Topic: TEG5: Empire Tactical Thread

[mrth0msen]

I know we're nor supposed to tailor make list vs HE, but spears seem to be a really popr choice, due to the frosties -1S aura, hitting regular elves asl on a 4+/5+ instead of 4+/4+ seems very weak! Going spears should mean bringing a lvl 4 shadow for mindrazor at least.

[grifter]

9x10 archers for core. lets show the pointy ears that mass > class!

[Holy Hand Grenade]

The High Elves have posted a list and have finished tweaking it...

We need to get some action over here!

[gray_death01]

Actions we have aplenty...its final decisions we lack lol.

There are several nice lists posted already...lets just get to the voting and then we can make minor adjustments from there. What I remember from fighting High Elves is erase their magic and monsters asap and then pick and choose your fights.

[mrth0msen]

Ok, I have a list suggestion based on the suggestions so far. It is not calculated per se, as i wang to know what you think first:

Lords:
lvl 4 heavens with dispel scroll = 225

Heroes:
2 captasi = 300

Dawnstone bsb on bwh = 140

Luthor huss = 155 - general.

Characters = around 620

11 IC knights FC - standard of discipline - Luthor goes here = 320

45 halberdiers FC = 300

10 archers = 70
2*5 archers detachment = 70

Core = 760

Special:

6 demis FC and steel standard = 413

10 outriders = 210

2 great cannons = 240

Specials = 863

Rare:
Steam Tank = 250

Gives around 40 points to play around with. We can swap the steam tank for a helblaster engineer and some chaff if we want.

[Perforated]

Hi,

How about going with a "meat-grinder" style army list?

either two huge blocks with 80 halberdiers each or one with 80 with double 40 detachments. The idea is if course to engage his units and grind it down by sheer weight of number.

Don't have my book readily available right now but the following could serve as a template?


Arch Lector
BSB
Wizard Lord

80 halbs + 2x40 halb dets.
2x10 Archers
2x5 knights

Cannon

Hurricanum
Luminark
Steam Tank

[zifnab0]

Going back to essentials, I think we mostly agree on the following:

Arch Lector
Level 4
BSB

Block of infantry
Archers for diverting

2 cannons

Steam Tank

Questions we need to address:
- How to spend our points in Rare?  HBVG?  Another tank?  Buff wagon(s)?
- Do we need a second, Level 2 wizard?
- What type of infantry?
- Knights?  Demigryphs?

After that I don't think it matters too much what we do with our leftover points.

[Holy Hand Grenade]

Actions we have aplenty...its final decisions we lack lol.

There are several nice lists posted already...lets just get to the voting and then we can make minor adjustments from there.

I agree-  lets just start voting now and then that will give us a few days for final tweaks.

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ALPHA LIST-  Balanced

Battle Wizard Lord: Level 4 Wizard; Lore of Life.
Captain of the Empire: Ogre Blade; Charmed Shield; Luckstone; Warhorse (barding); full plate armour; Battle Standard.
Battle Wizard: Dispel Scroll; Lore of Beasts.

12 Inner Circle Knights: Inner Circle Preceptor; musician; standard bearer; Standard of Discipline.

28 Halberdiers: musician; standard bearer.
• 5 Archers
• 5 Archers

4 Demigryph Knights: standard bearer.
4 Demigryph Knights: standard bearer.
4 Demigryph Knights: standard bearer.

Great Cannon
Steam Tank

Steam Tank

2,396 points-  we would need to add more points

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BRAVO LIST-  Heavy Arty

GotE, Full Plate, White Cloak, Enchanted Shield, Relic Sword, OTS, Imperial Griffon
Shadow Wizard lvl 4, Talisman of 4++, Dispel Scroll
Captasus 1, FP, Shield, Dragonhelm, Shrieking Blade, Pegasus
Captasus 2, FP, Charmed Shield, Sword of Might, Pegasus
2x Master Engineer
4x Witchhunter, Brace

4x 10 Archers
20 Swordsmen, Standard
26 Swordsmen, Standard
5 Archers (detachment)

3x Great Cannon
2x HBVG

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CHARLIE LIST-  Balanced

Arch Lector on War Altar, heavy armor, 4+ ward, charmed shield
Level 4
BSB with FPA, 5+ ward, enchanted shield
Level 2 with scroll

40 Halberds, full command
2x5 Archer detachments

10 Archers
2x5 Archer detachments

5 Knights, musician
2x3 Demigryphs, Musician

2x Cannons

5 Pistoliers

Steam Tank
Celestial Hurricanum

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DELTA LIST-  Balanced

Arch Lector on Foot
Wizard Lord L4
BSB on Foot
Battle Wizard L2
Engineer
Captasus

50 Halberds
  5 Archers
  5 Archers
10 Archers
6 Knights
40 Greatswords standard discipline
Cannon
Stank
Helblaster

Need some flushing out, but the basics are there.

