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The Old World Cometh Again !!! / Re: Exploiting Flying Columns
« Last post by PowerSeries on Today at 03:06:05 AM »
Anyways, you were the one to put it in your list in the OP.

What else are you going to do with the flying block?  It's still only one unit.
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@Minsc. I almost agree. The part of the faq that is causing the problems is this

"In other words, the combat is ongoing"

Before this "everyone" thought that combat after FBIGO was a new combat that stared on combat round 1. This part of the faq changed it so that combat after FBIGO is not a new combat and instead the old combat continues with another round. .

I did not think that. Nor did my gaming group. We played FBIGO as the same combat so things like challenges that were unresolved were still locked in.
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The Old World Cometh Again !!! / Re: Exploiting Flying Columns
« Last post by The Peacemaker on Today at 02:25:10 AM »
Yep. RAI is unclear too since the horde rule is explicit. ...they couldn't copy-paste?
So we go with RAW which means it hits the max rank bonus from 1 rank. So you pay 50pts for something you can get vy simply spending those points on more bodies.
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The Old World Cometh Again !!! / Re: Exploiting Flying Columns
« Last post by Dazgrim on March 28, 2024, 11:13:15 PM »
Griffin banner is worthless. Better just spend the points on more bodies since RAW you only get the bonus for the first rank since it's still capped. Might as well just take a war banner.

What? How are you concluding this?

BRB page 105, "**Note that in some cases the maximum Rank Bonus a unit can claim can be increased by special rules."

Griffon Standard, "...a unit carrying the Griffon Standard can claim a rank bonus of +2 for each extra rank behind the first, rather than the usual +1."

I can't see any way to read it the way you are interpreting it.

The problem is that the banner doesn't grant an increase to the maximum rank bonus. So you get +2 per rank as you say, but you're still capped at a maximum rank bonus based on your unit type.

I agree RAI it is meant to work as it has in every other edition, but RAW it doesn't. Compare to the Horde rule which is explicit in allowing increased rank bonus above the maximum.
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The Old World Cometh Again !!! / Re: Another Lance and FBIGO discussion
« Last post by Hoffa on March 28, 2024, 09:12:49 PM »
Exactly it is the key and everything else is GW wordiness. They could have answered the change weapons question with:

No, unless forced to by some rule. (Combat after FBIGO is not a new combat)

It would still leave us with the lance mess but that is really a problem with the lance rule and not this FBIGO ruling. There really need to be a faq on lances clarifying it the intent is they can be used after the first round of combat.

(My fear is that GW would answer that question with. No, lances require that the wielders charged this turn.)
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The Brush and Palette / Re: Greetings!
« Last post by RaptorusRex on March 28, 2024, 07:25:06 PM »
General On "Griffon".

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The Old World Cometh Again !!! / Re: Tournament List and Scenarios
« Last post by Clymer on March 28, 2024, 04:29:51 PM »
It's certainly possible he was doing it correctly. Of course, no unit can wheel more than twice their movement characteristic, so no more than 8". This could well limit how much a huge bus of marching column halberdiers can wheel left or right after they land behind the enemy. I don't think it would come into play for the little detachments.

Worth noting that for this turn the troops have a move value of 12"

Yep! Good catch!
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The Old World Cometh Again !!! / Re: Exploiting Flying Columns
« Last post by Clymer on March 28, 2024, 02:47:51 PM »
Griffin banner is worthless. Better just spend the points on more bodies since RAW you only get the bonus for the first rank since it's still capped. Might as well just take a war banner.

What? How are you concluding this?

BRB page 105, "**Note that in some cases the maximum Rank Bonus a unit can claim can be increased by special rules."

Griffon Standard, "...a unit carrying the Griffon Standard can claim a rank bonus of +2 for each extra rank behind the first, rather than the usual +1."

I can't see any way to read it the way you are interpreting it.
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The Old World Cometh Again !!! / Re: Elf meta in mighty empires
« Last post by GamesPoet on March 28, 2024, 02:30:28 PM »
Ah, so you're taking Empire in this event, if I understand correctly :icon_question:
(Yes, GP ... he's taking Empire.)
Awesome! :icon_biggrin:
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The Old World Cometh Again !!! / Re: Exploiting Flying Columns
« Last post by PowerSeries on March 28, 2024, 01:30:45 PM »
It's clearly "extra rank behind the first [rank]", and it's trying to say exactly the same thing as previous griffon standards.

So normally it's 1 rank + 0, 2 ranks +1, 3 ranks + 2, 4 ranks +2

Griffon Standard: 1 rank +0, 2 ranks +2, 3 ranks + 4, 4 ranks + 4

And in 6e it's
1 rank +0, 2 ranks +2, 3 ranks + 4, 4 ranks + 6

This still makes it much worse than before, as you get a max of +2 for the banner instead of +3 like we used to.  So it's a War Banner which goes to zero if you get hit with first charge, but +2 if you have full rank bonuses.  Honestly I'd rather the war banner if they cost the same, but instead it's double the points.


I think some people are reading it as capping out at +2 bonus for ranks, not 2 extra ranks being counted, so it goes

1 rank +0, 2 ranks +2, 3 ranks +2, 4 ranks + 2

So it's just a worse war banner.  I clearly don't agree.

And I see someone saying

1 rank +0, 2 ranks +1, 3 ranks + 3, 4 ranks +3

if you are reading it as "behind the first [extra rank]", but that's just silly.



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