Also... just looking at Caliver's site, their foundry orcs are more expensive in GBP than the foundry website. The ogre desperadoes (orcb001) are 25gbp from Caliver and 16.5gbp from foundry. The foundry USD price is about $34, which is cheaper than the conversion of 25 gbp (roughly $40). So, if you are interested in the renaissance ogres and orcs, I suggest waiting for a foundry sale, then either buy enough to get free shipping or buy a book or something with the ones you like.