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Between the Battles & the Art ... => The Count's Tavern => Topic started by: valmir on March 07, 2006, 11:12:12 AM
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Unless anybody else is desperate to do it, I would love to GM the next W-E Diplomacy game.
If you wish to play, please post your email in this thread.
If this is your first game of Diplomacy, the rules can be found here (http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf).
Some useful strategy articles can be found on this (http://www.diplomacy-archive.com) website.
Looking forward to reading everyone's press!
:twisted:
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I can afford one more game, now that Ulric has ended... But I'm still playing in Sigmar and Morr, so I understand if I don't get a spot.
My e-mail is "francisheeb(at)msn(dot)com".
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Me! ME! MEEEE!
Pick me!
Please, Please, Please, Please...
I think I may have indicated that I have a wish to join the game.
Not playing in any, but I am mastering morr.
I am hippo(underscore)gangsta(at)btinternet(dot)com.
Actually, don't you have mine from the problems in Morr?
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DEfinatly would like to play but am involved in sigmar.
sigsfried[at]gmail[dot]com
Wonder if I'll be Austria.
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Edit
Oops. Double post. Sorry
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@Guvnor: Yes, I do have yours. In fact, I have access to everybody's emaiils that has been involved in any of the W-E games (we all do - just send a 'list' command). But if anybody 'new' wants to sign up, then the email would be useful.
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After a while you won't be able to keep up, some people send a message to everyone, once a day!
This does cut down a bit after the first moves, but just before and after moves, everyone goes crazy!
And I want something other than England and italy! I got generated randomly as england in 4 games. Not as bad as sigsfrieds 7 or so austria's but still annoying.
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Alright, so thus far, we have:
Sigsfried
Guvnor
Cisse
Lizard King
(RaginKileak)
We need four more. Now that Morr is getting into 1902, perhaps people will be more willing to try starting anew? Kaiser Etharion?
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I'm also trying to recruit people for a different game. Ideally people who haven't played before. Anyone interested?
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I'm also trying to recruit people for a different game. Ideally people who haven't played before. Anyone interested?
Sig, you need to start your own thread. I would personally call what you have just attempted to be a 'Thread Hijack' although I dont mean it maliciously.
I just think its not cool to potentiallt steal Valmir's potential megalomaniacs!
Matt
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On the other hand players who were already involved in say this game may be intrested or people may think there are two threads recuriting for a diplomacy game but think there is only likly to be one game. As I only needed 1 or 2 players rather than 7 or so this seemed reasonable. Apolgies though to anyone annoyed by my actions.
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I'm fine with it. I think he's probably more likely to steal potential Taal players by starting his own thread. This way, at least they're all in the same place.
Given that 'irene' will be winding up soon (that's right, Sigsfried, I'll pry you out of Iberia soon... sooner than you think! :twisted:), I can take on one more game if you can't find anyone that's never played before.
And, Raging, how come you haven't signed up for either of these games?
endpress
(Damn... gotta get out of that habit...)
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I guess I wouldnt mind signing up for another one mate.
I'm really enjoying Morr.
The problem is I only have my hotmail account, and my work email account and I really cannot manage 2 games coming into my hotmail - I am still not 100% used to the system with just the 1 game happening.
I am tempted to sign up with my work email... but... you know how that sort of thing can end up.
If you struggle for players mate, let me know and I will join your game. I can work something out.
Matt
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Something to consider:
I know valmir and sigsfried and myself are all signed up to USOS, so by using USOS you can easily tell the difference between games.
It only really gets confusing when you have two games, same country, same judge.
Luckily nobody is talking to me in tokyo...
Would that solve your problem matt?
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Erm,
I dont know... If I could set up mail rules with Hotmail (which AFAIK I cannot) then I could set a rule for each judge. Simple.
Now, I PROBABLY can get away with playing via my work account. The problem will be if somehow mail cannot be received by my work account - because it thinks the judge is spam or whatever, then I guess that will cause a delay for the other players whilst we either resolve it, or someone else takes over.
I'll probably play anyway, if you need me. I always find a way round these things!
Matt
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If you want a Gmail account to use for diplomacy I can give you an invite.
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Hmmm...
Have we got a way of finding four more people?
I can send out a broadcast in morr (as I know some people don't often check the site) and since Valmir is still in sigmar he can do the same, no?
