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Title: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: arselus on September 02, 2010, 03:28:54 AM
I am interested in undercoating my halberdiers with gray spray paint. My thinking is: this will save me from needing to paint a base coat over my usual black undercoat. Does anyone have experience using non GW spray paints to undercoat their minis? A friend told me that in terms of paints, it is ill advised to use non-GW, because non-GW have lower amounts of pigment. I don't really know anything else about it, and am just wondering if the same might be true about spray paint. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: Captain Schweinkreiger on September 02, 2010, 04:47:19 AM
Krylon is cheap and works wonderfully in my experience,  but I have only ever used white and black for basecoating.  I  believe there was a thread about this or one that mentioned this previously.  Good luck. :-)
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: Spartanman001 on September 02, 2010, 05:30:41 AM
i use Tremclad rust paint flat black. It works very well and it costs about 6-8$ canadian.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://images52.fotki.com/v1553/photos/5/52544/2899457/Step2BasePieces20-vi.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D105907%26sid%3D28053e153976fdc6d7effef4b7c9a7d6&usg=__cizdaxciTOJX0E6p5AtzYJEgFIw=&h=459&w=500&sz=83&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=xKMlmRv06VUSmM:&tbnh=173&tbnw=195&prev=/images%3Fq%3DTremclad%2BRust%2BPaint%2Bblack%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D651%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=342&vpy=86&dur=1725&hovh=215&hovw=234&tx=134&ty=131&ei=JzV_TKCiFITmsQO5rqD1Cg&oei=JzV_TKCiFITmsQO5rqD1Cg&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

I haven't used gray before but i hope this helps!
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: pincushion on September 02, 2010, 05:43:29 AM
I have used yellow for a Nordland army once. It worked very well BUT you really can't judge where you are at till your finished because there is so much colour. This proberbly wouldn't be a problem with grey but finish your first model, don't get half way and plonk him into the simple green bath :)
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: Moxer on September 02, 2010, 05:44:25 AM
There are also colored primers by army painter, that work well. Just make sure to watch theri how-to-use video on their website, because the stuff needs a different spraying technique than GW primer.
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: arselus on September 02, 2010, 07:18:20 PM
Thank you for the advice everyone. I went with Krylon gray primer, and so far it looks fantastic. Here are 2 pictures so far, I will update when I finish for reference.

(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/arselus/DSC06962.jpg)

(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/arselus/DSC06963.jpg)
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: arselus on September 23, 2010, 07:32:16 PM
just some close to finished products so you guys can get an idea for how it turns out:

(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/arselus/Wissenlanders/DSC08000.jpg)

(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/arselus/Wissenlanders/DSC08001.jpg)
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on September 23, 2010, 07:59:27 PM
They look great.

I've used Krylon for many years and have been very happy with the results.

Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: steveb on September 24, 2010, 05:59:10 AM
I laughed when I first read this today, I had just been at Michael's hobby and craft store. While there I bought a can of Krylon flat white primer for $5.95, after my 40% discount coupon, (they publish a one item coupon in Sunday flier at least once a month) it cost me $3.55. It is a large can. I followed this purchasing trip with a visit to my local game store and gazed upon a GW can of flat white primer, exact same size for $15.00, and wondered why anyone would ever buy it. I now realise that there are many people out there who have not been brought to the light. I shall strive to blow the horn from the highest hill top, and announce to the world, there are choices! and usually the best choice does not have the GW trademark on it. I am not refering to figures, but it is getting to that point also, but more to the things like paint, glue, tools, flock, static grass, brushes, etc. etc. etc.  Be brave my fellow painters ask the elders for the brands and deals that they use, save your money for figures, not supplies.  Happy panting and gaming await, remember more is better.  steveb
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: DariusZero on September 24, 2010, 07:46:25 AM
Well, this primer certainly looks very good. I shall definitely try to get it. For my projects I use besides GW white and nonGW black and grey also the GWspray gun, which is very usefull, because youcan prime in any colour you wish and so it saves you a lot of time. I intend to spray one unit now with yelllow spray to make it into a nordland scheme, so I'm deciding on the right tone of yellow.

@steveb: I believe there should be a specific thread dedicated to nonGW products, right?

If not than I will create such a thread.










.........just kidding 023  :wink:
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: Skyros on September 24, 2010, 07:01:12 PM
Just be sure if you are intending the undercoat to show that, unlike me, you pay attention and buy the non-silk/gloss finish version.
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on September 25, 2010, 01:54:07 PM
remember more is better.  steveb

 :biggriin: :biggriin: :biggriin: :biggriin:
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: White Knight on September 25, 2010, 06:08:36 PM
I've used primer for cars for over 10 years now, with no ill results.
Title: Re: Undercoating in non GW and in colors?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on September 26, 2010, 03:24:25 AM
If not than I will create such a thread.










.........just kidding 023  :wink:


Actually, I think a thread with a collection of GW products, and then links to their alternatives would be a great/useful idea. Or even as a sticky thread or a workshop article.

For whatever my curmudgeon-y opinion is worth.  :wink: