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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2009, 06:38:03 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2009, 07:08:38 PM »
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Wrong on all counts. Don't forget electricity, discovered by a very famous American...

1. Edison didnt invent the light bulb - that goes to Thomas Swan, Edison developed the incandescant bulb that is now used.

2. Jefferson didnt discover Electricity. That would be the ancient greek inventor Thales, or the English courtier to Elizabeth I, William Gilbert.

As an aside, Edison was a crook, thief, corrupt and a liar and there is some indications, a murderer.
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2009, 07:15:17 PM »
Tim Lee invented the internet too. He's definately English and very rich. Technically the lightbulb was invented way earlier it was just completely unusable.

Is the murderer from irradiating the guy? Cause radiation wasn't as well known about then so it's hardly murder. Even Tesla didn't know about radiation.

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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2009, 07:21:59 PM »
Sorry for thread-jacking lol

I am talking about Augustin le Prince

Anyway, flying monsters shouldnt get armour, unless its in their nature i.e. a dragon, but they should be much cheaper to reflect their easy killability.

Or dont make them large creatures so they can hide behind otehr units.
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2009, 06:04:21 AM »
Sorry for thread-jacking lol

I am talking about Augustin le Prince

Anyway, flying monsters shouldnt get armour, unless its in their nature i.e. a dragon, but they should be much cheaper to reflect their easy killability.

Or dont make them large creatures so they can hide behind otehr units.

Holy Shit!  Freaky stuff in that link.

Hmm, make them less than a large target...that's interesting, but won't it drastically affect certain rules against it?  The Bretonnian "killing blow against big things" trinket comes to mind as a painfully easy-to-exploit example...
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2009, 10:22:47 AM »
Make em US3 or something
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2009, 02:23:25 PM »
Give them the ability to "Play dead"  :smile2:

Seriously, I can't imagine a griffon flying (at all) with the amount of barding it would have to wear to represent full plate armour (not the new GS standard FPA...).

Maybe if it lost the ability to fly? It would still be a pretty powerful monster in close combat, although it loses it's prime ability after terror.

Had we had a ground beast, like the wood elf great bull, it might as well have been an armoured behemoth :-) Oooh, Imperial Juggernaught anyone? :-) Wouldn't you say we need more engineer mounts?  :engel:

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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2009, 02:46:53 PM »
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2009, 03:37:50 PM »
If the griffon loses its ability to fly due to armor, I can't see it being worth it.  Mobility is a huge asset in any army, and without flight I'd feel a griffon is not worth it without some other changes.  I mean, that would make it a large target that would have to plod along towards the enemy, facing monster destroyers all the way.  Would armor give it the durability to make it worth the trade?  I don't know, but I don't think so.
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2009, 06:49:57 PM »
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We invented the computer and the internet so therefore everything should be spelled with real English on the web. We also invented the light bulb, not that Thomas Edison fellow.

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Wrong on all counts. Don't forget electricity, discovered by a very famous American...

1. Edison didnt invent the light bulb - that goes to Thomas Swan, Edison developed the incandescant bulb that is now used.

2. Jefferson didnt discover Electricity. That would be the ancient greek inventor Thales, or the English courtier to Elizabeth I, William Gilbert.

As an aside, Edison was a crook, thief, corrupt and a liar and there is some indications, a murderer.

I'm not referring to Jefferson. I meant Franklin.

Armor is good, as long as it doesn't get overboard, in either direction.
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2009, 07:19:58 PM »
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We invented the computer and the internet so therefore everything should be spelled with real English on the web. We also invented the light bulb, not that Thomas Edison fellow.

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Wrong on all counts. Don't forget electricity, discovered by a very famous American...

1. Edison didnt invent the light bulb - that goes to Thomas Swan, Edison developed the incandescant bulb that is now used.

2. Jefferson didnt discover Electricity. That would be the ancient greek inventor Thales, or the English courtier to Elizabeth I, William Gilbert.

As an aside, Edison was a crook, thief, corrupt and a liar and there is some indications, a murderer.

I'm not referring to Jefferson. I meant Franklin.

Armor is good, as long as it doesn't get overboard, in either direction.

Either way, they didnt invent or discover electricity ;)

In either direction? well since there is none at the moment it can only go one way :D
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2009, 08:00:41 PM »
I meant as long as it didn't give a 3+ save with no penalties, or a 6+ with no flying and 1/2 movement.
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2009, 03:37:11 AM »
Ok, a few things.

