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Title: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: shavixmir on November 22, 2013, 06:38:40 AM
I'm serious, at last, about building my gaming table.
I need one to playtest my game. And, ultimately, if I want to play a game of warhammer it would be easier to have a battle-table instead of a too-small diningroom table.

So, I was reading about the Games Workshop battle mat (25 euros) and how it was good quality, compared to some of the other grass-cover mats you can buy at local hobby stores. I couldn't find it on their website though. And thus, I found myself phoning the local GW store in my vicinity.
"No sir, we don't stock the battle mat anymore."
"Oh, why is that?" I asked.
"GW in their infinite wisdom," (he said it in Dutch, but it had the same ring of resignation to it), "have chosen to discontinue it. We now sell a modular board set made from plastic. It's slightly more expensive though"

That sounded even better!
"Really? Cool. How much does that cost?"
"250 euros, sir."

WHAT THE FUCK???
Really????

So, for selling something for 250 euros, they feel obligated to discontinue something which cost 25 euros???
Do they actually inhabit the same world as I do?

Say you're a father with a son who wants to start playing Warhammer fantasy?
"Oh Paps," he'll say, "I have to have it. 250 euros for the board, 40 euros for paint, brushes and glue. 60 euros for a unit of orcs, 120 euros for 2 units of goblins, 30 units for a unit of goblin wolf riders, 60 euros for a couple of chariots and a kidney for a couple of heroes."

Is GW actively discouraging people from starting the game?
They've priced me out of the bloody market anyway. 30 euros for a box of 10 models... and you need units of 40...
It's complete madness.

A unit of 12 Celtic horsemen (which fit nicely in a Bretonnian army) costs 12.50 euros.
A unit of 40 mantic dwarves costs 30 euros.
A unit of 10 orc boar riders from mantic costs 20 euros.

Anybody buying GW stuff must be mad or rich.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on November 22, 2013, 07:00:54 AM
Or both.  :|
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on November 22, 2013, 07:02:14 AM
Too many still buy to the insane prices and the competition has so far not managed to get out a decent ruleset that hooked as many players.

There are loads of skirmish games out there but no mass battle system with as good a support, new toys and easy mechanics.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on November 22, 2013, 07:03:10 AM
Not counting Flames of War.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on November 22, 2013, 07:08:02 AM
Yes as a German I am not allowed to play WW 2 games. So there you go.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: shavixmir on November 22, 2013, 07:31:34 AM
Too many still buy to the insane prices and the competition has so far not managed to get out a decent ruleset that hooked as many players.

There are loads of skirmish games out there but no mass battle system with as good a support, new toys and easy mechanics.
Well, my skinny little German friend, my own game is nearly ready to be play-tested.

Interested?
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on November 22, 2013, 07:51:12 AM
Sure  :::cheers::: as long as I can field averagy humans with some steam punk gadgets into the war against some demons and monsters I am a happy camper.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: shavixmir on November 22, 2013, 08:00:50 AM
Sure  :::cheers::: as long as I can field averagy humans with some steam punk gadgets into the war against some demons and monsters I am a happy camper.
Demons, monsters and lots of average humans; yes.
Steam punk and black powder; no.

If you want, I can mail you the rule-set. I should have it prepared for proper testing within 2 weeks (including at least 6 different armies and how to build them).
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: MrDWhitey on November 22, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
What is this rules-set...

Also for a gaming mat plain felt can be good, especially if you have an airbrush to touch it up. I could quite easily get a 6x4 felt mat for £10. They do tend to wear after awhile, but the high quality felt will last years.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on November 22, 2013, 02:15:18 PM
Sure  :::cheers::: as long as I can field averagy humans with some steam punk gadgets into the war against some demons and monsters I am a happy camper.
Demons, monsters and lots of average humans; yes.
Steam punk and black powder; no.

If you want, I can mail you the rule-set. I should have it prepared for proper testing within 2 weeks (including at least 6 different armies and how to build them).

Sure thing I have a look....you should copyright it somehow before you send it out to random people though.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: shavixmir on November 22, 2013, 04:35:00 PM
Oh, I'm not sending out to random people.
No, I'm sending it to people I reckon I can trust. Or, at least, people I think I can murder should it become neccesary.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on November 22, 2013, 05:27:33 PM
I have gained weight....killing me by sitting on me won“t cut it any longer.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: MrDWhitey on November 22, 2013, 06:08:39 PM
I'm sending it to people I reckon I can trust.

Oh I'm out then.

Or, at least, people I think I can murder should it become neccesary.

