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Skirmishers or fastcav

Both of these are much slower than the peggy-mage.   It is one thing to say that.   Firing skirmishers (if they have quick shot) are still likely hitting the peggy-mage on 5+ (long range) or even 6+.   With BS5 or so this could be a concern but these are fairly rare.   For shooting you would need to be concerned more about characters with the Dragon Bow or that sort of nonsense.   I'm not sure what type of normal BS shooting is very concerning.

Like if you consider empire archers.   They have 6 shots (say there are six of them which seems like a decent number for skirmishers) which would do on average 2 hits and 1 wound.   That means they need 3 rounds of uninterrupted shooting to kill the peggy wizard.

You bring up speed yet the wizards themselves are limited to their cast range. It's not like skirmishers and fast cav with ranged weapons need to be able to charge you or even be near you, just being within their range is enough. If your Wizards are out of range they can't cast, and I'll just shoot at something else = it's a win.

Empire Archers are quite literally one of the worst ranged skirmishing units in the game when it comes to damage output, they're not a good yardstick. There are a ton of BS4 skirmishers who will hit your Wizards on 3+ or 4+ if long range. Heck, it doesn't even have to be skirmishers, just regular ranked up elves with bows will hit on 5+ at worst (-1 move, -1 long range) unless you're in cover. Then you have various units that can march and shoot, got quickshot, don't suffer penalties, etc. etc.

Any competent general with a half-decent list would either eliminate those Wizards without too much effort (or keep them so far away that they can't do anything), assuming it's an army that can do so. Against some armies without shooting (like WoC and VC) they'll likely perform better.

Well you do have to do something about that large slow moving unit of state troops because that is where all the points in this list are.

Sure, but the things that is most capable of dealing with large units of infantry are usually not the same thats the most capable of dealing with chaff, because thats essentially what your Pegasus-Wizards are.

So I played a game against wood Elves.

The way watchers or blocks of glade guard can definitely delete a mage if they get a clear shot at them.  Heck they deleted 10 spearmen a turn, as well as my knight block.


Also of my mage can move 10" and then cast a 16" spell, they can target you mage as long as you are within 26".  Assuming they want to be in that location afterwards. So I'm not sure you count as safe from magic missiles.

Placing the 5+ ward save from elementalism on your high priority war machines discourages the opponent to kill the warmachines via shooting. You can also use the priest of sigmar prayer one.

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Since old world came out my gaming group got a lot bigger. In two different gaming groups now. So it's pretty much the full spectrum. There is a lot of elf players thou.

I run IC over Demigryphs. I have run two IC of 6 and that works fine.

What makes me take IC over Demigryphs is that they can act way more independent than Demigryphs and that they are way faster. LD9 veterans makes it so you dont need a Grand master as a baby sitter.  Demigryphs are 3 wounds away from a ld8 panic test, and with people are taking more multiple wounds attacks, you are going to roll panic. IC are basicly one of two/three regiments you have that are not dependent on your characters Ld support.

That gives me way more options of what characters that you can take. Witch hunters, chapter master or captain on pegasus, horse or demigryphs can work along IC (the only way to use Witch hunter in my opinion). Ulric priest are ok with them. I however I like the captain on Griffon. He is a great support for two 6 man IC regiments. Not too expensive, can charge things behind the enemy lines (like support wizards or the like) and terror is great support for you knights charge, they remove ranks and is close order. All for 190 pts.

IC also have rules that makes them good in their own right. Drilled is an amazing rule. 21" march and just having a 2 man front makes them alot easier to move around and get good positions. If you are in a flank were you are hard counters, Drilled gives you the ability to change you flank.

Stubborn is a must have. If you knights fucks up a charge your plans are not just destroyed. You can use them as a sacrifice to a Dragon. And with Ld9. They can hold the line if you need them to.

A more funny build if to take Wizards hat on the IC champion. Ld9 reroll makes stupid not a thing and hammer hand works ok. Just keep away from the enemys lvl 4.

6 man are the best formation in my opinion. Works well with drilled.

An example for a cavalry formation I use:
616 Pts
Captain of the Empire [190 pts]
(Hand weapon, Lance, Full plate armour, Griffon, Charmed Shield)

6 Inner Circle Knights [213 pts]
(Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Full plate armour, Stubborn, Inner Circle Preceptor (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

6 Inner Circle Knights [213 pts]
(Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Full plate armour, Stubborn, Inner Circle Preceptor (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

One of the folks over at Goonhamer has done a neat write up of the problems surrounding the terrible Age of Sigmar launch. its worth a read to see how things have evolved, and also for a glimpse at just how bad a state Fantasy was in at the time.

https://www.goonhammer.com/a-history-of-miniature-violence-age-of-sigmars-launch/