Topic: "Optimal" points size for a game?

[Visu]

My friend that introduced me to Warhammer claims that the game is most balanced around 2,000 to 2,500 points (that's 2.000 to 2.500 points for our European friends.   ).  Below that, he claims that certain units/weapons/etc. can have a disproportionate effect on the game, and above that you can get some degenerate lists (I think that was his objection with large games, but I don't remember for sure).  What do you guys think?  What sized game do you prefer playing?
-Visu

[Zarkdon]

2000 points is the best "length" as such it is for tournaments and evening games. I however, don’t think that the game changes at any point level. I prefer bigger games because they last a long time fill up the table and look cool.

[Gyro LC]

I think the game has been balanced for 2000-2500 points and 6 turns.  Any longer than 6 turns and combat monster armies like Chaos gain the advantage as they have more time to get units into combat.  Shorter games give the advantage to shooty/magic armies since they are able to project their power across the board without armies like Chaos being able to strike back.

Also, as the points of armies decreases, shooting becomes more advantagous.  One unit of ten handgunners by themselves can beat a 250 point Chaos army (no characters) almost every time.

[deepfat]

Certain armies like TK struggle under 2k simple becuase they have to take certain characters before they can start buying troops.

2000 points is the most commonly played amount of points.

[Kaz]

yup, the game is proberly most balanced at 2000

But games above that ARE fun once in a while...

And really, anything between 2000 and 2750 (IMO) is quite viable at a tournament, jsut to have a little different tournament!

[Karl Schimmelfennig]

I don't mind 2000 points, but I prefer somewhere around 2500-2750. It allows a bit more choice and fleibility in the army, as well as being able to take more than just the bare minimum of magic items.

Above 3000 points I prefer playing with 4 people. It's more fun IMO to have 2 armies rather than one huge one on each side.

[fp]

to author - may be you'll write for russian friend to?  

2000
2500

or

2 000
2 500

will fit

[FlameKnight]

that's 2.000 to 2.500 points for our European friends.  

Err... I don't think europeans play with 2 and 2.5 points  Nor do they write 2000 and 2500 as 2.000 and 2.500 .

[Benedictus]

Europeans use . instead of , when they write thousands. It confused the heck out of a friend of mine when she went to Italy (and she brought me back an Italian WD! It was the best prezzie ever).

[Black Pete]

Weren't the point total for Grand Tournaments last year 2150 points? That seems nice, in that you can get more troops into the game, but no more characters are allowed - less Herohammerish. Why was the reduction made to 2000 points - does the extra 150 points really result in games longer enough to effect tournament timing?

[Firestarter]

Europeans use . instead of , when they write thousands. It confused the heck out of a friend of mine when she went to Italy (and she brought me back an Italian WD! It was the best prezzie ever).

Err...well the Brits use a comma and computers use a space usually.

[General Helstrom]

Err...well the Brits use a comma and computers use a space usually.

But then, Brits use inches, gallons, and stones... Go figure

The . for thousands is of British origin and has thus travelled the globe to the furthest reaches of the British Empire of old - including Australia and America. The , is standard practise for us continental Europeans. And FP just pointed out that either no marking at all, or a blank space is the Russian way of doing things. Glorious diversity!

[rufus sparkfire]

But then, Brits use inches, gallons, and stones... Go figure

And also centimetres, litres and kilograms. We use metric and imperial in a glorious mixture!

The . for thousands is of British origin and has thus travelled the globe to the furthest reaches of the British Empire of old - including Australia and America. The , is standard practise for us continental Europeans.

No it isn't. We use the comma for thousands (if we feel like it) and the full stop as a decimal point. Europeans do the opposite.

What was this thread about again?

[jewells]

Weren't the point total for Grand Tournaments last year 2150 points? That seems nice, in that you can get more troops into the game, but no more characters are allowed - less Herohammerish. Why was the reduction made to 2000 points - does the extra 150 points really result in games longer enough to effect tournament timing?

I don't know whay they went to 2000 - kinda dumb.

I REALLY like 2150 - makes characters a little less important and lets you have that "extra" rank or sheilds or some other little thing.

as far as topic - empire has a hard time between 1000  and 1750 compaired to chaos.  under 1000 and it does better (dteachments become a big threat).

game was "set up" for 2k points (no , or . when you write in geekspeek).

J

[Jivaine SkyWing]

I think that 2,500 is the best balance in a game.  Tournaments should be 2500 points per army, instead of 2,000.  I have even heard a guy who was hosting a RTT say that 2,500 armies would be better.  

Also, about the . and , and (space) within the thousands, who really cares I am sure you all know what is meant when you see 2.000 anyways.  Yes, the Europeans use . instead of , but the americans also take out a lot of letters from the english language like honour, (honor) cheque, (check), and armour (armour).  But all in all, does it really matter.

[Tanker]

We don't take out letters, y'all add them!

[queek]

we say "took", you say "toque", eh?

its all good.  Have a Molson and roll some dice.  

[revoltingpeasant]

I always play 2000pts. I haven't tried it yet but I think that the best pointage would be 2950. This would keep the character and rare slots sensible while allowing both players to field large armies with decent core choices.

Plus a step up to 3K and it would only be a matter of time before I faced two Great Shamans.

[Zakath]

In Norway, which despite rumours to the contrary, does lie in Europe, we use "," to seperate decimals. A "." is rarely used, except for in more advanced maths subjects where we use english/american books. There we get the "." to seperate the decimals :)

So 2.500 or 2,500 means 2.5
2.000 or 2,000 means 2.0

Now 2000 is 2k. If we use anything it's spaces between every 3 digits. So we could write 2 000 :)

Zak, He Who Nitpicks

[Clarkarias]

I like 2000.  If you take a lord, then you're losing out on the best part of an Empire army (atleast according to TVI), Infantry.

[Biggs Hancock]

Of course it matters! Language is a building block of national identity. Without differences in language, culture, politics and religion there would be no need for war and we would all be without a hobby (and I would be without a job).

To steal a phrase from the country that Briton has fought most in the last 1,000 years, vive la différence

(Please, take this as the joke it is intended to be and don't start a flame war over it)