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Between the Battles & the Art ... => The Count's Tavern => Topic started by: Merrick on April 14, 2009, 06:29:16 PM
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In June we will be increasing the price of some of our metal, plastic and hobby products. The price change will take effect from the 1st of June.
Oh, for pity's sake.
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Awesome, it'll be after I buy loads of metal plaguebearers.
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Awesome, it'll be just before the new Empire comes out......... :eusa_wall: :eusa_wall: :eusa_wall:
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Plastics will go up to Ģ15 a box, they have started already anyway. Metals are already too expensive to be even considered buyable. Ģ12 for a Troll? The model hasn't changed since it was Ģ8 and I doubt it's been cast lately.
Mogsam
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Meh, I'm over it.
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You have more Warhammer than most of us combined, i'm sure a few quid won't effect you.
Mogsam
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He's American. We don't believe in "quid."
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So it that price rise in line with inflation? LMAO
Don't forget folks it's a hobby and you don't have to play ;)
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Since I am fairly loaded, threads like these amuse me only when I smoke my havannas.
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Don't forget folks it's a hobby and you don't have to play ;)
Speak for yourself, Warhammer for me is an addiction, and I NEED to play to live! :::cheers:::
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Don't forget folks it's a hobby and you don't have to play ;)
Speak for yourself, Warhammer for me is an addiction, and I NEED to play to live! :::cheers:::
You're crazy.
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What are these *warhammer miniatures* you speak of? I convert my armies from whatever I have lying around. :biggriin:
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Don't forget folks it's a hobby and you don't have to play ;)
Speak for yourself, Warhammer for me is an addiction, and I NEED to play to live! :::cheers:::
You're crazy.
You're not the first person to say that. The voices beat you to that ages ago.
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I beat my voices into submission. I'm not crazy.
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You have more Warhammer than most of us combined, i'm sure a few quid won't effect you.
Mogsam
Well, I have been collecting GW stuff for 13 years.
I belive that I am one of the few who hasn't complained about GW's prices. I understand the complaints , but also am understanding of the prices.
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The prices always bug me, but I've long since learned that bitching about something never changes it.
I gripe to myself for a while when something bothers me, then I get over it and start thinking of what to actually DO about it. In this case scrap some plans for new armies.
Hey, they raise prices they risk losing business. I'm part of that risk.
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shit.... :dry:
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I buy everything at a permanent 25-30% discount anyway, so it won't be a huge increase for me.
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It affects people like me though, and many others like me.
I am poor, mostly buy my models at full price, and have a nasty habit of totally overspending.
So many people are affected by this than the people who say they aren't affected, I think.
I'm looking at you here Shadowlord, with your Havana cigars...... :-P
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I'm not bothered myself :icon_mrgreen:
(if only to annoy Eight)
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I am VERY annoyed with this.
Whoever made this desicion shall die.
Along with the writers of the Daemons and the VCs army books.
And MrDwhitey. But not before I've kicked his ass at Warhammer. Or 40k. I'm not fussy.
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Don't forget folks it's a hobby and you don't have to play ;)
Speak for yourself, Warhammer for me is an addiction, and I NEED to play to live! :::cheers:::
You're crazy.
You're not the first person to say that. The voices beat you to that ages ago.
Listen to the man! He runs himself over for christs sake!!
As for the prices, meh. It sucks in a way, but I buy what I buy regardless of the cost. I also get everything for 25% off so there is that at least.
When I buy I set a limit on new army buys, like $100. For my normal armies I don't care since I will just get the one or two things I need and add it to the hordes of unpainted shit I already have...
:(
Phil
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And MrDwhitey. But not before I've kicked his ass at Warhammer. Or 40k. I'm not fussy.
So the Eight hate isn't about who hates you, but how much you hate me? :engel:
When I buy I set a limit on new army buys, like $100. For my normal armies I don't care since I will just get the one or two things I need and add it to the hordes of unpainted shit I already have...
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This topic got locked after 12 secs on TWF the shocking thing was they didn't just delete it :P.
So what is the price rise 25% 30%? And for what reason is it this time the price of oil, metal, fish, greed because they know enough people will still by their stuff?
Eight why on earth are you paying full price?
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And MrDwhitey. But not before I've kicked his ass at Warhammer. Or 40k. I'm not fussy.
So the Eight hate isn't about who hates you, but how much you hate me? :engel:
My hatred of you is a completely seperate matter.
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Eight whines too much.
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I shall have you fed to sharks.
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So then I will have ben stung by a stingray, jellyfish(I used to surf a lot) and then a shark? My oceanic atack collection will soon be complete.
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Fed to what sharks? We're in bloody Britain. Most boring place ever.
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Water Badgers. They have TB and can swim.
Mogsam
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GW have raised their prices so much over the last few years it's become matter of fact to me and I guess alot of people. It made me stop buying from GW and change my range of paints.
If everyone or lets just say the GW internet community said right this is the last straw and stopped buying GW figures and started using Vallejo Paints. I'd give GW a couple of months until they put their prices down.
Do you want a 25% 30% price hike? If the answer is no. Then STOP buying GW figures, and paint what you have already got.
The problem is if you raise your price 25% then you can afford to lose 15% of your customers.
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Fed to what sharks? We're in bloody Britain. Most boring place ever.
I have a shark tank in my room.
The sharks have lasers.
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I thought they were sea bass?