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I'm in if you still need people. I wont drop out partway through this time eitehr.
-Pete
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oh yeah....thewickerman239(at) yahoo (dot) com
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So that makes me, sigsfried, cisse and lizardking. And possibly raging, four or five. Only 2 more!
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Does anyone have any information on how to master a game? I'm going to be running one soon but don't know how.
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Look on the Diplomacy Judge Users Guide.
http://www.njudge.org/docs/manual-all.htm
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Thanks,
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I have no idea how this game works, but if you still need somebody sign me up.
g.s.malette (at) hotmail (dot) com
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Gutsy,
If you want the rules for Diplomacy, look here (http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf).
More info can be found here (http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/home.htm).
To know how to actually play the game, look at the newbie guide (http://www.warhammer-empire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5632) that has been around here for some time.
It could also be usefull to read the post-game comments on previoud Warhammer-Empire Diplomacy games, found in the Count's Tavern forum.
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Well it looks pretty straightforward, so I'd definitely love to join in.
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Okay, so the list, as it stands now, is:
Guvnor
Sigsfried
Cisse
Lizardking
Gutsy
RagingKileak
Only one more is needed. Huzzah!
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Huzzah indeed!
Who does everyone want to be?
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Germany, Russia or France. I like a lot of options, and "corner countries" are not exactly my style.
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UK would be my first choice, followed by Turkey.
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Gutsy, if you haven't already, you may want to go ahead and sign up on the DEDO judge. This can be done here (http://www.diplom.org/Email/registration.html).
Otherwise, perhaps we should go with the USOS Judge? It seems to be faster, and it doesn't screw around with my email like DEDO does.
Okay, I've convinced myself.
Anybody not already signed up on USOS, please do so (same page as listed above).
Gutsy, you may wish to sign up for DEDO as well, so that you can observe the games currently in progress (sigmar and morr). Once you have signed up, you can become an observer simply by sending an email to the judge saying:
signon osigmar [password]
signoff
if you wanted to observe 'sigmar';
or
signon omorr [password]
signoff
if you wanted to observe 'morr'.
(Obviously, the password is not supposed to be in brackets).
Being an observer means that you receive all results and broadcasts in the game. You are also able to send press and broadcasts of your own, but comments or suggestions of a tactical nature are frowned upon.
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Well, I second that - USOS works both faster and more reliable for me too.
We need one more player, right? Let's hope we can start soon...
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I'm hoping that Etharion will join, given that he appears to be winding down his involvement in the current two W-E games ;).
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Me as well for USOS, much more efficient- and I can tell it apart from morr.
Gutsy: In this game it is england- The UK doesn't exist yet... :wink:
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I was not aware of that. Well then, my first choice would be England then.
EDIT: I registered for the USOS judge, and recieved an email from usos (at) onesite (dot) org. Is this the place I send messages to?
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Yes.
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Etharion is deliberately winding down his presence in Sigmar, as I'm just too busy too keep up with it, but I have no intention of giving up Morr just yet.
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Etharion is deliberately winding down his presence in Sigmar.
Yeah, of course. It's totally apparent from the moves... :-D
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Good! I don't want you giving up either.
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I don't know why I'm doing this, but I've always wanted to play... sigh. Time...
I bought diplomacy 15 years ago, could never find players. It has layers of dust on it.
Yeah, ok, I'll play if you still need a spot. How long does a game last?
Rik
calgaryrik (at) yahoo (dot) ca
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Ok, I'm registered.
As for countries, doesn't matter much to me. I know from reading, there's some better than others. For this game however, I can go whereever.
Rik
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hmmm....I still need to register...A link anyone?
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Lizardking, if you want to register to USOS, Valmir gave the link a couple of posts ago.
Does this mean we have 7 players? Does this mean we can start? :-D
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Huzzah! We can start!
I shall form the game and send you all an email with the relevant details.
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For those who don't know about it already, may I suggest Diptool?
This is a program which will create maps, manage orders, collect/write press, etc. It can pretty much do anything, but you can engage with it as much as you choose to (for example, I still do all of my press through my email client, rather than in DipTool itself). Anyway, a great program, if you choose to utilise it.
http://www.hagenah.de/diptool
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As for countries, doesn't matter much to me. I know from reading, there's some better than others.
Really now? Statistically, Russia wins a bit more than the rest, and Italy is crap. But otherwise, the game balance is admirable.
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For an interesting take on the geographical imbalance, and perhaps WHY some of the countries do statistically better than others, read Geography is Destiny (http://devel.diplom.org/DipPouch/Zine/F1999R/Windsor/dipmap.html) by Paul Windsor. Additionally, his theory gives rise to some thought-provoking ideas on alliances as well.
EDIT: At the same time, though, I don't want to espouse a view that you should simply 'regurgitate' the teachings of a half dozen or so articles on the Archive. Certainly, no article tells prospective Tsars that they should attack Germany in 1901... ;)
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Well, I've signed on and set my preference to GRFEAIT.
I look forward to this game! :wink:
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For an interesting take on the geographical imbalance, and perhaps WHY some of the countries do statistically better than others, read Geography is Destiny (http://devel.diplom.org/DipPouch/Zine/F1999R/Windsor/dipmap.html) by Paul Windsor. Additionally, his theory gives rise to some thought-provoking ideas on alliances as well.
EDIT: At the same time, though, I don't want to espouse a view that you should simply 'regurgitate' the teachings of a half dozen or so articles on the Archive. Certainly, no article tells prospective Tsars that they should attack Germany in 1901... ;)
This article tells me that it isn't my fault I lose with Germany. I approve.
Also: Valmir, Vengeance will come. Possibly not in this game, probably not at my hands, but the next time something bad happens to you, know that I approve.
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Oh dear, once again I have the message:
Sorry, sigsfried@gmail.com is already signed up to play
a power in game 'taal'. Only one person from each area, please.
This is confusing and annoying, and i don't know what I did wrong.
I sent:
signon ?taal hippo
set preference AGFRTEI
signoff
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Doesn't look like you did anything wrong. I'm trawling through judge info now, but if anyone (Konrad?) wants to chip in with a reason this might be happening, then that'll be good.
Otherwise I'll email the judgekeeper.
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Excellent. Guvnor is sorted. We are just waiting for Dihenydd to sign on and then we can start.
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I've put in AGFRTEI.
I've played Italy and England far too much- You wouldn't believe how many people drop out as these two (I seem to like replacing others in games.)
Hey, I actually saw someone win as Italy!!!
By F1901 they had trieste, and had all austrian centres by 1903! Wow.
Its all good, I think its because me and sigsfried both use american providers- yahoo and gmail. This area thing- where are you sigsfried?
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Given that it was 'fixed' by setting any-site, I am even more confused, as theoretically this is based on what you write in your profile under 'site' when you sign up to the Judge. Guv and Sigsfried both have different sites listed, but the other three signed up all have Warhammer-Empire.com listed, yet they didn't clash at all. Additioinally, I used exactly the same paramaters as Konrad used for Sigmar, which both of you were involved in simultaneously. Go figure.
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Is it possible for me to resign? Especially if it won't damage my dedication rating. I'll sign up with a different email address if need be. See what the Judge Keeper says frst though.
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I set the preference as ETRIFAG, but it was really just a random picking.
Thanks for the info about Diptool, it'll take some time to figure out, but hopefully it'll make the game easier for me.
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@Sigsfried:
The problem is solved - no need to resign.
Meanwhile, if Dihenydd doesn't sign on in the next 24 hours, perhaps we should open signups again?
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How many players have already signed on, 5 or 6?
Maybe try to send him another e-mail, and then if he doesn't respond the next day or so, we'll have to open sign-ups again...
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We have five players, and one floc.net observer.
EDIT: Dihenydd has now signed up successfully. We are now waiting on RagingKileak. I'll pop an email out to him as well (I was thinking we had six signed up...)
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Sorry guys
I thought I had quickly signed up correctly on Saturday, but apparently not. I'm now on with ITGREFA.
I had quickly gone through it, but must have messed up. I was busy running off to the our Calgary Annual "Armageddo-con" (40K RTT). As per usual, I won 1 lost 3, (2 close, 1 badly). But for some unknown reason Tied for "Sportsmanship" (I think they like to give to the lovable losers) but actually won the "Best Army" Category (These guys are on crack!). I think they just feel sorry for Necron Players.
So now I have a bright shiny new gift certificate to my favorite game store (for too much $$ IMHO). Of course, instead of building up my always losing Necrons, I will be adding some Pistoliers, mortars, swordsmen...ooooo those Duelitsts looks nice.... hmmm I better get paint then too... and new brushes...
