard in a couple of weeks.

You were lucky to get a good mythic from four boosters though. Hurrah!



Quote
Marathon likes that card a little bit, but not sure worth a spot.
Defo annoying for ghave! Lol.

I don't think I can fit that card in Ghave either! Too many good Ghave cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 06, 2014, 09:09:30 AM
I'd put it in ghave for sure.

Also, think it will be good enough for standard maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2014, 09:29:33 AM
But I'd have to find something to take out of Ghave. Not easy.

Yes, it should be good in a standard Azban deck. Which I'm going to make.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 06, 2014, 07:18:52 PM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ktk/8arg43u984398yf/en_qffyqwv5h7.png)

absolutely ridiculous card.

jeskai also get a 3/3 for 3 with flying, vigi and haste.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2014, 07:39:09 PM
That is quite bargainous. But it's what we expect from Magic these days!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 07, 2014, 08:37:50 PM
Bit good!

I should be on for a bit now if anyone is bored!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2014, 09:35:35 PM
You aren't there now! I must have missed you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 07, 2014, 10:28:42 PM
By about 5 or 10 mins by the look of if. Once it hit 10:30 I figured no one would show!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2014, 09:33:03 AM
That's a fairly likely time for me to arrive!

This is a weird turtle.
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Meandering-Towershell-190x267.jpg)


Another charm. I feel like the discard effect will cause timing arguments.
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Mardu-Charm-190x265.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2014, 09:48:22 AM
That turtle is weird indeed! What they need now is a hare creature that has haste and then can't attack after the turn it comes in...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 09:50:47 AM
jank turtle is jank.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2014, 09:56:21 AM
I think Mardu charm is weak compared to the BUG one too. The BUG one has two great effects and a decent one, whereas none of Mardu charm's effects are worth 3 awkward wedge mana.

But the Ravnica and Alara charms aren't balanced relative to each other either.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 10:06:15 AM
yup, was gonna say thats a shit charm, too.

one of the ascendancys was also wank?

No, not wank, but think temur’s is the best by a fair bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2014, 12:42:58 PM
I suppose with the charm you are paying for utility. You can use what you need depending on the game state. I think all those effects are worth 2 mana so I can see putting the extra one on due to being a bit of a toolbox. Perhaps it is more a case of the other charms being a bit too good?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2014, 12:48:28 PM
I suppose with the charm you are paying for utility.

That's true of all charms, of course. But some offer better choices than others. The new BUG charm offers Ultimate Price or Naturalise, plus a draw/discard option to cycle it away if you don't need either. Mardu has three effects that are sort of useful sometimes.

Look back over the ravnica ones and you'll see some that are an automatic 4-of in any deck of those colours, and some you'd never use at all. It's a shame.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 02:07:06 PM
boris charm!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2014, 02:15:19 PM
Boris is the main offender! But also compare Azorius or Selesnya against Rakdos or Dimir, for example.

Or in Alara, Bant charm against any of the others!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 02:18:25 PM
I used to think gruul charm sucks, but I've won my last 2 commander games with it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2014, 02:22:57 PM
Well, if one of those was that game against me: I'd already conceded before you played the charm! The game was won before that.

I'm not saying b-list charms like Gruul are useless, just that they aren't as good as others. I'd prefer it if every charm was roughly equal in power level.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2014, 04:05:39 PM
And in theory the cost of them should be along the lines of the higher ones. But then I am thinking of this from the point of view that they want to keep the game balanced and that is not true right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 04:13:52 PM
Huh?

I think they do want to keep it balanced. Standard should be "balanced", right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2014, 04:17:08 PM
I'm guessing not because it is way easier to hold things up next to each other than even warhammer and judge their balance. I thought there was a bias towards rarer cards being better. But that may just be hearsay. If it isn't, they are really really bad at design because even we can see gaping difference in card strength.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
of course, rare are meant to be better than uncommon, meant to be better than core.

there ARE and ARE MEANT to be exceptions.

in general, they try to keep the eco-system balanced, but in no means to they try to make each card balances vs each other card.




the problem with cycles like ascendancy's and charms is that they are in the same eco-system, at the same rarity. They really should try to balance them better, imo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 08, 2014, 04:27:28 PM
Which is why I hate Burning Tree Emissary. If you get all four of them in your hand you can literally put out 4 2/2 creatures for 2 mana and still have two mana left over. It might as well have a 0 in it's cost.  :icon_rolleyes:

I am okay with good cards, I'm not really okay with free 2/2 creatures in ever deck that uses red or green.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 04:28:42 PM
BTE aint even that good broseph.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 04:34:57 PM
compare to:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373562&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=368951&type=card)


don't get me wrong, BTE is a good card. but not "this breaks the game" complain worthy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 08, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
I'm not saying it breaks the game. It's just FREE and I see it all the time. You say those cards are better, but those cards require a mana commitment and you can't put four of them down on your second turn with a lucky draw. Seeing them in every green or red deck is what annoys me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 05:31:13 PM
I've never played more than one bte a turn, and often the extra mana is wasted.

Are you playing random people on gccg?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2014, 05:38:00 PM
I am guessing there is a pretty evil red/green bloodrush deck to be made with burning tree.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 08, 2014, 08:10:03 PM
Randoms on gccg, yes. I have had 3 played in a single turn against me, along with two satyr land untappers; and then the next turn he used them with the nyxthos shrine to nyx to play a 15/15 hydra. He had six lands on the table.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 08:29:19 PM
Your problem is playing randoms on GCCG, not the BTE!

they will be using beardy tournament decks, where as we don't.

I am guessing there is a pretty evil red/green bloodrush deck to be made with burning tree.
was never "top tier" tourament/competetive wise.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2014, 08:46:59 PM
Fin you are being confusing. You are saying the card is not that good, but that playing competitive tournament decks is the problem, but if you are playing against a hard tournament deck that uses it...  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 08:49:49 PM
one card does not make a tourney deck.

It's a good card as I said (never said anything close to "its not that good", just personally I don't think it's good enough to draw complaints about), but you're never (rarely) going to get anything close to the "play" cannon described when playing us.



Furthermore, I was responding to you talking about bloodrush, which was never a top tier/tourney/competetive deck archetype.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2014, 08:56:29 PM
BTE aint even that good broseph.

^ Fairly close.  :-P

Doesn't really matter what level of play it is used at.

Oddly I just managed to accidentally beat one of the randoms using my shadowborn apostle deck which is filled with them and a couple of demons. ratchet bombed the board and then used that black white spell I love to bring all my guys back. Never even got a demon on the table!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 08:58:36 PM
in the context of "it's not worth singling out for complaints", as in the next post i said "dont get me wrong, it's a good card"

I don't look at it and go "damn, that's broken".

unlike those 2 new khans 3 mana wedge creatures i posted the other day!


Oh, and Cannon seeing the same card all the time in the same decks is why I don't like playing competetive.
restoration angel and thragtusk -> snapcaster mage -> sylvan caryatid and Courser of Kruphix
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
You should stop talking about it and come play some!

Oh, and Cannon seeing the same card all the time in the same decks is why I don't like playing competetive.
restoration angel and thragtusk -> snapcaster mage -> sylvan caryatid and Courser of Kruphix

This is why it is sad they have to tilt the cards to make some glaringly better than others. I kinda wish that rare meant more that the cards had funky effects rather than just were out and out better. A bit more like rare in warhammer. Or at least conceptually.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2014, 09:20:39 PM
don't really want to, sorry! (and it's better not to play if not "feeling it")
I'll probably dive in more once Khans hits.

Delver of Secrets was a common and ran standard for a while! but it is usually rares, yeh.

final on BTE. It probably is better than I'm giving it credit for, and certainly a good card. Just not one that has ever annoyed me, and god knows i've played cards which annoy me!
but if it annoys cannon, that's obviously his prerogative.

Those sort of degenerate plays are why I don't play randoms on it, unless I'm feeling very generous.



talking about card design, I found an interesting article today abnout the lands they needed for 3 colour, but didnt read it properly yet.
If they made the lands too good, people played 4 or 5 colour. Then if they made them not good enough, people went to mono or dual, when they want wedge bases decks really.

standard might be a bit "slower", because the wedge lands, theros duals, and the refuges they're re-printing all come in tapped.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 08, 2014, 09:25:37 PM
No worries, definitely better not to play if you don't want to!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 08, 2014, 11:54:43 PM
I'll be on this evening if anyone would like to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2014, 08:25:59 AM
Maybe tonight (my time!) cannon?


I like the new common dual lands! Zendikar refuges, but in a full cycle!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ktk/8arg43u984398yf/en_nxdkswl3ur.png)

Good choice. So we'll have full cycles of temples and refuges, enemy painlands, allied fetchlands, and wedge tri-lands. Colourful!


I like this beastie too!

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ktk/8arg43u984398yf/en_x4p59deuyk.png)

Should be a serpent though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 09, 2014, 08:59:27 AM
the art looks computer generated and weird.
quite good, though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2014, 09:00:42 AM
Does it? I think it looks fine.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 09, 2014, 09:11:27 AM
the skin looks like it has no texture or detail
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2014, 09:17:39 AM
I can see a pattern on its skin!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 09, 2014, 10:21:40 AM
Some of the spoilers from m15 started a bit fuzzy. May be the same here.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2014, 12:20:49 PM
Could be!

Extorting rhino:
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Siege-Rhino-190x265.jpg)

Another charm:
(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Jeskay-Charm-Khans-of-Tarkir-Visual-Spoiler-190x265.jpg)

I think it's better than Mardu, but worse than BUG.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 09, 2014, 01:46:39 PM
It reminds me of the azor charm you kept using on me yesterday! Do all the new ones take elements of the old ones and just mix them up? I know I should go check meself but I don't seem to be.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2014, 02:00:26 PM
I think they're a mix of old and new abilities. That one has Boris charm's 4 damage to a player too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 09, 2014, 02:58:19 PM
Incredible rhinoceros!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 09, 2014, 11:24:58 PM
I usually get off work at 11PM GMT, or 6pm my time. This means except for my days off when I can play much earlier, you're all heading to bed when I come online, except siby, who can't stay up as late as me. This is why I am forced to play with randoms, and get guys putting their commander into their graveyard on purpose just to destroy all my nonland permanents.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 10, 2014, 01:00:43 AM
if you're playing edh on there vs randoms, you'll be playing vs decks which cost thousands of pounds.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 10, 2014, 01:45:02 AM
It's okay, losing is just as much fun as winning. It's the decks that don't allow me to play that aren't any fun.  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 10, 2014, 04:55:39 AM
I have played 132 games on gccg. I have won 31 of them.  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2014, 08:23:26 AM
guys putting their commander into their graveyard on purpose just to destroy all my nonland permanents.

The evil giant baby!

Some people have weird ideas about what makes for a fun game.



Also:

(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ktk/8arg43u984398yf/en_ajnl56wo4i.png)

Banners!


Also also, one man and his bear:

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Bears-Companion-190x265.jpg)

Bears! Fetch the bearscape!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 10, 2014, 09:51:45 AM
Personally, I’d rather not bother playing vs a deck where a single land card costs as much as my entire deck (Roon cost me about Ģ70. Marath possible a little more, but mainly because Rufus bought me the gods for my birthday). Seems a little pointless- my deck wont function at all.

More power to you if you can get enjoyment from those!

I like the banners. They’re the obelisks, with an extra effect. Cool!

I thought bears were 2/2 though :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2014, 10:36:40 AM
Right, there's little point playing against a vastly superior deck. You aren't going to win unless they draw badly.


The banners would have looked pretty lame if they were the same as the obelisks, considering they've since printed 5-colour artifacts with an extra ability for three mana at uncommon (or a plain 5 colour one at common). So instead we get 3-colour cluestones! Nice.


Giant bear! Double bear!


I've also just realised the GWB clan are called Abzan, not Azban as I thought.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 10, 2014, 11:00:21 AM
Right, there's little point playing against a vastly superior deck. You aren't going to win unless they draw badly.
not even win, just do anything!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 10, 2014, 11:40:36 AM
Ok I made a deck white/red weeny hoplites as theme.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 10, 2014, 12:45:24 PM
I underatand cannon's issue though. Trying to work around the hour or so we can play you guys is very tricky sometimes, especially as it is dinner time. And so if you want to play, you gotta play randoms. I played a lot vs those guys for a while. I tended to run leftfield decks which could pull a sneaky win condition or just bludgeon them. I think I would rather take them on in standard than edh though. My knowledge of card history is too small to effectively play.

I hate cards with pay a bunch of mana to sac this and draw one card. Seems like such an unhelpful ability. Most likely use it when you are desperate I suppose but the cost means you probably can't cast what you draw anyways...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 10, 2014, 01:11:18 PM
or use it in edh when you have 15 other mana sources.

I get Cannon's issues too! and for sure would play standard not edh.
at least OP standard decks are in the Ģ100's not Ģ1000's
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 10, 2014, 04:36:29 PM
Yeh you get used to what is coming pretty fast. I did find that I did better craftinf my own deck that suited my playstyle than try to compete with a netdeck.

That's what got me so keen on walls. My first real deck that could pull out regular wins was the ovegrown battlement/floaty lifegain wall/summoning trap deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 10, 2014, 05:25:09 PM
I'm on now if anyone wants to play.  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 10, 2014, 07:15:27 PM
Booo it keeps kicking me out!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 10, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
Try again, I want to play you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
I hate cards with pay a bunch of mana to sac this and draw one card. Seems like such an unhelpful ability.

Uh, it's a bonus ability. In the late game, when you have too much mana and no cards, you sac it to draw. In the early game, you use it to accelerate and fix your mana.

The alara ones were worse than this and you presumably used them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 10, 2014, 09:17:33 PM
Oh yeh, I like it as a mana source. I just find I never use the pay to sac and draw.

You coming on today rufus?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 10, 2014, 09:30:59 PM
We figured out that Cannons wiener deck is better than mine..I mean weenie deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 10, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
Just so it is recorded, Rufus just turn 2 sol ringed, turn 3 baneslayered. Followed by turn 4 Iroas. Followed by turn 5 Aurelia and then swung for like 30!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
Sorry! I genuinely thought that was a weak deck. I must have two different Boris ones.

I hate baneslayer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2014, 08:29:49 AM
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/ktk/8arg43u984398yf/en_1xtd9y36pp.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 11, 2014, 08:39:22 AM
This card:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=209044&type=card)
Plus this card:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=116725&type=card)

These were used on me to create an endless cycle of my opponent controlling my turns. It was not fun. Not at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2014, 09:32:37 AM
I refuse to play against Mindslaver. Ever.

Those who use it are bad people! Don't waste your time by playing them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2014, 09:38:42 AM
Right, there's little point playing against a vastly superior deck. You aren't going to win unless they draw badly.
not even win, just do anything!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2014, 09:42:05 AM
They aren't even doing anything clever. It's an incredibly obvious trick.

Magical masturbation!


Also: now that all five charms are up, it looks like Sultai charm is the Bant charm of this set - the one that's better than the others.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 11, 2014, 12:43:26 PM
I think in terms of expensive lands, they are not so crazy that playing against someone with them will kill you. I understand why you guys don't like to use them because of real life etc but I think they aren't the be all and end all. It's mostly the combos with the nasty cards that do it isn't it.

Magic is such a hard game to balance though. It's really nice when a game runs close as so often one deck just has a certain edge over the other and  is obviously gonna win with a little time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2014, 01:19:44 PM
Better lands = more consistent deck = win more often.

Allowing the best lands also promotes decks with more colours. And more colours means more efficient cards and a better deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 11, 2014, 02:31:24 PM
I am not saying better lands don't help. Just that it is usually the crazy creature rules that push games over the edge. I have rarely heard one of us say oh if only you had played a forest instead of that scryland!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2014, 03:35:46 PM
I am not saying better lands don't help. Just that it is usually the crazy creature rules that push games over the edge. I have rarely heard one of us say oh if only you had played a forest instead of that scryland!
definitely think you’re underplaying the importance of good lands. They’re in the same bracket as sol ring. They don’t kill yiu, but allow you to cast stuff which does.

But as a general example of inflated price points they are easy to point to. There are several cards I have excluded from Roon due to price (and some of them broken): Ephara, god of polis, Glen Elendra arch mage, and both Vensers. Phyrexian metamorph, mimic vat, that indestructible protective armour.
Both the cards in the combo Cannon listed are too expensive for me to buy, anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 11, 2014, 04:49:47 PM
I still don't mind the price thing too much as long as no one criticises my deck, when it follows the rules.
 
 :-P

Has anyone else played vs cannon's deathtouch fest deck? Pretty nifty.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2014, 04:56:14 PM
I wasn't talking about my deck really, just the same point of I dint think its fun to play vs decks full of 10-20 pounds creatures and 10-200 pound lands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 11, 2014, 06:33:55 PM
Has anyone else played vs cannon's deathtouch fest deck? Pretty nifty.

It has a serious problem against cheap early flyers. Someone just kept casting
(http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/BNG/stratus_walk.jpg)
on his cheap token guys:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373596&type=card)(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373612&type=card)(http://i.tcgplayer.com/71193.jpg)
So it was just those guys swinging away for 3 turns and not much I could do, because my hornets are so hard to bring out early. I am working on modifying my deck to help with this.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 11, 2014, 07:58:30 PM
Is the 1/2 deathtouch spider still in standard? He is great for green decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2014, 08:09:25 PM
Ha, Khans has Erase. Killing gods for one white mana is amusing.


Is the 1/2 deathtouch spider still in standard? He is great for green decks.

Deadly Recluse? He's in M14, so leaving standard in a couple of weeks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 11, 2014, 08:24:03 PM
What do you guys think of this card? I had it played on me by my nephew (using one of my decks at home) and it completely obliterated me. I wouldn't call it overpowered, but certainly against certain decks it's very strong.

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Stormtide-Leviathan-M15-Spoiler.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
I'm a big fan of that!

It costs a million mana, so it's fine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2014, 08:31:26 PM
8 mana!

not op in standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 12, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
Not sure how I feel about the crossover of some rules. Eg lifelink on a blue white red creature seems weird. I know it has white in it, but lifelink would seem more likely in say black white green say.

Has anyone mentioned the 3 mana 3/3 with vigilence, haste and flying. Ouch! Definitely some power in the set. Reminding me more and more of alara block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 12, 2014, 03:14:54 PM
The full set is up!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ktk-cig-en


I'm slightly disappointed that the only legends are the five khans. So only one new commander per wedge.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 12, 2014, 04:19:03 PM
Yes I already mentioned that 3/3 siby!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 12, 2014, 05:32:08 PM
The full set is up!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ktk-cig-en


I'm slightly disappointed that the only legends are the five khans. So only one new commander per wedge.

There are bound to be more legends in the rest of the set though eh? Even if they are just 2 colours.


Must have missed that fin!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 12, 2014, 09:35:38 PM
Well, my point was that wedge commanders are in very short supply. There are already loads of two colour ones.

You wouldn't have picked that rubbish dragon if there were more RWB commanders, for example!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 12, 2014, 10:51:48 PM
Gutted there's only 1 more wedge commander each.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 13, 2014, 10:23:23 AM
Well, nothing to say there won't be more 3 colour ones either right?

And my dragon guy is ok for edh. As we are in theory trying to avoid power decks he is fine I think. The main issue for that deck is the loss of the good red dragons to cost. But as there are only a few of them it isn't really a huge deal. I wish it was possible to make a good goblin/dragon devour deck but I think the prevalence of good removal in edh makes it even more risky.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
Well, nothing to say there won't be more 3 colour ones either right?

Khans is apparently the only wedge set.


Quote
And my dragon guy is ok for edh. As we are in theory trying to avoid power decks he is fine I think.

I'm not talking about power. I'm talking about interest. The commander is the focus of the deck, so needs to do something interesting and unusual. Without being obnoxious!

Looking at the Planar Chaos wedge dragons, I'd say that two have a moderately interesting ability (Teneb's reanimation and Intet's free-casting), two have a boring ability (Vorosh's counter-gaining and, um, the RWB one's damage to creatures), and the last has an obnoxious, game-hating ability (the RWU one's land destruction).

The other existing wedge commanders are mostly either boring or obnoxious - only GWB and BUG have a decent selection (RUG has three hideously broken ones, and RWB has Kaalia of the Cheat).

So the new ones needed to be good. Other than the RWU one (which looks fairly obnoxious), they are solid but unexciting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 13, 2014, 04:23:52 PM
I am gonna be on for an hour now, just incase anyone is bored  :-P

EDIT

I don't blame you for the milling by the by. Not after rakdosing your entire hand away. My deck was totally unable to deal with stalls though it is a testament to how slow your deck is that I spent the first 4 turns on one land and still got in the game!

Only one wedge set? Bit odd. Shouldn't worry you too much though as you don't use your commanders.
 :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 14, 2014, 02:18:15 AM
Not the most optimized version of this deck, but this seems interesting.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383206&type=card)x4
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380522&type=card)x4
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380392&type=card)x4
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=205015&type=card)x4
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=254118&type=card)x4
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=241985&type=card)x4
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373557&type=card)x4
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380402&type=card)x4
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373696&type=card)x4
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=207935&type=card)x24
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 14, 2014, 04:27:19 PM
I look forward to playing against it...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 15, 2014, 12:40:12 AM
I should be on for the next few hours if anyone wants to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 15, 2014, 12:39:57 PM
Those squid things are crazy. I only barely snuck those games.

Gonna miss populate when it cycles out. Don't really feel like I ever fully got to grips with it, though I did have some good times. Will have to start using it in edh more...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 15, 2014, 08:30:34 PM
Just played a random, beat him 2-1 with my beat you in the face with cheap demons deck. Double strike 5/5 in the air makes for a quick game.

He was playing a weird sorta blue green deck with prophet, polukranos, caratyds etc. I think he played the last game badly though. He could have used setessan tactics to kill my 5/5 demon with his big guy but chose to use a deathtouch scorpion instead which was much easier to get rid of. Ah well.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2014, 04:12:48 PM
I quite want Theros to rotate out along with Ravnica! I quite liked it, but I've had enough of it now.

I wonder when GCCG will get Khans. I'm thinking of going to a prerelease on Saturday, so would like to practice some sealed before then!


p.s. I never liked populate. It dictates the structure of your deck too much, just as heroic does.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 16, 2014, 04:41:12 PM
I find populate hard to make work for sure, but it is quite enjoyable when you get it firing. I think I might take it into EDH and try and get some more interesting tokens going. The ones in standard at the time are a bit boring but when you open it up there are some really odd ones you can use.

I keep wanting to do more heroic but it feels like a lot of effort to balance it out, beyond just taking a few lil white guys and a bunch of enchantments.

I am a bit tired of Theros itself but journey into nix is still kinda new to me so I like it.  :-P I keep thinking the gods must be due to rotate out cos they have been in for ages but have to remind myself they are actually theros!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 16, 2014, 04:56:12 PM
Siberius seems to think you guys will hate my new commander deck. I don't understand, he destroyed it in the last game we played.


Also, I really annoyed someone with my Golgari Deathtouch deck after you left last night Siby. It's pretty funny to see someone scared to attack with their 5/4 guys because of a little 1/1 snake.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 16, 2014, 05:28:25 PM
Hey I was scared to death too! The only way I would attack is once I could overrun with trample. Got lucky to get Nylea out those two games. I think what makes it tough is feeling like it is a horrible trade. Which it is when you are liable to pump out a bunch more lil dudes next turn!

The reason they will hate your deck is not so much power level as these things:

Your commander, Kozilek
Your theme, artifacts
And the fact you have some tutoring
Oh and you have Mirrodin cards

 :-P

I have an EDH artifact deck too which rufus hates. Though it is in Esper colours rather than colourless. I will have to play it vs you sometime soon, you might be more ok with it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 16, 2014, 05:52:27 PM
I picked Kozilek because he seemed tame compared to the other two big colorless legendary guys!  :icon_eek: I know the 15/15 is banned, but the 10/10 is indestructible, and destroys a permanent whenever he's cast! The only other truly colorless commander is karm, and he doesn't add anything to the deck.

Remember that time I got this guy out and made him monstrous?
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373555&type=card)

Good times. :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 16, 2014, 07:24:13 PM
Indeed, that's why I haven't got round to making a colourless EDH deck yet...

Yes, I do remember. I don't care who you are, a 20/20 trample indestructible is a tough prospect.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 16, 2014, 08:14:16 PM
And the game where you got this guy out:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366244&type=card)
And stole all mah nonland everythings.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2014, 09:11:44 PM
Which lands did you use? You know that basics are forbidden if your commander is colourless?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 16, 2014, 09:17:59 PM
He used good lands. All colourless.

Anyone coming on today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2014, 09:48:42 PM
I don't want to play until it has Khans!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 16, 2014, 09:56:46 PM
We could do sealed of some set from the past you like or such...

I must admit, any new deck I make I am making sure it will be legal under the new rotation.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 16, 2014, 10:24:37 PM
kozilek is Ģ20.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 16, 2014, 10:33:52 PM
kozilek is Ģ20.
You can get him for half that in Italian.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 16, 2014, 11:54:31 PM
I'll be on for probably the rest of the night if anyone's around.  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 17, 2014, 05:50:16 AM
Seriously, someone come play with me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 17, 2014, 03:54:05 PM
So question. Are conspiracy and the new masters set or whatever it was edh legal? If so I should really check them out better...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Conspiracy is legal, apart from the weird cards that obviously don't work in normal games (the 'conspiracies').

Vintage Masters is just a load of old cards. They are as legal in EDH as they have ever been (so, legal if not on the ban list).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 17, 2014, 04:05:09 PM
Vintage Masters was apparently designed specifically for Magic Online.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Because it's full of cards they are not allowed to reprint in real life!

It doesn't add anything new to GCCG though. Except the possibility of using it for sealed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 17, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
speaking of gccg, it's my day off, so come play with me!  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 17, 2014, 07:15:58 PM
Might take that up with you in a lil bit cannon if you are still about.

I guess some of the vintage cards have new art though right? Sometimes that helps! Or probably better rule phrasing too I am guessing.


EDIT

Infact I am on now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2014, 10:23:48 PM
Dismiss into Dream in the Derevi deck: too evil?  ::heretic::


Quote
I guess some of the vintage cards have new art though right?

I just had a look, and they don't!

Some of them did in magic online I think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 17, 2014, 11:11:02 PM
Well, I did zero damage to you in both games, and in the one game where I thought I might be ok, and got out six guys with what you have to admit was a very good (and fortunate!) play, you simply sent them all away by tapping and untapping a single land card.  :icon_frown:

It's very effective! It's about as much fun to play against as a recycling mind slaver.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 17, 2014, 11:45:00 PM
Yes, we've already discusseddismissed Into dream

Bad Rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2014, 12:42:24 AM
I just wanted to try it!

But it made me feel dodgy, so I'm going to remove it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 18, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
It made me feel whingey. :-P  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2014, 12:45:43 AM
Fair enough! I wouldn't have liked it either.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2014, 10:02:39 AM


I said I was thinking about using it, you said it’s mean plus it’s better for derevi, I said im not going to use it then, if you’re derev-threatening (I also don’t like it when our decks have too many of the same cards).

Uses it anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2014, 10:33:56 AM
It does cost seven mana though! And it still requires some help to make it work (I happened to have azorius guildmage plus loads of mana).

You had just played the robot of infinite affinity and the robot of 'your life total is locked,' Cannon, so you aren't exactly innocent of powergaming!  :icon_razz:


Also, update on the Commander banlist:

http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17210

Braids, Cabal Minion is banned
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary is banned
Erayo, Soratami Ascendent is banned

Kokusho, the Evening Star is unbanned
Metalworker is unbanned


There's quite a lot of forum rage about it!

Also also, still no prophet of kruphix/deadeye navigator ban.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 18, 2014, 02:40:40 PM
What are people raging about, their decks being made illegal?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2014, 03:46:38 PM
They're just annoyed about those cards being banned.

I've signed up for a khans pre-release on Saturday! I'm playing Abzan.

Do you have to bring your own basic land to a sealed deck event? I'd better bring some in case.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 20, 2014, 02:09:50 AM
So Siberius was showing me what for, and clobbered my artifact deck three games straight, which was fine. Then we switched decks and this happened:

(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r316/cannonofdoom/PoorSiby_zps215ee314.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
Do you have to bring your own basic land to a sealed deck event? I'd better bring some in case.

I know when I used to draft, you just used land from the shop's supply. But different country and slightly different format so who knows. Good luck though. I keep wanting to do a pre sealed event but they are so much more to buy into than drafts so I never did one.


So Siberius was showing me what for, and clobbered my artifact deck three games straight, which was fine.

You know you won the middle game of that with your weird artifact thing that makes little artifact things. I had a billion saprolings going but you snuck the win in the air. That was quite the epic game too. But Vorel did me proud. That deck has so many different ways to get a win, I really like it. The 48/48 trampling hydra in game one was definitely my favourite thing of the night.  :engel:

I really felt like I was in a good position in that last game though, initially. I had 3 of those big llanowar dual colour monsters in hand that I could play! And then the ability with karador to pull them back out. But I could never catch up. Was an impressive angelic display. Maybe I need more enchatment destroy in that deck.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 20, 2014, 03:07:24 PM
I completely forgot about my Pyravite win! Talk about a close one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2014, 04:05:18 PM
So, I went to the Khans pre-release today. It was fun! I did quite badly! There were three rounds: I lost my round one match, drew the round two, and won the round three. I made an Abzan deck that kind of sucked.

I did bring my own basic land, but the shop had a supply if I'd needed them.

I won one game with this wall:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=386479&type=card)

It did the last two points of damage!



I got the blue/white fetchland (expensive!) in one of my boosters, and accidentally left it behind at the shop.  :eusa_wall:

But, I phoned the shop and they say they've put it aside so I can collect it tomorrow. I hope it will still be there!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 20, 2014, 04:38:51 PM
Great shop! And kudos for having fun  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2014, 04:49:13 PM
Of course, I'm going to worry about my card until I get it back! I really hate losing things.


You can see me in this picture from the shop's facebook page!
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p403x403/10646837_949543271739288_6044420000787405929_n.jpg?oh=7dce75d629658fd13cc282413888aa30&oe=54CD8772)

On the right, in the checked shirt. Leaning grimly forward.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 20, 2014, 04:53:27 PM
Determined to crush your enemy...and drive him before you and hear the lamentation of his.....well most likely mother.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 20, 2014, 07:02:35 PM
Looks busy!

I'm still scared about playing randoms.

Fetch lands. ight 've the best, money wise, to get!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2014, 07:43:23 PM
A sealed or draft environment is the best way to play randoms. Everyone starts on an even footing, or as even as random can be.

I always felt like i was in with a chance even against the bestplayers at draft because if I could draft a decent deck, they would not necessarily be starting with a leg up in that department. And sometimes I did beat those top guys.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 20, 2014, 07:54:39 PM
It was busy! It's not that big a shop. Everyone was nice! It was fine.

People do get better cards than you in sealed, and there's not much you can do about it. Maybe draft is fairer! I might go to one.


Some of the people were talking about commander, and it was things like Prossh+purphourus+doubling season...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 20, 2014, 08:22:23 PM
People can get better cards, but what I mean is that you all start with the potential to get those cards.

You don't have to go play people who have bought hundreds of dollars worth of cards who are auto starting with better decks than you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 21, 2014, 10:04:14 AM
I might try and go to one, Looks fun.

Confirmed I don't want to use stealing cards though.


Btw, a win a loss and a draw sounds ok! You obviously expect to win every game !
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 21, 2014, 12:02:03 PM
There is no other way for rufus.

I'm trying to cut down an EDH deck from 112 cards. And that is before I add lands.  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 21, 2014, 09:03:24 PM
Of course I wanted to win every game!  :icon_razz:

So, about my lost cards: this morning, I barefoot-ran into town (OK, I only ran some of the way) and went to the shop. They'd kept the cards I so carelessly left lying around safe and gave them back to me. So I have my fetchland! Thanks, Wargames Emporium.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=386537&type=card)

These are currently rated at about 15 quid! Khans is a good set to buy boosters for.


I tried playing some delve cards, and I didn't like them at all. I never had cards in my graveyard to pay the delve cost at the right times. It probably works OK in a constructed deck that self-mills, but it wasn't great in limited.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 22, 2014, 12:03:16 AM
I think delve might be handy for some edh decks but I'm not even sure if it'll be that good in standard.

But who knows...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 22, 2014, 12:04:54 AM
I'm on for a little while during this football game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2014, 08:10:20 AM
Siby, I dint think delve will be good in edh.

You generally have more mana, and more access to recursion. Exiling your grave means no dredge, flashback, reanimation etc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 22, 2014, 08:48:24 AM
There's a lot of fuss about delve being great in legacy and modern, but both of those are weird formats.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2014, 09:07:59 AM
I Think it might be good in standard, too. We'll see!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 22, 2014, 09:42:31 AM
People only generally have a couple of graveyard killing cards though so whilst it will sometimes fail, I think most of the time it will be ok. Pretty much anything has some counter people can put in their decks.

In standard I guess it might work but you do now lose all the golgari cards...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 22, 2014, 10:28:38 AM
People only generally have a couple of graveyard killing cards though so whilst it will sometimes fail, I think most of the time it will be ok. Pretty much anything has some counter people can put in their decks.

I think the concern in EDH is not other people exiling your graveyard, but that by exiling it yourself for delve you are wasting a valuable resource. Delve works against most graveyard strategies too. That's what Finlay meant!


Also: this guy

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=386634&type=card)

Is pretty expensive (5 quid). I have one, but I don't really see what's so great about it.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 22, 2014, 11:02:27 AM
It’s a not as good version of the bant one, which costs Ģ40.

I would expect it to be higher than Ģ5, but maybe im underestimating it’s not as goodness. (I probably underestimate 1 vs 2 mana for starters)


Yep, siby and rufus. I meant you’re denying yourself all those resources. There are a bunch of cards which want to be in grave, and Delve denies utilising those fully.


desperate for khans on gccg I want to make a sidisi edh deck, and temur and jeskai standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 22, 2014, 12:45:49 PM
I guess rattleclaw could be good for getting out a big guy in those colours really fast. Imagine turn 2 sol ring to put him down as a morph. Then turn 3 you potentially have 6 mana to push out something kinda huge or a couple of nasty 3 drops. And that is without needing the mana to be well fixed.

But even so he seems pretty handy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 24, 2014, 01:32:09 PM
I guess it is a good card. It's just a bit weird for a mana creature, since you probably want to save it until turn three when you can cast it face-down rather than casting it on turn two.

Talking about the pre-release again: I think I made a mistake by making an Abzan deck just because that was the clan I chose in advance. My seeded pack had good mana-fixing, but not much in the way of good Abzan cards. These were the six rare cards I had (I didn't get a mythic):

Hardened scales (green. This was the promo card in my seeded pack)
Flooded strand (land!)
Dragon-style twins (red)
Kheru spell-snatcher (blue)
Jeskai ascendancy (RWU)
Necropolis fiend (black)

The fiend was the only one I ended up using, and I found him difficult to cast. I probably should have played Jeskai instead - blue had some good fliers plus an unblockable guy, red had arc lighting and act of treason. White (which I did play) had creature removal.

So, make the best deck you can with your cards, rather than sticking to the clan you chose the pack for!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 24, 2014, 03:45:27 PM
the guy who wrote commander articles on mtg tweeted same thing.

he went seeded abzan, but ended up playing mardu due to what he got.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 24, 2014, 05:38:57 PM
I have a few new EDH decks, so if anyone is available to play I'll be on for a while.

Finlay, you teased me! I was distracted and when I opened gccg again I saw you popped in for a couple minutes and were gone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 24, 2014, 07:34:10 PM
I didnt go on to play, just check if khans was ready!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 25, 2014, 01:50:55 AM
So I made an Angus edh deck cos I thought that would be an interesting change from the norm! Turns out he is quite gaddocky.

The Bruna deck was just pure evil though. Talk about speedy commander damage win.

On the plus side cannon, I think your white deck had my black one beat all night long.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 25, 2014, 02:11:49 AM
Only because you damaged yourself enough that my token spam was able to eke out a victory. I honestly felt you had won that game until we realized you forgot to deal damage to yourself with your demons.


Angus isn't beardy, he's just a super boring :D. I think part of it was that you just had walls. If you were attacking on your turn, and pretending to be Avacyn on mine, you probably would have won that game after you board swept. Having time to build up a flyer with 30 counters again was what won me that game. Still, it was fun to have a 63/66 commander, even if you killed him with your stall tactics without him getting to use his powers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2014, 09:37:44 AM
So I made an Angus edh deck cos I thought that would be an interesting change from the norm! Turns out he is quite gaddocky.

He casts fog for free every turn. Obviously that's going to be boring!

Also, what happened to the price restriction rules? Sad times.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 25, 2014, 10:22:21 AM
Well cannon doesn't play them and you guys aren't playing...

My mistake with angus in that last game was putting all my stuff out. What I should have done was save some up so thay when I boardswept I could throw it all down and overwhelm. That's what Rufus does when he stalls and it usually works.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Tbh I don't have much interest in playing unrestricted edh.
Although also waiting for khans and playing new Xbox a lot.


Maybe I should make a super beardy roon deck with infinite coubterspells or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaans.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 25, 2014, 10:45:38 AM
Tbh I don't have much interest in playing unrestricted edh.

Maybe I should make a super beardy roon deck with infinite coubterspells or something.

This is my point. Seems silly to play your rules when you aren't playing! As it is though, neither of us is doing anything that disgusting. Cannon's decks are very similar to what we play and I haven't strayed much from the formula either. My Bruna deck is basically a bunch of cheap enchant auras that all jump on her when she attacks. I don't see any cards that really have come out thay seem any worse than say, progenitor mimic or that vampire who makes you sac all your guys...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2014, 10:48:22 AM
I call her Bruno.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2014, 10:58:58 AM
Who doesn't?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2014, 11:11:23 AM
Fair point.


Hey, the Khans event deck is only two colours! For a wedge set.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 25, 2014, 05:12:59 PM
I don't know the prices of the cards, but I stay away from tutoring and I don't use planeswalkers unless I'm playing randoms. I also don't use anything I personally think can be annoying to play against, like cards that allow me to control my opponent's actions like this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=259670&type=card)


I also stay away from land kill, using it only sparingly. Even the really annoying cards I have in my decks, I almost never use. I have never attacked with Kozalik, but I would in randoms. I use Numot's land kill ability in randoms too, but not against you guys.



Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 28, 2014, 10:00:45 AM
That's true, Cannon - you're very accommodating! I was very pleased when you didn't attack with that infect robot (I don't want to catch Phyrexian STDs!).

Odric's fairly inoffensive though.


I'm desperate for Khans to appear on GCCG!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 28, 2014, 10:26:54 AM
I used Odric as a general in my soldier deck at one point, seemed very fluffy.

He was fairly useless!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 28, 2014, 10:27:46 AM
I don't think you ever got to use his ability!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 28, 2014, 10:30:54 AM
I used Odric as a general in my soldier deck at one point, seemed very fluffy.

He was fairly useless!

Useless? Essentially making all of your creatures unblockable can't be useless! Plus, just throw this in:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=220378&type=card)

and make all his creatures block it every turn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 28, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
The issue I always ran into was that it was hard to get all the creatures you need out on the board at the same time so his ability often never even came into play. When you know someone has battalion for instance, you usually do your level best to keep them off it. This is that but one harder to pull off.  :-P

Plus I had a pure soldier deck and they would frown on having dolls.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 28, 2014, 10:44:13 AM
Also, wouldn't stuffy doll only kill one creature a turn as it only does one damage?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 28, 2014, 10:52:57 AM
Plus I had a pure soldier deck and they would frown on having dolls.  :-P

Ha, good reason!

And yes, it can only kill one creature.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 28, 2014, 03:31:12 PM
Odric is nothing bad in edh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 30, 2014, 04:27:10 PM
Been trying out some different commanders recently... trying to find some fun ones that aren't seen that often. It can be tough though.

(http://i.tcgplayer.com/3786.jpg)
Really like this guy. My deck seemed to work ok too but that might have just been getting the right cards when I needed. I have made it so he is not 100% essential too for cases of him being tucked and whatnot. Don't think he is too broken?

(http://a3.res.cloudinary.com/csicdn/image/upload/c_pad,h_300,w_300/v1/Images/Products/mtg%20art/Commander%202013%20Edition/full/ShattergangBrothers.jpg)
Also used these guys vs Cannon yesterday. He did not enjoy that, though it took a long long time before I could really get anything out of them. Are they evil?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 30, 2014, 04:33:05 PM
yes, shartgang bros are evil.

I've deliberately not made a deck from them on ground of their evilness.



adun oakenshield is cool and not broken, imo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 30, 2014, 05:14:09 PM
yes, shartgang bros are evil.

I've deliberately not made a deck from them on ground of their evilness.



adun oakenshield is cool and not broken, imo.

I agree with all of these statements.

Also, he used Shattergang with this guy:

(http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/mtgcom/fcpics/features/360_ohakg8d0rgqpfdfl.jpg)


He sacrificed thrulls. THRULLS!


  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 01, 2014, 09:44:22 AM
I don't think I have the most evil shattergang deck, but I did get eternal witness and cultivate cycling in and out of the graveyard which pulled all my basic land! That was what allowed me to just about hang in and turn the game around. Otheewise I woulda never got enough mana to keep up with those artifacts. But it isn't the most exciting deck.

The Adun deck is a lot more fun and versatile so I will hopefully use it a lot more.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 01, 2014, 10:10:32 AM
Oakenshield is a cool guy. And mysterious! Why is he those colours? Why does he have that ability when he's just a dude on a horse? Legends was such a random set.

Shattergang have a nice picture, but are a total troll card. They want people to have a miserable game.


I suppose there's still no sign of Khans arriving?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 01, 2014, 12:50:20 PM
Nope.  :-(

Adun seems like some kinda doomsday kinda guy. Perhaps he unwittingly is a pawn in a higher power's game cos he looks like a friendly chap from his picture. Maybe he is like a pied piper or something... Who knows!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 01, 2014, 06:37:56 PM
Commander 2014 out On 7th Nov.

Why is it mono coloured.
Boo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 01, 2014, 09:18:59 PM
Maybe it will have other colours within the cards?

Having said that, maybe less multi won't be so bad. It can  get a bit mind bending.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 01, 2014, 09:33:37 PM
how can it have other colours within the cards, when they're linked to the commander?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 01, 2014, 09:38:20 PM
I wonder how they'll avoid the blue one being best?

I think the generally accepted order of power for commander is blue>green>black>white>red.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 01, 2014, 09:48:19 PM
how can it have other colours within the cards, when they're linked to the commander?

Um. You got me there. I forgot it was commander!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2014, 12:15:52 AM
Just discovered I own a bunch of planar chaos cards that I must have picked up when we started playing magic. I have a Teneb the Harvester! Seeing those old cards made me realize how bad the copies are on GCCG. I mean the new stuff is fine, but the older sets are no where near so faded and hard to read as they are on there. Pity they can't update them or something but I guess we should just be thankful if they actually put the new set on.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 03, 2014, 12:16:57 AM
We should be thankful we can play for free with whatever we want, as opposed to mtgonline where you have to buy the cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2014, 12:25:04 AM
Believe me I am! Just never realized those old cards didn't look as bad in real life! Kinda makes me want to go back and buy some older stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2014, 12:25:31 AM
Just discovered I own a bunch of planar chaos cards that I must have picked up when we started playing magic. I have a Teneb the Harvester! Seeing those old cards made me realize how bad the copies are on GCCG. I mean the new stuff is fine, but the older sets are no where near so faded and hard to read as they are on there. Pity they can't update them or something but I guess we should just be thankful if they actually put the new set on.  :-P

They look OK to me! Maybe it's your screen.  :icon_razz:

I have a Teneb too! Hey, if you have a Damnation (the black Wrath of God), it's expensive!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 03, 2014, 08:40:24 AM
 Alas no damnation. Do have a jedit though and though he wouldn't make a super commander, I am tempted to use him...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 03, 2014, 10:02:06 AM
Jedit is quite cool!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=124344&type=card)


Angry tiger dude.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 07, 2014, 08:10:04 PM
Was packing up the house more today (moving in a couple of months) and flicked through a few magic cards I had lying around. Turns out I have an Iona! 18 quid card just laying about, quite nice! Turns out I could have used her all along in our real games.  :engel:

And I have now made my Jedit deck on gccg  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2014, 07:10:09 PM
KHANS IS ON GCCG!!!!!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2014, 07:28:05 PM
woo hoo!

also,

KHAAAANNNNNNNN
s

I have 2 khans standard deck ready. Siby ran away from me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 08, 2014, 08:16:20 PM
is sigmar on gccg someone from here?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 08, 2014, 08:49:34 PM
Haven't asked, though i have played a few gameson there vs him, he seems decent enough. Loves lingering souls though so maybe can't be trusted  :wink:

Also, beat myself with my own demon, oops!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 08, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
It's really here?  :Ohmy:

Gonna update now!


Updated. Finlay's playing someone else! Booo.

I've quickly made my (real) Abzan deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 14, 2014, 06:36:49 PM
Look at this lucky bastard: http://youtu.be/WRxCeO2KIS8

A near mint one sold for 30k recently, and this absolutely mint one will probably go for 3 times that. I bet he keeps it tho. They only made 1100 of those alpha ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 14, 2014, 08:29:43 PM
I'd sell the absolute fuck out of that

cool vid, though
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 14, 2014, 09:58:04 PM
You guys are poor at coming out to play.  :-P

Khans is here, there are 4 of us who can play and I barely see ya!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 14, 2014, 11:42:16 PM
I don't think I like khans. I don't want to use their combos, but if I don't, I feel like I am at a total disadvantage. I haven't wanted to play as much since their release on gccg.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 15, 2014, 12:56:45 AM
I think theros is good enough that you can near ignore khans. Most of my new decks are probably 80% theros.

But i am always willing to play edh too, even though you guys keep whooping me!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2014, 01:56:22 PM
You guys are poor at coming out to play.  :-P

I have computer problems! Well, monitor problems.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 15, 2014, 02:13:38 PM
Well, that's quite forgivable.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2014, 02:31:31 PM
I've been having evil thoughts of using lux cannon with Derevi.  ::heretic::

Even though it's from the robot zombie world set that I hate.


Also, Magic players are massive bandwagon-jumpers. Prices on the cards people were using in some big tournament last weekend have gone up massively. I think the same thing happened with Master of Waves last year.

Wingmate Roc is at Ģ13 from about 4.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 15, 2014, 07:09:05 PM
i dont really like khans, but have only played once!

I dont really like theros, either.

thats annoying, i like wingmate roc
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 15, 2014, 10:00:33 PM

desperate for khans on gccg I want to make a sidisi edh deck, and temur and jeskai standard.

What happened to the enthusiasm?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 15, 2014, 10:43:34 PM
i played some games and didnt like it
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 15, 2014, 11:30:07 PM
i dont really like khans, but have only played once!



I don't care who wins this edh game. It's the most fun 3 player one we have ever done! And I lost first!

Also I just got booted out of it, hope that doesnt' affect it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 16, 2014, 12:08:20 AM
Cannon won, just before it crashed!


But yes, it was fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 16, 2014, 01:23:53 AM
Regenerate... too good?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 16, 2014, 03:30:30 AM
Regenerate... too good?

Constant regenerate for cheap is too good. But anything for cheap is too good, honestly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 16, 2014, 09:14:03 AM
Regenerate isn't normally a big deal. Which card was this?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 16, 2014, 10:15:19 AM
You guys up for some 4 player edh soon then?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 16, 2014, 10:26:35 AM
Yes!

So long as you aren't the fourth player. Ha ha!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 16, 2014, 02:48:51 PM
If we are gonna manage 4 player I think a little coordination may be required.

It might be called yavimaya hollow or something. It is green + tap to regen. I was using varolz too so I had his sac to regen as an option but honestly I didn't often have many creatures out to exploit it. I managed to mill the 13 power avatar and scavenge it onto varolz which was pretty silly! Also actually played worldspine wurm for probably the first time ever!

I don't know if regen is overpowered or not. Is it any worse than guys that can tap you? They kinda have a similar effect in some ways I reckon in helping to thwart a big single threat.

I think that orc guy is a better general than I gave credit for though. Swinging for at least 7 each time he is cast is nice. Throw in a few fly/unblockable artifacts to throw on him and he will bust through nicely... not that I am saying he is amazing. I just wrote him off before really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 16, 2014, 03:41:23 PM
coordination of availability?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 16, 2014, 03:50:21 PM
Oh, yavimaya hollow. That's rather an overpowered land! Regen in general isn't too bad.

I've made an entirely new Ghave deck, using Abzan cards from Khans and other random things.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 16, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
You're a big fan of Ghave.

I like Jeskai. Probably because I'm American, so anything Red, White, and Blue is a good thing.

(http://i.imgur.com/xjeZIdk.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 16, 2014, 05:00:49 PM
I like jeskai, because I want people to refer to rwu as jeskai, not american.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 16, 2014, 06:27:45 PM
Oh, yavimaya hollow. That's rather an overpowered land! Regen in general isn't too bad.
Quote

Only 7quid though  :-P


I'm off right now so I can do anytime for a 4 player!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 16, 2014, 06:42:35 PM
I am always ready for 4 player.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 21, 2014, 09:03:11 PM
No one is ever on GCCG!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 21, 2014, 09:08:48 PM
I'll be on in an hour or two.

 :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 21, 2014, 09:16:44 PM
Oh, good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 22, 2014, 01:21:27 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QJJsIKz-fi8/UEZl_kWyVvI/AAAAAAAAClI/K_M-NMMoOMc/s400/immediately-regret-this-decision.gif)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 22, 2014, 01:33:45 AM
Sorry!  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 22, 2014, 02:19:15 AM
I nearly quit after the third game, but I decided I was just being a whiny bitch and I should just keep playing.  :engel:  :::cheers:::

I had fun, even though you absolutely mullered me most games.  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 22, 2014, 02:21:35 AM
Way more chance I will jump on if you post like you did today. I am trying to avoid being on there every day unless one of you guys is gonna show up, which is hard to know without being on.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 22, 2014, 02:28:51 AM
Way more chance I will jump on if you post like you did today. I am trying to avoid being on there every day unless one of you guys is gonna show up, which is hard to know without being on.  :-P

Ummm, I'm on right now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 22, 2014, 09:46:07 AM
Back to work now  :-P so unlikely I will be on after 9 most evenings, but that is exactly the kind of post that works!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 22, 2014, 10:42:30 AM
I nearly quit after the third game, but I decided I was just being a whiny bitch and I should just keep playing.

Yes, don't do a rufus rage quit!


I think my Abzan-flavoured Ghave deck is worse than the normal version. Losing the graveyard sub-themes makes it much weaker. Also, tainted field/wood are rubbish in a three-colour deck.


That guy who came on and said 'are those premade decks' was clearly thinking 'where are all your commander staples! You are doing this wrong!'


Quote from: Siberius
so unlikely I will be on after 9 most evenings

Is that real time, or crazy American time?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 22, 2014, 11:04:19 AM

That guy who came on and said 'are those premade decks' was clearly thinking 'where are all your commander staples! You are doing this wrong!'

Gah, I hate this.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 22, 2014, 02:30:16 PM
I really enjoy my decks. I know they're not very strong. Don't care.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 22, 2014, 03:30:04 PM
Crazy american time so no problems with you  :-P.

People tellibg you that you are doing it wrong on there is an occupational hazzard. Alas I have encountered real people doing likewise. Worst thing is when you just beat them and they are trying to tell you how your deck could be better!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 22, 2014, 05:13:10 PM
I'm on, right this second!


I altered my artifact deck a LOT, and changed up my golgari deck too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 22, 2014, 07:08:40 PM
Looks like you got bored waiting, which I can't blame you for. I am only 1 1/2 later  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 22, 2014, 07:13:51 PM
Looks like you got bored waiting, which I can't blame you for. I am only 1 1/2 later  :-P

I am going Halloween shopping with the wife and boy, so it will be a while before I am back on. I do want to play today though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 22, 2014, 07:15:57 PM
I will be on in two hours!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 22, 2014, 07:16:11 PM
I will try me best to hop back on laters.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2014, 10:22:26 AM
Are you guys free for 4playrr Saturday night?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2014, 11:30:14 AM
Yes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 24, 2014, 02:46:36 PM
Are you guys free for 4playrr Saturday night?

If it's before 6pm my time, yes.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2014, 02:47:46 PM
Rufus normally gets on around 10 our time, which is 5 your time I think? Or are you central not eastern?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2014, 02:59:56 PM
Father Christmas arrives in Magic:

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/c14/aakdfnppleih2/en_ykkavuw76a.png)

Well, that's who he reminds me of, anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2014, 03:01:57 PM
wow, love that ability.

is he in the new commander stuff?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2014, 03:04:49 PM
Yes, he's from the new commander set. There was a preview article with him on the magic site, but it's disappeared! Maybe it went up too early by mistake.

It also said there will be creatures with a new ability called 'lieutenant,' which gives them bonuses if your commander is in play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2014, 03:09:26 PM
that sounds kinda cool.

I'd use that guy as a general, if he was in jund colours. hell, if he was br or ur I would.

is he the commander?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
He's not the main commander, since these decks have planeswalker commanders. He's the alternate commander, like Roon was to Derevi.

I want to see more preview cards! The set's due in two weeks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2014, 03:20:49 PM
3 mana a turn to continuously cheat things in!


what else is good for graves in red?
I'd lose to use this guy in a proper grave deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 24, 2014, 03:24:46 PM
Rufus normally gets on around 10 our time, which is 5 your time I think? Or are you central not eastern?

I am Central.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2014, 03:29:36 PM
3 mana a turn to continuously cheat things in!

what else is good for graves in red?
I'd lose to use this guy in a proper grave deck!

I thought for a moment that he was as cheaty as Kiki-Jiki, goblin combo-wanker (Novorgord! Shakes fist), but since you have to pay mana to activate him he's harder to loop.

I'm not sure what you'd use him with. Red has a lot of draw/discard effects you can use to drop things in your graveyard (like Faithless Looting). And Goblin Welder!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2014, 03:46:29 PM
cool, that gives us an extra hour then cannon, provided siby can get on?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 24, 2014, 05:46:49 PM
I'm feeling like I can. Not 100% sure yet but maybe 80%  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2014, 09:15:23 PM
That article is back. Here's the other card in it:

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/c14/aakdfnppleih2/en_hc52fg6r3y.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 24, 2014, 09:27:33 PM
That's going in my angel deck fo sho.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2014, 09:28:32 PM
Meh
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2014, 09:38:18 PM
I hope the blue one is a squid.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 25, 2014, 02:08:00 AM
I like it, not overpowered at all but decent boost when it is activated.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 25, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
I'm in for later. Are we trying teams or just all on all?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 25, 2014, 01:16:27 PM
Free for all, I should think!

I'm on GCCG now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 25, 2014, 10:55:03 PM
So, our four-player experiment didn't go all that well!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 25, 2014, 11:00:54 PM
Sorry for bailing! It only happens about once a month, ifyouknowhatimean.  :eusa_wall:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 25, 2014, 11:06:25 PM
It's OK!

As you left, we realised that I could do Finlay about 30 damage, and you could finish him off on your turn! If you'd wanted to.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 25, 2014, 11:38:55 PM
I had (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=278198&type=card) in hand.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 26, 2014, 06:27:08 AM
Opened two irl khans packs today. Two packs, two mythic rares.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=386506&type=card)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=386621&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 26, 2014, 07:27:46 AM
Nice, Can.

I'd love a  clever impersonator!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 26, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
Lucky! Both are worth more than the booster cost.


I'd love a  clever impersonator!

The price is trending downwards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 26, 2014, 01:58:20 PM
Had one in my hand in our 4 player, just didn't find a suitably worthwhile target.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 26, 2014, 02:40:05 PM
Had one in my hand in our 4 player, just didn't find a suitably worthwhile target.

Thassa seemed a popular choice.  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 26, 2014, 04:55:12 PM
I already had thassa :P. I would have copied fin or rufus's generals but they were undoable sadly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 26, 2014, 05:18:56 PM
3 mana a turn to continuously cheat things in!

what else is good for graves in red?
I'd lose to use this guy in a proper grave deck!

I thought for a moment that he was as cheaty as Kiki-Jiki, goblin combo-wanker (Novorgord! Shakes fist), but since you have to pay mana to activate him he's harder to loop.

I'm not sure what you'd use him with. Red has a lot of draw/discard effects you can use to drop things in your graveyard (like Faithless Looting). And Goblin Welder!
Mnn, I still love my Goblins! :smile2:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 26, 2014, 10:22:18 PM
Hey Norvogord:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1818&type=card)

 :-P



Had one in my hand in our 4 player, just didn't find a suitably worthwhile target.

I had one in hand too.


Anyone playing now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 27, 2014, 12:00:02 AM
Anyone playing now?

I am now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2014, 11:06:50 AM
Sorry, I'd already left!


New commander card! I thought the black one might be Ob Nixilis (after he reappeared in M15).

(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10304640_10154716230845307_745200894566510012_n.jpg?oh=1e5266eea2bdf06d974adcb82d08b25b&oe=54F8DFC2)

He looks a bit annoying.


Also there's a cat legend dude:

Quote
Jazal Goldmane 2WW
Legendary Creature - Cat Warrior
First Strike
3WW: Attacking creatures you control get +X/+X until end of the turn, where X is the number of attacking creatures.
4/4
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 27, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
cat dude looks fun if im going more rush attack with Marath rather than Marath power!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2014, 04:51:37 PM
 :icon_exclaim: :icon_exclaim: :icon_exclaim: :icon_exclaim: :icon_exclaim:

This is the best thing ever.

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/c14/aakdfnppleih2/en_chbhz8lrls.png)


I knew preordering the blue commander deck was a good idea!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 27, 2014, 05:10:46 PM
haha, i love that!

maybe I'll preorder some.   ::heretic:: ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 27, 2014, 06:13:12 PM
It's going in my asshole token deck for sure.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 27, 2014, 06:32:05 PM
Its cool, powerful, but not op, awesome art, and not too bad to deal with.

I love it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 27, 2014, 07:41:53 PM
4 creatures,2 of which are over 5/5 for mana? Seems super powerful to me...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 27, 2014, 07:48:29 PM
token creatures are the easiest thing in the game to get rid of.

it has to die.

furthermore a 6/6 and 9/9 creatures on their own arent THAT good in commander, compared to standard.


bunch of drawbacks. its not game breaking at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 27, 2014, 07:54:00 PM
quite a few interesting cards.

roon wishes this guy was blue

(http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/dualcastermage.jpg)

Marath has a ladyboner for this guy!

http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/gravesifter/
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 27, 2014, 08:15:51 PM
I'm really interested in which planeswalker they will give red.  ::heretic::
Hopefully Jaya :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2014, 09:26:06 PM
They said no Jaya because Chandra ripped her off.

I like dualcaster!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 27, 2014, 09:27:06 PM
token creatures are the easiest thing in the game to get rid of.

it has to die.

furthermore a 6/6 and 9/9 creatures on their own arent THAT good in commander, compared to standard.


bunch of drawbacks. its not game breaking at all.

At worst it is 4 chump blockers. At best, once it has chump blocked a couple of times it then starts stomping.

I'm curious what it's other drawbacks are. The only one I see is that you have to get it to die the first time. After that it will be easy to get bigger as you can just attack with it. Are token creatures that much easier to get rid of? There may be a few spells that target them more easily but not a huge amount I would think.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 27, 2014, 09:31:55 PM
you can kill them by blinking, returning to hand, exile whatever, as well as just kill them.

token creatures are the easiest things to remove in the game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 27, 2014, 09:39:13 PM
True, returning to hand and blinking will work on them, but at least between all of us, there isn't much blinking at all and maybe one or two return to hand things. Exile works on all creatures, as does just killing them. But you said there were a bunch of drawbacks. What are the others? I don't see any on card ones.

I'd pay 4 mana for a 9/9. Or a 6/6. Maybe even a 0/1 that turns into a 3/3.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 27, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
Maybe I am thinking about it too much from a normal deck point of view. 4 of those seem pretty handy. One, like you say, will be annoying, but not gamebreaking.

I can see using this a lot in EDH. Not super amazing by any stretch but I like the potential of later game kill anything. I bet cannon will shove it in his artifact deck in no time.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/unstableobelisk.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 27, 2014, 09:49:38 PM
return to hand or blinking not only kill it, but break the chain.
exiling it break the chain
need each to die
3/3 and 6/6 not "that" good in commander. 9/9 not a game winner, in commander
easiest thing in game to remove


it's good, it's not broken.


