Warhammer-Empire.com

The Empire at War => WHFB The Electors' Forum => Topic started by: KTG17 on May 10, 2019, 07:22:07 PM

Title: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 10, 2019, 07:22:07 PM
Hi everyone, new to the site. I literally stumbled on it for the first time today searching for Warhammer terrain and was led to the thread of people showing off their work and was blown away.

So this is going to be a long post but I thought I would share what I am doing and where I am at, because while I have been aware of WFB for a long time (long 40k fan), I never got into it and only started buying stuff for it when GW killed Warhammer and moved on to Sigmar. I actually have lost interest in 40k too. I am just not thrilled with what direction GW is taking these days, so I guess I am reaching back into the past and are amazed at what I missed.

I started by picking up mint copies of the 6th Edition, 7th Edition Battle for Skull Pass, and 8th Edition Island of Blood starter sets. I really didn't know any difference between the versions of the rules, and I am a sucker for starter sets, so I hunted those down and thought I would mess around with them until I figured out which I liked. I don't have many friends who play these games, let alone collect, so typically if I can get one to play I have to provide everything. So I would base what I would collect around the starter armies from these sets.

Well, it didn't take me long before I was blown away by 6th Edition, and how comprehensive the rulebook was (with Skirmish, Siege, etc). I had a variety of ways to play with the same miniatures! I also picked up Mordhiem (which I had previously but never did anything with and foolishly got rid of), and fell in love with the era even more. With the Best of Town Cyrer, I now had rules for warbands for all the armies from Warhammer Fantasy, so even more to explore. I picked up the General's Compendium as well and an annual or two. Its obvious there was a lot of love for 6th Edition at the time just for the sheer amount of stuff GW released for it. The editions after do not look like they got the same love and attention as 6th did. Maybe nicer models though.

But what really did it for me with 6th is Ravening Hordes. I didn't even know it existed until after I got all the starter sets, and when I found I had rules for just about every mini I now had, it kind of sealed things for me. I really didn't want to hunt down all of the army books (especially for each edition), or worry about power creep, and most importantly, complicated rules for the few times I play a game with a friend and I keep having to go back and refer to special rules. So this also means, if it isn't in Ravening Hordes, I don't buy it or plan on playing it. (with once exception below)

So sticking with the starter armies in those sets, and adding a wizard, extra character or unit here an there, I had six armies with each about 700 points. I was told by some veterans those armies were simply too small for WFB, but I explained that I wanted variety and to expand on the number of armies rather than put all my money into a few armies. I wasn't thrilled about painting up 20 Empire Spearmen if I could just do 10. I could give 10 my best but 20 would involve me cutting corners. But I also started looking at the old Battalion sets on Ebay and before long I was buying them, adding a unit here and there with some heros, and the next thing I knew I had about 1000 points from them, so I went back and bumped my original 700 point armies to 1000 as well.

So all last year and the beginning of this year I managed to accumulate:

Empire (from 6th Starter) plus some extras like Knights, Wizard, Swordsmen.
Orcs (from 6th Starter) plus some extras like Black Orcs and Shaman.
Dwarfs (from 7th Starter) plus Longbeards and Ironbreakers.
Goblins (from 7th Starter) plus a couple of Bolt Throwers. Still need some more to buy here I know. Might just pull from my starter Orcs.
High Elves (from 7th Starter) plus Spearmen and Repeater Bolt Thrower.
Skaven (from 7th Starter) plus Stormvermin and I might get a couple more units as I love the Skaven. Maybe a Doomwheel.

But then, I got:

Lizardmen Battalion - I had no idea how nice these models were going to be and I fell in love with the set the minute I opened the box. I added a Saurus Hero and Skink Shaman. I love the Slann model even tho I can't play them with armies this small, but I will probably end up getting him some day. But the Battalion had just about everything I needed for a 1000 point army.

Wood Elf Battalion - I got this set honestly because it was cheap, but reading more into them I fell in love with them. I am a big nature guy, and I love the Dryads and so forth, and I can't wait to really built these guys. They are not a conventional army I am used to playing so its nice to have them. Added a Commander, Mage, and using a box of Eternal guys as Glade Guard since RH doesn't have rules for them.

Chaos Warrior Battalion - This was a must and I got it for a good price. Added some bits to make a Champion out of one of the warriors, then a sorcerer and a Chaos Chariot. Really like this set. Oozes bad-ass.

Daemon Host - I got this, not sure what to do with it. Daemons are expensive in RH and I actually can't even field everything that comes in the box in a 1000 point game. Will come back to this some day.

Bretonnian Battalion - Yes, I got this, yes I paid big money for it. And to be honest, I wasn't even that big on the Bretonnians. I felt I already had a human army with the Empire, and I thought they were too historical looking for fantasy. But once I got the models I fell in love with them. Picked up some old mounted Squires and and a wizard to round out the army. Love this set.

Beastmen Battalion - I got these because like the Wood Elves they were fairly cheap, but I wasn't prepared for how much I would like them. I really, really like these guys. I think they are more Chaos-y than the Chaos Warriors themselves. I picked up not only a Beastman Hero and Shaman, but also a box of plastic Minotaurs which are awesome. Round out this army using the Chaos Hounds that came with the Warriors set to make 1000 points. At least for now. I thought about hunting down some Harpies. Let me know what you guys think.

Dark Elf Battalion - Like many of the other sets, I was surprised how much I would love these guys. Online pics just don't show off the detail these models have, since they are painted so dark. I picked up a Sorcerer and that was pretty much all I needed, but I also sprung for a Repeater Bolt Thrower too I will swap out a unit for at times. I like the Dark Elves so much I want to expand on them just for the sake of having, like the Dark Riders and Black Dragon, even if I will never play a game big enough to use it.

Vampire Count Battalion - I have the set with the red armor Vampire on the cover, and I love that pic. The set though comes up light. I do not have rules for the Corpse Cart in RH so I am going to try and convert it into a Black Coach. But I don't need it because I also picked up the Grave Guard, Bat Swarm, and more importantly plastic Dire Wolves which seem hard to find. Oh, and of course a Vampire and Necromancer too. Its not my favorite set but what is Warhammer without Vampires?

Tomb King Battalion - I will be honest here, I do not like any kind of historical references in Warhammer so I felt the Tomb Kings were just too Egyptian to me, but once I got the set, I was impressed with the models. The set comes with 40 Skeletons so I divided them up to make 20 warriors, 10 bowmen, and the last 10 to be converted into Tomb Guard. All I had to do to complete this set was add a Liche Priest and Tomb Lord, which I did.

And finally, The Ogre Kingdom Battalion - I know they are not in RH, but I am making an exception here using their 6th edition army book because I love these guys. The Battalion set didn't come with any Gobnars like the older set did, which is fine as they made up for it with more Ogres. I hunted down two sets of Gobnar regiments only to discover I only had enough points left to field one. But that is okay, because I want the extra Gobnars to be available down the road for when I get down to collecting a Chaos Dwarf army, since they ARE in Ravening Hordes, where I will refer to them as hobgoblins. Oh, I did get a Ogre Bruiser for a general.

I also picked up several sets of the modular movement trays and the Fortified Manor set. Also picked up 3 sets of Citadel Wood, and a nice stone looking bridge I think comes from the Bolt Action (?) game. I got it used so not sure. Hope to find more stuff to spice up my table.

So yes, that's where I stand now. I am sure many of you doubt this story but it true. I have been at it for about a year and was pretty obsessive getting to this point. But I am finally here and can take my time. I have started assembling what came in the starter sets and will move on to the others as I finish. I expect it all to take some dozen years at the rate I move lol.

Anyway, the reason for posting all this is that I wanted to say how I am really envious of you guys who have been involved with this game over the years and think you are really lucky to have gotten to play it while it was in its peak. I hate Sigmar, but at the same time can understand why GW went the direction they did. But it isn't fantasy as I am used to, and it's too over the top. WFB 6th, with its grit, is a lot like Games of Thrones with villages to be defended and monsters to kill. I am really having a blast exploring all this, even though I am really late to the party.

Will share my army lists in the future to knock for being too small!

Thanks for reading!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on May 10, 2019, 08:11:32 PM
Welcome to this wonderful hobby, and welcome to W-E! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on May 12, 2019, 09:18:02 AM
Ah, obsession!

Been there myself - and I guess I'm still there - so very easy to believe this story.  :-)

You're certainly in good company here.  :icon_lol:

Please show your progress!

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Gankom on May 13, 2019, 02:32:51 PM
Welcome to the forum! Your a fine addition to the hobby and the board. I'm very interested to see how your stuff comes along. Never despair either. There's more people then you think out there still playing the old stuff.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 13, 2019, 05:20:56 PM
Thanks everyone!

I was assembling all sorts of random stuff, but I have decided to focus by starting with the armies I got first, so starting with finishing my Empire army and working my way to the most recent. Orcs will be next.

My Empire army list (based on Ravening Hordes):

Captain (as my General) - 50
 + Sword of Might - 20
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Pistol - 7
 + Shield - 2
 + Warhorse - 10
 + Barding - 4
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Captain - 50
 + Sword of Swift Slaying - 25
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Pistol - 7
 + Shield - 2
 + Warhorse - 10
 + Barding - 4

Battle Wizard - 60
 + Ring of Volans - 30
 + Power Stone - 20
 + Warhorse - 10

Knightly Order (5) - 120
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Spearmen (10) - 70
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Handgunners (10) - 80
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Swordmen(10) - 70
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Great Cannon - 100

Mortar - 80

So total is about 985 at the moment so have some points I can play with. I probably should have more troops, but I am using blocks of 10 for human and Orc sized figures and 20 for the smaller like Goblins and Skaven.  Essentially using the 7th and 8th starter sets as guides. Not trying to build a power army, just get the most out of the figures I have. I ended up getting some duplicates in some lot auctions so that is why I have a second captain and a mortar for example. Might as well use them than sink more points into more troops.

I have some questions about the Empire:

The patterns on their shields... are they basically representing the regiment? The models all come with different shields with different designs on them. I wasn't sure if these represent a particular city in the Empire or a regiment themselves.

Also, I had the OLDER State Trooper sprues to make my swordsmen, and on the sprues were these two pouch looking things. I couldn't see them being used in any of the official GW studio models, so I am not sure what to do with them. The kinda look like they might be something that goes on the waist to protect the crouch or butt area. I tired to upload a pic from my phone but the image is too big.

Found them online!

(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images3/1/0416/24/oop-empire-state-troops-sprues-bits_1_9c9a31352b9ed8ef40e8ff1d89ef2bca.jpg)

They are the last two pieces on the bottom right... any idea what these are for?

Actually while I am at it, what is the thing above them? A canteen?

And, is there any significance with the feathers? Just deco or do they mean something?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on May 13, 2019, 05:25:13 PM
Yep, they hang off the hip as linked plates of armor.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 13, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
Off the hip? Like on either side?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Midaski on May 13, 2019, 05:47:46 PM

They are the last two pieces on the bottom right... any idea what these are for?


They are called 'tassets' and were to protect the upper thighs.
It was one of the annoying things in that kit that there wasn't enough of them to upgrade all the figures.
The soldiers kit was 6th Edition and you could use them to signify a 'Light Armour' status for your soldier.

It was quite easy though to create a mould and reproduce them in numbers in greenstuff.

You can see that there is a Left and a Right one - they should almost touch at the top near where the buckle on a belt would be, and 'frame' the codpiece.
Google 'tassets' for images



Actually while I am at it, what is the thing above them? A canteen?


Yep - one of the first 'kit extras' that appeared, nowadays you get all sorts of accessories to individualise your men.
This was useful as an extra adornment - I have some on my 40K Imperial Guard as well.

Oh and the feathers are just for adding to some of the heads as you feel necessary - maybe to make your command group look fancier, or just to make some troopers different.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on May 14, 2019, 08:19:04 AM
Regarding unit sizes, considering 6th edition had ranks of 4, consider units in regards to how many ranks they are including adding characters. Also don’t be misled - humans and orcs are not elite units, and are much closer to goblins and skaven than you would think. i think units of 10 for elves, dwarves, saurus, and chaos warriors are fine. For human soldiers not so much. Aim for a 4x4 block of 16 at a minimum, if not going up to 20. Orcs might be able to stay at the 16 size, but humans should probably go up to 20 as skaven basically have the same statline.

For empire, you would also want to consider using detachments - one of our key strengths, and you will need a unit of 20 to get one or two detachments of 10. Again, this isn’t about making a power list, but just a list that won’t automatically lose against armies with superior killing power.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 14, 2019, 05:25:58 PM
Well, I am trying to keep it simple, cost effective, and trying to avoid going down the rabbit hole with all the army books and special rules. As I mentioned in my OP that I am hosting 99% of the time, so I am trying to fulfill the desire to do the hobby and be able to play some easy, straight forward games. Blocks of 10 and 20 might work for some and not others, I know, but many of the <expansion> sets I am buying come in blocks or those. So rather than trying to dig up extra figures here and there, I am just going to keep them as they come.

The detachment thing I am aware of as well, but that involves using the Empire Army book and and then god knows what else special rules. If I were playing against you guys then sure, I would prob need to overhaul my armies. But in this case I am just trying to field some cool armies with some variety that aren't too complicated to play. Hence Ravening Hordes.

I am making an exception for the Ogre Kingdoms tho. Since they don't appear in RH I am using their book with some minor tweaks. I'll get to those guys in oh... about two years lol.

BTW, speaking of Orcs, here is my plan for them. I need advice at the end.

Big Boss (General) - 65
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Boar - 12
 + Bronze Axe - 50

Shaman - 65
 + Badum Staff - 50

Big Boss - 65
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Ogre Blade - 40

Black Orcs (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Boyz (10) - 50
 + Extra Choppa - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Boyz (10) - 50
 + Spears - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Arrer Boyz (10) - 50
 + Bows - 40
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Chariot - 80

Troll - 50

Bolt Thrower - 30

Total comes to about 993.

I know the Troll should be in a unit of at least 3, but I needed to fill in some points and I got him from the 7th Starter set. Figured it wouldnt be a big deal. However, I feel like I have a lot of foot units and was wondering if I should hunt down a box of 5 Boar Boys and fit them in here. I don't know much about them, but just about all of my other armies have some kind of cavalry. I was initially just building armies to match what was in the other starter sets, which came to about 700 points, so I thought just having a single chariot would be fine, but now with 1000 points, it feels like a single chariot wouldn't have much of an impact. Not crazy about building another on of them either.

What do you guys think?

EDIT: At Warlord's suggestion I did pick up a unit of Boar Boyz, so I adjusted my army.

Removed the Troll (-50) and Bolt Thrower (-30).

The second Big Boss (65) now has a Biting Blade (10), Light Armor (2), and Shield (2).

The Orc Boys with Spears no longer have spears (-20).

And added the Boar Boyz (85)
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Army is now at 995 points.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on May 14, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
I understand about the detachment thing. I will check Ravening Hordes. I still think my feedback to keep human troops to size 16-20 is relevant though.

Have you built the goblin army? I guesd it would be interesting to see what point size you can get to with them? The bolt thrower and troll fit them better too themstically and to boost their strength potential otherwise they would also be fighting uphill against most armies.

Boar boys are great in 6th edition from memory. They will add more threat and reduce the need for random bolt thrower and troll...

As a sidenote, I have 5 I was planning to list on ebay at some point, basically a collection of bits using the champion sprue plastic legs and 6th edition boar bodies.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 15, 2019, 12:30:58 AM
I have the Goblin army from the Battle for Skull Pass, but other than buying the Bolt Thrower (which the Orcs we’re borrowing too), I haven’t done much with them. Presently in order to field a 1000 point army I have to borrow some Orcs, which just doesn’t feel right. Not sure what to do about them as I know Goblins are cheap and I don’t want to paint 300 of them.

As far as your Boar Boy bitz, I actually have many of those parts and compared them with the Boar Boyz Set I was watching on eBay, and I felt the variety of the models in the official boar boy set gave me some more character. Like the standard and musician especially. I actually bought the Orc Boyz set that came with options for spears or swords because the back of the box showed a different banner than I already had, only to find the same warboss/standard/drummer sprue that came in the 6th edition starter set.  :icon_mad:  I really want a variety of standards to add character to my units. So that being said your post did convince me to buy the set I was watching so I am now the proud owner of a Boar Boyz unit. This means they will be replacing the troll and bolt thrower and some other items, but I agree with you those do belong with the Goblins. And honestly what’s an Orc warband without Boar Boyz? I should have known better.

Trying to watch costs though!

Thanks for your input!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on May 15, 2019, 01:37:40 AM
Regarding banners, check out the Ogre banner, and the beastmen Gors banner.
Or use the bull head top and make a paper banner like they used to in 5th edition.
That said, the banner top with the bull head is a great conversion piece for a champion or character as a helmet.

Glad I could convince you of the Boar Boys.

Regarding Goblins, I saw you bought Gnoblars for your Ogres, but had a spare unit - you could consider making snotlings out of them, and also consider some snotling pump wagons. I assume they are in Ravening Hordes?

Consider if you can, adding squigs (are they in Ravening Hordes?) and fanatics to your model collection. Fanatics could even be easy to convert - some of the BfBfP goblins can have their spears chopped off, and if you have any ball and chains (such as in the Chaos Marauder box or the old Darkelf warrior box there is a piece too) you can use those.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 15, 2019, 02:15:17 AM
Yes I had put the Snotling Pump Wagon on my interest list (it is in RH) but it’s a Rare choice and I already have that slot filled with the Spider Riders that came in that Starter set. Not sure how good either is tho, although I am guessing the Spider Riders might be more reliable. But the pump wagon looks like a fun model.

Question: On eBay I am seeing two different sets of WFB counters. One comes in a red tin with paper counters I can’t make sense of (can’t zoom in well enough) and the other has plastic pieces and comes with come kind of tracker. Combat resolution tracker? Both are pretty inexpensive and I was wondering if they were worth getting. I am not playing big battles but if one or the other will help with reminders I am up for getting either. Anyone have these?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on May 16, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
Of course. I pulled out my copy of Ravening Hordes and had a peak today. You already have the spiders so use those.  :engel:

Regarding the counters, I am not sure / can’t remember having seen such a set.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Midaski on May 16, 2019, 12:29:08 PM
Regarding the counters, I am not sure / can’t remember having seen such a set.

Was it the one in gold plastic - I think there were measuring and arc devices as well?
Round gold markers?

 (https://miniset.net/files/set/gw-99220299031-0.jpg)

(http://www.wargamestore.com/images/P/wtemplate-01.jpg)

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 16, 2019, 12:53:34 PM
Hi, yes the top picture there is one of the ones I was talking about. The other this one:

(http://collector-info.com/Manufacturer/GAW/GAWWFB/GAWWFB00/IMG/GAWWFB%2099220299021%20(65-27)%20-%20Counter%20Set%20[Box]%201A.jpg)

(http://collector-info.com/Manufacturer/GAW/GAWWFB/GAWWFB00/IMG/GAWWFB%2099220299021%20(65-27)%20-%20Counter%20Set%20[Box]%201B.jpg)

There look like two different ones were made.