Anyways. Let the games begin!
Rik
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This area thing- where are you sigsfried?
Just spotted this. Yorkshire. Halifax when at home York when at uni.
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@Dihenydd
From a GW store? How much is the certificate if you are getting all of that? $2000?
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Valmir: I had the same problem in sigmar, don't ask me why. It just seems to be something with me. :( Nevertheless, Konrad and you have both managed to sort it out, so goody.
Italy? Someone is very brave or very overconfident. Or just a great diplomat. Why did you choose it?
Since I have put Austria first, Sigsfried shouldn't get it again as well.
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Heya
@Valmir, No, its my local RT store, The Sentry Box. Look it up at www.thesentrybox.com its Western Cda's largest. The bookstore alone makes people fall on their knees in wonder. And no not $2K, 10% of that. Still, woohoo. They sell everything though so I may also spend it friviously on Euro-rails, Settlers expansions, or maybe even Twilight Imperium. I dunno, I really need pisoliers though...
@Guvnor Diplomacy - nil really, Skill - noob. Reason? It had the clearest Noob's guide in the archives!!!! :shock:
My Italians will go down with Honour and Courage! Hmmm weren't the Borgia's and Machiavelli Italians.... nice coincidence I'm sure.
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Since I have put Austria first, Sigsfried shouldn't get it again as well. Does little happy dance. Then predicts I'll get Italy
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No, Dihenydd WANTS italy... :shock:
I've taken austria as its fun, though quite hard to do well with. I won't be surprised if italy, russia, turkey and germany all attack me! Nah, (probably) not going to happen.
Any tips, sigsfried?
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Hmm
Anyone know why the Italian Gov't just received a large sum in Rubles, Marks, and Turkish Lira? Must be for the new building projects...
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Any tips, sigsfried?
I wouldn't say I'm good enough to be giving tips having a win rate with Ausria of only around 20% (mostly 2-way draws a handful of solos and 1 3 way draw).
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Well, two people were 'special' enough to put Italy first, the other being Lizardking. It appears that it will all come down to how Raging places Turkey in his preferences...
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Great, W-E is online again! :-D
Well, we're a couple of days later now, and still our 7th player hasn't shown up. Maybe we should start to look for another one?
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Has he been sending press in morr?
Where are you raging???? :?
Oh, I just had to use the afro. :mrgreen:
:roll:
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Ok, this new forum is taking a bit of getting use to. Change..... I hate change.... I don't do change.... sigh.
I thought he was going to log in like on Monday or something? I've been scanning ever since.
Is it just my internet ineptitude or is there something I'm missing, I've been trying to look at game "taal" on the USOS judge and it doesn't come up. "No such game" or similar message.
Raging... where the heck are ya?
Rik "Mr. Mussolini to you"
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The new site is indeed a little hard to get used to, but that's most likely because it is still unfinished.
It appears that Raging has fallen off the face of the Earth. I've been sending him email, with no reply. I got one press message from him consisting of one line in Morr the other day. I'll send him another message, but if he doesn't sign on tonight (Aussie time) then I shall reopen signups on the forum tomorrow.
Sorry for the inconvenience, everyone.
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No worries, its not your fault.
I'll start sending raging emails too. With threats if he doesn't reply! :wink:
I've been looking up how to play austria, and it seems like I've let myself into a BIG challenge.
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Yes, the new look will need a little time to get used to. Still, the smleys look cute. :lol:
Well, I don't think RaginKileak will still respond, it's been quite a while now... Let's give him one more day, as you propose, and thereafter try to find a new candidate if needed.
Is it just my internet ineptitude or is there something I'm missing, I've been trying to look at game "taal" on the USOS judge and it doesn't come up. "No such game" or similar message.
Well, I don't think the game is "created" before all players are signed on and everyone has been given a power to play.
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The game 'exists', but not as we know it... :-o
If you send something like:
signon ?taal [password]
get
signoff
you will receive a list of who is signed on. When I send that, I get their preferences as well, although you may not on account of not being as super-cool as I am... :wink:
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So is raging here, or anywhere? Please don't start until I come back from my holiday, setting a leave of absence in the first week is a bit annoying.
Oh, and I've coined the crazy wants-to-know-everything-mindset GM, valmir.
I'll be sending emails.