4 mana for an 0/1 that turns into a 3/3 would be absolute cack in commander. 4 mana for a 6/6 is also pretty shit in commander.


in standard, it would be good, but i still think it wouldnt be a domninant card. each one having to die is a huge drawback.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2014, 10:09:39 PM
Reef worm would be great for Ghave! Shame he's not blue.

More importantly, I bought 9/9 kraken tokens when born of the gods came out, but have never been able to use them (only Kiora made them, and she's way over my single card price limit). Now there's another card that uses them! And it also makes fish and whales! Amazing.

I'm going to cast it against Siby, and copy it loads of times.  :icon_razz:


That exploding obelisk is quite nice! Expensive for only making 1 mana, but the built in removal function is handy.


p.s. I am on GCCG now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 27, 2014, 10:12:46 PM
Get a doubling season and start pumping with token copy guy though, and it gets silly. But that's anything in commander.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2014, 10:18:42 PM
Doubling season doesn't count. The card is too expensive.

Oh, and riku is a cheater. Not allowed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 27, 2014, 10:32:02 PM
Primal Vigor then.

My token deck has both in it. XD
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2014, 10:34:04 PM
Too obvious!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 27, 2014, 10:35:08 PM
Or (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=249662&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2014, 10:37:56 PM
I always meant to get one of those for Ghave.

This token deck of yours doesn't use Riku does it?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 27, 2014, 10:43:32 PM
No, no riku. He's mean. Just Rhys the Redeemed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 27, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
ive refused to use those out of principle!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 27, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
Tokens are so easy to kill though, so doubling them is no issue.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 28, 2014, 12:02:00 AM
Tokens are so easy to kill though, so doubling them is no issue.  :-P

Ooh, sick burn!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247550&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 12:03:26 AM
well, it is a fact that tokens are the easuiest thing in the game to remove
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 12:08:59 AM
whats the artifact that kills evertyhing with xcmc for xmana, 0 mana to kill all tokens
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 12:12:07 AM
whats the artifact that kills evertyhing with xcmc for xmana, 0 mana to kill all tokens

Ratchet bomb? Powder keg?

There are loads of things like that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 28, 2014, 12:38:24 AM
well, it is a fact that tokens are the easuiest thing in the game to remove

I was just messin. You forgot to sign out of gccg by the way fin  :-P

EDIT - I take it back, you just left!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 12:57:25 AM
I was doing the raid on destiny. was meant to start at ten, didnt so i Tried to play Rufus, at 10.30. We started at 10.40! Doh
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 28, 2014, 01:03:24 AM
I am on, but nobody is here.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 28, 2014, 02:07:23 AM
Sorry cannon, i got on earlier today. And only in a semi commited way! This week has gotten busy. Will post here if I get on again for a decent amount of time as I am not sure how my days will pan out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 09:19:21 AM
You guys are on too late!


Also, die hexproof!

Quote
Arcane Lighthouse
Land
T: Add 1 to your mana pool.
1, T: Until end of turn, creatures your opponents control lose hexproof and shroud and can't have hexproof or shroud.


The black deck has been spoiled on MTG salvation, and looks good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 09:46:33 AM
Is arcane lighthouse in the black deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 09:54:22 AM
Yes, but I expect it will be in all five. Along with that new version of krosan verge.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 10:01:40 AM

I really like the new krosan verge, too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 10:02:52 AM
It can't get non-basics (shocklands, murmuring bosk) like verge can, but it's still nice.


Black decklist:

http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-deck/commander-2014-black-deck/


Presumably they won't reprint all the titans and commands, since the green titan is banned and the blue command is super-expensive.


MTG Salvation has some really complainy complainers on its forums! I especially like the people complaining about arcane lighthouse wrecking their cheaty hexproof decks! Hexproof has always been overpowered! It needs more things that can stop it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 11:53:17 AM


I thought they'd be speculating/complaining about the titans and commands.

if cryptic command is in the blue deck, I'll want that too!

the mtg salvation forum is horrible though.

I'm glad there is a counter to hexproof. everything in the game should have counters.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 11:59:14 AM
I think they won't have reprinted cryptic command, because of the rush it would cause on the blue deck. They won't want that to happen again after the true name nemesis fuss last year. On the other hand, it is a card that has been inflated to an absurd price and needs deflating. So maybe!

MTG salvation is an unpleasant forum, but it's handy for new card info! I don't actually post on it.

People are upset because the anti-hexproof thing is on a land, so everyone can easily use it! But I have no sympathy for them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 12:49:43 PM
you angel guys will like this!

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/commander-2014/23619-angel-of-the-dire-hour

she's awesome.

the black and white decks have "political" cards, which I like the theory of a lot.

Great job wizards making me excited about this product despite not  overly liking monocoloured decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 28, 2014, 01:57:29 PM
That angel is ok but you need them to be attacking for it to do anything so it's a bit situational. Against rufus it would do nothing!

Why do you need card info from the forum? Mythic spoilers shows you all the new cards without having to read anything...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
That angel is ok but you need them to be attacking for it to do anything so it's a bit situational. Against rufus it would do nothing!

Have you ever played me?  :icon_confused:

Not attacking is more of a Siby trait!  :icon_razz:


Quote
Why do you need card info from the forum?

Things appear on the forum before they're on the other sites.



Quote from: Finlay
Great job wizards making me excited about this product despite not  overly liking monocoloured decks!

Yes! I wasn't expecting to like these either!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 02:25:42 PM
It is situational, but it's a situation that happens every game!

I think it's better than the lieutenant
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 02:29:35 PM
Instant speed mass exile, with a free angel included. Definitely worth it!

You can even use it when someone else is being attacked, just to upset the attacking player!


Let's see what a MTG Salvation forum member thinks about the green legend:

Quote
Wow, finally a good card in these so far boring/terrible new EDH decks.

Thank you for your contribution!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 28, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
Rufus, your classic first 10 turns are don't play anything, board wipe and then play a loaf of stuff for the win!

The angel is nice for sure, but 7 mana is a lot to leave open when you are playing an aggresive deck like angels.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 04:24:26 PM
So you're saying you want to play against my Derevi deck more? Or aggro-Mizzet?


The red deck has this dude as its reprint legend! Complete with token! Amazing.

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/c14/aakdfnppleih2/en_sr4s84nnp1.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/images/daily/0031_MTGC14_TOK_EN_HRR%20copy.png)

Combos nicely with Santa!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 28, 2014, 04:41:39 PM
Your derevi deck isn't aggro is it? It is all tappy and untappy and get one or two things out and win with just that. You aren'tcsomeone who ever has no cards in hand.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 05:00:05 PM
Last night in the 10 minutes of our game, I had only roon out, rufus had like 5 creatures out.
Aggrrooo!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
That's my Temur deck, which Siby described as 'the ultimate control deck' the other day!

If we hadn't stopped that game, I was going to flash in my general, then give him doublestrike and slam you for loads of damage! Aggro!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 05:47:38 PM
is Entomb banned within our tutoring parameters?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
Yes! It's a tutor.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 28, 2014, 06:23:04 PM
sadface
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 28, 2014, 07:00:09 PM
I'm on now, if anyone can make it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 28, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1EInURIcAAWnBZ.jpg)

Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 28, 2014, 10:42:31 PM
ick.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2014, 01:29:43 AM
Red land! There's an image of it, but it's in Chinese or something.

Quote
Flamekin Village
As Flamekin Village enters the battlefield, you may reveal an Elemental card from your hand. If you don't, Flamekin Village enters the battlefield tapped.
{T}: Add {R} to your mana pool.
{R},{T}:Target creature gains haste until end of turn.

Handy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 29, 2014, 01:37:26 AM
love it.

also, elemental artifacts with santa clause and indiana goblin = WINNING
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 29, 2014, 04:45:52 AM
Found out my brother tried to use this in an IRL tourney:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=195297&type=card)

What a jerk!

He claims to not have known the card was banned AND he says he had no idea how much it's worth.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2014, 09:28:24 AM
He claims to not have known the card was banned AND he says he had no idea how much it's worth.

Ha ha! He must have never been on the internet, ever! :icon_razz:


Meanwhile, in awesome red land:

(http://i.imgur.com/tHH777m.jpg)

(http://mtgcommander.net/images/Scrap%20Mastery.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2014, 04:07:37 PM
And, the white one:

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/c14/aakdfnppleih2/en_1d2a540q3j.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 29, 2014, 04:13:48 PM
Oo, I wondered if it was going to be equipmenty, because it’s called “forged in stone”

Maybe they’re all going to be a bit artifacty! Although I guess equipment is a subset of artifacts.

Blue is called “peer through time”- makes me want to buy it again.
Black is “sworn into darkness”
Red is “built from scratch”
And green is “guided by nature”.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
It did say in one of the articles that they'd put extra artifacts in the decks to make up for them being monocoloured (and thus less versatile than multicoloured decks). But I would assume the white one mainly focuses on equipment.

'Peer through time' does sound good! Extra turns! Card drawing!

Look at this!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/63/659/635501806964426248.jpeg)

 :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 29, 2014, 05:12:39 PM
omg!

so much better than the other Lts.

!!1

knew I should have ordered the blue!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 29, 2014, 07:20:10 PM
Ok that kraken seems rediculous!

Why are we discussing planeswalkers? You guys thinking of lifting the planeswalker ban?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 29, 2014, 07:35:23 PM
we're not discussing planeswalkers, we're posting spoilers from commander2014
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 29, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
I should rephrase. Are you thinking to use these guys as commanders? I'm just so used to the anti planeswalker thing that I would normally assume not. We don't usually even touch on the spoiled planeswalkers as it is of no interest.

 But talking of spoilers, I think this guy is a decent shoe-in to dragon decks. You generally want to be attacking anyways and his bonus pump is fairly cheap.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/warmongerhellkite1.jpg)


Nice art and ok land:

(http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/myriadlandscape.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 29, 2014, 08:22:52 PM
I would err on the side of No for planeswalkers.... but not sure.

i would perhaps suggest something like using any of the new ones in c14, but not opening up the whole gamut?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 29, 2014, 11:08:16 PM
When I saw the name for this card, I thought it was a legendary creature. Turns out I misunderstood.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/132/998/635501848640465949.jpg)

It should have been a dude called Fell the Mighty!


p.s. MTG Salvation whiners think all the planeswalkers are terrible as commanders, except maybe for Teferi.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 30, 2014, 12:03:08 AM
marath says

"Hello, I love you, wont you tell me your name, hello I love you let me jump in your game"

http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/creepervine.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2014, 12:14:03 AM
Definitely stealing that for Ghave!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 30, 2014, 12:26:30 AM
I will say that (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383251&type=card) makes my Golgari Deathtouch deck even more annoying and mean, as the randoms I use it against will attest.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 30, 2014, 12:46:55 AM
We are all on cannon if you have time for a game with moi...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 30, 2014, 01:47:56 AM
Sorry, I missed this post.  :icon_frown:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 30, 2014, 10:25:48 AM
So you guys aren't quite as crazy as I thought. i guess we are down to a 4 hour difference for now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2014, 10:34:20 AM
Yes, the clocks went back. Time Reversal!


New card. I think this is a bit narrow. I don't expect to see much equipment except in one of Siby's decks!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/63/672/635502240582645961.jpeg)

Huh, people on MTG Salvation love it... but only with tutors and the swords of cheating.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 30, 2014, 10:37:27 AM
We finished at 1.10, I was in bed by 1.30. Ted woke up at 7, but stayed in his bed till 8.30! Not bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 30, 2014, 02:06:42 PM
That is straight in my cat equipment deck yes! I may not have the swords but the ability to duplicate any of the probable 3 or 4 I do have out is very nice, not to mention if my opponent has one out I don't I can copy their's! Only 1 mana too, really good value. This new set may force quite a few replacements in my cats...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2014, 02:37:31 PM
There's that cat legend dude, who is apparently Ajani's brother, too.

I still think that deck needed more cats and fewer equipments though!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 30, 2014, 02:48:03 PM
is this better than the bounce roon has already?

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/commander-2014/23636-aether-gale
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2014, 02:57:06 PM
I'm not too keen on that. Sorcery speed, and remember that you actually need to have six valid targets before you can cast it. It's OK, but you probably already have better things.

This is cool:

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/c14/aakdfnppleih2/en_oavp4obwx7.png)

Ghosts!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 30, 2014, 04:49:56 PM
ghave!

i like the art too
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 31, 2014, 01:03:07 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/nVau1zi.jpg)

That was a much better game. Aside from not being able to do anything the whole time, it definitely happened in a big way and that is good. 3 games like that would have been much better than that long first one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 31, 2014, 01:13:04 AM
Iroas!  ::heretic::

Meanwhile, I just cast Lorthos the Tidemaker on turn 3!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 31, 2014, 01:26:18 AM
I just realised iroas is a fricking centaur!

obviously him and marath can have babys!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 31, 2014, 01:32:33 AM
No! Then you'd never lose a game.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 31, 2014, 11:23:23 AM
Appropriate card for today:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1428&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 31, 2014, 03:42:26 PM
so yeh, this happened.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/commander-2014-edition-decklists-2014-10-31

need rufus to tell me if any are going to sell out in case i need to preorder! arghhh


Marath wants so many of these greenies!
greatvine, grave sifter and thunderfoot baloth at an absolute minimum.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 31, 2014, 04:41:23 PM
I'm not really sure! Looks like a lot of good cards in all of them... and this isn't a limited release. They're going to keep printing these decks if people want them. I suppose some might sell out in the short term though.

The green deck is extremely elfy, as I expected. Elf germs!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 31, 2014, 04:50:47 PM
oh, so c13 etc been limited but these not?

Not bothered then!

they do look extremely good.

just hoping the few cards I want to pillage from green and white end up being cheap.

Is the link a bit weird for you guys? it wont show previews of some of the cards i hover over.
are the "other" sections new cards? Reef worm is a creature, not an "other"!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 31, 2014, 05:10:32 PM
C13 wasn't limited either. But there was a rush on the grixis one that made it hard to get initially. They kept printing them though,so that now you can get one at retail price. I think they might do a larger initial print run on these than on C13, because they're expecting them to sell well.

The new cards haven't been added to gatherer yet which is why the links don't all work!

The red one looks to have some reasonably pricey reprints in it (notably wurmcoil engine, goblin welder and chaos warp). I think some of the elves in the green deck are expensivish, though I haven't checked. Blue isn't that exciting reprint-wise (no cryptic!) but has a lot of solid cards, as does black. I'm not sure about white: is Emeria, the Sky Ruin expensive? Maybe. I need to look up the prices!

It's possible that some of the new cards will be in high demand, and if so that's what will skew the prices in the short term.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 31, 2014, 05:15:07 PM
sky ruin is 3.20 and skull clamp is 3.80.
1/4 of its price in 2 cards.

I did check for cryptic.



I sent my sidisi deck into The Command Tower guy- he asked people to send in info on what is difficult for them in commabder, so I talked about how long my turns take me having to use my grave! ha ha.
I'll be so super psyched if he uses it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2014, 10:29:17 AM
Skullclamp has that horrible new art!  ::heretic::

So, it looks like red is the deck that shops (like magic madhouse, which is always overpriced) are charging a lot more for, followed by white. Blue, green and black are at their base prices. Of course, people should just pre-order from Wayland, since they are charging the same for each deck!

Red has expensive reprints (at the current prices, wurmcoil engine, goblin welder and chaos warp together cost more than the deck), plus some of the best new cards. People think Dualcaster Mage might be in demand for legacy, so that's currently one of the most expensive cards in the set. In white, there is this:

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/c14/aakdfnppleih2/en_j7p2zy504e.png)

Also for legacy. It shuts down reanimation, blink, and effects that put creatures into play rather than casting them. It also means that blink spells become exile spells, so it's a double-edged sword for Roon.

White also has that clone equipment thing.


I sent my sidisi deck into The Command Tower guy- he asked people to send in info on what is difficult for them in commabder, so I talked about how long my turns take me having to use my grave! ha ha.
I'll be so super psyched if he uses it.

That's cool! I hope he does use it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2014, 11:52:17 AM
The red deck needs this guy! It could actually win with his ability.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366244&type=card)

I can see why they didn't include him though, since the decks are meant to be balanced against each other.


The green deck needs Life from the Loam!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 01, 2014, 03:49:42 PM
Just made my own Sidisi deck. I was gonna use mimeoplasm but I only would have been doing it because fin has sidisi so I didn't.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 01, 2014, 06:29:44 PM
Ok, can we make sure no sidisI vs sidisi fights!

That white guy is Linda annoying, but I can see why they want to put in abilities to stop things which r hard to stop, like that light house too

Just annnoyibg as I can't afford the white removal for roon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 01, 2014, 07:10:30 PM
I don't think we have played head to head for months so we will probably be fine. Plus I have many many to choose from. Just wanted to try graveyarding a bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 01, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
I'm liking magic again now, so expecting to be on at least 3 times a week
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 01, 2014, 09:00:28 PM
Nice! I am actually on right now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2014, 09:34:29 PM
Living death!  ::heretic::

I'm really looking forward to the red version now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 02, 2014, 02:06:12 AM
Maybe we are not cut out for 3 player... Either it turns into a grind that everyone wants to kill themselves in or is an insatisfying trouncing.

Perhaps we are not cut-throat enough at the format or something so we end up treading this weird line of not getting anywhere or feeling like we cheated our way to victory.

Should we just take turns at 2 player?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 02, 2014, 10:07:13 AM
Early images from Fate Reforged!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/63/740/635504803430342524.jpeg)

Another RUG commander!


(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/63/739/635504793205949146.jpeg)

Die, dragons! Or non-dragons.


Quote from: Siby
Maybe we are not cut out for 3 player... Either it turns into a grind that everyone wants to kill themselves in or is an insatisfying trouncing.

It's been fine sometimes. I was annoyed about that last game because I was hit with all the removal, then was attacked by both of you because 'you couldn't attack the other one.' Playing 1 vs 2 sucks.

In 2 player you just attack the other guy. In 3, you get a weird, sort-of-political-but-not really situation where either no one wants to attack or two gang up on the other one.

So maybe either 2 or 4 player games are best. But we can still try 3 player if we're in the right mood!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 02, 2014, 02:30:38 PM
Are you sure? Almost every 3 player I can remember has resulted in at least one or two of us asking if we should just give up. The only reason it didn't happen last night with cannon was that his and my decks were so big or die that they forced early wins. And even then you had a bad time because you ended up on the receiving end and that feels even less fun in multiplayer.

You often don't get done in by it because you have a good deflector which means the other guys don't attack you but honestly what were me and cannon supposed to do? Attack each other and trade dragons whilst we left you unharmed to finish us off with your unblockable unkillable?

I think the only way we can play 3 player with any success is if we accept that it can be a painful and sometimes long experience. And maybe tap out faster if we are just gonna spend half an hour losing so we can get on with a new game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 02, 2014, 07:00:37 PM
Also, coloured abilities mean you can use those as your general's colours?! Are there any more legends like that?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 02, 2014, 07:42:38 PM
Also, coloured abilities mean you can use those as your general's colours?! Are there any more legends like that?

Yes! It's a green card, but its colour identity for EDH is RUG. It's a clever way to give us more wedge legends.

I think there have been a couple of legends with activated abilities in different colours. There's a different Rhyss which is green with a black ability. Maybe some others too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 03, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
Nice!I am on now cannon if you happen to be free
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 03, 2014, 01:05:07 AM
Nice!I am on now cannon if you happen to be free

I am on my way to buy my wife a sandwich, after which I shall be free.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 03, 2014, 10:00:46 AM
Next Dual Deck = Elspeth vs Kiora.

The set after Fate Reforged is DRAGONS of TARKIR.

There will be a colourless basic land!


I haven't bought a duel deck since Izzet vs Golgari (which was great). I want this one!
(http://media.wizards.com/2014/c14/aakdfnppleih2/thao3q9rp0_product_ddo_en.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 03, 2014, 10:59:51 PM
Did you post this one already? Bit rufusy!

(http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/breachingleviathan.jpg)

This reminds me of those Llorwyn lands.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/flamekinvillage.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 04, 2014, 12:11:00 AM
Also, I am on!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
I have seen those, yes! New sea monsters are always good.

Flamekin village is worth including even in decks with no elementals. Haste without having to spend a non-land card on it is good!


Article on the wizards site about the four existing Jeskai commanders. They really are a horrible lot! I hope Fate Reforged adds one that isn't determined to troll the game.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/sf/jeskai-four-2014-11-04

Also, look at the decklist for the dragon! That deck would cost many hundreds of pounds. That's the kind of powergaming nonsense we'd end up with if we played without price restrictions on our cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 05, 2014, 05:50:26 AM
Also, look at the decklist for the dragon! That deck would cost many hundreds of pounds. That's the kind of powergaming nonsense we'd end up with if we played without price restrictions on our cards.

I don't think that's true. Siby and I play each other all the time without price restrictions and we don't powergame.


Maybe take a good long look in the mirror, rufus. Ask yourself who the real powergamer is.  :::cheers:::  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2014, 09:23:22 AM
That makes no sense.

With the exception of some of the very early cards, anything that is expensive is powerful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2014, 09:25:28 AM
Ironically, theyve messed up the magic site to make it easier to view on mobile devices, yet yhe decklists display horribly on my tablet
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 05, 2014, 10:51:32 AM
That makes no sense.

With the exception of some of the very early cards, anything that is expensive is powerful.

There is a difference between powerful and powergame. We all use powerful cards. Power is mostly but not always dictated by price. As we have gone over many a time before there are quite a few powergamey cards that slip under the money limit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2014, 10:56:38 AM
You never come out and say which ones they are! Or which expensive cards you think are fine.

The decklist I linked to includes some of the worse EDH offenders: consecrated sphinx, sensei's divining top, crucible of worlds, swords of X and Y, original dual lands, sneak attack.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 05, 2014, 09:45:45 PM
Well normally I can't be bothered to look it up but here are some cards that fit under our rules but I think are generally considered powergamey etc:

Zur the Enchanter
Rafiq
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind (only 2.60!)
Uril
Sharuum the Hegemon (1.00!)
Edric (1.20)
Strip Mine
Serra Ascendant


Ok that's all I am putting up for now as I can't be bothered to do more searching. It is easiest to pin point the generals as there are way more online discussions. A lot of the non commanders are trickier to define as over or under powered.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 05, 2014, 11:08:43 PM
That free mind control spell you used was pretty beardy but it seemed to be the only way you could stop my insanely OP merfolk/griffin azorius deck.  :::cheers:::

Islandwalk is strong.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2014, 11:27:38 PM
It's true that some powergamey things are cheaper than the limit, but I was more interesting in hearing about things that cost more than the limit but aren't powergamey! Since I thought that was your argument

But, never mind.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 06, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
That free mind control spell you used was pretty beardy but it seemed to be the only way you could stop my insanely OP merfolk/griffin azorius deck.  :::cheers:::

Islandwalk is strong.

Those decks I used today are oldish, like I said. Some dodgy stuff probably slipped in. I think in that match it wouldn't have made too much diff, Oloro would have just popped in next turn. But I would certainly take it out were I to use it again. Your deck seemed good for sure. Would like to pit it vs my normal decks.

Hmm, Rufus, that would take a while to work out indeed as I would have to check everything!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 06, 2014, 11:16:03 AM
I hope they add the C14 cards soon! The set is released in real life tomorrow.


Finlay and I had two good games. First Derevi beat Roon, then Marath beat Derevi. The first game featured a great deal of swine-cursing from both sides. Bacon everywhere!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 06, 2014, 03:54:12 PM
Swinoclasm!

I felt like I had amazing cards in game 1, yet did practically nothing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 06, 2014, 06:11:55 PM
That seems kinda what I would expect. Roon is kind of a one trick pony. Derevi and Marath are both full of tricks to win in different ways so I can see them doing better. I kind of hate curse of swine but that is to be expected as it is one that I never use but get used on me often.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 07, 2014, 01:16:00 PM
Article about commander on the wizards site:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ct/welcome-level-one-hundred-2014-11-06

The first part talks about how commander is supposed to work, notably:

Quote from: article
It's this vague area between harmless and game-ending that makes discussion—socialization—so important for Commander. You need to talk to the other players. Explaining what your deck does and how it goes about doing it, before ever shuffling up, will help others identify if they have an issue with that or if your idea of a great game won't be possible with everyone else. Explaining that your Sidisi, Brood Tyrant deck likes to Sidisi all over the place and nothing else, for example, might make another player put away Anafenza, the Foremost and reach for a different commander.

...or take Wheel of Sun and Moon out of their deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 07, 2014, 01:43:33 PM
That might make for better games I guess.

Taking populate and finding you are facing, for instance, roon, is not the most encouraging start. It is a weird format though. I feel like a fair chunk of what you try to build into the deck is to try and mitigate for certain types you might face. Would that be lessened by knowing what you are going to take on.

Should we try naming and agreeing on what we are planning on using for a bit in an attempt to make better games? I know we do that sometimes, but often we just say let's go!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 07, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Well, the surprise made for those brutal/amusing all dragon three player games, which I don't think we would have agreed to out of fear it would have been boring.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 07, 2014, 05:36:05 PM
I dunno if we would have played it or not, but for every dragon extravaganza there are a couple of flops. And come to think of it, rufus had a miserable time in thosd games.  :-P

I think it might produce more fun matchups like our again accidental angels vs demons!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 07, 2014, 05:44:51 PM
Yes, I hated those dragon games!

Saying what we're playing is a good plan.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 07, 2014, 05:49:30 PM
I dont really want to do deck picking as it feels like tailoring. But i can see certain matchups, like roon vs populate.
 I onlyhave three decks anyway.


Deckbuilding is definitely about mitigation, siby. I think most decks should try to include some answers to most things.

It is weird, hard to balance complaining because youre losing, and complaining because you actually cant do anything. And stuff your opponents doing seeming unreasonable,but fine if you do it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 07, 2014, 06:18:01 PM
Exactly, a game where the idea is to win, but to do so in s way that doesn't make your opponent feel bad is very tricky. I have a few decks that are filled with stuff I just like, they don't do well.  :-P

Telling your opponent what you are using is apprently in the spirit of the game fin. You don't agree?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 07, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
Im fine telling people what i plan to use if you guys want to.

Just not tailoring lists!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 07, 2014, 07:04:25 PM
Is anyone on now for one game?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 07, 2014, 07:08:31 PM
Can be!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 07, 2014, 08:47:56 PM
I'm so sorry fin! Someone showed up at my door way early and I rushed to answer and couldn't get away. I feel pretty bad, you totally were going to beat me too. Your forces were about twice as big as mine already!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 08, 2014, 01:05:25 AM
If you are about, cannon, I should be on for a lil bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 08, 2014, 01:34:04 AM
At the movies with my son, so I will not be on tonight, sorry.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 10, 2014, 12:32:05 AM
I'm on now if anyone wants to play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 10, 2014, 10:40:10 PM
The commander 14 cards are on GCCG!  :::cheers:::


Dear Feldon,

I love you.

Sincerely, rufus.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=389515&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 11, 2014, 03:44:09 AM
Dear Feldon,

I hate you. Die in a fire.

Sincerely,
All of my cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 11, 2014, 04:04:27 AM
You can't hate Santa!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 11, 2014, 05:06:31 AM
You can't hate Santa!

I hate him when he continually pulls these out of his pocket:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/63/692/635502728403121497.png)
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=206351&type=card)


Like an asshole.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 11, 2014, 09:52:22 AM
I'm guessing it wasn't rufus who was using steel hellkite?

I did enjoy our ruric vs bolas game. Unfortunately bolas has the pip of power/tough over ruric and that undid me somewhat but it was still a good game where stuff got onto the table.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 11, 2014, 10:16:31 AM
But it's santa!

(p.s., I also bought the red c14 deck in real life  :engel: )

hellkite was rufus! there's also that dodgy wurm which splits into 2 wurm tokens when it dies in the deck. He's definitely got Mirrodin std's now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 11, 2014, 12:38:01 PM
Yes, I have caught Mirrodinitis! But only because robot dragon and wurmcoil are in the red precon.  :icon_razz:

Feldon is the best.


Quote from: Siberius
I did enjoy our ruric vs bolas game. Unfortunately bolas has the pip of power/tough over ruric and that undid me somewhat but it was still a good game where stuff got onto the table.

Any game where I actually manage to cast Nicol Bolas is a good game! His mana cost is ridiculous.

It was funny that Ruric's ability never triggered!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 11, 2014, 01:52:01 PM
Hi. I am back to this thread. Played a lot of EDH sunday. Was fun! What did YOU do?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 11, 2014, 02:47:08 PM
That's all we have been playing lately!

Yes, I have caught Mirrodinitis! But only because robot dragon and wurmcoil are in the red precon.  :icon_razz:

I thought it was odd that you weren't asking what my mirrodin cards did, does that mean you are going to read them now when they get played? Wurmcoil and Hellkite are both rather disgusting.  :-P

Any game where I actually manage to cast Nicol Bolas is a good game! His mana cost is ridiculous.

It was funny that Ruric's ability never triggered!

His cost may be rediculous, but so is winning in 3 attacks and deleting your opponent's hand so I don't feel too bad for you.  :evil:
As it was, you rakdos returned me at least twice last night!

I like Ruric. I will probably use him more. I felt like with the right draw I might have still stood a chance to pull that game round. I enjoyed just swinging away at you with stuff you didn't really want to block. Vigilence on Ruric himself is very handy.

I half expected me to be the one who triggered his ability! I guess in an ideal world I would build a deck of pure creatures but I don't want the deck to be too one dimensional so instead I will just try and cast stuff right before I play him or something.  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 11, 2014, 03:40:56 PM
Hi. I am back to this thread. Played a lot of EDH sunday. Was fun! What did YOU do?

I built decks and then made the mistake of playing a random. Stupid kid gloated about his elf deck. I just don't care to compete against those stupid "win as quickly as possible" decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 11, 2014, 04:43:46 PM
I think win as quick as possible is fine if you are an aggro deck and beating people round the face is what you do. Trying to cheat a win in 3 turns or something isn't too fun though.

Do we consider Riku broken? If not, I might make me a deck. He seems interesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 11, 2014, 04:47:20 PM
Riku is one of the worst offenders!

i'm hoping to be on tonight to test the new decks and generals. but might go to hockey training... can't decide.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 11, 2014, 04:50:36 PM
Pity. I get confused between the names as a lot of them are quite similar so I couldn't remember if we had discussed him. Of course, like everyone, he probably isn't as bad if you don't thoroughly abuse him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 11, 2014, 04:52:10 PM
He’s pretty bad even if not abused (very easily abused for combo wins). Card advantage-tastic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 11, 2014, 11:27:31 PM
(http://mtgcardsmith.com/view/cards/1400965932496285.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 11, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
Riku is really mean. I can't even imagine a deck where he wouldn't be incredibly frustrating to play against.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 12, 2014, 12:02:23 AM
I thought that was a good game!

Your slumberer kept heat off you early,me and rufus beat each other up.
Me and rufus alternated having better board positiins, with yiu on most life, as we traded blows to stop a big advantage, then you snuck a big slam for win!


Id rather you guys just said and quit if you wanted to, though, so i can go do something else like play tie fighter! Pew pew.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 12, 2014, 12:03:02 AM
Hi. I am back to this thread. Played a lot of EDH sunday. Was fun! What did YOU do?
I got excited by the new c14 cards
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 12, 2014, 12:43:21 AM
Have I missed all the fun for today then?  :icon_cry:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 12, 2014, 08:17:49 AM
I was already asleep when you posted that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 12, 2014, 11:17:47 AM
Yeh that game was fine really. I quit when rufus countered my dragon as i knew i would need 11 to cast it and you guys would have far better stuff on the board by then. Then I realised I could use mizzium to blow up the board so tried to carry on. But it was all falling apart. I think whilst there is nothing inherently wrong with multiplayer, it can get frustrating when you can't do anything as it takes 3 times as long to play out.

I had that game 1. I know you guys weren't ganging up per se but from my perspective I was taking the brunt of the stuff coming out whilst never really actually doing anything. No one's fault, just how it worked out that game. Rufus board wiped me because his wipe only worked on me. That's fair enough. Just puts you in a very uninteractive place.

Cannon, I am back on early mornings now so my time will be running a lot more like the other guys...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 12, 2014, 09:39:18 PM
Is anyone going to be on tonight?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 12, 2014, 09:42:50 PM
Not sure yet!

We only just started bb, soswill be 11 if I get one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 13, 2014, 05:32:46 AM
After barely pulling out a win against Fin's red precon deck, I played a couple games against Rufus. First game he thrashed me, and I was all like:

(http://8.petflowblog.isprimecdn.com/app/uploads/2014/10/tumblr_mlgjidJLop1qd8tqqo1_500.jpg)

Second game he also thrashed me, and I was like:

(http://9.petflowblog.isprimecdn.com/app/uploads/2014/10/sinister-animals-3-600x498.jpg)

And then I played Zurgo, and smashed his helm, and then I was like:

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/db/70/a7/db70a7baecd21c50b024fe2124740c3c.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 13, 2014, 10:55:30 AM
I dint think you barely pulled out a win vs me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 13, 2014, 01:42:03 PM
santa smashes erebos, then erebos smashes santa!

onesided games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 13, 2014, 05:16:27 PM
I dint think you barely pulled out a win vs me!

I felt that way.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 13, 2014, 05:21:59 PM
I have off today and tomorrow, so I will just be sitting on gccg while I hang out at home.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 13, 2014, 05:37:56 PM
i'll be on for a couple of games at some point
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 13, 2014, 06:29:54 PM
Hey i might come jump on in a few minutes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 14, 2014, 06:02:06 PM
I'm on now, and shall be for the next few hours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 14, 2014, 10:10:55 PM
http://manabasecrafter.com/

you're welcome
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 14, 2014, 10:15:26 PM
Wow!

That's cheating though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 15, 2014, 12:41:07 AM
Well me and cannon just had an unsatisfactory game where I Glen Elandra mage locked him down. In slight fairness it took two cards to to make it work. One with graft and her. But not so much in fairness I do have a few graft creatures in there. I will remove her from my deck cannon and hope that it doesn't hurt it too much.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 15, 2014, 01:20:37 AM
Id akready not inckuded her on grounds of cheatiness with roon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 15, 2014, 08:45:27 AM
She is probably fine if you can't take advantage of her blipping over and over. Kinda like a 2 shot azorius owl for more mana. But when she can keep popping back...

I guess roon is tricky because a lot of stuff is on the edge of being cheaty. Eternal Witness would be amazing at non stop graveyard search for anything you needed springs to mind but I bet there are a tonne of others!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 15, 2014, 11:12:42 AM
I dont tgink its thst tricky. Theres a few infinite combos, plus deadeye navigator. I also dont take glen elendra, prophet kruphix, or two types of shaper savant.

Eternal witness is good, but not oppresive on the opponent

The deck kinda sucks, though.

Sorry for bring grumpy last night everyone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 15, 2014, 12:10:47 PM
Well glen elandra isn't oppresive in my deck unless I get the right thing out, which is probably the same deal with witness. I am sure there are a few cards in your deck that if you can get them rotating are pretty nasty? I know eternal witness in my graveyard deck is even pretty handy if I can get something nice in my graveyard.


Do you still have progenitor mimic in your deck? That thing is pretty evil with roon. Though that thing is pretty evil full stop. Makes right of replication look merely ok.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 15, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
Glen Eandra Archmage = two counterspells + a flyer. It's always oppressive! And trivially easy to recur.

I don't use it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 15, 2014, 02:22:24 PM
Well ravnica owl is 1 counterspell and a flyer and costs 4 times less.

I think it is just the ease of removing the -1 counters that makes it great. If you can't do that, it's just good like the hawk.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 15, 2014, 04:15:39 PM
I don't think it woukd have been so bad, if my deck hadn't been relying on non-creature spells to make up for minotaurs being rubbish, and possibly if I hadn't been so mana starved I could have chained five or six removal spells to get her. Still, having to chain five or six removal spells is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 15, 2014, 05:02:59 PM
I think maybe a more aggresive atk strategy might have helped too. I never really felt too in danger where maybe I would have felt the need to block had you just kept swinging early on when nothing was too big. Once I got my grafter pumped and super hydra in play it was over.

I'm often guilty of that myself. Just not wanting to trade creatures where in actual fact maybe it benefits you. Always a toughy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 15, 2014, 05:29:31 PM
Well ravnica owl is 1 counterspell and a flyer and costs 4 times less.

No it isn't!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=289221&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370522&type=card)

They aren't even close. The owl is a super-soft counter, and only hits instants and sorceries! Glen Eadra is two hard counters even if you don't recur it. Seriously, I don't see how you can compare the two.

I think either we all use the archmage anytime we play blue, or we make an agreement that no one does.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 15, 2014, 05:30:52 PM
Once your grafter was out I couldn't attack. He was too big. By the time I got a 5/5 out you had your hydra, and you removed my 5/5 immediately.

I was pretty helpless that game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 15, 2014, 05:38:26 PM
My grafter started at 4/4 and was 2/2 pretty quick. That was when you could have done some swapsies. I attacked with it a couple of times where you could have double blocked to kill it which would have freed you of glen.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 15, 2014, 05:50:04 PM
Well ravnica owl is 1 counterspell and a flyer and costs 4 times less.

No it isn't!


Actually,regardless of strength, yes it is! You even showed the cards to prove it!

Anyways, I took elandra out of that deck and popped Teferi in instead as he is acceptable.

Also, I am on right now.  8-)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 15, 2014, 05:59:34 PM
Showing the cards proved that they aren't the same! The owl is too weak to use in commander, because his counter will rarely work. It's like saying shock is the same as comet storm. But, never mind.

Planeswalker Teferi? Normal Teferi is a troll.

I'll be on later! Normal sort of time.


What do we think of the PW commanders, by the way? And are we allowing them in decks if not the commander?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 15, 2014, 07:18:31 PM
I don't know who non PW teferi is.

Haven't we been using the commander PWs for a few days now? Guessing they are not restricted, don't seem much worse than some of the other things out there.

I never said the counterflyers were the same, just confused why you quoted the bit of my statement that showing the cards totally backed up and then said that it didn't.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 16, 2014, 10:20:07 PM
'Counter unless pay 1' isn't a counterspell! It's an incentive to leave one mana open when you cast something. It won't counter anything unless your opponent allows it or they forget it's there.

On the planeswalkers: I think using one as commander is different to using one in your deck (a PW commander is generally worse than using a creature as commander). If we allow them main deck, then there's no reason not to allow all the others... which I'm not keen on.  :icon_confused:


So anyway: I'm on magic now! Siby ran away after one game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 16, 2014, 10:31:13 PM
Let's allow all PW as commanders only, except certain ones like Jace that are ridiculous. We should make a list and vote on which ones we think should be banned between us.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 16, 2014, 10:34:19 PM
I don't think we should allow any PW as commander! Only the new ones that specifically say they can be.

Though I'm happy with not using any at all, really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 16, 2014, 11:22:10 PM
I don't think we should allow any PW as commander! Only the new ones that specifically say they can be.

Though I'm happy with not using any at all, really.
I misunderstood what you were talking about.
I'd rather none than all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 16, 2014, 11:34:27 PM
I don't think I was very clear!

I think either we use only the C14 ones, and then only as commanders (not main deck), or we don't use any at all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 16, 2014, 11:55:42 PM
Maybe we should have an actual banlist. I mean, the format encourages house rules so why not? There are some things we already kind of have on it such as Lightning Greaves but the price restriction seems to be lifted, at least a bit. There are a bunch of things we probably won't use anyways for overpoweredness but why not make some of the more iffy ones official?

We could start with:

Lightning Greaves
Glen Elandra Mage

I'm not sure the planeswalkers are really all that bad assuming you don't go overboard. We could just ban the worst offenders. Some are super fluffy. I would love to throw Ajani in my cat deck for instance, though I am not sure off hand how bad he is. With no tutoring it isn't like we are going to see them every game. The ones I feel like I hear most hate about are the Jaces, Gideon and Elspeth.

I still wish we would ban sol ring too. It feels like one person always gets it early on and gets a crazy advantage over the other. Isn't it already restricted outside of commander somewhat?

Also, I ran away cos my wife got home  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 17, 2014, 12:29:22 AM
How about this if we did sanction planeswalkers? Only one per deck! That way you could do something thematic or whatever but the other person wouldn't feel overwhelmed by planeswalkeritis! And/or we could ban the use of the ultimates to save rediculousness.

I'm guessing the answer to all these thoughts is no, but I thought I would put them out there.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 17, 2014, 12:45:53 AM
I still think some of them are not so bad. The problem with Emblems is they aren't permanents, so there's no way to remove them once they're cast.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 17, 2014, 12:58:59 AM
prophet of kruphix, deadeye navigator.


I havent lifted the price limit! i feel iffy about putting anything in thats over a 5er, unless it came from one of the precons!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 17, 2014, 02:23:10 AM
Can we ban land kill from being used against me?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 17, 2014, 08:48:59 AM
We could ban landkill? Though outside of the ease of strip mine, the other lands that land kill seem pretty fair so maybe we could allow them.

I have no problems with not having prophet or deadeye.

I think you are the only price limit restricted person now fin! At least one of the artifact creatures rufus has in the santa deck was over 10squids.

Cannon, I would be happy to disallow us from using emblem abilities.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 17, 2014, 09:06:26 AM
I think you are the only price limit restricted person now fin! At least one of the artifact creatures rufus has in the santa deck was over 10squids.

Precon deck. Fin has the same one.

Also, the wurmcoil engine from that precon is 8quid. Containment Priest is the only C14 card that would break the price limit rule.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 17, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
This is why I am not worried about the price rule anymore. It is too arbitrary and I think we are all avoiding the crazy hundred quid stuff anyways.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 17, 2014, 11:26:41 AM
I rarely play with cards which I wouldn’t buy. So I have expensive cards from the precons (a couple of white spells from Derevi, and a couple creatures from Daretti), the gods which rufus bought me, and aside from that I don’t really like putting cards over Ģ5 in (although I did add more duals to Marath and Roon. Playing mono coloured decks gives me colour envy…)

Finding I’m adding more now though, getting stomped all the time!

I’d rather we had a stricter price limit, even down to say a 5er (perhaps with a land exception?), than abandoning it.

Arms race.

I still think the price limit is a pretty decent measuring stick.
We’re talking about banning cards- of course it’s arbitrary.




I don’t think im against using any PW as commander, with our own banned list. Teferi is so much better than the other c14 commanders I feel like we either need to ban them, or open it up! We could try opening it up, and see if they ruin games?
I do feel like they're More likely to annoy me than me saying “omg, I desperately want to use this one”
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 17, 2014, 01:10:43 PM
I’d rather we had a stricter price limit, even down to say a 5er (perhaps with a land exception?), than abandoning it.

Me too.


Quote
I don’t think im against using any PW as commander

I think it's a bad idea. It's against the rules for a reason.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 17, 2014, 03:06:10 PM
The problem with the price limit is having to check every card before putting it in your deck.

That takes forever! And is why I assume cannon doesn't bother and I haven't worried too much.

Unless there is some clever system you guys are using to avoid having to do that in which case let me in on it!

If we are enforcing the price ban I would agree 10 is too high. 3 would probably keep most of the stealth good cards out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 17, 2014, 03:10:27 PM
Having said all that, the games I have with cannon are pretty much the most balanced and fun ones of all and neither of us are using pricelimits. Make of that what you will!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 17, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
I make all my decks on tapped out, and then export it as a text file, to paste into magic card traders deck building search, and can also import it directly onto gccg.
If I see a card that costs Ģ9.90 I think “that’s too close” not “yes, it just fits in”. arbitrary finston!
I don’t think I’ve seen either of you play a card I objected too on price levels, though. It would have annoyed me if you’d used glen elendra vs me, because I’d already decided that I wouldn’t use her- but you weren’t to know that





me and rufus are magic geniuses who have found all the underused, (so cheap), yet Cheaty broken cards!

Must be!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 17, 2014, 04:10:38 PM
In fairness i usually have good games with you too unless iroas pops up   :-P

Rufus just always seems to have the exact card he needs! We played with cannon the other day and 3 or 4 times cannon played an amazing card to sneak back control only for rufus to have the perfect counter! He even managed to top deck a card cannom had just made him shuffle to deck! It was madness.

I will concede that it is probably more a case that rufus is a better class of player than us. I think he is on 65% or so win record, I think that is going up!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 17, 2014, 04:15:24 PM
Rufus beats me because he’s a better player.
He’s a better deckbuilder, but I don’t think his decks are powergamey (wouldn’t mind if he dropped capsize, though!) and he’s a better pilot.

He doesn’t make stupid mistakes like casting marath, giving him 2 equipments and not realising santa is just going to recur the tyrant familiar which kills marath when it attacks. He doesn’t counter ivy lane denizen then get killed by a simic sky swallower the next turn. He doesn’t enact a 2 part plan and forget to do the 2nd part of it.

1vs1 is also more susceptible to games going horribly due to bad draws, or a couple turns of mana screw, which wouldn’t effect multi in the same way.
The bonus is they are quicker and less likely to descend into boring nothingness like the multi games can, and people don’t forget to pay attention!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 17, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
He's a savant.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 17, 2014, 08:30:57 PM
1vs1 is also more susceptible to games going horribly due to bad draws, or a couple turns of mana screw, which wouldn’t effect multi in the same way.
The bonus is they are quicker and less likely to descend into boring nothingness like the multi games can, and people don’t forget to pay attention!

I agree with this. I think sometimes it is worth throwing in the towel earlier when things go badly wrong. The best games are the close ones. I am trying to get out of the habit of holding on till the bitter end when I am 90% sure I am going to lose.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 17, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
1vs1 is also more susceptible to games going horribly due to bad draws, or a couple turns of mana screw, which wouldn’t effect multi in the same way.
The bonus is they are quicker and less likely to descend into boring nothingness like the multi games can, and people don’t forget to pay attention!

I agree with this. I think sometimes it is worth throwing in the towel earlier when things go badly wrong. The best games are the close ones. I am trying to get out of the habit of holding on till the bitter end when I am 90% sure I am going to lose.

One time I was down to 4 life and came back to win. But yeah, like that game when I had 240 life against you? That one makes sense to concede.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 17, 2014, 08:42:53 PM
He's a savant.

Na, he's just better at magic than me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 17, 2014, 09:17:06 PM
He's a savant.

Na, he's just better at magic than me!

He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him! I'll chase him 'round the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round perdition's flames before I give him up!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 17, 2014, 09:56:03 PM
Anybody coming on today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 17, 2014, 10:28:14 PM
After work.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 18, 2014, 03:37:35 AM
It's cool guys, I'll just build some decks.


alone.



by myself.




















alone.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 18, 2014, 08:40:50 AM
I can't stay up until after christmas sadly. Gotta be up at 3 most mornings so I may be catching you mostly on days off...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2014, 11:13:48 AM
Well, I didn’t rage while siby was wooping me last night, then I broke my 11 game losing streak vs rufus, who took a surprisingly long time to die considering he had 3 mana for most of the game. I thought he was gonna sneak a win at one point! (my black deck is easily my strongest deck)
Then a pretty interesting roon vs santa game, which could have been better if I’d beenpaying attention properly and not made 2 crucial mistakes, although I always felt like I was losing.
Roon needs so much hand holding! I’d like to make the deck a little stronger really but not sure what to do. Perhaps it just needs more ramp.

So, progress!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 18, 2014, 03:08:21 PM
You did well not to rage. I kept pulling what I needed when I needed and you kept milling not very handy stuff. And then once you did I either exiled it or stole it. I'm not sure about sidisi. I like her in theory but she is vulnerable and without her the deck does seem to stall somewhat. I have similar issues with mine.

Glad to hear you got a win after though!

I used to hate roon but I can see why you say he isn't as good as I thought. He is pretty expensive so if you can send him packing a couple of times the deck loses momentum.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2014, 04:18:27 PM
Sidisi sucks! Her ability is terrible.

I think I'm gonna break the deck into a bg grave deck, and a ub zombie deck.

I think her ability should be every creature which goes in grave from lib gives a zombie, but that would be too good in standard.

Roon can be great, but it wont happen very often. I think you got thragtusked in one game, and based all opinions on that!
My deck is too reliant on him, and blinking in general. EG farhaven elf. If I can blink it, awesome. If not, plain old cultivate is better.
I probably need a few more big bombs. The only wincons I have are trostani summoner, which needs blinking, and tokens easiest thing to kill, armada wurm, and progen mimic, and tokens easiest thing to kill.

I need to build decks less around the general, but then I find them less interesting to make or drive. They just end up full of staples and goodstuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 18, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
Took off work early, so I am on now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2014, 11:53:13 PM
No one is going to want to play me!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 19, 2014, 12:26:04 AM
You ended up winning?

I figured you would at the point I left. It may have seemed like I was doing well but I never got anything out that hit for more than 3 so I wasn't really doing a whole lot.  Considering how themetastic cannon's deck was I thought it performed really well.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 19, 2014, 11:05:43 AM
Also, anyone have issues with me having a progenitus deck? I am guessing the huge cost will mean no but wanted to check. I am mainly using him to get into 5 colours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 19, 2014, 11:57:57 AM
An unblockable creature you can only counter, or wipe, that wins in three turns.

Not overly keen on that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 19, 2014, 03:02:34 PM
Bummer, always been keen on him since he was in my starting set.

I thought maybe his tricky casting cost would male him not so hated. Rufus used nicol the other day and was lamenting how hard it was to cast even him! Wish there were more 5col generals.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 19, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
Try it out, and if you cast him and he wins you every game, swap him to something else (cromat!!). You’ll probably hardly ever be able to cast him in single player, might be a bit worse in multi.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 19, 2014, 05:12:08 PM
I really like ewok goblins.

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/images/daily/cardart_hordelingoutburst.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on November 20, 2014, 03:51:39 PM
A friend is going to lend me a deck, and I will be playing a FNM. Lets hope its fun. Probably best way to check the game out and see if its worth getting into it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 20, 2014, 03:53:35 PM
Good luck! Hopefully there won't be a lot of mean powergamers.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 20, 2014, 03:55:50 PM
isnt fnm just standard? What about edh!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 20, 2014, 04:02:45 PM
FNM is anything the shop wants to run! So it could be standard, EDH, modern, booster draft, whatever.

I haven't been to one yet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 20, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
Anyone playing today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 20, 2014, 09:49:33 PM
Nope, destiny raiding!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 20, 2014, 09:55:45 PM
After work, and tomorrow and Saturday I have off so look for me then.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 22, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
Finlay in Rufus Rules incident!

Telling me I can't use Rhystic Study, then playing one himself!  ::heretic::

Ha ha!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 22, 2014, 10:57:58 PM
Rhystic study seems pretty handy, but there are a lot of really good card draw cards and it doesn't seem too much worse than the others. But maybe I'm wrong.

So I was thinking, rather than have to try and make every deck at least fairly competetive, why don't we have two categories. Our normal decks, then our fun decks. It is nigh impossible to make that an exact science, but for instance I made a Ragnar deck with a bunch of random cards I found from pretty old times. Cannon crushed it handily twice in a row without even using anything disgusting. But I like the idea of using it again.

So I'm putting it out there as an option. If you want to build decks that are either fluffy or themey or just use a bunch of subpar cards because you like them, do it and I will have some likewise decks to play against. It will be a nice change up from the normal cards we see over and over. Maybe I will even bring my embarrased Jedit deck back out to play.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 23, 2014, 12:15:18 AM
Sorry to run out. Really do need to get to bed. I wasn't even gonna play another but I figured I should give you the chance of a good game. Sadly death touch its very bad for my deck :p
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 23, 2014, 12:28:11 AM
So I'm putting it out there as an option. If you want to build decks that are either fluffy or themey or just use a bunch of subpar cards because you like them, do it

That's sort of all I do :P

I don't know about me not using anything disgusting. That demon deck made me feel pretty dirty. Especially when I dropped ole Killy McKillerson.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247339&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 23, 2014, 08:32:19 AM
I think decks can be themey but still dangerous, like demons or angels.

Your centaur deck on the other hand is full of not very good cards. I think that vs ragnar would be a decent game.

That board wipe demon isn't really any worse than martial coup or phyrexian rebirth say. It is really just a boardwipe that drops a creature.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 23, 2014, 12:16:41 PM
Or marath beasts/counters, or roon blink..., or santa artifact/discard
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 23, 2014, 01:54:38 PM
Yeh I think that guy only would be really bad if you could keep blinking him somehow. Which I am sure you can, but I doubt you have built your deck around that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 23, 2014, 04:09:58 PM
Yeh I think that guy only would be really bad if you could keep blinking him somehow. Which I am sure you can, but I doubt you have built your deck around that.

He has to be cast from hand. So maybe in a BU deck with lots of mana and tons of rth.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 23, 2014, 08:34:03 PM
Oh true! He's really not too bad then!

For a demon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 23, 2014, 09:16:47 PM
I was playing magic for real today, using the red C14 deck Finlay bought me for my birthday. Everything went amazingly: Daretti filled th graveyard with nasty artifacts, before scrap mastery put them all into play. Then I activated Daretti's ultimate to get the emblem that makes artifacts unkillable.  Hurrah!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 23, 2014, 10:48:00 PM
then the guy punched ypu in the face!

did you use daretti as commander?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 24, 2014, 11:00:10 AM
Yes, I used cyborg pope goblin as commander. He's good if you ramp him out and no one is able to attack him! Also, it helped that I got reforge the soul to refill my hand. Santa didn't show up, which was a shame because there were lots of dragons in the graveyard!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 24, 2014, 04:54:51 PM
if you had a dual command zone with those two in, that would be awesome.


Cannon, when you on today? keep just missing you! ted punished me for staying up till 1 by being awake from 5-6 because he couldnt blow his nose.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 24, 2014, 07:09:35 PM
After 6pm my time today and tomorrow. I have Wednesday, Thursday, Friday off, but it's the Thanksgiving so my online presense will be unpredictable at best.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 25, 2014, 08:42:41 PM
I'll likely be on tonight for a bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 26, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
With this:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=389556&type=card)

Can you return the creature you sacrificed? My immediate thought was no, but now I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 26, 2014, 12:14:50 PM
i think you can.

I think its a "political" card, or for multiplayer where you can for the first option choose someone with 0 creatures, or only good creatures. and for the second choose someone with nothing or only bad stuff in the 'yard.

I think i cut it from the deck! would add back in if we were going to play a lot more 4 player. which we're not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 26, 2014, 12:19:24 PM
Yes, it looks like you can... the card doesn't target, so nothing is locked in until it resolves. And you do the top part before the bottom part.

So I actually wouldn't have even cast it in that game! Definitely one for multiplayer only. The red offering is the only one that's worth using in 1 vs 1.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 26, 2014, 03:11:40 PM
I woz robbed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 26, 2014, 03:15:47 PM
In other news though I just realised bladewing is also a zombie which may lead me to shift a few cards around. There must be some good value zombie stuff I can take advantage of too...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 30, 2014, 12:25:47 PM
Article explaining the commander banned list:

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/29811_Thankful-For-The-Banned-List.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 04, 2014, 09:35:21 AM
You guys still playing?I have been in the midst of moving but am coming out the other side now...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 04, 2014, 10:24:15 AM
I went on today, and saw rufus, but he left without saying anything to me. I've just been building terrible decks and playing AC4.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 04, 2014, 10:40:52 AM
been busy, expecting to be on friday and saturday night
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 04, 2014, 11:09:49 AM
I went on today, and saw rufus, but he left without saying anything to me.

!

Are you sure? I don't remember doing that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 04, 2014, 11:38:48 AM
I went on today, and saw rufus, but he left without saying anything to me.

!

Are you sure? I don't remember doing that!

quite sure
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 04, 2014, 11:55:21 AM
Oh!

Not intentional!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 04, 2014, 01:02:02 PM
Oh!

Not intentional!

I didn't think it was!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 04, 2014, 01:36:23 PM
Hi. It's me. Just came to say I'm done with magic online. If you ever considered it: Don't. The algorhythm for the shuffler is noticably flawed and the factthat wizards doesn't want to make the code public isn't helping either.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 04, 2014, 02:02:20 PM
Come play for free on gccg!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 04, 2014, 05:03:31 PM
What fin said.

I am still in my horrible work schedule right now but will likely be popping in more now I have the internet back,. Huzzah!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 04, 2014, 05:44:57 PM
What on earth is the gccg?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 04, 2014, 11:21:41 PM
Arghhh! Rafiqed to death! Why does one always draw condemn vs generals you don't care about and then when you badly badly need it it refuses to show up?

I only won the first game cos you decided to play a green deck when all your cards were white and blue.  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 04, 2014, 11:51:17 PM
Arghhh! Rafiqed to death! Why does one always draw condemn vs generals you don't care about and then when you badly badly need it it refuses to show up?

I only won the first game cos you decided to play a green deck when all your cards were white and blue.  :-P

I have more whit and blue land than green! I don't know how I only had the three forests I started with for that entire game, without drawing any of my land fetch or anything :(

Rafiq is deceptively dangerous. On the face of it, he's just a 3/3 with exalted, and sometimes double strike. But give him a little synergy to work with, and he gets super mean super fast. I seriously made him my commander because he was a WGU knight, and that was my only reason, but he definitely won both of those last two games.

It's no less than you deserve for fielding Iroas though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 05, 2014, 12:10:54 AM
At least iroas was only in the deck and never likely to be active.

Though it says something that he was still so important that I didn't even worry about lack of devotion. I seriously think he is the best god of the bunch.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 05, 2014, 10:37:06 AM
What on earth is the gccg?
http://gccg.sourceforge.net/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXhNS24zsO4

Rafiq is deceptively dangerous.

Not really, he’s notorious!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 05, 2014, 11:21:04 AM
When he made him indestructible and trample +2 I cried.

I forget what purphuros  does add non of us use him. Mogis is pretty handy too.I could see getting annoyed by him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 05, 2014, 11:50:24 AM
Purphoros does 2 burn everytime a creature ETB to all opponents. I don’t use him on purpose. Would be insanity in marath.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 05, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
Ah one of those. You know, a lot of banned or nasty things are a lot more reasonable in decks that don't exploit them aren't they. Like I have an uril deck that has barely an enchantment. Without them he its merely ok.

Not sure what point I an making other than maybe we should consider that more with stuff we hate. If purphuros was in say a red burn deck he wouldn't be so bad right?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 05, 2014, 05:11:32 PM
If purphuros was in say a red burn deck he wouldn't be so bad right?
He's still pretty bad. Cheap, indestructible, and even if you only get out 5 creatures (not a lot in edh) that's 10 damage essentially for free. There's only a couple gods that aren't bonkers. Heliod, Pharika, Nylea, and Ephara are all pretty tame. Erebos isn't super awful, but he's annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 05, 2014, 05:29:19 PM
Pharika and Ephara are great.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 05, 2014, 06:35:04 PM
Not saying he ain't good. Just not so broken. Lots of stuff does damage like that. They are all great value really. Even the not so good ones
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 05, 2014, 07:16:20 PM
Not saying he ain't good. Just not so broken. Lots of stuff does damage like that. They are all great value really. Even the not so good ones

Even without their activated or triggered abilities they are an amazing value.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 05, 2014, 07:43:45 PM
Indeed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 06, 2014, 11:15:05 PM
So, I've played six or seven games with my Grimgrin deck, which I made purely so I could have Geralf and Gisa from C14 in it, for a zombies and mad scientists theme.

Neither of them has shown up once! Where are they!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 06, 2014, 11:50:27 PM
So, I've played six or seven games with my Grimgrin deck, which I made purely so I could have Geralf and Gisa from C14 in it, for a zombies and mad scientists theme.

Neither of them has shown up once! Where are they!  ::heretic::

Probably arguing about who their parents loved more.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 07, 2014, 12:47:28 AM
So, I've played six or seven games with my Grimgrin deck, which I made purely so I could have Geralf and Gisa from C14 in it, for a zombies and mad scientists theme.

Neither of them has shown up once! Where are they!  ::heretic::

They are hiding to let the rest of your deck pound me into the ground repeatedly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 07, 2014, 03:56:35 PM
Don't you hate it when you are testing a deck and someone comes in and critiques it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 07, 2014, 04:38:11 PM
I hate it when it's one of the power gamer randoms asking you why you don't have such and such op combo that should be in EVERY deck, what's wrong don't you want to win just putitinthereitssupergoodwhydoyouhavethatcarditsnotsupergreatifyouaddedthisitwouldworkwellwiththatifyoualsoaddedthesesixothercards...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 08, 2014, 01:07:46 AM
Yeah and it is one thing to do it while you are playing them but it is a whole other to do it whilst you are testing your deck by itself! First thing he said is that a card I was playing was suboptimal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 08, 2014, 03:08:51 AM
Yeah and it is one thing to do it while you are playing them but it is a whole other to do it whilst you are testing your deck by itself! First thing he said is that a card I was playing was suboptimal.

Tell him his face is suboptimal.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 08, 2014, 11:17:25 AM
I suppose they're just trying to help!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 08, 2014, 11:31:37 AM
"you need to add tundra, savannah and tropical island"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 08, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
"Also mystical tutor, enlightened tutor, worldly tutor, and survival of the fittest."


I saw a thread on MTG salvation where a guy was complaining that people didn't want to play his Captain Sissay deck that tutored up obnoxious cards like Elesh Norn, Gaddog Teeg, and Hokori Dust Drinker. Of course they don't! No one would!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 08, 2014, 03:17:35 PM
They are just trying to help which is on theory nice. But unsolicited and then arguing back when you explain why you don't take something, too far!

I was actually really nice with that new red white deck. I left out baneslayer, iroas, purphuros and elesh. You can thank me when you beat it.  :-P which rufus already did of course!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 09, 2014, 12:47:37 PM
"baneslayer, iroas, purphuros and elesh"


those 3 are good cards.

Elesh is in a different league. I'd be upset if anyone included her.


Iroas is by far the cheapest of those you listed, by the by.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 09, 2014, 04:55:44 PM
Ha, they've announced another modern masters set (reprints intended for modern). Boosters cost three times as much as normal boosters!  :Ohmy:

Modern is such a stupid format.


Quote
Iroas is by far the cheapest of those you listed, by the by.

He's dropped a lot in price!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 09, 2014, 06:35:54 PM
"baneslayer, iroas, purphuros and elesh"


those 3 are good cards.

Elesh is in a different league. I'd be upset if anyone included her.


Iroas is by far the cheapest of those you listed, by the by.

I kind of disagree.

Purphuros I still don't know that well but I know Rufus hates it so I left it out.

Baneslayer is very good but pretty removable to most kill spells and whatnot.

Iroas is cheap to cast and indestructable. On top of that you make your whole army hard to block, himself included right? Then as if that wasn't enough, even if you do block there is no value as only your guys die. That's why every time he has popped up in EDH, whoever plays him pretty much wins!

Elesh Norn is more expensive and has no resistance to kill spells or boardwipes. Assuming we are not talking about generals here that is a pretty easy thing to make die. It's only real bonus is the + and - thing which obviously is really nice but has no sustainability if something is used on it, which it should be. The initial boardwipe is great, but not too different from a bunch of other pretty cheap spells that do likewise.

I think they are both pretty amazing team members in EDH.

And we have established before that cost is a kinda helpful guide to card quality but not the be all and end all. I'm guessing the card prices are mostly based from say modern and such? Which is a totally different format. See Tarmagoyf for example of cost to EDH quality being slightly out of alignment.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 09, 2014, 11:02:01 PM
price isnt the be all and end all, but a good guide.

iroas is 3 quid. elesh is 20.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 10, 2014, 01:00:28 AM
Maybe you're right. I tried to take maelstrom wanderer vs rufus and it turned out he is super powerful apparently.

I get the feeling I have no concept of what is powerful add you guys usually disagree with me and I always end up using stuff which is broken. Oddly I still manage to lose with it to rufus's worst decks which is kinda embarrassing if you think about it!

I can't remember checking maelstrom's price do probably up there with elesh. Maybe I should start checking them more carefully again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 10, 2014, 01:28:49 AM
Elesh is pretty hateful.

I think Iroas is 3 squids only because he can still be obtained in packs. Even the most OP mythic rare card from M15 is only $15 right now. As it becomes less available it will rise. Pharika is currently valued higher http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/journey-into-nyx/pharika-god-of-affliction and you can't argue that she's better or even AS GOOD as Iroas.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 10, 2014, 12:04:03 PM
I get the feeling I have no concept of what is powerful add you guys usually disagree with me and I always end up using stuff which is broken.

 Oddly I still manage to lose with it to rufus's worst decks which is kinda embarrassing if you think about it!
I think you play magic in the sort of "play creatures, turn them sideways" kind of way which I do as well. (which is why Iroas is so good in our games, yet in other "metas" or in different games he's not, hence the price)

so can overstate important of some cards, and miss other beardy ones.

eg when I started playing I thought all the cards for "pay life, draw a card" were shit. Why would I want to hurt myself?- because card advantage is more important than life totals.


and yes, I always lose to rufus even when he says "i'll use a crap deck now"- insult to injury! (apart from when I Rooned his face off when he was using the crap precons.)


Elesh norn is bad for 2 reasons. 1) she’s just flat out really good. 2)she is really restrictive on your opponent.

At least Iroas doesn’t fuck with your shit!


If Iroas really annoys everyone, I’ll take it out. But I will keep it for games vs rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 10, 2014, 12:11:11 PM
also, rufus is more experienced and has played longer, so flat out knows which cards are broken or whatever from sets he played in.

I'm sure Vendilion clique was a key offender in fairy tribal which dominated standard at the time, but if you didn't know that it's easier to overlook.

but if you delve into the value you can see it- a 3 power flyer for 3 mana. quite good. flash, ok excellent. thoughtsieze or card cycling yourself for free. amazing.
3 cards in one.

I tried to use sower of temptation the other day
"oh it's only the same effect as control magic"
yes, but with a free 2/2 flyer. 2 cards in one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 10, 2014, 12:17:26 PM
That black demon cannon used board wipes you and leaves an evasive 6 power, but no one really had issues with it. Elesh doesn't do a total board wipe and is blockable by anything. I'm still not saying it isn't good, but I am curious whether it would have as big an impact as you think or if it would just get killed next turn mostly.

And if all off us bar rufus play a different brand of magic, shouldn't we judge how good things are in our meta by our standards? It's not like what we pay actually hurts rufus that bad judging from records...

Also, I have been researching maelstrom wanderer rufus and can't find anything suggesting it is one of the midst horrible generals, unlike grimgrin who pops up a lot! I want to discover why he is so nasty, lemme know.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 10, 2014, 12:32:56 PM
elesh CARRIES ON fucking with the board, and buffs your own creatures.
elesh stops me casting 12/33 of the creatures in my marath deck
and stops me casting 19/37 creatures in my roon deck.
the fact she can attack is a side effect, when she makes your 1/1 tokens kill your opponents 4/4 creatures.


when you cast maelstrom, you also get 2 more free cards. and he's haste, the best version is hammer of purphoros which is 3 mana.
so he's effectively a 7/5 creature with haste for 5 mana, that also brings in 2 more cards. those 3 fatties you just played can attack immediately, due to his haste. tempo advantage

hes 4 cards in one.

card advantage.


I still think rufus should have played the deck, though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 10, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
In fairness he said he would. I just felt like I was in a lose lose situation cos if I won it would be hollow, if that makes sense.

Anyways, rufus mentioned that he is well known as one of the top generals but I had trouble finding him on any lists which was weird.

Bare in mind that he could easily cascade into something kinda useless too. No guarantee of huge guys.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 10, 2014, 01:23:01 PM
if your deck has anything over 8cmc, or useless, you're doing it wrong.

but yes, he might drop a mana dork or utility creature. Still good, though!

Even if you don’t get brilliant creatures, its huge CA because you’ve drawn through those and are now more likely to get something good. It also filters away lands and stuff which you’re probably set with if you’re casting him anyway.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 10, 2014, 03:15:10 PM
also, rufus is more experienced and has played longer, so flat out knows which cards are broken or whatever from sets he played in.

I'm sure Vendilion clique was a key offender in fairy tribal which dominated standard at the time, but if you didn't know that it's easier to overlook.

but if you delve into the value you can see it- a 3 power flyer for 3 mana. quite good. flash, ok excellent. thoughtsieze or card cycling yourself for free. amazing.
3 cards in one.

I tried to use sower of temptation the other day
"oh it's only the same effect as control magic"
yes, but with a free 2/2 flyer. 2 cards in one.

But does that make a card wrong? There are a bombload of excellent cards that do that which we all use. Iroas is a good example of rediculous value. And the zombie captain that rufus used is 3 mana for a guy with death touch. Not bad already. Then he makes the rest of your guys +1. Totally worth 3 mana. Then whenever one of your guys dies he hits opponent for 1. That should be worth at least a mana or two. And he is somehow uncommon.

3 cards in one is not unusual really. Anyhow, I think overall my point is that it sucks spending time making decks only to discover they are evil or whatnot. Not saying that's anyone's fault. I guess I might have to just stick to certain decks that are inoffensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 10, 2014, 03:37:38 PM
also, rufus is more experienced and has played longer, so flat out knows which cards are broken or whatever from sets he played in.

I'm sure Vendilion clique was a key offender in fairy tribal which dominated standard at the time, but if you didn't know that it's easier to overlook.

but if you delve into the value you can see it- a 3 power flyer for 3 mana. quite good. flash, ok excellent. thoughtsieze or card cycling yourself for free. amazing.
3 cards in one.

I tried to use sower of temptation the other day
"oh it's only the same effect as control magic"
yes, but with a free 2/2 flyer. 2 cards in one.

But does that make a card wrong? There are a bombload of excellent cards that do that which we all use. Iroas is a good example of rediculous value. And the zombie captain that rufus used is 3 mana for a guy with death touch. Not bad already. Then he makes the rest of your guys +1. Totally worth 3 mana. Then whenever one of your guys dies he hits opponent for 1. That should be worth at least a mana or two. And he is somehow uncommon.

3 cards in one is not unusual really. Anyhow, I think overall my point is that it sucks spending time making decks only to discover they are evil or whatnot. Not saying that's anyone's fault. I guess I might have to just stick to certain decks that are inoffensive.

that zombie captain is nowhere near the same league we're discussing. He's not card advantage, just a quite good zombie tribal card.

iroas isnt card advantage either!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/lo/basics-card-advantage-2014-08-25


I do think your card radar is a bit off, siby, sometimes you compare cards which are really not comparable, and think things which are blatantly OP are not

Sorry!


maelstrom wanderer was printed in a precon So there was loads of them printed, and he’s banned in modern (ding ding, alarm bells) and he still costs Ģ12 quid, value driven entirely from EDH.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 10, 2014, 07:03:05 PM
Well I did say I didn't understand the cards.

Where'd you good that ban list? The ones I am finding don't have him. I am curious to read up more on his horrificness though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 10, 2014, 10:40:39 PM
Don't worry Siby, I am also card power blind. I honesty didn't think Rafiq was that strong when I built a deck with him.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 11, 2014, 06:28:23 PM
Less embarrassing for you though, you've only been playing a few months. I been playing for years.  :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 12, 2014, 10:20:30 AM
Well I did say I didn't understand the cards.

Where'd you good that ban list? The ones I am finding don't have him. I am curious to read up more on his horrificness though.
my mistake, he's not banned, he's just not modern legal because he was printed only in planecahse then commander, not a "normal" set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 12, 2014, 03:25:58 PM
I mainly took him cos he looked like fun rather than cos I thought he'd beat all your butts.  :-P

His randomness seemed like sometimes it would be amazing, sometimes it would be a big flop. Same reason I love my jelea deck even though it usually falls flat and when it does win it is in spite of her rather than because of her. Same reason I use the hurricanum or fanatics in warhammer. Something different with some random thrown in.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 12, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
Even if his randomness draws bad cards, he's still earning you card advantage
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 12, 2014, 08:14:31 PM
I think you are missing my point there. My point was that I didn't take him for the card advantage in an attempt to waac you guys. I took him because random seemed fun. I'm pretty sure I am not using him to his full potential what with all our restrictions and the fact that I make sub par decks anyhow.

Cannon has been using one of the most hated edh cards for a while, I forget if it is Avacyn or Iona but anyhows, it's not that bad because he hasn't made a disgusting deck with it. He wins some, he loses some. We are pretty friendly players so I'm not sure you would need to worry about maelstrom as much as you think you would.

It comes back to my point of context. I know you didn't like my earlier comparison but that Zombie Lord guy for 3 is pretty amazing in a tuned zombie deck right? We can agree on that. But in a non zombie deck he is ok at best. I think most cards depend on what deck they are in as to their actual real power. Some, like say, primeval titan, sol ring etc are just good in anything.

Some cards have blatantly shifting power depending on what is in the rest of the deck. Eg Populate cards are amazing in an all token deck, tremendous value. But in a non token deck they are entirely useless. Same card, differing power. That is true of a huge amount of cards. Now Maelstrom may still be very good due to his card advantage thing, regardless of what you cards are, but surely even his quality alters somewhat by what is in the rest of your deck. Even if it is just a bit.

Maybe I will play vs cannon with him some time just to see how he does. Maybe against Avacyn. 8 mana commander-off!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 12, 2014, 08:20:52 PM
It's all a bit moot though as I am going to try and go back to abiding by the rules when I play you guys.

I'll save the fun whacky stuff for playing cannon!  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 13, 2014, 01:12:52 AM
Anyone on to play now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 13, 2014, 01:39:32 AM
You missed us! I'd come on but I have work in 7 hours.I am so looking forward to getting sleep again once christmas is over!

Only played one game, with varolz. I like that deck cos it uses all sorts of cards one would never consider, but he does have a habit of getting very big very fast and has super good dodge skills. This time I at least had the sense to wait a turn before casting so I could sac to avoid the inevitable shuffle to deck. I still almost threw it away later but luckily drew some creatures. What I didn't tell you fin is that I started with 7 lands, shuffled two away and drew two more!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 13, 2014, 01:44:32 AM
It wos rancor wot dun it
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 13, 2014, 08:20:32 AM
That's true. Probably could have chump blocked me till your dragons came out otherwise.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 13, 2014, 03:31:02 PM
What about now? Anyone on now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 13, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
Can be!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 13, 2014, 05:20:04 PM
To answer your question cannon,I may not be on again today, got a photo shoot in an hour or two then a housewarming thing so probably pretty crazy! Those were fun games though as usual. Felt like I was in both of them even when pretty behind.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 14, 2014, 05:19:59 PM
So you guys play EDH? Good. Good. Gooood...

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/00/004a044e1927a979dbf090ba65323894381708169d8592afbb7b70100f3e244a.jpg)

Downloading card images now. Soon you will learn to fear me in a game I am actually good at!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 14, 2014, 07:13:37 PM
I'm on now while I watch football if anyone wants to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 15, 2014, 12:53:38 AM
I should warn you syphon. There are additional rules, no cards costing over Ģ10, no infect. That might be it. I think there are a few other cards banned but rufus or fin well remember those better.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 15, 2014, 01:00:18 AM
I should warn you syphon. There are additional rules, no cards costing over Ģ10, no infect. That might be it. I think there are a few other cards banned but rufus or fin well remember those better.

No planeswalkers, no tutoring other than land fetch.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 15, 2014, 11:12:35 AM
That's right.

I knew there was something else.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 15, 2014, 11:44:30 AM
I should warn you syphon. There are additional rules, no cards costing over Ģ10, no infect. That might be it. I think there are a few other cards banned but rufus or fin well remember those better.

Oh. Why not?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 15, 2014, 02:39:58 PM
If you guys want to go gloves off then go for it, and play each other. I’m hardly ever on anyway.

I would appreciate if you kept some gloves on decks for games vs me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 15, 2014, 03:18:24 PM
Well there is rufus too.

Basically syphon everyone hates infect. We play with the cost limit because rufus and fin like to play with their real life decks. No tutoring cos well, that's annoying. No plans walkers for the same reason!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 15, 2014, 03:41:24 PM
We're giant girly boys who don't like to stomp on each others' heads. We play for fun, and we have determined that a lot of those cards take out the fun. Tutoring is annoying and removes the whole purpose of playing a card game in the first place!

You'll find I also get annoyed by "free" cards. Anything that you can play for a net 0 mana or gain mana from playing, like Burning Tree Emissary or that "I steal your creature" card that's basically free. But that's just a personal bias.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 15, 2014, 04:07:50 PM
Ģ10 limit- arbitrary and not perfect, but removes a lot of the worst and most offensive staples.

Infect- a cheap way to win.

No tutoring- lets play 100 card singleton so there is more variance, then add in loads of tutors so there is less variance. That makes total sense.

No planeswalkers- stems from us not using them in standard. Too powerful, albeit less so in EDH.


I also don’t use infinite combos… although rufus did infinite me once!


As I said, if you guys wanna go gloves off feel free.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 15, 2014, 06:34:48 PM
Cannon, how do you feel about sol ring? Pretty much free mana and then huge ongoing advantage...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 15, 2014, 06:41:24 PM
Cannon, how do you feel about sol ring? Pretty much free mana and then huge ongoing advantage...

It's not my favorite, but it's colorless mana. A lot of the "free" cards I don't like do stuff like: "this card costs 5 mana, when it comes into play untap any 5 lands you want". Sol Ring is pretty tame in my opinion. You're right, it's free mana, but it's not free mana AND a 2/2 creature, or free mana AND I take control of your strongest creature.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 15, 2014, 07:19:52 PM
Just wondering. I kinda hate it cos it is just way too efficient. Total no brainer to have it in every deck. And early game it can put you so far ahead of your opponent. Most other mana generators take a turn to set up so it feels like there is a bit of sacrifice. Not so much sol ring
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 15, 2014, 08:56:54 PM
Just wondering. I kinda hate it cos it is just way too efficient. Total no brainer to have it in every deck. And early game it can put you so far ahead of your opponent. Most other mana generators take a turn to set up so it feels like there is a bit of sacrifice. Not so much sol ring

But it only SEEMS like your opponents start with it all the time. I would wager it's less than one in ten games someone gets it out turn one. If it's not out turn one it doesn't really ramp much more than a conparable land fetch card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 15, 2014, 10:30:34 PM
Maybe, but it costs much less. Imagine playing it turn 2, then hitting cultivate. You are potentially on 6 mana on turn 3. That is brutal! And I know it won't happen every game. But when it does, ouch! And it adds so much ramp to decks that shouldn't have ramp.

Anyways, it's not that bad,I just get tired of cards that are pure auto include.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 15, 2014, 10:38:35 PM
I'm not going to play with those girly rules.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/451/085/817.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 15, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
That's okay! There a ton of super serious power gamer randoms who will play with you and let you know exactly why you're doing everything exactly wrong.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 15, 2014, 11:43:12 PM
I'm sure you're an absolute joy to play with.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 16, 2014, 09:00:57 AM
Oh phooey! I was just being facetious. I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to paly with planeswalkers. They barely ave any staying power in EDH. Nor tutors. And what would you count as tutors? Would I be able to scry? I just find it an  extremely strange set of rules. I mean, what value are you going to go with?. Let's say a card  costs 10 pound at one supplier, but costs 7,5 at another. 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 16, 2014, 11:10:21 AM
I don't care too much about walkers, we even discussed possibly letting them in recently so I doubt anyone will go crazy about that.

We try and avoid tutors due to their habit of just allowing you to pay the same cards every game and potentially find that one card that just shuts down your opponent. is purely the ones that able you to deck search that we banned. Scrying or digging through the top cards of your deck is fine.

The cost thing has been a bit of a bone of contention but you can probably get away with just avoiding the obviously crazy value cards for the most part if you don't want to mess with that. That's what me and cannon often do
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 16, 2014, 07:37:40 PM
Anyone going on today? Might be able to pop on there soon...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 17, 2014, 11:49:16 AM
A card from Fate Reforged!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/65/804/200/283/635543482711892246.png)

I like this a lot! Very playable.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 17, 2014, 04:02:15 PM
I will be on for a little while starting .... NOW.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 17, 2014, 06:27:29 PM
I'm on now but I guess I am too late...

Or not! That was the most drawn out game I have played in a while. We both had pretty good defenses locked in and not enough umph coming at them...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 18, 2014, 04:44:56 AM
That game was the absolute worst. First I couldn't get land, and my hand was full of enchants, then I had land, and no creatures, and even if I had creatures to cast your stupid enchants made it impossible to damage you.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 18, 2014, 10:17:01 AM
I'm tempted to put in one of my decks to match up against one of you. But which one? Since you don't like planeswalkers, superfriends is out. My black deck is out since you don't like tutors, red deck also has planeswalkers, maybe blue with Muzzio. Or WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon. I might just do that...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 18, 2014, 12:08:31 PM
Another Fate Reforged card:

Quote
Sandsteppe Mastodon - Rare - 5GG
Creature - Elephant
Reach
When Sandsteppe Mastodon enters the battlefield Bolster 5 (Choose a creature with the least toughness or tied with the least toughness among creatures you control. Put 5 +1/+1 counters on it.)
5/5

Bolster = past version of Outlast?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 18, 2014, 12:36:05 PM
wow, that looks pretty decent.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 18, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
I'm tempted to put in one of my decks to match up against one of you. But which one? Since you don't like planeswalkers, superfriends is out. My black deck is out since you don't like tutors, red deck also has planeswalkers, maybe blue with Muzzio. Or WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon. I might just do that...

Don't rule out just playing a deck with a couple things taken out. Removing tutors isn't too hard unless you somehow found ten or so!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 18, 2014, 05:25:19 PM
I am on now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 18, 2014, 05:36:48 PM
There in a few cannon
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 19, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
Sandsteppe Mastodon + Sage of hours = take another turn.

Flicker the mastodon with conjurer's closet/cheat-eye navigator/Roon of the Rhino Realm = continuous extra turns!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 19, 2014, 12:06:39 PM
thanks for the idea rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 19, 2014, 01:13:58 PM
Boooo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 20, 2014, 03:14:01 PM
Crux of fate is going straight in my blade wing deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 21, 2014, 12:57:31 AM
Just for the record:

Sower of Temptation - 9:40
Massacre Wurm - 3:20

In case you were feeling shenaniganed. Not that sower came out. But I had been setting up wurm all game especially once you went nutso with the tokens. Had another removal for parley girl to try and make it work too but it took oh so long to get more than 4 lands.
 
Oh the plan I was talking about was setting my cards in place so that I could genie wish into the huge leviathon thing. That would have been nasty. Especially as it would have given Wrexial his islandwalk too... maybe it's best that didn't go down... though at some point I am sure you would have condemned it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 21, 2014, 07:36:01 PM
I'm on for a bit now potentially...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 23, 2014, 10:15:30 PM
Magic Santa says Merry Christmas!

(http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/thumb/b/b2/Feldon_of_the_Third_Path.jpg/200px-Feldon_of_the_Third_Path.jpg?version=4796e36fd30dc5e0114cb2fcc7e9fd22)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 24, 2014, 03:06:13 PM
(http://img.aegen.nl/TSB/Goblin%20Snowman.jpg)

I may be on for a lil bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 27, 2014, 11:41:14 AM
Good news everyone! More multi color generals for wedge by the looks of it. Might have allay been mentioned, I forget.

Also, ugin the planes walker is out and he is pretty mean, albeit expensive
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 27, 2014, 06:59:37 PM
yes, rufus said "ho[efully it will mean not all the RUg generals are game breaking bastards" a while ago
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 29, 2014, 09:06:49 PM
Anyone about today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 30, 2014, 02:37:16 PM
I might be on later!

Fate Reforged looks amazing so far. I'm definitely going to go to the prerelease.


Also, this

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/ujehvsbfrf153/en_lw5yaa6hq8.png)

is ridiculous.  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 30, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
I really wish they wouldn't do stuff like that.

On the upside there is a really cool looking replacement for blade wing as a commander in my red black Dragon deck. Quite excited about that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 30, 2014, 10:20:18 PM
I think there's too much lifelink in magic now. It's way too easy to gain life, and it makes for frustrating games. Plus giving all your spells buyback is even more annoying! Jeskai just need a decent EDH general.

The dragon is cool though, yes. There's going to be one for each allied colour pair, apparently. They also said this set has more dragons than any previous one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 31, 2014, 01:03:52 AM
So does helix now get you 6 life back? White red decks with these guys in are gonna be horrible play. Every burn spell has the potential to do double duty.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 31, 2014, 10:57:54 AM
Won't it have to be uwr with that ability?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 31, 2014, 11:43:50 AM
In commander, yes! And maybe it's not that good in standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 31, 2014, 02:00:36 PM
Sorry yes I was thinking modern and such. But there are lots horrible decks in that anyways so it probably doesn't matter bad!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 31, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Yes, modern is already a crazy format!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 02, 2015, 09:33:31 AM
Yes, modern is already a crazy format!
But she is a 2/2, so she will not last that long on the field  :eusa_wall:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 02, 2015, 12:03:02 PM
Fair point.


Here's that new Jeskai general:

(http://s3.gatheringmagic.com/uploads/2015/01/01/Shu-Yun-the-Silent-Tempest.jpg)

Aggro!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 02, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
Not sure how I feel about the new mechanics yet.

Some of the cards just feel like they have too many rules going on and some of the new mechanic titles don't seem to really for what is going on. Prowess is pretty vague. Bolster kinda makes sense though I'm not sure I like it. Manifest, not sure I like the name or the fiddly mechanic.

Maybe they will grow on me. I like the flavor and look cards though. Just feeling a bit of rules overload. Even the non creature spells seem to be option cards which is nice, sure, but might bog things down a bit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 02, 2015, 05:22:16 PM
I might be on tonight!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on January 02, 2015, 07:30:09 PM
I might be on now!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 05, 2015, 03:34:40 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/65/971/200/283/635555318705142481.png)

black c14 deck says hello!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 05, 2015, 03:38:14 PM
Yes, that one is brutal. No drawback!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 05, 2015, 04:05:33 PM
you could even say, depraved
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 05, 2015, 06:34:41 PM
Saw that guy but didn't read the fact it was only opponent. That's quite a bit meaner.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 05, 2015, 09:29:43 PM
I should be on for a bit in an hour or so...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 07, 2015, 10:02:42 PM
I'm on now, just incase anyone is lingering about.

Also, we've already touched on depraved demon and soulfire grand master. Does this one seem a tad super handy to anyone too?

(http://mythicspoiler.com/frf/cards/torrentelemental1.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 09, 2015, 09:59:27 PM
There's a bunch of choose an effect when etb in frf. Fun for roon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 09, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
Bah, Roon has enough fun already.

Ten new commanders in this set!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 09, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
I don't think the blink options are good, but perhaps fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 09, 2015, 10:36:23 PM
Great name, great art!

(http://mythicspoiler.com/frf/cards/douseingloom.jpg)

Unfortunately, only a card for limited.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 09, 2015, 11:55:15 PM
Stat-wise, it's the same as Pharika's Cure, but costing 2B instead of BB. Definitely good in limited!

And yes, good name and art.


I think the full cardlist is up now.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/frf-cig-en


p.s. sorry for declaring I'd lost due to early setbacks, and then winning. Bad habit!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 10, 2015, 01:39:19 AM
You just need to hold of complaining till you've actually lost. Then it'll be fine.  :-P

In fairness at the time I had started well. You didn't know that all the stuff I needed to cast was so reliant on white mana. It was frustrating having the sol ring out and leaving it doing nothing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2015, 12:01:58 PM
I was thinking, "he definitely has a spell to kill my godzilla when it hatches. No way am I going to win." But you didn't, and so I did. Embarrassing!


This might be worth using in some commander decks:

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/ujehvsbfrf153/en_zeokqmabu2.png)

Handy for Derevi!


This dragon seems too cheap:

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/ujehvsbfrf153/en_hbxgs2adus.png)

Ghave wants one!


This one is ridiculous, but also a bit boring:

(http://media.wizards.com/2014/ujehvsbfrf153/en_b0tvibfd9i.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 10, 2015, 03:24:57 PM
I think all of the dragons look broken.

The only thing stopping that might be lack of dragons in some colours?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2015, 03:30:19 PM
Yes, red is the dragon colour. But all of those dragon legends are good even if they're the only dragon you have.

I'm worried that if I go to the prerelease I'll be constantly beaten by dragons, and get annoyed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 10, 2015, 03:34:42 PM
I'm worried about them in edh!

Imagine the red one with the Dragon which makes Dragon tokens.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 10, 2015, 03:38:05 PM
Aggro apocalypse!

I think it would be a boring deck to play though, so even if someone made it they wouldn't use it much.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 10, 2015, 06:22:59 PM
I think all of the dragons look broken.

The only thing stopping that might be lack of dragons in some colours?

I was gonna say the same thing. I sorta feel too like the green ones should be without wings and not flying really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on January 11, 2015, 12:24:07 AM
I'm on now, magically.  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 11, 2015, 12:45:01 AM
Cannon, I'll be on in a few if you're still there...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 12, 2015, 11:02:17 PM
Anyone going on today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 13, 2015, 01:20:08 AM
Thanks for the games! Sorry for suddenly spoiling your victory with Sudden Spoiling! I feel like I was very lucky.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 13, 2015, 02:20:32 AM
Can't really blame you for that. I was on the clock with havoc anyways. Wish I had kept naturalise instead of mycolid or whatever it is called when I discarded but I had no way of knowing that you would have the perfect card to null one and die to the other. I guess that's EDH for ya!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2015, 12:03:25 AM
Hmmm, GCCG sort of has FRF, but also not. The cards are there, and you can get the fake boosters, but they aren't in the collection menu. Sealed should work though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 17, 2015, 12:33:42 AM
Ill try do some sealed thiz weekend!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2015, 11:48:12 AM
Sealed does seem to work. I'm making a deck.

I'm assuming we should do 3 KTK and 3 FRF.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 17, 2015, 01:44:43 PM
Just updated, when I looked in the collection it only had lands. So I went to select display, default, and boom! They all appeared. Worth a shot I'd say.

Anyhow, I am gonna make a sealed deck too incase I run into you guys...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 17, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
I still can't see the FRF cards on the 'default' display. But I can see them in any of the filter settings. Weird.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 18, 2015, 09:32:55 AM
A fun game of edh vs derevi! Shock horror.

 :wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 18, 2015, 11:25:05 AM
Bah, Derevi is always fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 18, 2015, 02:48:55 PM
I made a derevi deck recently to surprise rufus with sometime. Sounds like it will be a pleasant surprise too!

Anybody about?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 19, 2015, 01:36:39 PM
So having played a few games vs rufus and then building a second deck I reckon this is a really interesting sealed set. Really hard to know what use. I ended up against rufus playing a very graveyard deck but part of it wanted to pull stuff out of it and part of it wanted to delve so it was a bit odd in the end...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 19, 2015, 03:01:19 PM
I thought my deck was quite good. Lots of good white creatures. But Rufus just owned it! I got close to beating him once. lol.

I though Manifest was awful, but realise it's just card advantage, so while you might "manifest" a really important non creature, thats the risk you take for card advantage.
New mechanics (including last set), outlast is wank. Sealed probably best place for it and it's still poor. Bolster looks good.


Sealed should be good as you can go 2 or 3 colours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 19, 2015, 03:46:40 PM
I had a solid set of red and black cards, including a lot of removal spells. Good enough to stick to two colours over three, which is a big advantage. But I'll make a new sealed deck for next time!


Manifest is definitely good. At worst, it gives you a 2/2 creature from a card you wouldn't otherwise have had. At best, you get a creature that you can then unmorph. It's even better if you can rig the top of your deck somehow.

Outlast is OK! Provided you have some of the creatures that give abilities to other creatures with counters on.


I feel like this is good:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=391942&type=card)

Bounce your creatures to dodge removal or to reuse ETB effects. While also making an indestructa-cat. And it has power 4 for Ferocious. Solid!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 19, 2015, 03:54:08 PM
manifest might actualy shine in sealed, where a 2/2 is pretty useful, and it's less likely you have a non creature that's crucial to the battleplan.


That is an absolutely incredible card. definitely going in roon. Immense if I had something which gives me flash out, albeit expensive in mana.
It's probably worth going in Marath for removal dodge, and recasting things with one of my "hurt you when enter", but less themetastic so will stick for Roon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 19, 2015, 04:24:50 PM
I found the manifest cards I had pretty handy. I wish GCCG could do the overlays for them though! So we don't just have to look at the backs of magic cards.

Sabertooth is very versatile! I'm going to try it out in some decks.


Also, this doesn't affect us, but treasure cruise is now banned in modern and legacy!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=386705&type=card)

Dig through time, the other delve card draw card, is also banned in modern.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 19, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
I heard those were likely going to get banned, guess it happened...

I am kinda with fin on outlast. I feel like you pay too much for it, both in cmc and the actual activation cost usually. Also would like it more if you could target other creatures.

Manifest turned out to be handy, though I am not totally sold on it yet. It's kinda a luck thing. I had one time where rufus burned what turned out to be a swamp which was great but a couple of times had valuable creatures lost to burn rather than get them my hand. Good if you are going heavy delve though as it gets through cards.

Bolster could be amazing value if you get the right thing to use it on...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 19, 2015, 05:11:32 PM
outlast should have been no tap, I think.

The guys who give everyone with counters could have been made without outlast!

THey probably make some mechanics crap on purpose, like crap rares!


I think with Manifest you shouldnt look at it like that, as sometimes it will hurt you. But it is pure card advantage, so theoretically overall it will help you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 19, 2015, 10:41:07 PM
Abzan were generally considered the most powerful clan in KTK limited! So I don't think outlast is that bad.

Prowess isn't very good in sealed. I'm trying to make a deck, and I don't think I'll be able to trigger it very often.


Quote from: Siberius
but a couple of times had valuable creatures lost to burn rather than get them my hand.

But they are cards you hadn't drawn, and wouldn't have drawn! In the same way that having cards milled doesn't cost you anything unless it causes you to run out entirely.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 20, 2015, 01:00:12 AM
Wouldn't I have drawn them next turn?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 20, 2015, 10:00:48 AM
Yes, but you didn't know you were going to draw those particular cards. They could have been anything. You wouldn't say that shuffling your deck due to an evolving wilds made you lose cards you were going to draw.

The only time it's a real issue is if you have tutors, and are relying on a certain card still being in your library. And if that's the case, don't use manifest!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 20, 2015, 11:24:35 AM
I can't argue with that in a normal game. And mostly it's true in sealed too. Except in sealed you tend to only have two or three bombs. Cards that just are super likely to win you the game. I feel like losing one of then cheaply is more of a problem because they are so often what you rely on to tip the game.

Sometimes you just get on a bad run and can't remove that silly 2/2 flyer which kills you slowly but more commonly it is the Dragon that pushes you over the edge.

So mostly I agree, but I slightly don't in this case...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 20, 2015, 11:33:41 AM
It's just as lost if it's the bottom card on your deck. By manifesting cards, you're making it more likely that the card you want will appear. In a normal game, you won't even see half of your deck.

And since you were playing a deck that could use the graveyard as a resource, you have even less reason to complain!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 20, 2015, 11:44:57 AM
Assuming you don't have graveyard recursion it's not as lost as when it's in your graveyard. It may take longer to get to but you stand a chance of hitting it. And I'm not complaining really, just discussing merits.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on January 22, 2015, 02:24:47 PM
I personally chose Abzan for the prerelease because in all my KTK drafts (I think easily 50 if not more), I found that Abzan is the only clan that consistently does well. Prowess is alright and is quite powerful, but only if you have some sort of evasion. That's why the 2/1 flier with prowess, Jeskai Windscout, is so good. That goes for Riverwheel Aerialists too. And Delve...well, there just aren't that many good Delve cards to choose from. I mean, sure, the deathtoucher zombie is nice, but a 3/5 DT for 8, even with Delve? Sheesh. The 4/4 trample monkey is interesting, but too small to make a difference. Then there's the 3/3 flier with Delve. That's better! Some sort of evasion on it, finally!

Manifest is a tricky mechanic. I personally hate it, because I had bad experiences with it. Played Fierce Invocation at the prerelease in my Abzan deck which had a smattering of red. Guess what card I manifested both times? One of my bombs, Mob Rule. Even with the counters placed on it by Fierce Invocation, I want Mob Rule as a spell, not as a 4/4 colorless creature!

Dash can be interesting, though I've only had one encounter with it. The 3/3 orc for 3B or dash for 2B. It's interesting that it is now its own mechanic, though Viashino Cutthroat is going to be grumpy about that.

Bolster is hilarious. Here's my 1/1 Mardu Hateblade. Just you wait, at end of turn it'll be a 3/3 with deathtouch! Yeah, Bolster is a great thing. That's why I am going to run Dromoka in my Scion deck. :)

Modular cards like Ainok Guide and Defiant Ogre are cool. However, I find that often enough, giving them the counter is more worth it than the other effect.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Manifest is a tricky mechanic. I personally hate it, because I had bad experiences with it. Played Fierce Invocation at the prerelease in my Abzan deck which had a smattering of red. Guess what card I manifested both times? One of my bombs, Mob Rule. Even with the counters placed on it by Fierce

This is kinda what I was trying to say. Logically maybe it makes no difference, but when you manifest the wrong thing, or the right thing that gets blasted as a 2/2, when playing sealed, it hurts!!

I don't think I have used a prowess card yet! Not a fan of it, but it is probably because I err on the side of more creatures usually.

I had that black dash guy. He was pretty good, being able to not only swing, but pop out a little token was tasty. With more of the warrior buffs that are about in this set it would have been even nicer!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2015, 03:05:14 PM
I personally chose Abzan for the prerelease because in all my KTK drafts (I think easily 50 if not more)

50 drafts!  :Ohmy:


I wanted to go to the prerelease but it was full.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2015, 03:40:43 PM
Manifest is a tricky mechanic. I personally hate it, because I had bad experiences with it. Played Fierce Invocation at the prerelease in my Abzan deck which had a smattering of red. Guess what card I manifested both times? One of my bombs, Mob Rule. Even with the counters placed on it by Fierce

This is kinda what I was trying to say. Logically maybe it makes no difference, but when you manifest the wrong thing, or the right thing that gets blasted as a 2/2, when playing sealed, it hurts!!

I don't think I have used a prowess card yet! Not a fan of it, but it is probably because I err on the side of more creatures usually.

I had that black dash guy. He was pretty good, being able to not only swing, but pop out a little token was tasty. With more of the warrior buffs that are about in this set it would have been even nicer!

logically, not only does it not make a difference, it helps you by being CA.

I think if you do use Manifest, you have to make a conscious effort to just not worry about what you "lose" by manifesting.
I don't think I'd be able to (just like self milling), so likely wont use it!


Perhaps I am way off, I think it is probably the best in sealed, where you're less likely to have a plan built around a certain card or two.

I don't think I like it for EDH, or probably any singleton format.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
I could actually see manifest being handy in edh in a graveyard deck, cos whether it pays off or not it gets another card into your graveyard.

In sealed I think the issue me and syphon ran into was that it lost us precious bombs. In normal magic you can afford to lose cards because you have more copies coming but in sealed you often only have one or two cards that are stars and throwing one away hurts!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on January 22, 2015, 06:32:04 PM
I don't think I like it for EDH, or probably any singleton format.

Actually, I am planning to use it in EDH. I have a morph deck under construction, and this is a great way to cheat those cards into play. Also, you should not discount cards like Ethereal Ambush and Write into Being. Especially Write into Being is a great card because it lets you, essentially, scry 2 cards then decide what card to draw next and what to put into play as a morph.

I could actually see manifest being handy in edh in a graveyard deck, cos whether it pays off or not it gets another card into your graveyard.

In sealed I think the issue me and syphon ran into was that it lost us precious bombs. In normal magic you can afford to lose cards because you have more copies coming but in sealed you often only have one or two cards that are stars and throwing one away hurts!

Well, if I had a Lens of Clarity I would've used it in the case of Manifest cards. That would have worked well. Take a peek, then decide "Do I want to manifest this or not?"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 22, 2015, 08:04:01 PM
True! Could one make a deck based on being able to see the top card of your library? I know there are plenty of cards that allow you to do that, including creatures. The question is whether there are enough cards to exploit it by using it to cheat those cards into play, outside of manifest. I'm not really sure on that. I am guessing blue and green would be essential colours though.

I suppose you could also base the tactic on being able to see their top card as you often get the option. Then you could try to filter away their good cards whilst waiting on your snazzy ones...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on January 24, 2015, 03:51:21 PM
Anybody about? Have a sealed deck I haven't used yet...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on January 27, 2015, 12:40:35 PM
True! Could one make a deck based on being able to see the top card of your library? I know there are plenty of cards that allow you to do that, including creatures. The question is whether there are enough cards to exploit it by using it to cheat those cards into play, outside of manifest. I'm not really sure on that. I am guessing blue and green would be essential colours though.

I suppose you could also base the tactic on being able to see their top card as you often get the option. Then you could try to filter away their good cards whilst waiting on your snazzy ones...

There's plenty of stuff to cheat cards into play. Future Sight + Planar Arch springs to mind, for instance. Or a simple Scrying Orb. As you say, green and blue are the prime colors. They are the ones I will use myself. I'm not sure what to use as commander yet, but I'll come up with something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 20, 2015, 11:59:57 AM
I wonder if this is worth a go. Tiny leaders!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/reconstructed/tiny-leaders-big-fun-2015-02-17

It's like commander, except your general and your cards are limited to 3 mana or less. Also, 25 life and 50 card decks.

Downside: Derevi isn't allowed!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 20, 2015, 12:01:43 PM
Aren't there some really dodgy 2 mana commanders already?

looks interesting though. aggro tastic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 20, 2015, 12:04:47 PM
Different things will be dodgy, due to the deck restrictions. X-spells are especially good!

It might be fine to try it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 20, 2015, 12:06:29 PM
better for 1-1 and no commander damage. Might actually be better for us on gccg

Just realised I totally forgot to do any magic this weekend! shit.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 20, 2015, 12:12:39 PM
sygg river guide, too bent?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 20, 2015, 12:15:59 PM
It's not a replacement for normal commander. It's just something else to do. I'd miss all the epic stuff if we changed over.

I don't think we really had an opportunity to play magic! Except maybe when Adam took Ted to the shop.


Quote
sygg river guide, too bent?

Probably not the most fun choice! Merfolk tribal is brutal.


I think some of the ones I've used as commanders (like Jaya or Selvala, or especially Grenzo) would be more suited to this format. I fancy using Yasova Dragonclaw, but I think she'd be trolltastic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 20, 2015, 12:45:01 PM
there are loads of trolls I reckon!

Mikaeus!

either of the Syggs

Does Thalia, guardian of Thraben change the cmc? I would guess no.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 20, 2015, 02:32:10 PM
Probably as many troll leaders as there are troll commanders! I'm sure there are lots of fun ones too. Aleesha from Fate Reforged would be good.

Note that some extra cards are banned, such as skullclamp, strip mine and Edric.


Does Thalia, guardian of Thraben change the cmc? I would guess no.

She does, but it doesn't stop people playing their cards! The three mana limit is just for deckbuilding.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 08, 2015, 08:13:04 PM
Dragons of Tarkir has a lot of dragons!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/68/4/200/283/635611453466389491.png)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/68/61/200/283/635612493875316882.png)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/67/921/200/283/635609488403162189.png)


And the second-ever three-colour planeswalker.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/68/63/200/283/635612497030698793.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on March 08, 2015, 11:29:36 PM
sygg river guide, too bent?

I have a Sygg deck and it's quite stronk.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 10, 2015, 10:11:57 AM
@Cannon,
and he'll be even stronger when comparing only to 3 cmc commanders.


I do like how they seem to be putting a ton of EDH cards into normal sets. IE, all the new elder dragons.
Very wary of their power level. Dromoka looks absolutely broken, and ojutai is very good as well, especially if you can use the bottom of the deck with something (I'm sure there is)

Even that regent is very powerful, and that planeswalker is ridonk
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 10, 2015, 11:11:26 AM
Narset is a planeswalker now too:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_Q21slVTGSa.png)


But things didn't work out so well for some of the other khans:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_hbwolfCGV6.png)

I think Finlay killed Sidisi out of frustration with his EDH deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 10, 2015, 11:17:27 AM
Anafenza is dead too, she's a spirit!



also new keyword, MEGAMORPHIN' MAGIC POWER RANGERSSSSS
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 10, 2015, 11:19:13 AM
Marath likes the look of both his uncommon dragons.
extra mana that doesn't go away
and double +1 counters.

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Enduring-Scalelord-Dragons-of-Tarkir-Spoiler-216x302.png)

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Savage-Ventmaw-Dragons-of-Tarkir-Spoiler-216x302.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 10, 2015, 11:33:40 AM
I'm sad about Anafenza!

'Megamorph' is a fairly daft name.  :icon_confused:


I think this would be handy in EDH (maybe more so than the two you posted):

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_Bd8dRg4FY6.png)

Repeatable mass damage. Ghave would be upset to see him!


I like this art on evolving wilds. It's much better than that weird dividing tree one they normally use.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_h2Ri3ERXO1.png)


Dragon land for dragons.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/68/170/200/283/635615424519726896.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 10, 2015, 04:56:14 PM
Marath wants to turn tree elementals into dragons

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Descent-of-the-Dragons-Dragons-of-Tarkir-Spoiler-216x302.png)

dat art doe

(http://cdn.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Dragonlords-Servant-Dragons-of-Tarkir-Visual-Spoiler-216x302.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 11, 2015, 02:04:39 AM
Can't decide if I like this direction.

Dragons for everyone. Kinda makes them less special somehow.

On the plus side, looks like a bunch of cards that would slot right into my dragon deck and push out useless ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 11, 2015, 11:15:22 AM
Dragons for everyone. Kinda makes them less special somehow.

Siby the dragon hipster!


Maybe you'll like this more:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/68/180/200/283/635615774268231198.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 11, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
Well that's right up my alley!

I don't have a huge problem with the dragons. Just hoping they don't become the in every edh deck thing. Some of them seemed super good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 11, 2015, 12:18:08 PM
it's called elder DRAGON Highlander, and they're releasing 5 more elder dragons, and the set is called dragons of tarkir.

Yes I would imagine there being a SIGNIFICANT uprise in dragon usage in the short term, with a long term settling down of these new commanders into the normal commander panoply, ala the gods.
People will want to try them out, and then some will retain usage. Erebos is a cool utility commander in my black deck.


The set looks reasonably focused on edh itself, which is cool.



The power level does worry me!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 11, 2015, 12:23:34 PM
Hopefully. I just dislike when cards are so good you feel you kinda have to use them. Makes things more stale. But it's always sorta been the case so I'm not suggesting it'd be a new phenomenon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 11, 2015, 02:19:51 PM
from what ive seen power level of set looks very high
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 11, 2015, 03:50:37 PM
I feel as though I should like artifacts that can turn into creatures, but I don't. I was never very keen on the ravnica ones either.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/68/214/200/283/635616653753970285.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 11, 2015, 04:03:00 PM
what are the other sites saying on power level?

I think people thought the last couple sets were a little underpowered in comparison to predecessors
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 11, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
As far as artis that turn into creatures go, that one seems handy though. It's in green so it might come to life eventually and till then just an average mana rock...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 11, 2015, 05:33:04 PM
way too expensive to activate
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 12, 2015, 11:37:42 AM
In edh? Considering there are plenty of mana rocks of similar cost and usefulness, the fact that the dragon is kinda a bonus seems handy to me. For green and white board wipes are a huge threat. This gives you something mean to keep swinging with whilst you restock your hand...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 12, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
yes for edh.

It's not a good mana rock anyway, and the activation cost is too high.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 12, 2015, 12:38:03 PM
The really boring thing about the dragon monuments is that all five of them have the same stats. Still, I might use them in 2-colour commander decks. They aren't good enough for 3-colour.


(http://i.imgur.com/IWFxD9l.png)

Surrak isn't dead or tiny (unlike poor Zurgo the 2/2), but he's become boring. Monogreen haste is unusual, I suppose.

I don't think Sarkhan's time travel has improved life in Tarkir at all. Being ruled over by asshole dragons sounds really unpleasant.



what are the other sites saying on power level?

I think people thought the last couple sets were a little underpowered in comparison to predecessors

Popular wisdom is that the Theros block was relatively weak, but Khans was more powerful. I think the jury is still out on Dragons.

Actually, people are mainly worried about whether there will be a cycle of non-basic lands or not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 12, 2015, 03:47:32 PM
I quite like this:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_aUEBtE4E2o.png)


And, more ridiculously, this:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_bQBA36LQgm.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 12, 2015, 04:07:47 PM
all the commands id seen looked pretty good
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 13, 2015, 11:31:14 AM
I like Atarka's one.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/68/52/200/283/635612329311299592.png)

It's nice to have a 'no gaining life!' effect available without having to waste a card slot on it. The other three commands are useful but a bit dull.


It turns out there are no non-basic lands in this set apart from evolving wilds and the dragon one. Those enemy-pair fetchlands probably won't appear until Battle for Zendikar in October.



Also, I wish this had been in Ravnica, because my Izzet deck really wanted this sort of card:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/68/16/200/283/635611545892627307.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 13, 2015, 10:52:40 PM
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_SfX3SBVe6W.png)

One mana!


(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_ACiO1aAIha.png)

Magikarp!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 14, 2015, 01:34:12 AM
Elder Dragons as Commanders...

(http://mythicspoiler.com/dtk/cards/dragonlorddromoka.jpg)
Seems ok! Lifelink always good. Can't be countered, pretty handy. No spells in your turn. Seems like he dodges a lot of removal which is nice...


(http://mythicspoiler.com/dtk/cards/dragonlordojutai.jpg)
I'm not sure about this guy but I suppose he is alright... ish


(http://mythicspoiler.com/dtk/cards/dragonlordkolaghan1.jpg)
This guy, hmm. Not as good as I'd like for a black red dragon. Haste all round is obviously nice but his other ability, rubbish!


(http://mythicspoiler.com/dtk/cards/dragonlordsilumgar.jpg)
I like this guy. Deathtouch is ok, not amazing. Stealing your opponent's commander or whatnot is pretty mean though. Tasty.


(http://mythicspoiler.com/dtk/cards/dragonlordatarka.jpg)
I really like this guy. Second ability ok, blast some annoying things. But an 8/8 trampling general in the air for 7, seems nifty.


So my own personal bias order of top to bottom...
Black Blue one
Red Green one
White Green one
Black Red one
Blue white one
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 14, 2015, 11:50:16 AM
I feel like Atarka is too expensive for a commander. Or maybe her earlier version (dragons you control get doublestrike when attacking) is a better choice at the same cost.

Slumgar's theft ability has no surprise factor, due to him sitting in your command zone, so it's a bit less useful than it otherwise would be. Also it's annoying! Especially if you made some sort of 'steal everything' theme deck.  :icon_razz:

Kologar's secondary ability might not work in EDH, but he's not a bad deal otherwise.

Ojutai is cheapish and tricksy, but I'd rather include him in a deck than use him as commander.

Dromoka seems like the best of all: strong stats, and a brutal ability that stops all kinds of things.


So, I can imagine making a Dromoka deck, but not really any of the others.


Also, I'm going to the pre-release next weekend! I remembered to sign up in time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2015, 11:44:10 AM
The full card list is out now, by the way:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/dragonsoftarkir

I don't like it as much as Khans. This card is interesting though:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_asPCLEIULH.png)

And this one:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_cExvQMwZ3W.png)

Both for Niv-Mizzet EDH!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2015, 11:30:56 PM
Outrageous double double double attack from Finlay! ::heretic::

Xenagos +overwhelming stampede + surprise Boris charm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2015, 11:27:46 AM
So, I'm going to the pre-release for dragons of tarkir, which is a sealed deck event. You get one 'seeded pack' which contains only cards of one of the five allied colour pairs (matching the five dragon lords). I haven't specified in advance which one I want: so, assuming I can chose any, which would be best?

I'm thinking either red/green or white/green would be good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 18, 2015, 11:36:32 AM
Is it only for dragons? or some packs from khans or frf?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2015, 11:46:40 AM
I think it's one seeded pack of dragons, four normal packs of dragons, and one pack of fate reforged. No khans, which is just as well since all the three-colour stuff would clash!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 21, 2015, 07:41:28 PM
I won the pre-release! I chose Dromoka, and went 2:1, 2:0, 2:0.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 22, 2015, 12:12:55 PM
This was the second pre-release I've been to. The first time (khans), I went in thinking I'd do well. But, as it turned out, I didn't. My deck wasn't very good, and I didn't play aggressively enough.

I arrived at the shop in time to claim the last Dromoka (green/white) pack. I had more than enough green and white cards to stick to two-colour, and even had four rares in my colours. I was especially lucky, in fact, since one of my boosters had two rares (a normal one and a foil), both green. My other three rares were good, but unsplashable (kologan's command (B/R), blood-chin fanatic (BB), and supplant form (UU, from fate reforged).

This is the deck I made:

2 dromoka dunecaster
herald of dromoka
hidden dragonslayer (rare)
territorial roc
sandcrafter mage
dromoka captain
2 misthoof kirin
shieldhide dragon
wardscale dragon
enduring scalelord (G/W)
guardian shield-bearer
ainok artillerist
conifer strider
surrak, the hunt caller (rare)

gleam of authority (rare)
soul summons
silkwrap
epic confrontation
inspiring call
explosive vegetation
sunbringer's touch (rare)

evolving wilds
8 plains
8 forests

I thought this would be a fairly solid. A lot of other people had chosen to splash in a third colour, which I think is a bad idea unless it's for something amazing.

Star players from my deck:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_cYDBAvpeRM.png)

Surrak did a lot of good work. He not only hastes himself for a surprise attack, but he then hastes any creatures you play on later turns. This was especially nice with conifer strider and ainok artillerists, which have power 5 and 4 respectively.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_ZPna2gjtF7.png)

Dragonslayer was my promo card. His ability to kill a large creature decided a couple of games.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_asbSnXZpIi.png)

This card looks bad, but 4/4 flying lifelink is amazing in sealed - the continual life gain quickly puts you out of reach of your opponent. Being able to play him early as a morph and then evolve him later was great.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_fitE7U7GVT.png)

This daft-looking sky goat has a nice combination of abilities. He also helped to disguise the more valuable morphs.


So, as I said, I won 2:1 against a U/W/G deck, then 2:0 against a U/B/W deck, then 2:0 again against G/W/B. I won 6 booster packs!

I was, however, terrible at the dragonfury game:

http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_fitE7U7GVT.png

You had to try to knock down the pieces with your dice. I scored ten on my first go, and only one on my second - I tried to throw it too hard, and it bounced out of the area!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 22, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
Good work! It's amazing how different sealed is. I think some of my favorite cards are from playing draft and how effective they were in that.

It also makes me like sealed/draft cos of the variety. Down side I guess is potential pulling of bad packs...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 22, 2015, 10:34:24 PM
Thanks! I was so happy about winning!  :::cheers:::

Sealed definitely makes you appreciate cards you wouldn't look twice at normally. That kirin doesn't look special at all, but it was a massive help in all my games.

Though if someone gets a super-powered mythic like a dragonlord, it's even harder to deal with than it would be in constructed. I was lucky I didn't run into anything too scary!


By the way, GCCG claims to have dragons of tarkir now, but the cards aren't there for me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 23, 2015, 12:34:17 AM
That kirin has awful art!

You also beat me 2:1 and 2:0, so on a dragons roll!

Well done for winning, I definitely fancy going to one some time :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 23, 2015, 11:01:24 AM
I won't hear a word said against the sky goats!

Maybe we can go to a pre-release together sometime?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 23, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
Ridiculous combo. Two of these:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_OVyJ4Miv8k.png)

Add a counter to one of them, somehow. They then keep adding counters to themselves until you decide to stop!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 23, 2015, 11:52:44 AM
What are the best archetypes in standard at the minute, do you know? Did people go tri-colour?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 23, 2015, 02:23:12 PM
I don't really know what people are playing in standard. Still siege rhino probably. Certainly there will be a lot of three-colour decks, with all the mana fixing there is from Khans.

Some people were trying three-colour at the pre-release, but there's almost no mana fixing in Dragons so it's awkward.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 23, 2015, 03:06:13 PM
was siege rhino dominant when Khans was first out?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 23, 2015, 04:30:43 PM
Yes, the rhino has always been popular. Four mana!

DTK is definitely on GCCG now, by the way. Just keep running the updates until it works!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on March 24, 2015, 02:46:37 PM
Ridiculous combo. Two of these:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_OVyJ4Miv8k.png)

Add a counter to one of them, somehow. They then keep adding counters to themselves until you decide to stop!

Somehow? They're green. Easiest thing in the world.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_VEuIt7XUu5.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_FDsgDn6dwU.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_UrBj8ORjaZ.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_cjMPfxvcIC.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_9sJ0TGUP9W.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/dftyuvbd564776rvf/en_7LRSy258uL.png)




Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 24, 2015, 03:20:25 PM
"somehow" as in "use any method"
not "somehow" as in "it will be hard to do"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 24, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
Yes, there are too many ways to mention!


Breaking news: EDH rules update!

http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17560


No more 'tucking' of commanders. If they would go to the library, they can go to the command zone instead.

Gosh.  :Ohmy:


Though, thinking about it, I hardly ever use tucking cards. I think I use bant charm and chaos warp only. Oh, and sudden disappearance.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 24, 2015, 03:50:48 PM
omg! my blessed bant charm!

might have to ban derevi now rufel!


because it now circumvents all removal.

I understand their reasoning behind it, but all it does in reality is power up the commanders which needed tucking, which they acknowledge is a thing.

If they don't want people using tutors (and they don't) They should just ban tutors like we do!

I don't think it will make it more diverse!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 24, 2015, 03:57:22 PM
No! I love Derevi!  :ph34r:

We don't have to play this rule, of course. Since we already use our own extra rules (no tutors, no poison, no absurd cards that cost a million pounds).

There's a lot of forum rage about it! You can probably imagine.


I think I'd prefer to keep the tucking rule.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 24, 2015, 04:18:16 PM
It makes Oblation work weirdly:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=389619&type=card)

Cast it on your own commander when it's about to die for some reason: you can send it to the command zone, and draw two cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 24, 2015, 04:34:07 PM
not even die, get beetled, or pacified or whatever.


(btw, i was thinking about asking a derevi ban anyway!!  ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic:: )
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 24, 2015, 04:39:11 PM
I would be genuinely distraught at a Derevi ban.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 24, 2015, 05:24:02 PM
should have thought about that before basalt monolithing me in the face!

 ::heretic:: ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 24, 2015, 06:47:22 PM
Marath would need to be banned too!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 28, 2015, 06:03:08 PM
Anyone in for a tinyleaders EDH battle at the eurobash? :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on March 28, 2015, 06:28:33 PM
I'm on now if anyone wants to smash me up
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 28, 2015, 07:23:18 PM
Still there?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 29, 2015, 10:21:59 AM
Anyone in for a tinyleaders EDH battle at the eurobash? :happy:

I haven't made a real life deck yet. I want to try it on GCCG first to see if the format is any good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 29, 2015, 10:40:34 AM
I expect you can make a really dodgy goblin tiny leaders deck!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 29, 2015, 10:51:18 AM
I expect you can make a really dodgy goblin tiny leaders deck!!
Goblins are fun! ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 29, 2015, 11:15:18 AM
Some people say tiny leaders is more like Legacy than EDH, and is a bit boring. Apparently elves and their infinite mana are the best deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 29, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
I would totally play this format though I think for interest sake I'd want to ban tribal goblins elves fairies and maybe merfolk... not sure if they are as bad as the others. Then I reckon it could be very interesting...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on March 29, 2015, 11:58:33 PM
Seems like Speed Commander, and sort of defeats the purpose in my mind. Still, I'll make a deck and we can see if we like it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 30, 2015, 02:18:53 AM
I mainly like the idea of all the different cards it might make pop up. Though I guess stuff like lightning bolt and o-ring will be just as prevalent...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on April 01, 2015, 01:34:43 AM
Anyone on tonight? I'll keep the game open while I do other stuff, so if you get on and I don't immediately respond plz be patient.

Also, here are some broke ass "tiny" commanders.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247234&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on April 01, 2015, 08:13:29 PM
Let's try today. Anyone on today?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 01, 2015, 11:28:18 PM
I might be able to get on in a little bit. Think you'll be about?

My new job means no afternoons anymore!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on April 02, 2015, 12:01:49 AM
I might be able to get on in a little bit. Think you'll be about?

My new job means no afternoons anymore!

I'll leave the application open, so just msg me when you get on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 02, 2015, 12:20:34 AM
Updating my other computer and getting on...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 02, 2015, 10:03:12 AM
I should be on again next week!


Meanwhile, these card sleeves are amazing:

(http://images.magicmadhouse.co.uk/images/products/1369831619-42638300.jpg)

The only good thing about the Greyjoys from Game of Thrones = their squid. But, they cost Ģ6 (!) and come in packs of 50, which is a completely inconvenient number.

Oh, 3.50 on eBay! Maybe I'll get some.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 10, 2015, 02:05:20 PM
Remind me. Why didn't you guys use Magic Workstation?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on April 11, 2015, 02:12:29 PM
Didn't know it existed!

Is it a lot different to gccg?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 12, 2015, 11:14:37 AM
I only used GCCG one time, and wasn't impressed. MWS is avidly maintained, has pictures, and is free. You can also pay to get a license so that you get an even better experience in terms of usability. I am trying to get more Magic people to use it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 15, 2015, 10:20:21 PM
Planeswalker Teferi is so amazing!  ::heretic::

I feel like I should include his island for fluff reasons (and because he can untap it), but maybe it's rubbish.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3576&type=card)

Phasing means it's only around every other turn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Brontes on April 18, 2015, 07:24:47 AM
So Im thinking about starting Magic. What do you guys advice?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
Hi Brontes,

[I'm assuming you don't already know how to play]

Do you know anyone who could teach you to play? That's probably the best way to start. They could lend you a deck to use, and walk you through the game. If you came to the Eurobash, I'd teach you!

Then you could buy one of the preconstructed decks that are available. The 'Event' decks are pretty good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Brontes on April 18, 2015, 11:48:01 AM
Thanks Rufus!

No I don't know anyone who play Magic already. I tried the Magic app for android and I really enoyed the game. Me and a mate of mine want to start with Magic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2015, 12:16:49 PM
OK, if there are two of you starting, you could:

- each buy an 'intro' deck. These are fairly weak decks, but they come with a couple of boosters to customise them, and should play fine against each other. There are five different ones for each new magic set that comes out.

- buy a 'clash pack.' This has two fairly strong decks (using recent cards) that are intended to play against each other. There was one for the 'Fate Reforged' set a few months back.

- buy a 'dual decks' box. These have two themed decks with all sorts of older cards, and are again intended to play against each other. The most recent one is 'Elspeth vs Kiora.' It has some good cards, but apparently the decks aren't very well matched (Elspeth wins more often). Also, it might be a bit harder for new players due to the variety of older cards used.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 27, 2015, 09:34:59 AM
Dragonlord Ojutai is up to 20 quid, from about 3!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 04, 2015, 03:43:26 PM
I'd be thrilled if I opened a Ģ10 (!) modern masters booster and got 40p's worth of Endrek Sahr!

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/mm2_9vgauji43t9a/en_sSooWAyntS.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 05, 2015, 02:32:34 PM
This is in modern masters as rare, instead of mythic as it was originally:

(http://i.imgur.com/kP3UG1G.png)

So it will surely be much cheaper. It would be good for my Daretti/Feldon deck. Die, annoying indestructable 'gods' of Theros!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 09, 2015, 09:17:59 AM
Ridiculous magic forum comment of the week:

Quote
Stop blaming speculators and the secondary market for high card prices.

This is like saying 'stop blaming bankers for the banking crash.'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on May 20, 2015, 12:32:26 PM
The other day my friend told me that SCG is tied to Wizards/Hasbro and that this directly contradicts the statement Wizards repeatedly makes that they don't have a hand in the secondary market. What happens, according to my friend, is that SCG buys up as many copies of a card that looks to be promising as they can so that they drive up the prize and ask whatever they want later. That said, Rufus, can you ask that guy what he DOES think carries the blame for it? I'd love to hear some sort of Aliens did it story.

On another topic:
Are any of you handsome bastards going to the GP in Utrecht in a week?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 08, 2015, 03:02:56 PM
I don't post on that forum (too many annoying people), so I can't ask the guy anything. I wouldn't really want to anyway!

Wizards probably don't have direct links to card-hoarding price-fixers like SCG, but they do seem to be very conservative about reprinting expensive cards. The latest Modern Masters set has a much lower proportion of actual modern-playable cards than people were expecting.

No, I didn't go to the GP. Did you?


Anyway, spoilers for Magic Origins (the last ever base set) are starting. Scry is now an 'evergreen' mechanic (one they will use a lot), which is good. Surprisingly, so is prowess from KTK.

Here's an angry dragon:
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/origins_askdf9aj2399v/en_oiCrCm5i6g.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 11, 2015, 10:44:11 AM
Some people think this art looks dodgy! I can't imagine why...

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/images/daily/EN_cardpromo_SerumVisions.png)


Ignoring the art, this card has been causing a lot of forum rage. It's a FNM promo of a fairly rubbish common that is now worth Ģ10 due to not being reprinted in modern masters 2 or origins, but is in demand for modern because all the good card draw is banned.

This is further evidence that modern is a ridiculous format. It's supposed to be the accessible eternal format (legacy is ruined by the reserve list), but wizards won't reprint the important cards in sufficient quantities.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 11, 2015, 11:58:01 AM
Totally agree with you, Rufus. My friend, whom I went to the GP Utrecht with, played this too. Mainly because there is no good alternative. Well, this or Gitaxian Probe.

I myself went 1-3 at the GP with my Anafenza EDH deck. Trounced one guy who had a homebrew deck, lost match 2 to a better deck and no good draws, match 3 to a jerk who destroyed my lands in the first 2 turns, and match 4 to a critical mistake on my end.

As for Origins...I am rather stoked to see it. But Gideon being from Theros bugs me to no end. Gideon isn't even faintly a Therosian name.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Brontes on June 13, 2015, 06:17:52 AM
Bought the toolkit a few weeks ago and really enjoy playing the game. So i had a few questions, hope you guys can help me out.

- Is there a max land cards you can have in your manapool?
- When you tap too add a land to your mana pool (like elvish mystic) do you get a land card from your deck?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 13, 2015, 10:11:22 AM
- Is there a max land cards you can have in your manapool?

There's no limit to how many land you can have in play, but remember you can only play one land on each of your turns.

If you're talking about the number of lands in your deck: for a 60 card deck, you'll generally want 24 lands.


Quote
- When you tap too add a land to your mana pool (like elvish mystic) do you get a land card from your deck?

I think you're confusing lands and mana. Mana is the energy used to pay for your spells. You mostly generate this energy by tapping land, but you can also get it from other types of card. Your elvish mystic, for example, taps to give you one green mana. This is the same result as tapping a forest. But, the elf doesn't make a forest card.

I think the way they print land cards these days makes it more confusing for new players. Land used to say you tapped them for mana, like so:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=4928&type=card)

Which you can see is the same text as elvish mystic:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=389499&type=card)

So it's easier to understand that they do the same thing.

Unlike the way they do land now, with a big mana symbol and nothing else:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=383244&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 17, 2015, 10:54:53 AM
As for Origins...I am rather stoked to see it. But Gideon being from Theros bugs me to no end. Gideon isn't even faintly a Therosian name.

That's because he used to be called Kytheon!  :icon_razz:

(http://community.wizards.com/sites/mtgcommunity/files/styles/large/public/kytheonheroofakros.jpg?itok=wP8THQLc)

(http://community.wizards.com/sites/mtgcommunity/files/styles/large/public/gideonbattleforged.jpg?itok=KLjqq3n6)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 18, 2015, 03:06:47 PM
Niv-Mizzet approves of Spell Mastery.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/origins_askdf9aj2399v/en_8aH8NLbTL6.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 18, 2015, 03:17:51 PM
is this from the origins stuff?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 18, 2015, 08:34:28 PM
As for Origins...I am rather stoked to see it. But Gideon being from Theros bugs me to no end. Gideon isn't even faintly a Therosian name.

That's because he used to be called Kytheon!  :icon_razz:

(http://community.wizards.com/sites/mtgcommunity/files/styles/large/public/kytheonheroofakros.jpg?itok=wP8THQLc)

(http://community.wizards.com/sites/mtgcommunity/files/styles/large/public/gideonbattleforged.jpg?itok=KLjqq3n6)

You have no idea how pleased I was seeing this. It might sound pedantic, but I'm a real Vorthos.

@Finlay: Yes, young Finlay. A set I'm more excited for than MoMa2015.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 19, 2015, 10:21:32 AM
Origins is looking good. I'm sad that I can't go to the prerelease (I'm busy that day).

This card is quite nice.

(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pia-and-Kiran-Nalaar.jpeg)

I want them in my Daretti/Feldon deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 19, 2015, 10:23:55 AM
it looks quite interesting, when sometimes these sets are not!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 19, 2015, 10:38:10 AM
I'm hoping for some interesting lands!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 19, 2015, 07:14:16 PM
Well, who knows? We might get lands that represent Akros and so on.
By the way, here's a tidbit:

Jace's home plane was in Planechase:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=226529&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 21, 2015, 10:50:04 AM
Do those things roll around then? How odd!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 23, 2015, 07:55:25 AM
I, for one, hope to see Liliana's Raven Man. That said, that we got Kothoped is already somewhat of a treat.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 23, 2015, 12:14:21 PM
He's a funny-looking chap though.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/origins_askdf9aj2399v/en_ioYnyHmAR8.png)

I think his ability is a little risky! But that's appropriate for a black card.

As for the Raven Man, this art from Liliana's story suggests he might get his own card.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/images/daily/cardart_vtntRQapZQ.jpg)

Not that I'd heard of either of these two until that article.


Edit: a Krasis!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/71/754/635706363431911864.png)

I strongly approve of fish lizards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 24, 2015, 10:08:21 AM
This is an interesting one:

(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/ca/9c/ca9c2b4ea1d8a7b511dd7b05bf843c69.jpg?itok=1aYCow6j)

A timetwister with the drawback of ending your turn (though that might not always be a drawback in combination with some effects). Is it a good timetwister variant (time spiral!) or a bad one (time reversal)? Opinion is divided!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 24, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
I think Day's Undoing is weird. Unless you get help from somewhere, you'll always be playing it as a sorcery.
And I agree with your idea, Rufus. It does seem most likely that he will get a card of his own.
What bothers me is that I seem to remember that Lily made a pact with 4 demons, but that her origins story mentions Nicol Bolas as one of the authors of one pact.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 24, 2015, 11:39:45 AM
On magic forums, Day's Undoing is currently in a standoff between 'this card is amazing and if you disagree you're stupid' and 'this card is terrible and if you disagree you're stupid.'  :icon_lol:

That Liliana article still said there were four demons. I did think it odd that old Nicole was involved though, even if he just made the introductions. I still prefer him in his original form as a dragon reading a stack of books.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 25, 2015, 11:55:44 AM
I actually want a tattoo of Nicol Bolas' sigil. To me he's the best villian in all of MTG. How can you beat a 30-millennia year old dragon?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 25, 2015, 09:16:53 PM
Bolas is OK, but Niv-Mizzet is my preferred magic dragon. "(Z–>)90š – (E–NēW)90št = 1"  :icon_exclaim:


News on Origins lands... the enemy-coloured painlands are back. Not very interesting!

Then there's this rather annoying artifact:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/origins_askdf9aj2399v/en_G7iY2B7HW0.png)


This is funny though:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/71/875/200/283/635708316193409381.jpeg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 26, 2015, 09:22:25 AM
My black deck wants that artifact.

That enchantment is mental though! Black can't remove them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2015, 09:55:26 AM
Yes, I was thinking that artifact would be good in mono-black, since you have easy access to life gain and card draw. Though obviously it's best of all with Oloro, the boring life-gaining giant. It would backfire if someone else played this though:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/origins_askdf9aj2399v/en_8NKHRZJ4bS.png)

Archive might be worth playing just for the card draw part. Niv-Mizzet would enjoy double cards.


Black can remove its own enchantments with a few things! Claws of Gix... um... and some others. But no, you shouldn't use it. It might be fun in a blue/black deck where you could give it to someone else after using the top three options.  :icon_lol:

I like the way it represents a demonic pact as something that doesn't really give you much and then makes you lose. That's pretty much how it goes for demonologists in WFRP.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 26, 2015, 10:20:33 AM
yeh! if the buffs were really good, and say, helped you win in 3 turns, then maybe! it's so bad!!!!

Archive is absofruitly worth it for card draw. double card draw? insane. Combos incredibly well with Muzzy Izzet surely. all those "discard 7 and draw 7 cards". mental.

I don't like it because it's a "why would I NOT put this in my deck"- for most EDH decks (Don't think Marath wants it, but Roon and Monoblack certainly).

my monoblack especially likes it because it has a lot of draw, a lot of pay to draw (meaning you get double benefit for paying) and some lifegain to mitigate the pay to draw which I put in on purpose.

it looks like they're making this a really fun set, as the last one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 26, 2015, 11:36:57 AM
Tainted Remedy is the bees knees if you combo it with Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood. You are never going to run dry everrrr!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2015, 11:40:45 AM
Pact is story-tastic though!

Yes, archive is too much of an auto-include for EDH. Time Spiral: 14 cards! I'll probably need to buy one, unless it's expensive.


Reprint alert! This is a good card, but those Bant lions look so stupid. It looks exactly as ridiculous as most minatures in Warmachine:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/71/887/200/283/635708743877855939.png)



Quote from: Syphon
Tainted Remedy is the bees knees if you combo it with Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood. You are never going to run dry everrrr!

Scary!  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 26, 2015, 11:43:49 AM
I want to ban you form using it, and then use it in my monoblack.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2015, 11:45:40 AM
Ha! No.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 26, 2015, 11:47:30 AM
I can't decide if I want to use it enough that it would outweigh how annoying it is for muzzy izzet (see, the titans)...  ::heretic:: ::heretic::

Maybe we could put it in one deck each and not just in all the decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2015, 12:00:10 PM
It can go in all my decks, and in none of yours. Standard rufus rules.  ::heretic::

I think it's actually best for Daretti, since it makes his +2 ability into 'discard 2, draw 4.' Red needs cards! But yes, very good for Muzzy too.

It's pre-ordering at Ģ6 though, so until it drops I doubt I'd buy one.

Day's Undoing is preordering at Ģ17! There's no way it won't crash.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2015, 12:21:43 PM
Also, this week in 'absurd posts on MTG Salvation':

The thread is about card-selling sites that send out damaged cards that are supposed to be near-mint. One person posted this in response:

Quote
I buy cards brand new (in booster packs) so I don't have too much sympathy. If you're paying someone else to sort through packs for you and get you only particular cards that you want, they can get damaged along the way. Not all people are super respectful/careful/delicate with this stuff, that's why I only buy cards brand new.

Yes, those sites are just doing people favours by selling them cards. They totally aren't businesses that need to accurately describe the condition of the cards they sell!

If a card isn't near-mint, you can't charge for it as if it is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 26, 2015, 12:25:04 PM
will it drop, or is it playable in other (stupid) formats?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2015, 12:33:09 PM
will it drop, or is it playable in other (stupid) formats?

I don't think archive is likely to turn up in modern or legacy decks, and it probably won't see much standard play either. I expect it will mainly be in demand for EDH and casual decks. But that's also true of Doubling Season, and that's super-expensive.

I'd imagine it will drop initially, and then go up again over time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 26, 2015, 02:45:01 PM

Reprint alert! This is a good card, but those Bant lions look so stupid. It looks exactly as ridiculous as most minatures in Warmachine:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/71/887/200/283/635708743877855939.png)



(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg88/nottsfootballfan/Mobile%20Uploads/bant.png)

!!!

!!!!!!!

!!!!

111 ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic:: ::heretic::

!!111!!11  ::heretic:: ::heretic::

Bant lion warmachine sigmarine confirmed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2015, 03:24:26 PM
I wish I hadn't posted that now! I feel like I caused this!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 26, 2015, 07:58:44 PM
Finlay, Rufus, if you find yourselves in an afterlife when you next wake up, it'll probably have been my fault. You two speak heresy!

That Demonic Pact is also hilarious by the way, because you can give it to others. As far as my friends and I could tell, if you manage to pawn it off before you have to choose losing, the other player who at that time owns it has to make the last choice.

By the way, you should get Magic Workstation. That way you can play with me and cry when my dragons demolish all you hold dear and all that you don't besides.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
Finlay, Rufus, if you find yourselves in an afterlife when you next wake up, it'll probably have been my fault. You two speak heresy!

Do we? About what? Confusing!


Quote
By the way, you should get Magic Workstation.

We already use GCCG. Why is magic workstation better?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 27, 2015, 05:34:21 AM
Because I use it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Brontes on June 27, 2015, 06:05:47 AM
Thanks Rufus I understand now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 27, 2015, 12:43:51 PM
And the Magic Workstation crowd is bigger too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 29, 2015, 11:11:50 AM
Brontes: you're welcome!

Quote from: Syphon
And the Magic Workstation crowd is bigger too.

Is magic workstation free?


More origins stuff:

Another anti-blink/anti-necromancy/anti-tokens card (cantrip instead of the 2/2 from containment priest):
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/71/947/635711408703591161.png)

Though again, this is both anti-Roon and pro-Roon, if you blink other people's stuff and then cast this!


And the latest ginormous spell that only gets used in commander:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/71/948/635711449337328559.png)

You still get to draw a card for each token creature, even though they vanish after going to the library. Ghave!


Edit: MTG salvation forum post about the white spell above:

Quote
Thanks wizards. Ruining magic has always been your top priority.

 :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 30, 2015, 10:44:46 AM
And the Magic Workstation crowd is bigger too.
Is it more userfriendly then GCCG?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2015, 10:45:49 AM
And the Magic Workstation crowd is bigger too.
Is it more userfriendly then GCCG?

GCCG isn't that hard to use!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 30, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
And the Magic Workstation crowd is bigger too.
Is it more userfriendly then GCCG?

GCCG isn't that hard to use!
In my mind it is!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2015, 10:55:56 AM
I'm not sure why!

Have you tried playing a game against someone?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2015, 11:49:09 AM
Also, this is cool:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/71/967/200/283/635711700066493788.jpeg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 30, 2015, 11:51:20 AM
really good ability, but 5 mana and an artifact.

Black hates it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2015, 12:02:54 PM
It might be a bit expensive, but at least it taps for mana!

I wonder if my Daretti deck has enough red spells for the goggles to be worthwhile.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on June 30, 2015, 12:29:38 PM
Not if your Daretti deck is as it came out of the box. If you tweaked it like I did (or rather, I made the deck then added Daretti as a possible commander afterwards) then there just might be enough oomph to warrant it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2015, 04:12:16 PM
It's based on the precon, but I've changed quite a few cards. But it probably doesn't have enough spells I'd want to copy. I might try it with Niv-Mizzet, but I already tried the Mirari there and didn't like it.

I need a Jaya Ballard deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 30, 2015, 04:27:24 PM
can you post a deck list syphon?

Do you make really gross decks?

the amazing multiplayer games of EDH in belgium ruined me, I don't want to play 1vs1 on clunky gccg anymore!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 01, 2015, 08:58:05 AM
Attack of the racist Lorwyn elves!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/72/44/635713033959216227.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 01, 2015, 05:44:25 PM
can you post a deck list syphon?

Do you make really gross decks?

the amazing multiplayer games of EDH in belgium ruined me, I don't want to play 1vs1 on clunky gccg anymore!

If ye be wanting a decklist, ye best be looking underneath.


Commander can be either Feldon, Daretti, or Kurkesh.
The order of this list is how the pile happens to be ordered:

Krark-Clan Ironworks
Solemn Simulacrum
Precursor Golem
Urza's Mine
Great Furnace
Etched Champion
Triskelavus
Traveler's Amulet
Brittle Effigy
Basalth Monolith
Dreamstone Hedron
Trash for Treasure
Lightning Greaves
Throne of Geth
Liquimetal Coating
Shimmer Myr
Furnace Celebration
Tomb of the Spirit Dragon
Nevinyrral's Disk
Pristine Talisman
Artillerize
Buried Ruin
Krak-Clan Stoker
Ruthless Invasion
Hellkite Tyrant
Ogre Geargrabber
Cranial Archive
Urza's Tower
Whipflare
Voltaic Key
Contagion Clasp
Howling Mine
Iron Myr
Burnished Hart
Bosh, Iron Golem
Unwinding Clock
Mycosynth Wellspring
Forgotten Cave
Expedition Map
Krark-Clan Engineers
Reforge the Soul
Strionic Resonator
Swiftfoot Boots
Wayfarer's Bauble
Scarecrone
Darksteel Forge
Slag Fiend
Epochrasite
Summoning Station
Shrine of Burning Rage
Goblin Welder
Urza's Power Plant
Scrap Mastery
Caged Sun
Blinkmoth Urn
Rings of Brightheart
Ichor Wellspring
Urza's Blueprints
Hellkite Igniter
Will-Forged Golem
Myr Incubator
Kuldotha Forgemaster
Flamekin Village
Relic of Progenitus
Copper Gnomes
Darksteel Citadel
Contagion Engine
Ring of Three Wishes
Otherworld Atlas
Phyrexia's Core
Scrapyard Salvo
Trading Post
Barrage Ogre
Lux Cannon
Mimic Vat
Darksteel Ingot
23x Mountain
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 01, 2015, 09:40:08 PM
It needs more thopters!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/140/624/635713404290906193.png)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/140/623/635713404254005134.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 02, 2015, 01:02:19 PM
My Muzzio deck will get all the upgrades for Thopters. Or I might make a THIRD artifact deck headed by Jhoira who will suspend everything and then suddenly ARTIFACTS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 02, 2015, 01:17:42 PM
That sounds like a good plan!

Nice decklist, by the way, though I don't recognise all the cards (probably ones from the scars of mirodin block). Do you find the Urza lands useful? I'd have thought they'd hardly ever show up at once.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 02, 2015, 03:00:13 PM
This:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/origins_askdf9aj2399v/en_Aqho1AhimD.png)

with planeswalker Teferi. Gain control of up to four creatures with his untap ability!  ::heretic::

I'm getting this card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 02, 2015, 03:21:18 PM
That sounds like a good plan!

Nice decklist, by the way, though I don't recognise all the cards (probably ones from the scars of mirodin block). Do you find the Urza lands useful? I'd have thought they'd hardly ever show up at once.

I have Expedition Map + a variety of shenanigans to get lands. Expedition Map + Welder is a great early combination to get your necessary lands.
That said, I'm totally going to look for a spot to play this.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ori/cards/foundryoftheconsuls.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 02, 2015, 03:27:04 PM
This:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/origins_askdf9aj2399v/en_Aqho1AhimD.png)

with planeswalker Teferi. Gain control of up to four creatures with his untap ability!  ::heretic::

I'm getting this card.

ROOOOOON

(although teferi is just better at it, so i'll just end up in the sidisi/ghave situation again)

i'm putting the land that give you creatures back in all decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 02, 2015, 03:57:25 PM
ROOOOOON

(although teferi is just better at it, so i'll just end up in the sidisi/ghave situation again)

i'm putting the land that give you creatures back in all decks!

It doesn't work with Roon's ability! The creature will be exiled and then return to its owner. But I suppose it would work with some of the other cards you have.

Which land?


Quote from: Syphon
I have Expedition Map + a variety of shenanigans to get lands. Expedition Map + Welder is a great early combination to get your necessary lands.

Ah, I suppose that would work sometimes. I should probably get a map.

I'm not sure I like the thopter foundry.

Looking through your decklist, I like the myr that gives artifacts flash. I might get that one. Rings of Brighthearth and Scarecrone are absurdly expensive to buy though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on July 03, 2015, 08:55:03 AM
Quote from: Syphon
I have Expedition Map + a variety of shenanigans to get lands. Expedition Map + Welder is a great early combination to get your necessary lands.

Ah, I suppose that would work sometimes. I should probably get a map.

I'm not sure I like the thopter foundry.
I recently started playing the urza's lands. More for fluff then practical, but it can come in handy lots of mana.
I will try the thopter foundry, not so sure it will work that great... But it is a fluffy land ;)

This is the list I'm running at the moment: http://deckbox.org/sets/1016430 (http://deckbox.org/sets/1016430)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 03, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
It's interesting to see your list, Novo! I'm not sure if we were justified in hating you out of that game or not... but after kiki-jiki-gate last year, we didn't want to take the chance. Though I say this as someone who did cyclonic rift => time spiral.  ::heretic::

Sensei's durdle top is a really ridiculous price. That stupid, boring card needs a reprint!

Oh, and you don't have many mountains to trigger valakut!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on July 03, 2015, 12:00:28 PM
It's interesting to see your list, Novo! I'm not sure if we were justified in hating you out of that game or not... but after kiki-jiki-gate last year, we didn't want to take the chance. Though I say this as someone who did cyclonic rift => time spiral.  ::heretic::

Sensei's durdle top is a really ridiculous price. That stupid, boring card needs a reprint!

Oh, and you don't have many mountains to trigger valakut!
No problem, I'm over it (sort of, just wait for next year ;) )
I know it isn't the strongest list out there, but I'm having good fun with it :) Same like with my Uril list, which is great fun (but only in 1vs1).
Valakut never did much in previous versions with more mountains. But everytime people see it, they use there land destruction on it. So it protects my other, "more" usefull stuff.
Sensei's top is indeed very expensive, but can be usefull. But like most of it, people fear it and won't let is stay on the battlefield for very long.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 03, 2015, 04:10:12 PM
Okay, so here I am. I'm going to get GCCG. But you need to remind me of your house rules when we play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on July 18, 2015, 07:15:59 PM
Modern Affinity Deck complete!  :Ohmy:
Nect Legacy Affinity! :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2015, 11:21:44 AM
Modern Affinity Deck complete! 

That sounds expensive!

I don't see the appeal of modern. The card prices are ludicrous.


Quote from: Syphon
I'm going to get GCCG

Oh! Good.

GCCG has origins now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on July 24, 2015, 09:40:12 AM
Modern Affinity Deck complete! 

That sounds expensive!

I don't see the appeal of modern. The card prices are ludicrous.



That is why it took me a while before it was complete.
Thanks to some good pulls from my Modern Masters 2015 box, was I able to trade a lot.
Also Pucatrade and Deckbox helped me a lot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 25, 2015, 06:31:13 PM
Just did a MTGO Origins prerelease. It still has to start but here is a taste:

1 Kytheon, Hero of Akros -> FOILLLLLL
1 Topan Freeblade
1 Consul's Lieutenant
4 Stalwart Aven
2 Suppression Bonds
1 Kytheon's Irregulars
2 Knightly Valor
2 Patron of the Valiant
1 Sentinel of the Eternal Watch
1 Gideon's Phalanx
1 Ampryn Tactician
1 Tower Geist
1 Ringwarden Owl
1 Separatist Voidmage
1 Thunderclap Wyvern
1 Knight of the Pilgrim's Road
1 Veteran's Sidearm
1 Evolving Wilds
9 Plains
1 Plains
1 Island
5 Island
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on July 27, 2015, 07:07:32 AM
And how did you do it?

I played a Magic Origins draft last FNM.
I went with a red/white sligh deck.
I came with 3 others at the third place. But the dice roll placed my 5 and Novogordfairy 3 :eusa_wall: (Stupid dice).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 27, 2015, 02:06:47 PM
2-2. Every opponent had a PW that was better than mine.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on July 28, 2015, 03:22:08 PM
I am sick today, so I think I will sit on gccg. I haven't played in a while.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 28, 2015, 11:32:16 PM
I am sick today, so I think I will sit on gccg. I haven't played in a while.

Thanks for the games! Hope to play again soon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Gankom on July 29, 2015, 12:40:14 AM
Hey guys I have a question for you.  I use to play magic a lot more 8-10 years ago give or take, but it's been about that long since I bought any cards. I'm going to be moving and my friends in the new area play a lot, go to tournies and what not. I still have my cards from that time period, but I'm curious if a deck built with those cards could hold it own at all. I'm not worried about being competitive but could I still build a solid deck without getting to many new cards? Or has everything moved on enough that it would just get destroyed?

I know there's a good few new mechanics, and I'm starting to read up on them again. The set released recently based on the greek myths has really caught my interest.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 29, 2015, 09:36:54 AM
in general creatures are better now, spells were better then.

the Theros set was not that great really, I don't think it was particularly well received.

EDH is better than standard anyway :P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 29, 2015, 10:31:16 AM
Which were the main sets you had cards for, Gankom? If you're talking about Time Spiral/Kamigawa/Ravnica, then your cards will be a little weaker on average than cards in recent sets. But if you're talking about Lorwyn/Alara/Zendikar, then on average they'll be stronger. Over the last couple of years, the overall power level of the cards has decreased a little.

In any case, if you're talking about casual games, you should be able to make a decent deck with what you have. For tournaments you obviously need the most powerful cards (and for standard-format tournaments all your cards have to be from recent sets).

As Finlay said, EDH/Commander is a great format for making use of older cards.


Quote
the Theros set was not that great really, I don't think it was particularly well received.

It sold very well, apparently. And it's fine! The theme is well done and there are plenty of interesting cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 29, 2015, 11:35:34 AM
It sold very well, apparently. And it's fine! The theme is well done and there are plenty of interesting cards.

You tell that to someone who, for the hundredth time, pulled a hundred-handed one. I swear, he's like Tromokratis and, for my friend and I, Gaea's Revenge. I think I've got 5 revenges now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 29, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
I like hundred-handed one! And Tromokratis.

I don't buy boosters though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 29, 2015, 11:50:28 AM
I buy lots. I only lack 50 cards from Magic Origins, one of the best sets in recent history.

But we make it fun: we organize booster battles. You get 3 boosters, take out the token and land, and shuffle that bitch.
You draw one card a turn, can play infinite spells, have infinite mana, (but usually up to 5 times activations of things like Volcanic Rambler) and have 30 life. It's really fun, because it's a way to play limited Magic without needing a host of players or a lot of time.

Also, they are decent cards, but you don't want 6 of them. I'd rather have a rare that I don't have yet, even if it's only worth 20 cents. I am a collector, you see.

My complete sets: Lorwyn, Coldsnap, Alara block, Onslaught block, Theros block, Return to Ravnica block, Scars of Mirrodin block, Innistrad block, Tarkir block...

You know what's a complete failure to deliver? Planechase's upkeep. Don't get me wrong, the entire thing is AWESOME. But it lacks continued support. How hard would it be to print one plane extra for the prerelease of a new block's first set?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 29, 2015, 11:54:52 AM
I was super hyped for the mythology theme, but it just never got me. I didn't really like the mechanics and don't think it led itself well to sealed games or standard. For me anyway!

I think I use some of the cards in EDH though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Gankom on July 29, 2015, 11:21:44 PM
I'm not sure what sets my cards are from, I sort of remember them being from several over a few years. Sadly their packed while I move locations so I'll check when I get them out. It's good to hear that power level hasn't fluctuated completely. Is there a good site to catch up on stuff like EDH or really just the wizards of the coast website?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 30, 2015, 11:07:40 AM
Lots of sites. Magic Salvation has a lot of articles on whatever you want.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 30, 2015, 11:10:26 AM
"command tower" on the wizards website is pretty good, although I can't navigate round their website.

there are absolutely millions of articles and sites on edh, decks, theory, etc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 30, 2015, 02:02:12 PM
This site explains the rules for EDH:

http://dragonhighlander.net/rules.php



Quote from: Syphon
You know what's a complete failure to deliver? Planechase's upkeep. Don't get me wrong, the entire thing is AWESOME. But it lacks continued support. How hard would it be to print one plane extra for the prerelease of a new block's first set?

Yes, I quite like planechase but don't have any. They should do another set.


Quote from: Finlay
I think I use some of the cards in EDH though.

Such as your commander, Erebos!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 30, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
I've got some gods in all my decks in fact!

I like the gods a lot actually, after just insulting the set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on July 30, 2015, 03:53:18 PM
I've got all planes from Planechase :) And tonight, I will figure out how to use GCCG or whateve rit was called again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 03, 2015, 04:07:32 PM
New eldrazi:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/images/daily/EN_jkt2vsve7u.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 03, 2015, 04:12:56 PM
What's the next set all about?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 03, 2015, 04:19:28 PM
Back to zendikar - fighting the eldrazi again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 03, 2015, 04:33:18 PM
So stuff to power up marath, roon and derevi! More jund commander!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 03, 2015, 04:34:31 PM
Actually that's alara isn't it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 03, 2015, 04:43:01 PM
Yes, that was alara. Zendikar is the landfall one.

The best thing to come out of zendikar was Lorthos the Tidemaker!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 03, 2015, 07:18:46 PM
I think I unfairly dislike zendikar after getting Noibn'd by Eldrazi!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 03, 2015, 09:14:34 PM
Annihilator is an obnoxious ability. This guy doesn't have it, so perhaps none of the new ones will.

I'm not that keen on zendikar either. I especially don't like those full-art lands everyone seems to love!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 03, 2015, 10:02:49 PM
Noibn combod an Emrakul on me early.

They just look wrong to me, I can't tell what each one is meant to be!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 03, 2015, 10:42:12 PM
Emrakul is ridiculous. I'm glad he's banned in commander.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on August 04, 2015, 09:59:09 AM
Emrakul is ridiculous. I'm glad he's banned in commander.
Indeed, the flying spaghetti monster...

I hope some new happy little goblins come from Zendikar :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 04, 2015, 10:19:52 AM
I hope some new happy little goblins come from Zendikar :)

Goblin guide needs a reprint! Ģ25?  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 04, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
I just want some more multicolour legends!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 04, 2015, 01:54:30 PM
I don't think the first Zendikar block had any!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 04, 2015, 03:17:27 PM
It had Wrexial...*weeps*
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 05, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Was he the only one? How odd.


Why do people keep asking for Library of Alexandria to be unbanned in commander? It costs 300 quid now, and it's not even legal anywhere except vintage (a format that presumably is only played with fake cards, if it's played at all).

What kind of fool would pay that for a card?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 05, 2015, 12:40:55 PM
shocklands have gone cray expensive.
Was I stupid to expect a price drop after standard? did I just wait too long?

are all the decent duals cray expensive in popular legacy/modern colours? The khan's blue black land is 13 quid!

I think I have a red white pain land.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on August 05, 2015, 12:43:03 PM
Was he the only one? How odd.


Why do people keep asking for Library of Alexandria to be unbanned in commander? It costs 300 quid now, and it's not even legal anywhere except vintage (a format that presumably is only played with fake cards, if it's played at all).

What kind of fool would pay that for a card?
Maybe one of the 14 persons bidding for this black lotus. http://www.geek.com/games/black-lotus-magic-the-gatherings-most-famous-card-sells-for-27302-1577939/ (http://www.geek.com/games/black-lotus-magic-the-gatherings-most-famous-card-sells-for-27302-1577939/)

Can't you play vintage on MtGo?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 05, 2015, 12:46:50 PM
you have to buy cards on MTGo as well.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 05, 2015, 01:34:12 PM
shocklands have gone cray expensive.
Was I stupid to expect a price drop after standard? did I just wait too long?

are all the decent duals cray expensive in popular legacy/modern colours? The khan's blue black land is 13 quid!

I think I have a red white pain land.

I think the shocklands reached their low point only a few months after RTR was released, due to the huge number of people buying boosters and then selling the cards. They've crept up since as the supply has gone down.

The Khans fetches also reached a low point a while back, and are on their way up again. Even the green/white one, which is in a precon deck together with several other high-value cards, is now averaging 10 quid rather than the 8 it was a few months ago. Everyone is expecting a reprint of the enemy fetchlands in Battle for Zendikar, and there will probably be a magic riot if they don't appear!

Enemy painlands have just been reprinted again, so are fairly cheap. I don't like them much though.

The Theros temples are cheapish now, and will drop further when they rotate out.


Quote from: Novogord
Maybe one of the 14 persons bidding for this black lotus

All idiots!  :icon_razz:

You can do vintage on GCCG for free, but it's a ridiculous format.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 05, 2015, 02:04:40 PM
I might buy some temples when it rotates out although I never really liked them. I'm probably underestimating scry1.

Should have bought some shocklands! They wont be reprinted for ages.

the fetchlands were expensive even when khans was right out, so I never really considered getting them. but I think i saw most shocks around the Ģ2 mark!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 05, 2015, 02:15:25 PM
The scry 1 is nice. They're definitely worth it for two-colour EDH decks. In three-colour, I think it's hard to fit them in when there are so many better options.

With the new block system, shocklands might get reprinted sooner since we'll be getting two blocks a year. Return to Return to Ravnica!

Shocks never went below 5 quid, as far as I remember. Maybe the blue/white one was down to 3ish after being in a precon. If they'd ever been 2 I'd have bought loads!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2015, 08:22:22 AM
Full art basics confirmed :(

And no fetch lands but a new cycle of rare lands.
Enemy colour man lands?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on August 06, 2015, 08:54:12 AM
Full art basics confirmed :(

And no fetch lands but a new cycle of rare lands.
Enemy colour man lands?
The "original" man lands are also from Zendikar, which can be fun!
Full art basics are hopefully a little more like the ones from the Unhinged series.
No new fetch lands will be a expensive disaster, or maybe they will make mono colored fetchlands?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2015, 10:10:55 AM
No fetchlands? In Zendikar? Rage!  ::heretic::  A lot of people will be annoyed. But I suppose the idea is not to have all ten fetchlands in standard at once. Maybe we'll get them when Khans rotates.

Enemy manlands would be fun I suppose.


I'm excited about C15 though! Enemy-coloured decks! I would definitely want Izzet, Simic and Orzhov. I have high expectations after the C14 decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2015, 11:03:33 AM
people were complaining standard mana is too slow with ETB duals, but I guess all the fetches speeds it up too much.

Man lands are crazy expensive now! so I'm pleased they're doing new ones.
I don't like the full art lands at all, but doesn't really matter. I find it hard to tell what they are.

what were the other ones, boris and golgari?

I maybe want to buy them all, although I don't like us having the same precons, rufus, because I just get jealous and want to copy what you're using.
I feel like I can't appropriate Izzet or Orxhov from you! Although I do want to make an izzet EDH deck

Don't really want to make a Boris EDH deck but the cards might be good for Marath.

I have been thinking about making a golgari deck for dredge/sac. So maybe i'll buy those 2 plus Simic because Simic were my favourite from RTR (even though evolve didn't REALLY work)




Or maybe i'll just buy them all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 06, 2015, 08:06:07 PM
Finlay, if you want the fetches, I have a few lying around I'd be willing to trade. At the very least I have a bloodstained mire.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2015, 08:13:06 PM
Thanks for the offer, but I don't particularly want them and have basically nothing to trade.

I dint buy boosters, just my edh decks from trader websites
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 06, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Well then you can have it as a gift.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2015, 09:55:05 PM
This is interesting (in the C15 announcement):

Quote
experience counters will make your commander grow in power during the course of each game.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/announcing-magic-gathering-commander-2015-2015-08-05

Hmmm! I wonder if it's a 'commander comes back stronger after dying' mechanic, like Marath and Prosh from C13? Or like the level-up mechanic? Or something else?


Quote from: Finlay
Man lands are crazy expensive now! so I'm pleased they're doing new ones.

Well, the blue/black and blue/white ones are. The red/black manland is Ģ1!


Quote
I maybe want to buy them all, although I don't like us having the same precons, rufus, because I just get jealous and want to copy what you're using.
I feel like I can't appropriate Izzet or Orxhov from you! Although I do want to make an izzet EDH deck

I already have one Izzet deck, but I still want the new one!

You definitely shouldn't base your buying decisions on which decks I get!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2015, 02:19:29 PM
argh, ted got into my EDH boxes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2015, 02:33:48 PM
Oh no!  :Ohmy:

Did he wreak havoc?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2015, 02:35:25 PM
a reasonable amount, then he wouldn't let me put them back!

Will have to go through and sort them again, as I had left some cards i'd cut from the decks in the box (but in a way I could tell what my 99 are).

hopefully none have gone, it was Erebos too which has the most expensive cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
What if he ate the cabal coffers!  :ph34r:


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=5115&type=card)

 :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2015, 02:48:49 PM
Erebos! whip of Erebos!

Ted ALWAYS attacks each turn if able!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2015, 03:45:53 PM
Ha ha, he certainly does!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 07, 2015, 04:45:31 PM
Finlay, you are weird. I offered you a free bloodstained mire and you didn't reply.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2015, 04:52:35 PM
well, according to MCT they're 8 quid! Surely you can sell or trade it. I also don't have any decks that are in those colours at the moment.
A very kind offer but I felt bad taking you up on it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 08, 2015, 11:57:18 PM
New magic rule: Finlay isn't allowed to win!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2015, 09:50:34 AM
eternal witness: 1.80 when I bought it in November.

5.40 now.

what the fuck!

magic cards are a better investment than any savings accounts!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2015, 10:43:41 AM
An uncommon that's been reprinted three times, including in a dual deck. Why is it suddenly so expensive?


Quote
magic cards are a better investment than any savings accounts!

People thinking that are contributing to prices rising unreasonably because they buy multiple copies of cards as 'investments.'

More reprints please Wizards, to ruin their plans!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 10, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
Not sure if I told this story here before, but apparently SCG is guilty of this. They hoard cards that are supposed to be sleeper hits and then sell them back when they peak at a premium, not in the last place because they are partially to blame for the scarcity.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 15, 2015, 04:07:39 PM
Origins draft today. Shared 1st place:

boggart brute
apsiring aeronaut
chief of the foundry
reclusive artificer
separatist voidmage
lightning javelin 2x
shivan reef
Jace
Fiery Conclusion
Titanīs Strength
prickleboar
acolyte of the inferno
ghirapur gearcrafter 2x
throwing knife
ramroller
war horn
firefiend elemental
mage-ring bully
hangarbalk walker
thopter engineer

prize packs had a foil nissa and a liliana
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 17, 2015, 10:51:15 AM
Well done! Lots of expensive cards there too.


The zendikar duel deck is looking pretty good.

(http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2388/7956/original.jpg)
(http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2388/7955/original.jpg)

[no, it doesn't cost $600!]

I think including two life-counter dice is a good move! You can only otherwise get those from event decks and pre-release packs, as far as I know. Also, 10 tokens instead of 2 like before.

Hopefully the decklist will be out later today.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 17, 2015, 10:58:58 AM
i need some life dice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 17, 2015, 11:01:27 AM
Yes, I thought you did! Buy the dual deck and you'll have two!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 17, 2015, 02:19:36 PM
Finlay, if you want I can send you some free of charge. I'm tripping balls on them.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 17, 2015, 03:46:06 PM
Decklist!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/duel-decks-zendikar-vs-eldrazi-2015-08-17

Hmm, I'm not sure I'd want to buy that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
New mulligan rule!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/new-mulligan-rule-starting-battle-zendikar-prereleases-2015-08-20

You get to Scry 1 after taking a normal mulligan.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 21, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
New mulligan rule!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/new-mulligan-rule-starting-battle-zendikar-prereleases-2015-08-20

You get to Scry 1 after taking a normal mulligan.

We knew this was coming. Can't say I'm averse to it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2015, 11:24:59 AM
I know, but now it's official. I like it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 21, 2015, 11:43:01 AM
me too, also means you can mulligan twice in commander and not be too screwed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
I'm not sure if it applies to commander, since that already uses a different mulligan method. I guess we can do it though if we want.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 21, 2015, 02:42:22 PM
I'm definitely in favour of doing so. As long as people arent abusing land levels, or searching for combo pieces, more mulliganing is fine by me. I'll often start with like 1 land, mull 4 away while keeping a low cmc creature and a mana rock, and get no more swamps.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 23, 2015, 10:57:29 AM
We'll use it then!


News: the battle for zendikar prerelease has no seeded packs. They've gone back to the old system of giving you six normal boosters. So basically the way we do sealed on GCCG, instead of the way it's been in reality for several years.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 23, 2015, 11:20:25 AM
Not that the seeded packs were so interesting. It was a small push towards your chosen colour/guild/allegiance but mostly they just contained craaaaap.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 24, 2015, 10:40:41 AM
I've only been to two prereleases (so consider myself an expert  :icon_razz: ). At khans of tarkir, my abzan booster influenced me into playing those colours even though the other boosters clearly indicated jeskai instead. So I ended up with a mediocre deck and didn't do that well. Then, at dragons of tarkir, my dromoka booster pushed an already-strong collection of green and white cards into awesomeland, and I won.

So I think the seeded packs are great if you get good support from your boosters, but rather irritating if you don't.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 24, 2015, 12:44:29 PM
I've only been to two prereleases (so consider myself an expert  :icon_razz: ). At khans of tarkir, my abzan booster influenced me into playing those colours even though the other boosters clearly indicated jeskai instead. So I ended up with a mediocre deck and didn't do that well. Then, at dragons of tarkir, my dromoka booster pushed an already-strong collection of green and white cards into awesomeland, and I won.

So I think the seeded packs are great if you get good support from your boosters, but rather irritating if you don't.

So it's a gigantic hit-or-miss idea. Even more so than the boosters in general. I never liked them that much in the first place. Let's suppose you choose a color with a bad rare as a prerelease card. Then with the seeded booster, you get that and run the risk of getting that bad rare again. I don't know about you, but I have enough Gaea's Revenges in the case of Origins or Tromokratis in the case of Theros or freaking Dragon Throne of Tarkir in the case of Tarkir.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: knightofthelance on August 24, 2015, 10:35:56 PM
I haven't played this game since 1997, or maybe early 1998, but my brother (19 years younger than me) plays and he asked if I'd play against him. I find I understand none of what you guys are talking about.

But I assume black lotuses and dual lands are still good?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 25, 2015, 09:48:51 AM

yes. Black lotuses cost $20k+ to buy.

original duals are several hundred dollars.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 25, 2015, 11:35:46 AM
I haven't played this game since 1997, or maybe early 1998, but my brother (19 years younger than me) plays and he asked if I'd play against him. I find I understand none of what you guys are talking about.

But I assume black lotuses and dual lands are still good?

20 black lotuses, 20 plague rats and 20 swamps. Now THAT was real magic!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: knightofthelance on August 25, 2015, 01:22:04 PM
Oh. Maybe I ought to sell some cards. They aren't mint or anything, because what are card sleeves? But I have a pretty healthy smattering of dual lands, mostly from unlimited.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 25, 2015, 02:22:45 PM
Quote from: Finlay
original duals are several hundred dollars.

The ones that make blue mana are significantly more expensive than the ones that don't! So the duals from revised edition range from about Ģ40 to about Ģ200 mint.


20 black lotuses, 20 plague rats and 20 swamps. Now THAT was real magic!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74235&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 25, 2015, 04:30:50 PM
20 black lotuses, 20 plague rats and 20 swamps. Now THAT was real magic!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=74235&type=card)

...get off my lawn...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 28, 2015, 09:51:21 PM
Battle for Zendikar sphinx:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNc595rWUAALrRo.png)


No enemy fetchlands in the set, by the way. I'm not sure if that was mentioned yet in this thread.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 29, 2015, 05:32:56 AM
Decent drop for my Sphinx deck :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2015, 05:10:04 PM
Angry Omnath!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/78/587/635763812056003927.jpeg)

I hope Finlay doesn't see this one for his Marath deck!


Vampires are still annoying.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/78/585/635763786437969277.jpeg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 30, 2015, 08:22:20 AM
Omnomnomnomnomnath is still baws. Luckily he's more expensive this time around.
That vampire is going to be a 3-of. 1 for my collection, 1 for my mono black deck, 1 for my lifegain WB deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2015, 09:06:09 AM
Lands!  :Ohmy:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNoBYH_WgAALs98.png:large)

Quote
Praire Stream
Land - Plains Island (Rare)
Prairie Stream enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or more basic lands.

Amazing for commander. Shockland II for people not insane enough to buy original duals.


Also, this:

Quote
Zendikari expeditions are 25 full art premium mythic rares that can appear in bfz boosters, they consist of 10 shocks, 10 fetches and 5 new bfz duals.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/steamvents1.jpg)

(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.magicspoiler.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F08%2FArid-Mesa.jpg&f=1)

Hmmm. On the one hand, it's nice that they're reprinting so many good lands with new art. But on the other, they're essentially unattainable, barring good luck on the booster lottery. Thankfully, they aren't standard legal.


Also, I really don't like all the hedrons and floating areas on zendikar land.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 30, 2015, 01:55:48 PM
Holy fuck. I'd seen the lands that tap unless you have 2 basics, but not the full art reprints. Holy fuck.
I reiterate. Holy fuck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 30, 2015, 06:18:51 PM
wonder if they'll effect price of normal shock lands.

check2basics, nice lands. I'll try and get some I reckon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
I think they'll be too rare to do anything for the price of normal shocklands. But maybe they'll mean the set will sell really well, causing the prices of the other cards to drop (like with Khans due to fetchland hunting).

I need the basic-checking lands for Ghave and Derevi! Too bad they're allied colours only. Maybe the next set will have the other five.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 30, 2015, 10:14:11 PM
I just did 123 damage to rufus in one turn.

thank you, overhwlming stampede, thunderfoot baloth and Terra Stomper
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 30, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
My vengeance will be terrible!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on August 31, 2015, 12:57:27 PM
I just did 123 damage to rufus in one turn.

thank you, overhwlming stampede, thunderfoot baloth and Terra Stomper

Dooes that mean Rufus automatically loses his next game?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on August 31, 2015, 02:29:09 PM
I still haven't gotten around to figuring out how GCCGAGASD ABLABLA works. When I do, I will import some of my lethal decks and pulverize you all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 31, 2015, 06:57:41 PM
I just did 123 damage to rufus in one turn.

thank you, overhwlming stampede, thunderfoot baloth and Terra Stomper


Dooes that mean Rufus automatically loses his next game?

The next three!


He best me easily game after,  then I won the decider after almost conceding!

Then I changed deck and he whomped me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2015, 08:58:52 AM
those back2basic check lands are searchable ala shocklands! Makes the Khans searchlands even more desirable, I guess. Maybe I should get some of those!

I think they'll be expensive. logically only slightly lower than shocks, although maybe the tempo loss is quite high in standard if running multiple of them.

I wish I'd bought some damn shocklands when they were cheapest. Stop going up!


for the awaken lands, you get the spell plus the counters if you use the awaken cost, don't have to spend the awaken cost plus the spell cost?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2015, 09:30:35 AM
those back2basic check lands are searchable ala shocklands!

That's why I said they were good! Otherwise they'd be a weaker version of the glacial fortress-type lands.

They probably won't be massively in demand for modern, but will see standard play - especially since fetchlands are still around, and with 'land-type matters' cards in zendikar. So I expect they'll be quite pricey. But less than fetchlands.


Quote
for the awaken lands, you get the spell plus the counters if you use the awaken cost, don't have to spend the awaken cost plus the spell cost?

Yes, awaken is an alternative cost that gives you the counters in addition to the spell.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2015, 10:08:42 AM
Of course the fetch lands and back2basic combine with landfall as well!
Almost as if Wizards actually coherently plan stuff, or something.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2015, 10:19:03 AM
Ha, no way!

Ghave and Derevi need the green/white land each, since I don't have g/w shocklands or checklands!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 01, 2015, 10:51:47 AM
As a mechanic, Awaken is terrible. It makes targets out of your lands, which is bad. I mean, sure, lands are already targets to, say, Plow Under or Avalance Riders, but when you Awaken a land, it also becomes a target to any removal people care to throw at it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2015, 10:56:10 AM
If you can afford to pay the awaken cost, you probably have enough lands already!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2015, 11:01:07 AM
the checklands are pretty cheap (Ģ3). I like them for EDH.

I thought the awaken black kill spell might be worth it for Erebaws.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 01, 2015, 11:07:34 AM
the checklands are pretty cheap (Ģ3). I like them for EDH.

I thought the awaken black kill spell might be worth it for Erebaws.

3 quid is sort of doable, I suppose. I dunno if they will stay like that. I'll ask for advice later today.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2015, 11:14:48 AM
The R/U checkland is Ģ8! Modern!  ::heretic:: Fortunately, I have two of those. G/W is 1.80. I need to buy those next time I order any cards. Oh, and I'm missing G/B as well for Ghave.

Meanwhile, prices on zendikar doublechecks are averaging Ģ7! Too much.


Quote
I thought the awaken black kill spell might be worth it for Erebaws.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8asdifk2Sk2cs/en_rU0CrkrtQ7.png)

Hmmm. Sorcery speed! I think  there are a lot of better options for EDH. Also, this card might end up being expensive. It's preordering at Ģ4.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2015, 11:47:02 AM
g/b is 3.20, only printed once!
b/w been printed loads of times.

I'll probably buy some back2basics if they go under 5.

I noticed the price of some had gone down though, phyrexian metamorph, skullclamp, and perilous vault (this prob does need to go to black so I at least have a chance at removing artis and enchants!)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2015, 11:51:21 AM
fuck the shocklands are ridiculous. Why didn't I buy some just after they rotated from standard :(

Ģ48.60 to get one of each shock for my 2 main EDH decks

Frick MODERN.




Should I buy temples now? Will they stay cheaper as tapped? go down after rotate out as not modern playable? are they worth buying for EDH?
Roon's set is only 7 quid (the u/w one is expensiver), Marath's is only 4.8.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2015, 12:09:43 PM
I think modern only exists to troll me by making card prices ridiculous. Why does anyone play it?

Shocklands seem to be 6-10 quid, depending on which ones you want. They're often less than that on ebay though.


Does Erebos really want perilous vault? No recurring creatures if he exiles them! And surely he wins often enough without needing to remove artifacts and enchantments.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2015, 04:28:15 PM
None of the other spoileds really appeal to me.

Drowner of sorrows for Roon Mana storage. But probably not that worth it. and I don't really like Eldrazi. Weird grey purple tentacly things.
Nissa's renewal is a good effect. But not sure you want to be casting 5 mana ramp spells... I guess it colour fixes as well. not sure!

Oh I lied, Oran Rief Hydra prob needs to go int Marath as the deck is like 70% green.
Hedron Archive is useful in all decks I guess.

Although "Raid" is potentially a good mechanic for Roon. I wish there was some less cheaty instant speed blink than deadeye navigator.

Hero of Goma Fada looks good, but Raid doesnt work with slow blink.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2015, 11:32:54 AM
why have the spoilers stopped!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2015, 01:45:34 PM
I think spoilers don't start properly until next week. The ones we've had came from some sort of big convention.

I'm not that excited about this set either. Eldrazi are the blandest eldritch horrors ever, and Zendikar has too many elves and vampires. I'm hoping for some seamonsters!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 05, 2015, 02:16:30 PM
Well Rufus, my friend told me that Kiora would return, this being her home plane and all. So you can probably expect some big beasties to show up, summoned or otherwise.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
I love Kiora! Hurrah!

Maybe there will be something to rival the majesty of Lorthos the Tidemaker!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 05, 2015, 08:05:59 PM
I hope so. I am slowly building a leviathan/kraken/serpent etc deck, with U for the creatures and card draw and G for the ramping. Would be nice to have Kiora to help me.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2015, 08:38:46 PM
I have a mono-blue sea monster deck that uses quest for ula's temple... but also cheats with frantic search/high tide. There are no good serpents, by the way!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 05, 2015, 09:03:52 PM
Speaking of Ula's Temple, what I did like about Zendikar was that somehow the people of that plane turned the memory of the Eldrazi into a benevolent religion.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2015, 03:37:58 PM
were manlands confirmed?
well, we have manlands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
Enemy-coloured ones! Hurrah.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8asdifk2Sk2cs/en_uorix78qpS.png)

I feel like the lands are the most interesting thing about this set!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2015, 04:03:51 PM
Agreed, I'm gonna buy a copy of each of the duals! Manlands are cray expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 07, 2015, 08:36:48 PM
I'll just end up buying a booster box of this set, if only for the lands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2015, 09:28:27 PM
Kiora!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/78/805/635772246943784071.png)

link in case image vanishes again:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/battle-for-zendikar/25898-kiora-master-of-the-depths

I'm not that keen on the art. On the other hand: octopus tokens!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2015, 10:59:15 AM
Ob feels a bit too efficient:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/78/803/635772245228595957.png)

Teferi-levels of utility in the top two abilities!


Also: not all five enemy-manlands are in this set. They're saving some for the next one. I'd assume two now, three later. We know U/G is in, so I'd assume the other will be B/W or R/W to avoid colour repeats.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2015, 11:23:03 AM
I'm buying one! Although prob not if standard playable, which he might be.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2015, 11:32:33 AM
I think he will be standard playable, and will be expensive! Even if he's not played, his price will start high and take a long time to drop. All sellers price-fix planeswalkers, and have ever since Jace the Mindsculptor.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2015, 12:49:22 PM
the economy behind magic is quite interesting.



I saw someone said the general price of Khans was low due to people bulk buying search for lands- compare the cost of staple Siege Rhino with Thragtusk.

That must have been the same with RTR as well.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2015, 01:36:05 PM
Yes, if people can expect to sell the cards they get for more than the cost of buying a booster box, they'll do it in large numbers - which is enough to overwhelm the price-fixing cartels.

It always annoys me when people talk about secondary market prices as if they're retail prices: "Wizards can't reprint that card because it's expensive!" No, it's expensive because there aren't enough of them. If you decide to buy a card at an inflated price from a dealer, you have to accept that it could be reprinted and lose value.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2015, 01:37:36 PM
maybe i'll buy a box!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2015, 01:40:24 PM
You could! I've done that in the past. You end up with loads of cards you don't want, which then sit around unused. It's kind of sad!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2015, 01:44:54 PM
77 quid for a box, or 20 for a fat pack.

would it be reasonable to expect to be able to sell Ģ80 worth of cards from 36 boosters on ebay?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2015, 01:49:31 PM
Well, it depends on the average card value for the set, which cards you actually get and how many people do the same thing! Plus ebay fees, postage and time spent.

So maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2015, 01:51:54 PM
theres one for 67 quid on ebay.

Surely a fairly calculate gamble?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2015, 01:55:56 PM
This set looks like a good one to buy a box for, if you were going to at all. There's even the possibility of getting one of the super-rare reprint lands.

So it's not a bad idea. But don't blame me if you get rubbish cards!  :icon_razz:

It's a bit early for them to be on ebay! The release isn't until the start of October.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2015, 02:12:00 PM
what are the super rare reprints, the full art fetches? are these "bonus" extra to the 15 in each deck?

and the duals are going to be the manlands and the basicheck duals?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2015, 02:18:53 PM
Yes, full-art fetches and shocks, which might appear in the 'token or advert' card slot in boosters. But there won't be one in every box, or even in every couple of boxes. So it's best to discount the possibility of getting one.

So far, we know there will be five doublecheck duals and probably two or three enemy manlands (definitely not all five). There might be other rare lands too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 08, 2015, 02:19:23 PM
I dislike Ob Nixilis because he is too black. Draw a card, destroy a dude, all things that are typically black. Why can't they ever take a risk with a PW and make him do something new to that color (without breaking the color pie)?

Also, I am happy to announce that I am now unappealably banned on MTGsavlation for hating on a weaboo.
Used to be I could appeal my ban every half year, but they upgraded it. Hooray for TOR though! ;)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2015, 02:38:16 PM
seems like commander decks are the best financially, especially when considering the 15 new cards.


found a youtube video which says boosters boxes are't really worth it, as all the Ģ1 bulk rares are actually worthless, as very hard to sell/trade.

I dislike Ob Nixilis because he is too black.
so you hate muslims AND black people?
harsh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 08, 2015, 04:50:32 PM
Well, if roughly 92% of your Somalis were on welfare and over 80% hooked on qhat, maybe you'd dislike them too... But I digest.

I would like to see something else from a black planeswalker for once. Is that so much to ask?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2015, 09:11:42 PM
Crazy goblin legend:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/78/840/635773020944456758.png)

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/battle-for-zendikar/25900-zada-hedron-grinder
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 08, 2015, 09:18:52 PM
Urgh, not that site again.

Zada is great. Even something as trivial as, say, Touch of Moonglove becomes incredibly dangerous.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2015, 02:50:57 PM
He's a bit too much of a build-around.

This thing:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/78/846/200/283/635773099836308221.png)

Is amazing for Ghave! I don't think Ghave would want to hang around with eldrazi though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 09, 2015, 02:58:54 PM
too much build around. might see standard play?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 09, 2015, 04:29:26 PM
We've got a new dragon. And it's terrible. Why would I want that in my Scion deck? I just want an enchantment-eating dragon and then I'll be almost done with the deck in terms of creation.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 10, 2015, 04:05:22 PM
another for ghave.
scry-sac!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/78/883/200/283/635774591520874350.png)

orzhov manland.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/78/892/200/283/635774779307548931.png)

recursion elemental.
maybe playable for Marath, but it's not very big and no trample
I'll probably try it out in an elemental OMNOMNOMNATH deck first.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/78/891/200/283/635774747130896465.png)



This might be a standard staple.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/78/885/200/283/635774595014495289.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2015, 04:14:08 PM
Ghave's not using eldrazi. I've decided he hates them! Realistically, everyone would hate them, because all they do is absorb life and mana.