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Your house may have dropped down in value by 20% but hey your GW stuff will be worth more ;)
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I play bass, but have no sea bass.
The saltwater would fuck the guitar up.
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GW have raised their prices so much over the last few years it's become matter of fact to me and I guess alot of people. It made me stop buying from GW and change my range of paints.
If everyone or lets just say the GW internet community said right this is the last straw and stopped buying GW figures and started using Vallejo Paints. I'd give GW a couple of months until they put their prices down.
Do you want a 25% 30% price hike? If the answer is no. Then STOP buying GW figures, and paint what you have already got.
The problem is if you raise your price 25% then you can afford to lose 15% of your customers.
Thats not how percentages work.
Mogsam
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GW have raised their prices so much over the last few years it's become matter of fact to me and I guess alot of people. It made me stop buying from GW and change my range of paints.
If everyone or lets just say the GW internet community said right this is the last straw and stopped buying GW figures and started using Vallejo Paints. I'd give GW a couple of months until they put their prices down.
Do you want a 25% 30% price hike? If the answer is no. Then STOP buying GW figures, and paint what you have already got.
The problem is if you raise your price 25% then you can afford to lose 15% of your customers.
Thats not how percentages work.
Mogsam
Percentages are overrated. Fractions Ftw!
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I play bass, but have no sea bass.
The saltwater would fuck the guitar up.
Not very well I assume as you like guitar hero.
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OH I PLAY REAL GUITAR I HATE GUITAR HEROZ CUZ IT IS EASIER. Just to blunt that discussion.
Mogsam.
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I totally played Guitar Hero in an amusement arcade in Devon yesterday.
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Ha ha. Devon.
Did the arcade have Metal Slug?
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I didn't see.
I just saw the Guitar Hero Arcade booth and went 'OMFG WTF GUITAR HERO LULZ'.
I came second in the overall leaderboards for 'Yellow' by Coldplay on Hard.
:closed-eyes:
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Well, what makes me wonder is how people shall be able to enter the hobby at all if they boost the prizes that much. I know many parents who simply say no to the kiddos because of the prizes. And I belived Little Timmy was GW:s prime target.
Heck, raising prizes when people are getting less money. Insane...
Anyway, better make sure I can buy some stuff from my Local hobby store before the prize rise slams down. Like a box of IG or two, some heavy weapons, flaggies etc...
Sucks not being able to get more greatswords soon, though.
Gotta think this through more carefully now. It surely puts the lid on my interest in even trying to start a new army.
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Who is getting prizes? ;)
It does make things tougher for people tryingto get into the hobby and it goes back to our discussion which took place in the Captain's thread about Rackham dropping their prices. DO you increase sales and lower prices or do you make marginal price hikes and hope people keep buying.
I keep buying so it can't be all wrong!
Besides, wouldn't this make the plastics $25 rather than $22? Isn't that what most sets are in 40k already? My ork nobs were anyway.
You are still saving bunches of money over the old pewter greatswords and demons though.
Phil
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But not compared to old plastics... :icon_sad:
Oh, well... I just got to keep more focus, I guess. Push my converting skills a bit more and so on. I must say I really like to orkify the russian heavy assault gun I am working on. And my Sisters of Battle will be all infantry save one Immolator that I love due to her lovely twin linked covernegating heavy bolters.
But no vehicle, just fill up with inducted guard... sigh... And some walkers maybe.
As for Empire, well, the stank is beyond the horizon now. But I think my friend VC playing Tom would draw a sigh of relief is he heard that! And maybe Shadowwolf aswell. :icon_wink:
But I got plenty of knights so I think that inner circle unit is looming even closer. Inner Circle, greatswords, pistoliers and a cannon to support them...
Anyone got a spare Helblaster to gift me with? :icon_razz: Would be awesome to field two. :icon_mrgreen:
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What?
Most of the big game companies (Fantasy Flight, Mayfair, etc) reduce prices b/c in order to increase sales in a tougher market.
Some of the smaller mini companies reduce prices to reflect lower oil and metal commodity prices and to increase sales in a tougher market.
GW raises prices?
WTF?
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They still turned a profit as opposed to most companies. I guess they think they can keep going.
They are producing some awesome plastis and metals, so if they need to raise the price to maintain that I don't have a problem, but eventually I think they will hit a ceiling where they may need to cut to survive.
Phil
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Tbh, I hate to admit it, but I reckon this price change won't affect their profits much.
I reckon sales will continue to stay very steady.
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One of the drivers for buying GW mini's is so as to run them in GW Official events.
However, GW no longer run 'official' events in my country.
Result. I'll buy what I want now, it makes no difference. There's no incentive to be GW exclusive.
So with GW raising, and other lowering. I don't see the need to buy anything soon, new army or not.
I think I'll stick with box games and out of print cool games.
Gawd, I'm so close to selling everything off.
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Gawd, I'm so close to selling everything off.
Don't be rash! Things aren't that bad!
Of course, should you feel the need, I would be willing to look at your ork models and make a compelling offer. just saying.
Phil
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Don't go Dihenydd.
But if you do, I require a list of your models. :engel:
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Wait, didn't they just raise the prices?
I was pleased there was more plastic to make it cheaper, but this is annoying.
And it will be before the new army is released?
At least after the IG!
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You may need my address, Dihenydd.