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ECHO LIST-  Balanced

Arch Lector on WAlatr with Horn Gen  (GW, Armour of Destiny, Van Horst)

10 Archers 
     Wizard Lord, Light Lvl4  (Dispel Scroll, Talismen of Pres)

Captasus (Dragonhelm, Luckstone, Potion of Fool)
Captasus (Ench Shield, Dragonbane Gem, Potion of Strength)

5 Demigrpyhs (FC)

2x 5 Vanilla Knights (Musician)

39 Halbediers  (FC)
     Captain  BSB  (Helm of the Skavenslayer, Dawnstone)
     5 Archer det
     5 Archer det

2x Great Cannon

Steam Tank

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FOXTROT LIST-  Flying, Cavalry Heavy

Battle Wizard Lord, Lvl 4 Beasts Gen Peg, Dispel Scroll, Talis of Pres

Battle Wizard Lvl 2 Beasts Steed, Scroll of Shielding

Captasus BSB (Lance, Dragonhelm, Dawnstonel)
Captasus (Ogre Blade, Ench Shield)
Captasus (Lance, Helm of the Skavenslayer, Dragonbane Gem, Ironcurse Icon)

5 Demigrpyhs (Musician, Std)
2x 3 Demis (Champ, Musician)

2x 6 Knights (Champs, Musician)
2x 6 Knights (FC)

Steam Tank

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GOLF LIST-  Cavalry Heavy

General of the Empire (Full plate, lance, white cloak, enchanted shield, blood roar Griffon)

Assassin Captasus (full plate, shield, sword of swift slaying, potion of speed)
BSB Captasus (Full plate, shield, drangonhelm, lance, dawnstone)
Attack Captasus (full plate, shield, sword of strife, pot of foolhardiness
Battle Wizard (lvl 2, horse, dis scroll)  (beast)

IC Knights x10 +FC
IC Knights X10 +FC
Crossbows X19 +music

Demi’s x5 +FC(banner of swiftness)
Cannon
Cannon

Stank

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HOTEL List-  Balanced

Luthor huss general
lvl 4 heavens with dispel scroll = 225
2 captasi = 300
Dawnstone bsb

11 IC knights FC - standard of discipline - Luthor goes here

45 halberdiers FC

10 archers
2*5 archers detachment

6 demis FC and steel standard
10 outriders

2 great cannons
Steam Tank

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INDIA LIST:  Infantry Heavy

Arch Lector
BSB
Wizard Lord

80 halbs + 2x40 halb dets.
2x10 Archers
2x5 knights

Cannon

Hurricanum
Luminark
Steam Tank

Would need some tweaking

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JULIET List:  Heavy Shooting

Level 4 (Life)
Arch Lector

Engineer x2
Captain, BSB
Level 2 (Fire), scroll

20 Crossbows
20 Crossbows
10 Archers
10 Archers
15 Archers

3 Cannons
10 Outriders
10 Outriders
5 Pistoliers + Musician

2 HBVG

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[Holy Hand Grenade]

Here is how I want you to vote:

Pick your top three and list them 1,2,3 in priority order of what you like.

When I count up the votes, a #1 pick will get 3 points, a #2 pick 2 points, and #3 picks 1 point.  It should give us a nice spread.


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My vote for what I want to see:

1.  FOXTROT
2.  ECHO
3.  ALPHA

[zifnab0]

1. CHARLIE
2. DELTA
3. JULIET

Just to make sure, 2500 points, right?

[grifter]

1. BRAVO
2. FOXTROT
3. INDIA

[Perforated]

1. INDIA
2. FOXTROT
3. DELTA

[gray_death01]

1. Golf
2. Bravo
3. Hotel

[Holy Hand Grenade]

Just to make sure, 2500 points, right?

Yep, we will tweak the final list to 2500

[SevenSins]

1. Foxtrot
2. Charlie
3. Juliet

[TCWarroom]

Alpha

[Mortim]

1.JULIET
2.JULIETT
3.ROMEO

 

[mrth0msen]

1: juliet
2: hotel
3: charlie

[George]

1. Delta (Well its the one I wrote )
2. Charlie
3. Echo

Basically I'd like to see a well rounded list so we can see how the different elements work against the elves.

[Lord Solar Plexus]

1. Alpha
2. Golf
3. Charlie

Foxtrot is nice but with the possibility of double Frosties I think more cannon/shots are better.

[Wojownik]

1) Bravo
2) Echo
3) Foxtrot

[Holy Hand Grenade]

Well, it looks like Foxtrot has it by a point.

Any one feel confident in being the General for it?

Noght and George are possibles.  Since it is my modification to Sammay's list I could do it as well-  but it is easier if I stay impartial as a moderator.

Any tweak recommendations?

[grifter]

I´d remove the BSB from one of the Pegs, Ironcurse Icon from the other; remove the Standard from one of the Knights units.

Use the points saved to buy a Gleaming Pennant for the big Demi´s and a VH Speculum for one of the Captains or a Wizard.

Otherwise, the list looks cool to me.   

[Playonwords]

George has just invited me to join the Empire team, if thats ok with all you guys. I have some experience with all cav empire armies, though that Foxtrot list isnt at all what id pick - looks like itd be really fun to play however.

[Noght]

Well, it looks like Foxtrot has it by a point.

Any one feel confident in being the General for it?

Noght and George are possibles.  Since it is my modification to Sammay's list I could do it as well-  but it is easier if I stay impartial as a moderator.

Any tweak recommendations?

I'd rather "dual" General it.  If someone wants to Partner that'd be great.  I will be out of town near the end of the Month for Business so someone has to partner up.

Input from team preferred and welcomed as always.

Let me know.