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Title: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on April 30, 2018, 02:51:42 AM
Thanks to the venerable GP, I am off on another tangent. I did say that I was going to do this with different manufactures but try as I might, the deal gods of the gaming world are making it hard to find Viking or saxons ( the saxons I think I like better). Some good deals then the shipping sucks so Iíll move into this in a slightly different way. My old starter set still had 12 gunners (of which I will use 6) and 12 spearmen hiding out. A perfect 18  pts. The last bunch of swordsmen I bought were the newer kit. 10 never completed and the rest in my empire patchwork quilt. I just couldnít decide on a standard provincial colour. So 12 swords for 12 pts. Gives me 30 pts and a reduced hero for 6 points - yet another warrior priest. On the antagonist side - all creatures borrowed and otherwise unfinished Deamons. My ral partha trolls will make up a reduced 12 pts, 6 unfinished Deamons will be a reduced 12 pts, 2 rat ogres at 3 pts each and the blue scribes which canít seem to find a home in T9A lineup. They will be my 6 pt leader. 36 pts in all. Thus begins the temporary  dragon movement till I round up the guys I really want.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on April 30, 2018, 02:49:21 PM
The older empire figures are great!  That's where I started with Empire.

Are you into converting?  I took the first 16 spear guys, and swapped 12 of their heads for each figure to look different. If I recall, the handgunners are a bit more difficult to do that with, so be careful if ya go down that route with them.

As for doing a province, what do you have painted already, and what province are you interested in painting currently? I mostly tend to painting Averlanders, Marienburgers (different colors schemes), Wissenlanders (and maybe someday some Solanders), Stirlanders, Tileans (green, purple, and yellow, but maybe red & white too), and Matoreans (orange and blue).
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on April 30, 2018, 03:23:07 PM
Quote GP: and Matoreans (orange and blue).

This sounds appealing!  Suits my colour palate but I know nothing of the Maroreans. I will look for heads in my bits stuff. Hopefully there are some heads rolling about.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on April 30, 2018, 03:29:12 PM
I use the blue and orange swordsmen interchangeably for Matoreans (not assigned a color scheme by GW that I'm aware of currently), mercenaries, and a Marienburg merchant family.  Currently they are only primed, painted orange in places, and flesh for the skin, and so more work to do on them.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 01, 2018, 02:56:21 AM
Definite on the blue orange. No heads milling about. Lots of ork heads but I donít think that will work. Approaching this warband a little differently this time. Decided bases first and Iím out of primer so that helped the direction.
Thinking a paler blue possibly with the ratskin orange. I have both of those colours. Keep forgetting I only need 6 handgunners for this band but looks like Iíll notch it up 6 pts.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Zygmund on May 01, 2018, 06:15:17 AM
Splendid choice of minis! My absolute favourites among the Empire rank-and-file.  :-)

You say you don't have spare heads for head swaps. What you could do is carefully remove a couple of the Swordsmen heads and put them on the Pikemen/Handgunners, and then put the removed Pikemen/Handgunner heads back into the shoulders of the Swordsmen. So a real head swap. Would bring you variation.

I admire your energy. So much progress. I must have a dozen similar projects stalled on the shelf and in boxes, but at my pace it will be years to get them done. Long years to come up with new projects...  :roll:

-Z
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 01, 2018, 10:39:33 AM
Splendid choice of minis! My absolute favourites among the Empire rank-and-file.  :-)

You say you don't have spare heads for head swaps. What you could do is carefully remove a couple of the Swordsmen heads and put them on the Pikemen/Handgunners, and then put the removed Pikemen/Handgunner heads back into the shoulders of the Swordsmen. So a real head swap. Would bring you variation.

I admire your energy. So much progress. I must have a dozen similar projects stalled on the shelf and in boxes, but at my pace it will be years to get them done. Long years to come up with new projects...  :roll:

-Z

Thanks Zygmund!
That head swap is a great idea. I have some of these swordsman, 6 ed swordsman and some newer handgunners/crossbowmen that could stand some brain transplants. Itís funny the tunnel vision you can acquire in thinking something is done and untouchable because Ďitís doneí. That will be tonightís goal and maybe some primer.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 01, 2018, 11:55:36 AM
My idea was along the same lines as Zygmund, but only using the spearmen heads themselves for the spearmen and obtaining 16 different looking guys.  It is a bunch of head swapping, but it worked for me when I did my original 16 spearmen from the 6th edition starter set, like the ones you're showing us.

Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 01, 2018, 01:23:51 PM
My idea was along the same lines as Zymund, but only using the spearman heads themselves for the spearmen and obtaining 16 different looking guys.  It is a bunch of head swapping, but it worked for me when I did my original 16 spearmen from the 6th edition starter set, like the ones you're showing us.

Exactly! Thanks GP. The only thought that occurred was a bin of heads to choose from which didnít exist 😸
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 02, 2018, 02:01:35 AM
After some brain salad surgery.....
That was fun and turned out no one has the same head anymore. Lots of aspirin required. Forgot to pick up primer but probably didnít have enough time anyways.

Heads taken:
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Heads given:

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 03, 2018, 01:00:31 AM
Got em base coated. Need advice. GP came up with what I think is a splendid colour scheme of orange/blue.  I have 2 oranges - army painter lava and GW ratskin. I like the ratskin personally and I have 2 blues. Fang and fenresian. Iím leaning towards the lighter grey but some input would be great. Getting very ramped about this warband.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 03, 2018, 12:54:55 PM
Are there two oranges on those figures?

I like the darker blue, the lighter one looks too grey for my taste.  However, orange and grey could work.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 03, 2018, 01:21:22 PM
Are there two oranges on those figures?

I like the darker blue, the lighter one looks too grey for my taste.  However, orange and grey could work.

I only used the ratskin which I prefer. At first I wasnít sure of the dark but when I woke up this morning I liked it better. I agree GP and some highlighting will go a long way. Details should be fun too.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 03, 2018, 09:57:30 PM
Another question GP! Iím trying to decide what colours for the shields. The rim , field and lion face. For some reason Iím not getting a feeling and having a hard time. The swords are pretty unique so I can run with some differences but the round ones I think should be universal.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Gankom on May 03, 2018, 11:47:58 PM
I like the orange and grey myself. The darker blue is almost a bit to dark for my tastes, but maybe with a couple of highlights it wouldn't look quite that dark.

Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 04, 2018, 01:42:01 AM
I like the orange and grey myself. The darker blue is almost a bit to dark for my tastes, but maybe with a couple of highlights it wouldn't look quite that dark.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Did some highlighting to brighten it a bit. I havnt painted empire in ages and forgot how many tubs of paint you need to go thru. I still need to find some patience with waiting for washes to dry. I always hit them to soon as can be seen with this group that are so ugly I would say even their own mothers couldnít love them.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 04, 2018, 05:06:45 AM
Another question GP! Iím trying to decide what colours for the shields. The rim , field and lion face. For some reason Iím not getting a feeling and having a hard time. The swords are pretty unique so I can run with some differences but the round ones I think should be universal.
The shield shown could look good in white with orange and blue ribbon across the front.  That'd require some patience too. :icon_wink:

When we're rushing to get a certain look, we might not get it.  Go slow, consider, and then act.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 04, 2018, 10:57:58 AM
I like 👆
The ribbon may be a challenge for sure. Maybe blue rim. But I really like the white orange. Gonna wip something up tonight.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Xathrodox86 on May 04, 2018, 01:30:29 PM
Always nice to see some more Empire love. I'll be watching this project with keen interest. :happy:
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 05, 2018, 02:40:12 AM
Wonít let a little thing like my hydro pole being ripped of the house at the beginning of a weekend by 110 km winds stop the progress. Tree down, soffit and roof slightly missing. No word from hydro about repairs. No, the show must go on. Iím not wasting my night peering into the darkness and I donít feel like reading at the moment when the next tree to come down is a 150í poplar and that should land  on the other half of the house. What to do? Paint. Flash of the camera hides the led spotlight.

Started the shields.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 05, 2018, 04:10:43 AM
Shields are pretty much done. May add some highlights tomorrow.
Maybe a few more touch ups. Pics bring out some wonderous crap sometimes

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 05, 2018, 02:51:53 PM
Might be good to use a brown wash over the lion heads and then highlight with the original orange.  The wash will flow into things like the eye sockets, and give the shields more overall definition.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 05, 2018, 04:45:04 PM
I have some original brown GW wash as well. Will hit it later today
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 05, 2018, 05:40:36 PM
It could be tricky getting the wash to not flow onto the white.  Go slowly. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 05, 2018, 05:52:26 PM
It could be tricky getting the wash to not flow onto the white.  Go slowly. :icon_wink:

No choice but slowly. Everything in the dark and no power. Check out unhappy random for complete details lol.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 05, 2018, 05:54:42 PM
You've got me wanting to paint!  And I'm thinking my Matorean's shields will also have a white field.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 05, 2018, 06:34:06 PM
Yay!! One good turn deserves another 😸
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 05, 2018, 11:44:47 PM
About as uch touch up as I can handle 😺
Shields finished (I think)
Next handful of 8 started. Had to move upstairs for actual light till it runs out. Looks like I may not see power for a few days. Another 4000 people going thru the same thing. I may continue a bit but this light thing is a pain.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 06, 2018, 03:26:44 PM
I love how these are coming out.  The shields look very good!

Only comment is to next time try thinning out the white paint with water a little bit more because it will give a smoother look to them.

I also like how the figures are looking side by side like that.  It make me want to paint. :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 06, 2018, 04:05:32 PM
I love how these are coming out.  The shields look very good!

Only comment is to next time try thinning out the white paint with water a little bit more because it will give a smoother look to them.

I also like how the figures are looking side by side like that.  It make me want to paint. :::cheers:::

Thanks GP!
Good point about the white. It does look a bit globby. I am super enjoying the colour scheme here and finding it much easier to paint as opposed to red and white. I actually did more colours yesterday till the light was gone. I might have that bunch finished today.

Just ebayíd a bunch of 1/32 scale coldstream, scots Guard and mounted lifeguard. Should have about $150 to put back into the hobby. Vanguard or saxons? That wish list on lion rampant just seemed to get closer.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Gankom on May 08, 2018, 05:21:43 PM
I just got reliable power back, so I'm catching up a bit.

I think everything looks great. The blue and orange is turning out very well.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 10, 2018, 02:12:21 AM
Thanks Gankom! Just got my power back on too. Therefore......Paint!
Some more  Matoreans.
Edit: forgot to highlight blue/orange on the latest.


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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 12, 2018, 12:58:38 AM
Some more WIP

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Gankom on May 12, 2018, 04:45:40 PM
Looking pretty sweet! The colors turned out nicely.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 13, 2018, 07:35:30 PM
Looking pretty sweet! The colors turned out nicely.

Thanks Gankom! Iím almost done with the spider obsession. When the riders are done, itís back to these joes.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 16, 2018, 03:53:03 AM
Swordsmen of the warband done except some touch ups. They also trapped my 2 big bosses on there new spiders. 

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 16, 2018, 01:03:54 PM
I have my Matorean swordsmen and handgunners out on a piece of foam board and they are now begging me to complete them.  Again.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 18, 2018, 01:48:27 AM
I have my Matorean swordsmen and handgunners out on a piece of foam board and they are now begging me to complete them.  Again.

Do it! (After the French ww1 😸)

Decided to change out the leader with an engineer that was mucking about without orders. Realized afterword heís on a small base. Curses!

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They a few colours on the rest of the team. Might complete them tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 19, 2018, 01:00:46 AM
The Matorean 1st Company. Warband complete I think. Now on to there deamon/ creature antithesis.
A rugged group of vets I beleive. They will need to be to face whatís coming.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Gankom on May 20, 2018, 06:28:20 PM
Looking fantastic! I like the bases.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 21, 2018, 02:34:45 AM
Thanks Gankom!
Here is the bad guys brigade. Borrowing some random creatures from other armyís but they make a mean team. All I did to these guys was fix up their bases. The blue scribes found their way here because I could not find a spot for them in T9A. So they got the round base treatment. The deamon host is just pure fun but I think their bite will be worse than their bark.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 22, 2018, 02:21:55 AM
The bad boys brigade are done. 39 points and 40 for the Matoreans. Full warbands to launch at each otherís throats. Next up my first dragon rampant game. Iím actually feeling bad for the matoreans. I hope their up for it but according to their fluff, their swordsmen are equal to any empire and their spearmen are quite adept.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 24, 2018, 07:09:14 AM
Looks good all lined up in that last picture there. :icon_biggrin: :::cheers:::

By the way, I picked up a copy of Dragon Rampant from a flea market table at the Huzzah! gaming convention last weekend, looks good!
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 24, 2018, 10:00:23 AM
Looks good all lined up in that last picture there. :icon_biggrin: :::cheers:::

By the way, I picked up a copy of Dragon Rampant from a flea market table at the Huzzah! gaming convention last weekend, looks good!