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Since the announcement for GW canada, the number of ppl at the LGS has dropped to less than half. There is one tourney all year on the prairies for 2009, everything else cancelled or reduced. What's the point?
Yeah, I'll gather some lists this week I think. Necrons, Ogres for a start.
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Yeah, I'll make lists for Necrons and Ogres in the TP tonight. Looking for $, MoW, or Babylon 5 rules and figures.
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Ogres you say.
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Wait, didn't they just raise the prices?
Yes, but apparently some people haven't got the message and still buy the figures LOL
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But they canceled events everywhere, not just GW Canada. Additionally, I can't see where the removal of the name GW Canada would have that big of an effect on the LGS. Why can't they run their own tournaments? Is the populous that fragile?
Phil
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Ah well...
Damn. Just realized I'll have to empty my bank account before the price hike. Crap. Not all of the IG stuff will be on preorder by then. Double crap.
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But they canceled events everywhere, not just GW Canada. Additionally, I can't see where the removal of the name GW Canada would have that big of an effect on the LGS. Why can't they run their own tournaments? Is the populous that fragile?
Phil
I can't understand why you don't get this, I've explained it before. GW sponsored many tourney with prizes and resouces. In return they set the rules. Number one rule, only GW mini's can be used.
No GW sponsorship, no setting rules. LGS's don't usually run tourneys. Grey Knights do. They cancelled Grey Knights. No tourneys.
Some clubs run tourneys. GW won't give sponsorship. Players say ok, we'll play but with no sponsorship either cost doubles so you can have prizes, or you give lame trophys. Now tell me why I'm using the expensive GW models only again?
I know you are just trying to push buttons, but its getting irritating.
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OHHH! *Grabs popcorn and watches.*
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meh, I have fun playing with the guys up in Edm at the warroom. Really we should get together to have some games down here and talk about setting up a similar club in the Cgy area. I mean there used to be the red knights guys but they kind of disappeared a while ago. Fire me a line we'll throw dice.
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meh, I have fun playing with the guys up in Edm at the warroom. Really we should get together to have some games down here and talk about setting up a similar club in the Cgy area. I mean there used to be the red knights guys but they kind of disappeared a while ago. Fire me a line we'll throw dice.
Yeah Rob and Albert do a great job as Grey Knights, but its going to shite right now it seems. But time to move onto other games
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But time to move onto other games
This implies that other vendors support their games with tournaments. If they don't currently (you said LGS don't) what makes you think they will begin to?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stop you hating, more just suggesting that if a tournament wasn't there to start with, why would one start because GW's finished? I would more think that the change to GW's approach would serve more like a warning or omen for any vendor that even thinks of supporting a tournament - showing that even GW can't succeed...
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As far as I know, most tournaments in Sweden, the most well known at least, are NOT GW sponsored. I canīt see why you Canadians seems to be so extremely GW dependant?
Many of the tournaments are connected to game conventions, general Cons, where there is also roleplays, boardgames, and other miniature games played. No need for GW there.
And this meant I stoped bothering about having to buy GW only minis and felt free to start looking for what I liked and could convert into my army, not just what would be 100% legal.
This meant a big relief, and a big joy of creative fun.
Why must you have exclusive GW tourneys? Theme up with the big cons and join the crowd of gamers and fans galore!
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So new plastics because plastics are cheaper...then they put the prices up...? In the depth of a recession??
I would LOVE to see their justification on that one that doesnt basically say "because our core customers are morons who we can bend over at our pleasure"
All commodities are down across the board, oil is down to $50 a barell (It was over $150 last summer) and they put up prices??
ah well, thats them lost sales from me, I was going to buy some new plastics but not now, I will go to another company where I can get metals for the same price or cheaper and are just what I want.
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Yes, same here I belive, unless it is something I really, really want. Like the new huntsmen and greatswords.
And some Ork stuff. No one make orkz like GW.
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But time to move onto other games
This implies that other vendors support their games with tournaments. If they don't currently (you said LGS don't) what makes you think they will begin to?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stop you hating, more just suggesting that if a tournament wasn't there to start with, why would one start because GW's finished? I would more think that the change to GW's approach would serve more like a warning or omen for any vendor that even thinks of supporting a tournament - showing that even GW can't succeed...
I don't get it why do we need vendors to support games with tournaments? GW killed their own tournaments anyway by allowing them to be a complete freeforall.
As generalization people can't be trusted and it falls within our peer groups to keep everyone in line and aust these who don't follow along. So in MPOLG we have tons of patches to sew up all the glitches and other bugs and cheese that gimps (my term for WAAC players), and in warhammer we have comp scoring and restrictions. GW don't believe (admit) their game is unbalanced so they tend to be PD SC freeforalls.
I've seen plenty of FoW tournaments about none of which have anything to do with Battlefront and the same goes for warhammer. I'd be more than happy to put together gaming tournaments if I thought I could sell all the places.
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I demand a obese Picard pic for this whole thread!
Karl?
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I can't understand why you don't get this, I've explained it before. GW sponsored many tourney with prizes and resouces. In return they set the rules. Number one rule, only GW mini's can be used.
No GW sponsorship, no setting rules. LGS's don't usually run tourneys. Grey Knights do. They cancelled Grey Knights. No tourneys.
So most GW models look better than most of the 3rd party models. Not that big of an issue. Still use the ones that work for you. Sounds more like you are lashing out with spite then sense Dihenydd. As for no tourneys, that sounds like an LGS issue to me. A decent store will put one on.
Some clubs run tourneys. GW won't give sponsorship. Players say ok, we'll play but with no sponsorship either cost doubles so you can have prizes, or you give lame trophys. Now tell me why I'm using the expensive GW models only again?
So don't use ONLY GW models. As for prizes and tropheys, when did you get all WAAC? If you are saying people won't play because of the prizes being gone, who buys and paints a $400+ army for the chance to win $50 in prizes every few weeks?
I know you are just trying to push buttons, but its getting irritating.
When have I ever pushed your buttons intentionally? I have never discussed anything with you on the boards in any manner where I didn't show you the utmost respect.
Phil
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When have I ever pushed your buttons intentionally?
I suspect he might have mistaken you for me (may be the beard).
Except I don't try to push buttons, I push them flat.
The only thing I have seen growing on this site of late is GW hate and I am beginning to loose interest.
Tomorrow this whole place will be crawling with TWF Parkas.
Bye!
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Wow, this went odd.
Bye!
Pussy. :engel:
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When have I ever pushed your buttons intentionally?
I suspect he might have mistaken you for me (may be the beard).
Except I don't try to push buttons, I push them flat.
The only thing I have seen growing on this site of late is GW hate and I am beginning to loose interest.
Tomorrow this whole place will be crawling with TWF Parkas.
Bye!
I am kinda sick of the hating aswell, but then again I can afford GW stuff most of the time(just blew a buch of cash in Denver though, so a bit behind right now) so this doesn't affect me as much as others.
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I'm not keen on a price increase... I only get to buy new stuff 4-5 times a year, but I usually dream about playing Warhammer at night (yes, I'm that addicted) so I doubt I'll quit buying stuff, but I won't be able to buy as much.
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Gaaa I think you might misunderstand. I don't hate GW. I've been playing since '92. I wouldn't do that if I hated GW.
GW always set themselves as a higher standard here. That standard included all these extras that set them apart from just another mini company. Now they have cut away the extras and demand the same loyalty. I'm not interested in that, but possibly. My reward if I keep in the hobby? Another price increase.
I don't hate GW, but I suspect GW doesn't respect me.
And I don't hate you lot. (Although GrillyP certainly is worth some bad vibes)
I don't have oodles of extra cash to keep throwing into a game system. I have to budget for my purchases, often for weeks. So my dilemma always was "Hmmm these are nice and cheap, and these are nice but expensive. Cheap means I can field more, Expensive means I can play someone other than my 3 friends who play. Cheap look good. Expensive lets me play in tourneys. I could buy the cheap, but then I'll never have enough $$ available to play in the larger community. I guess I'll bite the bullet and buy the expensive." I've been doing that for 10 years while putting a wife through college, and all the other expenses of a new family. The larger community is no longer a factor, why play GW, expecially as I know its not going to get better, just ever increasing cost.
I like GW game systems, but I just want to spend my $$ now on games I can play with my friends if there's no larger community worth considering about any more. So playing a soon-to-be-discontinued game like Babylon 5 is no different now from playing Warhammer.
And I'm not saying anyone should quit, or GW is the Evil Empire. I do think they are becoming more and more distant from the roots of the game with every decision, but that's just me.
And hey, if you guys can afford this game, more power to you.
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The only thing I have seen growing on this site of late is GW hate and I am beginning to loose interest.
Bye!
But Who will I have to call me names and state facts as they know them without any rules to back them up now :'(
I am kinda sick of the hating aswell, but then again I can afford GW stuff most of the time(just blew a buch of cash in Denver though, so a bit behind right now) so this doesn't affect me as much as others.
I find it strange that people don't care about the price rise 25 30% is a HUGE rise. I know most of the same people would lay a hen if petrol went up buy a fraction of that without good reason and then still you'd moan about it.
People like moaning about things. And if an extra 25% cost isn't something to moan about whether you can afford it or not it's still a valid issue.
People should stop spitting out their dummies when they read something they disagree with and not attack people with names and insults It's bloody childish. If you don't want to hear what other people want to say create your own forum in a book and call it a diary of things I'm absolutely correct about and no one dare disagree with me... Good!!!
Will this price rise do any good for the hobby?
Will we see new shinny tables in GW stores or new even better run GW tournaments?
Will it attract more players or will more players finally have enough and quit?
If all we talk about is yay how great something is and nothing is wrong when there clearly is something wrong then what does that achieve? Well it means that nothing gets corrected and in many cases more of the same until you hear a loud snap.
The only thing I have seen growing on this site of late is GW hate and I am beginning to loose interest.
Tomorrow this whole place will be crawling with TWF Parkas.
Bye!
Oh no Mr Blah blah and his hit and run insults is leaving oh how his inane comments will be missed.
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But Who will I have to call me names and state facts as they know them without any rules to back them up now :'(
Because of the abscense of nooky in your life, your mirror.
One day you will look up on me and ask "want extra shine on those sir?".
And MrD, it was never quitting.
It was all about wasting time here when I can waste time painting and actually enjoy the game.
That and reading my WDs while inhaling the finest Havanna ever made.
I love this as it fits myself right now -> Hi-yo Silver, away! :icon_lol:
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The only thing I have seen growing on this site of late is GW hate and I am beginning to loose interest.
Bye!
But Who will I have to call me names and state facts as they know them without any rules to back them up now :'(
Ummm... you continue to make yourself look the part of the fool. YOu misquoted me, then responded a second time on the bottom of the post to the same quote.
You are not even in my class son.
Phil
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The only thing I have seen growing on this site of late is GW hate and I am beginning to loose interest.
Bye!
But Who will I have to call me names and state facts as they know them without any rules to back them up now :'(
Ummm... you continue to make yourself look the part of the fool. YOu misquoted me, then responded a second time on the bottom of the post to the same quote.
You are not even in my class son.
Phil
You seem to conveniently forget that I'm dyslexic and often make mistakes with words. I saw the mistake and edited out the mistakes I found.
Do you really have anything to say but call people names phil? Even with my disability I still manage to construct arguments and all you can do is name call. Your right I'm not in your class I left school and name calling years ago and went into further education and your still in the play ground.
edit Notice how some people ignore the content and just attack with meaningless crap LMAO
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Dude....Parka and Phil have some serious shit going down.
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No not really. He will mellow with time.
I have unfortunately curddled.
As for the dyslexia, you do very well. I have Tourettes, so you can imagine me slinging profanity at my cat if it makes you feel better about our clever little exchanges.
And I didn't actually read the rest of your quote because unlike in most threads I wasn't all that interested in what else you had to say. But in all honesty, I often respond constructively to your threads when you have something thoughtful to say.
Phil
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I believe you miss-quoted him as it was Shadowlord who said that. Which makes your hostile rant rather hillarious as you're yelling at someone random. Especially since you've quote Philly and Shadowlord as saying the exact same sentence. Which is awefully cunning.
The only thing I have seen growing on this site of late is GW hate and I am beginning to loose interest.
Bye!
The only thing I have seen growing on this site of late is GW hate and I am beginning to loose interest.
Tomorrow this whole place will be crawling with TWF Parkas.
Bye!
Mogsam
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@Parka
Pot, meet kettle! :dry:
Are you aware of the fact that what you do is simply a mirror of what you accuse Shadowlord of doing? And Shadowlord may be pretty serious, but at the same time, he is applying some humour to the debate. He enjoys his WD and his havanna. Good for him, he got a solid wage. But I doubt he is that loaded as some here seem to belive. It is also about priorities in life!
GW raises prices, yes, that hurts. Will it hurt them, time will tell. But one thing is for sure and that is that you can hate and spit gall as much as you like, they will not pay heed unless they see it as affecting their sales OR their brand. All this about GW getting away from the roots and such. Well, face it, they are on the stock exchange. They need to preform to keep their investors and owners happy and secure. They have to be efficient.
Is raising prices good? Maybe not, but what is this talk about 25-30%? If they do that, it will be pretty harsh, but at the same time, it seems as if this not an overall rise, but on some lines of product.
Also, I have no idea how this will affect Sweden, so I canīt really say for sure how it will hurt me. In the end, like I said, I might not buy as much, but I will not stop buying, just become more strategical. As for having to budget things weeks ahead, Dihennyd, well, I am not talking week, I might have to talk about months! And since my income is rather uneven, due to the nature of writer work and not knowing how much I will get on that line, or if I will have to relly on the meager unemployment support (which honestly should not be demanded to cover such extravagant hobbies like warhammer just like that) I might simply have to bide my time, and act when I can.
Still, I must say I have never been as happy with the hobby as I am today. It came after droping all this scare about maybe ever draging my arse to a tournament and therefore having to worry about everything being correct, to adopt a basement gamer thinking. What do I have to play against? Well, I can count upon three players, my son, Tom and Shadowwolf. Would it be fun to meet other opponents, yes, and it will surely happen, but it is nothing that really bothers me today, having few regular opponents.
As long as I have fun while doing it, as fun as I have while modelling and painting, I will be happy.
If GW gets too expensive, well, they might loose me until they lower prices, but I am sure not going to hate them like I could do earlier. Well, get a bit pissed and annoyed, but that is just healthy and fun! :icon_razz:
We can say what we like about GW:s buisness metods so far, but they are not illegal, and they work! And they sure give quality.
It is a shame I canīt afford it as much as I would like.
But I really, really want to buy a good blunted medieval sword, one or two helmets, hell, a nice rivetted chainmail haubergeon and so and so... But I just can afford it at the moment! I really would have to save and save money for that! Shall I go around hating all the blacksmiths and factories producing these for the stuff costing so much? Will it lower the prices? No!
The stuff costs that much! Heck, in most cases it is really worth that much so why should I go about complaining about rising prices when it is simply the case that it is too big for my wallet to handle at the moment? Where is the freaking logic in that?
It is assumed that GW only charges these high prices because they can, and that in reality it ainīt worth that much at all! I could be that this is the case, but it can also be that GW MUST raise the price for good reasons. But no, GW canīt have a good reason for raising prices, only evil megacrops raise prices hurting my hobby... So GW must be evil!
But it is about buisness. Buisness. GW is acting on the global stock market. They HAVE to show results! You canīt have both the down to the roots, buddy hobbyist give you a good price just for you thing AND expect the company to survive in a global market.
What they are doing lately is trying to give something to everyone. They give the veterans and big collectors Apocalypse and Legendary battles. They supply new scenarios (like the raiding ones) to hobbyists that mostly play with their mates but might not have the stuff for legendary battles. Awesome! Just my stuff, really! And did Gav write anywhere in those articles for example he would come and shoot you if you fielded anything but GW models? No he did not.
GW are aware of those smaller companies, and they know they will not be able to compete with them, pricewise when it comes to casual gamers who does not attend their controlled tournaments. GW makes stuff to a much higher standard than say Black tree. So that will of course cost. And just because a model happen to be of metal does not make it better. I think Blacktrees stuff and others, is ok and nice. Heck, they are really usable. But they donīt match GW:s standards.
Hey, donīt let them get at you, Shadowlord. And you too, Phil :::cheers:::
And talking about syndromes. I got Asperger and ADHD. Just to remind you all. :icon_wink:
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Na phil mostly you name call when you run out of words which seems to happen more often than not.
And what I had to say about you was the least thoughtful thing I wrote in the post so it seems like you just underminded yourself there.
Some what like GW and their price hikes one too many and they will fall.
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Can we please get passed the 'who called who what' game?
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I just had to watch The Apprentice, I've had enough for one week.
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Nice post Mathi, you should consider something in a writing field some day..... :icon_smile:
One thing I find interesting is the different companies (not just mini's, but games and other industries) approach to the new market reality. GW has been in a slide for about 6 years now according to their published figures. Their response has been manifold, including store closures, layoffs, etc. which is prudent and most companies do the same. GW has been adopting this approach along with some interesting inventory shuffling strategies.
What I find interesting however are those whose response is to cut back on service and increase price to make up the shortfall. Only the 300lb gorilla in that particular market can do so, and only so it can cover on the short. The nimble or farsighted increase service, increase marketing and try to lower price or create attractive pricing options.
I work for the 300lb gorilla in my industry. But we go against the grain. According the lastest figures, the company I work for did 15x the revenue and 20x the profit based on the published numbers vs GW. We hold a 60% market share worldwide. We have contracts in hand to anticipate a 25% growth minimum next year. So we're set, right? We should now hunker down and just ride the storm safely and take no risks. No, we saw this market as a time to get even more aggressive. We've LOWERED prices across the board. We created new financing options. We TRIPLED our service dept and DOUBLED our Marketing teams. We are daily hiring the best and brightest of the other companies' layoffs. If you are concerned about your dollar we committed to giving you even more value for less $. Result? I shudder to consider our growth even based on the conservative projections. What happens when things get 'good' again? And no, we're not in the auto industry.
When I look around at other gaming companies, I see a few who are taking this track. Its risky, but man the payoff could be huge.
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Some good points Mathi
But blacksmithing is almost a dead art and not a mass produced product so that wasn't a great comparison.
As long as I have fun while doing it, as fun as I have while modelling and painting, I will be happy.
I agree and most of us probably have enough figures so never to need to buy one again. I think miniature games are more like a compulsive collecting hobby than a gaming hobby for many people if not most.
GW are aware of those smaller companies, and they know they will not be able to compete with them, pricewise when it comes to casual gamers who does not attend their controlled tournaments.
That's a monopoly isn't it? So are you saying that GW can charge what the hell they like cause no one can compete with them
But they donīt match GW:s standards
On a fantasy level I think your correct, but Sci fI has warmachine and hoards.
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I believe you miss-quoted him as it was Shadowlord who said that. Which makes your hostile rant rather hillarious as you're yelling at someone random. Especially since you've quote Philly and Shadowlord as saying the exact same sentence. Which is awefully cunning.
Err two fish one barrel :P
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Edit: Posted in the wrong thread! I have nothing to add, other than my charismatic presence and dashing good looks.
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Thank you Dihenydd. I am after all doing some writing on a professional basis. Not as much as I would like, but still. Heck, I write saletext to book for example... :icon_razz:
But blacksmithing a dead art? Hardly, Parka, hardly. It is NOT a dead art anymore, I can assure you of that. Not by far.
And there is a chinese company that massproduces blades of reasonable quality so there is that aspect aswell.
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Blacksmithing is dead in the same way Latin is. It will remain something for the specially interested, like film productions and LARPers.
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Thank you Dihenydd. I am after all doing some writing on a professional basis. Not as much as I would like, but still. Heck, I write saletext to book for example... :icon_razz:
But blacksmithing a dead art? Hardly, Parka, hardly. It is NOT a dead art anymore, I can assure you of that. Not by far.
And there is a chinese company that massproduces blades of reasonable quality so there is that aspect aswell.
Blacksmithing is alive and well here in Canada. Plenty of work availble. There's fully Journeyman programs etc. I do know one guy and I used to bug him about him working in a field 200 years behind mine. Then he showed me a paystub. Then he told me about the $ he makes under the table on evenings and w'ends. Stupid Git.
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Thank you Dihenydd. I am after all doing some writing on a professional basis. Not as much as I would like, but still. Heck, I write saletext to book for example... :icon_razz:
But blacksmithing a dead art? Hardly, Parka, hardly. It is NOT a dead art anymore, I can assure you of that. Not by far.
And there is a chinese company that massproduces blades of reasonable quality so there is that aspect aswell.
I worked as a blacksmiths assistant or KunstSchmied in Germany and what we made wasn't mass produced in any shape or form, and a friend of mine is a blacksmith here in London and she makes wonderful art work with her skills.
But I guess with that many million people anything the chinese are going make is going to be mass produced.
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On a fantasy level I think your correct, but Sci fI has warmachine and hoards.
Mmmmmm. I like Warmachine and Hordes.
