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Title: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Douchie on September 14, 2011, 08:12:00 AM
Apologies if this has already been raised elsewhere, but I've heard through the rumour grapevine that GW are planning another special edition boxset release in the next couple of weeks.

Does anyone have any details as to what it might me?

Space Hulk was an awesome hit.

I hope its something like Mordhiem or Tallisman

Thoughts?
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Aldaris on September 14, 2011, 08:19:22 AM
It's apparently naval themed.

Here you go:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315275 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315275)
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Douchie on September 14, 2011, 08:40:15 AM
Legend thanks
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2011, 08:49:14 AM
75?

Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on September 14, 2011, 12:08:15 PM
Man O War then?
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 14, 2011, 12:13:03 PM
All the rumors say it's not Man o' War, but a new naval game.

Presumably everything will be revealed on Saturday.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: GamesPoet on September 14, 2011, 05:28:26 PM
Looking forward to it.  Supposably another limited release.

Speaking of which, I have really enjoyed playing Space Hulk.  Need to crack that open for another game sometime soon.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Carcharoth on September 14, 2011, 05:50:58 PM
It's basically Man'o'war.
I almost promise you this.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Aldaris on September 14, 2011, 05:52:25 PM
I almost promise you this.

I almost believe you.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Justnorth on September 16, 2011, 12:37:18 PM
Is it in the same scale as Man o War?
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2011, 12:38:19 PM
No one seems sure yet!

We should find out tomorrow.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Shadowlord on September 16, 2011, 04:46:02 PM
No one seems sure yet!

That is incorrect...
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: MrDWhitey on September 16, 2011, 04:48:46 PM
No one seems sure yet!

That is incorrect...

Where have you been hiding?
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Shadowlord on September 16, 2011, 06:23:49 PM
Where have you been hiding?

Ignoring the degrading of this site, which is turning into a mini-Warseer, is not hiding.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: MrDWhitey on September 16, 2011, 06:28:46 PM
Where have you been hiding?

Ignoring the degrading of this site, which is turning into a mini-Warseer, is not hiding.

Man has a point.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Aldaris on September 16, 2011, 06:42:20 PM
Where have you been hiding?

Ignoring the degrading of this site, which is turning into a mini-Warseer, is not hiding.

Man has a point.

Hmm? Are we talking about the Electors Forum? Because the Tavern and the Back Table seem fine as always. I don't really go to this other place on the forum often...
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: PhillyT on September 16, 2011, 09:29:53 PM
Many hobbiests I spoke with mentioned that Space Hulk tanked.  Not sure if that was from GW's perspective or at the shop level, but most seem to claim it was a shitty thing to get involved in.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Finlay on September 16, 2011, 09:38:58 PM
I thought it sold out?
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: PhillyT on September 16, 2011, 10:06:06 PM
You can find them in massive heaps throughout NEw ENgland.  Of course those are the only hobby shop owners I have spoken too.  Perhaps everywhere else sold like dynamite?  I think GW moved theirs, but the shops are sitting on them.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: MrDWhitey on September 16, 2011, 10:22:52 PM
You have... spare Space Hulks?

Send me one!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Finlay on September 16, 2011, 10:37:43 PM
They go for a lot on ebay over here i think.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: PhillyT on September 16, 2011, 10:40:34 PM
You have... spare Space Hulks?

Send me one!

I could certainly buy you one and mail it.  I have my copy, but thats it.  I don't personally have spares!

I know the models sell for a lot, but the boxes are plentiful here.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: MrDWhitey on September 16, 2011, 11:37:27 PM
When I have spare monies (possibly end of this month), we talk.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 16, 2011, 11:44:55 PM
Oh, it's on the GW site now. 70.

It appears to contain a robot squid.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440146a&prodId=prod1350015a


Not sure if I like the look of it or not.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Blauer Nebel on September 17, 2011, 01:07:15 AM
There is no facepalm that can fully illustrate the state of mind I am currently in...
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 17, 2011, 02:20:29 AM
SKULLZ!

(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1970124a_60011999001_Islands01_445x319.jpg)

Everything is plastic! Neat!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Erik Von Karlson on September 17, 2011, 02:55:27 AM
There is no facepalm that can fully illustrate the state of mind I am currently in...