Thanks GP! This accomplishement rests squarely on your shoulders 😸
I think I want a hard copy of the book as well. This weekend Iím going to have a round and see how it works out ! Iíll keep you informed.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Xathrodox86 on May 25, 2018, 01:05:12 PM
Positively freaky! I was always a fan of the old-school horrors. Such great models. :blush:
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on May 25, 2018, 01:07:07 PM
Looks good all lined up in that last picture there. :icon_biggrin: :::cheers:::

By the way, I picked up a copy of Dragon Rampant from a flea market table at the Huzzah! gaming convention last weekend, looks good!
Thanks GP! This accomplishement rests squarely on your shoulders 😸
I think I want a hard copy of the book as well. This weekend Iím going to have a round and see how it works out ! Iíll keep you informed.
Looks like a "men of the west" grouping is in store for your Matoreans?
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on May 26, 2018, 11:08:24 PM
Positively freaky! I was always a fan of the old-school horrors. Such great models. :blush:

Thanks Xath!  I really love these guys as well. Had some fun with bright colours. Nothing like something that looks bright and fun that can rip your head off and make you dance in a magical fire. What a great party guest 😸
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on June 04, 2018, 12:56:03 AM
Found a few converts to the bad boys brigade. 6 goblin riders from the LotR line. They will make a good 12 point (2 ea) unit of cavalry.
I can match these with my imperial knights as cavalry to balance. Just thought of that while writing. That gives me another stretch goal 😺 Also in DR there are units for monsters/creatures. Some old cold ones can come out to play. A place for everything.

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Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Xathrodox86 on June 06, 2018, 11:10:26 AM
The Fat Ones are my favorite Cold Ones of all time. Can't wait to see 'em painted! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on October 18, 2018, 05:02:00 PM
Hey Artoban ... did you see the Forgotten World kickstarter campaign?

These boxes make units of 6 or 12 (or even 18 in some cases, the rabbles and zombies).  Perfect for Dragon Rampant! :icon_mrgreen:

Here is a link ... only a few hours remaining ...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireforgegames/forgotten-world-fantasy-figures-for-wargames-and-r/description
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on October 19, 2018, 12:02:18 AM
Thanks GP!
Love the northerners. Unfortunately I wonít be in a state to buy until December or January if all goes well.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Il Condottiero on November 27, 2018, 11:01:41 PM
Outstanding work!

Say, where could I read some more about these Matoreans? I was about to denounce thee a heretic and a consort to daemons before thinking that could be a misunderstanding and you don't meant to field them together *at the same side*... right? XD
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Artobans Ghost on November 28, 2018, 01:04:18 AM
HA!👆 thank you very much!
Not heretical thankfully 😸
I was putting them together as foes.  I planned to get the ral partha shaman an leader trolls plus another stone thrower to fill out that unit and all those spare tzeentch Deamons left over from my deamon army. I have a bunch of empire knights as well.  Getting stoked again to get this on the road after getting so close.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: GamesPoet on November 28, 2018, 01:22:28 AM
Matorea is a town in the Border Princes.

I've been using it as the port where my Olde World fluff family with the last name of Mardonia bases their fleet of ships from that I've had in various on-line campaigns.  There is some fluff regarding some of the Mardonia family as part of this thread ...

 http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=52632.0\

Currently to represent them on the table top, I have a unit of swordsmen, and a unit of handgunners, and they dress in blue and orange.

There is also some limited mention of Matorea on MadAlfred's site, along with a good bit of info on the Border Princes as a whole.

Artoban has taken the place name into the world of Dragon Rampant and/or AoS.
Title: Re: Dragon Rampant
Post by: Il Condottiero on November 28, 2018, 01:59:50 PM
Ah, very nice!

I mean, I've been through some Border Princes material and the name hadn't rung any bells to me, but what a nice little thing to do.

Back when I was still doing Chaos Dwarfs I did the same with Zharr Naggrund - if the Lizardmen can fly off their pyramids, why couldn't the Chaos Dwarfs, through Shadow magic, snatch their own ziggurats away? :) Standing between the Realms of Fire and Shadow, there stood mighty Zaramuskharaz' Citadel. It was a nice way to keep up with my favorite OCs into the new setting, although I am more unto Ogres and Chaos Mortals there days over there.

Painting Orange can be tricky, in my experience. They are looking pretty great, Artoban!

My current Dragon Rampant foes are Chaos Warriors lead by Crom the Conqueror, as well as pals' Perry Plastics XVth century fiefdoms and some other Imperials as well. XD