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/163670935154_/Warhammer-Fantasy-Battles-Counter-Set.jpg)

Any idea what that gold compass-looking thing is in the gold set?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 16, 2019, 03:58:37 PM
Also I have a question about Halberds and Shields in 6th edition and Ravening Hordes.

State Troops with Halberds come with hand weapon, Shields, and Halberds. Halberds require two hands in close combat, so they can’t use their shields while using them. So does this assume they can use them while being fired upon with ranged weapons? I assume there also might be cases where a player might pass using the Halberds and use the hand weapon and shield instead if they wanted better protection in a round of combat? Is that allowed?

Tomb Guard are also armed this way and it seems reasonable that this was done to make them flexible troops, but I see many examples of those models with shields whereas the Halberd models I see typically don’t have shields. Not even slung over their backs, which is something I would do.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on May 17, 2019, 06:06:00 AM
Also I have a question about Halberds and Shields in 6th edition and Ravening Hordes.

State Troops with Halberds come with hand weapon, Shields, and Halberds. Halberds require two hands in close combat, so they can’t use their shields while using them. So does this assume they can use them while being fired upon with ranged weapons?

Yes.

Quote
I assume there also might be cases where a player might pass using the Halberds and use the hand weapon and shield instead if they wanted better protection in a round of combat? Is that allowed?

Yes.

Quote
Any idea what that gold compass-looking thing is in the gold set?

The one semi-circle with an arrow? I think it is put on the corner of a unit to determine the front/flank/rear arc. Can be used to see if the unit sees an enemy unit, or if an enemy unit can charge the unit flank, etc.

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on May 17, 2019, 08:02:26 AM
I assume there also might be cases where a player might pass using the Halberds and use the hand weapon and shield instead if they wanted better protection in a round of combat? Is that allowed?

As Zygmund sayd that is allowed in 6th edition, but you do need to make that choice at the start of a close combat and stick to it until that close combat has completely ended.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 17, 2019, 12:20:43 PM
The one semi-circle with an arrow? I think it is put on the corner of a unit to determine the front/flank/rear arc. Can be used to see if the unit sees an enemy unit, or if an enemy unit can charge the unit flank, etc.

Ahh... yes. I can see that now. Many thanks. I just picked up that gold set that includes that off eBay.


As Zygmund sayd that is allowed in 6th edition, but you do need to make that choice at the start of a close combat and stick to it until that close combat has completely ended.

Ok so if they start out with the Halberds, they have to finish with them.

Seems odd they would be the same point costs as regular swordsmen then, since they have more options. Same with Spearmen.

Also, still have a pending question about designs on shields. Should my whole army be using the same design? Or would these differ between regiment? Or even if I had two units of Swordsmen, would they have the same pattern, or be different?

Like I have some shields that are plain with a choice of symbols to put on them. I have enough different symbols to give each unit their own one. But if they are in the same army, should they all be the same?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on May 17, 2019, 02:17:52 PM
In the 6th and 7th edition, Swordsmen were the superior choice.

Historically, an army at the time of the Holy Roman Empire in the 16th century would not be "uniform."  Such an army would mainly consist of Landsknechte for hire and levies from various (semi-)feudal lords. Landsknechte bought their own gear, which was very colourful and indiosyncratic, while units in the service of a lord would be normally equipped by their lord, and thus be a bit more uniform and carry his colours.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 17, 2019, 02:55:08 PM
Wow I never heard of those guys and are enjoying reading up on them. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on May 17, 2019, 04:35:39 PM
If you rummage through The History of the Empire as Depicted in the Art of the Time (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=47520.0), you''ll find some contemporary pictures.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 18, 2019, 12:47:19 AM
Holy crap FvS, that thread is awesome and a ton to digest. Will have to read through it when I have some more time.

In the meantime, inspired by what I have read and seen of the Lanksknechte, I managed to scrounge up enough bits to make a unit of 10 Halberds with Champion, Standard, and Musician (got to love those lot purchases - glad I saved everything I didn’t think I needed). The best part is I have a bunch of heads with caps and lots of extra feathers so I am really going to pimp these guys out like I have seen in some pics. I didn’t really go nuts with my other units so I am excited about doing these guys up.

Wreaths. Knights have them on their shields. My knight spruces came with extras. Are these limited to Knights? If so where else would I put them? Can any of these go on a Spearman or Swordsman Champion or Standard?

Thanks for all the help guys, I am really pumped about my little Empire army.

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on May 18, 2019, 07:46:45 AM
Wreaths. Knights have them on their shields. My knight spruces came with extras. Are these limited to Knights? If so where else would I put them? Can any of these go on a Spearman or Swordsman Champion or Standard?

I think one or two character sprues also have a wreath, and some character heads too. The miniature designers obviously thought that these were a thing for nobility. But naturally, you can put them wherever you want. They could be laurels to adorn a guard unit or a unit that has performed very well in combat.

About the shield designs, I would say that most commoner units had such designs they could afford, using their unit colours or the colours of their sponsoring lord. Yet even some infantry shields could be very ornate and have beautiful art, maybe to depict the individuality of the soldier, or the skills in his family. Most animal emblems had a clear meaning in heraldry. So a heraldic animal (bull, eagle) could either refer to the city/province coat of arms, or to the unit achievements, or even to individual achievements of a soldier.

If you look at the shields in the knight set, you can see there are two themes: the Reiksguard knights, with skulls and laurels, and the Panther knights, obviously with panthers or panther heads. There are four shields of each theme per sprue. So you have thematic uniformity, yet some individuality.

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Gankom on May 18, 2019, 04:12:38 PM
That Art History thread truly is a treasure on this board. I have a read through it every few months just to look at the pictures.

For the wreaths, both the individual bit and the shield, I've given them to my unit champions before. I've used it in my fluff to signal bravery, rewards, characters with a bit of backstory or noble origins, etc. Your imagination is the limit.

At one point I started work on a unit of swordsmen that were going to be the household guard for one of my Nobles (Captain model) that couldn't afford greatswords. They were all pimped out with wreaths, the best shields, fancy swords, etc.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 18, 2019, 11:58:13 PM
Outstanding, so I will dress up the champions a little adding a wreath on some. Not all I don’t want to over do it. Also on the shields, I hadn’t planned on it, but I am def going to customize many of them as suggested. Not quite like the Knights shields, but since I will be mounting some symbol on the shield, I think I will make some slight variations in the colors behind or around them. Maybe add some checkers or some small crest in a corner. I hadn’t thought of going that deep into the colors for these guys, but I figure each of my units only have 10 figures I might as well try to make them stand out.

You guys sure know your stuff.

That being said, I didn’t realize how ‘Empire’ this board was until I really started looking around lol. I have many interests as my OP states, so after I finalize my Empire stuff, I am moving on to my Orcs, then who knows what. I assume you guys have more interest than just the Empire right? I will want to ask your opinions on all of my armies.

BTW, my Black Coach arrived today and so did my Boar Boyz. Very thankful I got those guys. No idea what the hell I was thinking not getting them sooner. Well, I am trying to stay in something of a budget, but as I was advised when I started getting into this, I might as well give up on any ‘modest’ plan when it comes to collecting. Especially as some of it is OOP.

I really plan to stay within 1000 point armies but I do want some unique looking models. Currently considering getting the new model of the Wood Elf Treeman. I know the kit makes a variety of them but RH only has the one kind and are cool with that. Has anyone played/played against it? Is it too overpowering for small games? I love the model.

Oh, I also wanted to note that I just picked up my 4th Citadel Wood. Only $25 too. Mostly because I heard a rumor GW is replacing it with another and I really like the current one. I also wanted to make each one unique, not only using the various bits that come in them (like the handing sign, etc), but I also want to use many of the Wood Elf creature bits and I think there is a snail in the Bretonnian set too. I didn’t want to overdo these by adding all these to each Wood (that would be overkill), but sort of give each base it’s own character if that makes sense. Really excited about this. I love trees on the gaming board.

Anyone have any suggestions on where I can buy rivers? I thought of making my own but if there is a nice set out there you would recommend please let me know.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on May 19, 2019, 03:35:13 AM
I have almost all the WHFB armies except filthy vermin and slimy lizards. Oh, and demons - I don’t have them either. So yeah, happy to help / interested in other armies too  :happy:

Most players here know about all the armies - Empire just has the most grounding in real world history too.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on May 19, 2019, 11:59:40 AM
That being said, I didn’t realize how ‘Empire’ this board was until I really started looking around lol. I have many interests as my OP states, so after I finalize my Empire stuff, I am moving on to my Orcs, then who knows what. I assume you guys have more interest than just the Empire right? I will want to ask your opinions on all of my armies.

This was THE Empire forum for years, and that's why most of us have joined. But the forum has broadened and gotten more relaxed about the themes over time. Possibly because eventually even hard-core Empire fans build that other army for another faction, and then a third... :)

Anyone have any suggestions on where I can buy rivers? I thought of making my own but if there is a nice set out there you would recommend please let me know.

Gale Force Nine (GF9) did a nice river set with some plasticy flexible material as the base. Very flat and nice looking, usable straight out of the box.

There are several independent wargame terrain makers with river sets on eBay, with varying price/quality points. I had a semi-bad experinece with one, whose ready-painted set turned out to be sloppily painted and made of brittle plaster which broke during shipping despite decent packaging. I'd carefully check that the river pieces are made of either resin or with the GF9 method, and also see what kind of feedback the seller has gotten.

You can also make rivers yourself. You should find several tutorials just by searching. And you should indeed read/watch several, to find out your preferred method.

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Gankom on May 19, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
I have at least 1000 points of every single fantasy army except for maybe tomb kings. That might be more like 800. It's a pretty common theme on the board to have multiple armies that's for sure.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 21, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
Useless information incoming.

So when I started collecting WFB stuff, I started before I knew the rules. I knew a lot more about Mordheim than I knew Fantasy Battles. And since I didn't know which edition of the rules I was going to be pursuing, I kind held off reading into the rules too much. But that didn't stop me from collecting the armies.

One of the things I did was create look-alike character models on foot if I had mounts for them, one mounted the other on foot. It was easy when I had an extra Empire and Orc command sprue from the 6th Stater set, but I did this with the Elf Noble, etc. Anyone who had a horse mount, or even the Elf Griffon in the 8th set, got the same guy on foot. I thought at the time, well, what if the guy loses his horse? I don't want to replace the model with some rank and file guy. I was told monsters could die so I assumed horses could too. It wasn't until later did I find that horses just make the model's save better. So I did all this silly work for nothing. Except, that I love it. I guess this gives me some flexibility if I want to play skirmish or play around with my lists, but it also really puts the emphasis on the character leading my armies.

That being said, I picked up the last of what I needed for the Bretonnians which arrived this morning. I have the more 'recent' Battalion set that comes with the single Pegasus Knight, and I picked up an extra helmet that comes in the set that is similar to the Knight on the cover of the box, who I am modelling the General of my army after. So now I have 3 of the same helmet. I picked up an extra Knight-ish looking figure from the command sprue as well. So when I am done, I will have the same jabroni on foot, on horseback, AND on a pegasus. Painted up as he is on the cover of the box. Totally stoked.

I know, I am brilliant.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on May 21, 2019, 03:45:44 PM
Yes indeed, you ARE brilliant!

Care to take a couple of photos of these guys? It's OK even if you haven't yet painted them, as this kind of kitbashing rocks. :)

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 21, 2019, 04:31:01 PM
It might take some time before I get to the Bretonnians... I started the armies in my starter sets and want to knock them out first. I would love to post pics as I go, but the last time I tried to upload a photo from my iphone the forum said it was too big. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on May 21, 2019, 06:12:11 PM
I can't upload photos to the forum. Instead, I use imgur to host the pictures and link from there.

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: brr-icy on May 22, 2019, 01:34:08 AM
hey, welcome, been watching your progress over at dakka-dakka, good to see you branching out of there.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 23, 2019, 02:56:04 PM
Hey man! Yeah I had no choice I got banned! lol

So I recently picked up the Dogs of War, 5th edition army book, and I love it. I have to be honest many moons ago, and it might have been when this book was first published, I remember seeing Braganza's Besiegers in White Dwarf, and really liked them. I always thought if I had a Warhammer army, I would have a unit of those guys in it. Well, I have stayed away from any thought of Dogs of War since they aren't in RH, but RH does mention using 'Mercenaries' as a Rare Choice. I haven't dived deep enough into the 6th edition rules to know how the 5th edition Dogs of War would fit in it. Was there ever 6th edition rules made for these guys? Is it fair to use them as they are in Dogs of War?

Not sure a small unit of the Besiegers would make a difference, but since I am going with small armies anyway, it wouldn't take much to field a unit for some character. What do you guys think? Do I go down this rabbit hole?

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on May 23, 2019, 03:03:00 PM
They were a 6th ed supplement in the Annuals and General’s compendium I believe?
Been a while since I thought what book they are in, but yes they have rules.
Probably best to treat them as a standalone army rather than including mercenaries, as the rules for them are in the 6th ed armybooks I think.

Out of curiosity, why were you banned from Dakkadakka? What behaviours do I need to watchout for  ::heretic::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 23, 2019, 03:19:18 PM
Out of curiosity, why were you banned from Dakkadakka? What behaviours do I need to watchout for  ::heretic::

Well, I am an easy going guy, but I am going to stick up for myself. Dakka is a pretty snarky place. Lots of arrogance going around too for a bunch of gaming dorks, and for no reason. And the peeps owning most of the fault for this are the mods, who are the absolute worst. I have the feeling they follow their rules for some people, and let them go lax for others, and what ends up happening is posters feel others are getting away with jabs, see no punishment for that, get frustrated, and bitterness follows. And to avoid breaking obvious rules they do things passively. But its all the same shit. Its a very toxic place in my opinion. I have no idea why I posted there as long as I did. I guess cause I don't really bounce around from forum to forum much.

And I guess it can be argued that I am not 'banned' per say, but suspended for a ridiculously long time. Also two of the guys who gave me the most dings stopped being mods. And most of my dings were in the US Politics thread which eventually was shut down.

You are never going to see me getting hostile over gaming. That is just silly. But if you are from outside the US and taking shots at America, well, you are going to get a shot back so to speak. And I don't mean legit criticisms, I mean just acting like a dick.

I don't see a Politics and Religion thread in here so we're good! lol
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on May 23, 2019, 03:30:42 PM
Alright then! Should be fine I think / hope.

There is - its hidden. They can get out of hand, but most of the controversial people have left long ago. Usually it stays in those threads and doesn’t affect the rest of the forum. Politics and religion are generally avoided subjects for a reason!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on May 23, 2019, 03:35:14 PM
DoW in 6th edition were published in the WD & the Chronicles, in 3 parts:
- Armies for hire: the basic rules and units (Alessio Cavatore; WD 251 and Annual 2002)
- Regiments of Renown:  special units like Pirazzo's Lost Legion (Alessio Cavatore; WD 252 and Annual 2002)
- Special Characters (Marc Mann; Chronicles 2003)

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on May 23, 2019, 06:12:07 PM
Thanks FoS, it turns out I have some of those books and indeed there are some rules in there. Thanks. I can't believe how much literature was produced for 6th edition. You guys must have been giddy every time a new book came out.

Also while looking over Chronicles 2003 book, I came across the massive FAQ and Errata section. Jesus. I barely have digested the rulebook and see there was a lot of confusion with the rules back then. But then, I guess 40k was like this too. I remember 'lite on the rules, heavy on the FAQs'.

At present I am trying to digest charging and how the models line up. All the diagrams show these neat positions that I can see rarely happen in actual game play. What if a unit of 6-20mm bases is charged from the front at an angle by a 4-wide unit of 25mm bases. How do you determine where the models start to line up as the difference in stands mean that they will overlap each other. Who gets to decide who in the charging unit lines up with who? Especially if the defending unit has to pivot around to face the charge?

All this would make sense in 2min if I could see this in person and ask questions.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: brr-icy on June 03, 2019, 05:42:16 PM
Hey man! Yeah I had no choice I got banned! lol

So I recently picked up the Dogs of War, 5th edition army book, and I love it. I have to be honest many moons ago, and it might have been when this book was first published, I remember seeing Braganza's Besiegers in White Dwarf, and really liked them. I always thought if I had a Warhammer army, I would have a unit of those guys in it. Well, I have stayed away from any thought of Dogs of War since they aren't in RH, but RH does mention using 'Mercenaries' as a Rare Choice. I haven't dived deep enough into the 6th edition rules to know how the 5th edition Dogs of War would fit in it. Was there ever 6th edition rules made for these guys? Is it fair to use them as they are in Dogs of War?

Not sure a small unit of the Besiegers would make a difference, but since I am going with small armies anyway, it wouldn't take much to field a unit for some character. What do you guys think? Do I go down this rabbit hole?

I just kind of stopped posting there, the one guy flaming 6th every chance he could while promoting 8th kind of got on my nerves. There was bad blood between him and Tony, leaving me to just opt out of that forum all together.

I am slowly piecing together my DoW army. I plan to use my empire stuff as stand in for the cores and such. I have ended up with a decent amount of the Regiments of Renown already too. Giants of Albion, Tichi-Huichi, Cursed Company, Long Drong, Goblin Hewer, and Gotrex and Felix. Never mind all the Ogres I have already from the Ogre Kingdom army, if you didn't know, most of the regular ogre choices are DoW, things like gnoblars, yhettes etc aren't. I would say if you find them cheap, grab them. But don't overpay
 
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Victor on June 04, 2019, 06:19:26 PM
Edit: Fidelis already answered everything.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on June 04, 2019, 09:08:55 PM
FAE as opposed to FAQ?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on June 06, 2019, 08:51:54 PM
I just kind of stopped posting there, the one guy flaming 6th every chance he could while promoting 8th kind of got on my nerves. There was bad blood between him and Tony, leaving me to just opt out of that forum all together.

Yeah I think I saw some of those arguments before, and sided with Tony. The thing is, I had no idea which edition I would like the most when I got the 6th, 7th, and 8th starter sets. I thought that maybe the later versions would be more refined and easier to grasp, and at the least I would get 6 cool and different starter armies out of it. Over time I would digest the rulebooks and then decide which way to go. One of the immediate things I understood about 8th was that the magic was too powerful, and since I was playing small games of mostly units of 10 infantry (with some exceptions), I knew that wasn't for me. Didn't matter what else it had going on for it. And I love wizards and all that, but just prefer they play a role and not dominate.

In the end though, I loved the dark atmosphere of 6th (I always found the previous versions too colorful and circus-like), but most importantly all the literature that was released during it, much of which is going to take me a long time to read through. And it was literature written for 6th. I don't see much for 8th except all of the End of Times stuff which essentially kills the world.

I am attracted to the spirit of the game as much as I am the models and the mechanics themselves. I want an expansive universe, but one that is grounded too. I think that is why I love 6th so much. It isn't just the rules for 6th, but Skirmish, Siege, Mordhiem, etc. The 6th edition is a pretty dense rulebook with a lot to explore, even if it might be thinner that the hardback 7th and 8th edition rulebooks. It manages to give you a variety of ways to play games with the same miniatures. I wish GW had done the same with 40k at the time. Plus I see 7th and 8th being run by the sales department as opposed to the designers who really loved the games. There was obviously a lot of passion for WFB 6th at the time, just as there was for 40k 3rd. Both had pretty long shelf lives and a lot was explored for both.

Quote
I am slowly piecing together my DoW army. I plan to use my empire stuff as stand in for the cores and such. I have ended up with a decent amount of the Regiments of Renown already too. Giants of Albion, Tichi-Huichi, Cursed Company, Long Drong, Goblin Hewer, and Gotrex and Felix. Never mind all the Ogres I have already from the Ogre Kingdom army, if you didn't know, most of the regular ogre choices are DoW, things like gnoblars, yhettes etc aren't. I would say if you find them cheap, grab them. But don't overpay

Yeah I saw in the Ogre Kingdom rulebook they specify that some units can be mercenaries. Brilliant.

BTW, since I am using RH for all my army lists, and Ogre Kingdoms isn't in it, I am essentially applying the same points for Champs, Musicians, and Standards for Ogres as they are in RH, 10 points for each. Anyone see a problem with that? The reason is that across the official army books those values do vary from army to army but they are all the same in RH regardless (except for Calavry). Just wanted to keep things consistent.

I've actually been doing the same thing in 40k as I am with WFB... buying up some of the older Battle Force sets and filling things out to make 700 point armies, so I have been holding up some purchases of WFB.

Oh, I did get those GF9 Rivers that were suggested and yes they are nearly perfect! Pre-painted well enough for me to finish. I had given serious thought to making my own, but this frees up a lot of time. Will touch them up some. Very happy, thanks for the recommendation to whoever recommended those.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: brr-icy on June 07, 2019, 03:50:36 PM
I just kind of stopped posting there, the one guy flaming 6th every chance he could while promoting 8th kind of got on my nerves. There was bad blood between him and Tony, leaving me to just opt out of that forum all together.

Yeah I think I saw some of those arguments before, and sided with Tony. The thing is, I had no idea which edition I would like the most when I got the 6th, 7th, and 8th starter sets. I thought that maybe the later versions would be more refined and easier to grasp, and at the least I would get 6 cool and different starter armies out of it. Over time I would digest the rulebooks and then decide which way to go. One of the immediate things I understood about 8th was that the magic was too powerful, and since I was playing small games of mostly units of 10 infantry (with some exceptions), I knew that wasn't for me. Didn't matter what else it had going on for it. And I love wizards and all that, but just prefer they play a role and not dominate.

In the end though, I loved the dark atmosphere of 6th (I always found the previous versions too colorful and circus-like), but most importantly all the literature that was released during it, much of which is going to take me a long time to read through. And it was literature written for 6th. I don't see much for 8th except all of the End of Times stuff which essentially kills the world.

I am attracted to the spirit of the game as much as I am the models and the mechanics themselves. I want an expansive universe, but one that is grounded too. I think that is why I love 6th so much. It isn't just the rules for 6th, but Skirmish, Siege, Mordhiem, etc. The 6th edition is a pretty dense rulebook with a lot to explore, even if it might be thinner that the hardback 7th and 8th edition rulebooks. It manages to give you a variety of ways to play games with the same miniatures. I wish GW had done the same with 40k at the time. Plus I see 7th and 8th being run by the sales department as opposed to the designers who really loved the games. There was obviously a lot of passion for WFB 6th at the time, just as there was for 40k 3rd. Both had pretty long shelf lives and a lot was explored for both.

Quote
I am slowly piecing together my DoW army. I plan to use my empire stuff as stand in for the cores and such. I have ended up with a decent amount of the Regiments of Renown already too. Giants of Albion, Tichi-Huichi, Cursed Company, Long Drong, Goblin Hewer, and Gotrex and Felix. Never mind all the Ogres I have already from the Ogre Kingdom army, if you didn't know, most of the regular ogre choices are DoW, things like gnoblars, yhettes etc aren't. I would say if you find them cheap, grab them. But don't overpay

Yeah I saw in the Ogre Kingdom rulebook they specify that some units can be mercenaries. Brilliant.

BTW, since I am using RH for all my army lists, and Ogre Kingdoms isn't in it, I am essentially applying the same points for Champs, Musicians, and Standards for Ogres as they are in RH, 10 points for each. Anyone see a problem with that? The reason is that across the official army books those values do vary from army to army but they are all the same in RH regardless (except for Calavry). Just wanted to keep things consistent.

I've actually been doing the same thing in 40k as I am with WFB... buying up some of the older Battle Force sets and filling things out to make 700 point armies, so I have been holding up some purchases of WFB.

Oh, I did get those GF9 Rivers that were suggested and yes they are nearly perfect! Pre-painted well enough for me to finish. I had given serious thought to making my own, but this frees up a lot of time. Will touch them up some. Very happy, thanks for the recommendation to whoever recommended those.

I understand the draw of the RH book for armies, but it's too simplistic for me, and my collecting has grown to be around 5-10k in points for each army...whoops. So I can look in an army book and pick any unit I want to field. I have a couple left here and there to add more units, but I would have been done a long time ago if I went RH, and with the amount I paint, I'd be out of the hobby quick. I really enjoy the darkness that is in 6th, makes it more grounded and realistic. There is still the insanity with walking ratmen mad scientists and things like the ogres worshipping the great mouth.

I originally packed my stuff up because of 7th. It was like balancing a bag of feathers with a boulder. If you didn't have the last army that came out, you were underpowered, and I didn't see myself buying every army at that point.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on June 07, 2019, 04:01:59 PM
KTG17 - have you considered the other 6th ed material? For example Storm of Chaos alternate army takes. Kislev supplement? Skaven hellpit armylist? Amazons? Undead cairn armylist?

Generally thesr bite size army lists from white dwarf are a lot of fun..,,
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on June 17, 2019, 08:51:17 PM
I have seen some of them, but honestly this is a one man show over here and trying to keep things simple. My friends are not into this stuff like I am, so even if I were to get giddy over a cool list with some options, it would get lost on them. To be honest I have no idea where I would be without RH. RH is what inspired me to get all the armies in it.

I have come across lists here and there, and if I were in some kind of gaming group that was into this like you guys where, I would probably be all about trying them out. But honestly its actually difficult for me to focus on the path I am on because I am actually into so many different things that I weave in and out of things. The more layers or details that get added to something the more complicated it makes it for me.

But I am thinning out a lot of my collections over the last year. Trying to streamline things while buying up old WFB and old 40k lol. I just about have everything I want, so will be able to get back into diving deeper into the lore and rules and all that.

I want to post some pics of what I have. What is an easy image host that I can use to upload images from my phone?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on June 19, 2019, 08:03:16 AM
No probs.
Photobucket used to be the platform of choice until they made some major changes and also held peoples pictures hostage.
I use Imgur nowadays.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: brr-icy on June 22, 2019, 08:29:52 AM
KTG17 - have you considered the other 6th ed material? For example Storm of Chaos alternate army takes. Kislev supplement? Skaven hellpit armylist? Amazons? Undead cairn armylist?

Generally thesr bite size army lists from white dwarf are a lot of fun..,,

What is this hellpit list?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on June 22, 2019, 09:30:00 AM
The Hell Pit Army List is a Clan Moulder Army list (Hell Pit being the Clan's  base) with emphasis on monstrous elements. It was published in WD 311 (Nov 2005) as a "Warhammer Chronicles" article.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: brr-icy on June 24, 2019, 08:55:31 PM
Interesting,  i'll look that up. Moulder hasn't always been my strong clan lol
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on July 25, 2019, 08:20:34 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, you are in for a real treat!

So I got side-tracked with 40k. Went crazy buying up a final wishlist before I stop looking at modern 40k forever, but now I am back into WFB!

In that time I finished off purchasing the remaining 1000 point armies on my to-do list, and, just as many would predict, I went ahead and bought a few more models beyond my initial plan. So I went from a naive 700 point list for each race, got talked into expanding to 1000 point, then on my own picked up some odd 300 points or so for some of the armies. Some of this came about because I purchased some lots and just had some extras, others I went after just because I liked the model and thought it would be fun to build and paint.

So I am going to share my base 1000 point armies, and mention the other models I have to mix things up. These are all based on Ravening Hordes unless noted.  Enjoy!

********************************************************************************************************
Empire (Based on what came in the 6th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Captain (as my General) - 50
 + Sword of Might - 20
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Pistol - 7
 + Shield - 2
 + Warhorse - 10
 + Barding - 4
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Captain - 50
 + Sword of Swift Slaying - 25
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Pistol - 7
 + Shield - 2
 + Warhorse - 10
 + Barding - 4

Battle Wizard - 60
 + Ring of Volans - 30
 + Power Stone - 20
 + Warhorse - 10

Knightly Order (5) - 120
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Spearmen (10) - 70
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Handgunners (10) - 80
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Swordmen(10) - 70
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Great Cannon - 100

Mortar - 80

*** Also *** I have a unit of Knights of the White Wolf (5) and a unit of Halberds (10).


********************************************************************************************************
Orcs (Based on what came in the 6th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Big Boss (General) - 65
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Boar - 12
 + Rending Axe - 35

Shaman - 65
 + Badum Staff - 50

Big Boss - 65
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2

Black Orcs (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Boyz (10) - 50
 + Extra Choppa - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Boyz (10) - 50
 + Spears - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Arrer Boyz (10) - 50
 + Bows - 40
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Boar Boyz (5) - 85
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Chariot - 80


********************************************************************************************************
Dwarves (Based on what came in the 7th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Thane - 50
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Shield - 2
 + Pistol - 7
 + Axe of Cleaving - 50

Dragon Slayer - 90*
 + Additional Hand Weapon - 6

Warriors (10) - 70
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Miners (10) - 100
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Thunderers (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Longbeards (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ironbreakers (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Dwarf Cannon - 100

*** Also *** I have a custom made Runesmith I am proud of. Maybe will use him one day. I am thinking about getting a Gyrocopter at some point.

* Also, I know the Dragon Slayer is officially part of a unit, he came as an individual in the set and just going to leave him as a character.


********************************************************************************************************
Goblins (Based on what came in the 7th Starter)
and I am really excited about these guys
********************************************************************************************************

Night Goblin Big Boss - 30
 + Bronze Axe - 50
 + Light Armor - 2

Night Goblin Big Boss - 30
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Light Armor - 2

Shaman - 50
 + Badum Staff - 50

Night Goblins (20) - 40
 + Spears - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Night Goblins (20) - 40
 + Spears - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Night Goblins (20) - 40
 + Bows - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Spider Riders (10) - 80 *
 + Spears - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

River Trolls (3) - 180 *

2 Bolt Throwers - 60

2 Goblin Chariots - 120

* I know the Spider Riders and River Trolls are RARE choices and an army this small is only allowed to have 1 choice, I love the Trolls and don't want any more Goblins. I originally had this list padded with Orcs, but decided to go all Goblin. Let me know if this breaks my army.


********************************************************************************************************
High Elves (Based on what came in the 8th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Commander - 65
 + Sword of Might - 20
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Elven Steed - 12
 + Boarded Steed - 4

Commander - 65
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2

Mage - 85
 + Crown of Saphery - 20

Spearmen (10) - 100
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Sea Guard (10) - 150
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Swordmasters (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ellyrian Reavers (5) - 85
 + Spears - 5
 + Bows - 25
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Repeater Bolt Thrower - 100

*** Also *** I have the Prince on the Griffon but he is a Lord, as well as a unit of Silver Helms. I didn't need the Helms but I saw them on Ebay for what seemed like a good price and figured why not.


********************************************************************************************************
Skaven (Based on what came in the 8th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Chieftain - 50
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Weeping Blade - 50

Warlock Engineer - 60
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Pistol - 7
 + Warpstone Armor - 40

Clanrats (20) - 120
 + Spears - 40
 + Shields - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Clanrats (20) - 120
 + Shields - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Stormvermin (20) - 140
 + Halberds - 40
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Beast Master - 10
Rat Ogres (2) - 80

Wind Mortar - 65 (Just using the Army book for this)

Fire Thrower - 24


*** Also *** I picked up a Doomwheel as I wanted something unique and are debating on picking up some Plague Monks. I thought about a Jazzail unit, but those models are kinda pricey... And I already have a couple of support teams.

I know it doesn't feel like I have enough Clanrats... But as it is I have to paint some 120 Skaven :o


********************************************************************************************************
Lizardmen (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Saurus Hero - 100
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Spear - 4
 + Cold One - 20

Saurus Hero - 100
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Sword of Might - 20

Skink Shaman - 65

Cold Ones (5) - 110
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Saurus Warriors (10) - 120
 + Spears - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Saurus Warriors (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Temple Guard (10) - 140
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Skink Skirmishers (5) - 20
 + Javelins and Shields - 15

*** Also *** I am working on a Skink Hero, I have a Serpent Swarm, and are seriously thinking of picking up one of the new Stegadons. I am not sure I will ever use it but its a great looking model. I know I have a lot of points in characters but its what I have.


********************************************************************************************************
Wood Elves (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Commander - 65
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Bow of Loren - 50

Mage - 75
 + Talsman of Protection

Glade Riders (5) - 95
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Glade Guard (10) - 80
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Archers (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Dryads (5) - 155

Dryads (5) - 155

Scouts (5) - 70

*** Also *** recently picked up a plastic Treeman. Not sure I will ever use it... seems pretty powerful for small games, but I loved the model.


********************************************************************************************************
Chaos Warriors (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Aspiring Champion - 70
 + Chaos Armor - 8
 + Shield - 2
 + Chaos Tomb Blade - 50

Sorcerer - 80

Marauder Cheiftain - 45
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Shield - 2

Chaos Knights (5) - 155
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Chaos Warriors (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Marauders (10) - 40
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Marauders (10) - 40
 + Flails- 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Chaos Hounds (10) - 120
 
Chaos Chariot - 100

*** Also *** I do have a version of my Marauder Cheiftain that is mounted, so I might change the magic stuff around to field it. I thought for small games it would be neat to have a put Marauder warband, so I got extra bits to make him.


********************************************************************************************************
Daemon Host (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

I have to be honest here I am still working on this.


********************************************************************************************************
Brettonians (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Paladin - 70
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Shield - 2
 + Pegasus - 50
 + Lance - 4

Wizard - 60
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Knights of the Realm (6) - 162
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Man-at-Arms (10) - 30
 + Halberds - 20
 + Light Armor - 10
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Man-at-Arms (10) - 30
 + Halberds - 20
 + Light Armor - 10
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Bowmen (10) - 80
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Bowmen (10) - 80
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Squires (5) - 20
 + Spears - 5
 + Bows - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Warhorses - 35
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

*** Not quite 1000 points as I have a few extra models and bits and was going to try and include a Paladin on foot. If not will have to go a little more crazy with some magic items. I know I am supposed to have 10 Squires, but just getting the 5 that I got was pricey enough. I really like the squires though I hope to post pics of what I did with them soon. And yes, I did have to buy additional Bretonnian bits to make the complete units that I did.


********************************************************************************************************
Beastmen (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Chieftain - 60
 + Armor of Bones - 30


Shaman - 75
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Beastigors (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Gors (10) - 50
 + Additional Hand Weapon - 20
 + Light Armor - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Gors (10) - 50
 + Light Armor - 10
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ungors (10) - 30
 + Spears - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Minotaurs (3) - 135
 + Light Armor - 9
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Chaos Hounds (10) - 120

Beastmen Chariot - 70

*** The Beastmen Chariot I literally just found in a game store in North Carolina while I was on vaca and I got it for $27! I was pretty surprised. Before I had this I was overloading up on magic items. Really excited to have it.


********************************************************************************************************
Dark Elves (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Commander - 65
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Shield - 2
 + Biting Blade - 10

Sorcerer - 95
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Cold One Knights (5) - 140
 + Lances - 10
 + Light Armor - 9
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Corsairs (10) - 100
 + Additional Hand Weapon - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Corsairs (10) - 100
 + Repeater Crossbows - 50
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Warriors (10) - 70
 + Repeater Crossbows - 50
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Warriors (10) - 70
 + Spears - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

*** Also *** I have the Corsair Commander figure as well as the Dark Elf Repeater Bolt Thrower. I love having an artillery piece so will prob move some things around to include it in my army.


********************************************************************************************************
Vampire Counts (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Vampire Thrall - 70
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Ring of Barrows - 45

Necromancer - 65
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Wight Cavalry (5) - 100
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Grave Guard (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Skeleton Warriors (20) - 140
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Zombies (20) - 100

Crypt Ghouls (10) - 90

Bat Swarm - 50

Dire Wolves (10) - 110

*** Also *** got the Black Coach!

I was told that Skeletons and Zombies should really be in units of at least 20 even though I prefer to keep units to their minimum. Let me know what you think about that.


********************************************************************************************************
Tomb Kings (Based on what came in the 8th Edition Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Tomb Lord - 95
 + Bow - 8
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2

Liche Priest - 45
 + Some scrolls....

Skeleton Cavalry (5) - 100
 + Spears - 5
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Skeleton Warriors (20) - 120
 + Light Armor - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Skeleton Warriors (10) - 60
 + Bows - 30
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Tomb Guard (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Skeleton Charioteers (3) - 150
 + Bows - 12
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15


Was thinking about hunting down a Screaming Catapult...


********************************************************************************************************
Ogre Kingdoms (Based on what came in the 8th Edition Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

NOTE! I am using the Army Book points for the models, but the RH point costs for the Champions, Standards, and Musicians. Just seemed better to keep things consistent.

Bruiser - 130
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Additional Hand Weapon - 8
 
Leadbelchers (3) - 165
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ironguts (3) - 144
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ironguts (3) - 144
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Bulls (3) - 105
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Bulls (3) - 105
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Hobgoblins (20) - 40

*** Also *** have 20 more Hobgoblins.



Ok thats it what do you all think?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on July 25, 2019, 08:41:50 PM
I'm thinking you're moving full speed ahead! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on July 27, 2019, 01:57:48 PM
Not enough infantry models in your empire list - too much points on mounted captains. Empire infantry are horde infantry meaning you need bigger units than 10 models to be useful. 16 in 4x4 at a minimum, 20 is better. Especially fighting clanrats and skeletons, or enemy elite units that also have 10 models.

Otherwise I like where most of the way the rest of the armies are progressing!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on July 27, 2019, 02:26:10 PM
What Warlord says. Also: give your Wizard the Rod of Power instead. That was one of our best items.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on July 27, 2019, 03:18:42 PM
More Empire infantry could be good! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on July 30, 2019, 01:42:53 PM
Thanks for all your input! I will look into that rod.

The thing about the units of 10... I know if I were playing any kind of serious gamer my empire army would get crushed, but keep in mind I am I am trying to do 3 things: (1) Have some variety and (2) keep the costs down. The great thing about not pursuing a 2000 point Empire army for example and only get a 1000 point one, is that it free's up cash to buy another 1000 army from another race. Granted I have gone over that 1000 point amount here and there, but that has usually been due to the model itself and not what it does for the army. The (3) is also... man I don't have a lot of time. And I am REALLY eclectic. Just imagine what I have done here with WFB in the last couple of years and throw in half a dozen other interests. I am really all over the place. So if I go crazy, I will never get many of these models painted let alone built.

Also, I am putting a lot of effort in giving each model its own character as much as I can. Like my rank and file Empire guys rarely share the same head.

Also, most of my starters, as well as the additional box sets that I have bought, usually come with a minimum of 10 guys. I have been thinking about the mobs of 20 Skaven... the Island of Blood came with 2 units of Elves who were in units of 10, against those two units of 20 Clanrats... so that is why I assumed 10 all around would be an okay number. I never though the Empire was a horde army, like Skaven or Undead would be. I also can't imagine fielding a unit of only 10 Clanrats either. That doesn't seem right.

Also, I do have a lot of points in some of the army's characters, I know that. That is usually due to what models I have.

A couple of more things.... I have started looking a Siege. Has anyone ever played a game using a fortress? Was it fun? I prefer battles involving movement and I am not sure how exciting a castle would be.

And when I wrote my army lists above, I had purchased the Skaven Doomwheel but hadn't received it yet. Well I got it. And I love it. I swear GW was making some amazing models in the last couple editions of WFB. I wasn't at all impressed with the original Doomwheel.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on July 30, 2019, 02:19:35 PM
Well, you could use the Spearmen as proxies for the Halberdiers (or vice versa). That would give you a 20-strong unit, that would also allow you to use the Swordsmen and/or Handgunners as Detachments.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on July 30, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
How would a 10 man Empire unit match up against:

10 Skaven Clan Rats (as opposed to 20)
or
10 Skeletons
?

Oh, BTW, I did pick up a Dwarf Gyrocopter. Then I read the rules. It seems kind of useless. But I needed something of a rare choice.

Oh part 2, I made a mistake in my Dwarves army list. I don't have Longbeards, I have Hammerers. I like the Longbeard models better tho, but they come with Great Axes and RH says not so fast its hand weapons and shields, and I believe that option isnt included in the set. I guess the Hammerer models are different though.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on July 30, 2019, 06:45:21 PM
Well, I will not crunch the numbers, but the Clanrats have two major advantages: M5 and I4. In the 6th edition, the attacker strikes first and there is no step-up. Any model you kill first means less attacks against you. With I4, the Clanrats will strike before Halberdiers & Swordsmen, and simultaneously with the Swordsmen. However, M5 makes it more likely that the Clanrats will be able to attack and thus strike first in the first round of CC against Swordsmen too.
The Skeletons have one big advantage: Fear. In the 6th, Fear was far more powerful than in the 8th edition.
That is why in the 6th (and 7th) edition, Swordsmen were the superior choice, since they had WS4, I4, and a 4+ AS. You'd stiil want at least 20 of them, though.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on July 30, 2019, 08:55:35 PM
Ahh... I missed those stats on the Swordsman. I just assumed they were the same as everyone else. I can see why peeps like them. Well, they are a core part of my army now!

That being said, I know you want me to play in big blocks, but I don't ever see me and my friends ever playing competitively. I like units of 10 for basic infantry, 5 for cavalry, as I seem to buy them in those numbers most of the time, so I will prob just keep it that way. And I am okay with a strong unit of 10 guys overwhelming a unit of weaker 10 guys. That makes sense and means a player should rely on tactics and supporting fire to help out as opposed to just rank bonuses. I know in some armies, like Goblins, you just have to go with 20 (not just because of the rules, but they are just poor fighters), but does this mean I should consider using units of 10 for Skaven, Skeletons, and Zombies as well? I guess if I use RH as a guide, if I just go with the minimum for each unit, I should still be somewhat balanced.

I am not sure I have all the command models I need if I went that route tho...
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on July 31, 2019, 02:18:08 PM
To my mind, if you are curating the collections, you are creating the meta on which armies will dominate all games. This is basically about giving everyone a fair chance to win with any army using the units in the army provided, and tactics and luck. And that is the basis of your players having a fun time. Just a fair chance.

Firstly, let's address your measure of '5 for cav, 10 for infantry'.

I think you need to differentiate between basic infantry and elite infantry. Elite infantry at unit size 10 is fine. Basic, or 'horde' infantry you should be looking at 16-20, even up to 24 size.

10 'basic' infantry in most cases means cavalry and elite infantry will slaughter them almost every time. 10 for basic infantry means they are chaff (disposable) - but if all you have is chaff you won't ever win a battle.

You asked to compare 10 empire troops vs 10 clanrats - that fight has a fair chance to go either way. Just as 20 vs 20 of the same type. But what about 10 empire troops vs 10 black orcs, or 10 clanrats vs 10 chaos warriors. Elite infantry will pretty much win every time.
That's where you need to differentiate between elite infantry numbers and basic / horde infantry numbers.

I know you don't see empire troops as a 'horde', but the troop cost aligns to that...

I understand budget constraints and time will make this a challenge, and a lot of your army mixes and units are not far off anyway.
If you have the 6th ed starter box, I think that came with 16 spearmen and 16 handgunners and a command sprue?
The extra 10 halberds will help, but if you can even arrange for them to be units of 12 or 15 or 16 instead of 10, I think it will help.

Anyway, I will give my quick view on fair unit sizes for the armies you have listed below. I am not talking uber competitive or optimised, just a general range on what would produce a fair fight.

-----------

Regardless, some of your other points:

Gyrocopter's purpose is to slow enemy advance by March Blocking, allowing more time for shooting.
In that way, it's a good distraction for the enemy.
Which model did you get? The new plastic one, or the older metal one?

Longbeards and Hammerers are both good elites. I wouldn't worry about axes, because there is no 'axe' rule. Either Hand Weapon or Great Weapon. Also, in 7th edition GW phased out the Longbeard models, so just more fancier warriors would be fine for models. That said, you have hammerer models. They are great.

I have not played Siege, but I think it generally suits some armies better than others. Could be fun for you and your friends though.

Like you say, the 'new' doomwheel is great. The old one was.... not.

I would love to see a photo of your Runesmith.

Next post will be my high level feedback.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on July 31, 2019, 03:05:39 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, you are in for a real treat!

Yes it is. I love that you shared this.

********************************************************************************************************
Empire (Based on what came in the 6th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Captain (as my General) - 50
 + Sword of Might - 20
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Pistol - 7
 + Shield - 2
 + Warhorse - 10
 + Barding - 4
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Captain - 50
 + Sword of Swift Slaying - 25
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Pistol - 7
 + Shield - 2
 + Warhorse - 10
 + Barding - 4

Battle Wizard - 60
 + Ring of Volans - 30
 + Power Stone - 20
 + Warhorse - 10

Knightly Order (5) - 120
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Spearmen (10) - 70
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Handgunners (10) - 80
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Swordmen(10) - 70
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Great Cannon - 100

Mortar - 80

*** Also *** I have a unit of Knights of the White Wolf (5) and a unit of Halberds (10).


Knights of the White Wolf are a great pick here.
Again, combining the halberds into the spearmen unit would be my suggestion to make a unit of 20 spearmen
Greatswords would be a great pick though, but 5th, 6th, 7th ed versions are all quite expensive. Great models though.

If you could get some of the more exotic units from Ravening Hordes for these guys, could be a bit of fun, like Flagellants, Reiksguard foot or Halflings, will make them standout from the Bretonnians.



********************************************************************************************************
Orcs (Based on what came in the 6th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Big Boss (General) - 65
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Boar - 12
 + Rending Axe - 35

Shaman - 65
 + Badum Staff - 50

Big Boss - 65
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2

Black Orcs (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Boyz (10) - 50
 + Extra Choppa - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Boyz (10) - 50
 + Spears - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Arrer Boyz (10) - 50
 + Bows - 40
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Boar Boyz (5) - 85
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Chariot - 80


The 2 units of boyz are fine as units of 10, or could combine into a unit of 20. Mixed weapons look in a unit of Orcs is fine.

Some Savage Orcs might make the army more visually interesting and fun, but again, could be expensive - the 6th ed and 7th ed models were not cheap. Both great sets though. You could always paint the Boyz with 2 hand weapons as savages, with the war paint and that could work too.

A Giant could look good here too.
Or you could even use Ogres here too as the Rare choice if they are not going up against them.


********************************************************************************************************
Dwarves (Based on what came in the 7th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Thane - 50
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Shield - 2
 + Pistol - 7
 + Axe of Cleaving - 50

Dragon Slayer - 90*
 + Additional Hand Weapon - 6

Warriors (10) - 70
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Miners (10) - 100
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Thunderers (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Longbeards (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ironbreakers (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Dwarf Cannon - 100

*** Also *** I have a custom made Runesmith I am proud of. Maybe will use him one day. I am thinking about getting a Gyrocopter at some point.

* Also, I know the Dragon Slayer is officially part of a unit, he came as an individual in the set and just going to leave him as a character.



I think the Slayer as a character is fine. In the armybook, they do that anyway.


********************************************************************************************************
Goblins (Based on what came in the 7th Starter)
and I am really excited about these guys
********************************************************************************************************

Night Goblin Big Boss - 30
 + Bronze Axe - 50
 + Light Armor - 2

Night Goblin Big Boss - 30
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Light Armor - 2

Shaman - 50
 + Badum Staff - 50

Night Goblins (20) - 40
 + Spears - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Night Goblins (20) - 40
 + Spears - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Night Goblins (20) - 40
 + Bows - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Spider Riders (10) - 80 *
 + Spears - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

River Trolls (3) - 180 *

2 Bolt Throwers - 60

2 Goblin Chariots - 120

* I know the Spider Riders and River Trolls are RARE choices and an army this small is only allowed to have 1 choice, I love the Trolls and don't want any more Goblins. I originally had this list padded with Orcs, but decided to go all Goblin. Let me know if this breaks my army.


I think this army is fairly strong actually. Its good. Consider some fanatics for some extra craziness. Goblins are an army that is supposed to make your laugh.



********************************************************************************************************
High Elves (Based on what came in the 8th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Commander - 65
 + Sword of Might - 20
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Elven Steed - 12
 + Boarded Steed - 4

Commander - 65
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2

Mage - 85
 + Crown of Saphery - 20

Spearmen (10) - 100
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Sea Guard (10) - 150
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Swordmasters (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ellyrian Reavers (5) - 85
 + Spears - 5
 + Bows - 25
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Repeater Bolt Thrower - 100

*** Also *** I have the Prince on the Griffon but he is a Lord, as well as a unit of Silver Helms. I didn't need the Helms but I saw them on Ebay for what seemed like a good price and figured why not.


I think Silver Helms balance this army. Some Archers would be great, but Sea Guard can do that I guess.



********************************************************************************************************
Skaven (Based on what came in the 8th Starter)
********************************************************************************************************

Chieftain - 50
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Weeping Blade - 50

Warlock Engineer - 60
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Pistol - 7
 + Warpstone Armor - 40

Clanrats (20) - 120
 + Spears - 40
 + Shields - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Clanrats (20) - 120
 + Shields - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Stormvermin (20) - 140
 + Halberds - 40
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Beast Master - 10
Rat Ogres (2) - 80

Wind Mortar - 65 (Just using the Army book for this)

Fire Thrower - 24


*** Also *** I picked up a Doomwheel as I wanted something unique and are debating on picking up some Plague Monks. I thought about a Jazzail unit, but those models are kinda pricey... And I already have a couple of support teams.

I know it doesn't feel like I have enough Clanrats... But as it is I have to paint some 120 Skaven :o


It’s a solid army, especially with the addition of the Doomwheel.
I personally hate skaven, but consider if you want a unit of 20 slaves in there too for chaff, or some skirmishers to do something different.



********************************************************************************************************
Lizardmen (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Saurus Hero - 100
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Spear - 4
 + Cold One - 20

Saurus Hero - 100
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Sword of Might - 20

Skink Shaman - 65

Cold Ones (5) - 110
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Saurus Warriors (10) - 120
 + Spears - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Saurus Warriors (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Temple Guard (10) - 140
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Skink Skirmishers (5) - 20
 + Javelins and Shields - 15

*** Also *** I am working on a Skink Hero, I have a Serpent Swarm, and are seriously thinking of picking up one of the new Stegadons. I am not sure I will ever use it but its a great looking model. I know I have a lot of points in characters but its what I have.


I feel like you need more Skinks in this army. Stegadon would be great.



********************************************************************************************************
Wood Elves (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Commander - 65
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2
 + Bow of Loren - 50

Mage - 75
 + Talsman of Protection

Glade Riders (5) - 95
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Glade Guard (10) - 80
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Archers (10) - 120
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Dryads (5) - 155

Dryads (5) - 155

Scouts (5) - 70

*** Also *** recently picked up a plastic Treeman. Not sure I will ever use it... seems pretty powerful for small games, but I loved the model.


I think this army is lacking. The Treeman may seem powerful, but that’s what cannons or heroes are for. Don't shy away from it, its kinda the only thing that will give this army a chance for a player who doesn't know how to play avoidance.
Wardancers are a lot of fun too though as an option



********************************************************************************************************
Chaos Warriors (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Aspiring Champion - 70
 + Chaos Armor - 8
 + Shield - 2
 + Chaos Tomb Blade - 50

Sorcerer - 80

Marauder Cheiftain - 45
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Shield - 2

Chaos Knights (5) - 155
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Chaos Warriors (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Marauders (10) - 40
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Marauders (10) - 40
 + Flails- 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Chaos Hounds (10) - 120
 
Chaos Chariot - 100

*** Also *** I do have a version of my Marauder Cheiftain that is mounted, so I might change the magic stuff around to field it. I thought for small games it would be neat to have a put Marauder warband, so I got extra bits to make him.


Marauder Cavalry would make this well rounded, and the box set is great. Consider it.




********************************************************************************************************
Daemon Host (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

I have to be honest here I am still working on this.


I'm not great with Demons either.


********************************************************************************************************
Brettonians (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Paladin - 70
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Shield - 2
 + Pegasus - 50
 + Lance - 4

Wizard - 60
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Knights of the Realm (6) - 162
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Man-at-Arms (10) - 30
 + Halberds - 20
 + Light Armor - 10
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Man-at-Arms (10) - 30
 + Halberds - 20
 + Light Armor - 10
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Bowmen (10) - 80
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Bowmen (10) - 80
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Squires (5) - 20
 + Spears - 5
 + Bows - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Warhorses - 35
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

*** Not quite 1000 points as I have a few extra models and bits and was going to try and include a Paladin on foot. If not will have to go a little more crazy with some magic items. I know I am supposed to have 10 Squires, but just getting the 5 that I got was pricey enough. I really like the squires though I hope to post pics of what I did with them soon. And yes, I did have to buy additional Bretonnian bits to make the complete units that I did.


Need more knights.
You need to differentiate between the human armies, and Bretonnians should be full of knights.
The Men-at-Arms suffer from the same problem as the Empire troops - combine the 2 units of 10 into 1 of 20.
And get at least 1 more unit of knights.
I wouldn't worry about the Squires thing - they are 10+ because they simplified the rules to cover them as foot skirmishers too. 5 is fine.
Don't forget to get more knights. Old 5th ed knights should be easy to track down? Can be a lot of fun to convert them as Questing or Grail Knights.
I am excited you got the Paladin on Pegasus. A lot of fun there.




********************************************************************************************************
Beastmen (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Chieftain - 60
 + Armor of Bones - 30


Shaman - 75
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Beastigors (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Gors (10) - 50
 + Additional Hand Weapon - 20
 + Light Armor - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Gors (10) - 50
 + Light Armor - 10
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ungors (10) - 30
 + Spears - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Minotaurs (3) - 135
 + Light Armor - 9
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Chaos Hounds (10) - 120

Beastmen Chariot - 70

*** The Beastmen Chariot I literally just found in a game store in North Carolina while I was on vaca and I got it for $27! I was pretty surprised. Before I had this I was overloading up on magic items. Really excited to have it.


The Gors would be the same advice as I had for the Orc Boyz. Fine separate, or as 1 unit of 20 with 'mixed weapons' to be whichever option you like.
Don't forget, you can borrow the Chaos Hounds in this army too.
I think the Ungors need to be bigger, but I think they can be expensive to buy nowadays.

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on July 31, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
********************************************************************************************************
Dark Elves (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Commander - 65
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Shield - 2
 + Biting Blade - 10

Sorcerer - 95
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Cold One Knights (5) - 140
 + Lances - 10
 + Light Armor - 9
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Corsairs (10) - 100
 + Additional Hand Weapon - 20
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Corsairs (10) - 100
 + Repeater Crossbows - 50
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Warriors (10) - 70
 + Repeater Crossbows - 50
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Warriors (10) - 70
 + Spears - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

*** Also *** I have the Corsair Commander figure as well as the Dark Elf Repeater Bolt Thrower. I love having an artillery piece so will prob move some things around to include it in my army.


Is that the commander with the squid helmet? I never got him. Cool figure.
Get that Repeater.



********************************************************************************************************
Vampire Counts (Based on what came in the Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Vampire Thrall - 70
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Biting Blade - 10
 + Ring of Barrows - 45

Necromancer - 65
 + Talisman of Protection - 15

Wight Cavalry (5) - 100
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Grave Guard (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Skeleton Warriors (20) - 140
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Zombies (20) - 100

Crypt Ghouls (10) - 90

Bat Swarm - 50

Dire Wolves (10) - 110

*** Also *** got the Black Coach!

I was told that Skeletons and Zombies should really be in units of at least 20 even though I prefer to keep units to their minimum. Let me know what you think about that.


Units of 20 for both of those is appropriate.
Black Coach will be fun. Great mix of units.



********************************************************************************************************
Tomb Kings (Based on what came in the 8th Edition Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

Tomb Lord - 95
 + Bow - 8
 + Light Armor - 2
 + Shield - 2

Liche Priest - 45
 + Some scrolls....