And right back in!
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Grutch on November 22, 2013, 06:36:29 PM
Or both.  :|

I picked up new Lizardmen and High Elf armies this summer because a local game store went out of business and sold me the stuff at 50% off. 
I would never do this at full price.  In today's economy,  GW has passed the mark of sanity in pricing.  I doubt prices will ever go down,  they will just nosedive off the cliff and go bankrupt before they change anything. 

Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on November 25, 2013, 05:03:42 PM
I am lucky my gaming group has a GW fanboy who thinks everything is reasonably priced.  So hes bought, painted and flocked a full plastic gaming board which currently lives in my gaming room.

MrDWhitey has a very disturbing avatar.  I hate that clown.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: MrDWhitey on November 25, 2013, 05:13:06 PM
I recently found out my sister has a genuine terror of Pennywise from when she saw IT as a child. Like, freak out if she sees it anywhere terror.

I now know what she's getting for Christmas. Every year.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: oak_prince on November 25, 2013, 05:33:48 PM
The GW rollable grass mats were beautiful things. I'm glad I bought two before they were discontinued. They actually are machine-washable, too.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on November 25, 2013, 05:40:53 PM
I recently found out my sister has a genuine terror of Pennywise from when she saw IT as a child. Like, freak out if she sees it anywhere terror.

I now know what she's getting for Christmas. Every year.

You have a sister? The End truly is nigh.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: MrDWhitey on November 25, 2013, 05:43:03 PM
Two sisters, one brother.

Apparently I'm the odd one out...
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: patsy02 on December 01, 2013, 01:49:45 AM
Games Workshop produce the finest quality toy soldiers in the world.

And whitey, you're definitely a freak.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: GamesPoet on December 02, 2013, 04:14:56 PM
The GW rollable grass mats were beautiful things. I'm glad I bought two before they were discontinued. They actually are machine-washable, too.
Machine washable? :icon_eek:  You must be kidding. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Midaski on December 02, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
Machine washable? :icon_eek:  You must be kidding. :icon_lol:

Of course, but I would suggest a cool wash no more than 40degrees - and keep the spin down to under 1200 revs.
Fabric conditioner is also a must - my troops get really pissed off if the 'ground' is not soft enough.

 :closed-eyes:

Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Krudenwald on December 03, 2013, 02:19:22 AM
Oh, I'm not sending out to random people.
No, I'm sending it to people I reckon I can trust. Or, at least, people I think I can murder should it become neccesary.

You, sir, have been sigged.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on December 03, 2013, 08:43:07 AM
The GW rollable grass mats were beautiful things. I'm glad I bought two before they were discontinued. They actually are machine-washable, too.
Machine washable? :icon_eek:  You must be kidding. :icon_lol:

I would expect doing that to fill my washing machine with green hairs and leave none on the mat.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: shavixmir on December 03, 2013, 08:46:10 AM
Oh, I'm not sending out to random people.
No, I'm sending it to people I reckon I can trust. Or, at least, people I think I can murder should it become neccesary.

You, sir, have been sigged.
Sigged?
Is that a sexual act?
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Midaski on December 03, 2013, 08:55:04 AM
Sigged?
Is that a sexual act?

Only if you are in Oz and Sig is involved .......................  :engel:

Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Sig on December 03, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
I have a small baby who doesn't sleep, so there are currently no sexual acts with me involved.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: shavixmir on December 03, 2013, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: Sig link=topic=47
759.msg865019#msg865019 date=1386061500
I have a small baby who doesn't sleep, so there are currently no sexual acts with me involved.
Well, I can't say if you were involved or not, but I'm quite certain that, if there's a baby there, there were various sexual acts involved...
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Sig on December 03, 2013, 11:39:49 AM
Currently, good sir, currently.
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Midaski on December 03, 2013, 11:41:42 AM
Currently, good sir, currently.

Yes with good raisin too I suspect.   :engel:

I hope you are sharing duties with the Sultana too.

 :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on December 03, 2013, 12:58:20 PM
Currently, good sir, currently.

Yes with good raisin too I suspect.   :engel:

I hope you are sharing duties with the Sultana too.

 :closed-eyes:

I was going to say something like that Midaski!  :-)
Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: oak_prince on December 03, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
There was a thin ring of green hairs that had to be wiped off the inside of the machine, but the mat looked good-as-new when I took it out.

Title: Re: The Games Workshop battle mat
Post by: GamesPoet on December 03, 2013, 07:50:50 PM
Hmmm.

And Oak-Prince ... you might just have kept this thread from heading for the Back Table. :icon_lol: