Topic: 2000 point Necron vs. DE and New Chaos Battle Report

[Crimsonsphinx]

Jesus, that is Cityfight level terrain there Crimson!

Thats about twice as much terrain as I would ever expect to see, or have ever seen, on a normal 40k battle field.

Thats a bit more than we normally play, but nowhere near as much as we do for city fight.  We own enough buildings to fully populate an urban board with gaps for roads!  I think half of the problem is people spent a lot of money on terrain so want to use it.

Do you have any photos of a "normal" table?  I need to beat my group into submission with what cover should be like! 

[phillyt]

Look at the terrain in the rule book.  That is a good indicator.  Another way, the way I prefer, is to follow the 25 - 33% rule.  Take all of your terrain and place it in one corner.  When you fill that quarter, you have enough terrain.

[Crimsonsphinx]

Look at the terrain in the rule book.  That is a good indicator.  Another way, the way I prefer, is to follow the 25 - 33% rule.  Take all of your terrain and place it in one corner.  When you fill that quarter, you have enough terrain.

Thats what my group does!  Its just individual trees and wall sections take up a microscopic amount of the table....

[phillyt]

I use area terrain bases for our terrain.

That said, you guys do have some nice terrain!

[Crimsonsphinx]

I use area terrain bases for our terrain.

That said, you guys do have some nice terrain!

We use it for a lot of the terrain, although ours belongs to various members of our gaming group and some are more willing than others to base their terrain, hence you can see some based woods, and other odd trees free standing. 

I think we do need to restrict it, its just I tend to fight a losing battle against people not wanting their precious marines splatted by demolisher or plasmacannon hits.  Oddly the players who have models who would benefit the most from the cover in theory, eg guard, nids, orks, usually prefer less terrain so they can actually deploy their army! 

The terrain deployment rules in 6th don't help.  In the old system we used to have a neutral 3rd party deploy the table, or have one player set the table up, but the other pick the side.  I actually think we should go back to the later.

[phillyt]

You can agree to any deployment method you want.  3rd party does work well.

[Aldaris]

Maybe one or two pieces at most more than normal where I play! I've had more crowded than that. Half that would be very barren to me!

Ditto. That's a bit more than I'm used to, but not much.

[phillyt]

So the old 25% rules isn't the rule of thumb anymore?

[Aldaris]

When we play casually around here we sometimes just set up a table in concert that "feels" good to us, or alternatively we use the method in the book of dividing the table into 6 squares and getting D3 terrain pieces for each square. We have plenty of choice at our little club, and a good number of terrain features just make the game more interesting.

[phillyt]

True but approaching half a table worth seems ridiculous.

[Crimsonsphinx]

True but approaching half a table worth seems ridiculous.

I had a proper look this morning, in total volume the terrain covers perhaps between 1-4 and 1-3 of the table.  If we had removed say two of the larger pieces it would be only around 1/4 the table.   

As I mentioned before we do tend to have odd trees and wall sections dotted about that add a huge area of cover saves, but take up very little room.  Perhaps we shouldn't be doing that.

I can say though, that I don't remember ever playing on a table with Phillys amount of terrain since I played fantasy!

[phillyt]

In fairness, the amount on the table for that picture was a little less than normal.  We took off a building to dig models out of it from the last game and didn't put it back up.  We were in a hurry!

I guess when I look at it, it seemed like more terrain than a quarter.  Disregard my complaints!

[Delthos]

Crimsonsphix's table is about what we normally play with. I always expect to see lots of terrain in a 40k game. 40k just isn't fun with too little terrain.

[Davros]

Yes we have 'lot' of Cityfight type terrain on our table as well when we game . I do not deep strike my Monolith any more after the last 'mishap' I had 

 I like to use three monliths with my warriors and destroyers . But with 6th ed rules and not 'stealing' first turn I lost two of my Monoliths in the first turn against his CSM .

The new dex for CSM is very broken IMO and I will have to up my game to compete . Best unit for me is my Doomscythe which gets the points back every game with 'supersonic' and the deathray .

As long has no flakk missles or Skyfire weapons my DS rules the skys above the table 

[Crimsonsphinx]

Yes we have 'lot' of Cityfight type terrain on our table as well when we game . I do not deep strike my Monolith any more after the last 'mishap' I had 

 I like to use three monliths with my warriors and destroyers . But with 6th ed rules and not 'stealing' first turn I lost two of my Monoliths in the first turn against his CSM .

The new dex for CSM is very broken IMO and I will have to up my game to compete . Best unit for me is my Doomscythe which gets the points back every game with 'supersonic' and the deathray .

As long has no flakk missles or Skyfire weapons my DS rules the skys above the table 

I would love to know how the new Chaos book is broken Davros?  It certainly doesn't appear to me to be as good as the Necron, Grey Knight or Guard books....

[phillyt]

Phew, no way is it broken.  Not by a long shot!

[Crimsonsphinx]

Philly, have you tried using Huron or Ahriman as Warlord in your Chaos lists? 

[phillyt]

I only used the army as a test run once.  I don't actually play Chaos Marines.

But the person I play with has not done so.  He uses generic lords or Typhus.

[Crimsonsphinx]

The reason I ask is because of their Warlord Trait.  In a list with troops able to move 12 inches a turn like jumpers, bikes etc you can get d3 first turn charges on someone with ease. 

Just wondering if you had tried or experienced it.  I suspect this is going to be one of the more competitive builds thats all!

Im looking at Typhus myself.  When I got to Warhampster world in a couple of months, so I can avoid miscasts.  He looks pretty decent for his points IMO.

[phillyt]

He is quite a tank at 230 points.  Plenty of wounds, a powerful psyker, and has a demon weapon.

[Crimsonsphinx]

He is quite a tank at 230 points.  Plenty of wounds, a powerful psyker, and has a demon weapon.

Plus he unlocks Plague marines as troops.  The Manreaper is the 2nd best Daemon weapon for man sized models too.  Nurgle spells are okay, certainly better than Tzeench, the so called God of Magic lol.

Really the only two things holding Typhus back from being auto include to me are his price tag, which is more than I typically like to pay for a HQ and the fact he doesn't have a bike which is the best place for Nurgle marked lords IMO. 

Do you know if you can put different marks with different units?  Can I have Typhus in a Khorne unit for example?  I suspect not though I cant see anything to prevent it other than being fluffy.  Of course I could be blind.  The same goes for unmarked characters, can they join squads?  If not, Huron becomes considerably less good.

[phillyt]

No, if I recall, you cannot mix marked units.

Typhus's other issue is that he is in Terminator armor, which is good at times, but in this case a bit of an issue too in that if you aren't running terminators, he is removing the ability of any unit he joins to pursue.

[Aldaris]

[quote author=PhillyT link=topic=44069.msg766041#msg76604
Do you know if you can put different marks with different units?  Can I have Typhus in a Khorne unit for example?  I suspect not though I cant see anything to prevent it other than being fluffy.  Of course I could be blind.  The same goes for unmarked characters, can they join squads?  If not, Huron becomes considerably less good.

You can mix unmarked with marked, but not different marks.

[Crimsonsphinx]

No, if I recall, you cannot mix marked units.

Typhus's other issue is that he is in Terminator armor, which is good at times, but in this case a bit of an issue too in that if you aren't running terminators, he is removing the ability of any unit he joins to pursue.

Yeah that is a limitation of terminator armour.  Thank god everyone and his dog is fearless these days eh?  Certainly seems that way to me anyhow!  Then again I can't forsee any situation I wouldn't want chaos terminators, they are very points efficient compared to other close quarters troops available to chaos.

[phillyt]

But fearless is more balanced.  It no longer means instantly passing leadership tests, though you can no longer force AS checks.