Skeleton Cavalry (5) - 100
 + Spears - 5
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15

Skeleton Warriors (20) - 120
 + Light Armor - 20
 + Shields - 10
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Skeleton Warriors (10) - 60
 + Bows - 30
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Tomb Guard (10) - 110
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Skeleton Charioteers (3) - 150
 + Bows - 12
 + Champion - 15
 + Standard - 15
 + Musician - 15


Was thinking about hunting down a Screaming Catapult...


Also a great mix of units. Catapult would be the final touch.



********************************************************************************************************
Ogre Kingdoms (Based on what came in the 8th Edition Battalion set)
********************************************************************************************************

NOTE! I am using the Army Book points for the models, but the RH point costs for the Champions, Standards, and Musicians. Just seemed better to keep things consistent.

Bruiser - 130
 + Heavy Armor - 4
 + Additional Hand Weapon - 8
 
Leadbelchers (3) - 165
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ironguts (3) - 144
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Ironguts (3) - 144
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Bulls (3) - 105
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Bulls (3) - 105
 + Champion - 10
 + Standard - 10
 + Musician - 10

Hobgoblins (20) - 40

*** Also *** have 20 more Hobgoblins.


I assume you mean Gnoblars, not Hobgoblins?
This is fine. They will do well against most of these armies. A ScrapLauncher is a lot of fun too.


Ok thats it what do you all think?

I think you are missing a Chaos Dwarf army!

Can be expensive, or can be a lot of fun conversions….

And perhaps a Dogs of War army?

No pressure!  :biggriin:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on July 31, 2019, 03:14:26 PM
Thanks for all the feedback, I am appreciating it.

I guess I should point out that the 7th and 8th starter sets pretty much had the biggest influences on me on how I set out to do this. In those sets, the Dwarves and Elves were in units of 10 for infantry and in the case of the Elves, their cavalry in a unit of 5. The Goblins and Skaven units were twice that, so I assumed that was because they were lesser units.

The contents of the 6th edition kind of left me confused, and I just assumed they came in the numbers they did because of how GW put the figures on sprues at the time. And since I got all of the starters at once, I thought I would sort of unify the strategy and just model the Empire and Ork armies on how the other armies were packaged. And the best part, since I was sure of my plan, I sold off my empire extras to buy other stuff.  :eusa_wall:

Even still, I don't have a problem of 10 elite troops wiping the floor with 10 basic troops. I assume that other things would happen though, like these units having to cross ground which might be covered with ranged weapons for example. All this is theoretical though, I know. I am still digesting the rules as I have time (I took on magic the other day and wow a lot of dice rolling for little result).

I guess if I am going to stick to the minimum unit size for the Empire, I probably should do that for everyone. I didn't realize the Clanrats were as good as they were. I just assumed since they came in a block of 20 in the 8th set, which looks great to me, up against units of 10 for Elves, that that seemed to be the right number to use against everyone. Ravening Hordes has them coming in units of 10 and maybe that is where I should keep them. Which means I now need more command models!  :icon_mad:

Since I am playing small games, I think smaller unit sizes means more options on the table. I dont want to sink a lot of points into a few formations and it just becomes moving everyone to the center of the board and rolling dice.

As far as the Gyrocopter... I got the metal one. I didn't know there was a plastic one. Crap I would have bought a plastic one if I knew it existed. The metal one looks really wimpy.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on July 31, 2019, 03:16:05 PM
No problem! I love the scale of what you are trying to do.
I did that, and didn't stop.
But I also didn't collect everything. I don't have Bretonnians, Lizardmen, Skaven or Demons. But I have the rest.

Ultimately my main feedback is on the human armies, 1 for you to differentiate them, and 2, to ensure the combat infantry is treated the same as clanrats, skeletons and goblins, because their capabilities aren't that different. What 8th ed setup for you was right. The elites should be 10, and the basics should be 20. That way either side can win. And each army you are building will have options and strategies for crossing the field under fire or flanking, or bait and flee. Don't have the human armies be the un-fun ones because they start off at such a disadvantage.

The other feedback, is if you have a few extra models in places, consider not putting full command on every unit. Sometimes not even any command at all. it will save you points to field all your models, and some units don't benefit from the extra cost - especially missile troops, but especially the human missile troops of 10 models, and also the Elven missile troops too. Dwarves can handle themselves, Orcs and Goblins should be running forward and shooting and getting stuck in, so its fine for them.

Regarding selling off, I think with some swaps, like adding the halberds to the spearmen, and combining the 2 men at arms units, you get there.
I know you don't seem to mind elites beating basics, but its more that once those human basics are gone, there isn't anything left. Everyone expects humans to die to elites regardless, you just want them to put up a little bit of a fight in the process, and that's all adding the extra numbers does.

Sorry to keep harping on.

I really don't think you should drop basics down to 10 models.

Keep in mind that games, even at 1000 points can take a while to play. Like you say about magic, a lot of rolling for little effect.
I think mostly your mix of units would mean a decent game at a casual pace with a beer could take about 2 hours, maybe more or less depending on how luck shines on you.

No, the metal Gyrocopter is cool. I just always had trouble keeping it stuck together. I sold it when they announced the plastic one, and then for quite a while I didn't like the look of the plastic one. I need to buy one one of these days.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on July 31, 2019, 03:29:45 PM
On a side note: you could use unit fillers to enlarge your units without (too much of an) extra cost.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on July 31, 2019, 03:48:46 PM
If you could get some of the more exotic units from Ravening Hordes for these guys, could be a bit of fun, like Flagellants, Reiksguard foot or Halflings, will make them standout from the Bretonnians.

Did they make plastic Reiksguard on foot?

Quote
Some Savage Orcs might make the army more visually interesting and fun, but again, could be expensive - the 6th ed and 7th ed models were not cheap.

I like the Savage Ork models but I thought it should be either I go all savage, or not at all...

Quote
I think this army is fairly strong actually. Its good. Consider some fanatics for some extra craziness. Goblins are an army that is supposed to make your laugh.

There seems to be an extra layer of rules for these guys and that kind of intimidates me with a system with already having a ton of rules. Will look into them. I do like the plastic models I might as well buy a couple.......

Quote
I feel like you need more Skinks in this army. Stegadon would be great.

Well, I got all those Saurus models in the Battalion set, so I would prefer to use up all of them if I can.

Quote
I think this army is lacking. The Treeman may seem powerful, but that’s what cannons or heroes are for. Don't shy away from it, its kinda the only thing that will give this army a chance for a player who doesn't know how to play avoidance.

Yeah I agree on the lacking part. I have what I have from the Battalion set. I looked weak to me but I thought maybe things were in the rules that would make them shine through. Will tinker with it.

Quote
Need more knights.
Well they are pricey! And if I include more, then I have to give up another unit that I paid big $$$ for lol. I am kinda stuck at the moment.

Quote
Is that the commander with the squid helmet? I never got him. Cool figure.

No, I went a cheaper route and bought extra random Dark Elf bits to make one. I will post pics when I get to him. To be honest, Dark Elves are a long way off on my list of things to do.

Quote
Units of 20 for both of those is appropriate.

But should I be doing 10 now??? Since I am going RH minimums?

Quote
I assume you mean Gnoblars, not Hobgoblins?

Yes, sorry.

And yes! I plan to do Chaos Dwarves. I was all set to buy some on eBay, but the key unit I wanted was being sold in a lot, and I lost the auction and the excitement. Will get around to them some day. I have a army list. Will share it and see what you think soon.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on July 31, 2019, 05:42:55 PM
Quick question:

After going back and forth on it, I have decided to base all of chariots with chariot bases, rather than using just bases for the horses. This is a little difficult for me as not all of the models came with them, and they are hard to find now. The Black Coach tho, is pretty big, and is actually too big for the normal chariot base. I thought about jerry-rigging a chariot base with another base and filling and sanding the gaps to make it look nice, but then I thought why not use a monster base? Would this be ok? I saw somewhere a sheet that included all of the base sizes for all units in Warhammer at the time, but I don't know if the Black Coach was assigned to one back then. I know my model didnt come with one and I got is sealed. What do you think? Does it matter?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on July 31, 2019, 06:59:46 PM
The 6th edition Black Coach did not come with a base for the actual chariot, but the base size of the chariot itself should be 50x100mm (or for chariot+mounts 100x150mm).
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on July 31, 2019, 07:06:11 PM
Ok thanks I can jerry-rig one then. Prob for the best. The monster base is awfully wide. Too wide.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on July 31, 2019, 07:18:25 PM
Uh, yes, my mistake that should be 50x150mm.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on July 31, 2019, 10:05:57 PM
The 6th edition Black Coach did not come with a base for the actual chariot, but the base size of the chariot itself should be 50x100mm (or for chariot+mounts 100x150mm).

I think you should use a chariot base, and you will need to cut the horses off their slotta bits to make it all fit. If you keep them in their slotta’s, you will need a monster base and another cavalry base to get all 4 wheels on a base. The black coach is LONG.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on July 31, 2019, 11:10:09 PM
Yeah I don’t think everything will fit on a chariot base no matter what I do. I was anticipating not using he slots for the horses too. Either I extend the chariot base with a single cavalry base sideways, or extended it with a 50mm square base. The thing is I prefer that it fits as nicely as other chariots fit on their bases, so not so big and not so small.

Btw, are you guys basing your artillery? I have a single 75mm-50mm base which is perfect for the Great Cannon, but I don’t know what it was originally for and I am not finding any units that would have used it. It’s a GW base tho.

The thing is that basing the artillery is a double sword... the machine looks like it’s part of a diorama, but the crew doesn’t always fit well on it or near it, and I def don’t want to attach them to the machine’s base.

I figure if I am basing everyone else I might as well do them too.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 01, 2019, 12:57:05 AM
Ok I created a flickr account and I hate it. Might move on to something else soon, but in the meantime... here is a quick pic of my collection:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48427094057_49ff03f0fa_z.jpg)

The great thing about the battalion boxes is that they hold most of the army until and after I build them. And if I got an army in a starter set, I am just using the starter set, so not buying a High Elf Battalion set for example.

Edit: Oh yeah, while I am at it, here is the Runesmith I was talking about.

Now, when I got the Battle for Skull Pass and Ravening Hordes, I realized that the set came with 12 Dwarf Warriors and 8 Miners, which didn't make any sense to me. So I went shopping for a couple of more Miners to meet the 10 minimum, and was lucky to score three miners with their Standard Bearer on Ebay for cheap. I didn't have any use at the time for the Standard Bearer, but I got the idea later to try and convert the last miner into the Runesmith using part of the standard from the Standard Bearer, to make some kind of staff thing. I don't know what I was doing, but this is what I came up with. Oh I also swapped helmets with one of the left over warriors I had since I only wanted 10. I will eventually add some more bits left over from my Iron Breakers set when I figure out what I don't need. Maybe a shield or something slung over his back. With an axe of course.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48427150696_aee087963c_k.jpg)

Anything to save a few bucks... go easy on me.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on August 01, 2019, 07:31:04 AM
You can use an old CD-disc to base war machines on. It should fit all models, and can serve as a reminder that war machines do not have flanks or a rear.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 01, 2019, 11:13:30 AM
Oh wait, I have a band saw. I am just going to slice the monster base right down the middle length-wise, trim off the excess areas, and re-attach the pieces. The Black Coach itself will help anchor everything together giving it support! Will work on this this weekend and post some pics. I worry though 150mm might be too long.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on August 01, 2019, 02:03:15 PM
I love the Runesmith. Kitbashes like that are great fun.

125 is about right. 150 might be too long.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 01, 2019, 05:33:51 PM
Thanks!

So I have decided to go with the absolute minimum unit size for all my armies based on Ravening Hordes. I hope this balances things out better. This means I have some shuffling around to do, because I want all of my units to have command models. I know this was raised a few posts ago about letting some units go without them, but because the 7th and 8th Starter sets all came with them, I don’t want some armies to have units with standards for example, and other armies not to. Even if it seems pointless, like with Empire Handgunners. And the truth is, I think the units look 1000 times better with a standard and so on than without. Especially when they are different. Really gives them character.

So looking over my Skaven, I am going to split the 2 20-model units into 4 10-model units. The only problem is that I don’t have extra command models for them, but I was lucky enough to find a bits seller on eBay who supplied me with 4 Clanrats and the gear to make the 2 Standards and 2 Musicians I need. I also picked up a single Plague Bearer to make a custom Plague Priest just for kicks. Also, since I can only have one unit of Stormvermin and I am knocking them down to 10, I picked up 10 Plaguebearers on sprues. I was debating buying a box of 20 from the WFB days but I am glad I didn’t. The bits seller really saved me some money.

And wherever in my lists I have 20 Skeletons or Zombies, they are going to be units of 10 now.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on August 02, 2019, 02:30:57 AM
Personally, I dont think its a great idea gameplay wise. Have said it a bunch. The Ravening Hordes were made before they understood the implication of the 6th edition ruleset compared to 5th. The elite armies will win almost all the time.

That said, are these armies going to go on display more than be played?
If so, do what you like! I know the photo before had boxes in a cupboard, but once they are painted if you put them on display or create some diaramas it will look great.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 02, 2019, 11:27:04 AM
Unfortunately I don’t have a lot of space for displaying. I do have two curio-like cabinets in my home office that I use for displaying, but it’s stuffed with a ton of other stuff. Imagine how I am with WFB and throw in a couple of dozen other interests.

And the pic of the shelves show the bottom 3 shelves I installed in a closet. There are 7 shelves above it stuffed with a ton more crap including other games to old Japanese anime model kits.

My goal is to have a shitload to do when I retire.  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 02, 2019, 11:28:50 AM
What is an elite army anyway. If everything is assigned a point value, if a unit is worth twice that of another, then it should have half the number of troops... assuming that it’s all balanced, and I was told 6th + RH really was.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on August 02, 2019, 11:37:32 AM
I cannot recall anyone saying that about 6th + RH, although it may be correct compared to the 5th so-called Herohammer edition. From personal experience, I can say that the 6th edition as a whole (BRB + ABs) was fairly balanced. Indeed, I would argue that the main imbalance was how most special characters were priced (i.e. prohibitively expensive!). 
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 04, 2019, 07:11:26 PM
I had some time today to work on my Black Coach base. Even though I don't plan on building anything for the Vampire Counts for a long time, I just wanted to get everything I need for when that time comes, and the base issue for the Black Coach was bothering me.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48456129772_056b63c28f_z.jpg)

So would it be chopping up the 150mm by 100mm base to make a 50mm by 100mm base? Or could I just attached a cavalry base to the end of a chariot base and call it a day? Well, the cavalry base isn't quite the same width when lined up with the chariot base, and the model looks like it wouldn't fit anyway. So had to try modifying the monster base instead.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48456131637_241ecef185_z.jpg)

I only have a couple of monster bases and decided to use the one in roughest shape for this in case I messed it up.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48455977376_a8417ed6d0_z.jpg)

First I sliced it down the middle.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48455976806_f00579141c_z.jpg)

If you don't own a band saw, I highly recommend them. I have a Miter and Table saw as well, but I use the band for a ton of things.

After going down the middle, I trimmed more off from the inside. I want to keep the original sloped edges as nice as possible so it looks like every other base I have, so that is why I am doing this.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48456130142_81254137ee_z.jpg)

Here we are with the inside parts removed. Its pretty close to the chariot base in width, and at this point I figured I would just sand down rather than try trimming. Don't want to push my luck.

I glued together the halves with a mix of liquid model and super glue, and was amazed how well it bonded. I was afraid I would have to reinforce it from underneath it but really didn't want to. No one is going to see underneath it but me but it would drive me nuts. Then I filled the cracks with contour putty and sanded the line down.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48455976066_617894cb4a_z.jpg)

Not an exact match in width but I was like screw it. I didn't want to sand anymore. I put a light coat of paint on it to see if there are any major imperfections but I all looks pretty good.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48455976466_1ed897bcf5_z.jpg)

Not perfect, but nothing I do is. When I add some texture and paint it prob wont even know what I did. It feels solid and once the model is glued to the base, it will give it extra support. Very happy this all worked out pretty nicely.

In other news, I picked up the plastic set of Dark Elf Executioners/Black Guard of Naggarond. They weren't on my list of things to get but I saw the set and loved the Black Guard. I think the Dark Elves are a great looking army. If they would just get rid of that stupid skull. None of my models or banners will be displaying those skulls.

And I am not going to lie, given the stuff GW just listed on their site for last chance, and how quickly it all went... I am just grabbing anything I might find interesting at this point, and I prefer plastic over metal, even though there is plenty of metal on eBay.

Finally, I got the bits for the Skaven and it turned out the seller only had one standard, and I thought of using one of the incoming Plague Bearer ones, but I discovered that my Stormvermin came with two, so I used one of those. I cut off the banner-ish like thing coming off the back of the flag and sanded it down to make it different and less imposing than the Stormvermin one. Going to trim off more of the banner as it’s a lot bigger than the others. So here are my four Skaven Standard Bearers:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48456144166_ccf9d62d37_z.jpg)

I should note that the Stormvermin banner was held in the left hand so couldn’t use that, since the figure has his left hand molded closed to the body to hold a shield. So I had to use a right hand holding a spear. I cut away the spear and attached the top and bottom part of the poles to the hand.

These f***ers insprired me to finish building the rest of the Skaven that came in Island of Blood. This set was supposed to be 3rd on the list and I am not even done with the first, the 6th starter, but as you can see, I am all over the place.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 08, 2019, 12:33:05 AM
Hi guys, some updates.

1) I got the Treeman model yesterday, and I was shocked how small the base is. I thought it was going on the 150mm by 100mm base, thinking it was a huge model, but it comes with a 75mm by 50mm one. So the model isn't as huge as I thought and I am excited about that. Prob still the biggest model I have for WFB.

2) I bought this lot on eBay:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48472865782_2353f636d6_z.jpg)

I was hoping to salvage some bodies for Mordheim gangs and Empire army. I hate how my Swordsman models turned out, and I am essentially using leftover parts from the older Empire sets. I actually bought the newer Swordsman/Spearmen/Halberd kit some time ago, but I didn't think the design of the models went with the figures I already had, which I prefered. Its like the older models are more medieval, and the newer ones are more renaissance. And the newer feathers... not crazy about them. I will admit there are a lot of really cool newer Empire character models, but I am just not crazy about most of the rank and file and their cockatoo feathers. That's why I sold it. But I thought if I could get enough of the newer bodies from this lot, replace their arms with the older ones, I would have something in the middle. And since the have a better WS than your average joe, they are slightly elite-ish, so they are getting slightly better gear.

So anyway I also noticed that there was a lot of crossbow men so I thought about making a crossbow unit if I could.

Plus it came with the Empire General's horse, which I was really looking for. I plan on putting the general I already made on it.

