Topic: The Minotaurs: End Times?... or Good Times?!

[rufus sparkfire]

Just think of all those poor orc players then - orcs get bigger every time new models are released!

[Shadowlord]

Just think of all those poor orc players then - orcs get bigger every time new models are released!

Like that HUUUUUUGE plastic warboss they released...

[Siberius]

Just think of all those poor orc players then - orcs get bigger every time new models are released!

Oh I know, I have orcs (chaos dwarf slaves). Always been a bit of a problem I suppose, I got some of the old wood elf warhawk riders recently and they look rather silly next to the new ones... they are almost literally half the size.

Oddly, dark elves got smaller than they were a couple of editions ago. Thank goodness!

[Shadowlord]

Dunno if you have seen this but here is a short video of the new Beastmen AB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--IOJpVmK58&feature=player_embedded

[phillyt]

The only problem with the new minotaurs (well maybe not the only, but one of the main ones for me) is that I worry that next to the new ones, the old ones will look somewhat underfed and pathetic...

So you are complaining that minotaurs are too big and actually look impressive?

which means you either have to live with that, have a weird looking army, get no new ones, replace or your old ones or... always put them on opposite flanks of your army  .

I have 12 old minotaur.  I will just use them and not worry.  This is chaos after all!

Phil

[Draig]

Just think of all those poor orc players then - orcs get bigger every time new models are released!

I used Blackreach Warbosses to convert my Blood Bowl Black Orcs. Ogre hands and arm armour from the metal Tyrant fit the bodies perfectly. By contrast my ancient Ork painboy model fits Night Goblin arms precisely. That's a lot of creep. By 2020 we're going to have a serious problem!

[Justnorth]

Just think of all those poor orc players then - orcs get bigger every time new models are released!

Yeah it's true, Orcs are now massive compared to just ten years ago when they were just, well, big.

I used Blackreach Warbosses to convert my Blood Bowl Black Orcs. Ogre hands and arm armour from the metal Tyrant fit the bodies perfectly. By contrast my ancient Ork painboy model fits Night Goblin arms precisely. That's a lot of creep. By 2020 we're going to have a serious problem!

There's a reason they are going to ten models in a box, at 35mm each, rank and file won't fit 20 in a box anymore.

[phillyt]

I love the size of the black orcs.  They are the right size finally.

Phil

[Justnorth]

Maybe for an Ogre but they sure as heck ain't 28mm.

[Shadowlord]

I love the size of the black orcs.  They are the right size finally.

Yes, and in line with the fluff.

Old comic orcs are dead - thank the powers that be.

[Mathi Alfblut]

The orcs and Orkz are proper now! Why are you complaining Justnorth?
GW made the right move when they started to create their version of the orcs/orkz as something less weedy and really fighty and hurty. Now they look like the threat to the world they are supposed to be.

[Justnorth]

I think the plastic rank and file still look to have some of the comical in their sculpting, and that becomes blatantly obvious when compared to the more mature menace one can see in the LotR Orc sculpts.
Rank and file orcs, while being ridiculously oversized are still relatively kiddy-licious. 

[phillyt]

Maybe for an Ogre but they sure as heck ain't 28mm.

HAve you ever met a black orc?  How are you sure that the models do not represent a black orc scaled to 28mm?  Do you expect everything to be the height of a human?

Phil

[Mathi Alfblut]

I am constantly tempted to collect a Blorc regiment. Just because GW have fooled me into believeing they are more value for the money today than Goldswords.

Damn... they look so sexy in all their urtyness, them plastic Black orcs. 

[Siberius]

The only problem with the new minotaurs (well maybe not the only, but one of the main ones for me) is that I worry that next to the new ones, the old ones will look somewhat underfed and pathetic...

So you are complaining that minotaurs are too big and actually look impressive?

which means you either have to live with that, have a weird looking army, get no new ones, replace or your old ones or... always put them on opposite flanks of your army  .

I have 12 old minotaur.  I will just use them and not worry.  This is chaos after all!

Phil

I'm not really even complaining per se. I just think they might look weird next to each other. And it's more because the old ones were so slender than thinking that the new ones are too beefy.

But I'm not sure yet whether or not I'll need more anyways. I already have 6 minos and 6 chaos ogres (which I guess are going to be mino stand-ins from now on...)

[Shadowlord]

Do you expect everything to be the height of a human?

I doubt it myself, but I strongly believe that there has to be some WFB bashing for him to function.

Mature LotR Orcs? 

That's just retarded in so many ways.

[Mathi Alfblut]

I guess by mature he means evil looking/naturalistic/gritty and sneaky... sort off. Like they are in the movie and the books.
LoTR orcs, only Moria goblins die in greater number per human! 

[Shadowlord]

I guess by mature he means evil looking/naturalistic/gritty and sneaky... sort off. Like they are in the movie and the books.

Must have missed the gritty look of the latest O&G and Ork books then...

[Mathi Alfblut]

Seems so... Space orkz, as gritty as they come. 

[DariusZero]

Something like this?

[Shadowlord]

There are better ones out there, for instance the 40K codex is crammed with gritty sweet Orkiness.

[Mathi Alfblut]

The 40K ork Codex are in many ways the ultimate 40K Codex! 

[Justnorth]

Maybe for an Ogre but they sure as heck ain't 28mm.

HAve you ever met a black orc?  How are you sure that the models do not represent a black orc scaled to 28mm?  Do you expect everything to be the height of a human?

Phil

In a literal sense you can obviously do anything you like in terms of scale.

What gives me and obviously a lot of other collectors/painters and gamers a bit of the old eyes rolling effect is the size creep compared to previous editions so they don't mesh with your existing G-dubya rank and file for instance, which is a real shame when you are looking for new poses to bring a little variation to an existing unit... and also their scale to other models from G-dubya's different armies.
I understand that the kiddie target market doesn't bat an eyelid because they are not around long enough to comprehend anything like size or price creep.
It's us oldies that see the negative side of it.

[Shadowlord]

It's us oldies that see the negative side of it.

Agreed!

It's teens like PhillyT who have no idea what they are talking about...

[phillyt]

I see.  Why should they remain fixed on the shitty old models when they can improve the look?  They haven't creeped since 2000.  10 years is pretty good.

Phil