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LOL I've thought that to, very nice range.
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Na phil mostly you name call when you run out of words which seems to happen more often than not.
I only move to names when it is obvious that the conversation has finished and nothing more of worth is coming out of the person I am conversing with. It doesn't happen often. It has happened with you much more often.
And what I had to say about you was the least thoughtful thing I wrote in the post so it seems like you just underminded yourself there.
Not really, looking back it was nothing which hadn't already been said or referrenced by others.
Phil
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:ph34r:
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No not really. He will mellow with time.
I have unfortunately curddled.
As for the dyslexia, you do very well. I have Tourettes, so you can imagine me slinging profanity at my cat if it makes you feel better about our clever little exchanges.
And I didn't actually read the rest of your quote because unlike in most threads I wasn't all that interested in what else you had to say. But in all honesty, I often respond constructively to your threads when you have something thoughtful to say.
Phil
Wait, Phil has Tourettes?
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I'll explain it to you later. Don't worry Eight.
Mogsam
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I didn't think Tourettes would manifest itself particularly much on the internet. :icon_confused:
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It wouldn't. Which is why it was a joke.
Mogsam
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I thought he had courgettes dam my dyslexia :icon_mrgreen:
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Theres a your mum joke there.
Mogsam
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That's what she said.
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Myeh, I don't need explaining, it's just that I didn't know.
Of course, you don't get the outbursts and stuff on the internet.
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I don't actually have the verbal version (only happens with about 5 or 10%). It is the most well known version because it is marginally humorous.
Phil
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Is it wrong to push someone with tourettes down the stairs, film it, and call it comedy? :?
I'm pretty sure I've actually seen that done on a comedy show.
Edit: And I think it happened on one of the Big Brothers.
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There is a website called Tourettes Guy or something. It is funny, but not because he affects Tourettic manerisms. It would be funnier if it was just "crazy neckbrace guy" since there is little mining of the Tourettes joke theme.
Phil
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This thread is awesome, my post count has actually gone up. You got ticks Phil? Tourrettes must actually suck. Some people get really awkward problems.
Mogsam
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My god, Mogsam has broken the 300 post mark. :-o
And I've broken the 1250, and hurtling towards 1300. :-P
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I'm beating you senseless with my post count. :icon_mrgreen:
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Certainly, though it can take time for people to notice them (unless of course they know I have Tourettes, in which case it is pretty obvious).
Obi will be able to chronicle them for you :D
Phil
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I've only been here like 7 months, what do you expect.
I'd actually quite like to meet someone with Tourettes without knowing they had it, the years of psychology interviews i've done have made me quite good at noticing regular ones anyway.(Lieing etc) I'm curious as to just how obvious they are.
Mogsam
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I have some mad twitches.
My favourite is when I violently jerk my elbow behind me, I have to warn people not to stand close behind me.
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I'm beating you senseless with my post count. :icon_mrgreen:
It's not the size of your post count, it's how you use it.......
(http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii355/Eight-Warhammer/TehAwesome2.jpg)
If this turns into a Garfield comic, I know who is to blame.
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Right, I will be forced to beat you now. Where was it you lived?
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Clevedon. :-P
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Expect visitors during the night.
Violent ones.
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An adress would help you.
:-)
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I'll draw you a map.
Mogsam
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I'll come pick you up!
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I'll come pick you up!
You don't know who or where I am. :biggriin:
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I'd actually quite like to meet someone with Tourettes without knowing they had it, the years of psychology interviews i've done have made me quite good at noticing regular ones anyway.(Lieing etc) I'm curious as to just how obvious they are.
Oh any concerted observation will turn them up very rapidly. They are different for everyone, but mine are quite distinct. I blink my eyes differently at times, I feel the need to crack my neck, and most obviously and infuriatingly, I click my teeth together. At times it can be quite hard, enough so that it hurts.
It is a rather irritating condition, but the weirdest thing is when I try not to do them. It is like holding your breath, the longer you do it the harder you breath when you finally allow yourself to do so. The ticks are the same. There is alot of obsesive compulsiveness to it as well.
Phil
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Patsy, so often do you make my day :biggriin:
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Hey Philly, I now about that "holding your breath" feeling. As an Aspie/ADHD, I got some ticks aswell. Some are hidden beneath general ADHD restlessness, but there are some. Like the itching feeling that makes me wanna pull out some hair from my beard, that I always prefer to sit in lotus/tailor stance. I have a hard time sitting still with both feets on the floor, it is so VERY uncomfortable.
I canīt help fiddling with my pockets, opening and closing zippos, button or unbutton (thank God that it is pockets we are talking about and not other stuff). Also, I have a certain pose I tend to get into that just gives my wife the creeps!
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Aspie? Is that like slang for Aspergers?
....wait a minute, that Mathi post was only 2 paragraphs long!
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So, are they putting all the Ģ12 boxes up to Ģ15 then?
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I suppose. I know it'll be the end of my infantry purchases, not that I need any more anyway.
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Well... you know it will not stop me. The fact is that while core infantry gets a tad more expensive, the elite infantry will still be cheaper.
See this as a test of your prioritying skills! Honestly, how many are not buying stuff just cause it looks cool and because something inside you just wanna make it. I have done it, on many occasions, despite with my economy I should know better!