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We won't start until you get back (at this rate, it looks like we'll be needing a new 7th player anyway...).
When exactly is it that you get back? I know it was on another thread, but I'm ever so lazy...
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I travel back on the 14th so I've set my absence until the 15th.
If raging's still in morr then we shouldn't need another player.
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Well, I do hope we don't need another player, and that Raging will sign up soon. But it's been a while since the invitation e-mail was sent...
Oh, and Guvnor, no worries. We'll surely wait untill you're back.
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Oh dear, I forgot to mention that I'll be in Japan of all places from April 11-20. I wont have much access to computers, so I doubt I'll be able to get online. If we start before then, I suppose I could just leave my country for the holiday, and hope it's not gone by the time I return.
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Well with me being away 5th-15th and you 11-20th and raging disappeared I think we may have a little waiting in order to start. :|
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I got an email around this time yesterday asking what address he needed to send to to sign up. I replied immediately. But still no signup... Truly, the Kileak is a riddle within a mystery, wrapped inside an enigma... ;)
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I just hope this isn't a sign of things to come...
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This is confusing...
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Even if it is a sign of things to come, there shouldn't be too much of an issue as long as orders are submitted. Diplomacy does not reward irregular communication.
Either way, I'm opening up signups once again. If RagingKileak joins the game before somebody else steps in, that is fine.
If you wish to play, please post your email in this thread (suitably disguised if you are worried about spambots).
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I'll play.
I've always wanted to play this game.
tim[dot]lekikui[at]googlemail[dot]com
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That's great!
If you're not already signed up to the judge, you should do so here (http://www.diplom.org/Email/registration.html).
After that, just send
signon ?taal yourpassword
set preference AEFGIRT
signoff
to the judge email adress (change the letter combination to your preference of course, this is just alphabetic). Valmir will send you an invitation mail too, I suppose. :wink:
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Sent.
Welcome aboard Landschnetze.
Raging is still out there somewhere, so it will come down to who actually signs up to the game first. I find this a little distasteful, but Raging still has Morr, and I'm sure it is only a matter of time until PBEM 6 starts up (Myrmidia?).
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I've just sent the e-mail, so I think I'm in.
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Yes, you're in. We're ready to start now.
And yes, I feel sorry for Raging too... Let's hope game 6 starts soon, so he can join in if he wants to.
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...and we're away!
With regard to peoples' absences, we have two options:
1. I pause the game, meaning no one can send anything other than a broadcast except to me, or
2. I set a reeeeaally long deadline, this allows people to communicate in the meantime. I'm assuming that most peoples' email access while away will be existent, but minimal.
I would tend to favour the second option, and that is what I will do unless either of our absentees have a particular objection. If this is a problem, I will simply pause the game.
Easy.
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And we're off! I got Germany.
So, do we start right away, or do we wait until everyone (Guvnor and Gutsy) is back? If I remember it right, Guvnor was unable to play from 5th-15th, so that leaves only one day before he leaves.
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And I got France. I may have 'jumped the gun' a bit (I've started attempting ot negotiate already) but I'm not in trouble, am I?
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Heya
Ok, I realize I'm still internet illiterate, but I still can't find the "Taal" game on the DPJudge. I still get the "No such game exists message" but I do get the email. Is there no map resources etc for this game?
Rik
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Its good to be back in a WE game again. Austria is mine!
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Ok, I realize I'm still internet illiterate, but I still can't find the "Taal" game on the DPJudge. I still get the "No such game exists message" but I do get the email. Is there no map resources etc for this game?
You can go to floc.net (http://www.floc.net/observer.py?judge=USOS&game=taal&page=game) to see a map of the game. Alternatively, you can use DipTool (http://www.hagenah.de/diptool/) to look at the map, a handy program which also allows you to visualize orders and such (use "import game from floc.net" if you use DipTool).
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IIRC, DPJudge is a separate judge (like DEDO or USOS) which would be why the game doesn't appear.
Either of cisse's suggestions should work (I use DipTool, and it worked fine for me).
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Blast, the newbie guide on the forums has gone missing, and I have no idea what I'm doing.
Two questions:
1. How do I get diptool to work?
2. Where is that damned newbie guide?
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Erm... do you mean this one (http://www.warhammer-empire.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=35&topic=5632.0)? It is about halfway down the page in the Count's Tavern...
