Topic: Magic the gathering...gathering thread

[Finlay]

of course, rare are meant to be better than uncommon, meant to be better than core.

there ARE and ARE MEANT to be exceptions.

in general, they try to keep the eco-system balanced, but in no means to they try to make each card balances vs each other card.




the problem with cycles like ascendancy's and charms is that they are in the same eco-system, at the same rarity. They really should try to balance them better, imo.

[Cannonofdoom]

Which is why I hate Burning Tree Emissary. If you get all four of them in your hand you can literally put out 4 2/2 creatures for 2 mana and still have two mana left over. It might as well have a 0 in it's cost. 

I am okay with good cards, I'm not really okay with free 2/2 creatures in ever deck that uses red or green.

[Finlay]

BTE aint even that good broseph.

[Finlay]

compare to:






don't get me wrong, BTE is a good card. but not "this breaks the game" complain worthy.

[Cannonofdoom]

I'm not saying it breaks the game. It's just FREE and I see it all the time. You say those cards are better, but those cards require a mana commitment and you can't put four of them down on your second turn with a lucky draw. Seeing them in every green or red deck is what annoys me.

[Finlay]

I've never played more than one bte a turn, and often the extra mana is wasted.

Are you playing random people on gccg?

[Siberius]

I am guessing there is a pretty evil red/green bloodrush deck to be made with burning tree.

[Cannonofdoom]

Randoms on gccg, yes. I have had 3 played in a single turn against me, along with two satyr land untappers; and then the next turn he used them with the nyxthos shrine to nyx to play a 15/15 hydra. He had six lands on the table.

[Finlay]

Your problem is playing randoms on GCCG, not the BTE!

they will be using beardy tournament decks, where as we don't.

I am guessing there is a pretty evil red/green bloodrush deck to be made with burning tree.

was never "top tier" tourament/competetive wise.

[Siberius]

Fin you are being confusing. You are saying the card is not that good, but that playing competitive tournament decks is the problem, but if you are playing against a hard tournament deck that uses it... 

[Finlay]

one card does not make a tourney deck.

It's a good card as I said (never said anything close to "its not that good", just personally I don't think it's good enough to draw complaints about), but you're never (rarely) going to get anything close to the "play" cannon described when playing us.



Furthermore, I was responding to you talking about bloodrush, which was never a top tier/tourney/competetive deck archetype.

[Siberius]

BTE aint even that good broseph.

^ Fairly close. 

Doesn't really matter what level of play it is used at.

Oddly I just managed to accidentally beat one of the randoms using my shadowborn apostle deck which is filled with them and a couple of demons. ratchet bombed the board and then used that black white spell I love to bring all my guys back. Never even got a demon on the table!

[Finlay]

in the context of "it's not worth singling out for complaints", as in the next post i said "dont get me wrong, it's a good card"

I don't look at it and go "damn, that's broken".

unlike those 2 new khans 3 mana wedge creatures i posted the other day!


Oh, and Cannon seeing the same card all the time in the same decks is why I don't like playing competetive.
restoration angel and thragtusk -> snapcaster mage -> sylvan caryatid and Courser of Kruphix

[Siberius]

You should stop talking about it and come play some!

Oh, and Cannon seeing the same card all the time in the same decks is why I don't like playing competetive.
restoration angel and thragtusk -> snapcaster mage -> sylvan caryatid and Courser of Kruphix

This is why it is sad they have to tilt the cards to make some glaringly better than others. I kinda wish that rare meant more that the cards had funky effects rather than just were out and out better. A bit more like rare in warhammer. Or at least conceptually.

[Finlay]

don't really want to, sorry! (and it's better not to play if not "feeling it")
I'll probably dive in more once Khans hits.

Delver of Secrets was a common and ran standard for a while! but it is usually rares, yeh.

final on BTE. It probably is better than I'm giving it credit for, and certainly a good card. Just not one that has ever annoyed me, and god knows i've played cards which annoy me!
but if it annoys cannon, that's obviously his prerogative.

Those sort of degenerate plays are why I don't play randoms on it, unless I'm feeling very generous.



talking about card design, I found an interesting article today abnout the lands they needed for 3 colour, but didnt read it properly yet.
If they made the lands too good, people played 4 or 5 colour. Then if they made them not good enough, people went to mono or dual, when they want wedge bases decks really.

standard might be a bit "slower", because the wedge lands, theros duals, and the refuges they're re-printing all come in tapped.

[Siberius]

No worries, definitely better not to play if you don't want to!

[Cannonofdoom]

I'll be on this evening if anyone would like to play.

[rufus sparkfire]

Maybe tonight (my time!) cannon?


I like the new common dual lands! Zendikar refuges, but in a full cycle!



Good choice. So we'll have full cycles of temples and refuges, enemy painlands, allied fetchlands, and wedge tri-lands. Colourful!


I like this beastie too!



Should be a serpent though!

[Finlay]

the art looks computer generated and weird.
quite good, though.

[rufus sparkfire]

Does it? I think it looks fine. 

[Finlay]

the skin looks like it has no texture or detail

[rufus sparkfire]

I can see a pattern on its skin!

[Siberius]

Some of the spoilers from m15 started a bit fuzzy. May be the same here.

[rufus sparkfire]

Could be!

Extorting rhino:


Another charm:


I think it's better than Mardu, but worse than BUG.

[Siberius]

It reminds me of the azor charm you kept using on me yesterday! Do all the new ones take elements of the old ones and just mix them up? I know I should go check meself but I don't seem to be.