1 - comparing the War Altar and the Griffon in points cost is like comparing a Dark Elf spearman with Lothern Sea Guard.
On is clearly underpriced for its effectiveness, while the other is overpriced.
The War Altar needs a price increase. Common consensus is either 125 to 150pts.
The Griffon needs a price drop. I say 160pts

2 - armour on a mount. When I say full plate, I really only mean the weight and amount of armour that full plate would be on a man, covering vital bits. A griffon is big - the amount of armour it takes to cover a man head to toe would cover a griffons back. Thats what I call full plate (even though its not actually...)
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2009, 06:02:07 AM »
Ok, a few things.

1 - comparing the War Altar and the Griffon in points cost is like comparing a Dark Elf spearman with Lothern Sea Guard.
On is clearly underpriced for its effectiveness, while the other is overpriced.
The War Altar needs a price increase. Common consensus is either 125 to 150pts.
The Griffon needs a price drop. I say 160pts

Even under the current pricing, I think dropping it to 160 makes it a much better option simply from a tactical standpoint.  I'm not as concerned about upping the cost of the altar, certainly not unless other armies are going to be brought into line as well.  After all, if every other army becomes overpowered (not saying they all are, but if it happened), then we cease to be most balanced and become the weakest.  GW either needs to balance the unbalanced armies, or improve the balanced ones to match them (tough with us, since I already feel we're about the most balanced one out there).

2 - armour on a mount. When I say full plate, I really only mean the weight and amount of armour that full plate would be on a man, covering vital bits. A griffon is big - the amount of armour it takes to cover a man head to toe would cover a griffons back. Thats what I call full plate (even though its not actually...)

Well, that's not really "full plate", but now I get where you're going with this.  :wink:
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2009, 01:46:07 PM »
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2009, 03:19:08 PM »
I think Wiss is onto something here. I still think it would be viable to take as often straying too close to a unit of handgunners or crossbowmen, heck even some lucky archers can cause your monster to end up a pincushion and it's so frustrating to know that all they need is a couple of lucky 6s and the VPs start leaking out. They are not that hard to bring down with small missile fire.

Warmachines should kill them, so that is ok. Arrows should too in large quantities, I don't deny that, but I think a little protection could make sense if one wanted to take it. I almost always take extra armour over extra guys as it's amazing how often those 5s or 6s get rolled in a pinch.

I like the idea of a few more monsters daring to fly onto the table, they are just too delicate right now though, those with saves already ignored.

Perhaps as extra incentive, the rider could get +1 from it too, like they do with barding on a normal steed...
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2009, 04:43:54 AM »
1.  Reduce the point cost of a Griffon and give it a heavy armor/full plate  upgrade. Rather than reduce the movement of the Griffon you can reduce its initiative.   
2.  Allow the Griffon to be ridden by a Captain at the cost of an extra hero slot.
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« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2009, 02:21:24 PM »
Light armor? Sure.
Heavy armor? Umm, maybe.
But full plate? It just feels wrong.

I just can't picture a griffon flying wearing enough metal to qualify for 'full plate'.  :-o

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« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2009, 03:35:28 PM »
I think an armour option would be great.  Do you know how many times my big chicken has gone down to some Skinks?  Too many.

Also, imagine how awesome that model would look!
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2009, 07:42:46 PM »
Make the Griffon 150pts and it already comes with armour (4+)


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« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2009, 09:24:51 PM »
Give it a speach bubble saying "NONE SHALL PASS!!" (The knight, not the griffon)

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« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2009, 04:20:33 AM »
I agree wholeheartedly with Victor. While an armor save is an excellent idea for griffins, there is absolutely no reason to add a complicated and unneeded armor option. Simply give a griffin a 4+ armor save and call it a day. It'll be a great excuse for GW to produce an awesome armored plastic griffin model with both human and elven riders.

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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2009, 04:15:03 PM »
I want one of those griffons. :smile2:
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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2009, 06:42:32 AM »
I still say a +100 pt option for a Griffon is reasonable.  How many times do you see the Griffon in a tournament?  I've never seen in it a tourney army - regardless of race (or even a hippogriff or manticore).  I think that obviously says that those options are horrendously overpriced.  I mean, a Knight is almost as durable as a Griffon!  The armor option would be cool for something like 20 pts.

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Re: Armor for monster mounts
« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2009, 04:31:32 AM »
I like the armour thingy Wiss. It would be great though, if you could combine that with the 4+ ward from the holy relic, or the warrior priests' prayer. something to help fight off the cannons and bolt throwers of the world.
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