Author Topic: I hate Challenges in 8th Ed (Read 7898 times)

Oxycutor · « **Reply #25 on:** July 14, 2015, 08:31:58 PM »

Wouldn't getting rid of champion challenges mean losing out on the chance for victory points, as you can get extra for a unit champion killing a character in a challenge. And won't this just lead to countering a Deathstar with another Deathstar?

It might be a pain for your super killy characters to get held up for a turn, but being usually on the receiving end, I like a champion speedbump

Dosiere · « **Reply #26 on:** July 15, 2015, 02:11:35 AM »

I don't have a problem with the idea of challenges and the tactical options they open up. The rules for them however (and for command models overall), are needlessly complicated in a ranked up game like WFB.

emcdunna · « **Reply #27 on:** July 15, 2015, 03:44:52 AM »

Command models do weird things in this game.

In my overhaul mod it's gonna be a lot simpler.

Eithher make command models simple to work with or have them just be fluffy models that don't do anything.

knightofthelance · « **Reply #28 on:** July 15, 2015, 04:13:20 AM »

Quote from: Dosiere on July 15, 2015, 02:11:35 AM

I don't have a problem with the idea of challenges and the tactical options they open up. The rules for them however (and for command models overall), are needlessly complicated in a ranked up game like WFB.

I was a bit easier when you just moved the fighting challengers off to the side and everyone else continued on without them.

iatroblast · « **Reply #29 on:** July 15, 2015, 05:19:29 AM »

I guess if you're bringing something your opponent can't easily deal with, you should be expecting such tactics. Maybe not the most reasonable thing to do (accepting challenges with no consideration) but a dragon is the party pooper in most games. So the next best thing an opponent can do is buy some time and skip one-two turns. I wouldn't blame them for that

emcdunna · « **Reply #30 on:** July 15, 2015, 05:50:51 PM »

That argument is just apoligizing for 2 broken mechanics: monster characters and challenges are both out of whack

Gankom · « **Reply #31 on:** July 15, 2015, 06:08:56 PM »

To be honest I disagree. I find it very fluffy and fun, picturing the unit champion sacrificing his life to buy a bit more time for his regiment.

Fidelis von Sigmaringen · « **Reply #32 on:** July 15, 2015, 06:21:39 PM »

I agree with Gankom to disagree.

Gankom · « **Reply #33 on:** July 15, 2015, 09:46:50 PM »

That's what I like most about you Fidelis. Your so agreeable, especially when it's time to disagree.

Fidelis von Sigmaringen · « **Reply #34 on:** July 15, 2015, 10:31:25 PM »

True enough. And it is time to be agreeable by disagreeing with your spelling. (Should I add an emoticon here for benevolent irony? Padre warned against making jokes. )

Gankom · « **Reply #35 on:** July 15, 2015, 10:38:01 PM »

Benevolence is the best kind of irony. One I'm sure we can all live with.

Besides what's the internet without such helpful joke's?

Fidelis von Sigmaringen · « **Reply #36 on:** July 15, 2015, 10:51:57 PM »

Quote from: Gankom on July 15, 2015, 10:38:01 PM

Benevolence is the best kind of irony.

Probably the reason why I was elevated ad honorem altarium.

iatroblast · « **Reply #37 on:** July 15, 2015, 11:58:06 PM »

I think you broke Fidelis. He's speaking alien again

Syn Ace · « **Reply #38 on:** July 16, 2015, 12:06:22 AM »

That's not as impressive as when he starts levitating things.

iatroblast · « **Reply #39 on:** July 16, 2015, 12:45:10 AM »

-edit-

Agreed then. What we are dealing with here is:
a) a software
b) a possessed
c) all the above

Fidelis von Sigmaringen · « **Reply #40 on:** July 16, 2015, 07:32:46 AM »

Quote from: iatroblast on July 15, 2015, 11:58:06 PM

He's speaking ~~alien~~ in tongues again.

The Peacemaker · « **Reply #41 on:** July 17, 2015, 11:30:59 PM »

When I first started playing my buddy and I interpreted the challenge rules that if a hero or lord character doesn't accept a challenge then the opponent gets to chose one of those hero or lords to go to the back.

When I played others they pointed out that 'character' in the challenge rules also refers to champions.

But in our basement games it basically made champions useless but it take make hero and lord challenges meaningful.

emcdunna · « **Reply #42 on:** July 18, 2015, 02:51:49 AM »

The downside is that champions become useless, but the plus side is that challenges are more meaningful and cool.

Fidelis von Sigmaringen · « **Reply #43 on:** July 18, 2015, 05:00:16 AM »

Challenges involving Champions can be meaningful and cool too.

emcdunna · « **Reply #44 on:** July 18, 2015, 05:09:11 AM »

I just see the rules as making champion challenges a simple way to tarpit an enemy hero.

That just seems gamey to me

Syn Ace · « **Reply #45 on:** July 18, 2015, 06:23:25 AM »

It's usually not much of a tarpit. More like a speed bump.

Fidelis von Sigmaringen · « **Reply #46 on:** July 18, 2015, 07:07:21 AM »

Yes, most champions (barring Chaos) will not survive the first round. And if they do - well that is meaningful and cool.

Warlord · « **Reply #47 on:** July 18, 2015, 12:01:37 PM »

Quote from: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on July 18, 2015, 07:07:21 AM

Yes, most champions (barring Chaos) will not survive the first round. And if they do - well that is meaningful and cool.

Except Ogres. And I'm not sure that is meaningful and cool.

Fidelis von Sigmaringen · « **Reply #48 on:** July 18, 2015, 12:19:03 PM »

I said "most champions (barring Chaos)," implying that there are some others. But very well: "most champions (barring Chaos and Ogres)."

CarolineWellwater · « **Reply #49 on:** July 18, 2015, 12:26:17 PM »

(( Fidelis von Sigmaringen,

I think Necropolis Knight Captains might be able to do okay too... and Ushabti Ancients I think could do a challenge okay as well.

Sorry, couldn't resist. ))

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Author Topic: I hate Challenges in 8th Ed (Read 7898 times)