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Offline rufus sparkfire

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Re: 40K
« Reply #2350 on: October 14, 2011, 11:05:08 AM »
I don't understand.
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« Reply #2351 on: October 14, 2011, 11:09:10 AM »
Nor do I but don't get clarification!  HE is mad I tell you!  Mad!
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« Reply #2352 on: October 14, 2011, 11:13:14 AM »
Quoting issues. Or one of you two changed it, which I also find highly likely.  :closed-eyes:
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« Reply #2353 on: October 14, 2011, 11:16:42 AM »
Oh, it makes more sense now.

I don't think my statements are inconsistent though.
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« Reply #2354 on: October 14, 2011, 11:18:24 AM »
Are space Marine bike squads effective in 40K?  What if I want an army full of em?  A Biker Army....

There's a guy at my LGS who took an all bike army to a couple of RT tournaments and did very well.
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« Reply #2355 on: October 14, 2011, 11:19:28 AM »
Oh, it makes more sense now.

I don't think my statements are inconsistent though.

Indeed! My brain was melted, as you said it would be.
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« Reply #2356 on: October 14, 2011, 11:20:33 AM »
By plasma.

Though it's better to melt things with meltas, because they are more melty.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #2357 on: October 14, 2011, 11:21:12 AM »
Yeah White Scars can be nasty in tournaments.

Ork bike armies are even better.  The all get 4+ cover saves, 4 attacks on the charge, and twinlinked S5 AP5 heavy 3 shots. 
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Re: 40K
« Reply #2358 on: October 14, 2011, 11:28:55 AM »
I can't decide if battle bikes are an absurd or an awesome idea. Probably both, as with most 40K things.

Why don't space marines get jetbikes anymore? Except for that one dark angels guy on the flying boat that Finlay and I saw at warhamster world.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #2359 on: October 14, 2011, 11:30:01 AM »
They replaced them with Trikes and Landspeeders.

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« Reply #2360 on: October 14, 2011, 11:32:20 AM »
But they always had landspeeders and trikes!


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« Reply #2361 on: October 14, 2011, 11:44:23 AM »
Time moves on. Nowadays Marines have also stopped hitting people with simple wrenches.

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« Reply #2362 on: October 14, 2011, 11:47:57 AM »
Yes, they use chainswords that have exactly the same stats as a wrench.

I bet jetbikes will be back in the next army book anyway.
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« Reply #2363 on: October 14, 2011, 11:55:26 AM »
Yes, they use chainswords that have exactly the same stats as a wrench.

Well, yes - in return the wrench of the techmarine now has the stats of a powerfist.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #2364 on: October 14, 2011, 12:23:18 PM »
the amount of silly internet vernacular for 40k is amusing.

Actually, I hate that. Talk properly, internet, or don't talk at all!


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Finally, can psycannons in "assault" mode fir rending shots? a blog I just read seemed to imply they only rent when fired in "heavy" mode.

Ha ha, you wish they didn't rend all the time!

Reading anything about 'competitive' 40K will melt your brain.
I hate it as well, I just didn't want to say so because I'm trying to start less sentences with "you know what annoys me?"

Yes, I do! Well, I can keep dreaming.

I found a dark eldar blog, with beautifully painted models. But everything he writes is whiny. Specifically this really long post about how crap dark lances are.


we only havent finished two games, one rufus conceded after 4 turns with almost nothing left, and one I stopped after 2-3 turns.

My list doesnt have enough flexibility for multi objective grabbing.

This is what you need to fix Finlay.  As you have a 2/3rd chance of objectives, it is best to build your army to do objectives rather than KPs.
I know, I just didn't really want to fill my list with chimeras veteran spam and vendettas. Partly due to cost.

Anyway, 6th is out quite soon, they might nerf transports again.
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« Reply #2365 on: October 14, 2011, 12:24:55 PM »
Dark Lances are crap? Don't they have the same stats as a Bright Lance?

This Deldar Player lacks balls and sense.
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« Reply #2366 on: October 14, 2011, 12:44:03 PM »
He says you need 25 dark lances to kill 3 vehicles a turn, which if you factor in cover means 1.5.

He was talking about competetive play, so I guess lots of fully meched IG (too many targets to dark lance) and grey knights (fortitude!).

