Topic: How would you update the empire in 8th ed?

[innerwolf]

A personal suggestion(which I already commented on the Cavalry tactics thread):

Change Knightly Order basic knights into: same stats, lance, single pistol, plate armour( bulletproof cuirass, if you want). Something along the lines of 19 points. Now we have cheaper, faster and better on their role 'Nilla knights, trading resilience for versatility.

Knightly Order become the current IC knights. The special choice reflects their rarity( I know in Empire fluff Knightly orders are all around the place, but I find quite unreallistic that full armies can be made of full white harness, créme-de-la-créme gendarmes equivalents.
25 points, 1+ save, strength 4. One or two more magic banners for them. Being special choices, maybe even some kind of "Order specific upgrade" could work. Nothing overly complicated, as "Reroll rallying tests", or "-1 to hit when being stand and shooted".

I think with this changes basic Knights, IC knights and Pistoliers would be different enough to not overlap.

[Dannyfave]

See I simplify that, make barding optional, give the champion the option for wielding a brace of pistols and the fullisade rule.... done.

They are still resiliant, and they hit hard, but they would be faster and cheaper... justg my thoughts on what you sugested.

[phillyt]

What, have we moved from even pretending to make things possible to the "Choose your Own Adventure" phase?

Phil

[Chubba]

Though I want the fusilade rule back, pistoliers are already some of the best light cavalry units in the game so its obmission is understandable.

WS 5 for Greatswords with the ability to take a 25 point magic banner.

That's actually it. I think the rest of the army is fine.

[phillyt]

What about knights armed with blunderbusses riding on two wheeled Steam Tanks known as "Steamcycles."

And make the fast cavalry.

Awesome.

Phil

[Dannyfave]

What, have we moved from even pretending to make things possible to the "Choose your Own Adventure" phase?

Phil

Dude, I loved those books when I was younger (o.k I still do)

[phillyt]

Some were awful!  There was one about becoming a musical band.  My favorite was the race across Africa.

But all of that is a story for another thread...

In the Back Table.

Phil

[Odominus]

I like some of the ideas presented. Here are a couple I'd like to see:

1. Make AL prayers bound lvl 5 (like the Theoginist). I think it is bad that his prayers are at the same level as a WP.

2. Make volley guns have the ability to stand and shoot. On a misfire, the army book only mentions them getting "jammed," not reloaded like a cannon. They are using fed ammo and should have the ability to swivel towards the chargers and let go with a volley.

3. More magic banner selection and more availability options on units able to use them.

4. Bring back the war wagon. I've had a lot of fun with this unit and would like to see it return in some form. I would even accept losing the steam tank option to get back the war wagon (gonna take heat on this one). Steam tanks just seem a little 40K to me.

5. Reduce Runefang cost to 75.

6. Change the cost of the war alter to 150 and allow the light spell cast from the alter to be at the cooresponding bound power as the spell cost.

7. This last one is just a wish, a pipedream. But I always thought it would be cool to offer a magic banner that gives +1 strength to a unit (including the horses!!). Put this on a unit of knights. It doesnt stack with the +2 lance strength. But on the second round of combat you would be hitting at ST 4 or 5(ic knights). Horses hitting at strength 4 would be beautiful>;p

[innerwolf]

What, have we moved from even pretending to make things possible to the "Choose your Own Adventure" phase?

Phil

I think you draw too much in your "respectability" to make such condescending comments about others' oppinions, Philly.
This began as a wishlist and it keeps being a wishlist. Maybe I'm wrong taking it personally, but I don't think I said anything significantly more outrageous than the people before me. If you don't like it, it's fine. But I don't like you downgrading my ideas to " adventures".

[Shadowlord]

I think you draw too much in your "respectability" to make such condescending comments about others' oppinions, Philly.

On the contrary, he is gaining respect.

Much of the wishing in this thread is ridiculous especially since a lot of former rules are not even supported by the main rules/design.

But honestly, I too would love fast cav steam horsemen. 

[phillyt]

I think you draw too much in your "respectability" to make such condescending comments about others' oppinions, Philly.

Not targeted specifically at you.  I found your conquisator heavy cavalry interesting, but 100% out of place in the context of the army and absoultly no chance of ever occuring.

Now back to the point, what about a giant iron giant, packed with gear work, bristling with cannons, handguns, gattling cannon, mortars, and with a pair of helstorms on the shoulders.  Perhaps through the use of eldritch magic they could use it to keep ancient heroes alive, like former Grand Masters!

That would be really neat!

Phil

[Chubba]

I've been here for but a few moments and my sarcasm meter is already broken.

Goddamn it.

[rufus sparkfire]

I think you draw too much in your "respectability" to make such condescending comments about others' oppinions, Philly.

There's no respect on the internet. Everyone is an idiot. 

[Johan Willhelm]

Now back to the point, what about a giant iron giant

He . . . hehe . . . hehehe . . . hehehehe . . . hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Philly funny . . .

 

P.S hehehehe

[Uryens de Crux]

Probelm is, the chances are some one at GW is reading this and even now thinking "thats brilliant, and we will sell loads"

[Helgrim]

I'm lost. Are we all now mocking each others ideas and being sarcastic about sarcasm? If so...........none of you smell.

[patsy02]

I think you draw too much in your "respectability" to make such condescending comments about others' oppinions, Philly.

Not targeted specifically at you.  I found your conquisator heavy cavalry interesting, but 100% out of place in the context of the army and absoultly no chance of ever occuring.

Now back to the point, what about a giant iron giant, packed with gear work, bristling with cannons, handguns, gattling cannon, mortars, and with a pair of helstorms on the shoulders.  Perhaps through the use of eldritch magic they could use it to keep ancient heroes alive, like former Grand Masters!

That would be really neat!

Phil

Don't forget the dwarf-sponsored gyrocopter blades for a 20" flying move.

[phillyt]

Mecha Giant Smash!

Best idea, what if he can convert into a Windmill when not in Battle Mode.  His giant rotocopter blades would power flour mills or something.

I think we are on to something here...

Phil

[Dunrik]

I've been here for but a few moments and my sarcasm meter is already broken.

Goddamn it.

Yeah, you'll need a warhammer-empire sarcasm meter special edition

[Irisado]

Now back to the point, what about a giant iron giant, packed with gear work, bristling with cannons, handguns, gattling cannon, mortars, and with a pair of helstorms on the shoulders.  Perhaps through the use of eldritch magic they could use it to keep ancient heroes alive, like former Grand Masters!

Sssh....!  Don't give GW any more hair brained ideas.  They did create Champion the Robo Wonder horse after all, so I'm sure they could justify creating a pseudo Imperator Titan for the Empire  .

[Gondarion]

I'd like to see massive amendments to the game itself, and in my view The Empire is the army most dependent on this for positive definition, due to being the "basic" or "all-around" force. 

[innerwolf]

I've been here for but a few moments and my sarcasm meter is already broken.

Goddamn it.

My sarcasm-o-meter just exploded. I'm out.

[warhammerlord_soth]

Although the Imperial Titan would make a nice conversion contest...

Never mind, Steveb probably has five of them in a box in his bedroom....

[patsy02]

Mecha Giant Smash!

Best idea, what if he can convert into a Windmill when not in Battle Mode.  His giant rotocopter blades would power flour mills or something.

I think we are on to something here...

Phil

This 'verwandeln' technology must be a gift from the dwarves though, presented to KF to save the the old world from the evil Deceptichaos. As Sigmar himself said, "there's more to the Dwarves than meets the eye".

[offroadfury88]

Now back to the point, what about a giant iron giant

He . . . hehe . . . hehehe . . . hehehehe . . . hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

Haha when you type out "hehehehehehe" it sounds more like you giggling uncontrollably rather than laughing.

If I could have one wish it would be for new knight models.