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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2011, 09:05:58 PM »
You could have a good point there.  Maybe they don't want to compete with the fleet games now available.

But just the same, my MoW dream might be is just that anyway.
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2011, 10:34:47 PM »
Yeah, I thought the reason they stopped supporting all the specialist games stuff is that they weren't making money from it (ie players buy the book and 10-20 models and they are done vs buying 200 or more models per army...)

I do like that with this game I won't have to worry about buying any more stuff after buying the box game...
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2011, 01:52:46 AM »
I thought Fantasy Flight's license to produce roleplayinggames, boardgames, and cardgames based on Warhammer and Warhammer 40K was because GW didn't want to invest in those type of games anymore. Now that we've seen both Spacehulk and now Dreadfleet, I wonder if this is a sign that Fantasy Flight Game's license won't get renewed? I'd be very concerned if I were FFG. FFG has done an outstanding job on their GW games and that'd be a huge hit to their income with their loss. Perhaps GW has seen that boardgames can be profitable.

I won't bite though. I'm really getting to a point that I need to get rid of stuff not buy more. I was close to pulling out the credit card Friday night though! $115 is just too much for me, especially for a game I may play once.
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2011, 02:27:25 AM »
I learnt my lesson after Space Hulk. £90, not used a single time.
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2011, 03:08:35 AM »
I've played Space Hulk probably a half dozen or more times, loved it, and will play it again.  Its been a fun and social multi playergame, too.

Dreadfleet could be the same way, but if I buy it, then it would cut into playing time for other things, if I liked it.
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2011, 04:08:50 AM »
I thought Fantasy Flight's license to produce roleplayinggames, boardgames, and cardgames based on Warhammer and Warhammer 40K was because GW didn't want to invest in those type of games anymore. Now that we've seen both Spacehulk and now Dreadfleet, I wonder if this is a sign that Fantasy Flight Game's license won't get renewed? I'd be very concerned if I were FFG. FFG has done an outstanding job on their GW games and that'd be a huge hit to their income with their loss. Perhaps GW has seen that boardgames can be profitable.


Funny you mention that. While I've got no urge to buy Dreadfleet, I was just looking at Talisman on the FFG site earlier today. (I've never played, but heard it's pretty good.)


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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2011, 07:25:02 AM »
Id have been tempted to buy this if it was half the price.  As it is, I just can't afford that kind of money and I doubt I would be able to convince any of my friends to go halfs on it.

Ill stick to BFG for my ship on ship action.
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2011, 11:36:18 AM »
BFG = ???
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2011, 11:40:42 AM »
Battle Fleet Gothic  :-D
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2011, 01:26:46 PM »
Ouch, that is some harsh rhetoric.

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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2011, 08:41:58 PM »
It depends on your point of view. I do not think we are close to whineseer than before. Sure, there have been a bit more critique against GW:s prices but so what? We with little money do feel frustrated. I am to tired to complain much and there are decent alternative minis for some armies.

People always have different opinions on what something is worth. Do not get frustrated by that. And as the times get harsher more people gets frustrated. They got hooked, they invested and then felt they were robbed of their new passion. Sure, you can argue it is a free choice and nothing one need etc. Still, I would miss you all terribly much if I was forced to quit. I would have to cut so many emotional and dare I say social bonds because I had no legitimate reason to remain on these forums. That would make me really bitter and frusrated and I may take it out on GW. In reality I would be most bitter on myself for allowing myself to get dragged into it in the first place.
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2011, 05:29:51 AM »
I don't get frustrated, I am simply bored to read about recycling.
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2011, 09:09:36 AM »
I don't get frustrated, I am simply bored to read about recycling.


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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2011, 09:14:17 AM »
Ah, you mean reading about buying second-hand armies on Ebay? :icon_razz:


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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2011, 10:15:49 AM »
Can you recycle plasin ?

I assume they must be able to find something useful it can make.

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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2011, 10:51:58 AM »
Prices affect everyone in the hobby.  Sure there are some of us who have more disposable income than others.  Everyone has a point where they go, thats nice, but I can't afford it.

70 quid for 10 boat models and a board game is miles above what I would ever pay.  If it was £35 I would have probably considered buying it.  I would more likely buy a Forge World greater daemon or a titan than that at £70, and those purchases are looking highly unlikely!
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2011, 04:21:33 PM »
I recycle every day!

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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2011, 07:47:20 PM »
Woah, Gneisenau has three cycles?  Yowza, thankfully I date women and they only have one, thats plenty. :icon_wink: :icon_lol:

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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2011, 01:35:09 AM »
well lets see I've played space hulk about 10 times now and am trying to write up rules for including other models like gaunts, regular marines, imp guard and so forth  pretty fun game really with a bit more tweaking it can be loads of fun more than GW ever anticipated. 

About the only thing I can say about dread fleet at the moment is that the models look cheesy, cartoonishly implausible, over exaggerated, and trite.  What makes a game fun isn't the models, its the rules, with a good set of rules you can have triangular blocks of single color painted wood to represent the ships and it would still be fun. 
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2011, 02:06:36 PM »
I recycle every day!

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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2011, 02:12:49 PM »
Good one! :::cheers:::

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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2011, 02:25:40 PM »
Amen to that, Huren, me vikin brotha! :::cheers:::
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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2011, 10:29:41 AM »
I may be in a minority here but I quite like the look of Dreadfleet and will more than likely be making a purchase.