However, that voice that makes you do those stupid buys you really will not make use of afterwards is the voice of... addiction! Warhammer may not give you the kind of addiction that can be measures physically (unless youīre hell bent on inhaling spraypaint and glue fumes) but mind you, your economy, or the economy of your parents, takes the hit.
This is a hobby. For as much as we all like to do this, it is a hobby. GW needs to earn bucks, so they might have to raise prices. Well, what can we do but adapt, stop buying and such.
Warhammer is not some human right. But GW have the right to put what pricetag they want on their products. It was expensive before, and will be still. However, how about starting to plan your purchases? Donīt go impulse on all you see if you cannot afford it.
GW even suggest a step-by-step approach to collecting, enlarging your army in blocks. However, the power gamers and tournamenters always discourage this approach, as they discourage any kind of long term theming of an army, because it does not give you the ultimate army for each point level bla, bla...
They are correct. But then, is this game even meant to be played that way, primarily? No, no, and no... Forget that damn tournament winning idea nonsense to begin win! Collect what you find nice, and learn to play with that! In time, you will have a large enough army. But if your idea of Warhammer is to make a tournament winning army first and foremost, I think this hobby is not for you.
Enjoy the adventure, savour the journey! I am much happier today than when I constantly whined and felt pained about how my longtime collected army, when it was finally finished, was outdated compared to the top armies.
But then I stoped worrying and started to love the Empire for itīs own sake, not because of awesome badass War altars or Steamtanks.
Now, when I get home, I will lay down the law about what we can do to get more out of our money.
Iīll be back!
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Then again, that announcement on the GW site is not very specific. Maybe they are just raising the prices on the things no one buys anyway, such as their paintbrushes.
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Dr. Mathi or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Empire
Then again, that announcement on the GW site is not very specific. Maybe they are just raising the prices on the things no one buys anyway, such as their paintbrushes.
I buy those. :icon_mrgreen:
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I suppose some people must. But you can get better ones for less money from an art shop.
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I don't trust my nearest art shop.
They are tricksy.
The only one I liked closed down a few years ago.
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Art shops are awesome.
I only found this out in September, when I started my art course though. :-P
Very useful stuff in there.
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Art? Ho ho.
I used to do Art. The teacher had a list of pupils he didn't like stapled to his wall.
The rest of us, and the other teachers, called it the Register :-P
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I have Tourettes, so you can imagine me slinging profanity at my cat if it makes you feel better about our clever little exchanges.
Is it odd that I figured Philly was doing this to his cat before I knew he had Tourette's? Random profanity at anything in range seemed like a perfectly plausible part of the PhillyT household.
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Art shops. You know, they got tons of stuff that is very useful to the modelling hobbyist. Wanna build your own houses and need material for wall. The art shops got it all. Now, they may not have plasticard, but hard special cardboard and foamboard galore.
Clay of different types, colour to paint it with, sand... etc...
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Art? Ho ho.
I used to do Art. The teacher had a list of pupils he didn't like stapled to his wall.
The rest of us, and the other teachers, called it the Register :-P
My art tutor just tries to make us do what she likes, rather than what we like.
:closed-eyes:
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Where did she touch you Eight? Show us on the doll.
:icon_mrgreen:
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I totally walked into that.
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I suppose some people must. But you can get better ones for less money from an art shop.
Art shops can way very expensive, I like hobbycraft myself or goldsmith student art shop hehe looking like a student does have it's perks cause goldsmiths shop is sooo bloody cheap as is their bar :)
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Where did she touch you Eight? Show us on the doll.
Okay, thats twice I laughed hard at a Whitey joke.
And this one is sigworthy.
Phil
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Well, at least I finally made it into PhillyT's sig.
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Hobbycraft is scary. I don't like to get that close to that much decoupage.
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In it's defence, rufus, you don't really like anything. :-P
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Well, at least I finally made it into PhillyT's sig.
Yeah, I was there for a month. Its a rather scary place, you don't know where he's going to take you next.....
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Where did she touch you Eight? Show us on the doll.
:icon_mrgreen:
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: (yeah... 4 seems like enough)
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Well, Rufus hates so many things his hatred is more or less of no consequence! :icon_razz:
Hobbycraft is the shit for the true tinkerer!
By the way, BoLS has a fine article on that. Go there!
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/04/hobby-starters-found-items-101.html
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They must not have humor on your planet.
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We do. It is just that Asperger humour is superior to standard humour. :closed-eyes:
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It seems more like someone laughing to themselves while sitting in a corner and facing the wall, but so long as you are happy...
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We do. It is just that Asperger humour is superior to standard humour. :closed-eyes:
Amen! :::cheers:::
:-P
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I buy from places online that give like 15% to 30% off (Scifi Genre and Maelstrom)...so I don't mind. It'll be like I'm paying the proper prices :biggriin:
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Where did she touch you Eight? Show us on the doll.
:icon_mrgreen:
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: (yeah... 4 seems like enough)
this is by far the best warhammer forum, even despite the vicious tongue lashing I got for my overenthusiastic use of punctuation on a controversial topic :icon_lol: . ( big words FTW)
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Cheers Eight! :::cheers:::
When I can make a fire wizard, that character will be you! :icon_wink: A young and eager fire wizard apprentice that has a tendensy to torch both this and!
By the way, Aspie is slang for a person having asperger.
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::heretic:: :::cheers::: ::heretic::
Aye, I thought so.
I have asperger's too, apparentley, but I've never seen/heard that one before!