Topic: Rumours and what's new to be expected of WAoS

[Baron von Klatz]

More rumors on that Tzeentch vs Duardin board game.

The name so far revealed is Warhammer quest: silver tower. You apparently fight Tzeentch horrors that continue to break down into more horrors within in an ever-changing dungeon.

I'm personally hoping this is gonna be the work of that new specialist branch. Kind of a herald for their new set-up.

[Oxycutor]

From what I get from talking to people who worked for GW, it takes about 2 years to go from idea to release.  The new Specialist Games studio was set up archer start of Jan, and it looks like Bloodbowl will be their first release, but that's in 2017.   I would expect this has been in development since they finished the development of AoS in the studio.   

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[StealthKnightSteg]

Orruks next week in WD

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/04/gw-breaking-new-orruks-wyvern-spotted.html

Looks like a really new model.. but why the bright yellow colourscheme? Makes it look closer to 40k Orks that way

[Oxycutor]

Grainy low-res photos really don't help.   But I'm not keen on that look at all.   I know a lot people already don't like Stormcasts for being Sigmarines,  and this is only going to be worse, since these look even more 40k, like Bad Moons have invaded.   

I really want to see these painted up like traditional Black Orcs, which would be more fitting.

[Baron von Klatz]

Yeah, it's definitely unanimous that the yellow was a bad idea. Once they get a proper paint job they'll look alot more menacing.

The models aren't half bad though.

[Baron von Klatz]

By the by, has anyone been following that AoS tourney with GW coverage? Really amazing looking armies in it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/686899.page

Also, MongooseMatt from Dakkadakka did a review on the Godbeasts book.

https://ttgamingdiary.wordpress.com/2016/04/08/review-godbeasts/

It looks like we were both wrong, SKS,  the Candlemen were devoted of Sigmar.

I'm hoping the next book might have the Azyrheim Lancehost in it as I loved their background in the Grand Order book.

[Syn Ace]

For me, terms like 'mob' and 'Mega Boss' definitely invoke the 40K spirit, too. In addition to the Bad Moon paint scheme.

[StealthKnightSteg]

By the by, has anyone been following that AoS tourney with GW coverage? Really amazing looking armies in it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/686899.page

Also, MongooseMatt from Dakkadakka did a review on the Godbeasts book.

https://ttgamingdiary.wordpress.com/2016/04/08/review-godbeasts/

It looks like we were both wrong, SKS,  the Candlemen were devoted of Sigmar.

I'm hoping the next book might have the Azyrheim Lancehost in it as I loved their background in the Grand Order book.

Well at the time we weren't really yet up to speed with the story behind the new Order factions so I say we are off on that one 
Book looks certainly very good! I just need to wait to get mine.. As for that all this is going done some water rapids not really able to keep up with all of this.

[Baron von Klatz]

Hope you had fun with your trip!

Great to hear your getting the book. (Though so many people have been posting pics and lore sections I feel like I already read it. )

Anyway, the Candlemen were interesting to read about. I like how the lore keep showing what the "abandoned" races had to do to survive the chaos occupation of the mortal realms. The Order Draconis was my favorite in that light as they behaved as I pictured Bretonnians would with skill and horsemanship to outmaneuver the chaos hordes.

Also, has anyone seen the Facebook thread on choosing a realm to be made into a battleboard?  I couldn't believe how fast the comments exploded on it!(hoping for light myself)

Another thing, saw this awesome Stormcast army.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207319629403756&id=1076071481&set=p.10207319629403756&source=47

Lastly, good ol' MongooseMatt posted his battle reports on the quest for Ghal Maraz.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/687188.page#8588901

[Karl Voss of Averland]

How do you think they will, fluff wise, bring Orcs/Orks/Orruks into the universe? Did some fungus survive the end of all things?

[Baron von Klatz]

The orcs were a already put into the setting with the first few books.

After Sigmar was revived by Dracothion(a powerful celestial entity that collects souls and lost magics from destroyed worlds) they began creating the city of Azyrheim that surrounds the core of the-world-that-was where all the lost souls clung to. After creating his new city, the lost souls were given flesh and the humans, dwarves, elves, orcs, gobbos and ogres of the old world were reborn.

Obviously,  ogres and orcs are volatile allies at best so Sigmar sent them forth on such missions as culling the deadly and supernatural beasts found throughout the realms. Sigmar was able to strengthen such an alliance by rescuing Gorkamorka from a creature made of sentient amber that claimed dominion over the realm of beasts. (It's pretty obvious that Gorkamorka just kept smashing at something that couldn't be smashed until it engulfed him)

So, with Gorkamorka in his pantheon of gods of order, the Mortal realms were in a golden age.