It made me not want to play dark eldar!
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Re: 40K
« Reply #2367 on: October 14, 2011, 12:47:07 PM »
He's a whiny tart who you should kick in the goolies, or should do if he ever had any.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #2368 on: October 14, 2011, 12:52:29 PM »
Also, simple fix for Tau.

Increase all Tau units (not kroot or vespid) bs by one.


Done!
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Re: 40K
« Reply #2369 on: October 14, 2011, 12:58:03 PM »
I hate it as well, I just didn't want to say so because I'm trying to start less sentences with "you know what annoys me?"
Perhaps ending them with it is an improvement.

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Re: 40K
« Reply #2370 on: October 14, 2011, 01:44:11 PM »
He says you need 25 dark lances to kill 3 vehicles a turn, which if you factor in cover means 1.5.

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What kind of vehicle? Against Rhinos, 25 DLs will hit a bit more than 16 times, penetrate 8 times and do 2-3 glances.

That's not tooo bad... You don't need to wreck/explode everything to take it out of the game. Stunned will do nicely for a turn, thank you.

Dark Lances are basically like missile launchers, only they'll never have to face more than AV12.
And as far as I know no one is complaining that, say, Longfangs with 15 MLs are too weak.

Some people will complain about anything. Pay it no heed.

And most of all, don't be hounded by some armchair preachers into what you can and cannot do.

I don't own a single Obliterator and win far more games than I lose with CSM. If you listen to the Internet that should technically make the universe explode because it's so impossible.

That doesn't mean that there aren't things that are statistically better or worse than others, only that stats aren't the be-all, end-all.

And finally, show me an army that can do better than 25 S8 shots at 36" with BS4... Jeez.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #2371 on: October 14, 2011, 01:51:55 PM »
Hey Finley,

You dont need just vets, chimeras and vendettas.  Other units are capable of fulfilling objective missions, in just a different way.

For example, scouting walkers, can pop up and negate enemy objectives, even if they cant capture.  If you use Alrahiem, you can scout an entire platoon.
Regular guardsmen can use chimera if you dont want to use vets. I often give chimera to my regular units. 
Storm troopers can deep strike, they can invade enemy objectives.
Remember, you can interfere with them scoring their own objective with non troop units, you just need to ensure you actually have troops on your own. 

Dark eldar are evil.  The player in our group has virtually his entire army mounted in raiders.  If you don't manage to kill most of them before they get you in hand to hand its game over with guard.  He can easily aquire feel no pain too, negating a lot of their supposed weakness of being low toughness and armour.

I would avoid all competitive 40k sites for list building advice, although they can give you a reasonable idea of what is strong in a list.  You tend to see what I call photoshop lists [eg the same thing repeated over and over in all slots]

Aldaris:  Obliterators are great.  But I agree with you, the internet will have you beleive it is literally impossible to win without them.  I often play with just one, or maybe two in total.  No where near the recommended 3x2 in my heavy slots.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #2372 on: October 14, 2011, 02:14:04 PM »
Don't talk to the internet! You will only encourage it.

Also doing any kind of mathematical analysis prevents fun. I can prove this fact with numbers!


Also, simple fix for Tau.

Increase all Tau units (not kroot or vespid) bs by one.

And add space dwarfs!


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they might nerf transports again.

But not too much, I hope.



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« Reply #2373 on: October 14, 2011, 02:42:50 PM »
Also doing any kind of mathematical analysis prevents fun. I can prove this fact with numbers!

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« Reply #2374 on: October 14, 2011, 03:34:08 PM »
Aldaris, he was talking specifically about killing vehicles, because fortitude is prevalent (I think close to 50% of tourney lists are grey knights) and imperial guard can take like 15 vehicles.
He says that the longfangs work better because they can kill tanks with melta (which they can get loads of) and powerfists, where as all that DE have are heatlances, haywire grenades, and dark lances.

Crimson, I didn't want scout sentinels because they'd just get psycannoned. But if they psycannond those, it saves chimeras/tanks i guess.
Al Raheim is too expensive I think, because you probably need to mechanise the whole platoon. and then you have chimeras with useless troops in them.

His argument was that its sometimes quite hard to get troops out so you can assault them.
But apparently DE normally finish well in tourneys. Maybe because good players are drawn to them. Or just because they are good and different.


BTW, I don't agree with him necessarily, just saying what he said.
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