I like shambleland and extort vampire!

The elemental seems a bit weak for a mythic. Plus exiling it fuels your opponent's eldrazi abilities! Some of them move exiled cards to the graveyard to power effects.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 10, 2015, 04:53:33 PM
Extort vampire and her cousin, the enchantment knight with lifelink, are going in my WB lifegain deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 10, 2015, 05:13:38 PM
I think I'm gonna buy all commander decks over a booster.

I want to buy some storage solutions
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 10, 2015, 05:21:36 PM
I want to buy some storage solutions

(https://musevessel.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/003.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 10, 2015, 09:07:13 PM
That looks capacious!

This is annoying:
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8asdifk2Sk2cs/en_ic4W1c7URe.png)

I hate these 'your opponent can't cast things' cards.


Presumably there aren't enough red and white allies for this guy to be a commander?

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/78/877/635774382175563139.png)

Oh, you don't even draw any cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2015, 04:36:54 PM
beast card!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/78/912/200/283/635775234202990590.jpeg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 11, 2015, 06:36:52 PM
Ally is nothing more than a gimmick. It's a terrible thing. In a sense it's better than tribal because a vampire and an elf could be allies, but in terms of playablity for EDH, you're going to have a bad time. My work in progress RAT deck is going to be better than any EDH ally deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2015, 08:45:11 PM
I thought march from the tomb said 'all ally cards that cost eight or less' at first, but it's actually 'ally cards adding up to a total of eight.'


I also thought this was great at first, but then I noticed it didn't say quite what I thought:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/78/932/635775616059707952.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 12, 2015, 11:29:26 AM
Note on Devoid: It's terrible. So they add colors to the card but since they are colorless they can't have colors. So what do they do? FIX IT WITH A KEYWORD! Terrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2015, 03:18:07 PM
I'm not keen on colourless cards in general, but devoid is necessary to stop them ruining the game.

This is surely EDHable:
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8asdifk2Sk2cs/en_Gi1W2xFJnK.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 14, 2015, 03:29:43 PM
That artwork looks straight out of an open cinematic of a 1990's computer game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 14, 2015, 03:39:27 PM
Full art basics = lame.

That Dragon master looks edh amazing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2015, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: Karl Voss of Averland
That artwork looks straight out of an open cinematic of a 1990's computer game.

Harsh! But you're right. A lot of the eldrazi art looks like old computer graphics.


Quote from: Finlay
That Dragon master looks edh amazing!

reprint!


On another subject: ally land.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/144/690/635778234764200359.png)


Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 14, 2015, 05:05:16 PM
computer generated wankery, that's for sure.


Why are the zendikar lands all floaty islandy shit, fluff wise?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 14, 2015, 05:15:42 PM
Because that's what Zendikar is. A bunch of floaty islands.

Edit:

This set has me doubting whether I want to go to the prerelease. I haven't skipped a single one since Shards of Alara, but this set just seems...terrible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 15, 2015, 10:11:36 AM
There's a new set of ETB lands! Remember bojuka bog, halimar depths, khalni garden, and... the other ones I don't like? Well, some of the new ones are interesting!

I definitely like this one for EDH.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/79/30/635778760398995148.jpeg)

This is handy provided you have a reasonable number of basic lands.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/79/32/635778762631291176.jpeg)

The other three are a bit dull.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 15, 2015, 02:57:10 PM
I quite like this. Scrytastic!

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8asdifk2Sk2cs/en_pceTu6CmBb.png)

Rare seems wrong though. Uncommon!


This for EDH:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/144/826/635779283912905883.png)

Expensive, but totally worth it for a lot of decks. Exile anything at instant speed!


Octopus token! I need this.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/images/daily/V2qe0ALQPq.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 16, 2015, 04:51:25 PM
that scrydraw is really good.

it's 1 mana more than harmonize, for a butt load of scry.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2015, 09:37:12 AM
It is good, but I've remembered that in EDH you can have rush of knowledge, which also costs five and draws you cards equal to your most expensive thing, rather than scrying. So, for example, draw 6 instead of scry 6, draw 3. Maybe it's nice to have both though.


I quite like this for EDH:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/79/111/635780365079817340.png)

Teferi likes it, and it will probably be cheap!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 18, 2015, 03:45:20 PM
The full spoiler is up:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/battle-zendikar-2015-09-18


I'm not overly enamoured!


I like this though.
(http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8asdifk2Sk2cs/en_aBdkQdRHLb.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 18, 2015, 04:00:07 PM
You know you're getting old when your cataracts get blighted!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: StealthKnightSteg on September 18, 2015, 06:12:05 PM
Dunno about that, just revisiting my MtG.. last series I collected / played was Kamigawa..(2004/2005)

And why do I have 2 elven decks? Oh wait, it's just more elves..

@http://www.mtgprice.com inserted the first 2 Kamigawa.. already at $750 fair trade price.. but most commons I would not count for 18 cents..
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2015, 09:35:02 AM
Zendikar event deck in expensive cards shocker!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/battle-zendikar-event-deck-and-intro-packs-2015-09-24

Two (good) mythics, Tasigur, and the absurdly overpriced hangarback walker (the thragtusk of our times). Probably the best event deck in card-value terms since the red/white Gatecrash one.

But, I don't particularly want any of those cards. Hopefully it's a good omen for the commander decks though!


Also, expedition lands are something like 1:216 boosters. So they may as well not exist.


Also also, GCCG has been updated with the zendikar cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2015, 08:27:16 PM
is commander 2015 the next thing released?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 26, 2015, 05:37:01 AM
It might just be. We're overdue for another commander summer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 26, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
I think they always release commander decks in November.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 27, 2015, 04:48:52 PM
Aaahahahahahah!

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12047147_10156076115350534_7473634774065840325_n.jpg?oh=82dd21451402013f05e69f9fd18f6223&oe=565E2BC7)

Expedition, nyigaz!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on September 27, 2015, 07:03:01 PM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 27, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
Put it on 'marketplace' almost immediately after coming home. Got bids of 70, 130, 150 euro. NO ACCEPTO.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on September 28, 2015, 08:25:28 AM
Put it on 'marketplace' almost immediately after coming home. Got bids of 70, 130, 150 euro. NO ACCEPTO.
They are going for around 280 / 300 euros on magiccarmarkte.eu. Which says enough.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 28, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
Why do people want then, just to bling decks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 28, 2015, 03:53:17 PM
Why do people want then, just to bling decks?

That's all there is to it. Most recent bid is 210 euro. NO ACCEPTO.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 29, 2015, 12:56:13 AM
Really? 210 euros?

Introduce your kids to Magic the Gathering,  and they won't be able afford drugs.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 29, 2015, 05:23:37 AM
The value of that card is all bragging rights, just another foil to trick out your deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 29, 2015, 09:40:29 AM
Someone would have to be genuinely stupid to pay for those expedition cards!

I don't even understand why people pay extra for foil cards. They don't look better than normal ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 29, 2015, 11:02:19 AM
Are the new manlands worth playing in EDH?

4 mana to get a 3/3 hexproof seems expensive, compared to 2 mana for a 3/3 trampler from treetop village. 3 mana for 2/3 lifelink seems OK, but also not that exciting. Obviously they're also dual lands, but if the creatures aren't worth it then they may as well be temples or something instead.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=401943&type=card)

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=402031&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 29, 2015, 12:03:51 PM
I think they're worth it probably just as Duals, as we tend not to play the more expensive duals
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 29, 2015, 01:43:31 PM
I'd use them on GCCG, but I'm trying to decide if I want to buy them. Shambling vent would be good if Ghave put some +1 counters on it. I'm not sure if Derevi wants lumbering falls though.

I'm going to try this with Derevi for sure:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=402006&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on September 30, 2015, 02:08:08 PM
Don't your GCCG rules say no expensive/OP stuff? Then why allow Derevi the Ridiculous?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 06, 2015, 08:57:52 AM
Interesting article about magic economics:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/articles/47161-the-magic-street-journal-wizards-always-hurts-the
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on October 06, 2015, 08:42:35 PM
Still no bids on my MISTY RAINFOREST EXPEDITION and my FOIL NISSA, VASTWOOD SEER.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2015, 10:47:09 AM
Commander!

(http://demandware.edgesuite.net/sits_pod18/dw/image/v2/AAJI_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-londondrugs-master/default/dw1e1b7817/products/L8929283/large/L8929283.JPG?sw=360&sh=360)

Quote
Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas - 2WR
Legendary Creature - Giant Soldier
Double strike, vigilance
Whenever you cast a creature spell with converted mana cost 5 or greater, you get an experience counter.
Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas gets +1/+1 for each experience counter you have.
3/3

Not very interesting. Presumably we can expect a god theme for the other decks, in which case the R/U and G/U ones should be more fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 15, 2015, 12:20:51 PM
And other cards which experience counters affect?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2015, 01:22:12 PM
Not so far. The five new commanders will all use them, and there might be some other new cards that do also.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 15, 2015, 03:24:50 PM
Any more info? I couldn't see even that card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on October 15, 2015, 08:56:55 PM
Okay so now we can get experience alongside infection counters and auras? What le fucque?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 15, 2015, 11:00:04 PM
I think this might have been an accidental leak. So there's no other information on the set so far.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 20, 2015, 03:28:34 PM
Article about under-appreciated lands in commander:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/serious-fun/lands-time-forgot-2015-10-20

It amuses me when they talk about cards being 'hard to find' as a euphemism for 'expensive on the secondary market.'

I like the suggestion at the end for a way to use Paliano.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on October 22, 2015, 08:38:01 PM
I've been thinking about using conspiracies to tip the scales a little. Last time I left the gaming place rather upset because an opponent had Omniscience.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 24, 2015, 08:52:00 PM
We had a great FNM yesterday.
2 commander games.
First I used my Foil Uril deck, killed 3 people out of 5.
Second game I used my Daretti, which was less succesful.

Fairy used Obnixilis.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2015, 12:53:48 AM
The next magic block is Shadows over Innistrad!

Amazing!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 01, 2015, 09:53:48 AM
Oh! That was quick.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2015, 10:09:23 AM
Yes! But Innistrad was the best!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 01, 2015, 11:39:25 AM
It was a great set.

Hope they make it good again! I liked rtr but not returning to zebdikar particularly.
I want to return to lorwyn for hobbits and ents, but not faeries
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2015, 02:15:14 PM
Innistrad had some of the best mechanics/theme combinations ever. Doomed Traveler. Civilized Scholar/Homicidal Brute. Rooftop Storm. Army of the Damned. Evil Twin. Delver of Secrets! It's insanely good. It's the set that made me want to start playing Magic again.

Plus, you can't go wrong with 'Shadows over _____' as a name. Shadows over Innsmouth, Shadows over Bogenhafen...

No Eldrazi though please.


I think faeries would be inevitable if they did a Lorwyn set! They were the most popular thing in it. Though I suppose that was more due to being overpowered than because people liked them fluffwise.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 01, 2015, 03:41:59 PM
I have a bad feeling about the Eldrazi Titans that are unaccounted for. Something tells me one of them is feeding on another plane we have been before, probably not Innistrad though, and the other....I'm afraid the other is being compleated by the New Phyrexians.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 02, 2015, 03:49:24 PM
I hope they leave the eldrazi story for now. They can come back to it later.


Commander!

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_wMMkFuNmJ5.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_xsBKMcuKF4.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_GCqEcaoJng.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_TcBOuvOgDK.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_fuAvaxRz0L.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_KPmNZx3JbO.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_B0O6oNn7A6.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_vwrBandHD7.png)

Which deck to get!  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 02, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
Wow pretty cool!

Mazirek poops on ghave. If I use it I'd have to tell you so you don't Use ghave, I hate hard counters like that (wheel of Sun and moon!)

Mizzik quickly gives you super cheap spells.

Myriad is awesome. fiery confluence is outstanding.

I'm not a massive fan of "take half their life" cards though. Even though I have one in black. A lot easier to get evasion on an artifaxt though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 02, 2015, 04:46:45 PM
Mazirek is amazing for Ghave though! Sac a saproling, get loads of counters.

I'm not sure if Mizzix would make an interesting commander, but goblin techno-wizards are themetastic. I feel like I need the Izzet deck, even though I already have one!

I really like the snake wizard too, even though kamigamiwawa arm-snakes aren't proper snakes.

Confluence is excellent design. I'm looking forward to seeing the ones in the other colours.


I missed one! Zombie Daxos. When did he die?

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/147/82/635820550763116334.png)

While I like ghosts, I'm not that keen on an enchantment-themed deck. I prefer the original Daxos.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 02, 2015, 05:48:17 PM
I quite like them all so far!

the snakey dude seems fun, but not sure how many good snakes there are.
But can do snake tokens, snake tribal, and voltron (multiself pump unblockable), so 3 avenues.

Looks like experience counters go to you, which mitigates protection needs of commanders. I would never want to go heavy enchantment... I guess you probably need to to make him worth it. Are these the proper commander or the alternates?

mizzik looks fairly uninteresting but useful.

The heroic creature is good too!

weenie removal, artifact removal. I like confluence a lot!



I don't really like making people discard. It is annoying, or if running grave deck, helpful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 02, 2015, 09:03:28 PM
Daxos probably died looking for Elspeth, who was last seen in Erebos' underworld.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 02, 2015, 11:34:58 PM
Daxos probably died looking for Elspeth, who was last seen in Erebos' underworld.

Poor Daxos! Heliod is such a dick.

I've just noticed the ghost tokens Daxos makes don't have flying. Lame! I like my ghosts to fly, lingering souls style. Still, there are some enchantments that can return themselves to your hand (flickering ward, for example) so it's not too hard for him to build up EXP counters.


Quote from: Finlay
the snakey dude seems fun, but not sure how many good snakes there are.

Enough to do a 60 card deck, but maybe not enough for commander. I'm guessing all the decks will have a tribal subtheme: snakes for U/G and giants for W/R are confirmed... maybe spirits for B/W?

The commanders with EXP counters will be the ones on the front of the box (Daxos, Kalemne, Mizzix). Snake dude and insect guy are alternate commanders.

I agree about discarding being either annoying or dangerous.


I found some more cards:

Isn't this just clone with an extra ability for the same cost and rarity? It seems good!
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/gigantoplasm.jpg)

This is quite nice. Unless the thing you block has trample - then you only get one card!
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/illusoryambusher.jpg)

Lost the picture, but there's a Karmic Justice reprint.

Eternal Witness snake that helps an opponent. Use after you exile their graveyard!
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/skullwinder.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 03, 2015, 12:45:00 AM
Broken pics!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 03, 2015, 01:03:47 AM
Fixed?


Character info on the new commanders:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/commander-2015-story

There's a ghost council guy! I need to get the B/W deck.  :Ohmy:  The enchantment theme is OK, since I can use my Serra Sanctum!

Bad news: U/G commander is a phyrexian! Yuck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 03, 2015, 10:31:15 AM
Not many people play a lot of enchantment removal, so might catch people off guard a bit.

Excited!

I don't care u/g is ohyrexian because I like the snake guy!

I like skullwinder. Good defenae and political for multiplayer. Probably not worth using in dual, too risky.

Better clone and the ambush both looks quite good!

Which decks to buy... I must confess not super excited by boris so far. The commander is not interesting and I don't like giants.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 03, 2015, 11:35:14 AM
Bad picture of the dirty phyrexian guy:

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/ezuriclawofprogress.jpg)

His EXP gain ability is really easy to trigger (token producing cards, especially those that make multiple tokens at once). But I hate all phyrexian stuff. Probably the deck will have loads of proliferate nonsense in it!

Snake guy is awesome though (art-tastic art!). Are you claiming him? I might buy one to go in the Derevi All-stars deck!  ::heretic::

Boris is still just aggro and blowing stuff up, unless there are some interesting new cards lurking in the deck.

Gigantoplasm's ability doesn't wear off at end of turn! You can just keep resetting it to higher and higher values.  :ph34r:


I've pretty much decided that I want to buy the B/W deck. I'm not sure if I want U/R too! U/G is out due to phyrexian lurgy. W/R is boring. G/B has too much overlap with Ghave.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 03, 2015, 11:53:36 AM
I'll definitely buy u g. That commander is awesome ability wise.

I don't mind you using cards I have I just don't particularly like havkng the same commanders, as I just want to copy your decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 03, 2015, 12:20:21 PM
Snake dude would be great in Derevi, actually, since his unblockable ability doesn't require snakehood, but helps force things though for tappy/untappy fun. Plus he's a wizard for Azami's ability! But I won't use him as a commander. Probably.  :icon_razz:

I hope they don't put Prophet of Kruphix in U/G! They shouldn't encourage people to use that.

I've realised that I have a ton of old black or white enchantments I'd like to use. Though it will probably turn out the deck already has a lot of them as reprints!

I can put Kjeldoran Outpost in B/W too. I had to drop it from Ghave due to insufficient plains.

More spoilers should appear later today!

I wonder what lands are going to be in? Definitely guildgates, khans refuges and ravnica bouncelands. Will they use any rare duals (checklands, shocklands)? Or make a new land cycle?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 03, 2015, 04:05:53 PM
Some reprint info: the decks have spider spawn, death grasp, counterflux, coiling oracle (all expected and cheap) and... Gisella, blade of goldnight. That's the boris angel with the annoying double/half damage rule.

Then there's this:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_eoVO1O6wZ9.png)

Political!

And this:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_R9o1E4kq26.png)

Nasty robot zombie elf!


Card image gallery (doesn't have everything revealed so far):

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/commander2015
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2015, 01:59:45 AM
More cards!

Weird land! Presumably the idea is to use it when the commander tax has got too high to cast him from the command zone.
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/commandbeacon.jpg)

Green confluence, doing all the green stuff.
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/verdantconfluence.jpg)

Wrath of doom!
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/deadlytempest.jpg)

This one seems wrong.
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/bastionprotector.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2015, 08:21:16 AM
Was thinking of that protector for marath, but then she couldn't kill herself!

I'll definitely try and squeeze the confluence in, it's brilliant. I hope the other colours are as good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 04, 2015, 09:58:26 AM
Pretty excited for this set. Also, Mizzix's Mastery is nuts! It'll be a win condition in my UR deck that is currently led by Melek but might just be led by Mizzix next.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2015, 11:30:32 AM
I hadn't seen Mizzix's mastery! Gosh!  :Ohmy:

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/mizzixsmastery.jpg)

Also, this dude:

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/magusofthewheel.jpg)

[the other image vanished, but he sacs to cast Wheel of Fortune]

Imagine Feldon/Santa recurring him!

The spoilers are racing out. Maybe the full decklists will be here soon?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2015, 12:29:14 PM
I feel like we're close to the 15*5 new cards already.
really excited for the set. loads of interesting stuff

the commander products are really fantastic.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2015, 12:35:34 PM
Yeh, there can't be many left. Maybe decklists on Friday? I need to order a deck before potential price increases!

By the way, I read that if a new card is rare, it's only in one deck. So only one confluence per deck rather than two. Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2015, 03:32:45 PM
That wheel of fortune guy raised my interest because it's expensive.

There's also a multiplYer targeting oblivion ring, for the same mana!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 04, 2015, 03:36:40 PM
That wheel of fortune guy raised my interest because it's expensive.

There's also a multiplYer targeting oblivion ring, for the same mana!

Finlay, just get Winds of Change (http://magiccards.info/query?q=winds+of+change&v=card&s=cname). Same effect for a fraction of the monetary cost.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2015, 06:02:17 PM
Wheel lets red commanders 're stock their hand.

Gb commander spoiled. Looks ace!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2015, 08:39:00 AM
Bw commander is life gain Rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2015, 09:49:14 AM
Oh! Not sure what to think about that.

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c15/cards/karlovoftheghostcouncil.jpg)

Karlov is ghost-tastic though.

There's black market reprint! Ģ9 card. But is it in b/w or b/g?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2015, 11:31:46 AM
6 counters seems a lot to exile. Maybe he will get absolutely massive quickly. isn't there a khans card which gives you 2 life a turn?
sounds a lot better if 2 life and 2 counters for commander!

I quite want to buy them all!!!!

what's interesting is that the price of the expensive cards in daretti did not drop. and even eternal witness. although prices are confusing me loads atm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2015, 11:42:13 AM
Yes, I thought it seemed a lot at first, but two counters for each instance of lifegain will soon add up. Not sure which khans card you mean, but I think there are loads of repeatable lifegain cards. Plus lifelink and extort! I think I like him. He's cooler than zombie Daxos.

I'd like them all too, but it would be excessive!

Card prices never make sense. It's an unregulated market that's subject to massive price-fixing and manipulation!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2015, 12:04:21 PM
chaoscards is the website with Ģ24 decks.

I like him more than daxos too. it seems easier to use good cards which incidentally give lifegain rather than fit in an enchantment theme.
I bet there are good lifegain enchantments though!

god im so excited for this set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2015, 12:08:20 PM
I just remembered standard constellation was a thing. With enchantment creatures and the gods etc.
So probably easier to do that than I thought.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2015, 12:09:27 PM
Bloodspore thrinax, a devouring, quasi master biomancer in g
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2015, 04:10:07 PM
I didn't know about chaoscards. So that's the cheapest we've seen... though not by much. I wish I knew when the full decklists come out! I really suspect it will be tomorrow.

Constellation was pretty good, yes. Daxos is probably fine.

Bloodspore thrinax = yet another card for Ghave!


Niv-Mizzet's best friend:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_geTnORBk4e.png)

I'm not sure I'd want to use sphinx-on-fire as commander though!


Also:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_Vr4ji4EkN0.png)

Do want!


Also also:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_2J71qRqfcb.png)

 :icon_exclaim:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2015, 04:26:01 PM
That mana rock is basically auto include in every deck.

God the power level seems really high!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 05, 2015, 04:31:31 PM
Yes! Now I'm thinking again that I want two decks.

Also, bear:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_X4EoEnpo8O.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 05, 2015, 04:40:52 PM
Yes! Now I'm thinking again that I want two decks.

Also, bear:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_X4EoEnpo8O.png)

I'm gonna punch it!

(http://magic.wizards.com/sites/mtg/files/images/wallpaper/SavagePunch_KTK_2560x1600_WallpaperTemplate.jpg)

And then imma find a lizard!

And punch it too!

(http://www.artofmtg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Epic-Confrontation-Dragons-of-Tarkir-MtG-Art.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2015, 05:49:28 PM
urza's incubator! 7 quid reprint! want for Marath and/or any tribal decks (although does hurt marath- prob better for my omnath elemental variant i can't do because rufus stole it)!

they MUST have told retailers the power level was good, with expensive reprints, hence higher price than last time and caginess of wayland and trolltrader.


holy shit, imagine blade of selves in roon deck, with etb value. jizzum.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2015, 07:25:09 PM
He white myriad has vigilance.  Funny for tokens which exile at end of combat! 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on November 05, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
Yes! Now I'm thinking again that I want two decks.

Also, bear:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/c15_9dsm28ccakCDSk2/en_X4EoEnpo8O.png)

I called for a knight, but you're a bear!
All black and brown and covered with hair
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 05, 2015, 08:45:35 PM
(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Commander-2015-Token-22.png)

lingering souls reprint?

(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Commander-2015-Token-17.png)
disappointing snake add

(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Commander-2015-Token-1.png)
chaneglings!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 06, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/commander-2015-edition-decklists-2015-11-06

full decklists are up

Blade of sleves is in Boris (the only deck i really dont want). boo!


one comment on c15 thread on mtgsalvation.

"Boring decks that missed the last train to value town.

I hope the ally color decks next year will be better."

literally the next comment.
"Best Commander decks so far! Awesome design, pure value and enemie colors. I will get all five."

lol.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 07, 2015, 10:03:55 PM
Why would you get all five decks? Not only are you screwing others out of their chance to get some enjoyment, especially if supplies are low, you won't get much value out of it. Just get your singles and move on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 09, 2015, 03:22:12 PM
I don't like these as much as the C14 ones. A lot of the new cards are nice, but they did less well with the reprints.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 09, 2015, 03:28:54 PM
they must have annoyed people with the c14 decks.
it's funny they have less value but are selling for more this year! people must have been screwed on the wurm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 09, 2015, 03:42:11 PM
Brag:
Last thursday I held a beta Black Lotus.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 09, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
also, skullclamp reprint- the bad art version. bleh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on November 11, 2015, 02:56:13 PM
Brag:
Last thursday I held a beta Black Lotus.


Brag : I used to own 3 of those

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 11, 2015, 03:01:04 PM
Brag:
Last thursday I held a beta Black Lotus.


Brag : I used to own 3 of those

Hark! A past tense! Ended a game in a 4 way tie uesterday by stacking skirk fire marshall's ability 5 times.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on November 11, 2015, 03:03:26 PM
Till I loaned them to a "friend"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 15, 2015, 04:01:18 PM
Some sites are asking more for the G/B deck... but it doesn't appear to contain the most expensive cards.  :icon_confused:

Magic Madhouse, for example, has G/B at a ridiculous Ģ35, while each of the other four is 25. But if you look at their prices for single cards, the most expensive card in G/B (eldrazi monument) is only the sixth most expensive overall (and it's only Ģ4 anyway). Nor are there a lot of other high-value cards in it. What's going on there!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 15, 2015, 05:18:36 PM
supply/demand on most powerful?

it's probably one i want the most so hope i can find for 25!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 15, 2015, 11:54:39 PM
Maybe, but it's not normally how the pricing goes! The ones with the most expensive cards cost the most, regardless of how good they are as decks.

They're still 25 on troll trader!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 16, 2015, 12:21:20 AM
wayland doesnt have them at all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 16, 2015, 11:02:29 AM
wayland doesnt have them at all!

They've got preorders for the next expansion (due in January), but no commander 15 at all! It's very odd.


My B/W deck arrived in the post, by the way! I also bought mystic confluence, gigantoplasm, and a couple of thought vessels. Mystic confluence has gone up a lot in price since I ordered it (it's now about 8 quid), though I don't suppose the price will stay that high.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 16, 2015, 05:15:32 PM
Why buy any decks? Just order the singles. Unless you're just starting out it's highly unlikely you have not got the filler cards yet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 16, 2015, 05:35:39 PM
wayland doesnt have them at all!

They've got preorders for the next expansion (due in January), but no commander 15 at all! It's very odd.


My B/W deck arrived in the post, by the way! I also bought mystic confluence, gigantoplasm, and a couple of thought vessels. Mystic confluence has gone up a lot in price since I ordered it (it's now about 8 quid), though I don't suppose the price will stay that high.
PhyrArena is at Ģ4.20 for a c15 single down from 6.17. Might buy that.
(black market is 3.77 vs 8.79 old, and eldrazi monument is Ģ5.61 down form 8.13)
annoyting the card i want most had smallest price drop! guess it also was the cheapest.

I definitely want some mystic confluences! is that in the u/g deck? i wont buy them if they stay at 8 quid. Definitely want one for Roon, it fits really nicely with bounce protection for more ETB effects. of course it's an amazing card without that little incidental roon bonus.

gigantoplasm to replace the clone in roon deck.

Did you see the creature that kinda does what aether snap is (which is in black deck). it's not instant and easier to remove, but is a creature. Not sure if i should use or not.

Every deck wants a thoughtvessel apart from Marath which is pretty low on draw.

it's bizarre wayland don't have them.

Why buy any decks? Just order the singles. Unless you're just starting out it's highly unlikely you have not got the filler cards yet.
i've bought abvout 4 boosters ever. I likely don't have fillers.

still debating if i want to buy 3 of these, or none.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 17, 2015, 12:45:01 PM
Arena is 3.50 on magic madhouse, or 4 on manaleak. But both of those want more for black market. The prices don't follow the same pattern on all three. It's probably best to wait for a while before buying.

Mystic confluence is high due to hype, so will lose value if it turns out to be worse than people expect. It does seem great though.

Thought vessel was 10p! Now it's more like 80. I don't think every deck needs it though. Probably only blue ones.

I think command beacon should have been common and in all the decks, like command tower or opal palace.

It's funny that they reprinted high market after the commander tuck rule went away. It's still fairly useful though. I probably want one for Karlov.


Quote
Did you see the creature that kinda does what aether snap is (which is in black deck). it's not instant and easier to remove, but is a creature. Not sure if i should use or not.

It's interesting... though it doesn't remove tokens like aethersnap does (and aethersnap is a sorcery anyway). It should get pretty big. Probably worth trying! Ghave won't like it. Nor will Ezuri.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=405419&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 17, 2015, 12:52:49 PM
Thief of Blood is nuts in any real commander game. Too bad we don't have tech to remove counters from players that aren't poison.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 17, 2015, 05:36:53 PM

oh thats quite good for phyrarena! Black market looks pretty stapletastic... but i do think it would fit better into new g/b deck which will be more focused on sacrificing and recursion. my monoblack deck can have the mana doublers!

I hope it drops for sure!

I meant all my other decks, so just roon and erebos, not all decks in general.

I think maybe its worth it. Aethersnap is often a dead card. Then again this is a dead card too if nothing with counters on.
and normal wipe spells can deal with tokens.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 17, 2015, 06:05:37 PM
Finl-eh, where do you get your cards?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 17, 2015, 06:06:42 PM
Normally magic card trader as they used to have best prices.

Now they dont, so anywhere
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2015, 12:17:21 AM
Game won with 22/22 thief of blood!

It can steal counters from vivid lands too, so maybe that's a reason to keep them around.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2015, 10:06:01 AM
Possible new Kozilek and land. Might be fake! Note the weird mana symbol and that the land is basic.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/147/531/635833802971158984.jpg)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/147/532/635833803078533222.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on November 18, 2015, 11:58:29 AM
A basic land that only makes colourless mana?
Seems weird, I thought that they would never add a 6th colour?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 18, 2015, 12:40:45 PM
You know, it makes sense. In the absence of the colors in magic, colorless remains. So an island stripped of its blue mana is a basic land but not an island. If that makes sense?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2015, 03:20:26 PM
It looks a bit like the 'snow mana' thing they did in Coldsnap. But we don't even know if these are real cards yet! I think the set isn't due until January.

A colourless basic does fix the issue with colourless EDH commanders.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 18, 2015, 05:15:21 PM
Yay breaking news from me this time:

(http://mythicspoiler.com/ogw/cards/mirrorpool.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 19, 2015, 03:40:09 PM
Hmmm, that looks quite useful.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on November 20, 2015, 09:39:42 AM
Hmmm, that looks quite useful.
Especially for colourless EDH decks.
I'm wondering how the other art of the basics will look.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 20, 2015, 12:23:47 PM
Hmmm, that looks quite useful.
Especially for colourless EDH decks.
I'm wondering how the other art of the basics will look.

Presumably either more hedrons or ravaged.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 24, 2015, 11:49:34 PM
I think the C15 commanders are a bit dodgy. They aren't making for interesting games so far.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 25, 2015, 02:26:57 PM
I think the C15 commanders are a bit dodgy. They aren't making for interesting games so far.

What.
Then you haven't been playing with anybody interesting. Both myself and a friend of mine now have decks running them and they are awesome.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 25, 2015, 03:21:47 PM
random mtg annoyance:

Toxic Deluge, a commander card, has been hijacked by fucking legacy, to make it really expensive. My black deck would love a toxic deluge!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on November 25, 2015, 03:23:21 PM
Then why not play Mutilate?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 03, 2015, 05:05:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pRXvVUnl.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 03, 2015, 06:57:28 PM
Another cleric. My WB cleric deck is coming back to me now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 03, 2015, 10:23:46 PM
She'll be great with Karlov of the Ghost Council.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 04, 2015, 11:54:15 AM
She looks great for EDH/Commander.
Not that great for Modern.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 04, 2015, 08:16:34 PM
She looks great for EDH/Commander.
Not that great for Modern.

Who plays Modern? That is way too costly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 05, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
She looks great for EDH/Commander.
Not that great for Modern.

Who plays Modern? That is way too costly.
Me :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 06, 2015, 09:23:33 AM
She looks great for EDH/Commander.
Not that great for Modern.

Who plays Modern? That is way too costly.
Me :happy:

You must be rich, if you not only have a modern deck but also play WH on the side.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 07, 2015, 07:07:24 PM
She looks great for EDH/Commander.
Not that great for Modern.

Who plays Modern? That is way too costly.
Me :happy:

You must be rich, if you not only have a modern deck but also play WH on the side.
Yeah sure...
I'm just cheap!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 09, 2015, 08:21:59 PM
Holy fuck green planeswalkers are stupid. First Nissa lets out the Eldrazi in the first Zendikar block, and guess what? Kozilek's return is thanks to Kiora.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/uncharted-realms/rise-kozilek-2015-12-09 (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/uncharted-realms/rise-kozilek-2015-12-09)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 11, 2015, 04:36:43 PM
I can't believe they killed Lorthos in that story. Lame.


Also, the shadowmoor lands are expeditions:

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/ogw/cards/mysticgate.jpg)

And it looks like there really is a symbol for colourless mana now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 11, 2015, 06:03:34 PM
i thought these lands were called filters not expeditions?

Kinda a shame they reprint them here though... the shadowmoor/lorwyn ones are mega expensive, i think they needed a reprint somewhere else to bring price down and then a standard version to come in.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 11, 2015, 10:22:11 PM
Expeditions = pointless foil lands with boring artwork that act as chase cards!

Yes, the filters do need a proper reprint, since they're currently priced way above their worth.


Also:

Quote
Mina and Denn, Wildborn
2RG
Legendary Creature - Elf Ally
You may play an additional land during each of your turns.

RG, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Target creature gains trample until end of turn.

4/4

Simultaneously quite good and rather boring.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 12, 2015, 10:44:57 AM
I like the idea they are reprinting these filter lands, they are to expensive to be good.
I also like the full art type lands, but not that it is al painted in Zendikar style. They should used the original location/drawing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 12, 2015, 08:07:14 PM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/ogw/cards/crushoftentacles.jpg)

Or, for those that can't view images:

Crush of Tentacles
4UU
Sorcery
Surge 3UU (You may cast this spell for its surge cost if you or a teammate has cast another spell this turn.)

Return all nonland permanents to their owners' hands. If Crush of Tentacle's surge cost was paid, put an 8/8 blue Octopus creature token onto the battlefield.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 13, 2015, 05:47:32 PM
thats good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 13, 2015, 08:50:07 PM
Forbidden Orchard and Ancient Tomb return as sexpeditions.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 15, 2015, 11:33:01 AM
Massive oath of the guildwatch leak! Both planeswalkers, lots of land, and some other things.

http://www.mythicspoiler.com/ogw/index.html

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/ogw/cards/sphinxofthefinalword.jpg)

Some odd choices for the expeditions too - strip mine (banned in everything except EDH), wasteland, tectonic edge and dust bowl?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 15, 2015, 11:56:35 AM
You forgot that one of the Shadows over Innistrad cards has also been spoiled. Sort of.

(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/mindbreakerdemon.jpg)

"Mindbreaker Demon"
2BB
Creature - Demon
Flying, trample

When Mindbreaker Demon enters the battlefield, put the top four cards of your library into your graveyard.

At the beginning of your upkeep, if you don't have 4 or more card types in your graveyard, you lose 4 life.
   4/5
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 15, 2015, 02:55:04 PM
Oh yes, I did see that: he's in the duel deck along with (the irritating) Giest of st Traft.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 16, 2015, 06:54:28 AM
Oh yes, I did see that: he's in the duel deck along with (the irritating) Giest of st Traft.
A New dual deck? Which one?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 16, 2015, 10:55:57 AM
Blessed vs Cursed.
Basically a redo of Angels vs Demons. Yawn.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 24, 2015, 01:55:50 PM
Last sunday, I went to my first tournament.
Modern format, 38 players. And I went second with my Affinity list. My record: 5 - 1.
I won a modern masters booster and a Horizon Canopy. My booster revealed an Emrakul and a foil lightning bolt.
Yeaya! :happy:

I also traded a foil land for my Uril deck. So he is now 97% foiled, 2 are unfoilable and 1 is to expensive.
Pictuers will follow. :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 24, 2015, 08:35:17 PM
Well done Novo!  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 25, 2015, 01:45:13 PM
congrats novo

What a shame we instantly gank uril!

and even then he still almost got us!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 27, 2015, 10:02:15 AM
Thanks Rufus & Finlay!
Indeed, you don't like my big sad panda.
So, here he is with his foil Chinese Brother and his token Sisters:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20151227_093115_zpsda3noz7y.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20151227_093115_zpsda3noz7y.jpg.html)

The lands he stalks through:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20151227_093508_zpsxdji5ugq.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20151227_093508_zpsxdji5ugq.jpg.html)
Hall of the Bandit lord and Cavern of Souls aren't very visible. Two unfoils are: Cavern of Souls (it is a Chinese one, the foil one is to expensive) & Krosan Verge (Which you can't get in foil). Sacred Foundry is French, Ghostquarter is German and there is one Italian.

His little friends:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20151227_093956_zpszwsuelpd.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20151227_093956_zpszwsuelpd.jpg.html)

His clothes:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20151227_093727_zpsofng1ryf.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20151227_093727_zpsofng1ryf.jpg.html)

His tools:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20151227_093857_zpsi0iisxzk.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20151227_093857_zpsi0iisxzk.jpg.html)

Then my Modern Silverblack (Modern without Rare cards)
The creatures:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20151227_094335_zpssqww6mcj.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20151227_094335_zpssqww6mcj.jpg.html)

The spells and artifacts:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20151227_094530_zpsame72pbs.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20151227_094530_zpsame72pbs.jpg.html)

The lands:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/02533bcc-2b71-4cd8-9c65-463f9292d4c9_zpsq50u2apf.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/02533bcc-2b71-4cd8-9c65-463f9292d4c9_zpsq50u2apf.jpg.html)

The sideboard (not yet complete, I'm looking for some specific cards):
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20151227_094732_zpssooshvtd.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20151227_094732_zpssooshvtd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on December 28, 2015, 10:31:14 AM
I fail to see why other language cards are so "pimp". I mean, I have a chinese Pilgrim of Avacyn and a French Viashino Heretic. Don't see anybody screaming at me to buy those.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 28, 2015, 11:31:29 AM
Very nice, Novo!

Uril has to be hated out of the game, or he's likely to win out of nowhere. Kill on sight!


Two unfoils are: Cavern of Souls (it is a Chinese one, the foil one is to expensive) & Krosan Verge (Which you can't get in foil).

Uh, aren't there two Krosan Verges in that photo? You have the planechase one on the bottom row, and another (from the Judgement set, and in a different language) on the top right. It's a foil too...

I noticed because the art is the same on both cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 28, 2015, 05:22:35 PM
syphon, they might be cheaper or more foils available, not necesarily buying them for diff language to add pimp level.

I accidentalyh bought a spanish land once

"refugio en la cima"
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 05, 2016, 09:16:27 AM
Very nice, Novo!

Uril has to be hated out of the game, or he's likely to win out of nowhere. Kill on sight!


Two unfoils are: Cavern of Souls (it is a Chinese one, the foil one is to expensive) & Krosan Verge (Which you can't get in foil).

Uh, aren't there two Krosan Verges in that photo? You have the planechase one on the bottom row, and another (from the Judgement set, and in a different language) on the top right. It's a foil too...

I noticed because the art is the same on both cards.
Rufus, you're a life saver! I changed the Planechase card with an Cathedral of War. I'm curious how well the exalted will do.
And now we know why Uril is such a sad panda, killing on sight! No manners at all  :wink:

@Syphon: some lands/cards are cheaper in foreign languages. The Cavern of Souls was the only one I could trade for, because it was Foreign.

@Finlay: I have a spanish land: Isola. Sounds like vacation! :::cheers:::

We will try out the deck a little on Eurobash  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 07, 2016, 12:10:30 PM
Glad I could help! The cathedral should work well in the deck.


Lots of oath of the gatewatch cards have been revealed while I haven't been paying attention. I'm not sure how I feel about the new colourless mana symbol.

5-colour ally commander!

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/ogw_239nCi30ks3/en_PChmYP81XD.png)

Too bad it does a search though, since it breaks the 'no tutors' rule.


This is amusing, in a biovisionary/maze's end sort of way:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/ogw_239nCi30ks3/en_e66ZBFGveS.png)


The eldrazi get incinerated! Hurrah.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/ogw_239nCi30ks3/en_b2SZEvHnUz.png)


Aggro-mizzet likes this:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/ogw_239nCi30ks3/en_VGG2SNeAk5.png)


This one is interesting, though 4 to activate is a bit much.

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/ogw_239nCi30ks3/en_nToMV3SNof.png)


Roon would like this if he could get the colourless mana:

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/ogw_239nCi30ks3/en_Yq9d9EOL5J.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 13, 2016, 12:43:15 PM
This vs Uril!

(http://media.wizards.com/2015/ogw_239nCi30ks3/en_0VVDCorRFc.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 13, 2016, 05:14:06 PM
Wait, so you need the new dodgy mana specifically? I thought you could just use any colourless.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on January 13, 2016, 08:28:48 PM
It's hard to explain, Finlay.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 13, 2016, 08:52:25 PM
Wait, so you need the new dodgy mana specifically? I thought you could just use any colourless.

Colourless mana is still the same as ever. But now it has a symbol to distinguish it from generic mana.

So you get colourless mana from a sol ring, for example, but not from a swamp.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 13, 2016, 10:12:08 PM
It's  ot the same if it's different from generic mana, surely.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 14, 2016, 11:36:09 AM
Colourless mana and generic mana have always been different things.

Here's a sol ring:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=405389&type=card)

The 1 in the top corner means 1 generic mana. You can pay this with mana of any colour, or with colourless mana.

The 2 it taps for, however, is specifically colourless mana.

Since both are plain numbers, this can be confusing. It was clearer on older cards:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1135&type=card)

This version specifies that the sol ring taps for colourless mana.

The gatherer update now uses the colourless symbol for sol ring, as you can see here:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=405389


Here's another example: unknown shores. It taps to make colourless mana, but is activated with generic mana.

Original with 1 twice:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=373743&type=card)

New version with colourless symbol:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=407691&type=card)

Note that 'one mana of any colour' cannot give colourless mana!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 14, 2016, 12:19:23 PM
They made a sixth colour without changing the whole system.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 14, 2016, 01:03:49 PM

I wish they didn't use the same symbol for generic and colourless previously... guess thats why they're changing it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 14, 2016, 02:14:29 PM

I wish they didn't use the same symbol for generic and colourless previously... guess thats why they're changing it!
Indeed, it will be confusing in the beginning. But everything will work out just fine  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 14, 2016, 10:51:00 PM
Khan's fetch lands are expensive as fuck! Jesus.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 15, 2016, 12:36:10 PM
They did drop down to 6-8 for a while when the market was saturated, but they're back to where they started now. Except for the g/w one which was in a clash pack.

The BFZ duals are down to 3ish though, and are pretty good in commander. Even without fetchlands, you can search them with things like farseek and wood elves. If only they'd printed the enemy colour cycle. Maybe in Innistrad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 15, 2016, 12:37:46 PM
I think I'll buy some temples and bfz duals.

6-8 is still a bit much...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: StealthKnightSteg on January 15, 2016, 12:57:09 PM
speaking of expensive.. anyone here interested in buying my collection, ranging from Mercadian Masques block till Kamigawa block with some from earlier. Especially the Mirrodin block has alot of the pricier cards in my collection.

Estimated value (with 2 smaller collector maps to go) at about US$3000 (did a check on several prize sites) Looking to sell it for 75% of the estimated value

 :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on January 15, 2016, 02:35:15 PM
PM SENT >O
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 19, 2016, 09:09:43 AM
Mina and denn, plus borborygmos is really fun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 21, 2016, 04:37:27 PM
Prophet of Kruphix is banned in commander!

http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18057

At last.

Also, now you're allowed to generate colours that aren't in your commander's colour identity with lands like City of Brass.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 21, 2016, 05:29:14 PM
That's good. We did it after using it about twice.

Generating other colours useful for you... I think it's come up a couple of times after you stole creatures
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2016, 11:47:49 AM
You won't be able to threaten adding the prophet any time Roon loses a game now!  :icon_razz:

The reason they changed the mana rule was the new colourless symbol: otherwise, things like birds of paradise could be used to generate colourless mana, which they can't by the normal magic rules. That actually matters now that colourless mana is specifically required by some cards.

They've also removed the special mulligan rules for commander. No more partial paris: instead, you use the normal magic rules (including the scry). One free mulligan allowed in multiplayer games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 22, 2016, 11:54:42 AM
I think we should keep using partial paris for our gccg games.



remind me of scry rule for normal mulligan?

shuffle your hand into deck, draw 6, then scry 1?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2016, 12:03:24 PM
I'd be fine with keeping partial paris.

Yes, that's how the scry mulligan works.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 22, 2016, 12:31:13 PM
Prophet of Kruphix is banned in commander!

http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18057

At last.

Also, now you're allowed to generate colours that aren't in your commander's colour identity with lands like City of Brass.
So you can play blue cards in a red deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 22, 2016, 12:38:16 PM
No, you still can't do that. The colour identity rules are the same.

But, for example, Derevi's Birds of Paradise can now tap for any colour. Previously, if you tried to get red or black from them (not in Derevi's colour identity), that mana would turn colourless. Now it doesn't.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: StealthKnightSteg on February 05, 2016, 04:12:47 PM
So I got a "merchant" kinda guy look at my mtg collection, but he says that the EU is not a very good market at this time.. So has any of you some connections in the UK or US that might want to take a look at my collection? I got all the numbers down in an excel sheet (all cards above 0,75 $ cents separate rest bulked in just amount of cards) so could send that for a quick review (99-100% of the interesting cards are Mint)

I can try to sell only the "interesting cards" by Ebay but then what to do with all those bulk cards? Trash them? Like no... shudders by that thought. That would give me a bit more then what the merchant is going to give me. But also would cost me a lot of free time to organize that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 05, 2016, 04:25:10 PM
donate your trash tier bulks to a LGS.

sell individual valuable cards on ebay.



If the merchant is not offering you that much less than you reckon on ebay, just take it and be done with the hassle.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 18, 2016, 10:10:43 AM
Ghosts! Innistrad.

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/8V02vpMi07.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/shP7WfGomM.png)


Also, 'Eternal Masters,' or 'I should've sold my wastelands before they reprinted them.'

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/en_f9e7rFQpkc.png)

Force of Will: uncommon to mythic, purely because it's expensive. Bad form!

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/images/daily/en_eu6h6a9zJX.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 18, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
Force of will only eternal master, right? Fuck that spell.

Roon loves eerie interlude, ghost way is expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 18, 2016, 10:33:30 AM
Yes, force of will is for eternal masters... which is an odd idea for a set, since a lot of cards for legacy (like the original dual lands) are on the reserved list and can't be reprinted!

Eerie interlude is mostly better than ghostway, even! The two innistrad cards I posted are from the blessed vs cursed dual deck that comes out next week (also has giest of st traft!). The innistrad set isn't out until April.

I love the art on toppegeist. Ghosts!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 18, 2016, 11:21:16 AM
arent they exactly the same?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 18, 2016, 11:24:38 AM
Ghostway is all your creatures, while this is 'any number of target creatures you control.' So this is better unless your creatures have shroud or don't like being targetted! Ghostway has the drawback of killing your token creatures.

This should also be cheaper to buy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 18, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
Ah of course. I have ghostway in the deck for removal dodging, but I guess this is more flexible as can do removal dodging, or mass ETB triggers as required.

I will buy it anyway, as I never bought ghostway (too expensive!), but use it online!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 23, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
Conspiracy 2!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-conspiracy-2

This August. I thought the first one was a great set.


Meanwhile, the Eternal Masters announcement is causing reserved-list cards to go up in price. According to various webstores, City of Traitors (a card I've been intending to sell for ages) is up to about Ģ100! But somehow I can't believe I'd actually be able to sell it for that much.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 23, 2016, 12:37:25 PM
is it never going to be reprinted? If so isnt the value only ever going to rise?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 23, 2016, 02:57:20 PM
Unless they get rid of the reserve list, or people stop playing legacy.

City of traitors has basically doubled in the last week though. Dodgy.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2016, 12:08:42 PM
Innistrad!


(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/326/635926378839438628.png)

Clue tokens! Arkham Horror!


Black delver of secrets!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/328/635926387270858326.png)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/329/635926387437725153.png)


Innistrad!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 04, 2016, 03:10:44 PM
wow, cool!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
I think Innistrad is going to be great. Much needed after the fairly dull Zendikar block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 04, 2016, 03:59:21 PM
I've only played a couple of times, but I enjoyed Innistrad.

My Hamlet Captain was my hero for my human decks!
(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/isd/187.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 04, 2016, 04:01:39 PM
Yes, he was good. I liked human decks!

Doomed traveler, champion of the parish, gather the townsfolk!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 04, 2016, 04:05:55 PM
and Fiend Hunter, Eldar Cathar, and Thraben Sentry/Militia!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 04, 2016, 04:48:23 PM
gavony township.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 04, 2016, 06:18:32 PM
I'm having pained flashbacks
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Gneisenau on March 04, 2016, 10:12:28 PM
I've only played a couple of times, but I enjoyed Innistrad.

My Hamlet Captain was my hero for my human decks!
(http://magiccards.info/scans/en/isd/187.jpg)

They missed the opportunity to have the flavor text say "Something's rotten in this state."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2016, 02:48:52 PM
Delver continuation! It needs to be a triple-sided card...

(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Aberrant-Researcher.jpg)
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/aberrant-researcher/
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 05, 2016, 06:19:42 PM
Hmm, not very good I don't think!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2016, 06:27:55 PM
Not good, but amusing!

Or there's this:

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/geralfsmasterpiece.jpg)

http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/geralfsmasterpiece.html


Or these:

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/avacynianmissionaries.jpg)
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/lunarchinquisitors.jpg)
http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/avacynianmissionaries.html

Scary!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 06, 2016, 11:52:38 AM
Avacyn! She's gone crazy.

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/archangelavacyn.jpg)

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/avacynthepurifier.jpg)

http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/archangelavacyn.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 06, 2016, 01:13:29 PM
I like those inquisitors!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 07, 2016, 10:48:49 AM
I love the idea of that angel.
She seems scary to play!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 07, 2016, 04:16:50 PM
Thing in the ice!

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_5u2huju8h0.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_GqCTgD9RbU.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 07, 2016, 05:23:05 PM

wow. that's really good and really easy to trigger.
 
There's something moving
Under, under the ice,
Moving under ice,
Through water,
Trying to get out of the cold water.
"It's me."
Something, someone--help them.
"It's me."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 08, 2016, 02:05:56 AM
I'm not really up to date with power levels but thing in the ice seems silly. In a rufus deck that's triggered horribly fast  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 08, 2016, 09:44:21 AM
Yes I think it will be in the archetype tournament decks, provided there are enough good spells.

Although it's easy to avoid the bounce conditions.

Depends what options there are to deal with it. Already seen the avacynian inquisitors.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 08, 2016, 10:27:46 AM
Presumably it has been playtested, so isn't as overpowered as it looks! Casting four instants/sorceries isn't trivial, unless you're in the land of ponder, brainstorm and those ridiculous phyrexian mana spells. Maybe it will just be like a new Ludevic's test subject/abomination: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=221179

It's so good theme-wise that it would be a shame if it were too powerful (and expensive). It looks like the ice is being towed into the hinterland harbor from the first Innistrad set: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=241988
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 08, 2016, 10:35:41 AM
I dont think it will be OP, as you said casting 4 spells is not trivial unless there are good ones, and it's easy to hold back your stuff to not get bounced. They might have a bunch of cheap exile spells. But I think it will see standard play.

but they do miss things in playtesting. cough delver, skullclamp etc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 08, 2016, 11:19:51 AM
You can undo all their effort of removing the counters with a simple bounce spell, like 'just the wind.'

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/justthewind.jpg)

I think the Thing would be scarier if this set had flashback (then you'd only need two cards to flip it), but it doesn't. I'm not sure it's going to be a format-warping Siege Rhino of a card!


Quote
but they do miss things in playtesting. cough delver, skullclamp etc.

That's true (though skullclamp was a last-minute change, and wasn't playtested!). Something this flashy though would surely have been noticed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 08, 2016, 11:30:23 AM

comparing it to ludevic maybe it wont see play!

I'm sad this set doesnt have flashback, I thought it must do with all the grave mechanics we've seen already.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 09, 2016, 05:10:02 PM
Check out this magic cape!

(http://i.imgur.com/JVlbtwJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 09, 2016, 10:12:47 PM
Wow, that's pretty crazy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Sig on March 09, 2016, 10:19:53 PM
Cloak of Invisibility to Women.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 10, 2016, 02:02:44 PM
Cloak of Invisibility to Women.
And most people in general I think  :happy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 10, 2016, 02:32:02 PM
I feel like he deserves some recognition for the considerable effort he went to to make that! Even though I think it's a waste of cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 10, 2016, 02:36:20 PM
I feel MTG has a ton of excess cards that are not ever used and simply are cast aside with each edition. My LGS has a box of cheap common cards they practically beg you to take.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 10, 2016, 02:38:47 PM
That's true. I feel bad about it though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 14, 2016, 03:13:28 PM
Another flippy card:

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_tMSSIenxTO.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_eCERHYb6uR.png)

Transforms from a soul warden into a blood artist! Well, except it only works for your creatures, not all.


Some new lands: enemy-paired uncommon taplands. Quite useful for commander, since there are still far fewer enemy-coloured dual lands than allied ones.

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_H1FrKoi1G1.png)


Nahiri!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/577/635935475293776440.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/shadows-over-innistrad/26740-nahiri-the-harbinger
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2016, 03:13:51 PM
New Odric:

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_0KtJV0DIju.png)

Sharing all of the abilities!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 15, 2016, 06:43:44 PM
That seems rather disgusting. But as I like white and it includes lifelink...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2016, 08:18:09 PM
Maybe we'll see you on gccg again!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 15, 2016, 11:24:55 PM
Is it still working ok? What are you guys mostly playing?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 15, 2016, 11:51:38 PM
Yes, it works fine. We normally do commander, but I'd be happy to play other formats if you fancy it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 16, 2016, 09:12:43 AM
he's amazing.

voltron/equipment deck in white?

add him to marath to spread trample, double strike etc around!



Think i'll definitely add him to Marath.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2016, 10:41:13 AM
I might add him to Derevi. He'd at least be sharing around Derevi's flying.

And Shu Yun: one guy has double strike? Everyone has double strike! I'm not sure he fits the deck theme though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 16, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Okay. That is silly. You say you ban too powerful cards but still allow Derevi?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 16, 2016, 10:57:14 AM
The only problem with that odric is its basically auto include in any white deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 16, 2016, 12:41:38 PM
I do hate auto includes. It flies in the face of giving you so many cards to choose from.

I'll try and get back to the magic thing. I'm afraid recently, blood bowl 2 is just dominating my gaming needs.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 16, 2016, 03:10:51 PM
Every magic set needs at least ten new Jaces! Here's another one.

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_lYCOLf1gCh.png)

Less inevitably, there's also a new Olvia Voldaren.

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_B6wMNczzq2.png)

Less of a troll than the first one. But note the madness-enabling ability! I think I'll make a commander deck with her. Mind you, the art is quite weird. Look at that sword!


Quote
I'll try and get back to the magic thing. I'm afraid recently, blood bowl 2 is just dominating my gaming needs.

This is a good time to come back. It's nearly Innistrad time! The Zendikar block they just did was a bit dull.


Sigarda! A human tribal commander. I wish that ability could target opponent's graveyards though.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/643/635937195504071963.jpeg)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/shadows-over-innistrad/26759-sigarda-herons-grace

I might make a Sigarda deck instead of Olivia. The art is great.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 16, 2016, 05:20:41 PM
olivia seems reasonably interesting as a commander.
grave, aggro, vampire.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2016, 11:14:32 AM
Yes, that's what I was thinking. Aggro-reanimator!


Flippy-card land! Currently in French.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/669/635937876224398971.gif)

T : Add C to your mana pool.
5, T, Pay 1 life: Put a 1/1 white and black Human Cleric creature token onto the battlefield.
5, T, Sacrifice five creatures: Transform Abbey in the Eastern Valley, then untap it.


(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/670/635937876833072652.gif)
Flying, lifelink, indestructible, haste.


Pretty crazy. I can see playing this in Ghave, where sacrificing five creatures is a bit easier.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 17, 2016, 02:42:42 PM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/soringrimnemesis.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2016, 02:54:25 PM
That +1 is pretty brutal. Six mana though!

I wonder what that thing on the cliff behind him is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 17, 2016, 03:25:24 PM
Looks like a cloak blowing in the breeze.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2016, 04:12:04 PM
Oh, it probably is. I thought it was some sort of weird sculpture.


I'm not sure how I feel about all these rare mana creatures:

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_hb1Kt84O1V.png)

It could be uncommon, really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 17, 2016, 04:48:10 PM
Yeah he isn't too good to be uncommon. I guess in an ideal world you'd want him to be 1/2 too...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2016, 04:59:43 PM
Yes, a 1/2 would be better. Harder to kill, but just as good at deathtouching.


Here's a weird land!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/672/635937999645960330.jpeg)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/shadows-over-innistrad/26770-drownyard-temple

Maybe no rare dual lands?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 17, 2016, 05:03:45 PM
You can discard it then get it back. Fits si far.

I have an aversion to rare mana creatures due tk the 40 quid bant one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2016, 11:59:23 PM
It's a useful land, it's just an unusual idea!


These are amusing. Keep searching for those clues!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/681/635938219813120671.png)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/122/682/200/283/635938221440512708.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 18, 2016, 11:04:42 AM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/secondharvest.jpg)

Instant speed token doubler at 2GG. This is going to murder EDH.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2016, 11:36:26 AM
Nasty. Especially good with Omnath's large elemental tokens.

It doubles clues too! Use with Hellkite Tyrant to get the '20 artifact' win!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2016, 03:15:21 PM
A new Champion of the Parish!

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_fYU3PbQijS.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 21, 2016, 10:35:42 AM
(ally coloured) Dual lands:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeEIr4MW4AAxOAP.png)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeEIr4MW4AAxOAP.png

So, they'll probably enter untapped early on in the game, but tapped later. Aggro!


(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/781/635941391654070653.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/shadows-over-innistrad/26799-port-town
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 21, 2016, 11:51:32 AM
I'll buy those. Easy for Mina to use too.

Which reminds me I need to do the bfz ones and temples!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 21, 2016, 12:11:24 PM
They're definitely good for Mina, and for any two-colour EDH deck. I'm not sure I'd use them in 3-colour though - too likely to enter tapped.


Quote
Which reminds me I need to do the bfz ones and temples!

Yes! The BFZ ones might go up once Khans rotates.



Also: mass bounce card with sea monster art!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/775/635941137387093224.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/shadows-over-innistrad/26797-engulf-the-shore

Yes please.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 21, 2016, 12:45:54 PM
That's some nice art.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 21, 2016, 12:46:37 PM
That's some nice art.

Agreed, some of the art is really getting nice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 21, 2016, 02:55:24 PM
There's some mediocre art in this set, but a lot of good stuff too.


Both of these look pretty great for human decks. Clues!

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_ZfmLqEz6Ay.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_2LuQqi2Dqj.png)


Tracker is surely worth putting in Finlay's Mina and Denn deck. I like the look of it for Ghave too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 22, 2016, 06:39:44 PM
Emrakul better not be in Eldritch Moon...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 23, 2016, 02:43:01 PM
Giant evil frog legend!

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_LsYpeyc5Iu.png)

 :Ohmy:

I think I need to use this as a commander.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 23, 2016, 02:48:00 PM
looks fun. I've enjoyed my land messing around with Mina and Borbo.

If you claim him i'm having olivia!
(Frog dude looks fun but I think better off being built by you than me)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 23, 2016, 02:53:22 PM
I want to claim all of them!

I think an Olivia deck will be extremely annoying to play against (vampires have some deeply aggravating cards), so I'd rather you didn't use her!  :icon_razz:

I love the frog monster.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 23, 2016, 03:05:05 PM
I think i need at least 3 more decks which work ok and are ok to play against.

At the moment it's only really Erebos and Mina.
Marath is a bit weak, and generally just makes me wish i was playing Mina and Roon is annoying to play against!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 23, 2016, 03:25:10 PM
Marath seems pretty good to me.