So whoever painted these was a maniac and soaked them in black spray paint and added a lot of thick paint I had a hard time stripping. This might be one of the hardest times I have had getting paint off plastic. I know I could have bought all these from GW, but the lot was only $25 so it was saving me some money. This will probably be the last time I buy models that need stripping. I am just so sick of it.

So after a stupid amount of work, here is what I salvaged:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48484392372_19ff0a1b6a_z.jpg)

Some are in pretty crappy shape and still need to be separated, but some I just wont use them. But I have enough to really build up my Mordheim gangs, and make the swordsman and crossbow units I wanted.

In addition to the original sprues that game with Mordheim, I have all this too (in better condition) from another lot I bought sometime ago:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48484237131_ebd36ae4f8_z.jpg)

Hopefully will finish assembling the swordsman this weekend and will post pics when I am done. Essentially old heads, old arms, and old shields on new bodies.

AND! While I wasn't crazy about the newer feather hats on my Empire army, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PERFECT FOR MY MARIENBURG GANG! Very excited!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 08, 2019, 12:47:07 AM
Loving the progress you're making here, well done! :eusa_clap: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 09, 2019, 10:26:38 PM
Thanks!

I said I would work on the swordsman this weekend and I lied. I just finished assembling them.

I used the best three of the new swordsman bodies for my Reikland gang, and used the remaining for my Empire swordsman. I didn't take any pics during assembly, but they looked pretty good when primed. Unfortunately I was recycling arms and heads from the swordsman I made previously, which were already primed, and I didn't want to add too many coats so I have to glue pre-primed pieces and it was a lot of fun.  :icon_rolleyes:  Btw I hate the standard bearer... he looks like a douche. I used the very last of my parts to make him awhile ago, but now that I have some of those new bits I will make a new version of him.

Here they are with my Empire General and his new horse. I just finished cleaning and repairing that horse as well. What a mess that horse was.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48499003452_7b58cc7aa9_z.jpg)

The shields do hide a lot of imperfections which is great. I have to be honest, I am stoked to use all leftover bits to make these guys, but had I known how important swordsman were in the beginning I prob would have used better parts. Nevertheless I hate waste and are happy I was able to even use these old shields that came in a lot some time ago, which I had no plans for. There is a mix of heads and I really try not to use the same head twice in a 10-man unit unless its wearing a helmet.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48498830406_593e0945f3_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48499333527_d4d2d792e8_z.jpg)

Now the General I am really happy with. When I first decided to get into Warhammer, the first starter set I got was 6th. I liked the options to make the captain (with the hat and with the helmet), but was bothered I didn't have the parts to make the same guy on a horse as well as on foot. My thought was, what if my general gets off his horse? At the time I didn't know the horse just improves your save. And when I asked about riders (at the time we were discussing monsters), I asked what happens to the rider if the monster is killed? You replace him with a foot soldier or something. Well, f--- that. That doesn't do it for me. I decided that all my army commanders would have the identical model on foot if I also had him on a mount. So this means tracking down additional parts and so on, like 2 High Elf Nobel sets, etc. So far its worked out nicely. For the Empire, I wanted my general based on this guy:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48498830606_a12b276a6b_n.jpg)

Who is on the side of the starter set.

So I got as many of the Empire command sprues as I could get. I also used the leftover parts to make the Captain looking guy on the horse on the back of the box, both on a mount and on foot. Don't know why I had to do this. I guess I like giving my armies a story, or having extra models for different scenarios and such. Anyway, I was really glad to get this horse, as while I liked the one that came in the starter a lot, it was also the same one I was using for my Captain and Knight Champion, and wanted something that really stood out.

So my General, on mount and on foot. Will attached the shields at some point.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48499002917_385fbd1f4e_z.jpg)

I had to remove some of the saddle to get him to fit due to his coat. His coat also covers up some blemishes the guy before me made.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 10, 2019, 12:32:23 AM
I've always liked that kind of idea, congrats! :icon_cool: :::cheers::: :eusa_clap:

And the swordsmen look good too.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 10, 2019, 06:58:52 PM
Thanks!

I am moving right along. Here are the crossbowmen:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48505064026_d2e77c29fb_z.jpg)

These are the last of my Empire bits from what I had prior and then from that auction I won that I mention above. These are probably the lamest figures I have, but not bad considering they come from leftover bits. I still have some gaps to fill as you can see. I also only have so much flashy bits and I am saving those for my last unit, the Halberdiers. I figured these guys are like the least talented of the bunch and that us why they have been relegated to crossbows, so I left them as basic as I could.

I have to be honest, since my Handgunners are move or fire, and so are these, I am thinking a unit of bowmen would have been a more superior choice since they can move and fire.

On my list of things to do is finish off my Empire Knights (I actually did these first a while back, but made from a lot that someone else assembled and did a crappy job and I did the best that I could, but I ended up getting a ton of more parts in mint shape so going to to some part swapping), the Halberdiers, Great Cannon, Mortar, Wizard, and Captain, and that will be it for my Empire army. After that I plan on finishing my Orcs.

Speaking of Orcs... I bought the Rock Thrower. I didn't even need it but I got it for a good price. Like the crossbowmen, I guess its a nice to have. I am sure it will look nice on the gaming table.

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 10, 2019, 10:15:18 PM
Yes! :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 11, 2019, 10:34:22 PM
I might have mentioned that the seller who sold me the Dwarf Gyrocopter sent my item late and threw in a couple of Dwarf sprues to make up for it. I thought I might be getting 10 dwarves, but they must be older ones since they had 4 dwarves each, and was incomplete, only giving me 6. I’ve decided to use these guys as the base for a Mordheim Dwarf treasure hunter gang.

That being said, when I organized my collection, I decided to finish off assembling my Battle of Skull Pass Set. I finished the dwarves some time ago but was having a hard time psyching myself up to finish the goblins. Well, I know I said I would concentrate on the Empire but just knocked off everything that came in that set. Welcome to my world. I have to admit I am not a crazy fan for either army, but the 7th edition set is a nice starter. Was this popular when it was released?

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on August 12, 2019, 12:44:40 AM
It was for many reasons.
The price was great for the number of models. Night goblins were pretty decent chaff in 7th edition IMO.
For a time, it was the only place you could get plastic dwarf miners.
Buy two boxes, one takes all the goblins, the other all the dwarves and you had a decent based of an army.

It also lended itself VERY nicely to a starter set for converting all the models into a chaos dwarf army.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 12, 2019, 12:54:24 AM
The goblins could be added to the orcs from the 6th edition set.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on August 12, 2019, 11:06:59 AM
The goblins could be added to the orcs from the 6th edition set.

Correct. Which is actually what our friend here has done.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 12, 2019, 02:29:29 PM
Yeah that was my initial plan, but now I have enough to field 1000 point armies for both. I keep buying Orc stuff even though I don't need it.  :eusa_wall:

Speaking of which, does anyone have a couple of plastic Orc Arer boys I can buy? I only need two. They are for Mordheim.

I can't emphasize enough how much the Battle of Skull Pass influenced my approach to collecting WFB. The make up of the armies set the template for how I went out for all the others. And it wasn't until I started getting the Battalion sets, and the fact they included more points each then the armies that came in Skull Pass, did I move on to setting the army size to 1000 (even though I have obviously gone past that for some armies). But for the most part, units size, command models, etc, everything I am doing is modelling after that set so everything is consistent. And I am using everything, unlike the 8th set, where I am not using the High Elf Griffon (its just a nice to have).

And I love terrain. I know Skull Pass doesn't include much but I think it adds a nice touch and goes a long way when you are first getting started. I actually don't like starter sets that do not include terrain. Even if they are cardboard, just include something. But I am happier going with less troops and some meaningful walls or something to block LOS than to just have a bunch of models and to leave all that up to me. But I also know I am a minority in this matter.

Also, I want to be sure I am doing the right thing here. I didn't realize that my Longbeards come with the option for hand weapon/shield or great weapon. I thought the models were just great weapons and RH only has the hand weapon/shield option. But I also have the Iron Breakers, who have hand weapons/shields too. So do my warriors. The Longbeards can be build as Hammerers, and they have great weapons too, and are in RH as well. Not crazy about the Hammerer models, but they are different. A lot of Dwarf stuff looks the same. The Miners have great weapons too tho. Is that too many great weapons for the size of my army? Some of my armies don't have any great weapons and I would be giving two units in my Dwarf army those weapons.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 12, 2019, 02:49:00 PM
Yes, terrain can be a nice touch to a starter set.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 13, 2019, 02:02:14 AM
Okay so I mentioned that one of my standard bearers looked like a douche, and I wasn't crazy about some of the selection of heads for some of my crossbowmen, so I decided to try and do something about it and moved some heads around. One of the things I just did has me pretty excited.

This is a leftover Knight Champion head, with his head trimmed down, with a hat and feather I made from bits.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48524898687_469e41c05c_c.jpg)

I intended it to be for one of my standard bearers, but it turned out his hat wouldn't fit properly with the flag in the way, so I swapped out one of the swordsman heads and put that head on the standard bearer's body. I love the new swordsman. Prob should have put the head on the champ, but he's just a line guy. Second row as a matter of fact. And on one of my least favorite bodies too lol. Pretty happy things have turned out.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48524793031_133e49b153_c.jpg)

Recipe:

1) New Empire Swordsman body
2) Empire Knight Champion head
3) Old Empire hat and feather
4) Old Empire Swordsman arms
5) Old Empire Shield
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 13, 2019, 07:11:11 AM
Looks suitable! :eusa_clap: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 13, 2019, 11:20:07 PM
Guys, does this guy look stupid or too over the top?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48532133332_2245c4d950_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48531980086_3fd52f2fd0_c.jpg)

I am using these guys as a template:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48532133277_8794dd0b23_c.jpg)

I am trying to mimic the crossbowman with the big feathers. I took the part from the command sprue.

I am struggling to decorate this guy up a bit. He is my unit champion. I don't want to do too much as he's running a group that isn't flashy itself, but on the other hand I want him to stand out as the champion he is. I don't have a lot of options though. I do have a smaller feather piece I could use. The two feather piece for the flat hats. I could use that instead... what do you think?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on August 14, 2019, 08:28:29 AM
I think he looks great. The skirt / kilt and armoured legs will make him standout when painted. The head and feathers are fairly standard and interchangeable depending in the unit you are making. Considerng the rest of the crossbowmen there aren’t a lot of feathers, I think its fine.

I like that you had inspiration though from the heraldry book!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 14, 2019, 10:37:32 AM
The skirt and armored feet have him looking different than the one pictured, but I like him anyway! :icon_biggrin:

I've always enjoyed the heraldry book, and it does have plenty for inspiration. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on August 14, 2019, 10:48:00 AM
Excellent! I could take a cross bolt honourably from such soldier 😺
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 14, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
Excellent! I could take a cross bolt honourably from such soldier 😺

LOL!

Okay then I will leave it. I was totally prepared this morning to read 'get rid of it'.

Yeah that book is awesome. I am using it as a reference for my Reikland and Middleheim gangs too. I can't want to show you guys what I am doing with my Reikland mercs.

I am going with Talabheim for my Empire army. Main reason I guess is that I am influenced by GW. Easy for me to get references. While I like Altdorf color scheme more, my Bretonnians are going with the blue/red scheme, and I don't want two armies being the same. I really don't like working with white or red, but its very different than all my other armies.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 17, 2019, 11:07:14 PM
Ok, remember when I said I bought those 10 Skaven Plague Monks? And I picked up that extra body bit? Well, I made my Plague Priest today.

The official GW one:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48561756101_f66bb34ceb.jpg)

And mine, made from leftover bits I don't need from my Plague Monk sprues:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48561898237_d0049c2170_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48561755941_f42d491b27_z.jpg)

I think the GW one is supposed to have some kind of Morning Star or Flail thing, so I know my staff thing doesn't look like it, but based on the bits I had and the shape of the chain, I did the best I could. Hey, its either $26 for the GW one, or $2 for what I just did. He's just going to have to use what he's got and hope for the best.

So here is my Skaven command, debating how they are going to set fire to my 6th starter containing my Empire troops.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48561895847_0a423872bd_z.jpg)

Also, when I took the Plague Monk stuff out of my box, I set some models on the floor. One of my dogs, who loves to jump vertically crazy high, jumped up and body slammed my custom Skaven Standard Bearer I recently finished (previous page), breaking the standard from the hand, and sending the custom index finger I made off to who knows where. I did some minor surgery, and also cut down more of the banner to differentiate it from the Stormvermin one more, but I don't have it in me to make it as perfect as I had before. Dammit!

Bad dog!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 19, 2019, 11:17:42 PM
Pets and miniatures can make less than good pals. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 19, 2019, 11:46:16 PM
I'm supposed to be working on my Empire army, right?

Here's my new Goblin Big Boss.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48580120141_f7f5f3a6f8_z.jpg)

I didn't know this model existed until a few days ago, and I am happy to have him. I didn't like my previous plan. My 1000 point army is a little short on points so I thought I would get a second Big Boss, but hoped I could find one more intimidating than the one that came with the Battle of Skull Pass. Unfortunately, while cleaning off the flash I clipped off a little piece from his head which turned out to be his ear, so I had to scratchbuild another, and in attaching it, put a little too much glue around the area and loss some detail. Ugghh. I may bath him in some thinner and start over, but attaching the ear was a pain in the ass.

So my Goblin heros:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48580263537_31591508bb_z.jpg)

Now I know in posting these pics no one is going to be impressed until they are painted, but that is some time off. I prefer to have an army all assembled and primed before breaking out a brush. And these Goblins are supposed to be 4th in line in the list of things to do. The Skaven above are 6th! I just can't focus.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 20, 2019, 12:47:50 AM
Okay I spent some time trying to sand down the ear some, and put a light coat of ink around it to see what kind of details there were. I think its okay, but I can't help but think every time I look at this mini, I am going to stare right at his ear.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48580615552_a7e48ee455_z.jpg)

Someone tell me to either sink him in thinner and start over to tell me he is fine.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 20, 2019, 01:32:46 AM
I just dropped him in thinner. He’s too important of a model to have a fucked up ear. Will work on this in a couple of days.

Dammit!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 20, 2019, 02:17:01 PM
I have this vampire leading my vampire counts army:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcREoS0reCjIplaZjAqZZfqtwL4Q-ukbMOMPAJ3h8QOVNStblFRy)

Can anyone tell me what that giant spike is coming off his shoulder? I hate it. Thinking about cutting and sanding it down to something much smaller.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 20, 2019, 03:15:46 PM
I imagine it is used when he plays Blood Bowl.  Shoulder down, and full speed ahead!  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 22, 2019, 12:58:46 AM
lol it does seem far more appropriate for Bloodbowl…

I mean, seriously, the weight of that spike should cause him to fall over. Or at least drag a foot when he walked.

I fixed my Goblin. I guess it might be hard to tell from the photos but its a huge improvement. I just used a small piece and less glue to attach it. Will sand it a bit more to shape it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48596135471_c70ac424be_z.jpg)

Moving on!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on August 22, 2019, 10:44:34 AM
These guys are looking great!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 23, 2019, 12:54:39 PM
Thanks!

So remember my dog breaking my Skaven Standard Bearer? Well, it turns out he also landed on a Skaven foot solder, bending him over but luckily not breaking him, which was easily fixed, but also, he broke one of my Elf Sea Guard, who came broken but I fixed him previously.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48603662647_a917aa3bf3_z.jpg)

The piece from the spear... That was broken already when I opened the box, and I made a new piece by adding a piece of plastic like you see in place now, and sanded it down to take shape. It actually turned out nearly perfect. So for all the things to break, I have to do this all over again. And its time consuming, as there isn't much holding the plastic to the spear, so I have to go slow. Ugghh.

I swear, two steps forward and one step back. I just want to be done with this box set already!

Also, I have some big news I should be able to share next week. Its a special Projekt I am putting together, but I don't want to reveal anything until just about everything is in place. I imagine some of you will think its pretty cool, some stupid, and some will just be confused as to why I would bother. But I am pretty excited so stay tuned.

And no, it has nothing to do with the 6th Starter set, nor 7th and 8th, which I should be working on.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 23, 2019, 01:45:40 PM
One step at a time is a good policy. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 23, 2019, 07:28:18 PM
I have a question about Bretonnian Knight Lances.

RH says that they form into a wedge like

   []
 [] []
[] [] []

And so on. So for this reason I gave my unit 6 knights. But what if I only had 5? Would I remove the middle Knight in the third row, and leave the last two on the wings? Or line them up behind the second line like:

  []
[] []
[] []

Thanks
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on August 23, 2019, 08:30:25 PM
That is incorrect. The Lance formation forms up in ranks of three models wide. So, a lance of 6 Knight would be in two ranks of three models, and, as usual, casualties would be taken from the last rank.

Who is RH?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Padre on August 23, 2019, 08:44:13 PM
The Lance formation used to be like that in some early version of the rules I vaguely recall. I cannot remember which exactly as I have been playing since first edition in 1983. I suspect it was third edition.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on August 23, 2019, 10:08:52 PM
The Lance formation in wedge form still existed in the 5th edition, but from the 6th edition onwards, the current version was in play.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on August 23, 2019, 10:17:58 PM
And if you are playing the 5th edition wedge: if you have not enough knights to fill a whole rank, you place the available models on the edges, and leave gaps in the middle (the same when removing casualties).
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 23, 2019, 11:15:31 PM
This is what it says in Ravening Hordes:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48608393793_3a04362f1f_z.jpg)

I do have a pdf of the 6th edition Bretonnian Army book, but the lance they describe in there is different.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 24, 2019, 02:23:15 AM
While you guys are chewing on the Bretonnian rules, here are my Orc heros.

Like my other armies where I have a mounted hero, I have a version of him on foot.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48609322978_f6cc421fa6_z.jpg)

I know you've seen this guy before. Nothing special. I am on the fence about his facemask. While I like it, I also like seeing the face...

And my Big Boss with another on foot, and a Shaman. I love the Shaman model.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48609685021_1798026a5b_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 24, 2019, 02:33:19 AM
No face mask gives a good show of their character for fantasy. :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on August 24, 2019, 07:02:56 AM
I do have a pdf of the 6th edition Bretonnian Army book, but the lance they describe in there is different.

Why, yes. When I was talking about editions, I meant the ABs. The 6th edition BRB was a major change compared to the 5th edition BRB, and Ravening Hordes was released [just after the 6th edition BRB] to provide 15 initial "Get You By" Army Lists, which replaced all 5th edition AB, up and until the respective 6th edition Army Books came out.
So, from the 6th edition Bretonnia AB (February 2004), the current system was in place - which is not surprising, as there has not been another Bretonnia AB since.   
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on August 24, 2019, 03:10:12 PM
Ravening Hordes describes the 5th edition method.

