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The Old World Cometh Again !!! / Re: More meta stats revealed - from bad to worse for Empire of Man.
« Last post by Minsc on April 16, 2024, 09:33:11 PM »So a bretonnian baron has the same stats except 1 extra I for the GM. Then does the GM always win that fight (on average) because he always goes first. If this is the case then the 1 extra I is worth the price of the Baron. In this case 100 points.
Flawed logic, you can increase any relevant stat by 1 (be it WS, I, S, T or A) and say "it's worth X because the GM will win due to it."
It's also very much worth noting that the Baron would have Blessing (so a built-in ward), Finest Warhorses, +1M and Magical Attacks in addition to being much cheaper than the GM.
The only thing the GM would have going for him is +1I, +1 Save* and ItP to his unit. Is the GM worth ~45 pts more? Absolutely not, if anything he should probably be cheaper than the Baron, or at the very least be the same cost, +/- 5 pts or so.
(*Brets don't have access to Plate, but they do have access to a very good +1 save magic item if they want.)
Just for fun, another comparison:
A High Elf Prince with FPA and Shield on a Barded Elven Steed is 156 pts.
A Grand Master with FPA and Shield on a Barded Warhorse is 166 pts.
The GM has: +1T, ItP to him and his unit and Rallying Cry. (He also has Stubborn and Veteran, but those rules are only really useable when he is alone, and aren't something I'd be willing to spend many, if any points on, because he will rarely be alone.)
The Prince has: +1M, +1 WS, +1 Ld and Strike First.
+1 Ld (for a Ld10 General) easily trumps ItP and Rallying Cry (and once in a blue moon useable Stubborn/Veteran.)
+1 WS, M and Strike First easily trumps +1 T
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I'm honestly pretty sure that at some point, a Warhorse (or Barded Warhorse) was built into the base price of the GM and CM (it would explain their high basecost), and iirc in every earlier edition the Grand Master came with a mount by default.
Then they removed the mount, probably because they reworked how mounts are purchased in TOW, but forgot to lower the pts cost of the GM and CM. Would also explain why the GM has a plethora of rules on his profile (that he probably pays for...) like C.Charge, Swiftstride and F.Charge, when the very mounts he *must* buy for additional points all have the same rules...
It just doesn't make sense.
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A GM should be in an army with lots of DGKs and Knights. However is that army good? Would it have state troops? How would the state troops perform?
I don't know about "should", a GM works in pretty much any army list.
Regardless of that however, he should be costed according to his own merits, not the merits of the armylist he's in.