Roon is fine to play against, provided the deck isn't working!  :icon_razz: If he gets his blink engine going it becomes depressing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 23, 2016, 07:31:44 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/122/898/200/283/635943381011742948.jpeg)

hell to tha yeh
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 23, 2016, 10:06:04 PM
That's good! Even if you cast it for four it's a clone that can't be countered. Then it scales up as you spend more mana. Nice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 24, 2016, 11:00:29 AM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/survivethenight.jpg)

(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/humblethebrute.jpg)

(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/stitchwingskaab.jpg)

(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/uninvitedgeist.jpg)

(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/unimpededtrespasser.jpg)

(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/seasonspast.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 24, 2016, 12:16:04 PM
Those unblocka-Geists will be in a standard archetype I think.

Holy mother of seasons past. Only one more mana than restock. incredible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 24, 2016, 12:25:40 PM
So Seasons Past can return one card per possible mana cost, right? One card that costs 0 (land!), one that costs 1, one that costs 2, and so on. That could be quite limiting.

I like the ghost.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 24, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
Uninvited geist is some great punnery!

I feel like that's the first humour they've shown in quite some time...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 24, 2016, 02:23:55 PM
So Seasons Past can return one card per possible mana cost, right? One card that costs 0 (land!), one that costs 1, one that costs 2, and so on. That could be quite limiting.

I like the ghost.

Limiting? EDH loves that card. Land, Crop Rotation, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Harrow, Oracle of Mul-Daya. 0 to 4 CMC.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 24, 2016, 06:25:18 PM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/creepingdread.jpg)

(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/fromunderthefloorboards.jpg)

(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/ulvenwaldhydra.jpg)

(http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/hopeagainsthope.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 24, 2016, 06:45:00 PM
that hydra wants to go in Mina deck, and the zombie card wants to go in Erebos badly!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 24, 2016, 11:55:20 PM
I quite like this:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/122/972/635944308954063725.jpeg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on March 25, 2016, 02:14:29 AM
My surprise at your liking that card is precisely zero :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 25, 2016, 03:13:51 PM
Entire spoiler is up now, friends.

www.mythicspoiler.com
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 25, 2016, 03:20:49 PM
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/topplegeist.jpg)

This one looks annoying for opponents!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 25, 2016, 03:39:15 PM
I'm excited by the inclusion of more horses. Some day, horse.dec will be a reality!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 25, 2016, 04:25:46 PM
There's a mole monster!

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_9ZEXA1rCzk.png)

I really like this set.

Flashback! Sort of:

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/aksdjciawolkcc0_soi/en_3iSdXWC0hf.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on March 25, 2016, 06:00:47 PM
Giestblast is channeling some hardcore Mr Freeze:

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/8/88/Mr_Freeze_%28Arnold_Schwarzenegger%29_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111122031414)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 26, 2016, 09:47:01 AM
When does it rotate in?

I should buy the bfz lands before khans goes out.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 26, 2016, 10:52:55 AM
The set is released on the 8th of April, which is also when Khans and Fate Reforged rotate out of standard.



Quote
Giestblast is channeling some hardcore Mr Freeze:

Ha, so it is!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 26, 2016, 04:40:35 PM
Which lands, Finlay? The fetch lands?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Gankom on March 31, 2016, 04:33:55 PM
I thought people might like to see this, if they havn't already.

http://nerdist.com/magic-the-gathering-meets-starcraft-in-amazing-custom-deck-set/

Fan made cards and decks based on StarCraft.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 01, 2016, 10:39:59 AM
I don't know anything about starcraft, but that's been very well done!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 01, 2016, 11:53:53 AM
I did download it. Might try it some day, but have enough board/card games on the backlog as is.

Prerelease this weekend. Anybody going?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 01, 2016, 11:59:38 AM
I'm going to the pre-release tomorrow. It's only the third one I've been to, and the first without seeded packs.

I'm hoping for the Gitrog Monster to show up in one of my boosters!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 01, 2016, 12:18:45 PM
The math is not by your side.

The chance on getting a mythic is one in eight. Too low to count on ;)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 01, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
I didn't get a mythic in either of my previous pre-release packs, so I'm due one this time. That's how probability works, right?  :icon_razz:

Maybe I can sacrifice someone to summon the doomfrog.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 01, 2016, 12:32:54 PM
Sure. Just throw a dying person in the nearest body of water and off you go. Doomfrog cometh.



Edit: So I'm making my own set. Would some of you be willing to playtest it when it exits development?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 01, 2016, 10:54:44 PM
Are you? That's interesting!

I'm not sure how playtesting would work though, since I normally just play on gccg.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 02, 2016, 05:17:33 AM
I'm sure even GCCG can be trained to accept a new set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 02, 2016, 04:36:13 PM
I wouldn't know how though.

Anyway, I didn't win my pre-release! I went 2-0, 1-2, 1-2, 2-0. Six wins is OK! I came very close to winning the middle two matches.

I played red/green aggro, in classic Finlay style. The key card was planeswalker Arlin, who won me the game everytime she appeared. She's also currently one of the set's most expensive cards.

So hurrah!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on April 02, 2016, 04:40:41 PM
So you went to a prerelease match?

How does your group divide cards to keep?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 02, 2016, 04:47:08 PM
It was sealed deck. Six boosters each, which you keep! You make a 40 card deck from your boosters. If you win, you get more boosters!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 02, 2016, 04:56:02 PM
So you went to a prerelease match?

How does your group divide cards to keep?

There's no dividing up cards in the prerelease. The packs you open are yours.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 02, 2016, 06:55:22 PM
getting her makes it worth it even without nwinning. Shame you didn't win.

I quite want t use her in Marath!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 02, 2016, 07:48:50 PM
They gave everyone two boosters just for playing, so it was even more worth it! I was one mana away from winning in one game. Opponent was on 6 life, but I could only x-spell him for 5. Then he activated that land that turns into a demon. Booo!

Arlin is really good. I might make a Surrak EDH deck for real and put her in it.

I wore my Count von Count T-shirt as a tribute to Innistrad, but I don't think anyone noticed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 03, 2016, 10:56:10 AM
I didn't get a mythic in either of my previous pre-release packs, so I'm due one this time. That's how probability works, right?

This turned out to be true, since I got two mythics! The other was mindwrack demon, which I didn't play. Though the chances of getting a mythic are higher than normal, because each pack has a double-faced card (which can be any rarity) as well as the normal rare/mythic.

I didn't get the Gitrog Monster, but I did kill one in a game.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 03, 2016, 05:17:03 PM
Had Nahiri and Odric. Neither did f-all.
Also, my promo was a fucking Confirm Suspicions. AAAAAAAAARGH.

First opponent had a promo Nahiri.
Friend of mine had a promo Sorin (and a regular Sorin)
etc etc etc.

So far, the set did not impress me. Herp-derp fliers still seems viable. And that is the dumbest strategy since..well...last time we went to innistrad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 06, 2016, 10:17:02 AM
I like the set!

I'm considering making a standard werewolves deck, but I suspect it will be annoying to have a deck with that many double-faced cards. Also, maybe I don't want to play standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 06, 2016, 04:32:52 PM
i'm considering making an EDH werewolves deck, but i hate how hard it is to look at flipped cards on gccg!

I don't really like sealed anymore, and I think in the past I used to prefer it to standard.... I can always try and make a standard deck and we can try a few games, they're quicker if they're shit!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 06, 2016, 05:10:50 PM
Yes, let's try playing standard to see if it sucks!

I'm not sure if werewolves are good in edh. But I'm going to use a few with Surrak.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 06, 2016, 07:02:15 PM
Yes, let's try playing standard to see if it sucks!

I'm not sure if werewolves are good in edh. But I'm going to use a few with Surrak.

Werewolves can be good if you use the right tools. However, it all depends on the presence of a werewolf legend. If they don't FINALLY print Ulrich in Eldritch Moon, THERE WILL BE BLOOD! Or even Tovolar. Or Skaharra. Just...a RG werewolf legend, dammit!  :icon_evil:

I
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 07, 2016, 11:21:49 AM
Presumably the werewolf legend will be Ulrich, since there's this card in SOI:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=409943&type=card)

Unless they're trolling us.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 07, 2016, 01:06:05 PM
Presumably the werewolf legend will be Ulrich, since there's this card in SOI:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=409943&type=card)

Unless they're trolling us.

I have very little hope we'll see him in Eldritch Moon. The more I think about it, the more likely I feel he might be in the next EDH product as a secondary commander.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 07, 2016, 01:15:11 PM
arent they going to eldrazi it a bit?
shadows over innistrad = shadows over innmouth?
although it would be weird (and annoying) to have eldrazi focused sets twice in a row.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 07, 2016, 02:26:25 PM
I'd be surprised if werewolf man appeared in commander, since apparently it's a hassle to print double-faced cards in precons (then again, they do double-faced tokens, so maybe not!). He'll surely be in eldritch moon, as with the 5-colour ally legend that appeared in guildwatch rather than battle for zendikar. They've even talked about the lack of a werewolf legend on the wizards site.


Quote
arent they going to eldrazi it a bit?

I was hoping it wasn't going to turn out to be Emrakul, since I don't like eldrazi at all. But everything is hinting very strongly in that direction.

The plot seems to be that Nahiri is drawing Emrakul to Innistrad as revenge against Sorin, and Emrakul's approach is causing the madness and corruption. But it could still be something else!


On an unrelated note, I got five of the six different clue tokens in my prerelease boosters. I need that last clue!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 07, 2016, 03:41:40 PM
I was hoping it wasn't going to turn out to be Emrakul, since I don't like eldrazi at all. But everything is hinting very strongly in that direction.

The plot seems to be that Nahiri is drawing Emrakul to Innistrad as revenge against Sorin, and Emrakul's approach is causing the madness and corruption. But it could still be something else!


Well, currently that is the explanation I lean towards. Nahiri was pissed that Sorin wasn't there when the Eldrazi Titans got freed from their prison. I.e. Nahiri blames Sorin for the near destruction of her homeplane. That is why she made the cryptoliths that lead to the drownyard, where cultists worship...something. The circle at the drownyard is basically the landing strip for Emrakul, indicating where she is supposed to land. I.e. one gigantic lure. How is it a landing strip? It is my belief that the cryptoliths are channeling ley lines to one point, making for a huge focal point of mana. Obviously that will attract Emrakul.

That the madness and corruption is due to Emrakul is hinted at in multiple cards. Take, for instance, Paranoid Parish-Blade.

(http://i.imgur.com/SROaMLc.jpg)

Look closely at his left hand. Well, it doesn't have to be closely since it's practically screaming at you in that resolution.

Then there's obviously Grotesque Mutation.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfAh1N4UAAA_c28.jpg)

Now what do we know that also had purplish/reddish/blueish tentacles?

Oh right.
(http://archive.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/wallpapers/WP_Emrakul_1280x960.jpg)

There might be some more hints in other cards, but I haven't found them so far.

Lastly, some whispers abound that Nahiri destroyed Markov Manor because Sorin spread vampirism to Zendikar way back when.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2016, 11:58:38 AM
I suppose I don't mind it being Emrakul, provided we don't get loads more eldrazi cards with devoid. Maybe Jace and friends will stop Emrakul from actually manifesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 09, 2016, 12:56:54 PM
Random old card time: this isn't as good as Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, but look at that Edgar Allan Poe quote!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1707&type=card)

"Resignedly beneath the sky/The melancholy waters lie./So blend the turrets and shadows there/That all seem pendulous in air,/While from a proud tower in town/Death looks gigantically down."
—Edgar Allan Poe, "The City in the Sea"


I'm going to put it in a commander deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 09, 2016, 03:28:33 PM
Is it me or is something weird going on with the rare distribution of rares in SOI?

Last night I went to the release party. Absolute jank. Brain in a jar levels of jank. Welcome to the fold levels of jank.

A friend of mine opened his SIXTH Sorin in TWO events. I get rattlechains.

An opponent opened TWO Geralf's masterpiece, a Westvale Abbey. I get angel of deliverance.

I get inexorable blob. I get harness the storms.

What the hell.


Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 09, 2016, 03:46:19 PM
1) didnt you get one of the super rare bfz lands?
2) the house always wins.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on April 09, 2016, 03:57:09 PM
1) didnt you get one of the super rare bfz lands?
2) the house always wins.

1) Yes. Which I still haven't sold and was once worth 400€ and now bottoms out at 160€
2) None of those people were the house.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 14, 2016, 11:01:15 AM
Avacyn started out expensive and is going higher! Ģ34!

Tireless Tracker at Ģ6.20 is pretty crazy. I should have bought more than one... but maybe it's boring to put one in every EDH deck with green.

Declaration in Stone has gone up a lot too, which is nice because I got one in a pre-release booster.

I want Westveil Abbey and Thing in the Ice to price-drop.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 14, 2016, 07:42:43 PM
I just bought myself a Mina and denn edh deck.... And forgot to buy Mina and denn

Herpderp
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 14, 2016, 11:19:21 PM
Ha! That's an unfortunate card to forget.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on April 25, 2016, 09:49:48 AM
So which decks are you guys bringing for the Bash?
I (and Daphné) will bring:
*EDH deck;
*Tiny Leader;
*Modern (I will also bring my Silverblack Modern deck).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 25, 2016, 09:51:36 AM
I'm bringing three edh decks.

Erebos
Mina and denn
Marath.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 25, 2016, 11:02:20 AM
I don't have a modern deck, and I don't like tiny leaders. So I'll be bringing EDH and maybe a couple of casual decks, like ghosts or cows.

I'm not sure which EDH decks to bring. Derevi never seems to do well at multiplayer. Maybe Ghave, Teferi, Niv Mizzet and Surrak?  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on April 25, 2016, 01:24:44 PM
Then you will face Daretti or Uril from me.
Daphné will bring Ob-Nixilis.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 25, 2016, 01:37:07 PM
Maybe I'll modify Ghave into a Dark Side deck with tutors and other dodgy things!  ::heretic::

Though he actually won a five-player game the other day despite the presence of evil decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 25, 2016, 01:50:52 PM

None of the decks were too bad at previous eurobashes apart from kiki jiki trying to combo off and uril trying to one shot people!

Daretii recursion artifact deck is bound to be combo-tastic and dodgy! kill kill kill.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on April 25, 2016, 02:22:37 PM

None of the decks were too bad at previous eurobashes apart from kiki jiki trying to combo off and uril trying to one shot people!

Daretii recursion artifact deck is bound to be combo-tastic and dodgy! kill kill kill.
Wort-Boggart Auntie (and Kiki-Jikki) are no longer with us, they have left to the goblin heaven.
Daretti isn't that strong, just fun with large artifacts.
Uril is the most potent, but it puts a large bull eye on his forehead.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 25, 2016, 02:28:31 PM
Both times we hated you out of games you were 1/2 turns away from winning!
Infact didn't you resolve a kiki infinite combo on us, and we reset cos it was early?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 25, 2016, 02:31:28 PM
Nothing can be worse than the turn 6 combo-win Azami deck I have had the misfortune to play against.

I might bring my Ghave upgrades with me and put them in if I get annoyed!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 21, 2016, 03:21:34 PM
Lots of magic announcements:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcement-day-2016-05-16

Commander 16 is 4-coloured decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 21, 2016, 04:23:16 PM
Shit. I get mana screwed jn 3 colour. Can't be bothered to buy all the duals!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 21, 2016, 04:27:44 PM
They'll need to work hard on the mana-fixing for these decks! Though both sets of three-colour decks were weak there.

You may as well play five-colour as four, really. Unless the new commanders are really good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 23, 2016, 10:58:13 AM
Spoilers for eternal masters are starting. So far, along with force of will and wasteland, we've got daze and chrome mox.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/124/305/200/283/635995734371646959.jpeg)

All four of those have been increased in rarity! In a set where boosters already cost way more than normal.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on May 24, 2016, 07:24:16 AM
I'm hope some more good cards will follow. But I'm rather suspicious after the Modern Masters releases.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 04, 2016, 11:57:09 AM
They ended up printing some good cards, but also a lot of junk. I'm amazed by how many things they reprinted that have already been in recent commander sets or duel decks. Or worse, cards from recent sets like conspiracy and magic origins! And they put the 'gain a life' dual lands from Khans in, for some reason.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/eternal-masters

A lot of the good reprints are cards I already have (wasteland, sylvan library, vampiric/mystical/enlightened tutor, vindicate). I'd quite like a maze of ith or a sensei's divining top, but it's not worth risking the expensive boosters.

Some of the new art is nice though.

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/adhfianalodifdj2_EMA/en_JpOYcwoJY3.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/adhfianalodifdj2_EMA/en_S09dOn3vaJ.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/adhfianalodifdj2_EMA/en_PIsyYjbf4K.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: HoS on June 11, 2016, 09:07:14 PM
Man, I really liked making cubes. I used to have a group of about 6-8 friends that would get together to play so I had a 360 and 720 card cube setup going on. I dunno if this came up but a cube is a set of cards with absolutely no repeat cards at all, balanced to contain an predetermined mix of the different colors. I always made my with equal numbers of each color, but would intentionally build in or build around certain archetypes.
 For example I had a 720 card cube that lent itself very nicely to running a red-green goblin deck supported by elves for increased rush as well as lategame power. That same cube could also be drafted to have a green-black-white reanimation themed deck complete with Grizzlebrand on turn 2 type shenanigans. Or you could build an American Nuke deck, replete with Thundering Skymaw's, Miracle bomb cards and counter spells and boardwipes tucked behind cantrips. I really loved drafting those cubes, it was always intense trying to make the right deck to counter what you thought your opponents were drafting and then duking it out all night.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2016, 10:55:46 AM
That sounds like fun! I've yet to try drafting.

The shop I play at is doing some sort of competitive EDH event this Friday. I'm not sure it's a good idea - EDH is really a broken format that requires self-restriction to be any fun.  :icon_confused:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 15, 2016, 12:07:58 PM
It's like Darth Vader and Palpatine trying to tempt Luke
"You don't know the powaaaahhhh of the dark side"

tutor up Ghave and give it a go!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2016, 01:04:21 PM
Ha, I suppose I should! I was thinking about unleashing Dark Side Ghave anyway!

In addition to survival of the fittest, demonic tutor and vampiric tutor, I think these two work especially well with Ghave thanks to his sacrificing powers:

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=15138&type=card)
Surprise aura shards/dictate of erebos/cathar's crusade!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=15234&type=card)
Surprise creature!

I'd better put sudden spoiling in too to wreck combos.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 15, 2016, 03:30:27 PM
I wonder if combo wanker will go worse? Or if he's already at max level, and doesn't win all the time.

You might rek everyone!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2016, 04:58:01 PM
Everyone will play their meanest decks instead of their casual ones. So instead of one or two horrible decks there will be loads!

I might end up storming out in a rage!  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2016, 10:38:08 PM
Or I could just play elephant tribal!

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-commander-tribal-elephants-81

Amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 16, 2016, 06:58:20 AM
If you see Uril, say "hey" to him from me (his best friend) :biggriin:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 16, 2016, 10:12:32 AM
I've yet to encounter another Uril deck in the wild, but if I do I will!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 18, 2016, 04:33:23 PM
Ghave did wreck everyone in one game, but not in the other game.

No Urils were around.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 20, 2016, 10:52:59 AM
I think Eldritch Moon spoilers start today. 99% chance of Emrakul.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 20, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
Yes. Disappointing
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 20, 2016, 01:42:44 PM
Ghave did wreck everyone in one game, but not in the other game.

No Urils were around.
That is because they are shy!
He looks mean, but is a real sweety in real life. A little like his master :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 20, 2016, 01:46:39 PM
Ha! We'll have to be nicer to Uril next time we see him!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 20, 2016, 04:14:16 PM
It was Emrakul.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/125/134/200/283/636020122302452315.png)

I hope it doesn't ruin Innistrad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 20, 2016, 04:27:51 PM
my least favourite theme/plane, invading and ruining my 2nd fav :(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 20, 2016, 05:04:20 PM
It's a bit depressing!

But:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/142/636020329502718235.png)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/140/636020327192907413.png)

Werewolf legend at last!


I don't approve of this though:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/164/636020407540097641.jpeg)

Stay in exile!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 21, 2016, 10:31:32 AM
in exile or outside the game. So doesnt even need to be in the deck? wtf.
do not want.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 21, 2016, 10:41:54 AM
Well, the EDH rules don't allow you to fetch cards from outside the game (see the various 'wish' cards from past sets), so the most it can do is fetch back an exiled card. It's still annoying though.

In standard/modern/legacy, fetching from 'outside the game' means 'from your sideboard.'


I'm going to make an edh deck for werewolf guy (only on GCCG) but I don't think he's that good as a commander.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 21, 2016, 11:34:16 AM
you can purposefully not cast stuff to get a big removal spell. but yeh, not that exciting. Doesn't make me want to use him over mina and denn or borboboss.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 21, 2016, 11:45:11 AM
It's really annoying to keep track of the transformation triggers in multiplayer games too! It's bad enough with just one or two werewolves in the deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 22, 2016, 04:11:58 PM
Oh no!  :ph34r:

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/hanweirthewrithingtownship.jpg)

http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/hanweirthewrithingtownship.html

We don't know what the front side is yet.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 22, 2016, 07:29:32 PM
That's actually... really cool.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 22, 2016, 09:47:13 PM
I think this set could be good! They might have found a way to make eldrazi interesting at last.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 25, 2016, 09:40:38 AM
Can we blame Emrakul's mind control powers for the referendum result?

Everyone at friday night magic voted remain, so magic players must be immune to the corruption.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 26, 2016, 12:13:08 AM
Education, statistical analysis, using your brain, young.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 27, 2016, 03:27:47 PM
Yes, that explains it.


So, back in Innistrad:

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_pURGNFqt1U.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_uJGVW5UTRn.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_3MOSiS74XX.png)

 :icon_exclaim:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 27, 2016, 03:59:32 PM
Interesting.

2/3 that makes tokens fkr 3 probably standard playable. Wonder if the melding is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 27, 2016, 09:31:59 PM
The land is pretty good by itself too. I think melded cards will be very awkward on GCCG though!


This is a bit search-tastic:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/292/636026242208836137.png)

And here's Thalia herself, tapping your stuff.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/290/636026234859574339.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 28, 2016, 10:01:59 AM
This is quite useful!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/125/297/200/283/636026484381694591.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 28, 2016, 10:14:02 AM
Oo, I like the double utility.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on June 28, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
The Meld mechanic looks rather interesting :-D
Fluffy, yes. Powerful, No.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 28, 2016, 10:26:58 AM
The angel meld card is quite horrific. I don't really want to post the image!


Edit: the delver of secrets saga continues!
(http://www.manaleak.com/magic-the-gathering/images/docent_of_perfection_final_iteration.jpg)
http://www.manaleak.com/magic-the-gathering/images/docent_of_perfection_final_iteration.jpg
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 28, 2016, 11:36:44 AM
wow, thats pretty good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 29, 2016, 08:02:53 AM
It is!

Now, evil (post-referendum) version of that green tree from the original Innistrad:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/340/636027489919484616.jpeg)

I suppose the original was evil too, since it was a hanging tree. So call this the more evil version.

In EDH, it's more troll-tastic than a back table post by Grutch.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 29, 2016, 10:50:09 AM
Lots of instant/sorcery support in this set. Plus, books in the artwork! Which I always like.

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/curioushomunculus.jpg)
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/voraciousreader.jpg)
http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/curioushomunculus.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 29, 2016, 03:36:03 PM
Hmmm.

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_alMF8AICd6.png)

This is a bit dull, somehow.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2016, 12:37:04 PM
Red version of classic troll-card donate:

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/harmlessoffering.jpg)
http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/harmlessoffering.html

I'm sure there was an article on the wizards site a couple of weeks ago that talked about donate being a serious mistake!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 30, 2016, 12:37:49 PM
That art though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2016, 12:39:20 PM
Yes, amazing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2016, 03:05:22 PM
Land!

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_ayNiEZ76kB.png)

Nice art.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 01, 2016, 09:55:13 PM
Tamiyo!

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/tamiyofieldresearcher.jpg)
http://www.mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/tamiyofieldresearcher.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on July 01, 2016, 10:49:00 PM
She's kind of amazing.  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 01, 2016, 10:57:11 PM
Yes! Very strong.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 04, 2016, 07:21:22 AM
Counter everything!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/472/636031776535806039.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/eldritch-moon/27327-summary-dismissal
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 04, 2016, 11:58:48 AM
Tamiyo gonna be expensive as fuck. Her plus 1 is amazing, and only need it three times before you've wkn the game!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 04, 2016, 01:35:32 PM
Spider legend.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/480/636032160516717744.jpeg)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/eldritch-moon/27331-ishkanah-grafwidow
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 04, 2016, 07:19:18 PM
I forget in EDH, if the card has a black symbol as an ability does it count as green/black?
If so it would make a nice commander for a very themey spider deck. I was going to say pretty bad as most spiders are average but the black side could be where all your punch comes from. Still probably a bit mediocre if you really hold fast to just spiders but maybe not terrible? Just lots of spiders and nasty kill spells and life drain stuff!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 04, 2016, 07:53:49 PM
yes it enables g/b.
Not very good card, though :(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 04, 2016, 08:38:46 PM
It's not as exciting as the Gitrog toad was, but at least there's a spider legend at last. You can probably make a decent spider-themed deck. Don't forget that land that regenerates spiders! Swarmyard?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on July 05, 2016, 05:49:18 AM
I think you could build a pretty good spider recursion deck with golgari.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on July 05, 2016, 09:54:52 AM
It's not as exciting as the Gitrog toad was, but at least there's a spider legend at last. You can probably make a decent spider-themed deck. Don't forget that land that regenerates spiders! Swarmyard?
Yes, but also Squirrel, Insect and Rat.
We need a Squirrel legend and more Squirrel cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 05, 2016, 10:11:52 AM
We certainly must have a squirrel legend! Rat has been done a few times, and I think insect has as well.


Quote
I think you could build a pretty good spider recursion deck with golgari.

I think so too, but the spider legend doesn't do all that much to enable it. It would be nice theme-wise though.


Zombie!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/496/636032728525311190.png)

Lilian saves the world!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/481/636032224186820079.png)

Land. Not the most useful ability, but I like the picture.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/482/636032224847904253.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 05, 2016, 04:00:45 PM
Dragon!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_ht8Lsr1ZtJ.png)

If someone tries to kill this with declaration in stone or whatever, they kill all their own creatures too!


Weird ghost.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/125/519/636033239449551972.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 05, 2016, 09:17:31 PM
Give that mass a ping ability and it would be pretty nice! Especially in say EDH where you constantly face giant monsters.

Back to the spider thing, I guess it would be fairly easy to get the four diff card types in your graveyard so maybe you just concentrate on either token boosting or I'm guessing black can do some disgusting things with token sacrificing too... I'll admit he is probably too expensive as is his ability but on the plus side green can make lots of mana!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on July 06, 2016, 03:03:08 AM
Give that mass a ping ability and it would be pretty nice! Especially in say EDH where you constantly face giant monsters.

That was my first thought as well.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 06, 2016, 09:02:59 AM
Oh, combat damage though...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
Yes. It would be too good otherwise! Still worth playing though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on July 06, 2016, 03:44:02 PM
Isn't there a creature that you can tap to make creatures fight? Would that work? But yeah it's a pretty good deterrent to attacks and if you manage to make it fly or have reach, double annoying.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2016, 04:38:25 PM
I'm afraid 'fight' effects don't count as combat damage. Giving it first strike would be good though, so it gets to transform the other creature before that creature deals damage.


I like this:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/125/531/200/283/636033974578782383.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2016, 08:59:44 AM
Blue version of song of the dryads (nearly).

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_QQQRzYsSKX.png)

EDH!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on July 08, 2016, 06:13:03 PM
I like this:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/125/531/200/283/636033974578782383.png)

Like a more balanced version of Fact or Fiction.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2016, 12:14:25 PM
More balanced, but also more fun.

The full set is up now:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/eldritch-moon

I like it. I'm still not keen on eldrazi, but this presentation of them is far better than in the zendikar sets.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 11, 2016, 12:39:32 PM
not up on gatherer yet?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 11, 2016, 01:31:55 PM
It normally takes them a few more days to add it to gatherer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 14, 2016, 05:01:42 PM
So there are no interesting edh commander's in this set
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 15, 2016, 07:23:13 AM
I think the spider and the werewolf are OK, but not hugely exciting. Gisa and Geralf aren't as good as Grimgrin as a U/B zombie commander. Thalia is too trollish. That just leaves Emrakul and the meld angels, which aren't really appropriate choices either.

Conspiracy 2 is due next month, and that will probably have some good ones.


Ha, some people think the spider legend will be good in Standard! Partly because ghost tribal looks really powerful, and spiders (as in real life) eat ghosts.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 21, 2016, 10:44:27 PM
I didn't post this one before, but surely it's insane in EDH:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=414474&type=card)

Gitrog monster!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 01, 2016, 02:59:13 PM
Contents for From The Vault: Lore:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/vault-lore-2016-08-01

And Duel Decks: Nissa vs. Ob Nixilis:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/duel-decks-nissa-vs-ob-nixilis-2016-08-01


Not that interesting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 04, 2016, 08:04:55 PM
(http://www.manaleak.com/mtguk/files/2016/03/TRISKAIDEKAPHOBIA-13.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 04, 2016, 09:36:37 PM
Ha, amazing.

I've put that in my Karlov deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 04, 2016, 09:43:12 PM
it also uses 13 13 times.
9 in the picture, both the rules stanzas, plus 2 actual 13s in the rule stanzas
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 04, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Thirteentastic.


Edit: so close to beating Finlay with flying pigs! So close!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Ursa Doom on August 05, 2016, 05:25:46 PM
This is one of the weirdest things I have read all year.

http://wizardsmagic.tumblr.com/post/148459722916/if-you-read-yesterdays-magic-story-laid-to-rest
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 05, 2016, 06:04:40 PM
Why?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Ursa Doom on August 05, 2016, 06:25:02 PM
Why?

Because it reads like a premature groveling apology on what is really a trivial matter and that they went through some ridicilous lengths on certain matters.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 05, 2016, 07:16:15 PM
What ridiculous lengths on what matters?

I don't think what they write is weird at all, let alone the weirdest thing I've read this year.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2016, 09:48:13 AM
They're explaining their efforts to portray a darker-skinned female character in a positive way at a time when the internet (and the gaming community in particular) is full of unapologetic racism and sexism.


Here's the kind of comment I've seen on MTG Salvation about the character:

Quote
The timing of this character's introduction positively reeks of painful commercialism and corporate pandering...

...It's also highly unfortunate that her antagonist in the story is a successful white male dressed in republican red whose villainy involves mistreating a woman.

Because white male republicans are the victims in society, obviously. If only they had more representation in... everything ever.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Ursa Doom on August 06, 2016, 10:00:06 AM
I just find the entire thing contrived and awkward to read. Why would you need a black people consult to write a black person who doesn't have a real world background? Melanin doesn't decide your personality or social background. Their entire thought process being presented seems like they are admiting that they don't know aning about people and they need to hire a people consult to write about people. :dry:

Maybe I'm just getting old, or I'm the one who's crazy?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 06, 2016, 12:13:30 PM
Of course your ethnicity is an absolutely massive part of your social background. Baffles me anyone could suggest otherwise tbh.

A nerdy white man thought he couldn't write authentically about a black female character, so asked for some help, in a subculture that is basically toxically sexist and racist.

What's weird about that?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Ursa Doom on August 06, 2016, 01:16:43 PM
I'm just gonna drop this subject.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 06, 2016, 01:23:28 PM
Good plan.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2016, 03:39:22 PM
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_RfLLcp8FCz.png)

Weird abilities!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2016, 04:31:32 PM
im confused.

shes total shite isnt she?

Presume the exile thing is abusable in some way Im not good enough to know about?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2016, 04:51:49 PM
She doesn't look that good to me either!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2016, 04:58:40 PM
does her 0 reset her loyalty to 5?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 10, 2016, 05:19:20 PM
I dunno, reliable recursion can be pretty good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2016, 10:33:56 PM
Flickering her does reset her loyalty to 5, since she comes in as a new object. That also triggers some of the 'oath' enchantments that have an effect when a planeswalker comes into play (Liliana's oath makes a zombie token).

Her two minus abilities aren't very exciting. And yet they also annoy everyone in a multiplayer game because they hit all opponents!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2016, 10:34:57 PM
If she drew a card fkr each discard for her -2, would be tasty.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2016, 10:42:50 PM
That's what I thought it said at first (like the card 'syphon mind'), but no!

Still, it's hard to judge how good planeswalkers actually are. Maybe she's better than she looks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2016, 10:44:19 PM
People on mtgs didn't overwhelmingly hate her.

I like her art at least!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2016, 09:33:18 AM
Much better art-wise than the last conspiracy planeswalker (Dak Faydan, who looks like a fool).

She can blink an opponent's creature for a long time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 11, 2016, 09:49:57 AM

She might be quite good politically "I'll blink this nasty creature, now you guys attack him."
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2016, 10:09:57 AM
Counterbalanced by making them all lose life and discard cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 11, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
Seems like she'd be handy with allies. Just keep blinking various ones, would be nasty! Maybe also artifact decks? Blink the creatures to pump the non creatures?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on August 12, 2016, 08:11:15 AM
There are many creatures which have an enter the battlefield effect...
I think she can power up a nasty deck in EDH and Legacy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 12, 2016, 08:31:40 AM
If you just want to blink your own stuff though, you could use Venser:

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=212240

But don't, because blink decks are annoying!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 12, 2016, 08:47:13 AM
Roon says hi.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 12, 2016, 08:55:39 AM
The Roon deck I played against last week nearly put me off magic. I'm not sure I want to go tonight, in fact.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 12, 2016, 11:09:20 AM
yeh pretty easy to gross it up with a few dodgy blue cards and planes walkers!
Couple of vensers, glen elendra archmage, deadeye navigator.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 12, 2016, 01:18:16 PM
It's pretty lame if you either have to knock someone out of the game early, before they can get their blink engine going, or you get locked down and are unable to do anything. Boring either way!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 14, 2016, 12:42:21 PM
I think that's why we've always had to struggle when working out what we feel is ok to include and what isn't. It seems like the one big flaw in mtg, their need to make cards rare and powerful inherently stops it being a very balanced game.

Imagine how cool it would be if the bad cards cost a little less mana and the over good cards a little more. The choices for deck building would open up so much.

I'm not saying it would be perfect by the by, but I think even we would roughly agree on where a lot of cards really need to be cost wise.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 14, 2016, 07:26:49 PM
So just as a for instance...

The key seems to be that a card should be good enough you want to take it, not so good you feel wronged if an opponent played it, at least to my mind.

Take Rancor. Would any of us say that one is a big enough casting cost? I'm pretty sure the answer would be no. It might take a bit of back and forth but I think we'd come to a compromise on what felt fair.

With all the variables I don't think you can perfectly balance things but I do think there are a large section of cards that are either auto includes or so bad you'd never consider them that could be steered back towards the middle. I guess they'll never do it though as the whole rare thing is important to them, but it's sad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 15, 2016, 03:46:32 PM
I've been playing a lot more multiplayer commander, which definitely changes which cards look overpowered. Rancor is good (it was actually undercosted by mistake, in fact, and they didn't notice until it was printed!), but multiplayer games are dominated by avengers of zendikar and rites of replication.

You're right though that it would be nice if the game wasn't ruled by a subset of overpowered cards.


Anyway, Conspiracy 2! It's coming! Ghost king Brago is dead, and Marchesa is queen... for now!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_wjbFsGQ4NT.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_OFPgMTjwcu.png)

Monarchy!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_Idj3SrLOeZ.png)

Voting!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_v405Csx7n4.png)

Vote-rigging!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_JBDcoeGqnh.png)

Insults!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_hwhEx78V34.png)

Pet hydras!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_12hlZKQIvA.png)

This is going to be amazing.


Ha, and they've reprinted Inquisition of Kozilek.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/285/636068543327112839.png)
Oh, shame about the rare-shift though. Dodgy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 15, 2016, 04:20:20 PM
Conspiracy sounded really fun. Maybe sometime I can convince a group round here to give it a shot.  This flavor looks right up my alley too with black white knights and such!

On the card cost thing, imagine the arguments we could have if gccg had a card cost altering function!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 15, 2016, 04:33:05 PM
is monarchy only valid in conspiracy games?

Jeering homunc would be amazing in multiplayer roon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2016, 09:47:19 AM
I really like the art for those knights. I think it's mainly the colours used.

On the card cost thing, imagine the arguments we could have if gccg had a card cost altering function!

It's probably just as well it doesn't!


Quote from: Finlay
is monarchy only valid in conspiracy games?

No, it works in all games. Once someone plays a card that introduces the monarch, it becomes a permanent part of that game. It should be fun in EDH! I definitely want to make a Marchesa deck.

The weird draft cards (the conspiracies) are only for conspiracy games, of course, as before.


Quote
Jeering homunc would be amazing in multiplayer roon!

Grrrr!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2016, 10:07:56 AM
This demon looks to be a 5/4 flyer for 4 mana with no drawback, if you play it in EDH.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/289/636068584952833507.jpeg)


Reprint: wish!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/302/636069051407324483.png)
Though, based on the artwork, you could call that card 'groped by a genie.'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2016, 10:41:25 PM
Another legend with a new ability!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_Ekkwswiemv.png)


Also, phyrexian arena is in the set.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/321/636069435183024679.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 17, 2016, 05:39:30 PM
(http://mythicspoiler.com/cn2/cards/spykit.jpg)

Interesting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 17, 2016, 05:47:36 PM
Brianne of tarth
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 17, 2016, 09:13:17 PM
Spy kit is obviously intended to work with the conspiracies, but I'm sure there must be some other sinister things you can do with it.

Annoying elf.
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_GhygaqFObK.png)

Angry Daretti.
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_8oKQdnR5sq.png)

This set looks so good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on August 17, 2016, 10:24:08 PM
When aren't elves annoying?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 18, 2016, 12:24:48 PM
That's true. I might use his art for a character in the RPG!

This guy is extremely obnoxious in EDH though, which I didn't immediately realise. His first effect doesn't just negate opponent's draw engines: all he has to do is cast a card like Teferi's Puzzle Box, Windfall, Time Spiral or numerous other 'everyone discards then draws' cards and he's totally wrecked everyone else's hand. Windfall (costs 3 mana) becomes 'you discard and draw lots of cards. Everyone else discards their hand and draws... one card.' He's also arguably the best three colours for EDH.

Expect to be hated out of the game if you play him as your commander!


Meanwhile: expensive old card reprinted with nicer art:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/348/636070278103559686.png)

Gitrog Monster!

This set looks to be both better and cheaper than Eternal Masters.

It also finally has the long-expected Serum Visions reprint, but that card is only useful in Modern.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 18, 2016, 06:50:57 PM
I'm pretty up for banning leovold!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 18, 2016, 09:28:46 PM
Would this card be truly reprehensible with Leovold?

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=3589&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 18, 2016, 09:35:06 PM
Yes, it would. Only an elf could so corrupt the symbol of honest dwarvern industry!  ::heretic::

Ban him!


Also: new Grenzo!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_JleDz9SOwB.png)

And Godzilla-bomb!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/369/636071280558839031.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 19, 2016, 09:21:59 AM
Dinosaur!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/372/636071613451473512.jpeg)
So friendly and colourful!

Insane mega-blue spell:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/361/636071113143473565.png)
Owls+timewalks.


Reprints: birds of paradise, berserk, show and tell.

Wizards have gone insane and put years worth of amazing cards into a single set!  :Ohmy: Maybe it's a reward for tolerating the Battle for Zendikar block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 19, 2016, 11:12:08 AM
response to poor sales?

ALL THE REPRINTS?

Looks like quite a few price drop singles i'll want to pick up.

show and tell looks scary! cheat cheat cheat




That cheating elf likes Howling Mine too, and Fecundity. And presumably millions of other cards I don't know about. Horrid.
I'm definitely banning him, Rufus!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 20, 2016, 11:42:59 AM
I don't think they're having any trouble with sales. Maybe they just decided this set needed to be amazing!

Banning Leovold is fine.


New Selvala. Now mono-green, and encouraging you to play massive monsters!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_mGqRiQAwg3.png)

With a weird ability to make mana of any colour. And nice art.


Clone with flash!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_KFkle1Vw85.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2016, 10:24:50 AM
The full spoiler is due today, I think.

I need to learn how to draft by Friday, so I don't look like a clueless fool.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 22, 2016, 07:31:58 PM
Drafting is the best!

Hey there was this site you could practice drafting on I used to jump on every now and again, I can see if I can find a link. Not sure if they'd have the new set or not yet though, they used to be quick, so might have it up in a day or two if it still exists

Oh, it was easy to find

http://draft.bestiaire.org/index.php (http://draft.bestiaire.org/index.php)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 26, 2016, 09:37:11 AM
Thanks Siby! That helped a lot. It's quite difficult to draft a good deck though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2016, 10:51:27 AM
Yeah, it was useful for me right when a new set came out just to give a little feel of what I might be looking at on the day so I was at least a little prepared for stuff that might work well together and such. You know how sometimes a card looks really good or really bad but really that is very dependant on what else is in the set that it interacts with.

A four mana enchantment killer might normally be really bad value but if you're playing a set full of enchantments like theros say, maybe it's not so bad a pick in limited. That kinda thing

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2016, 11:02:35 AM
I was drafting a pretty good green/white deck with griffons, birds and a couple of juniper order rangers, but that effort was wasted because I got this:

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_hBO2gZDg8f.png)

You have to put all the cards you drafted in your deck! But have no colour restrictions. So I played it. I still mostly had a green/white deck, but it had a few serum visions and flame slashes in too. And a driver of the dead (Dracula the chauffeur) that I'd only picked because it was shiny.

Anyway, it was fun. Wizards had sent little cardboard crowns to pass around when people became the monarch.


Oh, and I wish I could play this guy in normal games:

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/azetllnwjpxztp2b_CN2/en_UrCe78Ezwx.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on August 27, 2016, 03:38:17 PM
You had to put all the cards you drafted in the deck? That's unusual. A conspiracy thing?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 27, 2016, 04:33:13 PM
I don't understand crafting, but that sounds annoying!

Hope you had fun. Get to keep the cards you drafted?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 27, 2016, 10:09:49 PM
I didn't have to use that conspiracy card, but it's really powerful! It means you don't have to play with any lands in your deck. But it also means you don't have to do any deckbuilding. It doesn't really feel like playing magic.

It was fun. I want to do another one.


Quote
Get to keep the cards you drafted?

Yes! No point doing it otherwise! I didn't get any expensive cards though. Rare-wise (not counting special draft cards), I got wild pair, faith's reward, and throne of the high city. All cheap, but at least they're decent cards. And two serum visions, though that was only expensive due to low supply and Modern demand, so will price-crash.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 31, 2016, 09:09:07 AM
Kaladesh probably has dwarves in it!

Dwarves!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 31, 2016, 09:11:14 AM
I read that and meant to post!

Woo hoo!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 31, 2016, 10:00:39 AM
I hope they get good cards this time!

Also, the magic shop I go to is running another conspiracy draft on Friday. Hurrah!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2016, 08:21:34 AM
Egyptland announced as the set after Kaladesh:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/amonkhet-info
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 02, 2016, 08:48:46 AM
Kaladesh looks like a nice place to visit!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/734/636083600352928071.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27704-inventors-fair
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2016, 08:15:28 AM
Steam punk, but colourful. I like it.

@GatheringMagic: Elves in Green, Vedalken in Blue, new race of Aetherborn in Black, Dwarves are back in White, and Gremlins in Red!

Vehicles! Energy! Fabricate.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/745/636084199640146041.png)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/126/751/200/283/636084242154939110.png)

Roon says hello. Nice art.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/126/776/200/283/636084515363421988.png)


Want want want. Amazing commander.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/126/754/200/283/636084297483480231.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2016, 09:48:19 AM
They released loads of spoilers! The set looks fantastic!

Energy counters seem to go on the player, like experience counters. So presumably you can't lose them, unless there are cards that short you out or something!

Dwarf tribal! A boris legend that draws cards!

Elf lady has sort of cascade, except better since you still draw the card if you can't cast it!

You didn't post any vehicles!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/772/636084513842494064.png)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/750/636084241196966620.png)

This set has cars and airships! Unexpected.  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2016, 09:55:05 AM
Was doing it in phone so was a bit annoying.
The sky ship is amazing. Did you see ths servo token art?

Simic elf looks a bit broken!

Shane the dwarf legend doesn't fly. I don't thibk there will be enough good dwarfs and vehicles for commander, given is quite hard to attack with a 3/3!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2016, 10:02:55 AM
I haven't seen the token yet. I only just started looking. EDIT: now I have! It's nice.

The elf's ability triggers on each player's turn if you cast something! Which you will, because you're playing blue and will be instanting all over the place.

The dwarf legend can tap by crewing a vehicle! She doesn't have to attack. But no, there probably won't be enough good dwarfs and vehicles for commander. Maybe though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2016, 11:10:05 AM
the art and flavour is great.

someone posted a troll "is this is the worst set since homelands or ever" thread on mtgs which made me lol.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/126/782/200/283/636084790290646532.jpeg)
hello marath! 8/8 trample for 5 mana. or counter spreading if required.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2016, 11:19:11 AM
Yeh, I saw that thread.  :icon_lol:

Would Marath use a giant robot though? Theme issues!  ::heretic::

One issue I had with the eldrazi stuff is that it feels totally wrong for any non-eldrazi commander to use any of them.


I feel like Magic stuff is coming out very quickly at the moment. Eldritch Moon, Conspiracy and Kaladesh are very close together!

I went to another conspiracy draft last night, and enjoyed it more than the previous one (which I did enjoy). In the first pack I opened, the rare was phyrexian arena (good!). The second had spirit of the hearth (OK). In the third pack, it was show and tell (mythic and expensive)! Not only that, but I got the sovereign's realm conspiracy (which is mythic) again, and was passed no less than four other rare cards! So it was like buying three boosters and getting seven rare/mythic cards (not counting the conspiracy).

Notable cards I had: show and tell, phyrexian arena, burning wish, horn of greed, spirit of the hearth, faith's reward, throne of the high city, serum visions (uncommon, but worth more than many rares). Much better value-wise than I did last week!

I was drafting red/black until I was passed the sovereign's realm, so my deck was mostly those colours. I played a three player game, which I won, and a four player, which I didn't. Casting show and tell to drop the 6-mana spirit of the hearth on turn three was fun!

The life loss from phyrexian arena felt like a big deal when you only start with 20 life.

I haven't seen anyone play any of the legends, other than Selvala. Weird!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 03, 2016, 07:36:35 PM
Part of the strategy behind the block shift?

C2016 will probably be quite soon after kaladesh!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2016, 10:57:51 AM
C16 is November, I think.

Kaladesh has enemy-coloured fastlands!
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Concealed%2BCourtyard%2B%255BKLD%255D.jpg)

Though these are pretty bad in commander.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2016, 03:28:05 PM
Does panharmonicon mean creatures double their own etb triggers? Or is it for things like aether charge?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2016, 05:55:01 PM
Theres a dwarf version of vampire nighthawk.

White. And vigilance not death touch.

efficient or what, and uncommon. Standard staple incoming.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2016, 08:58:15 PM
Quote
Does panharmonicon mean creatures double their own etb triggers? Or is it for things like aether charge?

I think it's both? It looks dodgy as hell for EDH.


Quote
Theres a dwarf version of vampire nighthawk.
White. And vigilance not death touch.
efficient or what, and uncommon. Standard staple incoming.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/816/636085929848538138.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27746-aerial-responder

He's good! Definitely one of the best dwarfs ever (ha!). But vigilance isn't as good as nighthawk's deathtouch.

This is pretty funny. Get lost, battle for zendikar block!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/815/636085908231349708.jpeg)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27747-ceremonious-rejection
Maybe playable in EDH even!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
panharmonicon seems incredibly broken. Staple in every edh deck.



im glad your draft was good.

Am I gonna buy your phyrexarena or wot.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
Yes, I don't think I like it really. Overpowered!

I looked up existing dwarf cards, with a view to playing dwarf tribal in EDH. There are five or six playable ones, and maybe three good changeling cards in red or white. Kaladesh will need a lot of good dwarfs and vehicles for it to work.


Quote
Am I gonna buy your phyrexarena or wot.

Not sure! I have three now (original, C15, and conspiracy) but they all have different art!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2016, 11:34:37 AM
the conspiracy 2 one is 2.20 on MCT, but 0 in stock.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2016, 11:39:49 AM
He doesn't seem to have any conspiracy cards yet. I want Expropriate!

But it should be easy to get cheapish arenas soon. Maybe on ebay?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2016, 11:53:00 AM
2.38 on trolltrader.
I'll just get one soon online. (cos we all know my black deck needs to get better, amirite)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2016, 02:58:02 PM
The price should stay low, at least for a while.

These two are good with Ghave! Create and destroy saprolings to gain energy counters, then spend them on the abilities.
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNuiu2i_KLD/en_siyU0uwm9b.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNuiu2i_KLD/en_VnFWEs4Svs.png)
Though everything's good with Ghave.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2016, 03:01:58 PM
thought demon of dark schemes quite good for Erebos too, although much harder to force energy triggers.
I'm a little bit wary of energy, exp counter flashbacks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2016, 03:05:29 PM
Energy should be more balanced than EXP counters, since it was designed for standard. They playtest standard cards a lot more than commander cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2016, 03:14:25 PM

and they get spent to pay for stuff, rathern than just continually getting better

Why do people on MTGs say "it's a purely parasitic mechanic" what do they mean?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2016, 03:20:55 PM
They mean it's a mechanic that only works within one set, or that requires specific support cards. Like the way creatures with Heroic require you to include spells to target them with, or how Populate needs you to play tokens. Or that 'splice onto arcane' thing from Kamigawa.

Except they're wrong for any card that both generates and uses energy counters (like the two I just posted, and most of the ones I've seen!).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2016, 03:58:01 PM
thanks, now I can disagree with them because I know they're wrong, not just out of principle for being an mtgs twat.


it's kinda cool that the "untap matter" creatures from the greek set are really good crew-ers, although probably not good enough to bother shoe-horning into an edh deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2016, 04:06:17 PM
I can't remember if any of the Theros untappers were actually good, but the crew rules would definitely suit them! It's worth looking at them again.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 05, 2016, 04:26:12 PM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378403&type=card)
good anyway, can attack!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378468&type=card)
etb triggers


(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=380443&type=card)
this would be nasty. kill stuff, get mana!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378452&type=card)
maybe a bit risky in edh

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378423&type=card)
p[ure draw, but 5 cmc.

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=378454&type=card)
extort

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 05, 2016, 04:49:56 PM
The minotaur and the king look especially crew-worthy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2016, 09:01:46 AM
This in EDH!  :Ohmy:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/876/636087003378079642.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27767-metallurgic-summonings


Also, this:

(https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/e46b06ac-43af-4285-b56c-4ad18fa5ee0b/Paradoxical-Outcome.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2016, 09:22:17 AM
They made two green Nissa pwalkers, one looks amazing and the other meh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2016, 09:54:40 AM
Two Chandras as well. The two weaker versions are for the new planeswalker precon decks that are replacing intro packs (60-card precons with a planeswalker and two boosters). They're designed to be bad in standard so they don't get bought out.


Snapcaster robot:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/898/636087594502168591.png)

Being instant only (not sorcery) has attracted complaints, which might be valid for standard. But in EDH it's great! I hope it's cheap.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2016, 10:12:45 AM
Yes I saw that. The fact the monster is only 5/6 with no abilities made me less mad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2016, 10:17:32 AM
5/6 with flash so that it can ambush your creatures! While casting a spell for free!  ::heretic::

A spell like this:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=5599&type=card)
 :icon_exclaim:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2016, 12:14:03 PM
I said less mad, not not mad :p.

There are a couple of "these go in every izzet/blue spellsinging decks" staples spoiled so far!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2016, 10:54:42 AM
You can use the blue stuff too! It's not just for me!


Wizards are doing some great promotional things these days. Cardboard skyships for stores!

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14199693_1445565035470440_3678182377708867990_n.png?oh=df47f98c96a52028cc569eef394b4b2a&oe=587DAC28)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
Looks a bit like a drop fleet ship!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 08, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
I'm trying to buy the cardboard Mad Avacyn at my LGS. He's still displaying it, but maybe when he's done he'll let me have it.

This is not the one at my lgs but here's a reference:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f4kY7NCa3tM/Vu_fz164iUI/AAAAAAAAC0Y/_FYMDon2VbU/w1224-h1632/avacyn_purifier_shadows_over_innistrad_standee_gnash_comics.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2016, 03:23:00 PM
I hope you've got somewhere to put that! It's quite large.


Karlov of the Ghost Council's new best friend:
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNuiu2i_KLD/en_PpHQrOfn71.png)

Nice land:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/947/636089260525055620.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2016, 09:44:42 AM
More energy!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/178/636089647307388592.jpeg)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27800-dynavolt-tower


No new dwarfs yet though. We've only seen four, including the legendary one. I need more for a dwarf tribal deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 09, 2016, 01:36:35 PM
Kambal is begging to be my edh general.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2016, 01:39:50 PM
Ha! I'm not sure how good he'd be though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 09, 2016, 01:42:09 PM
there's an artifact that shoots people for 50 damage if you have over 50 health!

pew pew
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 09, 2016, 01:45:12 PM
Yes, I meant to post that before. It's pretty crazy!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/126/912/636088383520063047.png)

I'd love to counter that ability after someone activated it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2016, 09:39:57 AM
Dwarven recruiter from Odyssey: last week, 20p. Now, Ģ1.40!
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=29853

Even though there are still only four known dwarfs in Kaladesh. Speculators!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 11, 2016, 12:33:27 PM
To be fair that is absurd card I'd dwarfs are string enough.

Imagine that but faeries or elves!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 12, 2016, 09:08:17 AM
There's one for goblins! Goblin recruiter. It's the same, but 2 mana and 1/1.

Still, I actually bought two dwarven recruiters last week before they went up!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 12, 2016, 03:06:40 PM
All magic sets will have an equivalent to the Zendikar expeditions (ultra-rare cards that aren't actually part of the set).

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNuiu2i_KLD/en_y8smQPJEaH.png)

So you might get a mana crypt in a Kaladesh booster, but it won't be standard legal.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/masterpiece-series-2016-09-12

I don't know what I think about this.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2016, 09:11:48 AM
All the Kaladesh 'inventions:'

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/masterpiece-series-kaladesh-inventions-2016-09-12

Lots of nice cards, but the chance of getting one in a booster is essentially zero.


Back to normal cards:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/272/636092788906783985.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27830-glint-nest-crane

Amazing!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 13, 2016, 11:39:07 AM
I've always been kinda put of a u based artifact deck due to rufus rage (easy to make them dodgy!), and I never got feldon or goblinman working properly.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
I'm more used to dodgy decks now, due to playing at the game shop. There will be no rage!


Controlling U/W planeswalker:
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNuiu2i_KLD/en_NVmXolHdE1b.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 13, 2016, 04:30:52 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/127/332/200/283/636093572051286742.png)
bomat courier looks quite fun. Restock your hand after you've cast all your spells.
Problem in edh is being able to attack with a 1/1
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2016, 05:03:24 PM
Yes, I think he'd be great for standard, but not really EDHable.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2016, 10:26:12 AM
SCARP MASTERY!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/127/371/200/283/636094005946634350.png)

Flying whales.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/127/365/200/283/636093840030955841.jpeg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 14, 2016, 10:41:03 AM
the flavour and art of this set is outstanding.

I'm still a but unsire about energy and vehicles mechanic wise.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
I agree on both counts.

I think we need to play with energy and vehicle cards before we can tell if they're good or not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 14, 2016, 10:57:45 AM
i kind of want them to go with it and use energy throughout future sets too.

on the other hand, if they keep it more or less confined to this block it's easier to ignore if it is bad.

I also feel sad when they use amazing art and flavour on crappy cards.
I love the tasseled camel!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/126/775/200/283/636084514979096775.png)

surprised you didnt post the flying leviathan! leflyathan

or flyviathan.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/127/367/200/283/636093863116557713.jpeg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2016, 12:02:59 PM
Quote
i kind of want them to go with it and use energy throughout future sets too.

They probably will if people like it.

The camel is playable in sealed or draft! It's also an important step towards a full camel tribal deck (it's the third ever camel!).

I nearly did post that leviathan. I like it, but I think it generates energy too slowly to be used without other energy sources. There are at least two other leviathans that bounce all other creatures!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on September 14, 2016, 12:41:02 PM
I assume they re use things that are very popular or work really well but I've not really noticed much when or when not they've done it. I guess everything was new at some point.

That camel could be very handy in limited. Annoying as anything as a first drop against someone trying to overrun you. I suppose it depends on the rest of the set but sometimes stuff like that can do the job, probably a late pick once you've established your colours. That's why I like limited so much.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 15, 2016, 10:37:46 AM
I assume they re use things that are very popular or work really well but I've not really noticed much when or when not they've done it. I guess everything was new at some point.

One example is equipment, which was popular enough that it has been in most (all?) sets since Mirrodin. More recently they made 'scry' a rule that can show up in any set.

I'd definitely play the camel in limited! He's a great blocker.


Another energy-generating card:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/419/636094939085331877.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27919-era-of-innovation
Quite good!

And a counterspell:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/416/636094918925379640.jpeg)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27918-insidious-will
4 mana is quite a lot to keep available, but unlike other redirect/copy spells it's never a dead card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 15, 2016, 03:55:47 PM
Another five-mana wrath:

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNuiu2i_KLD/en_HpJJsK3R6H.png)

The lifegain is quite a nice bonus.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 15, 2016, 04:03:04 PM
Another five-mana wrath:

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bVvMNuiu2i_KLD/en_HpJJsK3R6H.png)

The lifegain is quite a nice bonus.

This has to go into my Avacyn deck immediately.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 15, 2016, 04:04:05 PM
Boardwipe tribal deck!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
Trains!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/440/636095654173916016.jpeg)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27927-aradara-express

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/439/636095652959257249.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27925-renegade-freighter

Dwarf police!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/427/636095286781180840.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27921-fairgrounds-warden

That's about seven dwarfs now, plus the legend. But I need more for a tribal EDH deck! I might have to wait for the next set.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2016, 09:01:01 PM
The full set is up now. There are quite a few dwarfs!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/kaladesh
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2016, 01:21:41 PM
MTG Salvation: where there are people who say things like this:

Quote
Learn to read into inferences before being prolix. Your pontifications can end with a good Finding when you flesh out your thoughts properly, but as a whole, you are very defensive about contiplating your naval.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 17, 2016, 01:37:58 PM
Contiplating your naval.


Doing what with your boats? :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on September 17, 2016, 02:24:10 PM
The full set is up now. There are quite a few dwarfs!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/kaladesh

Ragni will be pleased.


Dwarf police!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/427/636095286781180840.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/kaladesh/27921-fairgrounds-warden

Cool Art! Looks like a photograph.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2016, 02:43:00 PM
This set has some of the best art I've seen in Magic.


Contiplating your naval.


Doing what with your boats? :icon_eek:

I don't want to know!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 25, 2016, 10:41:06 AM
I didn't do very well at the prerelease (0-2, 2-1, 2-0, 0-2). My boosters didn't have any wildly exciting cards, so I made a mediocre red/green aggro deck. But, I made the mistake of treating vehicles as creatures, when you should really think of them more as equipment. My deck didn't have enough actual creatures. Plus it kept giving me massive amounts of land instead of useful cards. The best cards I had were the thopter-making artifact, and the 1-mana green legend that makes x/x constructs. I won one game from 1 life by churning out thopters.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 25, 2016, 02:10:48 PM
I'm surprised they let shoeless hobbits in the shop at all tbh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2016, 10:44:09 AM
Hobbits are the best Magic players.

I ordered the cards to make a dwarf deck, but somehow forgot Fairgrounds Warden. Disaster!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 12, 2016, 10:58:46 AM
Huge price spike on Metallurgic Summonings!

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Kaladesh/Metallurgic+Summonings#paper

$2.3 to $16.46 in two days!  :Ohmy:

I think this will probably be a flash in the pan, like Season's Past or Pyromancer's Goggles. Even so, I'm glad I already have one (from one of my prerelease boosters) for my blue EDH deck!

Edit: it's gone up some more since I posted.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 12, 2016, 03:05:17 PM
I mean, that cards looks ridiculous, not surprised it's jumped
Doesn't it fit into all sorts of blue artifact shenanigan decks?

it looks easily abusable.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 12, 2016, 03:12:22 PM
It's amazing in EDH (I used it in some games the week before last), but this spike is due to standard demand. Apparently a deck using it did well on magic online, and people are rushing to copy it. Or maybe it's just internet hype.

The price chart now says $12! Were the earlier numbers a mistake? It's still a huge increase though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 12, 2016, 03:28:02 PM
is it not eternal playable?

probably not as too easily removed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 12, 2016, 03:41:19 PM
I'd have thought it cost too much mana for modern and legacy. Maybe not though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 14, 2016, 11:10:08 AM
I'd have thought it cost too much mana for modern and legacy. Maybe not though.
It is to mana intensive for Modern or Legacy. But it looks very strong in EDH.
And job done:
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20161007_184057_zpscovthryj.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20161007_184057_zpscovthryj.jpg.html)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20161007_183842_zpsx8ils0i1.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20161007_183842_zpsx8ils0i1.jpg.html)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20161007_184013_zpsjsmjs5pz.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20161007_184013_zpsjsmjs5pz.jpg.html)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/bc881002-580e-4956-9fcb-e2f31df4dcf1_zpstzj5h7cz.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/bc881002-580e-4956-9fcb-e2f31df4dcf1_zpstzj5h7cz.jpg.html)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/novogord/20161007_183755_zpsosiydyew.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/novogord/media/20161007_183755_zpsosiydyew.jpg.html)
My modern Affinity deck is foiled, promo or altered  :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 14, 2016, 11:16:49 AM
Gosh!  :Ohmy:

So expensive!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 14, 2016, 11:50:34 AM
Gosh!  :Ohmy:

So expensive!
It took some time, but I'm happy with it :smile2:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 14, 2016, 12:16:59 PM
I hope the games are fun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 14, 2016, 09:16:55 PM
Big price spike on panharmonicon now!

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Kaladesh/Panharmonicon#paper

I'm glad I have one (it was my prerelease promo), but I haven't put it in a deck yet. My prerelease pack is looking better in retrospect than it did at the time!


Also, I've turned to the EDH dark side. In a game tonight, I did this: high tide => Teferi: untap four land => psychosis crawler => time spiral (everyone loses 7 life, untap 6 land) rite of replication (kicked) on the crawler = 6 crawlers. That was all on one turn. On my next turn, stroke of genius to draw 8 cards, which makes each opponent lose 8 life for each crawler. Two of them were out immediately. I killed the last player by attacking with my 13/13 crawlers.  ::heretic::

It felt amazing and lame at the same time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 14, 2016, 10:20:08 PM
Panharmo is insane for EDH. Goes in every deck.

Is EDH popular enough to drive prices, yet?


also: you dirty, dirty man.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 14, 2016, 10:45:28 PM
EDH does drive prices, but big spikes like this tend to be caused by standard.

I'm not sure it does go in every deck. You need to play quite a lot of ETB creatures. I might put it in Ghave, maybe.


I tutored for cards too!  ::heretic::  But then I lost the next two games with Ghave and Derevi.


The blue gearhulk has spiked now too. I bought one on ebay yesterday.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Kaladesh/Torrential+Gearhulk#paper
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 16, 2016, 07:56:49 AM
Al those cards will come down after Standard rotates out. I'm interested in Panharm, but I'm not sure it would fit in Daretti or Krenko.
And yes EDH can drive the price of some cards, the ones that are very flexibel and fit in every deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2016, 11:11:40 AM
The blue gearhulk has gone up even more now. Hype!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 17, 2016, 12:56:13 PM
The blue gearhulk has gone up even more now. Hype!
Come on! Lets ride the train :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
Come on! Lets ride the train :Ohmy:

OK!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=417803&type=card)


On the subject of hype: commander spoilers start next week. I'm not sure if I'm going to like 4-colour decks or not. But I also wasn't sure about the mono-colour C14 decks, and that ended up being the best set of all.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 17, 2016, 03:53:05 PM
the 2nd set of commander decks is still the best for me. Roon, Marath, Derevi. Boss.

the 4 colour ones will either have loads of colour fixing, or just not work as decks... i suspect the 2nd.

Personally I've gone off even using 3 colour decks! 2 gives you so much more mana consistency.

Still, it's nice to see the fun cards and new commanders.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 17, 2016, 04:05:14 PM
C14 were the best-designed decks though. They had coherent themes and lots of strong cards. C11 and C13 had all sorts of durdly crap and terrible mana-fixing! C15 had the obnoxious EXP commanders and mediocre decks.

C16 will be awful if they don't print decent mana-fixing. A 4-colour deck with no green will be especially bad unless they take special measures!

I'll probably get one deck.


edit: the blue gearhulk that I bought from ebay at the pre-spike price arrived. Hurrah!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 19, 2016, 06:54:45 AM
I'm still happy with my Daretti deck and the Miss still with her Ob Nixilis.
But I'm curious, all the commander decks will have green in them or some artifacts to search up basic lands. But probably no fetchlands.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 19, 2016, 03:48:27 PM
Standard goes back to a 2-year rotation schedule.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/revisiting-standard-rotation-2016-10-19

2-set blocks are staying, but only the autumn ones will cause a rotation.

Nobody much plays standard at the store I go to, but maybe that was due to the faster rotations making it unappealing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2016, 02:45:52 PM
C16

A 4-colour legend.
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/MYlQPi6Hqn_EN.png)


You can have two commanders!  ::heretic::  mind = blown
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/BLpJjx7H7i_EN.png)

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/zP2tJ6yQY4_EN.png)


Each deck has only one 4-colour commander, but has three legends with 'partner.' So a deck might have a GWUR legend, a GW with partner, and two U/R with partner.

Apparently the decks will have some rare dual lands. Though probably not good ones.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 24, 2016, 04:48:20 PM
For the record, if I ever get round to getting back on gccg, atraxa will be my general. Aside from having life link, it allows me to combine my two three favorite decks into one -life gain, artifacts, tokens! Plus that card just seems way too good even by itself.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2016, 05:04:52 PM
Would you be allowed to have gw/ur partners, 4 colour deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2016, 09:15:51 PM
I feel like Atraxa is the kind of commander I either play myself or get insanely annoyed when someone else uses it. So maybe that's the deck I'll get! It's certainly the most powerful 4-colour combination. Proliferate is so obnoxious though.


Would you be allowed to have gw/ur partners, 4 colour deck?

Yes, you can. They couldn't think of enough 4-colour legends, so they came up with the partner rule instead. There will be fifteen different partner legends, which allows quite a few combinations.

If you have two commanders, the rest of your deck is 98 cards. And they count separately for commander damage and commander tax.

Another one:
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/nqeWaa1SYR_EN.png)
 :icon_exclaim:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2016, 10:04:58 PM
Effectively let's them make it two or three colours!

Bruse tarl with a gr or gw legend.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 24, 2016, 10:26:54 PM
Two, three or four colours, depending on how you mix the paired commanders! It should be interesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 24, 2016, 11:13:55 PM
Hope it isn't gimmicky broken shite like exp counters
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 25, 2016, 10:20:46 AM
It surely can't be that bad!

Note that Atraxa can include Meren, Ezuri and Daxos and proliferate EXP counters onto them!  ::heretic:: Horrible. Also planeswalkers, of course.

The partner rule means new commanders for RWU at last.

Another new rule: undaunted.
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/ZcMtvJzuXC_EN.png)
3 opponents required before this card is good.


More information on the deck themes:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/commander-2016-home

I don't know yet which one I'm going to get. But I think there's no reason to panic over prices, because they tend to even out after a couple of weeks anyway.

Full decklists this Friday?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 25, 2016, 03:18:45 PM
I don't like this one.
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/b2qw7Ice5A_EN.png)
Weird Alara art.

This one has better art, but is a bit too aggro.
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/4WABqQpTjv_EN.png)


I like this though. Abzan!
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c16/cards/reyhanlastoftheabzan.jpg)
http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c16/cards/reyhanlastoftheabzan.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 25, 2016, 05:10:43 PM
That abzan dude with ghave! (Anything with ghave)

I like saskia. Pretty gross in duals!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 25, 2016, 05:26:18 PM
Can reyhan go in the atraxa deck as a regular card. Seems like it could be handy.

Breya as the general of an artifact deck gives you super options what with having that red too.

This four color thing is really going to expand long held limitations.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 25, 2016, 08:42:32 PM
Oh!  :Ohmy:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/960/636129993564563612.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/commander-2016/28037-deepglow-skate
Double the counters! Any counters! Why did they make this!  :ph34r:


Quote
]Can reyhan go in the atraxa deck as a regular card. Seems like it could be handy.

Yes. And I think it's in the same precon.

I think I need to buy the Atraxa deck. It almost certainly has the above fish too.


Quote
That abzan dude with ghave! (Anything with ghave)

Ridiculous with Ghave! Move the counters for free!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 26, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
This is good:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/970/636130301608026089.jpeg)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/commander-2016/28039-conquerors-flail


Interesting reprints so far: Iroas, chromatic lantern, Hanna (ship's navigator), oath of druids, murmuring bosk.

If murmuring bosk is the sort of thing they meant by 'we put more rare lands in than usual,' then there won't be any expensive dual lands. Maybe the 'checklands' like glacial fortress?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on October 26, 2016, 12:46:10 PM
That fish would be pretty good even if it wasn't a creature!

That with something that bumps it out and into play...Just mean
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 26, 2016, 03:12:44 PM
The fish seems broken really. I think it's going to annoy me!

Another commander:
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/maZewzwzSE_EN.png)
Nice art, but I don't think I want that play-style. It's hard to win when your deck gives everyone cards and lands and your commander has 2 power!

Ludevic:
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/ruX19neusP_EN.png)
A bit like Edric the spymaster in encouraging people to attack other players instead of you. But not as good.


Stories and art for all the new commanders:
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/its-time-talk-commander-2016-edition-2016-10-26


Bird boss. Not that good!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/976/636130739090770249.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/commander-2016/28044-ishai-ojutai-dragonspeaker

Quite a good card, but I do not like the art. At all.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/979/636130754472179654.jpeg)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/commander-2016/28046-ravos-soultender

Most people seem to think this is the best partner legend so far:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/127/957/636129959850879459.png)
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/commander-2016/28024-kydele-chosen-of-kruphix
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 26, 2016, 09:26:30 PM
Update on rare dual lands:

Enemy painlands:
Caves of Koilos (W/B)
Odyssey filterlands:
Darkwater Catacombs (U/B)
Shadowblood Ridge (B/R)
Sungrass Prairie (G/W)
Ally checklands:
Dragonskull Summmit (B/R)
Rootbound Crag (R/G)
Sunpetal Grove (G/W)
Ally painlands:
Underground River (U/B)
Karplusan Forest (R/G)

Pretty weak. The checklands are fine, but I'm not keen on painlands or Odyssey filters. Still, they normally don't put in any rare duals at all!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 27, 2016, 08:00:07 AM
Would that fish also work on poison counters on a person?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 27, 2016, 08:45:24 AM
Would that fish also work on poison counters on a person?

Thankfully not! It can only target permanents, not players.


The last 4-colour commander: cascade ogre!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/FoPg1n2Tr8_EN.png)

This seems like fun. Not as obnoxious and cheat-tacular as Maelstrom Wanderer.


Creature that casts Yawgmoth's Will!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/128/2/636131607537193829.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 28, 2016, 08:42:52 AM
Thank god the fish doesn't work with Infect, it would make it nuts in EDH.
Somehow they have caught my interest with these new decks. Maybe when the complete list is available...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 29, 2016, 08:20:34 PM
Novo, I think I fancy the ubrg deck, or the brgw one.
Do either look much higher value than the other?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 31, 2016, 08:34:59 AM
Finlay, I think that financialy the UBRG deck is the better one. None has expensive reprints I think.
Also, the UBRG seems like the deck you would like to play (big red or green creatures) :)
I personnaly would go for the WUBR deck, lots of artifacts!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2016, 01:03:55 AM
GWBU is clearly the bestest! Scavenging ooze, reveillarch, Kalonian hydra, master biomancer, cauldron of souls!


I really like this card:
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/bn8f9t2zc_C16/5ZEcbD9i4C_EN.png)
Nice bird picture!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 01, 2016, 12:14:15 PM
Forbidden orchard and exotic orchard in the Theros Kings deck. Orchard tribal!

The kings deck is actually really good. So is the maelstrom ogre deck. Artifact lady has some good cards, but the deck feels like a random assortment of artifacty things (and why is Magus of the Will in that deck? Let Saskia have it!). Saskia has the least interesting deck. Atraxa's is powergametastic.

I think all of these decks are better than the C15 ones! The reprint rampage that began in Conspiracy 2 is continuing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2016, 11:34:01 AM
Magic really attracts pseudo-intellectuals. This post on MTG Salvation made me laugh:

Quote
well in the realm of infinite possibility it is a guarantee. While it could take up to a million years it will eventually happen. I am not going to shuffle for a million years.

Theoretical Science should have prevailed in this situation.

(What really annoys me is literally anyone else in my playgroup would have realized what was happening and would have scooped. I get the one guy who refused to just scoop and give me the win.)

The context is pretty boring - it's about a combo that involved shuffling his deck until a 4-mana card was on top. He thought he should be able to shortcut the shuffling and just assume it would happen, but his opponent disagreed and called a judge.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on November 04, 2016, 12:44:51 PM
That's pretty amusing.

Plus is he really even right? Technically, however low the odds, it's possible that infinite shuffling would not put the card on the top.

If he's calling a judge I'm assuming it's a competitive game in which case time may be called before he completes what he wants, making a tie. In that sense, you sorta can't blame the other guy if he's looking like losing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2016, 01:16:52 PM
If he's calling a judge I'm assuming it's a competitive game in which case time may be called before he completes what he wants, making a tie.

A move i'd definitely recommend when playing anyone who made a combo that requires you to shuffle your deck till you get the right card on top.

Magic really attracts pseudo-intellectuals.
I think typically nerd hobbies often do, along with a sense of superiority.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 04, 2016, 07:39:43 PM
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/designing-commander-2016-edition-2016-10-24

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/howdy-partner-2016-10-24

interesting pair of articles.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 04, 2016, 10:32:55 PM
Plus is he really even right? Technically, however low the odds, it's possible that infinite shuffling would not put the card on the top.

That's why it's funny! The combination of his pretentiousness with the fact that he's wrong. As you say, he's not guaranteed to get the card he wants so he has to repeat the combo manually. And so the judge sanctioned him for slow play.  :icon_lol:


Quote from: Finlay
I think typically nerd hobbies often do, along with a sense of superiority.

I don't know if magic has more of them, or if they just naturally congregate at MTG Salvation!


Quote from: Finlay
interesting pair of articles.

I read those already, but yes! They are.


I played three games of EDH at FNM tonight. I used dwarf tribal (didn't win) and Surrak mediocre aggro (didn't win), but in between I unleashed mono-blue Teferi again.

I locked down the enemy creatures with propaganda, capsize, ixidron and scourge of fleets, ultimated Teferi (-10!) then won with caged sun/palinchon infinite mana to power stoke of genius and blue sun's zenith to make both opponents draw their decks. With two free counterspells (force of will and foil) to defend the combo if required (it wasn't required).

Ultimate evil!  ::heretic::

My torrential gearhulk is still hiding in the deck though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on November 07, 2016, 09:00:00 AM
Ultimate evil!  ::heretic::

Infinite goblin death will be upon you! :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 07, 2016, 10:04:50 AM
Bring them on! I am ready for them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on November 07, 2016, 10:40:38 AM
Bring them on! I am ready for them!
Watch out for flying goblins ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 07, 2016, 11:01:34 AM
Watch out for cyclonic rifts!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 10, 2016, 10:53:33 PM
Book tribal EDH!

Better than I expected.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2016, 01:18:42 PM
I opened my Artaxa EDH deck, and found that a lot of the cards were stuck together. They could be pulled apart, but it's left marks around the edges on some of them. The worst-looking ones are the tokens, which are the ones that matter least, but it's pretty annoying.

Apparently, supplemental products like commander and conspiracy (some people had damaged cards in conspiracy packs) are printed in the USA, while the normal cards are printed in Belgium. Poor quality control in the USA!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on November 21, 2016, 10:34:13 AM
I opened my Artaxa EDH deck, and found that a lot of the cards were stuck together. They could be pulled apart, but it's left marks around the edges on some of them. The worst-looking ones are the tokens, which are the ones that matter least, but it's pretty annoying.

Apparently, supplemental products like commander and conspiracy (some people had damaged cards in conspiracy packs) are printed in the USA, while the normal cards are printed in Belgium. Poor quality control in the USA!
So Belgians can do something good, apart from brewing  :-P
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2016, 11:34:34 AM
Belgians are good at lots of things!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 01, 2016, 03:18:34 PM
A leaked poster shows a couple of aether revolt cards:

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/aer/cards/yahennisexpertise.jpg)

Quote
Yahenni's Expertise
2BB
Sorcery
All creatures get -3/-3 until end of turn.

You may cast a card with converted mana cost 3 or less from your hand without paying its mana cost.


Quote
Trophy Mage
2U
Creature - Human Wizard
When Trophy Mage enters the battlefield, you may serach your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost 3, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.


Quote
Scrap Trawler
3
Artifact Creature - Construct
Whenever Scrap Trawler or another artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return to your hand target artifact card in your graveyard with lesser converted mana cost.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 01, 2016, 03:22:06 PM
scrap trawler and trophy mage, straight into breya!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 01, 2016, 03:29:27 PM
No tutoring!

There is already a trinket mage (artifact costing 1 or less) and a treasure mage (artifact costing 6 or more). I play both in my FNM Teferi deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 02, 2016, 10:00:30 AM
Scrap Trawler seems intereseting...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 02, 2016, 11:09:26 AM
scrap trawler looks awesome without even trying how to abuse/use it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 02, 2016, 11:14:18 AM
I missed its stats off when I copied the text, but I think it's a 3/2.

Yes, any artifact deck would like one! Free graveyard recursion.


I feel like I need to play more graveyard hate in EDH. A lot more!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 04, 2016, 11:35:15 AM
Massive price spike on Teferi, Temporal Archmage!

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Commander+2014/Teferi+Temporal+Archmage#paper

Up to $19. And to think that the blue C14 deck was the lowest-priced. Atraxa is apparently responsible.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 04, 2016, 01:37:05 PM
whats the link? untapping 4 a turn forever? or quick use of +1 to get to his ult?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 04, 2016, 09:56:17 PM
Planeswalker decks with Atraxa and the magic doubling fish!

Speaking of planeswalkers:

(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Ajani%252C%2Bthe%2BUnshakable%2B%255BAER%255D.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 05, 2016, 10:06:28 AM
but shouldnt that price spike all P=walkers?
why him specifically?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 05, 2016, 10:09:49 AM
The usual answer is some asshole trying buy out all the stock in order to manipulate prices!

Teferi specifically because his ultimate is a sure win for a planeswalker deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 06, 2016, 09:39:20 AM
Airship for planeswalkers:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/128/384/636165665237444665.png)

Voidslime without the green:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/128/389/636165748529458626.jpeg)

Artifact covoke!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/128/390/636165748694111462.jpeg)

Arethreos for artifacts:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/128/391/636165748774662440.jpeg)

World-conqueror and avid reader Nicol Bolas returns:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/128/392/636165748856271668.jpeg)


I must have that counterspell!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 06, 2016, 12:58:46 PM
Pia's revolution HAS to go into breya deck.
Maybe the counter over just plain counterspell?
and maybe the damage spell, but it is single target and sorcery...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 06, 2016, 01:12:54 PM
I don't think you want the black spell. But 'improvise' will surely be on some cards you do want!

Revolution = definitely.

Disallow gives you a lot of added flexibility for one mana more than counterspell. I'd play it before other 3-mana counters (except maybe counterflux).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 06, 2016, 02:22:52 PM
this set is going to be supporttastic for breya I reckon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 06, 2016, 03:14:21 PM
Breya is good enough already!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 08, 2016, 11:15:15 AM
This card from C15 is perfect with partner commanders!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=405140&type=card)

They should have reprinted it in C16, really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 08, 2016, 11:55:20 AM
Scary with bruse!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 08, 2016, 09:59:35 PM
Yes!

Look at this!

(https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/ckeditor/pictures/785/content_Atlazan.jpg)

'Atlazan' is the next set after Egypt-themed Amonkhet! Also, what sort of weird booster packs are those?  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 08, 2016, 10:18:22 PM
What's hour of devastation and conquest of power!

Egypt and Atlantis.
Exciting, but I found theros a bit pants, prefer their own fluff stuff instead of mythology derivative.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 08, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
We already knew hour of devastation was the expansion to Amonkhet. So conquest must be the expansion to Atlazan!

I don't think either will be as close to the source material as Theros was. It should be fine!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 09, 2016, 03:54:36 AM
Monkeys and Azkaban? Harry Pooter? Izzit you?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 09, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
Could be.

Update on the image:
(https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/ckeditor/pictures/786/content_wotc-tweet-atlazan.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Midaski on December 09, 2016, 11:33:13 AM
Well the 'english' in that certainly sounds authentic ............................  :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 09, 2016, 10:07:48 PM
Derevi drew all the hate at FNM tonight! It turns out people don't like lux cannon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on December 10, 2016, 03:22:08 AM
You're using lux cannon now?

What's happened to you!?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 10, 2016, 03:47:28 AM
You're using lux cannon now?

What's happened to you!?

Everything changed when the Alt-Right won America.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 10, 2016, 10:10:54 AM
Yes. Evil triumphed, so now I use lux cannon and have Atraxa the proliferating Phyrexian as a commander!

(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=1488&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 10, 2016, 04:35:10 PM
Derevi lux cannon is so lame!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 10, 2016, 05:26:30 PM
Amazing, you mean!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 16, 2016, 10:23:47 PM
Ghave, Guru of Durdling.

I feel like I only win at FNM when I play mono-blue Teferi.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 29, 2016, 11:23:18 AM
These look terrifying in EDH!

(http://s3.gatheringmagic.com.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/12/28/ParadoxEngine.jpg)

(http://s3.gatheringmagic.com.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/12/28/PlanarBridge.jpg)


Paradox engine with a buyback spell and a few mana artifacts...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 02, 2017, 05:29:54 PM
Tutor-o-clasm
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/c1lRLirbrl_AER/en_LC5qCFMqVT.png)

Fish!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/c1lRLirbrl_AER/en_FwSWNoXLhn.png)

Ships
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/c1lRLirbrl_AER/en_zCWzKajA59.png)

REVOLUTION REVOLUTION REVOLUTION
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/c1lRLirbrl_AER/en_epZvDpt604.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/c1lRLirbrl_AER/en_gMPlwjT573.png)


Dwarf!
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/c1lRLirbrl_AER/en_yupcILnLaT.png)

The dwarfs are coming to solve all the world's problems!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 02, 2017, 07:10:44 PM
cool!

I love the feel of Kaladesh as a world.

Revolt looks good.
roonoclasm. also usable with my sac theme for breya, depending on the cards of course.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 03, 2017, 11:17:49 AM
Ghave likes Revolt too! So easy to trigger.

He also likes this:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/128/629/636189953700412230.jpeg)

Revolution! Destroy the consulate! Run them over with trains!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/128/617/636189681696623207.jpeg)

Proliferate-y snake!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/128/615/636189670894994789.png)
Just don't get poisoned!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 03, 2017, 12:17:47 PM
good god, aren't vehicles already pretty good in standard?
1 crew for that seems really good!


wow, rishkar plus ghave is scary! definitely worth adding.
Possibly worth adding to Marath, although I don't overly use the counters theme.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 03, 2017, 12:20:52 PM
The train looks absurdly good to me. Trample, crew one, and it gets bigger?  :icon_eek: It's even uncommon!

I'm definitely adding Rishkar to Ghave.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 04, 2017, 12:09:10 PM
Don't cast this, Breya!

(http://media.wizards.com/2016/c1lRLirbrl_AER/en_di5NosLN57.png)

Not too hard to win with clues or servos.


This would be a weird commander:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/160/836/636191816102371775.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 05, 2017, 12:21:40 PM
mech production probably goes in the deck even without the insta win.
Combustible gearhulk
ethersworn adjudicator
master of etherium
myr battlesphere
sharding sphinx
wurmcoil engine!

even works in a pinch on thopter spy network, or even Breya? (she comes into play, brings 2 thopters, then the new version dies?)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 05, 2017, 03:35:36 PM
Note that you can put it on any of your artifacts. It doesn't have to be an artifact creature. It's definitely worth playing!

Also note that the artifact you enchant doesn't have to be the one you have eight copies of to win. You can enchant a gilded lotus or something, and then win later with eight clue tokens!


Quote
or even Breya? (she comes into play, brings 2 thopters, then the new version dies?)

Yes, that works.

I think Breya's blue thopters count as having the same name as colourless thopter tokens, which makes the insta-win even easier. Probably too easy!


I could actually play mechanized production in my Teferi deck just to churn out copies of mana artifacts. Or caged sun!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 05, 2017, 03:44:37 PM
blinkoth urn for all the colourless mana!
Is that card gonna be expensive? My guess is yes. It must be abusable as hell, as well as just being good.
in a deck with g for doubling season!

Didn't twig you don't have to enchant the instant win artifact either!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 05, 2017, 04:11:22 PM
Enchant a panharmonicon! Then play an ETB creature and get a million triggers.

MTG Goldfish says it's preordering for ~6 dollars at the moment, but that will go up if it takes off in a deck. It might spike and then drop like Metallurgic Summonings.

I'm not sure there's another card that has this effect for artifacts. There are a couple for creatures (followed footsteps and progenitor mimic).


Quote
in a deck with g for doubling season!

Doubling Season costs 10 million dollars! Well, 65.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 05, 2017, 05:19:41 PM
it's loads better than metallurgic summoning. I might risk a pre-order. I guess it would drop down once cycled out of standard probably...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 05, 2017, 09:52:17 PM
Woops spoiler season in full flow.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 05, 2017, 10:31:06 PM
It's probably safe to leave it and buy one in a month or so. That works for most cards!

The full spoiler is out tomorrow, and the prerelease is in another week. Sooner than I thought.

Skypirate and monkey:
(http://i.imgur.com/jQTD4PQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JbpKYFn.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 07, 2017, 10:57:29 AM
The full set is up. Amazing art! Quite a lot of dwarfs!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/aether-revolt

Also:
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/c1lRLirbrl_AER/en_EBAuYV3Zn3.png)


Doesn't this
(http://media.wizards.com/2016/c1lRLirbrl_AER/en_50506d5iUZ.png)
get as many +1/+1s as you like if you have a zero-cost activated ability? Moving a lightning greaves between two creatures would do it, for example.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 09, 2017, 10:39:44 AM
Article about combos in Aether Revolt. There are a lot!

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/comboing-and-brewing-with-aether-revolt
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 09, 2017, 09:30:14 PM
Emrakul, smuggler's copter and reflector mage are all banned in standard!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-9-2017-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2017-01-09

I think this is the first standard ban since jace the mindsculptor and stoneforge mystic!

 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 12, 2017, 06:58:17 AM
I think the modern bannings weren't that unrealistic. The problem I have is, how safe is your deck. To much in the spotlight will kill it.

On the better part, the alterings are done on the unfoilable cards for my Uril Edh deck :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 12, 2017, 11:27:06 AM
Modern seems like such an unappealing format. The card prices are totally absurd, and decks are at constant risk of having vital cards banned. Plus it doesn't even look fun to play, from what I've seen!


On the better part, the alterings are done on the unfoilable cards for my Uril Edh deck :::cheers:::

What did you have done? Show us!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 12, 2017, 11:32:12 AM

that aether revolt combo article from mtg goldfish talking about a turn 2 emrakul, aeons thingamy.

sounds fun...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 12, 2017, 01:10:37 PM
Not my idea of fun, certainly!

Pricewatch: neither smuggler's copter nor emrakul has lost much value due to the banning, but various other cards like ulamog and the new mythic vehicle have gained a lot.

Atraxa is 25 dollars! That's nearly as much as her commander deck costs!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on January 12, 2017, 05:55:22 PM
On the better part, the alterings are done on the unfoilable cards for my Uril Edh deck :::cheers:::

What did you have done? Show us!
Patience, they are on their way to me. I only have the pictures from the artist, and I can only show them in full glory in the whole deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 12, 2017, 05:58:46 PM
mechanized production pre=ordering at Ģ4.

too much for me to buy yet!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 14, 2017, 01:00:38 PM
mechanized production pre=ordering at Ģ4.

too much for me to buy yet!

I don't know if it will drop that much, even if it doesn't catch on in standard. It's a mythic with a lot of casual appeal. However, this is the worst time to buy most new cards. Nearly everything should drop if you wait a couple of months.

Someone used it (well, a proxy, since it isn't available yet) in EDH at FNM last night, and it seemed really good.


I really want a paradox engine!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 24, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
So far, the breakout card of Aether Revolt is... walking ballista!

(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Walking%2BBallista%2B%255BAER%255D.jpg)

B/G counter decks are ruling the waves. The magical waves. So the green gearhulk from Kaladesh has shot back up too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 24, 2017, 11:30:51 AM
damnit, i want that green gearhulk!

havent b/g counters been the top deck for absolutely ages?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 24, 2017, 11:41:06 AM
I think B/G delirium (using Emrakul and that legendary spider) was the big deck. This one uses some of the same cards, but focuses on +1/+1 counters.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-g-b-aggro-32991#paper

The gearhulk had dropped due to not being used much, but is now back to where it was at release. You'll have to wait a while for it to drop again!

I quite wanted that elf legend, but he's gone up too. I'm not sure I'd actually want to include him in Ghave's deck though. I'd probably be better off with cryptolith rite.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2017, 09:29:22 AM
Amonkhet!

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/images/daily/y73DnfLvg1.png)


-1/-1 counters are in it. Persist? Wither? Not infect, I hope.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 21, 2017, 12:26:08 PM
Persistent mummies, seems to fit thematically?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 21, 2017, 12:55:09 PM
That would certainly make sense. And some of the preview art has mummies in it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on February 22, 2017, 06:19:18 AM
I don't think they will reuse the infect ability, or in such a way it isn't really useful anymore.
Probably wither or persist, which is a nice ability.
Kitchen Finks is such a fun card! Unfortunately I don't have a deck in which I can use it :happy:

I was down with the flu a little more then a week, so I think I will  be able to take some pictures of my decks this week or weekend.

And I finished an new goblin EDH deck for Eurobash :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 27, 2017, 05:08:43 PM
Me: holy shit they're reprinting damnation.

Me two seconds later: oh, in modern masters :(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 28, 2017, 10:58:26 AM
Also the enemy-coloured fetchlands! So no big price drop then.

Post those deck photos, Novogord!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 28, 2017, 11:56:02 AM
Novo what's your eurobash deck like? I'm thinking of buying my online Breya deck.
It's a strong deck, within the limitations that Rufus and I play with (no tutors, no infinite combos, some vagueish price restrictions).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on February 28, 2017, 06:34:59 PM
Novo what's your eurobash deck like? I'm thinking of buying my online Breya deck.
It's a strong deck, within the limitations that Rufus and I play with (no tutors, no infinite combos, some vagueish price restrictions).
Well I can bring two multiplayer decks, one like yours, my daretti deck has no know infinity combo, just some artifact stuff.
My other is also mono red goblins and has some infinity combo's (which can be fun).
The other is my Uril decks, which isn't great in multi player edh.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on February 28, 2017, 06:35:44 PM
Also the enemy-coloured fetchlands! So no big price drop then.

Post those deck photos, Novogord!
Soon master, soon!
The alters:
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15965558_734017976754502_3378916397341207263_n.jpg?oh=16e9f40d606cc353eb5adda38df060f5&oe=593E4626)
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114847_737451563077810_5170813990072810561_n.jpg?oh=a0ea2617d13c29c4a2a8fdc7be85be9b&oe=59718442)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on February 28, 2017, 06:38:40 PM
Made by Cereal Alters! Great to notch work, only it took a while before they where completed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 03, 2017, 10:59:08 AM
Those looks interesting! It's pretty bold to do that to ABU duals though!

Is that an inkmoth nexus? Infect in EDH?  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 03, 2017, 02:10:42 PM
Those looks interesting! It's pretty bold to do that to ABU duals though!

Is that an inkmoth nexus? Infect in EDH?  ::heretic::
No worries, it was in the same batch that I ordered but it isn't in the deck.
I'm not that mean to play infect in EDH :icon_razz:
But I liked the alter that much, so I showed it to you guys. Cerealalters does some very nice work!

Bold?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 03, 2017, 02:28:17 PM
Having expensive and unreprintable cards altered is bold! What if it had gone wrong?  :Ohmy:

I'm glad you aren't playing infect! I've yet to see anyone dare to try that in EDH.


In other news, the new modern masters set is full of good reprints! It's pretty crazy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 03, 2017, 03:22:32 PM
Having expensive and unreprintable cards altered is bold! What if it had gone wrong?  :Ohmy:
That is why I use someone with a good reputation ;-)
But it is always a calculated risk...

I'm glad you aren't playing infect! I've yet to see anyone dare to try that in EDH.
I've had one, he didn't survive very long in multiplayer. Even less long then Uril!

In other news, the new modern masters set is full of good reprints! It's pretty crazy.
This year it is full of goodies and I didn't order a box  :-(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2017, 11:50:13 AM
After saying I'd never seen infect in EDH, someone at FNM had the infect dragon! Fortunately not in a game I was playing.  ::heretic::

I hope the rumours of modern masters having a large print run are true. There are quite a few cards in it that I want, but are horribly overpriced at the moment (craterhoof!).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 05, 2017, 01:51:21 PM
You flipped your shit when I used craterhoof once.

Is that an fnm only card?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 05, 2017, 10:38:22 PM
Craterhoof is about 20 quid at the moment! The modern masters one is preordering around 10. So still expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 06, 2017, 07:23:29 AM
Craterhoof is about 20 quid at the moment! The modern masters one is preordering around 10. So still expensive.
Because he is used in Legacy Elves a lot. He is a good card in EDH elves to.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 06, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
Yes, I know a guy who plays EDH elves sometimes. The Hoof is the main win condition.

I'd like one to play in my Ghave deck (tutor directly into play with Pattern of Rebirth!), but I probably don't need it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 07, 2017, 06:54:43 AM
Yeah, there are probably better cards for him like avenger of zendikar or bane of progress.

For the price, it is only NM cards I suppose? Because played once can get a lot cheaper?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 14, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
Yes, I meant the NM price. I haven't tried to buy one. I don't even have an avenger of zendikar!


The Might vs Mind duel deck looks interesting. The two 'face' cards are low-value reprints, but could make for nice theme decks. Maybe a snow theme for Lovisa's deck?

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/images/daily/en_iG83kYCpA9.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/images/daily/en_0GyTTkUXXH.png)

All the duel decks since Izzet vs Golgari (which is still the only one I've bought) have been pretty dull.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 14, 2017, 08:54:57 PM
V critical article of the state of standard, and wizards in general. (although there were no ban changes)

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/wizards-can-t-ban-away-standard-s-problems-but-they-ll-probably-try

Quote
In the past year or two, Wizards has made it clear that it sees Magic not so much as a game but as a brand that it can use to sell merchandise, art books, and maybe even movies someday. The issue is that the push to being a brand rather than a game has had a hugely negative impact on the game itself. We see story cards and mechanics being pushed to absurd power levels (think Emrakul, the Promised End or Vehicles). After all, no one will want to buy an Emrakul, the Promised End bobble head if Emrakul, the Promised End isn't good. We've seen the proliferation of "the Gatewatch," characters who will doubtlessly be essential to the long-rumored "Magic movie." The messages we get from new Wizards CEO Chris Cocks sound eerily like "That Guy,"" the frozen "1980s dollar jockey" who briefly took over as the CEO of Planet Express: "Get back to the farm, shift some paradigms, revolutionize outside the box..."

Basically, it feels like Wizards has sold out. Instead of the primary focus being to make the game as good as possible, the goal is to draw as many new players as possible, or sell as much branded merchandise as possible, or "grow the brand."

Where ave I kinda seen this before...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 16, 2017, 09:33:23 AM
V critical article of the state of standard, and wizards in general. (although there were no ban changes)

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/wizards-can-t-ban-away-standard-s-problems-but-they-ll-probably-try

Quote
In the past year or two, Wizards has made it clear that it sees Magic not so much as a game but as a brand that it can use to sell merchandise, art books, and maybe even movies someday. The issue is that the push to being a brand rather than a game has had a hugely negative impact on the game itself. We see story cards and mechanics being pushed to absurd power levels (think Emrakul, the Promised End or Vehicles). After all, no one will want to buy an Emrakul, the Promised End bobble head if Emrakul, the Promised End isn't good. We've seen the proliferation of "the Gatewatch," characters who will doubtlessly be essential to the long-rumored "Magic movie." The messages we get from new Wizards CEO Chris Cocks sound eerily like "That Guy,"" the frozen "1980s dollar jockey" who briefly took over as the CEO of Planet Express: "Get back to the farm, shift some paradigms, revolutionize outside the box..."

Basically, it feels like Wizards has sold out. Instead of the primary focus being to make the game as good as possible, the goal is to draw as many new players as possible, or sell as much branded merchandise as possible, or "grow the brand."

Where ave I kinda seen this before...
Does the name of the company starts with Games?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 17, 2017, 11:41:43 AM
my phyrexian arena arrived!

only been talking about buying one for 2.5 years or something!

I probably want to buy another copy to stay in Erebos' deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2017, 11:47:59 AM
At last! Which version is it? Conspiracy?

Erebos will definitely want one too. I play it in three different decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 17, 2017, 11:51:00 AM
c15 I think.

yeh I will use it in Erebos, it's whether I faff aorund moving it between decks.
Probably only worth it for Ģ5+ cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2017, 12:02:57 PM
I have one of each art! Apocalypse, C15 and Conspiracy 2.

I never move cards between decks. Teferi doesn't share his time spiral!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 19, 2017, 11:25:28 PM
I dropped donut sugar on my magic cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 20, 2017, 08:34:04 AM
I dropped donut sugar on my magic cards.
With or without protection?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 20, 2017, 09:55:32 AM
As I was sleeving them up.

derp derp.

Still need to buy Boris charm, Merciless Eviction, Shambling Vent and Temple of Epiphany.

There's some good stuff in the precon that I'm not using- sharuum the hegemon sticks out to me, or possibly silas renn.
I've also got Bosh from the Daretti deck.

I don't really like master trinketeer or soul of new phyrexia (mana intensive abilities).

And also think I possibly need to squeeze in a ravnica guild signet or two, as I am running the deck pretty land light.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 20, 2017, 03:01:17 PM
As I was sleeving them up.

derp derp.

Still need to buy Boris charm, Merciless Eviction, Shambling Vent and Temple of Epiphany.

There's some good stuff in the precon that I'm not using- sharuum the hegemon sticks out to me, or possibly silas renn.
I've also got Bosh from the Daretti deck.

I don't really like master trinketeer or soul of new phyrexia (mana intensive abilities).

And also think I possibly need to squeeze in a ravnica guild signet or two, as I am running the deck pretty land light.
I have a boros charm spare if  you would be interested.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 22, 2017, 11:36:43 AM
Might vs Mind decklists:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/duel-decks-mind-vs-might-2017-03-20

No snow lands! But they included Reach Through Mists + Peer Through Depths + Sift Through Sands => The Unspeakable, which is by far the coolest thing from Kamigawa. I think the decks might be fun to play.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 28, 2017, 10:37:40 AM
Amonkhet!

(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Archfiend%2Bof%2BIfnir%2B%255BAKH%255D.jpg)

(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Oracle%2527s%2BVault%2B%255BAKH%255D.jpg)

Cycling! Brick counters! Mummies!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 28, 2017, 11:40:16 AM
-1/-1 counters on everything!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 28, 2017, 12:07:00 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/130/872/200/283/636262069088476896.png)

dat art doe

aftermath spells!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 28, 2017, 02:41:04 PM
Zombie goatman!

Aftermath spells are going to be hard to read on cockatrice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 28, 2017, 04:02:24 PM
I'm thinking an orzhov commander, utilising tokens, populate, embalm, zombie tribal and -1/-1 counters.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 29, 2017, 08:22:28 AM
Could be good!

Less good: the ultra-rare reprint cards this time around look weird:

(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Consecrated%2BSphinx%2B%255BMPS%255D.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 29, 2017, 08:57:41 AM
I like them!

Wrath of God looks great
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 29, 2017, 09:27:45 AM
They'll look odd next to normal cards though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 30, 2017, 09:15:14 AM
The art seems great, the execution seems less...

I hope you guys are ready for some EDH on sunday :-D
3 decks ready!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 30, 2017, 09:36:52 AM
Got my breya deck ready, just need to order one manland and one temple

I'll buy the spare Boris charm off you Novo, it's Ģ1.68 on troll trader
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2017, 10:51:55 AM
Embalm is more or less flashback for creatures. It should be good!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/130/961/636264114532610078.png)


A full list of the invocations (except for the new gods):

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/masterpiece-series-amonkhet-invocations-2017-03-29

There are some surprisingly low-value cards there - counterspell? Dark ritual?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 30, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
flashvback that makes them zombies and tokens so can use both of those.

new gods?!
same as Theros ones?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 30, 2017, 02:56:10 PM
Five new mono-coloured gods, but no info so far on their mechanics. They might not use devotion.


Aven Mindcensor reprint!
(https://collected.company/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Aven_Mindcensor_EN-215x300.png)


Cat snake! ?
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Prowling%2BSerpopad%2B%255BAKH%255D.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 31, 2017, 09:05:15 AM
I never used him in edh, too trolly considering we don't use tutors.

Do you use him in any decks at your fnms rufels?

I'll probably put that catsnake in any green decks I have!

fuck off blue! hahahaha.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 31, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
I've never used Aven mindcensor because the card was (a) quite expensive and (b) had that horrible future-shifted frame. I might use this one! Bird wizard = Derevi's friend. But only at FNM.

Cat snake astonished me by being a cat snake! It's the weirdest creature type since fish crab. But, it's a good card. Surrak Dragonclaw's ability!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 31, 2017, 09:06:07 PM
Cycling dual lands with basic land types!

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_nsXw6JpzGH.png)


But.... only in allied pairs! I hope they do enemy pairs too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 03, 2017, 01:31:03 PM
Kahlia, Freyalise, Daxos and derevi precon commander decks getting reprinted as one product.

weird.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 03, 2017, 03:08:02 PM
Yes, that's 'commander anthology.' I'm not sure what the point is really.


Aftermath is real!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_ruO9016cNL.png)

That one is an instant and a sorcery, which is weird.


Red god!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_3zm4wIPG70.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 03, 2017, 06:06:06 PM
He's shit!
Damnit.

Also hate that aftermath card design .
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 03, 2017, 06:40:09 PM
I'm hoping the blue one will be good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 03, 2017, 07:16:14 PM
I guess he's maybe good if embalming and aftermath are really prevalent? A 3 turn clock if discarding what you drew and attacking.

Maybe they made the theros ones too good and these will all suck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 04, 2017, 10:27:53 AM
She's probably fine in standard (madness is still around too), but I doubt she'd be worth it in EDH. Purphoros need not fear for his job!

Maybe the blue one will have an opposite theme? Can't attack or block unless you have at least n cards in hand, and an activated draw ability? And also flying.


Rules change on split cards! Now their converted mana cost is always the sum of both halves, instead of sometimes being that and sometimes being either of the halves individually. This means (for example) that you can no longer put fire/ice on an isocron sceptre!  :Ohmy:

In general though, the change makes sense.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 04, 2017, 11:45:22 AM
and b/g might be related to cards in grave (although g could also be p/t of other creatures you control?)

It's the haste on the red one I don't get. She's surely rarely going to be hasting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 04, 2017, 12:12:18 PM
Right. Haste + 4 mana indestructible = good! But no attacking unless on 1 or 0 cards clashes with that.  :icon_confused: It should be first strike instead.

These gods are easier to kill than the Theros gods too, since they're always creatures and thus more vulnerable to things like tragic slip and swords to plowshares.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 04, 2017, 03:08:39 PM
Embalm legend:
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_fLjTDYfsCi.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_Bi0nMOU6Uo.png)
Every embalm card has its own token!

Monuments:
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_wi5PZwuCvA.png)
Each has a different triggered ability.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on April 04, 2017, 03:19:52 PM
Some of this art is pretty cool!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 04, 2017, 03:35:22 PM
Yes, it is!

A couple more cards: flash oblivion ring that also cycles (though when do you not need this effect?)
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/131/99/636268976866932200.png)

Drakechantment
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/131/98/636268974492154009.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 04, 2017, 04:09:14 PM
i wish that embalm legend wasn't w/u.
Not the best colours for graveyard value.

unlblockable tokens is pretty good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 04, 2017, 04:13:00 PM
I'd have expected him to be W/B, but apparently embalm is focused on W and U. Black is for angry mummies!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 04, 2017, 04:25:27 PM
which is fine for limited and standard, but hurts their EDH use.
Obviously not everything in the block needs to be for EDH, but hope there are some nice goodies!

nothing has stuck out to me yet like "I fucking want ot play that" or "good lord I hope rufus doesnt play that!" which it did in kaladesh and c16!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 04, 2017, 11:04:02 PM
blue god

3 mana, 5/5 flying indestructo!

(http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/amonkhet/28657-kefnet-the-mindful)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 05, 2017, 09:32:59 AM
I think channeler initiate might be decent for EDH?
a 3 turn multi coloured mana dork, that finishes up with a semi-decent body?

maybe not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 05, 2017, 09:40:16 AM
why did this happen, when I want to buy one? spiked from 80 cents to 5 dollars!
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Journey+into+Nyx/Temple+of+Epiphany#online



I like the monuments a lot.

rhona's monument maybe to go into mina deck?

Oketra's monument definitely goes into any white token deck.

Bontu's monument maybe into Erebos? extra fuel for card draw life payment. Definitely wants to go in orzhov themed decks.

Hazoeret's monument probably good in a Feldon/Daretti deck (but I never got mine to work, you did though rufus).

Would be handy in Breya but I probably don't have enough red creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 05, 2017, 10:09:44 AM
why did this happen, when I want to buy one? spiked from 80 cents to 5 dollars!
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Journey+into+Nyx/Temple+of+Epiphany#online

You have the online price chart there. The paper price is ~$3, which is about as low as it's ever been. It's more expensive than some of the other temples because it was printed in the last set of the Theros block.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 05, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
The monuments do seem good. I'd definitely play the red one with Daretti, since I use quite a lot of red creatures and the discard/draw is handy. The black one is great for Karlov!

Only the blue one is a bit dubious, unless you're playing a weird mono-blue aggro deck.


blue god

3 mana, 5/5 flying indestructo!

(http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/amonkhet/28657-kefnet-the-mindful)

Yes, I quite like him!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/131/107/636269167337247129.png)

More EDHable than the red one. I might play him with Teferi.


Quote
I think channeler initiate might be decent for EDH?
a 3 turn multi coloured mana dork, that finishes up with a semi-decent body?

I don't like playing a lot of mana creatures in EDH because they're vulnerable, and there are quite a lot of better ones than that guy. Maybe he's worth a try though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 05, 2017, 10:33:00 AM
temple was like Ģ1 on troll and mct, now it's Ģ2 and out of stock. They're quite expensibe on ebay!

maybe i'll just buy one of the amonkhet ones, although no ur obviously.

Seems a good control beater, as can draw you too. Is it too hard to keep 7+ cards even in EDH?

i'm adding rishkar's expertise into Marath, do you think Baral's is worth for Breya? I think it might be?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 05, 2017, 03:16:24 PM
I'm surprised it was ever Ģ1! All the others are more than that, except for u/g, r/w and r/g. Epiphany has always been the most expensive when I've looked.

Quote
Is it too hard to keep 7+ cards even in EDH?

Easy if you're already winning, hard if you're not!  But he's pretty good as a repeatable, indestructable draw engine anyway. He also enables landfall if you want.


Rishkar's is great, but I'm not sure about Baral's expertise. I probably wouldn't play it with Breya.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 05, 2017, 09:32:04 PM
This with Atraxa!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/131/145/636270055745765930.jpeg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 06, 2017, 03:41:01 PM
Bad news for artifacts!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/131/163/636270626891154767.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 06, 2017, 03:51:31 PM
possibly standard meta shifting?
FU vehicles.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 06, 2017, 03:56:23 PM
It's about time they printed some decent hate cards! There's graveyard hate in this set too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 07, 2017, 10:41:51 AM
This is quite cool:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/131/184/636270763601027565.jpeg)

Snakes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 08, 2017, 06:51:16 AM
Champion of ronas holy shit!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 11, 2017, 03:15:09 PM
It does look good!


Also, the minotaur legend that should have been in Theros!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_pj4Tb9UwJn.png)

Minotaur tribal deck incoming.


Do I want to play this with Teferi?
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_tpDnyktC7Z.png)
A third instant X-draw after blue sun and stroke of genius.


X-spell planeswalker! Unusual.
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_w08Rh46uHS.png)


The green god:
(http://i.imgur.com/bJF06Bh.png)
This one seems really strong.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 11, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
probably wants to go in my trample deck!

the white god seems ok too.

I hate the "one or fewer card in hand" cost. way too steep! fuck that mechanic. poor red god and minotaur champion.

I'm still feeling overall pretty underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 11, 2017, 04:03:30 PM
The green god's drawback is so easy to overcome: any 2 power creature + his activated ability! I can imagine playing him in all sorts of decks.

The white one is similar to Heliod, but probably not as good.

Minotaur guy plays well with reanimation and madness.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 11, 2017, 05:21:53 PM
The green god's drawback is so easy to overcome: any 2 power creature + his activated ability! I can imagine playing him in all sorts of decks.

The white one is similar to Heliod, but probably not as good.

Minotaur guy plays well with reanimation and madness.


right, he overcomes it on his own with 0 deck building change as literally all decks have some 2+power creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2017, 08:35:45 AM
Parallel Lives reprint... as a white card!
(http://i.imgur.com/O7hwrlo.png)


This guy wrecks vehicles:
(http://i.imgur.com/Lf3HfFu.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 12, 2017, 10:07:25 AM
the first card I know i'm definitely buying!
I think that will probably see standard play though, so in 2 years I guess.
That and parallel lives in marath or ghave :O

Not sure about Harsh Mentor for EDH. Wrecks certain decks completely, but building for vs specific decks is pretty lame. Are activated abilities prevalent enough he's really worth using?
in a multiplayer pod he might just annoy your opponents without actually doing consequential damage.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 12, 2017, 10:08:41 AM
the black god is like a super powered viscera seer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2017, 10:38:46 AM
Yes, I don't think Bontu is that good.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/131/298/636275486131846257.png)

I'd rather have Erebos!


I'd hope that procession will be cheaper than parallel lives. At least once the hype wears off. It might cause parallel lives to drop too, by reducing demand. This effect is probably better in white than in green. I'm going to get one at some point! Zombie Daxos wants it as well as Ghave.


Mentor is likely good in standard/modern/legacy, but not as effective in EDH. He shuts down some combo-decks but won't do much at all to a lot of decks. And, as you say he'll annoy people in multiplayer! I had that problem when I played an artifact-hating enchantment in a game where someone else had a Breya deck - it enraged them and so they attacked me every turn!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 12, 2017, 01:45:24 PM
I think Bontu has a place as a sac outlet that you may get to swing with.

only 3cmc!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2017, 03:08:02 PM
That's true. Maybe it's good enough then.

Random Naya commander!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_ZwfaTSMgZp.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 12, 2017, 03:34:53 PM
interesting array of keywords plus ability.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 12, 2017, 07:04:53 PM
Holy crap a clone with embalm.

Hey realised breya deck wants anointed procession too.

Hope it does not make standard!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 12, 2017, 08:58:26 PM
4 mana! Not bad.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/131/311/636275951586781675.jpeg)

I don't like the idea of Breya doubling tokens!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 13, 2017, 10:25:01 AM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/332/200/283/636276396590207000.png)

is this good? it seems a bit win more-ish.
potentially a really big effect.
but if you're attacking with a bunch of creatures you're probably winning anyway.

unless your deck is doing other stuff to tap creatures.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2017, 10:31:13 AM
That's a weird one! The creatures needing to be tapped is a bit awkward. Still, you only need two tapped creatures for it to be Explosive Vegetation for one less mana.

I think I'd play it.


Quote
unless your deck is doing other stuff to tap creatures.

Riding in vehicles! Or tapping for mana with Cryptolith Rite.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 13, 2017, 10:35:48 AM
I can see it with derevi with a mana dork, a kazandu tusk caller, the simic ug guy who taps and a derevi combat trigger or two to tap a few things you don't want to attack with.

the fact you only need 2 creatures tapped to make it better than explosive vegetation, and cultivate means it probably is good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2017, 10:43:18 AM
Derevi does seem a good deck to play it in! I'll try it for sure.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2017, 03:27:00 PM
I like this card!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_13KqTK74C8.png)


Apparently, Torrential Gearhulk can cast the memory half for free, even though it's a sorcery!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 13, 2017, 03:56:37 PM
I like the super colour fixing land! definitely going in breya, and probably all 3 colour decks I have.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 13, 2017, 04:01:12 PM
Is it that good though? It costs you 6 mana to get 5.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/131/337/636276723286434748.png)

I don't think I'd play that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 14, 2017, 10:26:41 PM
Full card list:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/amonkhet

I quite like this:
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_EY091nJHiO.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2017, 03:08:06 PM
Commander 2017 announced!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-commander-2017-edition-2017-04-18

August 25! Not November as is normal.

Tribal decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 18, 2017, 04:00:14 PM
That seems soon!

Hope they're tribes i like.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 18, 2017, 04:01:50 PM
It is soon!

Goblins? Slivers? Zombies? Who knows.


Also, the next set is called 'Ixalan.'
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 20, 2017, 03:07:01 PM
Commander is in August because they're doing 'Iconic Masters' in November.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/products/iconic-masters

Quote
Iconic Masters offers players a tour through some of the most powerful cards in over 23 years of Magic history. Featuring new artwork on many cards, the set brings an array of massive Angels, Sphinxes, Demons, Dragons, and Hydras alongside some of our favorite and most memorable spells. Every box of Iconic Masters contains 24 booster packs—each with fifteen randomly inserted game cards, including one premium card in every pack. Get your friends together to embark on one of the most iconic and power-packed Draft experiences yet!

Another expensive reprint set!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 21, 2017, 10:27:17 AM
Cards I probably want from Amonkhet (* = especially want):

Anointed Procession*
Aven Mindcensor
Cast Out
Dusk to Dawn
Forsake the Worldly
As Foretold (probably too expensive)
Commit to Memory*
Kefnet the Mindful
Pull from Tomorrow*
Harvest Season*
Manglehorn
Shefnet Monitor
Vizier of the Menagerie
Cycling lands

Quite a few! I'm not sure if I should go to the prerelease, or just buy these separately.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 21, 2017, 12:37:34 PM
damnit I was writing out what I wanted and then deleted the post!

I want quite a few, then some are dependent on new decks.

Anointed procession (breya)
and harvest season (any green decks) probably the two easiest to slot in!

harsh mentor (any red deck)
rhonas's monument (for mina and den)
vizier of the menagerie (replaces garruk's horde)

possibles:
khenra charioteer (for mina and den)?
Prepare // Fight (marath)?
mouth // feed (marath)?
sandwurm convergence
vizier of many faces (really good but no decks)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 21, 2017, 01:19:29 PM
Uh oh!

I don't really want to make any completely new decks (I have enough), so I'm only going to buy cards that fit into existing decks.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 25, 2017, 08:29:58 AM
Leovold, Emissary of Trest = banned!

Protean Hulk = unbanned!

Both in EDH.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 25, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
don't use either of them.
Protean hulk seems absolutely broken AF though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 25, 2017, 09:18:29 AM
Leovold is horrific, but I've never seen anyone play him due to the hatred it would draw.

Protean Hulk is probably a nasty combo engine. It has price-spiked like crazy since yesterday!


I've been reading a thread about protean hulk. It sounds horrendous. Aven Mindcensor and Ob Nixilis, Unshacked at the ready!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 27, 2017, 10:19:56 AM
Emergency ban on Felidar Guardian in standard! No more infini-cat combo with Saheeli!

Not that I play standard, but the format has been pretty broken for a while now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 27, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
they've really fucked this standard, haven't they.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 27, 2017, 10:49:01 AM
Yes. It's a terrible mess! Not as bad as Mirrodin or Urza's Saga though.

It's pretty astonishing that they didn't even notice the infinite combo in playtesting.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 27, 2017, 10:50:16 AM
Been a mess for a while because they did those vehicle bannings a while back too.
Might put them off doing more vehicles, or introducing such different mechanics in the future. (although felidar infinite obv not a vehicle combo)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 27, 2017, 11:02:47 AM
They only banned Smuggler's Copter, though Heart of Kiran has taken over from it. Most vehicles were fine! Like how most of the original equipment cards were fine, apart from Skullclamp.

The big problem has been a lack of powerful answers compared to the threats, which Wizards have acknowledged.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 02, 2017, 01:21:20 PM
Flashing in an Aven Mindcensor in response to a Tempt with Discovery felt really great. Have fun searching the top four cards of your deck for lands while I search all of mine!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 04, 2017, 11:32:31 AM
Magic Online is using a new ban list for commander!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-online/1v1-commander-banned-list

It's for multiplayer as well as 1vs 1. Some notable extra cards compared to the paper ban list: Sol Ring (!), Sensei's Divining Top, Survival of the Fittest, Mana Vault, Derevi (!). Some that aren't there: Prophet of Kruphix, Primeval Titan, Leovold.

I wonder if people will start using this list for paper commander games too. Or even use both ban lists combined.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 10, 2017, 03:45:52 PM
woo, just got anointed procession for 1.79 posted on ebay
cheapter than mct and troll trader.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 10, 2017, 04:01:17 PM
That's good! It's trending up in price at the moment.

I bought one to put into my zombie Daxos deck. I don't have room in Ghave's deck for it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 10, 2017, 04:25:13 PM
I think it might drop again, but it had gone to Ģ2 on MCT. Long term, it's a 5er card without reprints, ala parallel lives.

So i'm happy to pay 1.79 now and make sure I have it for walkoclasm 2017: Peak district edition.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 11, 2017, 08:51:42 AM
flourishing defences (which I didn't add due to too high cmc I felt?) and dusk urchins are 2 of the top 5 trending winners on mtg goldfish.
Urchins gone up from .50 to 7.00!

Guess lots of people like Hapatra. Is she seeing any modern or legacy (I would guess not?), or is it all EDH driving?

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 11, 2017, 09:01:53 AM
Yes, I was going to say that actually: Hapatra has caused price spikes on the best -1/-1 counter cards, like Karlov did on lifegain cards and Atraxa did on... everything remotely related to her.

Yes, it's EDH demand. I think she is in the top four most popular on EDH.rec. This is not a good time to make a real-life Hapatra deck! Hype hype hype.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 11, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
did karlov lifegain spike go back down?
You either need to get in early, or wait I guess!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 11, 2017, 09:51:03 AM
I don't know, actually. I gave up on Karlov when I realised he was a really boring commander. I bet the cards went down, but not as low as the pre-spike levels.

It depends if people get sick of Hapatra quickly or not!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 11, 2017, 09:54:34 AM
it's fine for cards that have been reprinted, but not for dusk urchins, which only had 1 print a while ago. boo, other people liking things.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 11, 2017, 10:15:01 AM
People ruin everything!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 11, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
I get annoyed by lack of reprints driving silly prices, I get annoyed by other formats driving cards that aren't amazing but useful in EDH higher than I want to buy (eg, Ģ4 abrupt decay), and also get annoyed by EDH driving prices apparently.

so in conclusion, I get annoyed when prices go up.


all the good -1 cards are out of stock everywhere!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 11, 2017, 10:27:27 AM
I agree with you! But Wizards have been making more of an effort with reprints over the last year or so though (conspiracy and C16 had a lot of good ones). A lot of the trouble is caused by market speculators buying up large quantities of cards. Also, Shadowmoor (the set with the most -1/-1 stuff) was apparently not that popular and so the supply is fairly low.

You needed to psychically know you'd want to build a -1/-1 themed deck before Hapatra was revealed, really.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 12, 2017, 09:24:05 PM
I thought I'd play my zombie Daxos deck at FNM, because I don't use it much. Now I remember why.

It's really boring. The C15 commander decks are my least favourite.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 12, 2017, 09:39:35 PM
yeh, experience was pretty shit really wasn't it.