Like Fidelis mentioned, its the middle model in the back that is not placed - you still have models on the left and right.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 27, 2019, 02:52:38 AM
Ok thanks! I am going to make a lance shaped movement tray for them.

I mostly fixed my Elf's spear. Have a little shaping to do. Hope this doesn't happen a third time.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48627090431_96caf12239_z.jpg)

Also...

******************************************
!!! BIG NEWS ALERT !!!
******************************************

So I came up with this idea a few weeks ago, and things went in motion pretty quickly because some great auctions came along and I pounced. But I wanted to wait till everything was in place before mentioning it.

I am building a pure Gnoblar/Hobgoblin army. Well, a 700 point one, so a small one.

I am using Ravening Hordes, but leaving out the Chaos Dwarves.

I had planned some time ago to use some leftover Gnoblars to put towards a Chaos Dwarf army, but I can't get into the Chaos Dwarves at the moment. Maybe some day. But in the meantime for some reason I like the Gnoblars and thought I would try to do something with them, as I liked reading about them in the Ogre Kingdoms army book.

So looking over the Ravening Hordes list, I didn't have a lot of options:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48627072946_b0421a477e_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48627072871_9a4e3451da.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48627219017_4cff31411f.jpg)

And worse the plastic Gnoblars don't come with a lot of options. But some of the models got me thinking.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48627811026_e75d0dac47_z.jpg)

Looking over the lists, I decided I could do a few things. With a third Gnoblar set, I would have a total of 72 figures. Enough for 7 10-Gnoblar units and 2 figures for bosses. But I didn't have many weapon options except for what came on the models. I then stumbled on a couple of auctions that changed everything.

First was a semi complete unit of 10 Goblin Wolf Riders, who I could use as Hobgolin Wolf Riders. I didn't get all the parts to make Goblins, but I didn't need them. All I needed was the legs, wolves, and shields.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48627072706_6d8ee1195d_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48626725178_9b6ebbb699_z.jpg)

But then! I found this lot of Goblin junk!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48627072601_f221eb9d1d_z.jpg)

I couldn't make out all that was included but I was just hoping for enough parts for 10 bows. Turns out I have many, many more and lots of other goodies.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48627219312_202f0c5e6d_z.jpg)

Some of this stuff I don't recognize either. But the point is I have some parts to make standards, musicians, extra weapons, and so on.

So the plan is this... I am going to kitbash a couple of Hobgoblin heros.

Then I am going to break up the Gnoblar models by weapons to make the following units:

1 unit of 10 Gnoblars with weapon and shield (I have enough of these guys in the Gnoblar set but will customize)
1 unit of 10 Gnoblars on Wolves with weapon and shields - Might add bows. Probably should add bows.
1 unit of 10 Gnoblars with bows (using parts above)
1 unit of 10 Gnoblars as Sneaky Gitz (using the guys with two hand weapons and some other customizing)
and then 3 units of Gnoblars with whatever is left. Basically just a hand weapon and that's probably it. Fills out the 72 models I have.

Of course, all with champs, standards, and musicians. As a matter of fact, if I can't make enough standards, I am going to use the guys who are pigging backing as standards, like they didn't have enough to make one so they did that instead.

Its a shame the lists don't offer spears... cause I got a ton of the goblin ones in that auction.

I also picked up a set of these:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48627461813_f04a03f26b_z.jpg)

to spice things up.

I will juice up a couple of positions with those random Gnoblars, or use those to make a crew for the Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower that just arrived. Not sure I want to use the Hobgoblin crew since they dont really match the Gnoblars.

To make the wolfriders, I am literally going to be cutting the Gnoblars in half and attaching the torsos to the Goblin legs, and then it will be a lot of work cutting off various arms to attach the bow arms, and then sanding everything down to look as natural as I can get it. The Gnoblars are really skinny and parts aren't a perfect match, but they are such pathetic little creatures I am not sure its going to make a big deal.

So no wizard or shaman. No elite units or tough units at that. Totally expect these guys to get steamrolled, but that is okay. I am totally into this for the theme and for the fun. And of course I can use many of these down the line with the Ogres and Chaos Dwarves. I really do not like the old Hobgoblin figures, and the Gnoblars seem to be the new versions of them, so thought this would be cool.

Also, I am excited that I have some Goblin torsos in the wolfriders set so I can add a couple of goblins to my Mordheim Orc gang. So everything worked out beautifully.

What do you guys think? Insane?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 27, 2019, 11:19:37 AM
You know, now that I have re-read all this, I am like wtf. Totally have enough to work on that I shouldn’t be spending money and time on these little fools. Oh well.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on August 27, 2019, 01:24:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cePMMZA.jpg)
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 27, 2019, 03:00:41 PM
You know, now that I have re-read all this, I am like wtf. Totally have enough to work on that I shouldn’t be spending money and time on these little fools. Oh well.
I have multiple projects moving along started, too. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on August 27, 2019, 08:27:15 PM
You know, now that I have re-read all this, I am like wtf. Totally have enough to work on that I shouldn’t be spending money and time on these little fools. Oh well.
I have multiple projects moving along started, too. :icon_wink:
I believe there are 6 mounted crossbow men somewhere in the project list. (We have not forgotten)

@KTG17 : just having them is great. When you get overloaded on one project you can relax with another.

Edit: forgot to mention. Gnoblar army is a great idea. Would love to see that come to fruition
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 28, 2019, 02:46:25 AM
Thanks...

Well, it turns out that hoards o bits seller seemed to forget the whole reason I made an order from him in the first place: the Gnoblars! I have no idea if I will ever get them. What a shame. I really wanted a few figs in different poses.

 :icon_cry:
 :icon_cry:
 :icon_cry:
 :icon_cry:
 :icon_cry:

Dammit!!! It’s cause I told you all about my plans too soon! Should have kept it secret and instead I jinxed it.

Fire Truck!!!! - Warlord mod
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on August 28, 2019, 12:30:31 PM
Keep hunting and you'll find them.  Gnoblars are small wee folk, and good at hiding! :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Midaski on August 28, 2019, 03:48:49 PM
I am sure I have some mounted crossbow figures somewhere in the deep dark recesses of a cupboard ... ... ...

Maybe I should find them and model them, and paint them up.

#Crossbow Shaming      :engel:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Novogord on August 29, 2019, 05:37:28 AM
You know, now that I have re-read all this, I am like wtf. Totally have enough to work on that I shouldn’t be spending money and time on these little fools. Oh well.
I have multiple projects moving along started, too. :icon_wink:
More then I have finished :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on August 29, 2019, 11:46:05 AM
It appears I have fallen into the infamous Warhammer Fantasy Trap, which I was forewarned about. I thought I would be strong, not weak. I set a 700 point limit, then 1000, then just ditched the limit. Now I am just making up armies that don’t need to be made. AND NOT GETTING THE PARTS THAT I AM ORDERING. Oh and the seller isn’t even responding. Total mofo.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 02, 2019, 10:15:51 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Dwarf Hammerers. . .

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48668084462_b56ce1c0e2_z.jpg)

Interestingly enough, when I originally got the box set, it was for the Longbeards. But then I realized that the Longbeards looked like the rest of all of my dwarves (especially my Iron Breakers), and I also think it was mentioned here that GW killed them off in a later edition (correct me if I am wrong), so I started looking at doing the Hammerers. I have to be honest, their look didn't do much for me, especially their helmets, but then I realized that would set them apart from the rest so decided to do them instead. Glad I did I love their look now they are all assembled. They were a pain in the ass to assemble.

So all that is left to finish for my 1000 point army are the Iron Breakers! That is, if I ever get around to doing them.

I haven't looked into it yet... but if the Miners have great weapons, and the Hammerers have great weapons... what's the difference? Ah... WS. Cool.

Oh, and it should be noted that I took the advice and got a set of the plastic Night Goblin Fanatics. The set of three. So I think I am done buying for those guys too.

Oh part 2, I do also have that Dwarf Gyrocopter to build too.  :icon_neutral:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 03, 2019, 04:42:36 PM
I have a question about Army Battle Standards. The rules for them and magic banners refers to the unit, which I am assuming that it might join. What about if it is attacked on its own? Do the rules apply to just the single banner carrier?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 03, 2019, 04:58:40 PM
A BSB on his own is, just like any character on his own, also a unit.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 03, 2019, 05:08:29 PM
Okay thanks! I've been giving Army Standards a thought...
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 03, 2019, 07:08:49 PM
In the 6th edition, he is not as valuable as in the 8th, where he allows re-rolls of all Leadership tests. Also note that, if he takes a magic banner, he cannot take any magic items, and, in the 6th edition, he cannot take any mundane equipment either, except for L/H/FP armour and barding for his steed.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 04, 2019, 02:36:06 AM
You know what, I am going to do it. I am going to make the second hero I have for each army a Army Standard Bearer, where they are allowed (I noticed the option isn't there for Lizardmen in RH). I magically already have much of what I need from earlier purchases and what I have coming in the mail. Just a few armies I will have to do some shopping for.

ALSO! I was looking over my stuff for Mordheim, and the great thing about Mordheim is that I can pull models from my WFB collection to add to my gangs. I want my initial 8-10 gang members to be purely 'Mordheim', but imagine I can borrow the Troll from Skull Pass for my Orc gang, or one of my Rat Ogres from Island of Blood for the Skaven, etc etc. Well, one thing I realized is that I wish I had more Zombies for my Undead gang. The box set only comes with 5.

However, looking over the sprues (from Mordheim and my Vampire Counts Battalion) I noticed I have 8 heads on each of the 5 total Zombie sprues that I have for a total of 40, and more arms than I need. Well, you remember all those loose figs I got awhile back that I got for my Swordsmen and Crossbowmen? Well I have a ton of bodies left from that and others in crappy shape (I only used the best ones for my Empire army and Mordheim Reikland and Marienburg gangs). So with 25 legs and torsos from the Zombie sprues, I am going to use the leftover various Empire bodies to make 15 more Zombies, for a total of 40, so that I will have a total of 10 Zombies for Mordheim, and now 30 for the Vampire Counts! I love when a plan comes together.

Amazing how shit works out sometimes. Really, really trying to find a use for everything as well as save here and there so I can buy a few of the more pricer stuff.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 04, 2019, 07:06:11 AM
Lizardmen can take a BSB - and he is much better than the normal one. You can upgrade a Slann Mage Lord or Priest to BSB, who can take a magic banner in addition to other magic items, and he can be the General as well.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 04, 2019, 01:20:12 PM
Oh wow you are right, the only problem is I am not building big enough armies to field Lords. Strange every army has battle standards for heros but the Lizardmen. I wonder why this is.

So I guess no BSB for my Lizardmen. I am not going to 2000 points!!!








!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 04, 2019, 01:57:56 PM
Look at what I just found:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48677417317_7abe2e0b2e_z.jpg)

Remember that base I made for the Black Coach? Well, we were debating the size for it and it looks like GW mounted theirs on a pretty wide one. It looks like a custom one based on the height of the sides, compared to the other bases around it. I am guessing its about 75mm wide? This is from the 6th edition army book btw. And btw, I did see a list of base sizes for models and the official base was a chariot base which we all know wouldn't be big enough.

Not that I am going to redo mine, but had I seen this before, I prob would have made mine wider. And lately the size of what I made is bothering me, since it came out a little wider than the official chariot base, so I thought I would just run it down through the saw again which would prob be enough. Guess it doesnt really matter.

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 06, 2019, 03:08:31 AM
Okay super excited to share this.

So as I am collecting for WFB, I am also collecting for Mordheim. I am trying to make warbands for all those listed in the (2nd edition?) rulebook (including the Dwarves and Orcs). So as I am buying up models for WFB, I am keeping an eye out for what I might be able to use for a warband. For example, all those second hand Empire models I got, some of them are going towards a Reikland Warband.

Well, once I got that haul of Goblin junk and Wolf Riders, I decided to add Goblins to my Orc warband. Its taken me a bit to get the right parts together for the Orcs though, and after getting the Warboss/Battle Standard kit, I am using some of those parts for my warband. I just love the chest piece with the wolf skin. Prob would look cool as a standard bearer, but since I want to make an identical foot/mounted bearer, and I only have one of these torsos, I think it makes for an amazing gang leader.

So anyway, here are the parts I am using for my warband so far. I was going to just use the shields that came in the Orcs regiment box, but that would not only have left me short, but also kinda repetitive, and I really want my warband figs to be different from my army guys, so I picked up some Savage Orc shields which I love.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48686446767_7bc617d61f_z.jpg)

So at the top is the Big Boss. To the upper left my Big Un, who I am still deciding on what to arm with. He's going to be the psychopath of the group, so I want the model to show that. I will prob give him one of those Orc face plate pieces. Then two boys with swords and shields, and 2 arrer boys. I know these are small groups, but I don't want to make a huge warband and I am still going to include 2-3 goblins (don't know how I will equip them yet - prob spears and shields).

I am planning on adding a Shaman, but not sure which model to use. I don't want to use the one from my WFB Orc army, even if I love the figure. It just doesn't look warband-ish enough for me.

I am some ways from assembling these and painting them. Kinda just getting all the parts I need as I go.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 06, 2019, 01:20:53 PM
I should add too that I am basing my warbands off the template of GW's pre-packaged warbands like the Witch Hunters and so on, where there is a leader, a champ or two, then a unit of 3 guys, and another with 2, with some exceptions like the Skaven and Undead. And of course, the 500 point starting limit. Marienburg will be a little bigger as they get to start out at 600.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 07, 2019, 12:39:43 AM
Guys I need help. I got my Night Goblin Fanatics today. Love them. Don't know how I put getting these guys off. I guess it was getting them for $9 that did it for me. Anyway, I got them on the sprue without the instructions, and aren't sure how to assemble them.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48691074272_525cc4bf53.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48690906461_a89959bf20.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48690566643_0c02f660a2_n.jpg)

You see how some of the models have a second ball coming off their side? Well one of the models has it attached to the model already, and its obviously attached to the greater chain. However the others don't have an obvious spot on the model to place them. Looking at the demo models, one looks like it comes off his belt, but I am not sure. Has anyone put these together, or know what the second ball is for? The model on the actual box doesn't have one, so I am not sure if this is an option, or each model should have two of them.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 07, 2019, 03:07:57 AM
Maybe the pictures on the box might help?  Oh, and glue. :icon_wink: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 07, 2019, 04:19:32 AM
Well the pics don’t show what’s going on on the back of the model.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 09, 2019, 10:49:07 AM
I had 2 boxes of them, and never put a second ball at the waist - didn’t even realise it was a thing! :blush:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on September 09, 2019, 12:28:47 PM
I had 2 boxes of them, and never put a second ball at the waist - didn’t even realise it was a thing! :blush:

Lol - the same 👆 never realized until reading your thread. I think that may be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 09, 2019, 01:23:34 PM
I am going to call GW later today and ask them.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 09, 2019, 02:20:29 PM
By the way, I like what you're doing with the Orc Warband.  What kit or where did the shields come from?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 09, 2019, 02:58:46 PM
The auction said 'Savage Orcs Boar Boyz'

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WARHAMMER-BIN-BITS-SAVAGE-ORC-BOAR-BOYZ-5x-SHIELDS/352768463151?epid=1685951954&hash=item5222a3912f:g:sscAAOSwTBtdZCM-

they are still available!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 09, 2019, 03:34:07 PM
Okay I called GW USA. Worthless.

So I called GW UK, and while they do not have the instructions for the older kits, he understood what I was asking and called it a counterweight that attaches to his belt. So just have to find a place on the model where I like it.

Interestingly enough, the old models didn't have this, nor do the new ones, so I prob could get away with not adding it, because its kind of a fragile looking link that I will no doubt break some day.

I just found this pic online btw.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/3549/3796048539_3463e1ddeb.jpg)

There is a model with one already attached, but it goes under his arm and it wasn't obvious what it was attached to (the belt or chain to the big ball).
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on September 09, 2019, 07:21:45 PM
I wonder what the story is on these in between addition?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 11, 2019, 12:53:59 AM
No idea... I just got here.

Okay I have a huge update. And I am a little ashamed. And embarrassed to admit that you guys knew this was coming, I said it wouldn't, and I folded.

So some history here...

So you know this guy? He came in the Island of Blood set:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48713849088_e8e9ab9f39_z.jpg)

Well, I figured my games would never be big enough to use him, but I figured I would keep him, and base my Elf General on him, so I bought a couple of Noble sets and came up with this:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48713848438_2dfb6f7bcf_z.jpg)

And over time, it was fine. But then looking it over one night, I wasn't crazy about the helmets being different. I thought that maybe if I had reversed the wings on the helmet, it might look more like the guy on the Griffon, and even went shopping for new bits to make new heads. The problem was they were kinda pricey, and I thought, "Why not just buy a couple of the actual guy on the Griffon and just use those heads and be done with it?" and that is what I did.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714179236_4ac007301f_z.jpg)

So I got two heads and will be replacing my General's heads with these. And the other noble will be the Army Standard Bearer as it was originally intended, as I have decided to go that route for all the armies.

So then, I was left with two Griffons. I checked RH to see who else could use one, and it turns out the Empire Lords can use them too. So remember this guy?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48499002917_385fbd1f4e_z.jpg)

Well, using some leftover bits I made:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714178941_379f505164_z.jpg)

I have to be honest, the skirt gave me a lot of problems, and I am not happy with it. It would probably be good enough, but more on that in a minute. I did some good things, like was able to use the reins and even clipped the top part from the Elf fist and added it to the Empire one.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714178761_98200c6f7e_z.jpg)

However, around this time I got this guy:

(https://miniset.net/files/set/gw-99120202011-0.jpg)

Mainly for parts for Mordheim, as I was dying to use the hat for my Marienburg captain. But I was going to use the other parts too. Like the standard for my Army Standard. But I was amazed how much I liked the parts. I said previously I wasn't crazy about the newer look of the Empire versus the more vintage stuff. But the look was growing on me, and I was irritated that I sold the one Empire State Troops box that I had.

Well, like 5min after this I find this on Ebay:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714312697_617e955af8_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714146761_6abbeaceba_z.jpg)

Well I had no idea this set was even released, and if I could get it for a good price, I would be able to replace my Spearmen, Handgunners, and the Halberdiers I was working on. I actually like my Swordsmen, so I didn't think I would need to redo those (maybe do some head swapping). I do prefer the newer General over the older one I have been working on, and I just prefer everyone has the same look. The newer look has won me over, and to be honest, in the short time I have been doing this, I have realized that the vintage Empire stuff isn't aging that well as I work on the newer models from other armies. And I imagine when I get to the Dark Elves or Bretonnians it will get even worse.

But if I didn't win the set, this would be put to bed and I would just keep what I have.

Well, I won it.
























