Topic: 40K

[Crimsonsphinx]

Its okay Rufus.  I have been working on some fluff for "Codex Generico Marines" who happen to specialise in laspistol warfare.  I have several great stories of them teaming up with Tyranids to fight traitor guard and another even more stupid one of them teaming up with Dark Eldar to fight Tau   

[rufus sparkfire]

Great!

I'm looking forward to their release! I'm sure no one is anxious for a new Tau book or anything like that.

[Cannonofdoom]

While I know space marines sell more, blah blah blah, they wouldn't sell any less if they had just one book, and if needs be something like Codex Craftworld Eldar, to have a couple of pages per chapter to switch about some force organisation charts and introduce unique units.

Yes, they don't really need their own army books. You can tell it was a real struggle to fill up the fluff section of the blood angels book, for example!

But then how would they power creep to convince Space Marine player to buy Orks, and then to buy all new Marines for their Blood Angels, and then Dark Eldar, and then Grey Knights?

[Crimsonsphinx]

Do people genuinely buy whole new marine armies when they move from codex ultramarines to codex blood angels?  Rather than just using the same models, except for the unique units?

Id be surprised if most people do!

[rufus sparkfire]

I would definitely use the same models! A space marine is a space marine.

Grey knights are only different because they have awesome double bolters and magic halberds. And better hats.

[Cannonofdoom]

A blue Space Marine is not a Blood Angel, and a Red one is not a Space Wolf.

[MrDWhitey]

A blue Space Marine is not a Blood Angel, and a Red one is not a Space Wolf.

The joy that is thousands of manbabies screaming "SUCCESSOR CHAPTERS!" in unison.

[rufus sparkfire]

Or just that the colors you paint something have nothing to do with the rules you use!

[MrDWhitey]

Or just that the colors you paint something have nothing to do with the rules you use!

How very unfluffy of you rufus.

I am most pleased.

[rufus sparkfire]

Oh, good!

[Crimsonsphinx]

A blue Space Marine is not a Blood Angel, and a Red one is not a Space Wolf.

The thing is you can paint your models whatever colour you like!  A blue space marine can easily be a successor chapter.  You might have more difficulty convincing people this is valid if you use special characters or chapters which are themselves successors [Black templars I am looking at you here]

If you paint your army as blood angels, then decide you want to try out ultramarine rules, you can have the Angels of Blood [see what I did there ] chapter of codex marines!

[rufus sparkfire]

The thing is you can paint your models whatever colour you like! 

Exactly!

There are probably some crazy people who would insist that Grey Knight purifiers have to have white helmets, just because the ones in the pictures in the army book do. But they are wrong.

[MrDWhitey]

Indeed they are wrong!

I myself would do the white helmets though, because I like how that looks. Simple as that really.

[rufus sparkfire]

I didn't because then I couldn't use the same models to represent strike squads and purifiers.

And because I can't paint white things very well.

[Crimsonsphinx]

I didn't because then I couldn't use the same models to represent strike squads and purifiers.

And because I can't paint white things very well.

Both good reasons for not painting white IMO   

[MrDWhitey]

I'd be painting them a creamy bone colour I was forced to perfect (and then never bothered to use) on my red eldar.

Fortunately, it seems someone is buying my ogres so Grey Knights are looking likely....

[Aldaris]

Your army promiscuity disgusts me.

[MrDWhitey]

Your army promiscuity disgusts me.

Thank you. My goal is to eventually go to my club, and play anyone there that day, safe in the knowledge they're fielding an army I painted/or sold to them.

I'm already about half way there.

[Aldaris]

There is a guy in Soths club who can truthfully make that boast several times over.
 

[Crimsonsphinx]

Lucky them, I cant imagine selling an army of my painted models, and quite frankly I doubt anyone would want them!

I also tend to use bone/dhenab stone as a replacement for white.  It is a lot easier to work with, and I use white for final highlights.  Sure it is a little dirtier, but looks more gritty.

Quick rules query for the eldar players on here.  Swooping hawks can hit vehicles on 4s with grenades, does this apply in hand to hand against dreadnaughts?  My first thoughts are no, but one of my group was trying to claim that they can.

[MrDWhitey]

"In assaults, they never require worse than  4+ to hit vehicles"

A Walker is a vehicle.

Go check the rulebook to see what it says, I'm off to get needles stuck into me.

[rufus sparkfire]

But the walker rules say you can only grenade them on a six.

Conflict?

[Aldaris]

But the walker rules say you can only grenade them on a six.

Conflict?

No, why would there be? The Walker rule is a general rule, just like the one that says vehicles that moved more than 6" are only hit on 6's. The one MrDWhitey is referencing is a special rule circumventing those.

[Crimsonsphinx]

But the walker rules say you can only grenade them on a six.

Conflict?

That is my view Rufus.  The walker rules specifically state you need 6s, where as the hawks grenades specifically state they need 4s.  Obviously the eldar player is going to want 4s, and the walker player will want 6s. 

I suppose that you could argue that the army book overrules the rulebook, but it isn't clear, which is why I was asking it here! 

[Aldaris]

I suppose that you could argue that the army book overrules the rulebook, but it isn't clear, which is why I was asking it here!

Why isn't it clear? Would you argue that they hit, say, speeding skimmers on 6s then?