Topic: "New" Karl Franz

[Hagen_von_Loewenstein]

Here he is, wielding a runefang...

[CheerfulMortician]

...
I still want Valten on horse more though...
Are there new stats for Karl Franz?

[Elector Michael]

yeah Valten on horse will be sweet
min he will have a 5+ A/S and a 5+ward
and he will whoop arse

[Albrecht von Hinkel]

Aargh! No new model!

[Jack of Spades]

Of what i have heard our Emperor have had new stats. He takes about 900 points and is very powerful...

[Elector Michael]

yeah on the web site, they have rules for KF but u need approval and in imho, his too expencive, and yes

[queek]

the web-site version is rediculous to a point far beyond absurdity.  (as is Thyrus)

the rest of the old special characters are very well done, and should be street-legal, but those two are just silly.  

jmho.

[Hagen_von_Loewenstein]

Well, what would You regard Archaon then?

I think, at least his "Incarnation of Sigmar" rule will be gone now, since we all know, WHO is the true incarnation of Sigmar now.
And he won't be wielding Ghal Maraz anymore.

[Nexus]

Darn! I wanted a new griffin! Oh well, that one is at least the best so far.

[rufus sparkfire]

It's very disapointing that the 'new' karl-Franz is just a rerelease with a weapon swap. I have never liked that model (which is why I didn't buy it the first time around), and it now looks very dated indeed. In particular, the griffon looks stylised and cartoonish (a common failing of 4th/5th edition models) compared to the more 'realistic' look of the current griffon (yes, I know griffons don't really exist but the 6th edition version looks more like a real animal).

[Son of Solland]

Nuts, I was hoping for a new model.  Ah well I guess I can save some money, all I have to do is cut off my models hammer hand and replace with a sword.

As for his stats I think the only changes would be to drop the Incarnation of Sigmar rule and replace the hammer with a Runefang.  I don’t see why his other rules and equipment (Leader of Men, the Silver Seal, etc.) would be changed. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

S.O.S

[Calvin]

if you want a more realistic looking "current griffon" you could buy the current griffon model plus just the KF model from mail order and put him on the current one.

[Clarkarias]

If you dropped the Incarnation of Sigmar and the Hammer, Karl Franz will drop way down in points, and he won't be OTT.  They could probably make his rules official at this point.  

And I do agree queek...Thyrus Gormann is way too good (D6+1 Fireball, 2D6+2 Firey Blast, D6+1 Conflageration, + to spell range).  He needs some toning down.