Otherwise, there is a more detailed one here (http://www.diplom.org/DipPouch/Email/newintro.html)
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I swear when I posted that last message that thread wasn't working. Maybe it was just a brief problem with my browser. Whatever it was, thanks for the link, it works fine now.
Oh, and remember boys, the sun never sets on the British Empire. Prepare to be Lloyd-George'd. Well, to be historically accurate, I guess it would be the Marquess of Salisbury, but meat sounds a lot less imposing.
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As a long succession of England post forced me to think up names may I suggest,
1. Anything with 'ham' on the end, e.g Harry Ebringham
2. Something that sounds like a plant or tree, e.g James Oakley
3. Anything that sounds sort of french but not quite, e.g Montmorency (thats in a book)
Now I'm back, and have found a computer. There don't seem to be many in Cyprus and Egypt... :?
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So we are down to the last hours before the first move. I notice not everyone has their orders in. Who is hanging back until the last seconds????
Is this normal?
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Ok, so we are all in but for Gutsy, when was he expected back?
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I believe he was due back before now. That was why I set the deadline so late. If no orders appear by tonight I'll shoot him an email to see what's going on.
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If we dont hear from Gutsy, I assume you are opening England up.
Would we process the first turn or wait until someone gets up to speed? I ask b/c its been almost a month now... and my Turkish troops get rather ... boisterous if not entertained properly...
Rik "Sick Man of Europe"
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I am opening up England as of NOW.
If you wish to join this game (the first move hasn't taken place yet), please post your email address in this thread (suitably masked to avoid bots).
We will need to wait for someone to get up to speed. Under the assumption that most people are fairly happy with their negotiations, I would set the deadline for 3 days after the new player signed on, and recommend that everybody set nowait in order to get the turn processing faster.
I apologise on behalf of Gutsy for the delay.
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That's alright for me though, I was expecting to be late, as I have been rather ill the last few days.
Still, I'm on the road to recovery.
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If I have not had any response for a player for England soon (like, next day or two), I shall set list, which means the game will be listed on the DipPouch website for people to join. This is not an ideal solution, as it means that the player won't be a W-E member, but at least we'll be playing.
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I thought you said Rorrak was becoming england? :?
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Well... Rorrak said he was becoming England. I'll shoot him an email and see what's going on. I know he needs to sign up to USOS and such, but that shouldn't take long.
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Seems he is on, hello rorrak! Who are you BTW?
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The View from St. Petersburg
by Charles Roburn
The Kaiser, Archduke, Sultan, King:
These four are my good neighbors dear,
Encircling Russia in a ring
That fills my heart with dread and fear.
Monsieur and Pontiff, I will bet,
Are safe. They can’t invade me…yet.
And since we have no common borders
I need not fear their armies’ orders.
But from the rest I must find friends,
For if I don’t, they’ll overwhelm
My poor defenseless Russian realm,
And then my dream of empire ends.
I must make choices. Which are wiser?
The Sultan, Archduke, King, or Kaiser?
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:lol:
I wish we still had the applauding emoticon.
It reminds me of Auden, for some reason.
In response to Guvnor's post (I assume Rorrak is not reading this thread), Rorrak is Turkey in Sigmar, and has been a member of this forum for longer than I have (although, I haven't celebrated my First Birthday yet, so that's not saying much). He's been pretty quiet on the forums lately, but is a Top Bloke ;).
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No, no ,no. Im eant like Prime Minister and sutff.
I know rorrak from my short term in ulric. Very short term in ulric.
Great poem! Appluad Applaud Appluad. Clap Clap Clap. I want that emoticon! :cry:
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Just in case you were thinking otherwise. I didn't write that. One of my flat mates was having to anylase it as part of there English work. She claims it is a metaphor for something.
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I just Googled Charles Roburn, and all of the links it comes up with are about... you guessed it... Diplomacy.
I suspect it's not a metaphor for anything, although certainly one can read various things/images/allusions/etc into anything if one wishes.
As an example off the top of my head:
This poem is a shocking indictment on the human condition, dealing as it does with religious paranoia, Western organised religion vs Eastern mysticism, the interminable nature of the moment immediately prior to a final decision, and the terrible human weaknesses engendered therein.