Then chaos came back, the pantheon broke up due to Nagash and Tzeentch's schemes and, of course, Gorkamorka and his hordes got bored and rampaged throughout the realms.

The orcs and ogres settled in the beast realm while the goblins focused on the realm of life.

Hope that helps, I summed it up the best I could.

Also, as a interesting thing about that recent AoS tourney, besides the winner getting free models and the best painted force getting a free monster, the three runner-up armies got showcased in the web store.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warhammer?N=102267+4294965182&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440002a-flat

Pretty cool.

[StealthKnightSteg]

Here is your monday morning fix.

But first let me give you some unrelated info, just because if I post them here people will be forced to see them: The Imperial Knight Renegade game is labelled in our mails as "While Stock Lasts" and when I did my order my rep confirmed that all versions including the English ones are limited. Which means that when available stocks will reach zero you won't be able to order them anymore in both independent stores AND physical GW stores. Whether it will stay available online is another story. (Oh and Btw the Renegade Knights rules are not in the next WD).

Ok now let's talk abut the Orruks.

DISCLAIMER: Before we go you must understand that these models are large, really large. And I mean that they appear to dwarf any other orc models. The Maw Krusha is more massive than the Magmadroth (if I remember the name right), Megaboss is huge... in parallel, this is a very very costly release, even by AoS standard. So don't be surprised by what follows. Also since there are so many references sorry but I will just give you the Euro/UK/US prices and I'll complete at a later time. Also I'm going fast so don't blame me if there are mistakes please.

EDIT- I'll amend my post with the following: I shall add that when I said they appear to dwarf other orcs models I don't mean they are Ogre sized, but that they will stand a head above regular Orcs, far more for the Megaboss. Keep in mind GW really don't make it easy to gauge precisely the size difference between models in their pics.

- Maw-Krusha (1 model) 90€ / £65 / $110
Comes with either a Megaboss or Gordrakk the Fist of Gork on top. Apparently the Krusha itself has two heads options. Few aesthetic differences overall.

- Gore-Gruntas (3 models) 67€ / £48 / $79
Huge Boar riders. They are... different? You have to see them for yourselves but I fear they will not be that well received. It appears that those are not 3 different models, but two, one of them being repeated twice. No weapons options and they really all look similar.

- Brutes (5 models) 42€ / £30 / $50
Heavier than Black Orcs, can be built with either two weapons or a two handed one.

- Megaboss 34€ / £24 / $40

- Weirdnob Shaman 28€ / £20 / $33

- Warchanter 26€ / £18.5 / $30

- Ardboys (15 models) 45€ / £32 / $53
Repackaged Black Orcs with round bases.

- Battletome Ironjawz (128p) 28€ / £20 / $33
14 Warscrolls and Battalions

- Grand Alliance Destruction (112p) 14€ / £10 / $16.5
12 factions, 61 Warscrolls, minus at least 7 for the Ironjaws that's 54 remaining for the old range, place your bets.

From dakkadakka forum:

[Baron von Klatz]

Pretty vicious looking, they're actually kind've intimidating.

The maw crusher rider is proof that black armor would've been far superior in appearances for the army than yellow.

My bets on destruction culling, all the classic goblins and gnoblers.

Sweet release, might collect their battletome as well.

[Oxycutor]

The orcs were a already put into the setting with the first few books.

After Sigmar was revived by Dracothion(a powerful celestial entity that collects souls and lost magics from destroyed worlds) they began creating the city of Azyrheim that surrounds the core of the-world-that-was where all the lost souls clung to. After creating his new city, the lost souls were given flesh and the humans, dwarves, elves, orcs, gobbos and ogres of the old world were reborn.

Obviously,  ogres and orcs are volatile allies at best so Sigmar sent them forth on such missions as culling the deadly and supernatural beasts found throughout the realms. Sigmar was able to strengthen such an alliance by rescuing Gorkamorka from a creature made of sentient amber that claimed dominion over the realm of beasts. (It's pretty obvious that Gorkamorka just kept smashing at something that couldn't be smashed until it engulfed him)

So, with Gorkamorka in his pantheon of gods of order, the Mortal realms were in a golden age.

Then chaos came back, the pantheon broke up due to Nagash and Tzeentch's schemes and, of course, Gorkamorka and his hordes got bored and rampaged throughout the realms.

The orcs and ogres settled in the beast realm while the goblins focused on the realm of life.

Hope that helps, I summed it up the best I could.

Also, as a interesting thing about that recent AoS tourney, besides the winner getting free models and the best painted force getting a free monster, the three runner-up armies got showcased in the web store.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Warhammer?N=102267+4294965182&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440002a-flat

Pretty cool.