£70 is a lot for a boardgame but compared to the money i've spent on other miniatures, is is really that much? Hell, my unit of greatswords cost almost as much as Dreadfleet and at today's prices, it would cost more!

I see this game as something that can be cracked open over a few beers and a takeaway on a friday night, rather than having to set up the games table (it fits on top of my dining table), add loads of scenery and take 4 hours to play a game of Warhammer / Necromunda / 40K. It's also a lot more portable so can easily be taken to a mate's house for a game. I will also use it to try to introduce more players to our gaming group (currently a group of 2, with another guy painting up his 1st necromunda gang) as a kind of "soft" wargame. Even the mrs has been asking about my "toy soldiers" recently and asking if she can play, but she's a bit slow and might benefit from a simple-to-play introduction rather than me handing her the Warhammer rulebook and telling her she can play once she reads it.

Another reason for getting it is that it's a one-off cost, in both time and money. You can't buy any more minaitures for it, therefore once the miniatures in the box are painted you're all done. I don't need to make scenery (I've had a tits full of that after doing a full necromunda table). I don't need to make a 4x4' seascape table to play it on.

Yes as a full on wargame it's pretty far off the mark but as a simple sit-down-and-play boardgame. it ticks all the right boxes. Plus there's skullz and you can never have too many of those.

Did I mention, I'm looking forward to this game?

Also, if anyone in New England (or anywhere else in the world) wants to do me a favour and ship me a copy of Space Hulk (at retail prices, not the silly money they're going for on eBalls), send me a PM and I will send you some paypals.

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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #73 on: September 23, 2011, 02:26:40 PM »
well lets see I've played space hulk about 10 times now and am trying to write up rules for including other models like gaunts, regular marines, imp guard and so forth  pretty fun game really with a bit more tweaking it can be loads of fun more than GW ever anticipated. 


That's what I miss about the wayback old White Dwarfs -- they used to do this with their games. They would publish actual content in the magazine, and expand their games to make them even better.



About the only thing I can say about dread fleet at the moment is that the models look cheesy, cartoonishly implausible, over exaggerated, and trite.  What makes a game fun isn't the models, its the rules, with a good set of rules you can have triangular blocks of single color painted wood to represent the ships and it would still be fun.

I get that point... but then you're paying us$115 (or whatever your local price is) for a set of rules and a bunch of plastic stuff that you don't like. The extra price tag on GW stuff is -- in my mind -- for the quality of their figures. Otherwise, I can find shelves worth of $50 boardgames with great rules and crappy playing pieces (whether plastic, wood, card, etc.)



£70 is a lot for a boardgame but compared to the money i've spent on other miniatures, is is really that much? Hell, my unit of greatswords cost almost as much as Dreadfleet and at today's prices, it would cost more!

That assumes that the price of goldswords is reasonable -- which they are not. Comparing it to something else that's overpriced is a bit off the mark.

However, that said, I do think that if you like the figures, the game is not over priced. Like I said above, $50 +/- for a boardgame isn't unusual. This one comes with what appears to be a really nice looking game mat, detailed figures, and as you said, all the terrain you need. I think that's a pretty good value if you like the rules and the figures.




Plus there's skullz and you can never have too many of those.


At this point, I've had my Skullz limit, and further OMGskullzEVERYWHERE from GW is just a further turn off from their products. At some point they found a line of "too much" and rather than just casually cross it, they loaded themselves in a great cannon and shot themselves way beyond it.

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Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2011, 02:57:40 PM »
well lets see I've played space hulk about 10 times now and am trying to write up rules for including other models like gaunts, regular marines, imp guard and so forth  pretty fun game really with a bit more tweaking it can be loads of fun more than GW ever anticipated. 


That's what I miss about the wayback old White Dwarfs -- they used to do this with their games. They would publish actual content in the magazine, and expand their games to make them even better.



About the only thing I can say about dread fleet at the moment is that the models look cheesy, cartoonishly implausible, over exaggerated, and trite.  What makes a game fun isn't the models, its the rules, with a good set of rules you can have triangular blocks of single color painted wood to represent the ships and it would still be fun.

I get that point... but then you're paying us$115 (or whatever your local price is) for a set of rules and a bunch of plastic stuff that you don't like. The extra price tag on GW stuff is -- in my mind -- for the quality of their figures. Otherwise, I can find shelves worth of $50 boardgames with great rules and crappy playing pieces (whether plastic, wood, card, etc.)



£70 is a lot for a boardgame but compared to the money i've spent on other miniatures, is is really that much? Hell, my unit of greatswords cost almost as much as Dreadfleet and at today's prices, it would cost more!

That assumes that the price of goldswords is reasonable -- which they are not. Comparing it to something else that's overpriced is a bit off the mark.

However, that said, I do think that if you like the figures, the game is not over priced. Like I said above, $50 +/- for a boardgame isn't unusual. This one comes with what appears to be a really nice looking game mat, detailed figures, and as you said, all the terrain you need. I think that's a pretty good value if you like the rules and the figures.




Plus there's skullz and you can never have too many of those.


At this point, I've had my Skullz limit, and further OMGskullzEVERYWHERE from GW is just a further turn off from their products. At some point they found a line of "too much" and rather than just casually cross it, they loaded themselves in a great cannon and shot themselves way beyond it.

I have to say I agree with every single point ZeroTwentythree makes.  But each to their own!  The point where something is too expensive for me, is a lot lower now I have a mortgage than it was when I lived with my parents.
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