Yes! Sigged!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on September 17, 2011, 03:17:36 AM


It seems as if they tried to cram as many ideas into one game, while giving it very little focus. I'm just not as enthusiastic about playing a game with one of each good guy ships against one of each bad guy ships, especially when there are only 10 total. I'd prefer to be able to pick an Empire fleet, or a Dark Elf fleet, or a Fishmen fleet or whatever.

The ships definitely look better produced than Man-o-War, both in terms of sculpting and casting. All plastic is also nice. Some of them look like great concepts, but some of them seem to suffer from the overly busy look ("cram as much crap onto the model") that plagues some of the other figures they make. The game mat is a nice touch, too.

I'm curious how it actually plays.

Given the choice, though, between Space Hulk and this, I find Space Hulk more appealing.

Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Blauer Nebel on September 17, 2011, 03:44:02 AM
The Heldenhammer is so stupid looking. And a steam-powered hammer on the front?

If I had the money to spend, for the same price I could get 3 fleets of Unchartered for this price, and have a better game to boot.

Although I wish they would sell that mat separately.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on September 17, 2011, 04:20:46 AM


Not the same, but... http://www.thewarstore.com/battlefieldseascapemat.html

There are others out there, too.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Cannonofdoom on September 17, 2011, 04:23:13 AM
Battlefleet Gothic, with some slight modifications, would actually make a good Sea Battle ruleset.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on September 17, 2011, 04:56:50 AM



Most space games seem make better naval games. They don't usually handle three dimensions very well.  :wink:

Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Justnorth on September 17, 2011, 05:20:03 AM
Where have you been hiding?

Ignoring the degrading of this site, which is turning into a mini-Warseer, is not hiding.

Ouch, that is some harsh rhetoric.
I am yet to see the Warseer "Roxxor A+111" Nonsense here.
Mind you, Grutch has been absent lately and we have not been getting our quota of grumbling, that has been a let down.  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Aldaris on September 17, 2011, 07:46:57 AM
I'm not really interested, but I think those ships look really nice. It's a board game, not a new wargame were you can build your own fleet, so I really don't know what some of the gnashing of teeth is about.

Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2011, 10:09:24 AM
The ships are about twice the size of man o' war ships, it seems. Which is what I expected, since that's the size of uncharted seas ships.


Robot squid!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: McKnight on September 17, 2011, 10:17:26 AM
Spacehulk: Sold out pretty fast in Denmark. Maybe the consumers in new england bought it through GW and not your stores?


Anyway. The game appeals to me. But the price is high! :O

Here is the introduction film, lasting ten minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6m1t5hYvCLo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6m1t5hYvCLo#)
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2011, 10:21:31 AM
But the price is high!

The price is definitely on the high side for a boardgame.


I quite want it though!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Finlay on September 17, 2011, 10:43:06 AM
I quite want it too.

I really like the undead ghost ship, and the dwarf ship.
and of course the robot squid!

I definitely want to try it.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on September 17, 2011, 10:47:50 AM
I'm quite convinced our club will buy it...


So there's absolutely no sane reason for me to do so as well, is there ?
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Finlay on September 17, 2011, 11:09:39 AM
I'm quite convinced our club will buy it...

excellent, that means I can play it in may, and spend 70 on something else!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Carcharoth on September 17, 2011, 11:12:30 AM
I'd get it but this limited edition nonesense will probably prevent me, unless I fancy forking out an extortionate amount on Ebay.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2011, 11:14:02 AM
I keep thinking that there is no need for me to get this, since I already have Man o' War and I haven't even painted all the ships for that.

But it's nearly my birthday, so maybe I can convince someone to buy it for me!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: McKnight on September 17, 2011, 11:25:53 AM
Well Rufus, I heard Finlay has 70 to spare..  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2011, 12:40:49 PM
Ha ha!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: GamesPoet on September 17, 2011, 01:00:46 PM
Looks like some highly detailed ships, nice mat, overall layout seems good, each ship has its own specialty, but not sure I'll get it.  GW has a decent string of photos up on its website for the game.  Probably wait at least till I see and hear how it plays.

The limited release concept is marketing.  Then they'll put out something else and folks will buy it too because thats limited and they'll want to have the in thing being played now.  Its like when something gets put on sale, there's this psycology that tries to take over and say, "Oooh, I'm saving money", but really its getting you to spend money.