'Monsieur and Pontiff, I will bet,/Are safe. They can't invade me... yet' could be an allusion to the Great Schism in the Roman Catholic, a period during which (IIRC) there were two Popes, one in Rome and one in France (at one point, I believe there was a third - possibly in Constantinople?). Clearly, the author regards Christianity as being somewhat non-threatening, however this is only due to the 'lack of common borders' between the author and Christianity. This is a comment on established religion's tendency to despise things that are similar to their own manner of thought. For example, history shows us countless examples of Christianity waging war on Judaism and Islam (or vice versa in any combination) despite that they believe in the same God. Christianity, however, does not wage war on Buddhism or Shinto, which have radically different characteristics.
Indeed, the author expresses fear only of his neighbours, and also self-loathing over the necessity to befriend one.
By distancing himself from Christianity in this way, and his dismissal of martial solutions ('defenseless Russian realm'), Roburn aligns himself with the philosophical systems of the East. Roburn's reticence to choose an ally finds resonance in the varied Buddhist ideologies, which share the common thread of the path to Enlightenment being inward. This is directly at odds with Roburn's assertion that he needs to ally with one of his neighbours lest his 'dream of empire end'.
The melancholy tone of the final stanza indicates that, like Hamlet, or Prufrock, the author does not relish the thought of committing to a course of action. The central issue of the poem is the resolution of this particular choice, and yet we only realise this at the end, giving the previous twelve lines an air of rambling, hesitating procrastination.
His hesitation in this regard belies a lack of faith in his own convictions. He desperately wishes to have the strength of will to believe that the path to greater glory is inwards, however he does not have the courage to pursue this course of action.
Oh dear. I clearly need to go back to sleep. :roll:
Please be assured that my tongue was firmly ensconced in my cheek. ;)
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Oh, on the religion thing- the russians aren't and weren't catholic- they were always russian orthodox.
This could also explain the theological distance between east and west.
I reckon you are all thinking too much.
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Wow, very late response to this thread.
I hadn't posted in a while because my bookmark took me directly to the forums used to be and that link no longer works. At first I just thought that there were more problems (as had been seen during that time) but after a while Vann Harl (another South African) told me he was still posting.
I'm back now but didn't peek into this forum due to trying to catch up in the main one.
As to who I am. I've been calling myself Prime Minister but I suppose it should be king. A historical Faux Pas ! :)
I must say its quite hard joining a game where most of the negotiation has taken place. Initial agreements are fairly set in stone it seems. Its ok though. I'm enjoying my throne while it lasts.
Playing Turkey in Sigmar. I took on a character type for that game and tried to Roleplay it (to myself at least) and have that character be consistent. I believe I succeeded. I hope to do the same as King but using a different character with different values.
Soooo.... to change a mantra seen earlier on these forums.
What happened in Sigmar stays in Sigmar !
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LOL
Yes, I understand the desire to roleplay Turkey! However, I wasn't aware that others were thinking the bird! Those knives are looking sharp.
Welcome back
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Same for ulric, mate. Imagine how many grudges I could have from that game... :roll:
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Where is our Turkey? I guess the sultan has just not checked his computer, not resigned or fallen off the earth.
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OMG
Sorry guys. Things have been a little crazy around here. I haven't actually checked my email since the w'end. We're just in the tail end of moving to a new townhouse and of course this is the busiest time of the year at work.
Am I gone from the game? I know I've all but lost but.... I'd like to finish?
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If you just send the usual e-mail, you should be able to signon again and send in your orders I think.
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Yup, just send in an order.
On other topics, having just finished my english exam I'm going to write my own Diplomacy poem, like the one sigsfried put up.
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Wow. Sorry I missed this, guys. Check out my mad GM-ing skillz. :(
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You were ill though.
And you spelt skills with a 'z'. Thats always a sign of the end... :wink:
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Help! I can't access my email, but can I have an extension to sort this out?
Don't worry if it is too late.
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It's the r00lz, Guv: The word 'skills' must always be spelled with a 'z' if said skills are in any way referred to as being 'mad'. ;)
Deadline extended.
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Ye, dem roolz, init.
I will assume valmir has temporary madness/insanity following australia's fluky World Cup win. :roll:
Thanks for extending the d3eadline- it seems all of yahoos europe mail network just flopped. It seems to be back on again, and apparently working...
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I'll put in on here in case someone sees it, can i have an extesnsion, until monday will be fine, I've just not been able to access a computer since tuesday.