I can't find any reference to Sigmar creating the realms, or the people that live there.   Only that he was shown the realms by Dracothian in return for forging a necklace out of the Core of Mallus, the World that Was.   It says he explored the realms and found primitive humans, and taught them civilisation.   It implies they were already there.  I can't find any reference as to how, or that their souls were carried from the old world,   I can only speculate.    It may be that the mortal realms were there at the time of the Old Slann, and as they created the Old World, they could have taken primitive Aelves, Duardin and Humans from the Mortal Realms to the World that Was.  But that's just my idea, rather than anything official

Dracothian put the World that was in the heavens, by Sigendil the High star, where Sigmar built his palace Sigmaron, and the Sigmarabulum the ring that surrounds the core of the World that was.    Azyrheim lies on the ground in the Realm of Azur, beneath the High star Sigendil

Anyway, it goes to show I might need to read stuff again.   The trouble is, so much is vague, and unexplained, it's just nonsense, so people are filling in the gaps in their own minds

[Oxycutor]

As for the Orruks...   I like the Maw-Crusha, though the skin texture just looks odd to me, something about it doesn't sit right.   As with a lot of releases lately, the terrible choice of colours, and painting style really doesn't help me like this stuff at all.   

[Finlay]

the shaman is cool.

the rest?

they got some 40k on my orks.

[Gankom]

Really don't like the yellow armor, but for the most part  I like the rest of the models. They sure do look bigger to me then current orcs.

I'm far more excited for the new dwarf stuff however, although I'm expecting they'll look very different.

[StealthKnightSteg]

Warscrolls for the above mentioned Orruks
Gordrakk (on the Maw-krusha) is brutal!

[StealthKnightSteg]

More 'bout the 'ead stompin!

[Ursa Doom]

I like the shaman. Otherwise I don't really like anything about the new Orcs.

[Finlay]

they're 40k orks without guns, and an IP friendly name.

Incredibly uninspiring.

[Baron von Klatz]

@Oxycutter,  I didn't say he created the realms, only his city in his realm. There has been mention of the people in the realms before the coming of chaos such as a few empire names and such but you're right on alot of stuff being foggy and filled in with fanon.

What I posted was mostly from official sources but a few things I took from second-hand sources like the clinging of souls to the old world. I'll ask the AoS lads at Dakkadakka to confirm on a few things. Heavens knows that MongooseMatt is a living AoS encyclopedia from the fact he purchases every book release.

@Stealthknightsteg,  awesome job on putting up those pics. That Fury of Gork book is rumored to be tied-in with the upcoming Silver Tower game. (Sidenote: sorry I haven't posted my Stormcasts yet when I told you earlier I would, no free time these days. )

Here's some other neat Orruk stuff:

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Also, Lady Atia has posted some photos of alternate color schemes:

Blue Orruk


Black Orruk


Iron Orruk


Orange Orruk(no joke--you can see this paint scheme in the preview pages for the Painting Ironjawz and it's Troll Slayer Orange!)--with bonus peg leg!


Bone Orruk

Hahaha, best fluff I ever read for greenskins!

[quote ="Grimskul"]Some of the fluff excerpts for the Ironjaw brutes are pretty good regarding how they organize. Proppa and humourous like an Orc:

"Things get more ‘precise’ when it comes to organising multiple mobs. These are gathered into fives, one for each finger a Megaboss can count on. These mob gatherings are known as fists, and just like the bunched fingers of an orruk, they are great for smashing stuff. In fact, this is often how a Megaboss will form a fist, showing a mob boss an open hand before closing the fingers and thumping them, much to the amusement of all involved. It is a brutally effective method of organisation and one that has worked for the Ironjawz for as long as any of them can remember. Not all Megabosses are created equal, however, and some have trouble getting even to five, especially if they have lost fingers or, worse, whole hands. Others are rare and talented generals, at least by orruk standards, and have discovered that if they hold both their hands next to each other, they can get to ten. Rumours tell of mysterious barefoot orruks that can count even higher, but most Ironjawz don’t believe such fantastical tales."

This is definitely AoS's best release. 40k, 9th & AoS players love the Orruks, KoW players want the Maw Crusher and some products were temporarily "sold out" when the pre-orders went up. GW's in the money now.

[Gankom]

I like pretty much every color better then yellow. Blue and black in particular look good. That little fluff blurb was also fun.

It's good to see the release went pretty well.

[Syn Ace]

I don't know what it is, but there's something about the orc armor that I don't like.

[Sharkbelly]

It's uncomfortable. And itchy.