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The Empire at War ... The Gamers Guild => Other Fantasy Games ... => Age of Sigmar => Topic started by: Uldakamedes on October 23, 2017, 04:29:02 PM
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Hello Fellow Free Peoples! :biggriin:, I'm still fairly new to Age of Sigmar and also Free people whom i decided to choose as my main army. I just recently picked up the new generals handbook and im having a hard time understand how Freeguild Great Companies work. It probably super simple and im just not picking it up, having a rather slow moment :-P. I get how they form but how they function is confusing me. thanks in advance for the help folks!
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Well, if I go through an example, might that help?
Myself, the Freeguild player has a unit of 20 Freeguild Handgunners, a unit of 20 Greatswords and a unit of 10 Freeguild Guard with swords and shields.
I've move the 10 swordsmen up front in my turn, and the handgunners are a little behind and to the right a bit, where at least a couple of them are within 5" of the swordsmen. Likewise, the halberdiers are 5" back and to the left.
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My opponent has his turn, and in the charge phase charges with his Blooodreavers, and successfully ends up within 1/2" of my Swordsmen, but the Bloodbound are still 6" away from both the Greatswords and Handgunners
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The Great Company rules say that at the end of each enemy charge phase a great company unit can support another great company unit. As long as the unit doing the support is more than 3" away from the enemy - so the Handgunners and Greatswords qualify in this example. Also, that the unit they are supporting is within 3" of the enemy - so the Swordsmen qualify, and that the units doing the support are within 6". As we've said already the handgunners and greatswords were 5" away from the swordsmen, so they can both act!
The act can either be a shoot as if it was the shooting phase, or a charge as if it were the charge phase. So, the handgunners could shoot, it doesn't actually specifiy they have to target any unit that is within 3" of the unit they are "supporting", so they could shoot anywhere, though they might want to help out their buddies. The greatswords could charge, and again, doesn't have to charge the bloodbound, but it could be the only unit in range to charge.
So, supposing the greatswords charge the bloodbound (likey to succeed as they are 6" away) and the handgunners then shoot, killing a few of the bloodbound.
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The bloodbound with a smaller unit is now facing two enemy units, rather than one.
Supposing both sides roll terribly, and nothing much happens in the combat phase, and battleshock phase. Then my opponent wins the roll-off for the next turn, and his hero phase, movement phase, shooting phase don't have any impact on this area of the battlefield, so it's his charge phase. At the end of it, even your opponent didn't charge, you can check to see if the great companies rules are applicable, and in this example, the handgunners would be eligible to support again, so they could charge or shoot.
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Oooh! That sounds very good! :icon_biggrin: :icon_cool:
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Basically, it's Empire Detachments. but better.
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Yep, sounds like it! :::cheers:::
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I've only got it to successfully work in one game so far, but when it did it was beautiful. Just have to watch for flankers and ambushes.
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I would think a couple of really cheap screening units to keep stuff off the supporting units. Maybe even dip into allies
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Welcome! I love your warcraft 2 footman avatar!
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Welcome! I love your warcraft 2 footman avatar!
Thanks! always loved warcraft games along with the universe im actually basing my free peoples army scheme after the Scarlet Crusade.
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Well, if I go through an example, might that help?
Myself, the Freeguild player has a unit of 20 Freeguild Handgunners, a unit of 20 Greatswords and a unit of 10 Freeguild Guard with swords and shields.
I've move the 10 swordsmen up front in my turn, and the handgunners are a little behind and to the right a bit, where at least a couple of them are within 5" of the swordsmen. Likewise, the halberdiers are 5" back and to the left.
HHHHHHHHHH.....................GGGGGGGGGG
HHHHHHHHHH.....................GGGGGGGGGG
...............................................................
...............................................................
.....................SSSSSSSSSS.......................
My opponent has his turn, and in the charge phase charges with his Blooodreavers, and successfully ends up within 1/2" of my Swordsmen, but the Bloodbound are still 6" away from both the Greatswords and Handgunners
HHHHHHHHHH.....................GGGGGGGGGG
HHHHHHHHHH.....................GGGGGGGGGG
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.....................SSSSSSSSSS.......................
.............BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB............
The Great Company rules say that at the end of each enemy charge phase a great company unit can support another great company unit. As long as the unit doing the support is more than 3" away from the enemy - so the Handgunners and Greatswords qualify in this example. Also, that the unit they are supporting is within 3" of the enemy - so the Swordsmen qualify, and that the units doing the support are within 6". As we've said already the handgunners and greatswords were 5" away from the swordsmen, so they can both act!
The act can either be a shoot as if it was the shooting phase, or a charge as if it were the charge phase. So, the handgunners could shoot, it doesn't actually specifiy they have to target any unit that is within 3" of the unit they are "supporting", so they could shoot anywhere, though they might want to help out their buddies. The greatswords could charge, and again, doesn't have to charge the bloodbound, but it could be the only unit in range to charge.
So, supposing the greatswords charge the bloodbound (likey to succeed as they are 6" away) and the handgunners then shoot, killing a few of the bloodbound.
HHHHHHHHHH..........................................
HHHHHHHHHH..........................................
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........................................GGGGG............
.....................SSSSSSSSSSGGGGGGGGGG
..........................BBBBBBBBBBBBBB.GGG
The bloodbound with a smaller unit is now facing two enemy units, rather than one.
Supposing both sides roll terribly, and nothing much happens in the combat phase, and battleshock phase. Then my opponent wins the roll-off for the next turn, and his hero phase, movement phase, shooting phase don't have any impact on this area of the battlefield, so it's his charge phase. At the end of it, even your opponent didn't charge, you can check to see if the great companies rules are applicable, and in this example, the handgunners would be eligible to support again, so they could charge or shoot.
That makes much more sense! i was so confused trying to play it out, for some reason i was reading the words but they weren't clicking in my head haha. :icon_lol:.
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Not to resurrect a 2-year old thread, but I thought the above discussion might be helpful. I also understand that certain criteria have changed (wholly within 12" v. within 6"), but I have questions on the new rules:
1) How does this work woth counter-charging? As I read this, I think you should be able to make both moves as long as all pre-requisites are met in sequence; and
2) Wholly within 12" of each other - does that mean the two furthest models have to be within 12" of each other, or the whole of the respective units must be within 12" of the closest model from the opposite unit. I want to assume the latter, because the former seems near impossible to do anything with.
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The latter. Every model in unit A is within 12 " of a model from unit B