And yep, in New England, a person can find a copy of Space Hulk if they want one.  I won't be rushing to buy Dreadfleet, and would rather spend money on other things.  Besides, I enjoy MoW, and have plenty of fantasy and historical figures that need painting anyway.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Gneisenau on September 17, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
The detail is truly astounding.

Too expensive for me for something I would never use though.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Timbor on September 18, 2011, 03:26:10 AM
I jumped on the bandwagon!  Preorder'd!

I figure the minis look nice, the scenery and monsters are cool.  I can either play it, or I can use pieces to spice up my  uncharted seas stuff.  Or vice versa.  I think the scale will be somewhat similar, and hopefully interchangeable.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Mathi Alfblut on September 18, 2011, 08:21:14 PM
It would be fun to have, but I wish they had brought forth MoW instead. I do not want a bunch of brick brack pirates, I want to be able to collect a fleet, not just have a limited boardgame.

Still the stuff looks nice and all that, so had it cost half of what it does, I might have considered buying it later. Now however I will focus on getting more stuff for Sisters of Battle.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: GamesPoet on September 18, 2011, 08:58:16 PM
Yep, it would have been a good followup to Space Hulk if they had put out a new edition of MoW, and then started producing a line of ships to go with it.  Then they might even make more over a longer run, than producing Dreadfleet for a quick intake.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Aldaris on September 18, 2011, 09:02:54 PM
Yep, it would have been a good followup to Space Hulk if they had put out a new edition of MoW, and then started producing a line of ships to go with it.

That requires starting to support a new (old) game system in their range, which might well tank. I think producing a one-shot boardgame is easier and less risky.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: GamesPoet on September 18, 2011, 09:05:58 PM
You could have a good point there.  Maybe they don't want to compete with the fleet games now available.

But just the same, my MoW dream might be is just that anyway.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Timbor on September 18, 2011, 10:34:47 PM
Yeah, I thought the reason they stopped supporting all the specialist games stuff is that they weren't making money from it (ie players buy the book and 10-20 models and they are done vs buying 200 or more models per army...)

I do like that with this game I won't have to worry about buying any more stuff after buying the box game...
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Delthos on September 19, 2011, 01:52:46 AM
I thought Fantasy Flight's license to produce roleplayinggames, boardgames, and cardgames based on Warhammer and Warhammer 40K was because GW didn't want to invest in those type of games anymore. Now that we've seen both Spacehulk and now Dreadfleet, I wonder if this is a sign that Fantasy Flight Game's license won't get renewed? I'd be very concerned if I were FFG. FFG has done an outstanding job on their GW games and that'd be a huge hit to their income with their loss. Perhaps GW has seen that boardgames can be profitable.

I won't bite though. I'm really getting to a point that I need to get rid of stuff not buy more. I was close to pulling out the credit card Friday night though! $115 is just too much for me, especially for a game I may play once.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: patsy02 on September 19, 2011, 02:27:25 AM
I learnt my lesson after Space Hulk. 90, not used a single time.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: GamesPoet on September 19, 2011, 03:08:35 AM
I've played Space Hulk probably a half dozen or more times, loved it, and will play it again.  Its been a fun and social multi playergame, too.

Dreadfleet could be the same way, but if I buy it, then it would cut into playing time for other things, if I liked it.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on September 19, 2011, 04:08:50 AM
I thought Fantasy Flight's license to produce roleplayinggames, boardgames, and cardgames based on Warhammer and Warhammer 40K was because GW didn't want to invest in those type of games anymore. Now that we've seen both Spacehulk and now Dreadfleet, I wonder if this is a sign that Fantasy Flight Game's license won't get renewed? I'd be very concerned if I were FFG. FFG has done an outstanding job on their GW games and that'd be a huge hit to their income with their loss. Perhaps GW has seen that boardgames can be profitable.


Funny you mention that. While I've got no urge to buy Dreadfleet, I was just looking at Talisman on the FFG site earlier today. (I've never played, but heard it's pretty good.)

Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on September 19, 2011, 07:25:02 AM
Id have been tempted to buy this if it was half the price.  As it is, I just can't afford that kind of money and I doubt I would be able to convince any of my friends to go halfs on it.

Ill stick to BFG for my ship on ship action.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: GamesPoet on September 19, 2011, 11:36:18 AM
BFG = ???
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on September 19, 2011, 11:40:42 AM
Battle Fleet Gothic  :-D
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Shadowlord on September 19, 2011, 01:26:46 PM
Ouch, that is some harsh rhetoric.

No it isn't!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Mathi Alfblut on September 19, 2011, 08:41:58 PM
It depends on your point of view. I do not think we are close to whineseer than before. Sure, there have been a bit more critique against GW:s prices but so what? We with little money do feel frustrated. I am to tired to complain much and there are decent alternative minis for some armies.

People always have different opinions on what something is worth. Do not get frustrated by that. And as the times get harsher more people gets frustrated. They got hooked, they invested and then felt they were robbed of their new passion. Sure, you can argue it is a free choice and nothing one need etc. Still, I would miss you all terribly much if I was forced to quit. I would have to cut so many emotional and dare I say social bonds because I had no legitimate reason to remain on these forums. That would make me really bitter and frusrated and I may take it out on GW. In reality I would be most bitter on myself for allowing myself to get dragged into it in the first place.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Shadowlord on September 20, 2011, 05:29:51 AM
I don't get frustrated, I am simply bored to read about recycling.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on September 20, 2011, 09:09:36 AM
I don't get frustrated, I am simply bored to read about recycling.


 :biggriin: :biggriin: :biggriin:
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Mathi Alfblut on September 20, 2011, 09:14:17 AM
Ah, you mean reading about buying second-hand armies on Ebay? :icon_razz:


Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Midaski on September 20, 2011, 10:15:49 AM
Can you recycle plasin ?

I assume they must be able to find something useful it can make.

 :engel:
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on September 20, 2011, 10:51:58 AM
Prices affect everyone in the hobby.  Sure there are some of us who have more disposable income than others.  Everyone has a point where they go, thats nice, but I can't afford it.

70 quid for 10 boat models and a board game is miles above what I would ever pay.  If it was 35 I would have probably considered buying it.  I would more likely buy a Forge World greater daemon or a titan than that at 70, and those purchases are looking highly unlikely!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Gneisenau on September 20, 2011, 04:21:33 PM
I recycle every day!

First I use Obi's bike to cycle to work, then I use Soth's bike to cycle to shopping, then I use cisse's bike to cycle to...
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: GamesPoet on September 20, 2011, 07:47:20 PM
Woah, Gneisenau has three cycles?  Yowza, thankfully I date women and they only have one, thats plenty. :icon_wink: :icon_lol:

(GP ... this isn't the back table and its a thread on Dreadfleet.)

Oh, right, sorry. :engel:
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: der Hurenwiebel on September 21, 2011, 01:35:09 AM
well lets see I've played space hulk about 10 times now and am trying to write up rules for including other models like gaunts, regular marines, imp guard and so forth  pretty fun game really with a bit more tweaking it can be loads of fun more than GW ever anticipated. 

About the only thing I can say about dread fleet at the moment is that the models look cheesy, cartoonishly implausible, over exaggerated, and trite.  What makes a game fun isn't the models, its the rules, with a good set of rules you can have triangular blocks of single color painted wood to represent the ships and it would still be fun. 
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Obi on September 21, 2011, 02:06:36 PM
I recycle every day!

First I use Obi's bike to cycle to work, then I use Soth's bike to cycle to shopping, then I use cisse's bike to cycle to...
Well, we use your fuel tanks!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Gneisenau on September 21, 2011, 02:12:49 PM
Good one! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Mathi Alfblut on September 21, 2011, 02:25:40 PM
Amen to that, Huren, me vikin brotha! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Tiny on September 23, 2011, 10:29:41 AM
I may be in a minority here but I quite like the look of Dreadfleet and will more than likely be making a purchase.

70 is a lot for a boardgame but compared to the money i've spent on other miniatures, is is really that much? Hell, my unit of greatswords cost almost as much as Dreadfleet and at today's prices, it would cost more!

I see this game as something that can be cracked open over a few beers and a takeaway on a friday night, rather than having to set up the games table (it fits on top of my dining table), add loads of scenery and take 4 hours to play a game of Warhammer / Necromunda / 40K. It's also a lot more portable so can easily be taken to a mate's house for a game. I will also use it to try to introduce more players to our gaming group (currently a group of 2, with another guy painting up his 1st necromunda gang) as a kind of "soft" wargame. Even the mrs has been asking about my "toy soldiers" recently and asking if she can play, but she's a bit slow and might benefit from a simple-to-play introduction rather than me handing her the Warhammer rulebook and telling her she can play once she reads it.

Another reason for getting it is that it's a one-off cost, in both time and money. You can't buy any more minaitures for it, therefore once the miniatures in the box are painted you're all done. I don't need to make scenery (I've had a tits full of that after doing a full necromunda table). I don't need to make a 4x4' seascape table to play it on.

Yes as a full on wargame it's pretty far off the mark but as a simple sit-down-and-play boardgame. it ticks all the right boxes. Plus there's skullz and you can never have too many of those.

Did I mention, I'm looking forward to this game?

Also, if anyone in New England (or anywhere else in the world) wants to do me a favour and ship me a copy of Space Hulk (at retail prices, not the silly money they're going for on eBalls), send me a PM and I will send you some paypals.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on September 23, 2011, 02:26:40 PM
well lets see I've played space hulk about 10 times now and am trying to write up rules for including other models like gaunts, regular marines, imp guard and so forth  pretty fun game really with a bit more tweaking it can be loads of fun more than GW ever anticipated. 


That's what I miss about the wayback old White Dwarfs -- they used to do this with their games. They would publish actual content in the magazine, and expand their games to make them even better.



About the only thing I can say about dread fleet at the moment is that the models look cheesy, cartoonishly implausible, over exaggerated, and trite.  What makes a game fun isn't the models, its the rules, with a good set of rules you can have triangular blocks of single color painted wood to represent the ships and it would still be fun.

I get that point... but then you're paying us$115 (or whatever your local price is) for a set of rules and a bunch of plastic stuff that you don't like. The extra price tag on GW stuff is -- in my mind -- for the quality of their figures. Otherwise, I can find shelves worth of $50 boardgames with great rules and crappy playing pieces (whether plastic, wood, card, etc.)



70 is a lot for a boardgame but compared to the money i've spent on other miniatures, is is really that much? Hell, my unit of greatswords cost almost as much as Dreadfleet and at today's prices, it would cost more!

That assumes that the price of goldswords is reasonable -- which they are not. Comparing it to something else that's overpriced is a bit off the mark.

However, that said, I do think that if you like the figures, the game is not over priced. Like I said above, $50 +/- for a boardgame isn't unusual. This one comes with what appears to be a really nice looking game mat, detailed figures, and as you said, all the terrain you need. I think that's a pretty good value if you like the rules and the figures.




Plus there's skullz and you can never have too many of those.


At this point, I've had my Skullz limit, and further OMGskullzEVERYWHERE from GW is just a further turn off from their products. At some point they found a line of "too much" and rather than just casually cross it, they loaded themselves in a great cannon and shot themselves way beyond it.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on September 23, 2011, 02:57:40 PM
well lets see I've played space hulk about 10 times now and am trying to write up rules for including other models like gaunts, regular marines, imp guard and so forth  pretty fun game really with a bit more tweaking it can be loads of fun more than GW ever anticipated. 


That's what I miss about the wayback old White Dwarfs -- they used to do this with their games. They would publish actual content in the magazine, and expand their games to make them even better.



About the only thing I can say about dread fleet at the moment is that the models look cheesy, cartoonishly implausible, over exaggerated, and trite.  What makes a game fun isn't the models, its the rules, with a good set of rules you can have triangular blocks of single color painted wood to represent the ships and it would still be fun.

I get that point... but then you're paying us$115 (or whatever your local price is) for a set of rules and a bunch of plastic stuff that you don't like. The extra price tag on GW stuff is -- in my mind -- for the quality of their figures. Otherwise, I can find shelves worth of $50 boardgames with great rules and crappy playing pieces (whether plastic, wood, card, etc.)



70 is a lot for a boardgame but compared to the money i've spent on other miniatures, is is really that much? Hell, my unit of greatswords cost almost as much as Dreadfleet and at today's prices, it would cost more!

That assumes that the price of goldswords is reasonable -- which they are not. Comparing it to something else that's overpriced is a bit off the mark.

However, that said, I do think that if you like the figures, the game is not over priced. Like I said above, $50 +/- for a boardgame isn't unusual. This one comes with what appears to be a really nice looking game mat, detailed figures, and as you said, all the terrain you need. I think that's a pretty good value if you like the rules and the figures.




Plus there's skullz and you can never have too many of those.


At this point, I've had my Skullz limit, and further OMGskullzEVERYWHERE from GW is just a further turn off from their products. At some point they found a line of "too much" and rather than just casually cross it, they loaded themselves in a great cannon and shot themselves way beyond it.

I have to say I agree with every single point ZeroTwentythree makes.  But each to their own!  The point where something is too expensive for me, is a lot lower now I have a mortgage than it was when I lived with my parents.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Shadowlord on September 23, 2011, 03:10:51 PM
That assumes that the price of goldswords is reasonable -- which they are not.

THAT assumes that your version of reason is the correct one -- which it is not.

I agree about the production quality of Dreadfleet, which is why I bought it.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: GamesPoet on September 23, 2011, 03:14:05 PM
well lets see I've played space hulk about 10 times now and am trying to write up rules for including other models like gaunts, regular marines, imp guard and so forth  pretty fun game really with a bit more tweaking it can be loads of fun more than GW ever anticipated.
Keep us posted on what you come up with, I"d be interested in these! 

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About the only thing I can say about dread fleet at the moment is that the models look cheesy, cartoonishly implausible, over exaggerated, and trite.  What makes a game fun isn't the models, its the rules, with a good set of rules you can have triangular blocks of single color painted wood to represent the ships and it would still be fun.
I can understand this, but at $115 I'd like to be sure I enjoy the rules before spending that amount.

I played Space Hulk first, then bought it.  The same will go for Dreadfleet, and I'm not in a rush.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on September 24, 2011, 07:58:28 AM
That assumes that the price of goldswords is reasonable -- which they are not.

THAT assumes that your version of reason is the correct one -- which it is not.





It is for him.


That said, I think I'll buy Dreadfleet. I'll decide when holding the box.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on September 24, 2011, 01:54:56 PM
That assumes that the price of goldswords is reasonable -- which they are not.

THAT assumes that your version of reason is the correct one -- which it is not.

I agree about the production quality of Dreadfleet, which is why I bought it.

Well, my point was that he was comparing it to something else that people complained about (a lot), which wasn't really going to help his argument. If he had compared it to the price of something that more people saw as a good value, it would have helped make the point more effectively.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Shadowlord on September 24, 2011, 03:10:11 PM
I do not think GW greatswords are low value, but dirt cheap Mantic crap for instance is low value no matter the cost.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Justnorth on September 24, 2011, 03:54:12 PM
Goldswords are waaay too expensive.
Mantic are cheap nice sculpts.

Dreadfleet is something I will purchase, if I don't like how it will play I will flog it on eBay for a fortune with all the minis nicely painted.
There's always some sucker for a nicely painted anything on eBay.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: McKnight on September 24, 2011, 07:24:49 PM
Goldswords are waaay too expensive.
Mantic are cheap nice sculpts.


Gold swords are expensive yes.

But I agree 100% with my lord of shadows on the mantic issue. We are painting a large orc force for show in the store, and man they are fricking ugly. I wouldn't want those mantic models even if they were free.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Justnorth on September 24, 2011, 09:28:44 PM
Of course, you're a hard core fan bois like shadow.
But when you hit puberty it will all change...   :icon_redface: :icon_razz:

 ::heretic:: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: wissenlander on September 24, 2011, 09:38:01 PM
If Shadowlord hasn't hit puberty yet then God save us all when he does.

I may be in a minority here but I quite like the look of Dreadfleet and will more than likely be making a purchase.

It's the Hypno Toad at work! :wink:

As far as Dreadfleet; probably won't get it.  Has potential I'm sure but I'm not really a fan of the look and it's a bit above my price threshold.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Warlord on September 26, 2011, 02:20:47 PM
Goldswords are waaay too expensive.
Mantic are cheap nice sculpts.


Gold swords are expensive yes.

But I agree 100% with my lord of shadows on the mantic issue. We are painting a large orc force for show in the store, and man they are fricking ugly. I wouldn't want those mantic models even if they were free.

Mantic Orcs are shit.
Well thats not entirely true - I just hate the Jordy la Forge head.
Not sure about their other models - haven't really looked in great detail.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on September 26, 2011, 02:56:47 PM
Well the goldswords are incredibly well done and I think they are good enough that people buy them despite the price tag....so they are priced about right (capitalistic Fandir enjoys posting this post).
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Mathi Alfblut on September 26, 2011, 06:57:47 PM
They are extremely nive but too expensive, according to me. Regardless of anything, most of GW:s prices are daylight robbery and the quality of sculpts do not change that fact. The material is still cheap plastic.
Now, I do allow myself to be robbed by GW now and then, I am just very, very cautious about when and were.  :engel:

Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Siberius on September 26, 2011, 09:33:48 PM
Got my greatswords in the brigade set, overall much lower price and got my bestigors on ebay for 50% off. I wouldn't have bought either full price. But then maybe I'm not a good example as I'm really very stingey.

I wish people would stop calling them with the gold in there though, it really bugs me for some reason.

Anyways, that dreadfleet game thing looks a bit over the top to me, but that's not really that surprising if one looks at the latest ogre monsters etc. Seems like an ok price for all you get though.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Gneisenau on September 27, 2011, 09:13:33 AM
Well thats not entirely true - I just hate the Jordy la Forge head.

Geordie LaForge.

Your lack of nerd-fu is disturbing. :closed-eyes:

Well the platinswords are incredibly well done and I think they are good enough that people buy them despite the price tag....so they are priced about right (capitalistic Fandir enjoys posting this post).

Capitalistic Gneisenau agrees.

Though I can say with certainty that if they were cheaper (e.g. 20 Euro per box instead of 30), I would have bought five boxes instead of the two I have. Because they are very good.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Warlord on September 27, 2011, 11:31:28 PM
Well thats not entirely true - I just hate the Jordy la Forge head.

Geordie LaForge.

Your lack of nerd-fu is disturbing. :closed-eyes:

I knew when I typed it that it didn't look right, but couldn't be bothered looking it up to check.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Shadowlord on October 01, 2011, 08:15:34 AM
That said, I think I'll buy Dreadfleet. I'll decide when holding the box.

Don't do it! You won't look as cool in front of JN and Midaski as you do when you bash evil GW.

Got the box and it is a daunting project - lots of detailed miniatures and terrain to be painted. I just hope the game is worth the time spent on painting all of the pieces.

Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on October 01, 2011, 05:39:13 PM
You could always play a trial game with unpainted pieces first.

Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: McKnight on October 01, 2011, 06:38:27 PM
I tried it yesterday.
We played 3v3 with a ship each.

We just tried to kill each other, since i were the only one knowing the rules, so no scenario. The mechanics are quite good i think. They remind me of Battlefleet gothic.
There are a lot of special rules though, which you have to practice by playing some games.
The evil ships are really nasty with their special powers!
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Timbor on October 01, 2011, 09:06:36 PM
Mine is in the mail, so I should get it next week.  Though it technically is a birthday present, so I may have to wait 2 weeks to open it  :blush:
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: PhillyT on October 01, 2011, 11:56:20 PM
I have 40 bestigor, but I only bought one box full price.  The others I got on The Herdstone at around $20 per 10.  I wouldn't have bought them had they not been so cheap and never would have discovered how awesomely nasty they are.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Shadowlord on October 03, 2011, 05:01:51 PM
I wouldn't have bought them had they not been so cheap and never would have discovered how awesomely nasty they are.

Which is a shame because I do recall nagging about them.

@ Zero23 - too cool not to paint though.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on October 11, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
I have played dreadfleet this weekend.  It was surprisingly decent, and in a lot of ways similar to gothic.  The models are really good.  70 good, im not sure on though  :-D
Seems the plan of the owner is to paint it up to a high standard and sell it in the long term.  In the short term, my groups going to play it for a while.
Title: Re: So what's this special release that GW have planned?
Post by: Badwolf on October 11, 2011, 11:54:53 AM
On a related note....

http://nohighscores.com/node/1671 (http://nohighscores.com/node/1671)