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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4525 on: April 03, 2013, 11:16:44 AM »
There is a lot to dislike about Skyrim, but the one area that really isn't up for debate is the graphical appearance.  When I see people ask why Hitman can present so many people, it is a pretty easy point to make. 

Bethesda chose to make sure everyone has a house or bed (though this sometimes makes for strange sleeping partners), a schedule, and clothes that can be taken. They also wanted to make sure every item that can be worn appears on the model (necklaces and rings, etc.).  The issue there of course is most people will never see it.  Likewise, better even than the character models, the terrain and environment graphics are astounding.  Rather than pile on a bunch of faceless, barely interactable NPC's they chose to put a bunch of more developed ones in.

I think the reason it makes it seem so strange is because they put so much work into the look and feel of the game and expanding the character of the models in question, you expect the game to be a little more filled out.  When they imply that Whiterun is the capital of an entire province and it has a total of 30 residents, that is a tough pill to swallow.  But it isn't outside of the realm of standard RPG games.  Hitman can have piles of people (as well as Assasin's Creed) because they are just there to bump into, or have rudimentary interactions with.  They are pretty flat in terms of polygons and texture.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4526 on: April 03, 2013, 11:20:39 AM »
It’s not debatable, even though 6 people have been debating it.  :eusa_wall:

What RPG does it better?

Is that the point? I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
the point was “I like skyrim, but I wish the cities and armies had more people”
I’d most certainly trade some nicely textured leather and seeing someone wear a ring for this.

People aren’t saying they don’t think the graphics are nice.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4527 on: April 03, 2013, 11:47:55 AM »
People claimed they couldn't see the difference.  This isn't an argument over aesthetics, it is a set of people saying "I don't see the difference" when the difference is significant.

I would rather have more interesting environments than more faceless people.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4528 on: April 03, 2013, 01:13:11 PM »
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Hitman can have piles of people (as well as Assasin's Creed) because they are just there to bump into, or have rudimentary interactions with.
That is exactly what skyrim characters are, but with a hefty set of pre-recorded dialogues and monologues, and a huge degree of interconnection with other characters and parts of the game.

Your point seems to be that more fewer and more complex NPCs lead to a more immersive experience. In my opinion the opposite is achieved when there are 60 of them in what's supposed to be the regional capital, and they're all so transparently robotic and hollow anyway.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4529 on: April 03, 2013, 01:18:00 PM »
People claimed they couldn't see the difference.  This isn't an argument over aesthetics, it is a set of people saying "I don't see the difference" when the difference is significant.

I would rather have more interesting environments than more faceless people.
I see a difference, but not 10 times like you claimed, and I would prefer more faceless people than being able to steal 30 people's pants.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4530 on: April 03, 2013, 01:20:02 PM »
I am not saying you are wrong, but that point is debatable.  It depends on preference.

I would have liked there to be some less interactable characters, but their pursuit of the radial quests and AI meant that those characters needed to follow a schedule.  If they dropped 100 random people in, they would have needed 100 random homes for them.  100 beds.  100 chairs.  100 places for them to eat.

I personally liked going to the bar in Roreikstead and seeing the farmer I spotted on the road two hours earlier eating for the evening.  Likewise, I like finding the barmaid from the inn in Whiterun sleeping with the Greymane dude who fought with the blacksmith...
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4531 on: April 03, 2013, 03:18:49 PM »
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4532 on: April 03, 2013, 03:32:07 PM »


sooo is this accurate? I really want to play this.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4533 on: April 03, 2013, 03:41:06 PM »
Yeh, she gives you ammo, health and salts. As well as sometimes being able to open tears to get you other stuff, like extra weapons, turrets, skyline hooks, cover.

They solved the “no escort mission” by making her invincible.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4534 on: April 03, 2013, 04:37:46 PM »
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4535 on: April 03, 2013, 06:03:49 PM »
Finally got around to modding Skyrim a bunch.

I guess it looks ok now.

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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4536 on: April 03, 2013, 07:06:14 PM »
Vanilla Skyrim looks alright. Modded Skyrim makes my panties moist.



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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4537 on: April 03, 2013, 07:58:59 PM »
What mods?
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4538 on: April 03, 2013, 08:10:12 PM »
I didn't quite go all out because my computer couldn't handle it, but I installed...

Well a screenie is easier.

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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4539 on: April 03, 2013, 09:40:52 PM »
I didn't quite go all out because my computer couldn't handle it, but I installed...

Well a screenie is easier.


No heavy game changing mods?

I have a few appearance ones but I don't think I could play the game without Skyrim Redone anymore
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4540 on: April 03, 2013, 11:07:36 PM »
What does that one do?
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4541 on: April 03, 2013, 11:19:54 PM »
Well the most important thing it does is rework the skill trees. Trees have more points and when you get points the bonuses are at much lower percentages. This also kills the crafting spam as there is really no way to be competitive if you are really good at Alchemy, Enchanting, and Smithing, you just won't have the points elsewhere that you will desperately need. Combat is deadlier especially if you don't have block skills and are not a light armor dodgy guy. Full on power hits can knock your character down and then you can just watch as enemies come over and finish you off. Also the environment levels with you better, human foes in particular, so they remain challenging longer.

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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4542 on: April 03, 2013, 11:41:48 PM »
SPERG is a skill tree mod. Apocalypse adds more spells, still deciding which magic rebalancing mod to use. I have a dodge and dual wielding mod that still needs to be installed as well.

I generally don't like the huge redo packs because I'm not looking for a complete overhaul, more a few tweaks here and there. Also they inevitably have feature creep.

Well, in some cases (skills, spells, crafting) more than a few tweaks. SPERG is really good btw, I highly recommend it (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/24445).

Also everyone who isn't start using Mod Organizer (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/1334). Easily the best mod manager I've found. Works for all TES/Fallout games starting with Oblivion. It even identified the mods used by an old NV save so I could reinstall them and continue with it! Does a whole bunch of other supersweet stuff, just read the page there.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4543 on: April 04, 2013, 04:33:28 AM »
Mods? Oh god.....
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4544 on: April 04, 2013, 06:17:42 AM »
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4545 on: April 04, 2013, 02:12:30 PM »
Awesome.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4546 on: April 04, 2013, 02:14:12 PM »
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4547 on: April 04, 2013, 02:41:17 PM »
Alright, it isn't.
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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4548 on: April 04, 2013, 03:34:23 PM »
I start to understand the ebbs and flows of the game Finlay suggested to me Unity of Command.

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Re: Gamer thread
« Reply #4549 on: April 04, 2013, 03:35:58 PM »
I start to understand the ebbs and flows of the game Finlay suggested to me Unity of Command.

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Shit, when have you been playing it? I want to try 2player again, but you will crush me even worse if you’ve been on it!

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