Missing once in what, 5 years? not bad.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 12, 2017, 09:44:55 PM
I thought I'd like C15 the most, because they were enemy-paired decks. But no.

I thought I'd hate the C14 decks, because they were mono-coloured and had planeswalker commanders, but those are the best ones!


There's probably an instructive moral there somewhere.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 12, 2017, 09:51:36 PM
I thought I'd like C15 the most, because they were enemy-paired decks. But no.

I thought I'd hate the C14 decks, because they were mono-coloured and had planeswalker commanders, but those are the best ones!


There's probably an instructive moral there somewhere.
I almost pre-ordered all the c15 decks, (after they spiked high value for c14), then didnt buy any!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 12, 2017, 09:59:11 PM
A lucky escape!

I hope C17 will be good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 25, 2017, 10:25:44 AM
Fatal Push is an FNM promo!

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/images/daily/rxUBnnOsOK.png)

Good choice, Wizards.

Not that it's playable in commander.


Also: possible Commander17 leak! Dragon tribal:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/777087-c17-possible-leaks-real-fake-not-yet-determined
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 25, 2017, 11:41:37 AM
huh?

What is the rumoured colour set-up for c17?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 25, 2017, 12:43:30 PM
C17 will have four tribal decks with no colour balance (they'll be whichever colours fit the tribes). If the leak is real, one of them will be 5-colour dragons!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 25, 2017, 01:07:35 PM
huh.

that makes me feel mildly paniced.

PANIC PANIC PANIC.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 25, 2017, 01:24:29 PM
Uh oh! Why?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 25, 2017, 01:59:45 PM
because it's weird!

I think it will be harder to balance?
the lands and stuff needed for 5 mana decks, so wont any 5 mana deck just inherently be more expensive than lower?

How will I know which decks to buy! which decks will be best value!

arghhhh

it seems weird to be doing 5 colour dragon, when scion of the ur dragon is a thing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 25, 2017, 02:05:40 PM
ok panic turned to HYPE.

multiple legendary alternate dragon commanders.


wasitoru is broken.
flying, trample, huge body, 5 cmc, gross combat damage ability- that will be really easy to trigger due to the flying, trample, huge body.


i think i need 3/3 flying cat dragons in my life.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 25, 2017, 04:19:10 PM
They did a good job on the mana-fixing for the 4-colour decks. 5-colour is just as easy really.

We don 't know for sure yet if these are real cards, though they do look very authentic.

I'm not surprised they've done tribal dragons, because everyone loves dragons! It's going to be hard to find three other tribes as popular.


Quote
wasitoru is broken.
flying, trample, huge body, 5 cmc, gross combat damage ability- that will be really easy to trigger due to the flying, trample, huge body.

Not as broken as Prossh!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2017, 10:42:36 AM
Two more possible leaks from the dragon deck:

Ramos, a robot dragon whose grave and remains featured way back in Mercadian Masques!
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/777117-another-possible-c17-leak-ramos-dragon-engine

Taigam, a character from Tarkir who didn't get a card until now:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/777115-another-possible-c17-leak-taigam
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 26, 2017, 10:55:20 AM
there's only 4 commander 17 decks.
Does that mean price of each will go up, and consequently more value in each one?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2017, 11:33:15 AM
I think they'll be the same price as the last lot. I don't remember a price increase being announced.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on May 26, 2017, 11:45:25 AM
I found something saying $34.99. i think thats the rrp now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on May 26, 2017, 11:47:00 AM
That's the rrp of the C16 decks too.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2017, 10:10:40 AM
Hour of Devastation leaks! Nicol Bolas and planeswalker Samut:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/hour-of-devastation-daily-spoilers-june-1-2017-nicol-bolas-and-samut-planeswalker

Are they leaking these things on purpose for some reason? It keeps happening.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 02, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
FNM winning streak. I won two games with bird boss/abzan partners, then one with Derevi. Lat week I won both games I played too. Hurrah.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 03, 2017, 07:43:25 PM
4 games of mltiplayer in a row is a bit good!

who are the bird boss abzan partners?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 03, 2017, 09:00:44 PM
Five in a row actually! Two weeks, all games won. Against good decks too!

It was the two from the Atraxa deck. I played them instead of her because she's a bit boring. Ishai, Ojutai Dragonspeaker (flying, gets a +1/+1 counter when an opponent casts a spell) and Reyhan, last of the Abzan (when a creature with +1 counters dies, move them to another creature).

I might play dwarfs next week so I lose and don't put people off playing me.  :icon_razz:  Though I finally bought aether revolt dwarfs so the deck might be better now.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 12, 2017, 04:02:02 PM
More changes to Magic!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/metamorphosis-2-0-2017-06-12

No more small sets. Core sets are returning (though not quite in the same way). Masterpiece cards only in some sets. Less focus on the gatewatch. More playtesting!


edit: Aertherworks Marvel banned in standard.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 14, 2017, 11:14:47 AM
is the business struggling?

or r they being proactive
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 14, 2017, 11:36:33 AM
I think the business is fine, but standard has been rubbish for a while and there have been a lot of complaints. They're trying to fix it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 14, 2017, 03:16:02 PM
Announcement day!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/25th-anniversary-announcement-day-2017-06-14

The next set (in September) is Ixalan... it has dinosaurs!!!!!

April is return to Dominaria, the original Magic world!
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Post by: Novogord on June 15, 2017, 06:15:49 AM
And in December we will see a new Un-set :-) Unstable!
This will be fun :-D
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 15, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
I'm not sure I want an un-set really.  :icon_confused:

Meanwhile, Ixilan leaks! Wizards are leakier than the White House!  :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 20, 2017, 09:45:42 PM
Counter hate!

(https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/6715596e-4f26-4e31-a6bc-a3be77dc5c6c/Solemnity%20%5BHOU%5D.png)

Stops XP counters!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 20, 2017, 10:02:58 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/287/200/283/636335389020803360.jpeg)

thats a really powerful ability.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/288/200/283/636335482259019601.png)
mizzet commander material

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/242/200/283/636334625853564034.png)
this is good.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 21, 2017, 12:17:46 PM
I think the locust god looks pretty good! Certainly a nice 'whenever you draw a card' payoff for Niv-Mizzet.

Excavator is amazing.

The new Neheb seems like it could command a red aggro/burn deck? Fire off some 'each player takes x damage' spells and then rake in the mana later in the turn.


Sphinx tribal commander!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/311/636336236660169400.png)
Bringing the fact or fictions!


Bojuka Bog for non-black decks, sort of:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/298/636335551956765662.png)

Flying Roon! I need this for Derevi:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/312/636336327971523825.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 22, 2017, 09:38:29 AM
angel of condemnation is absolutely amazing in roon. especially if you've got a bunch of untap effects in the deck to help roon.
Makes me want to use the deck again!


(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/309/200/283/636336093617133228.png)
Think this is really good. only 2 mana each! but I dont like using discard effects because I hate them being used on me.

I don't like all the super specific cards in this set. "if nicol bolas planeswalker" and stff,

scarab god.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/333/200/283/636336835935558423.png)
wow dat zombie tribal. Already quite a good archetype isnt it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 22, 2017, 10:43:14 AM
Roon return!  :ph34r:

Yes, I think driven to despair is quite powerful in any g/b deck with a lot of creatures. Gitrog toad!


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I don't like all the super specific cards in this set. "if nicol bolas planeswalker" and stff,

Yeh. Some of those are the special cards that come in the planeswalker decks though.


The scarab god seems amazing! He can make tokens from anyone's graveyard, which is brutal. And zombies do have a ton of tribal support. Maybe a bit overpowered even.


I quite like this bird!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/347/636337117414929119.png)
A decent early blocker with a handy ability for later on.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 22, 2017, 03:06:59 PM
Is this good? I can't tell.  :icon_confused:

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/hou/en_BD8Ez3Ftte.png)

I wonder what the blue one will do.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 22, 2017, 03:32:53 PM
depends when you get it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 23, 2017, 11:40:34 AM
True.

This guy in EDH:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/353/636337232550189769.jpeg)
 :ph34r:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 23, 2017, 12:16:58 PM
8 mana though!

although I do use pestilence demon
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 23, 2017, 12:23:28 PM
All that tutoring though! Scary.

Most demons cost a million mana!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Siberius on June 23, 2017, 07:55:47 PM
They must have some bird watchers at wizards,  hoopoes aren't exactly well known. I approve!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 23, 2017, 08:39:28 PM
I'd certainly never heard of them!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 23, 2017, 10:03:27 PM
I've seen one, in Turkey.

Hooptastic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 23, 2017, 10:11:36 PM
Waiting for a Ring Ouzel card.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 24, 2017, 08:18:33 AM
I love torment of hailfire!
Guess it draws a lot of hate in multiplayer.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 24, 2017, 10:09:09 AM
Use it when you have a load of mana and don't care if everyone hates you!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2017, 09:40:40 AM
Another good aftermath card!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/433/636340408266382707.png)

Use both halves when someone casts a big torment of hailfire!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 26, 2017, 09:39:17 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/441/200/283/636340670897359335.png)

 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 26, 2017, 09:44:40 PM
That's unpleasant! 8 mana though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 27, 2017, 08:32:40 AM
it's a weird card.
I wouldnt play it in multi EDH, obviously too expensive for any other format, yet it probably finishes most games pretty damn quick 1vs1
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 27, 2017, 10:53:23 AM
Breya wouldn't like being cursed with that very much!

In multiplayer, it would wreck some decks but not really affect others - it doesn't do much against my Teferi deck, for example. Maybe it's fine?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 27, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/hou/en_DveZdReh8x.png)

One more mana than explosive vegetation, but fetches non-basic lands. Not many cards do that. Worth playing in EDH even though the zombie token part probably won't happen?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 29, 2017, 11:11:49 AM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/510/200/283/636342646633863444.jpeg)

This is awesome. Definitely fits into selesnaya life gain token deck. I love that it's really powerful and a horse!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/513/200/283/636342847896812298.png)

didn't they just do a white odric of this?
I use a couple of spells like this in my Samut deck- to try and give everything double strike and haste and trample!

he's 1 mana more than odric and only affects himself- but is potentially bigger.
Not sure on that one!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 29, 2017, 11:18:29 AM
Horse tribal!  :Ohmy: Now I need to do a gather search to find out how many other horses there are!

5/5 horse tokens! Huge horses! Unexpected. Oh, and it triggers every end step too!


The chimera looks pretty brutal. A new friend for Atraxa?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 29, 2017, 11:24:12 AM
5/5 indestructible horses every end step!

Are there some huge horses in egyptian myth? weird but I love it.
Can go with your cheaty horsemanship blue dudes!


I did misread the chimera that it's p/t is double your units. Still, it only does him and not all creatures like odric.
Can't decide


having said that, I am already hating the idea of you having it and atraxa out at the same time!!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 29, 2017, 11:40:55 AM
23 other horses according to gatherer. But only three are white! The others are split between all other colours and artifacts. Also they are mostly terrible. Boooo.

So maybe horsemanship theme really is the way to go!

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Are there some huge horses in egyptian myth?

Not that I know of, but I don't know that much about it. It seems random if not!


The chimera is a second Atraxa if they are the only two creatures you have! Then it gets bigger if you play any others. Odric is probably still better though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 29, 2017, 09:30:31 PM
In case the horses get out of control:
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/hou/en_8Dtc89JMF5.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on June 30, 2017, 04:14:01 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/576/200/283/636344145229405601.png)

straight in my cleopatra deck!

i wish that hadnt price spiked irl
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on June 30, 2017, 09:38:05 PM
Yes, that's a pretty good spider!

Price spikes are the bane of EDH. Though it makes me feel clever if I buy something before it spikes.  :icon_lol:


No enemy cycling duals in this set! When are we going to see them now? I want enemy duals with land types!

Also, I like the art on this rat. Rat tribal for commander17 please!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/hou/en_fulqjvdAzm.png)
I want him to be my familiar in D&D!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 03, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
Cards from Hour of Devastation that I'm most interested in having for EDH:

Angel of Condemnation
Hour of Revelation
Nimble Obstructionist
Hour of Promise
Ramunap Excavator
Refuse // Cooperate
Mirage Mirror
Scavenger Grounds
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 05, 2017, 10:30:16 AM
When is Hou on gatherer?

Italicised cards I want to buy, the rest I want to use in my online decks.

I think angel of condemnation can go in basically any deck, although obviously better in ones that can untap.
Derevi! samut! Roon!

Hour of revelation replaces wrath of god in all my decks.

Not sure on Hour of Promise. I think it's probably a staple but I don't like the high mana ramp cards really. I think it probably wants to go in Marath where I have a lot of combat and buffing lands. Also helps to fetch the removing hexproof land (which should be in all decks) and strip mines etc...  Ok I think I just talked myself into it.

Ramunap excavator nuff said. Definitely going in Mina and Den. I'm not sure I've bought enough cycle lands (need to buy some cycle lands!) or fetch lands for other decks.

Mirage mirror is really cool.

Crested sunmare (trostani deck)

Solemnity is great hate, but not sure applicable enough to use in the 99. Great vs Atraxa or Ghave or Marath though!

Quite like Riddleform

Ammit eternal, tenacious hunter, obelisk spider and banewhip punisher for cleopatra deck. Possibly the sting creature removal spell.

Torment of Hailfire!
torment of scarabs maybe
Neheb the eternal

Locus God
scarab god
scorpion god

appeal to authority
driven to despair

Wish I could put grind to dust in either scorpion god or cleopatra deck!

That's quite a lot of cards
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 05, 2017, 11:10:09 AM
When is Hou on gatherer?

This week sometime, probably! The prerelease is this weekend.


I don't think hour of revelation replaces wrath of god: firstly, it costs triple white mana. Secondly, it hits all non-lands which may not be what you want to do. If you weren't already playing Planar Cleansing (same card but without the cost reduction) you might not want this.

Hour of Promise: it's only one more mana than explosive vegetation (which is definitely a playable card) and being able to fetch non-basics is great.  Even if you don't need to fetch utility lands like alchemist's refuge or reliquary tower you can get your multicolour lands with it. Or one of each!

I want excavator for Ghave due to dredging lands away! I'm not sure my other decks would get enough use of it.


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Solemnity is great hate, but not sure applicable enough to use in the 99.

Yes, it's too likely to be useless. I'm glad they finally printed something to wreck the EXP commanders though! Also deals with cleopatra!


I want to get a foil Endless Sands and dazzle people with the absurdly bright sun picture!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 05, 2017, 10:41:47 PM
mtgo 1vs1 bannings!

http://wizardsmtgo.tumblr.com/post/162630833904/commander-1v1-banned-update

vial smasher! She felt good in 1vs1 but not crazy? I didn't play in her a heavy control shell, which is what was the problem I think.

ponder, pre-ordain, brainstorm. Weird to ban!

The only one I agree with is Treachery- dumb card.

The whole idea makes me feel uneasy. The idea of their being dominant DECKS in commander is sad. There should be millions of different decks!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2017, 10:06:19 AM
Wow, they really hate blue!  :icon_sad:

I think that their 1 vs 1 format uses a lower life total? If so then Vial Smasher makes it very easy to win.


Quote
The only one I agree with is Treachery- dumb card.

Amazing card!  :icon_razz:


Quote
The whole idea makes me feel uneasy. The idea of their being dominant DECKS in commander is sad. There should be millions of different decks!

As soon as you make it competitive you narrow the field to a small number of cards. Competitive 1 vs 1 is like Legacy with a bigger deck and highlander rules. I suppose they banned ponder/preordain/brainstorm because they make blue the best at finding combos.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 06, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
Hou is on gatherer.

Cockatrice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 06, 2017, 11:43:34 AM
They will probably take a day or two to appear on Cockatrice!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 08, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
Cat tribal in C17?  :Ohmy:

(http://blog.mtgprice.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Untitled-4.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 08, 2017, 10:42:08 PM
more leaks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2017, 10:20:35 AM
A shop posting the image too early, I think.

Cats!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2017, 10:30:10 AM
Quite powerful!
Is the key word experience?

I really don't want exp counters
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2017, 10:34:50 AM
No, it's Eminence. It's an ability that works if the commander is in play or in the command zone! The huge dragon in the other deck has it too (his was cost reduction while this one is +3/+3).

Hopefully it's not as annoying as Oloro's command zone ability from C13.


Someone at FNM the other week was saying they really wanted a G/W cat commander! Here it is.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 09, 2017, 10:45:01 AM
Prossh, Marath, derevi... Messing with command zone is often Dodgy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 09, 2017, 10:52:11 AM
Hopefully they've realised that and it will be fine this time!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 14, 2017, 03:28:02 PM
I went to an hour of devastation draft. I got (rares and mythics):

ramunap excavator
solemnity
gideon of the trials
overwhelming splendour
kefnet's last word
hazoret's undying fury
oketra's last mercy
heaven/earth
cascading cataracts
endless sands

Also a full art foil swamp. Then I also also had the release day promo (another ramunap excavator) and a promo full art foil island.

I made a mediocre red/green aggro deck that did OK. Heaven/earth is good, but hazoret's undying fury isn't especially. Still, fun + 2 ramunap excavators + loads of other stuff!  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 15, 2017, 05:38:07 AM
I can play overwhelming splendour in my Daxos enchantments deck, but I don't know where I can play solemnity. Derevi? Even there it conflicts with gavony township and master biomancer. Maybe I just can't use it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 15, 2017, 07:03:52 AM
I think you can use it aggressively as well as defenasively, but would need to re-tool a deck.

Maybe one to keep in the binder for a while!


overwhelming splendour = no fun police!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 15, 2017, 08:09:50 AM
I thought it was kind of cool that I got 9 rares/mythics (overwhelming splendor was from the consolation prize booster) from a draft where I only opened three booster packs. I opened ramunap and gideon, but solemnity was passed to me! Maybe other people focus more on choosing cards they're going to play. This was the first time I did a proper draft, since the other two times were conspiracy and I had the 'play cards of any colour' conspiracy. My deck was OK though - better than the last couple of sealed decks I've made.


I think solemnity is also really dangerous because it can enable combos for other players. You'd want to be able to sac it on demand. I could play it in the dwarf deck that never wins, maybe. Or hope it price-spikes and then sell it.

Daxos is already no fun, so I think overwhelming splendour will fit right in!

Gideon in Atraxa. Ghave got one excavator, but I don't think any of my other decks would get much use out of the other one. Maybe I'll get a C17 deck that can use it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 15, 2017, 08:27:55 AM
i'll buy the excavator off you if you would like (when the price drops, haha)

I reckon people definitely choose cards to play!

were you 2nd overall then?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 16, 2017, 03:43:12 AM
I think I'll hang on to it for now!

No one was going to main-deck solemnity anyway. Maybe sideboard it in against a -1 counters deck.

No, I wasn't second. More like fourth! But everyone gets at least one booster at the end.

I think the drafting part is more fun than the games.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 18, 2017, 02:42:36 PM
No more FNM promos! Tokens instead.  :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 21, 2017, 06:36:24 AM
Artwork for all four C17 face cards:

https://imgur.com/gallery/gOoRw

Vampires! And... some sort of humans?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 21, 2017, 06:45:30 AM
Druids, or wizards?

I don't think I'm hype about vampires :(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 21, 2017, 03:19:31 PM
Maybe clerics? They look a bit culty.

I'm not that keen on vampires either.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on July 22, 2017, 01:26:13 AM
They do look a bit culty!
I feel like they will do two goody and two baddy decks, but there's no reason why.

I've tried to do vampires before but they are a bit annoying. Dodgy annoying commanders!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 22, 2017, 04:21:45 AM
It looks more like three baddy decks. Dragons are baddies! The cult people look blue/black in the art.

I doubt the new vampire commanders will be any less annoying.


Edit: people think the vampire deck is R/W/B, and the other one is U/B. Or perhaps U/B/R wizards. If it is wizards, I might get that one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 23, 2017, 04:04:25 PM
Unesh sphinx tribal is really good! He's Ģ1!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 03, 2017, 11:30:29 AM
reminder to self: never go on the MTG salvation forums.

Looking for rumours and info on c17, but end up with weird ranting about the storyline of magic
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 03, 2017, 01:40:40 PM
Also it runs really slowly.

C17 previews start on Monday!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2017, 12:16:47 PM
Another huge ramp spell:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/132/956/200/283/636376759735004890.png)

Cats really like equipment, for some reason:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/957/636376783258683765.jpeg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2017, 02:15:04 PM
traverse outlands- instant staple, or win more?
I'll definitely be playing it!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2017, 02:28:01 PM
I'm not sure how good it is. There are lots of other cards with similar effects. Worth a try though.

This is amazing:
(http://i.imgur.com/lbtRyu0.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2017, 02:53:27 PM
I just saw that.
funny! nice political card though, which I dig.

It's a cat equipment deck.

I don't particularly like cat's or equipment, but g/w are my colours :(
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 07, 2017, 04:34:01 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/967/636376989182321472.png)

holy crap
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 07, 2017, 04:45:57 PM
All cat previews today!

Alms collector wants to wreck my blue decks!


Tribal artifact:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/981/636377610009881777.png)


Vampire wizard dude:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/132/979/636377469499466953.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 08, 2017, 10:49:16 AM
I was about to post that artifact.
I wonder if thats going in every deck?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 08, 2017, 01:10:18 PM
I hope it's in every deck! But being uncommon (as a new commander card) usually means only being in two or three decks.

Land!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/c17/en_PbO5DUH2zi.png)

Card draw!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/c17/en_lcRYamFmku.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 08, 2017, 03:44:44 PM
holy fucking shit that blue card draw spell.

jaysus!

the green cheating creatures onto battlefield spell was insane too.

tribal OP shit everywhere and they only revealed 10 cards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 08, 2017, 04:00:23 PM
It's exciting! Show me the wizards!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 08, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
im buying the wizard deck!

kindred discovery plus locust god = infinite
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 08, 2017, 09:43:34 PM
It might not be in the wizard deck! The article implied the dragons had it.


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kindred discovery plus locust god = infinite

Yes, but neither ability is optional, so you will draw your deck and lose! You need something to break the sequence when you've drawn enough, like a bounce spell.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2017, 11:35:18 AM
Nazahn is a BLADEsmith, but his signature weapon is a hammer ?!

flava fail
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2017, 12:24:19 PM
It's the hammer he uses to make the swords!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2017, 03:18:22 PM
Phasing!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/c17/en_kkHomijBXx.png)

But it's in the vampire deck because the wizards are grixis!  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 09, 2017, 04:32:06 PM
That's so weird, why would teferi protect vampires?

I think that's very good isn't it?!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 09, 2017, 04:55:27 PM
I don't think there's any vampire connection. It's just randomly ended up in that deck.

I think it's good, yes! I want it.


Wizards!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/133/30/636378866695819527.jpeg)

 :Ohmy:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2017, 10:51:32 AM
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/commander-2017/29154-galecaster-colossus

*Reads this*
*takes off glasses*
*start sweating profusely thinking about Rufus abusing you with this*

good lord.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/commander-2017/29155-predominance-of-the-lineage

i think its 7 mana, possibly worth palying

jaysus christ!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2017, 01:23:10 PM
Bounce all Finlay's stuff!

Yes, both of those look good!


Mairsil!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/c17/en_NKedJuudZp.png)

Best depiction of a character from a really old set since Feldon!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2017, 06:33:55 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/133/41/200/283/636379661137480760.png)

Love the top ability to filter your drawing and stock gravebyard

hate the 2nd, the impact is too low to be exiling your own graveyard!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2017, 06:37:12 PM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/133/43/200/283/636379672551971000.jpeg)

love it.
snapcaster mage on crack
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 10, 2017, 09:26:30 PM
Kess can only cast things on your turn! I'm not keen.

I don't like Taigam. The U/W version in the dragon deck is far better!


Maybe I don't like the wizards deck. I kind of hate the grixis colour combination.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 10, 2017, 10:06:32 PM
Yeh that is a big drawback. I think she's good in the 99 just to get a couple of reuses but not to build around.
Dralnu better for that I think.

I like taigam as a graveyard, reanimator commander.
The  UW ojutai does completely different stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2017, 10:38:42 AM
I think you're right about Taigam being good. He helps out Mairsil and Kess by dropping things in the bin, and his card selection ability is powerful. He's good with Sidisi too!

Someone suggested having Mairsil cage Pack Rat. That lets him discard a card (and pay 3) to copy himself, caging a new card (perhaps the one you discarded!).

Deck lists due this afternoon.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2017, 02:51:40 PM
Decklists:

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/commander-2017-edition-decklists-2017-08-11

First look = do not like. The reprints are awful compared to last year.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 11, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Huge price spike on riptide laboratory due to not being reprinted. Where else are they going to reprint this card? Who even needs it except wizard tribal edh? Looking back at the price history, it spiked hard when snapcaster mage was first printed but dropped right back down. Not reprinting it gives money to speculating wankers and no one else. It doesn't give any money to wizard of the coast even! It actually makes their wizard tribal deck less desirable.

The wizards deck is so disappointing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 12, 2017, 11:01:01 AM
What happened to the people who designed the C16 mana bases? Those were 4-colour decks with better mana than the 2-colour cat deck. Last year, we had ash barens, spells with basic landcycling, checklands, painlands, onslaught filters and even 5-colour lands like forbidden orchard and grand colosseum.

This year it's an avalanche of horrible taplands. The cat deck literally has more ways to search for basic lands than it has basic lands. 13 basics! The two +1 life taplands are playable, but no one needs 3 vanilla taplands and 2 vivid lands for 2 colours.

Even so, the cat deck actually has the best land choices (krosan verge, myriad landscape, stirring wildwood, rogue's passage, temple of the false god, blighted woodland, mosswort bridge, opal palace) because the other decks are so horrible. Cats have some utility lands! Gavony Township would have been nice though.

The vampire deck manages a bojuka bog and an opal palace, but that's it. A myriad landscape would have been nice here to help with all the double-black cards. No tainted lands either. This one doesn't even have vivid lands, which would be acceptable here!

The dragon deck has all ten tri-lands and five vivids, which again is far too many taplands. There are quite a few cheap 5-colour lands that could have been included (like exotic orchard, which went in the wizard deck instead!).

The wizard deck has no riptide laboratory. Aside from that, it's not too bad: it has exotic orchard, temple of the false god and mystifying maze. It has 20 basics, and the taplands are at least +1 life ones and vivids, instead of guildgates. It's basically a C13 manabase.


Considering the most frustrating (and common!) thing that happens in magic is not having the right lands to play your spells, these decks are a horrible way to introduce new players to commander. We know wizards can do better because they did last year!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 15, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
I think ramunap excavator is now seeing standard play, up to 4.80.

bugger!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on August 16, 2017, 05:30:06 AM
I was planning on buying the cat deck for an multiplayer event (only the basic C17 decks allowed).
Now you make me very unsure Rufus.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
I was planning on buying the cat deck for an multiplayer event (only the basic C17 decks allowed).
Now you make me very unsure Rufus.

Well, aside from having too many taplands I think the cat deck is good! Cats and vampires seem the most competitive as basic decks. Dragons are slow and will be seen as a big threat in multiplayer. Wizards are just awful without upgrades! The deck is a mess.

So I think the cat deck is a good choice!


Quote from: Finlay
I think ramunap excavator is now seeing standard play, up to 4.80.

I think he's been about that price since release! He's not really moved.


Also, I feel trolled by this 'card of the day' text on the Wizards site:

Quote
If you're looking to beef up Inalla's tribal support next week, make sure to look at the Wizard tribal pushes we made back in Onslaught and Morningtide.

Maybe you could have actually reprinted some of those cards in the deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 16, 2017, 11:09:37 AM
i didnt realise there was wizard support in morningtide?

I thought it was kithkin, merfolk, giants, faeries and treefolk.

am i mixing morningtide and lorwyn up?

Damn, that Sage of Fables plus Marchesa synergy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 16, 2017, 11:24:48 AM
Quote
i didnt realise there was wizard support in morningtide?

Wizard merfolk crossover tribal!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 18, 2017, 03:57:06 PM
the c17 decks dont even have the cheap non-tap duals like canopy vista or sunpetal grove.

boo.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 19, 2017, 09:14:03 AM
That's what I said earlier! So much worse than last year.

I'm not bothered about foil cards, but last year had four foil commanders vs only three this year. Downgradeoclasm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on August 21, 2017, 02:10:54 PM
Yugioh related Game of Thrones spoilers.

http://i.imgur.com/5MtokEg.jpg
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2017, 02:20:58 PM
Ha! Good one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2017, 01:28:44 PM
Yes please, Ixalan!
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/ixa/cards/unclaimedterritory.jpg)
I do want this land in my vampire deck.

Maybe this too:
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/ixa/cards/bishopofrebirth1.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 22, 2017, 01:36:35 PM
I thnk they made the vampires mardu so you could add in the white ixalan ones.

that bishops an autoinclude! why only maybe?

damn there are loads of ixalan spoilers.

spicy!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2017, 01:53:21 PM
It's a bad Sun Titan for only 1 less! It's a bit depressing.

I'm sure there will be other vampires in white that I do want to play though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 22, 2017, 01:59:00 PM
revel in riches. amazing.
evaporating melody.

holy shit nuggets a grave resurrection fact or fiction.

herald of seven servants, incredible in any u deck that uses counters.

vanquisher's banner instant tribal staple

THERE'S AN EXPLORING DINOSAUR

holy shit! almost every card is exciting! and they're reprinting the check lands, which i love.


BLAHH I just Ixalan'd everywhere.

yes but sun titan isn't a vampire. Depends how themey you want to be. in a Vampi deck i'd definitely play it over sun titan.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 22, 2017, 03:14:17 PM
edgar Markov's wife.

http://mythicspoiler.com/ixa/cards/myneafriandarkapostle.html
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 23, 2017, 11:30:06 AM

all the stores have upped the price on the vampire deck now, after I decided to buy it for the ixalan white vampires.

harumph.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 24, 2017, 11:22:11 PM
I like the checklands, but it's weird that they've chosen the allied ones instead of the enemy ones. Not only have the allied ones been printed at least four times (four core sets, plus some in C16) to once for the enemy ones (innistrad), but the allied ones include glacial fortress which is surely hard to fit into a jungle dinosaur pirate set! But maybe we'll see hinterland harbour and co in the second Ixalan set.

Conquistador vampires!

Explorasaurus!

Herald of Seven Servants for Atraxa!

Star of Extinction: Destroy target land. Star of Extinction deals 20 damage to each creature and each planeswalker.  ::heretic::


Quote
yes but sun titan isn't a vampire. Depends how themey you want to be. in a Vampi deck i'd definitely play it over sun titan.

I'm not playing sun titan in Edgar's deck. Still not sure I want that though! But maybe.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2017, 09:52:49 AM
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/behind-scenes-alleged-ixalan-card-theft-2017-08-28

wizards article about the Ixalan leak, including proper pics of all the cards and the mechanics article.

DINOSAUR HYPUUUU

the art on the dual lands is lovely.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2017, 10:47:43 AM
the art on the dual lands is lovely.

It is! I randomly have about six glacial fortresses already, but I still want that one. And Rootbound Crag has a bellowing dinosaur on it!


Also, double-sided cards!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/xln/en_y4nmM488Eh.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/xln/en_bdTtGwdBPz.png)

I wonder if they're all going to be lands this time?


Also: planeswalker rule change. Now they're just legendary, which means you can have multiple versions of Jace or whoever in play at the same time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2017, 12:58:37 PM
The new Jace art is bad.

The ixalan set looks fun. Loads of strong effects. But very high cmc.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2017, 01:13:19 PM
Yes, jace looks stupid. And what are those white lines on his skin supposed to be? Weird tattoos?

We've mainly seen rare cards so far due to the leaks, so I'd imagine common and uncommon has a lot more low cost stuff. Smaller dinosaurs!

I think the set is going to be theme-tastic. I love that map that turns into a treasure island!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 29, 2017, 01:31:01 PM
yeh, but i want some of those dinosaurs to be lower so I can use them in EDH!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 29, 2017, 01:34:32 PM
They seem quite powerful even at that cost though! Double-strike-asaurus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on August 31, 2017, 09:33:52 AM
I didn't realise they were doing more spoilers everyday now.

there's an ankylosaurus Ixalan dinosaur.

My favourite dinosaur!

enrage looks fun, i hope it works as a deck and not just a neat seeming idea that doesn't work and actually it's better to just directly smash people in the face.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 31, 2017, 11:01:25 AM
The ankylosaurus looks good with Marath! Remove a counter from Marath to zap him, and then put a counter on each creature.

I think enrage could be good. Especially the one that draws you a card. Also good with Marath!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 01, 2017, 04:34:50 PM
now's a good time to buy a cycle of BFZ battle lands, right? cycling out in 3 weeks time.

Seems like the amonkhet duals arent really expensive (other than fetid pools), will possibly drop a bit from now?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 01, 2017, 09:52:05 PM
Yes, I'd imagine it's a good time to get those. They're probably at their lowest price.

Amonket ones could go up depending on which decks become popular when ixalan arrives. They work well with checklands.


I got a fatal push promo from FNM tonight. Shame it's no good in commander!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 03, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
Planeswalker deck Jace: actually quite good in commander?

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/xln/en_wHqxXPqICj.png)

+1 to draw a card or untap creatures seems good in a U/G deck, maybe. The ultimate is good but not so terrifying that everyone goes all out to stop you getting there. I might play him in Surrak instead of Ral Zarek.


Also, this is the fourth nice art for boring tapland woodland stream. Stop wasting the art on these!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/xln/en_5gBuExV634.png)


I like the 'Jace wanders around lost' cycle of basics.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 04, 2017, 09:14:25 AM
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/133/370/200/283/636399668545112653.png)


I presume this doesn't work on commanders as they go to command zone not exile?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2017, 09:18:05 AM
That's right. Phasing is still the only thing that can lock out commanders.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 04, 2017, 08:46:22 PM
Maps!
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Primal%2BAmulet%2B%255BXLN%255D.jpg)
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Primal%2BWellspring%2B%255BXLN%255D.jpg)


Shipland!
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/xln/en_8wskFlvdlC.png)
(http://media.wizards.com/2017/xln/en_AtEtI4P4mo.png)


Composite journeyer's kite/maze of ith!
(https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/0869b637-a349-46b4-8726-9d2181570c23/Thaumatic_Compass_EN.PNG)
(https://images1.mtggoldfish.com/uploads/0869b637-a349-46b4-8726-9d2181570c23/Spires_of_Orazca_EN.PNG)
I definitely want that one.


And one for Edgar Markov.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/164/989/636402036762881653.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 06, 2017, 03:43:51 PM
Opt reprint
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/133/463/636402881611060631.jpeg)

Also spell pierce.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2017, 03:33:50 PM
Ha, I like this:
(https://media.wizards.com/2017/xln/en_0zIZLRuzt1.png)


You just need a good way of damaging them. Whip your dinosaurs!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=5115&type=card)
Or throw acorns at them!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=233197&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 07, 2017, 04:15:40 PM

whip and catapult might be inclusions if there are enough really good enrage creatures. the mana cost is annoying.

I had bullwhip in marath for a while, but cut it.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 07, 2017, 10:17:19 PM
There are probably more efficient ways of doing it, but I like the idea of whipping them! Is that wrong?  :icon_lol:


Enchantment that turns into Gaea's Cradle! Exclamation mark!  :icon_exclaim:
(http://i.imgur.com/LL1rSCI.png)

So good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 08, 2017, 09:31:06 AM
Only needing 4 creatures!

Buying that. Even if expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 08, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
Me too!

I wonder what the other fliplands will be? We've now seen three that are variants on powerful old lands.


Edit: blue land:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/133/544/636404633452543989.png)
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/133/543/636404632806634835.jpeg)

Less exciting than the green one, but pretty decent.


Vampire squadron hawk! Except not flying and three mana.
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/133/553/636404774241547758.png)


Teferi reprint in Iconic Masters! Yes please.
mana drain
cryptic command
austere command.

Not out until November though!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 11, 2017, 04:12:17 PM
Kjeldoranvampire Outpost!
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Legion%2527s%2BLanding%2B%255BXLN%255D.jpg)
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Adanto%252C%2Bthe%2BFirst%2BFort%2B%255BXLN%255D.jpg)
Edgar!

Lotus vale dagger!
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Dowsing%2BDagger%2B%255BXLN%255D.jpg)
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Lost%2BVale%2B%255BXLN%255D.jpg)
Derevi!


I really love these flipland cards.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 12, 2017, 02:28:02 PM
what is mtg arena for? I don't get it.

people's cards might be useless from moto, if arena takes over?

I dont get why anyone would ever buy any digital cards from a wizards digital product.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 13, 2017, 12:19:10 PM
ghost quarter that costs 2 to use, but also fetches you a land back.

nice.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 13, 2017, 01:28:23 PM
I'm not sure what I think about that one. I like it for 1 vs 1, but in multiplayer it gives everyone a land, which seems generous!

Hmmm, I don't know if the translation is 'may search' or just 'search.'  If it's a forced search it combos well with the Ob Nixilis that punishes library searches!


I don't know what MTG Arena is all about. I can't imagine they'd want to dump magic online any time soon.


Ah, it does force a search. Interesting!
(https://media.wizards.com/2017/xln/en_KIg33hX81z.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2017, 09:59:16 AM
This is pretty amazing;
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/133/933/636409300883104159.png)

Note that this does trigger life gain/life loss effects.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on September 14, 2017, 10:05:43 AM
I like that, fun stuff can do with it and politically interesting for multiplayer.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 15, 2017, 08:30:45 PM
Creature - trilobite.

(https://media.wizards.com/2017/xln/en_tUQqISo9hz.png)

Trilobite.

Unexpected.

Just need another 20 or so plus a trilobite legend.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 29, 2017, 09:13:32 PM
Ixalan draft. Red/green dinosaurs.

0-2, 2-0, 2-0.

Hmmm.

I had to play dinosaurs because the rare in the first pack was rootbound crag with a dinosaur in the art.

My deck was too slow against a R/W aggro deck, but the huge dinosaurs wrecked two slower decks. I suppose my deck would have been better if I hadn't drafted a few off-colour cards I wanted, like sanctum seeker, spell swindle and the black flip-land. But I wanted them! And it was still good enough to own two matches.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2017, 10:29:43 AM
Huge price spike on hostage taker! Now the second most expensive Ixalan card after carnage tyrant.

It's a good card but is it that good?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2017, 10:49:28 AM
important cards in 2 projected new standard (possible) tier decks.

I think u/b pirates will be a thing, and carnage tyrant is a very hard to answer finisher which goes in dino tribal if it becomes a thing, or into any mid range G deck.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2017, 02:13:36 PM
True. I think I'd be annoyed about not getting one if I ever played u/b cards.

I feel as though the blue flipland is hovering on the edge of a spike. I'm just not sure if I want one or not.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 02, 2017, 02:16:53 PM

i definitely want flippy gaea.
Hope it drops!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 02, 2017, 02:20:04 PM
I still think green is overpriced. It's trending slowly down.

The blue one might be really good in standard! I cracked and ebayed one.


I want some of the artifact ones too, but I think those will get cheaper. The white one might go up, but I can take or leave that one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 06, 2017, 09:10:38 PM
A guy at FNM said to me, "Don't you have any shoes on?!"

No. You can see that. What sort of question is that!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 09, 2017, 10:31:14 AM
A guy at FNM said to me, "Don't you have any shoes on?!"

No. You can see that. What sort of question is that!
First you met him?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 10, 2017, 10:15:10 AM
No, but I guess he hadn't noticed before!


Explorers of Ixalan:

http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-set/explorers-of-ixalan/

Sort of a board game that uses four preconstructed magic decks (one for each tribe).

Some notable cards in it: aggravated assault, time warp, shared animosity.

It looks interesting!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 20, 2017, 08:36:41 PM
Teferi always wins!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 21, 2017, 09:40:41 AM
Beardy Rufus!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 21, 2017, 10:29:41 AM
Yes! I only played the deck because I'd added search for azcanta and thaumatic compass, but neither of those did anything.

Enter the infinite!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 30, 2017, 03:02:22 PM
preview dinosaur legend!
(https://media.wizards.com/2017/images/daily/en_s2qt70nap0.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on October 30, 2017, 06:20:01 PM
fpr EDH, good finisher or win more?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on October 31, 2017, 11:10:41 AM
I think it looks playable. You don't need that much power on the board to discount it to a decent rate. 12/12 trampler for six or so is good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on October 31, 2017, 11:48:23 AM
I think we will need Jurrasic Park sleeves and deck boxes!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2017, 01:32:20 PM
Rivals of Ixalan flip land!

(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/rix/cards/stormthevault.jpg)
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/rix/cards/vaultofcatlacan.jpg)
http://www.mythicspoiler.com/rix/cards/stormthevault.html

Tolarian Academy.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2017, 05:36:51 PM
Breya might want that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 18, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Definitely.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 18, 2017, 08:48:27 PM
has gaea's flip land gone any cheap?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 19, 2017, 10:08:30 AM
It's still sliding slowly downward. Just above Ģ5 on ebay.

Iconic Masters is out now too. Teferi, austere command, cryptic command and others.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 20, 2017, 05:18:25 PM
I'll have to check those too, they shifted any pricing?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
Most prices are heading downward. A lot of the cards were expensive due to low supply rather than demand.

Some good ones for EDH that are already cheaper and should drop further: oblivion stone, graven cairns (nice land for vampire deck!), necropotence, genesis wave, restoration angel.

Cryptic command would need to get a lot cheaper before I'd bother with it.


Also: a couple more Rivals of Ixalan spoilers!
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Tetzimoc%252C%2BPrimal%2BDeath%2B%255BRIX%255D.jpg)
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Immortal%2BSun%2B%255BRIX%255D.jpg)
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/unstable-rivals-of-ixalan-spoilers-november-20-2017

Both amazing.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 21, 2017, 05:13:29 PM
seen austere on ebay for 3.80.

tempting!


they need to reprint all those hybrid filters. The fact they've done that one in iconic makes me think it wont be in rivals :( I love immortal sun.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 21, 2017, 10:45:25 PM
Iconic masters has only been out since Friday, so I think austere command should get cheaper than that! I looked at Teferi earlier and then again just now and there are already newer listings at lower prices.

Yes, the hybrid filters desperately need a reprint. Graven Cairns was a special case because it was one of the Future Sight weird duals, and that's the cycle they put in Iconic Masters. So I don't think it precludes a proper reprint later. They could even put the enemy-paired ones in Rivals, since standard does need another enemy-paired cycle. I'm expecting enemy check-lands though.

Immortal sun seems staple-tastic.
I wish the dinosaur looked more like a dinosaur!

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on November 21, 2017, 11:58:23 PM
Looks like a beast!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 22, 2017, 10:25:30 AM
A beast with splayed-posture lizard-limbs!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 01, 2017, 12:26:39 PM
Silver-bordered cards are EDH legal until Jan 15!

Hmmm.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 01, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
i dont know what that means.

are they the unglued ones?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 01, 2017, 12:51:29 PM
Yes. All the 'joke' ones. There's a new set coming out soon.

I do like crow storm though:
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=439420&type=card)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 01, 2017, 12:52:56 PM
I have no interest in playing joke cards really.

they should just print crow storm in a normal set!!

when is iconic masters going to be cheapest. in a couple of weeks?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 02, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
Crow Storm would be fine in EDH at least. I don't see anyone playing Empty the Warrens.

The squirrel lord would be good with Ghave!
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=439497&type=card)


Yes, it's worth waiting a couple more weeks for Iconic Masters cards. They should keep dropping.

I need to get Teferis for every blue deck!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on December 03, 2017, 08:16:16 AM
Only until januari the 15th?
Unless you accept Unsets in your edh probably?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 04, 2017, 12:41:56 PM
oo bloodghast!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 05, 2017, 10:08:55 AM
Some unstable cards have multiple versions with different text boxes but the same name and collector number. Very Cryptic Command has at least five (here are some of them).

(https://i.imgur.com/SVrThAH.jpg)

I like this!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 06, 2017, 10:59:27 AM
Planeswalker deck Vraska from Rivals:
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4qhH7ETksz0sqMPOgbXc_uSYVtQ=/400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9815025/Vraska__Scheming_Gorgon.png)

Use the ultimate, then activate Crypt Rats (it doesn't say combat damage) and kill all opponents at once! Definitely something that could realistically happen.  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 06, 2017, 01:06:45 PM
That's pretty cool. Erebos!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 06, 2017, 02:21:06 PM
The +2 is a bit weak. Ob Nixilis Reignited is better, if you aren't already playing that.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 06, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
but cant murder an entire board at once with crypt rats
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 06, 2017, 04:04:28 PM
It's so hard to get an ultimate though! Unless you use doubling season/doubling fish or loads of proliferate, it never happens. Plus it's so tempting to keep using that -3.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 06, 2017, 04:10:56 PM
yes i probably should use the first one.

dont think i've got any plainswalkers in that deck though.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 06, 2017, 05:07:13 PM
Planeswalkers are lame anyway!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 18, 2017, 09:50:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/B24jejF.jpg)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on December 19, 2017, 09:36:43 AM
damn, that's a pretty good deadlock breaker!

is that from rivals?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 19, 2017, 12:29:40 PM
Yes, it's from Rivals. Looks good!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 01, 2018, 07:31:03 PM
Rivals spoilers starting in earnest!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 01, 2018, 10:10:54 PM
Yes. This is so good for Ghave!
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Journey%2Bto%2BEternity%2B%255BRIX%255D.jpg)
(https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Atzal%252C%2BCave%2Bof%2BEternity%2B%255BRIX%255D.jpg)
!!!!


Also, huge dinosaur!
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/202/440/636504377151581906.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 02, 2018, 11:27:38 AM
i like the merfolk commander type dude!

I thought that bg flip land was risky- in case your thing gets exiled or something. but guess in ghave when can just instantly sacrifice whatever!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 03, 2018, 11:54:15 AM
crikey, loads of good stuff for vamps, merfolks and dinosaurs.

Dinosaur edh deck will be rally scary now! Gishath into any of the elders!

green elder dragon goes in most green edh decks i reckon.

I love that immortal sun thing- obviously. Hope it's not too expensive.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 07, 2018, 05:20:18 PM
Hmmm, no enemy-paired rare duals. Just a reprint of those uncommon taplands. Dominaria will have to have something.

At least four new vampires I want to add to Edgar Markov! Probably more.

Yes, dinosaurs have enough proper creatures for a deck now. No need to play the filler ones! There's even an alternate 3-colour commander.


I thought that bg flip land was risky- in case your thing gets exiled or something. but guess in ghave when can just instantly sacrifice whatever!

It's definitely risky if you don't have a sac outlet. But if Ghave's in play it's very hard to stop it from flipping.

The blue/green flipland is good too, but I'm not that fond of the others.

I like Azor the sphinx!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 07, 2018, 05:23:16 PM
Blue green one definitely going in merfolk edh
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 07, 2018, 05:24:40 PM
I might play it with Atraxa. Easy flip followed by double-size Atraxa attacks!

The red/white one is really weird.


Enrage is now worth including enablers for!


This land seems good in any EDH deck that has room for another colourless land:
(https://media.wizards.com/2017/rix/en_fIqyOcHvG6.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 12, 2018, 11:36:26 AM

think I need storm the vault for breya! Hope it isn't standard playable.

dinosaurs seem really fun now. You get dumb naya stompyness, but add tribal synergies, also pyrohemia/enrage effects, can build around extra combat steps for ghishath.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on January 15, 2018, 04:43:02 PM
Standard bans! Attune with energy, rogue refiner, rampaging ferocidon, ramunap ruins.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-15-2018-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2018-01-15

Aiming to reduce the dominance of energy and mono-red.


Quote
think I need storm the vault for breya! Hope it isn't standard playable.

dinosaurs seem really fun now. You get dumb naya stompyness, but add tribal synergies, also pyrohemia/enrage effects, can build around extra combat steps for ghishath.

Storm the vault is about 3 quid at the moment I think? The hype has dissipated on that one.

Dinosaurs do look great. I remade my Gishnath deck and this time I didn't have to include any junkosauruses.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on January 17, 2018, 04:09:34 PM
WOTC roll out a faster standard rotation, but players dont like it so they roll it back.
12 cards banned from standard in a year.

Have WOTC lost their grip on making standard playable sets?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 14, 2018, 06:48:51 PM
I think it's weird wizards are doing a "great design search" and set up a test to find people who are going to think the same way about design as wotc already so.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on February 15, 2018, 07:50:27 AM
I think it's weird wizards are doing a "great design search" and set up a test to find people who are going to think the same way about design as wotc already so.
It is not the first time Wizards makes strange dicisions.
They even unbanned JtMS and BBE in modern...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on February 15, 2018, 02:48:53 PM
https://magic.wizards.com/en/products/Commander-2018

c18:
4 decks
planeswalkers
rise in MSRP (aking more money or increasing value of reprints?)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on February 23, 2018, 10:19:38 PM
Wizards print precon decks for Standard that actually have good cards in them!

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/challenger-decks-lists-2018-02-23

You could win actual games with these!
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 12, 2018, 02:45:33 PM
Sagas
(https://media.wizards.com/2018/dom/en_J02xnuLOLU.png)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on March 12, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
is Breya phyrexian?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 12, 2018, 10:10:41 PM
No! She's from Alara.

Atraxa is. I think proliferating the counters works too, so she can make the II ability happen the turn it's played.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on April 22, 2018, 07:11:42 AM
Well I final made the jump. I played a Pre-Release yesterday, and it was quiet fun. Still quiet expensive, but considering you spend 3-4+ hours then its not that far from a normal Saturday night out.
I went 1-2-1 with biggest mistake was putting all my creatures down when opponent was at 2, and no creatures on the table BUT I knew he had a sweeper in hand. (The legendary Sorcery that requires a legendary creature). So stupid, I could had waited one turn to put  my 2-1 flyer down and won the next turn.

That same player was the only sketchy person, once telling me I had lost after his attacks, and I asked why, and he just look and me and said try to block. I did, traded 1 creatures, ate 2, and lost 1. Stabilized at 3 life and won the game. He was really pissed off, to the point he would jump into combat without saying anything, and when I told him BEFORE you get into combat I will use my Icy Manipulator (https://cdn1.mtggoldfish.com/images/gf/Icy%2BManipulator%2B%255BDOM%255D.jpg) and he told me. You need to do that before, and I said you have to say when you get going into the combat phase.

Did a card trade that probably was not in my favor, so I suppose newbie getting milked but apart from that all was fun.

Too long of a post? I will try to keep playing casual magic, and stay in Dominaria or newer stuff.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Finlay on April 22, 2018, 05:30:38 PM
Glad you had fun, shame about the Dodgy bloke!

I've never been to a pre release but j fancy it one day.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: rufus sparkfire on April 24, 2018, 02:42:24 PM
Well I final made the jump. I played a Pre-Release yesterday, and it was quiet fun.

Did you get any good cards?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Realjuan on May 09, 2018, 10:26:23 PM
Sorry Rufus, I didnt see you reply. I know its a little late, but for what its worth...not really.
Darigaaz Reincarnated was my best card, but I didnt play it because I was too scared of 3 colors. Looking back, I should had play it. I had good mana fixing.

Today, I played my first standard tournament. I went 1-2 and a bye, but I had fun. I think most people were even surprised I was playing, because I dont have many cards. Use a G/R ramp aggro deck, and lost against 2 control decks but manage to get 1 game out of one and the others were relative close. My deck (https://deckstats.net/deck-15958229-fe2c5f76817e8a853eb9ad81584c0cda.html)

now the BEST part of the day....guess who I beat. The cheater, and surprise he wanted to cheat again too. He had almost the same deck, but he probably had all the expensive cards.

I am not sure anymore if he is trying to cheat or if he is not good. He talks with such a confident but he also does play that doesnt make a too much sense.

First I play Steel Leaf Champion on turn 4, and he tried to kill it with Shivan Fire with paying only 4 mana. Could had been a mistake, but thats a start.
Then he told me that I could not use Elfhame druid to pay 2 mana if I wanted to cast Baloth with kicker. Some people heard and he didnt argue.
Then he told me that the counter on Hallar was until the end of the turn.
Then he told me that the saga, that I cannot get one creature from the graveyard on the first 2 iterations.

What makes me think he is just bad, is that he would spend 2 of his Blossoming defense to block my Baloth with bonus with his 4/4 Verix and chomp block with 2 other creature (Hallar and something else). Instead of chomping the 7/7 and using one blossoming defense on each of the other creatures to trade or to keep his alive. I was at 20 and he was at 9 or something.

Sorry for the long post, how has your Magic year been? you playing dominaria regularly?
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Gankom on February 26, 2021, 05:21:06 PM
Arise! Arise from the dead oh Magic thread!

I don't play it myself, but I thought this announcement was pretty interesting. GW is partnering up to make a 40k themed Magic the Gathering release. Word on the nerdvine is that they're (magic people, not GW) also doing a Lord of the Rings themed one.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/25/warhammer-40000-is-coming-to-magic-the-gathering-yes-really/?utm_source=Warhammer%20Community&utm_medium=Banner&utm_campaign=GWxMTG25022021&utm_content=GWxMTG25022021
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Heinrich von Kampfmann on February 26, 2021, 09:49:05 PM
God I miss playing magic with real cards...
Built a modern deck (Hardened scales but didn't buy any mox opal, repaired 2 teeth instead and then it got banned) and played one tournament with it in January 2020. Got 1 gameday EDH in during the summer with real cards but we kept 2 metres distance but better than nothing.

Not even looking at new sets, too depressing to buy and not be able to play as it should be played, with friends and laughs. Glad I got warhammer to paint, in waiting of the first post-covid battle...  :icon_cry: 
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 01, 2021, 07:02:16 AM
God I miss playing magic with real cards...
Built a modern deck (Hardened scales but didn't buy any mox opal, repaired 2 teeth instead and then it got banned) and played one tournament with it in January 2020. Got 1 gameday EDH in during the summer with real cards but we kept 2 metres distance but better than nothing.

Not even looking at new sets, too depressing to buy and not be able to play as it should be played, with friends and laughs. Glad I got warhammer to paint, in waiting of the first post-covid battle...  :icon_cry:
I had a fully foiled Affinity deck... I felled the pain for really when they banned it... I switched since then to Red/Black Goblins in Modern.
My wife plays the game from time to time, mostly EDH. And see loves Vampires & Elves.

I'm not super thrilled about the switch over to 40k and Lotr.
Maybe in the near future I can ride my Tarmogoyf in a Land Raider and equip it with the One Ring...
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: GamesPoet on March 01, 2021, 01:12:10 PM
"Magic the Gathering"?  Sounds like Ouija to me. :icon_wink:









 :engel:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Victor on March 01, 2021, 06:16:02 PM
Anyone playing MTG Arena (online)? Sometimes quite nice ... sometimes quite frustrating, playing against some douche bag decks. But it's free to play, so I can not complain (that much).
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Heinrich von Kampfmann on March 01, 2021, 08:21:56 PM
God I miss playing magic with real cards...
Built a modern deck (Hardened scales but didn't buy any mox opal, repaired 2 teeth instead and then it got banned) and played one tournament with it in January 2020. Got 1 gameday EDH in during the summer with real cards but we kept 2 metres distance but better than nothing.

Not even looking at new sets, too depressing to buy and not be able to play as it should be played, with friends and laughs. Glad I got warhammer to paint, in waiting of the first post-covid battle...  :icon_cry:
I had a fully foiled Affinity deck... I felled the pain for really when they banned it... I switched since then to Red/Black Goblins in Modern.
My wife plays the game from time to time, mostly EDH. And see loves Vampires & Elves.

I'm not super thrilled about the switch over to 40k and Lotr.
Maybe in the near future I can ride my Tarmogoyf in a Land Raider and equip it with the One Ring...

Fully foiled, right in the wallet... aouch.....  :icon_cry:

and yes, 40k and lotr crossover..... WOtC has made some wierd things lately, too many secret lairs, standard bannings all the time and now this... :icon_rolleyes:

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 03, 2021, 03:08:56 PM
Man, I miss MTG. Sometimes. Then I remember I'm not very good and I don't want to play against the best cards the whole time.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Heinrich von Kampfmann on March 03, 2021, 08:27:46 PM
Man, I miss MTG. Sometimes. Then I remember I'm not very good and I don't want to play against the best cards the whole time.

The best games I have are with my brother and cousin, playing casual EDH. Best format for fun, if you don't ruin it with high power cards.
 
Modern competitive is fun too, but takes a lot of energy. Still need to get more games with my hardened scales deck, but I've put it away after the outbreak of covid-19 and trying to stay away from MTG. Missing the old days of playing too much. But there seems to be a light in the tunnel so thinking of picking up another modern deck called Tron. Unsure as it's a bit pricey and got a car loan to pay of too.... and if vaccine fails then no point in having more decks I don't get to use.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 06, 2021, 05:17:33 PM
I pretty much exclusively played EDH but when Covid hit I stopped playing on paper and after numerous kerfuffles with the mods over on a free site I said "fuck it!"

I sold all my chaff, just kept my decks and my complete sets.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: GamesPoet on March 07, 2021, 12:43:56 AM
Frick it. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Heinrich von Kampfmann on March 07, 2021, 12:36:32 PM
Arena just launched on andriod. But prefer to play on the computer, barely xD

Spent soo much time on Arena, trying to prioritize wife, son and painting instead. :)
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Novogord on March 08, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Man, I miss MTG. Sometimes. Then I remember I'm not very good and I don't want to play against the best cards the whole time.

The best games I have are with my brother and cousin, playing casual EDH. Best format for fun, if you don't ruin it with high power cards.
 
Modern competitive is fun too, but takes a lot of energy. Still need to get more games with my hardened scales deck, but I've put it away after the outbreak of covid-19 and trying to stay away from MTG. Missing the old days of playing too much. But there seems to be a light in the tunnel so thinking of picking up another modern deck called Tron. Unsure as it's a bit pricey and got a car loan to pay of too.... and if vaccine fails then no point in having more decks I don't get to use.
EDH is fun indeed. Especially if you don't go for the most competitive decks.
Modern can be fun to, but the card designes of Wizards wasn't great the last years. So the format is not that great al the time... And far from non rotating.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 17, 2021, 05:58:53 PM
The thing is, though, that EDH is an arms race. People will not always agree on powerlevels and that will lead to friction if you get combo'd out by the same deck for the tenth time in a row. I can personally resist it. I often refuse to play cards like Rhystic Study or Smothering Tithe because it just makes for a nightmarish game state. Let alone if everybody has one.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Heinrich von Kampfmann on March 20, 2021, 09:52:29 PM
The thing is, though, that EDH is an arms race. People will not always agree on powerlevels and that will lead to friction if you get combo'd out by the same deck for the tenth time in a row. I can personally resist it. I often refuse to play cards like Rhystic Study or Smothering Tithe because it just makes for a nightmarish game state. Let alone if everybody has one.

Yeah, it sure is like that. My cousin, my brother and I all got one of the 2017 commander precons. I went for wizards, my brother cats and and cousin dragons. My brother first wanted the vampires but they were sold out, so I got him the deck for christmas second hand but in great condition. The vampires and dragons often win. We altered the decks but try to keep them at the same level, or else it just snowballs out of control.   :engel:
Somehow I never manage to win with wizards, but I haven't put in some of the more powerful combos, like Wanderwine Prophets.
Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Syphon on March 21, 2021, 02:21:52 PM
Honestly, for those precons, go for Kess. Kess is far more bah-ro-ken than Inalla. Yes, you can spiral out of control with Inalla fairly well, but for the truly broken stuff, go Kess.

Title: Re: Magic the gathering...gathering thread
Post by: Heinrich von Kampfmann on June 18, 2021, 02:17:20 PM
Had some time, energy, a load of "useless cards" (from a large purchase last year) and store credits in a Game Store from trade-ins. Just dug out the cards that I found and used the credits to get the missing cards, mostly rares and mythics. Unsleeved some cards and got over 400 sleeves ready to serve.

The plan is to use these decks to introduce people to magic, with real decks and not just random cards. Reckon they're somewhat balanced against eachother. Since these decks are really cheap I can sell them on for a bit of profit, if someone wants one.  Also got 4 Zabaz, the Glimmerwasp from MH2 for my hardened scales deck in modern,  not getting Urza's sagas just yet.... 

Aether Revolt planeswalker decks Ajani and Tezzeret
 https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/aether-revolt-planeswalker-deck-lists-2017-01-11

Dragon's Maze intro decks. Azorius, Orzhov, Gruul, Simic and Rakdos.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/dragons-maze-intro-pack-decklists-2013-04-24