And I decided to go shopping.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714146681_d0a82c194c_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48714146666_78101c75f5_z.jpg)

I don't even need the two above but the models rock and I just figured get them while I can. I am actually excited to get them.

And I got another Empire General set and some extra bits that I set aside for Mordheim. AND, since I have that extra Griffon (as I bought 2), I am going to do the same thing I did with my older General with the newer General by mounting him on the last Griffon. And since there is no skirt I am hoping it turns out better. Will post pics then done.

So its been a crazy week.

And this also means, that I have a Lord for the Empire and High Elf armies, and the Orc Wyvern is starting to look cool... I've always loved the Dark Elf Black Dragon, Grey Seers on Screaming Bells, or even the newer Lizardmen Slaan. I don't know, we'll see. I don't even know how powerful Griffons are yet, and if they stack up against some of these bigger models.

AND I DO NOT WANT TO GO TO 2000 POINTS!

Anyway, I am sure some of you are happy.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 11, 2019, 01:39:47 AM
Welcome to the addiction that is Warhammer-Empire! :icon_mrgreen: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 11, 2019, 02:11:19 AM
2000 points for 6th edition is optimum.
But unit sizes need to be thought about properly :evil:

I am very happy you have greatswords. One of my favourite units.
And helblaster will add a lot of flavour to your empire army too. And hitting power. 6th ed helblaster was great.
I very much approve of this development!

You can easily bulk points out by taking a lord on big mount. This applies to all armies really.
If you have those big, beautiful models, its only a matter of time before you want to field them.

Remember, orcs and goblins can combine to make a 2000 pt army easy enough...
But you shouldn’t listen to us, we are the devil whispering in your ear! :evil:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 11, 2019, 01:39:55 PM
2000 points for 6th edition is optimum.
But unit sizes need to be thought about properly :evil:

Yeah I know, but even though I am collecting extra figs, I think its more for the hobby sake and not game play. I still intend to keep games small in the 700-1000 point range.

Quote
I very much approve of this development!

Thanks, I figured you guys were mostly using the newer models at this point. I probably should have to, but I was trying to keep costs down and use the extra money for other things. I guess I bought all of those extra things now. I can't really upgrade the other armies, I have the more recent versions of all those battalion sets.

Now what do I do with all those older models? try to sell them? Incorporate them? Use them as a second Imperial Army? Maybe a rival city? I don't know. I HATE HAVING TOO MUCH STUFF.

Quote
Remember, orcs and goblins can combine to make a 2000 pt army easy enough...

Yeah I always imagined if I wanted to play larger games, I would just ally them up. Like 1000 Empire + 1000 Dwarf + 1000 High Elf vs 1000 Chaos Warriors + 1000 Beastmen + 1000 Daemons or something like that.

I really are more into variety than I am into bulk. That's mostly the reason I am keeping unit sizes small.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 11, 2019, 02:01:29 PM
By the way ... that 30 unit box set ... I picked one of those up a little ways back that I found on back shelf of a local hobby shop, what  a steal that was.  Good you found one of them too, and excellent little pick up, gives enough for a small block and a detachment, well done. :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 11, 2019, 02:11:26 PM
Yeah its great as it easily replaces what I have all in one go. It was just a matter of price. Buying those sets individually seems to run about $30 each these days, which I wasn't crazy about paying. I see it originally retailed for $45 based on the sticker on the box, and I paid a little over $60 with shipping. So 3 units for $20 each. I can live with that.

Had I not won it, I wouldn't have gotten the Greatswords nor the Volley gun. Its just once I was on board with the new style I was like might as well get it all, and I agree the Greatswords might be the best Empire models they made. A lot of character in those figures I am looking forward to building them.

I am curious though, their stats aren't great... and don't the great weapons mean you strike last? And with only light armor, don't these guys take huge casualties before they can hit back? Sorry buying models faster than I am learning the rules...  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 11, 2019, 03:48:09 PM
Yes, the Greatswords having a great weapon always strike last - except on the charge. Of course, in RH they only cost 5 points (6 with LA). In the later ABs , they have better stats, FPA, and are Stubborn - but cost 10-12 points (depending on the edition).
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Midaski on September 11, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
I don't think there is any problem with mixing models.

If you are talking Ed.6 plastics against the newer Empire boxes a lot of us have both. They may not look too good in the same regiment, but if you keep the styles together in units then it is easily plausible that different states have different uniforms, and indeed budgets to equip troops.

Puffy sleeves come in all shapes and sizes.  :engel:

The actual weaponry - particularly shooting items like crossbows and handguns - are more noticeable, but again it's like a poorer province has Lee Enfield 303s and the richer ones can afford AK47s  :closed-eyes:

The Empire is all about diversity.
Stick 20 men in a line and you will have heights from 6'3 down to 5'6" and weights from 140lbs up to 210lbs.



Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 12, 2019, 04:38:06 AM
In your previous empire unit line up, you had very little hitting power. These guys on the charge will hit like a ton of bricks. They will add tactical flavour to your previously bland-ish empire line up.
I am less upset with your 10 model units if you have some greatswords in the army  :-)
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 15, 2019, 06:17:17 PM
I did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I finally finished assembling an army!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dwarves!!!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48738141653_b42e21ac31_z.jpg)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48738144173_2cbc2e7ca7_z.jpg)

HAHAHAHAHAHA

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48738648547_c9b350dbfc_z.jpg)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48738465426_7373aef126_z.jpg)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YES!
 
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48738648212_4e5bd6e515_z.jpg)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... Hahah... whoo....

So I love the Ironbreakers. Might be the best Dwarf models I have yet to see. I am on the fence about mounting the cannon on a stand, because you can see all the goodies I have added around it... I don't want those lose let alone lose them. I am just on the fence about it and if I do it for one, I will have to do it for everyone.

Also, I have decided to make my custom Runesmith a Army Battle Standard. So will make some tweaks to it after the parts I ordered come in. I am still interested in having a Runesmith, although I just might buy an actual model of one.

I have a ton of leftover bits to use for my Dwarf Treasure Hunter warband for Mordheim now too. Very excited.

I know I know, you chaps aren't going to be impressed until I actually start painting, but I wanted to wait till the armies were done being built before I started breaking out the paint.

I reckon the next army that will be finished are the Goblins. I only have a unit of River Trolls and an Battle Army Standard to do.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 15, 2019, 06:19:44 PM
Dammit!!! I just realized I forgot to build the gyrocopter. AARRGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 15, 2019, 07:12:39 PM
I actually would like to take a moment here and post how I feel about these Dwarves. I have to be honest, I wasn’t impressed with the molds for the models that came in Skull Pass, but I recognize that they are starter models. But even still Dwarves aren’t even in the top 50% of my favorite armies, and had I known I was going with 6th edition for rules, I eventually would have gotten the Dwarf battalion set, but it would have been low on my list of priorities. Since I wanted to knock out all of the starter set armies first, I was able to get an idea of what other models I’d like to add to them, and those other models are really what turned things for me. I have a much greater appreciation for Dwarves now and are even glad I have something like the Miners, who’s models have a lot of character, even if silly, but also not something I would have pursued buying had they not come in the starter set. So the point of all this is, that as I have gone down this WFB road for the first time, I am amazed at the surprises I keep finding as I explore each army. I have never felt the same for 40k.

Very cool.

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on September 15, 2019, 07:33:50 PM
Congrats!!
It is a crazy feeling to have a completed army 😸
My dwarf contingent is the skull pass kit with som special characters thrown about
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 15, 2019, 09:21:08 PM
Congrats! :::cheers::: :icon_cool:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 18, 2019, 12:09:08 AM
Well I got the Greatswords and Volley Gun and wow, what nice models. I knew they looked cool online, but in person they are even better. I can’t believe I tried to make do with all of the vintage Empire models.

Speaking of that, I was going to keep my old Swordsmen, but I realize that would be silly. I had intended to keep them, then use that new 30-man set to made a unit of Spearmen, Halberdiers, and Handgunners, but I am thinking of keeping the vintage Spearmen I have, maybe just doing some headswaps to update them, and use the new set to make Swordsmen, Halberdiers, and Handgunners, which I think will made nice models. I am not crazy about using the new models for Spearmen.

The only thing I am debating is shields. I love the vintage ones I made for the Swordsmen with the cross, and I was thinking of using them for my new Swordsmen. I feel like the newer shields are too small. We’ll have to see.

I was thinking of keeping my old models and maybe putting them towards a different Imperial faction. Different city or something. Then maybe have some Empire on Empire scrap.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 19, 2019, 02:39:30 PM
That is how it starts. :wink: 6th edition had an easy entry point with Storm of Chaos which provided alternative armylist for each army, even with new units too. Then you find you had 2 armies from each faction. In some cases, like you mention you then build an army for each province. In Skaven’s case, you build one for each clan. In vampires case you build for each vampire type. Chaos for each chaos god. Then you end up in the same hole as the rest of us! :happy:

Good to hear you are slowly meandering down our well worn path!


That said, yes, the 6th ed troop shields are WAY better than the tiny ones. I like the puffy 6th ed sleeves on the 7th ed bodies myself, rather than the 7th ed arms which lack puff. The 6th ed spearmen have great puff. 6th ed handgunners I have never really liked, though they have puff.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 19, 2019, 02:58:53 PM
With imagination, there's always reasons for developing Imperial units from whatever figures and bits you have.

In the process of moving all my hobby things to a storage unit for organizing and moving in the direction of more hobby activity, I found more 6th edition Empire figures than I vaguely had recalled having.  I've got a battalion box that is only partially used (the militia detachment), a box of 20 halberdiers or swordsmen, a couple boxes of spearmen and handgunners, a box of crossbowmen, and of course a pair of militia kits, too.

Also, with the handgunners, I made a detachment of them from the 6th edition starter set, and although tricky to do, swapped up some of their heads with a knife and some glue.  Did that with the entire group of 20 spearmen as well.  These are of course from Averland. :icon_cool:

I got two unopened boxes of the 7th to 8th edition great swords, a box of pistoliers, and a box of huntsmen as well.

Keeping an eye out for more. :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Padre on September 19, 2019, 09:30:42 PM
I have a Middenheim Empire army, and a pirate army, and an arabyan army, and a mercenary army (Tilean and Estalian) all of which can be fielded as legal Empire army compositions, some with counts-as troops, and some with some house rule tweaks. I even have a Cathayan 'halberdier' regiment with crossbow detatchments that I could throw in. All painted, all huge (and growing).

These are just the empire variants. I have many, many other armies, sme of which also have variants - like a vampire counts army, but also an un-dead pirate zombies army.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 19, 2019, 09:55:55 PM
Sorry, if we are sharing empire variants, I have:
Hochland army
Stirland army
Reikland / Altdorf army
Middenhiem / Ulric army
Cult of Sigmar army
Mercenary army
Araby army
Beginnings of a Cathay army (not assembed, but pieces assigned)

Different models / ranges give each a distinct theme...
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 19, 2019, 11:07:36 PM
Time for a new thread ... I feel it it coming on ...
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 19, 2019, 11:20:56 PM
... there it is ... http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=53476.0  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 20, 2019, 11:40:47 PM
You guys are terrible, terrible influences... I am not going to 2000 points!

So I got my second (or third) Elven Lord on Griffon and I finished the heads I mentioned earlier.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48767115907_5ef7774e56_z.jpg)

Original on the left, mine on the right.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48766578703_86ce08ab95_z.jpg)

And both finished:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48766914956_fe9e8d89bd_z.jpg)

So now my Elven General has the same head whether he's on foot, on horse, or griffon.  :::cheers:::  I am super excited about this and I have to admit this is the biggest thing that has bothered me since I started collecting Warhammer Fantasy. It was pretty expensive to do too.

Will post pics when done. Will work on my NEW Empire General on Griffon after that.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 21, 2019, 11:40:53 AM
You could have always swapped the standard head on the griffin lord with something you had multiples of...
Too late now I guess!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 21, 2019, 01:19:39 PM
. . .

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 22, 2019, 10:09:21 AM
Sorry! Was just a random thought I had. That said, its a very good, fancy head!
Plus you get an empire griffon out of it.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 23, 2019, 01:40:43 PM
YOU WILL BE SILENT!

Yes the extra griffons were cool. And to be honest, I do think the Griffon Lord's head is the best of all of them. So no regrets. Or regerts, as I see on the internet at times.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 23, 2019, 07:59:21 PM
Has anyone ever used Ravening Hordes with 7th edition? Or any 6th edition Army books with 7th? Does it break anything? I haven't even really read the 7th rulebook, so no real idea on the difference between it and the 6th rulebook.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 23, 2019, 09:15:20 PM
Well, when the 7th edition BRB came out, you had to use the 6th edition Army Books. That was the case for every edition - with the exception of Ravening Hordes. However, the 7th BRB was just a modification of the 6th, not a complete overhaul like the 8th, so there was no real problem. In fact, problems for the 7th edition started, because of power creep as the AB got published over time.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on September 23, 2019, 09:24:09 PM
I haven't used the combo, but a couple friends think 7th ed BRB with Ravening hordes is the best approach.

-Z

Edited: meant The 7th ed BRB, not AB.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 23, 2019, 10:49:51 PM
No kidding... since my Dwarf army is assembled and so is most of my Goblin, I was thinking of running a game of 7th first using that Start Here First guide, and go from there. Just to get a better grasp on the overall mechanics.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 24, 2019, 03:02:07 AM
7th is a tidier base ruleset.
However some changes to be aware of:
5 wide ranks instead of 4
Great weapons mounted changed.
I think parry changed too?

I would suggest using the 6th ed terrain generator at the back though.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 24, 2019, 08:08:22 AM
Parry remained the same - that changed in 8th. That GW only provided +1S when mounted, but remained ASL was one of the dumbest changes of the 7th edition. Another major change was in Magic: the Magic Lores were overhauled (but still not overpowered), the miscast chart changed, and power dice generated by Wizards could only be used by themselves.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on September 24, 2019, 09:08:14 AM
7th is a tidier base ruleset.
However some changes to be aware of:
5 wide ranks instead of 4
[...]

I think 5 wide ranks were introduced already during the 6th ed. But how early/late in the edition? WD number?

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 24, 2019, 09:44:45 AM
Warlord is correct. Here is an old overview:

Quote
WARHAMMER 7TH EDITION RULEBOOK
RECORD OF RULES CHANGES - COMPLETE

In general, all rules text has been simplified where it was felt that it was unclear or overwritten. Some diagrams have been modified for extra clarity and new ones have been added where necessary.
Compatibility with existing army books was paramount throughout the entire process and has been 99% achieved!

The main changes are:

• Movement:

1. Charging units must now move to bring as many models as possible into the ensuing fight (from both their side and the enemy’s). This prevents exploitation with “clipping” charges.
2. Clarified how to move fleeing and pursuing units. Essentially: pivot the unit on the spot to face the direction it’s going to move towards, and then move it the distance rolled.
3. Clarified charge re-direction. Units hit enemies other than the ones they charged only if the new target is in their way as they charge after the fleeing intended target.
4. Re-worded the Change Formation manoeuvre so that it refers to the width of the unit’s frontage and not its ranks.
5. Killed the Snaking formation, as it is an obsolete rule that has long lost its reason to exist due to the newer rules for skirmishers and fast cavalry.
6. Clarified that units cannot voluntarily move off the battlefield unless specified in the scenario that is being played.

• Shooting:

7. A unit can now shoot only against one enemy unit and not multiple enemy units in any case, no exceptions.

• Magic:

8. Power dice generated by wizards can be used only by the wizards that generated them and not by other wizards in the army. The dice in the pool remain available to all wizards.
9. The Miscast Table itself is a lot nastier and the wizards can actually die from a Miscast, with rather spectacular pyrotechnic effects.
10. Spells in the Magic Lores have been reviewed in an attempt to make the least used Lores more appealing and tone down the ones that are a bit too good.
11. The Enchanted Shield cannot be combined with magic armour.
12. Reading a dispel scroll does not terminate the dispelling wizard’s Remains in play spells anymore.


• Combat:

13. Combat Phase sequence changed. The player whose turn it is picks combats in turn and each combat is completely resolved, including fleeing and pursuing, before passing onto the next. This clarifies the sequence in which fights, fleeing and pursuing happen. This change has several repercussions, such as allowing units to fight twice in a combat phase if they pursue into an existing combat that has not been solved yet during that phase (fight, win, pursue/overrun into another combat, fight again). Units, however, are limited to one pursue/overrun per turn only.
14. Fleeing is now always done directly away from the cause first, and then towards the closest table edge in following turns. Fleeing troops can move through friends (causing Panic), but are destroyed if they have to flee through enemies (of Unit Strength 5+) or impassable terrain. This solves the complex issue of the movement’s direction of fleeing and pursuing units.
15. The number of models needed to receive a Rank bonus in combat is now 5!
16. Killed the “Lapping Round” manoeuvre, but allowed winning units to perform a turn or change formation manoeuvre in combat, in order to bring more models into the fray.
17. Allowed the +1 combat res. bonus of the Battle Standard to stack on top of the +1 for units’ banners.
18. Added the Insane Courage rule: rolling snake eyes on a break test means the test is automatically passed, regardless of modifiers. This can even override auto-break from Fear-causing enemies!
19. Defended obstacles have been toned down. Units attacking over an obstacle simply lose the charging bonuses.
20. Clarified the rules for units that re-enter the battle after pursuing enemies off the table.

• Psychology:

21. Troops engaged in close combat do not take Psychology tests!
22. In order to cause Panic, friendly units fleeing/wiped out must have Unit strength 5+.
23. Unified all Panic ranges to 6”.
24. Removed the Panic test for fleeing friends within 4” at the beginning of the turn (it has effectively been replaced by the Panic test for friends fleeing through the unit).
25. Immune to Psychology gives immunity only to Panic/Fear/Terror, allowing positive psychological effects to affect the unit.
26. Unbreakable has now a Swarm box-out, which makes swarms suffer extra wounds when losing a fight, much in the same way as Undead.
27. Use combined Unit Strength of all units defeated in a fight against the combined Unit Strength of all fear-causing units on the winning side to determine if they are outnumbered by fear-causing enemies.
28. Stupidity does not affect units in close combat.

• War machines:

29. War machines without a crew are immediately destroyed by enemies in base contact with them.
30. Cannon balls hit all models they go through when hitting skirmishers or war machines and their crew.
31. Grapeshot uses the flame template, has variable Strength (Artillery dice) and causes D3 wounds.

• Weapons:

32. Great weapons confer only a +1 Strength bonus to mounted models.
33. Pistols simply count as hand weapons in close combat. If a model carries two+ pistols, it has the 2xMultiple shots rule.
34. Hand weapon+shield extra pip of armour applies only when fighting to the front and not to the flanks/rear.

• Skirmishers:

35. They cannot march if enemy is within 8” (this rule now applies across all units, no exceptions).
36. They get a single change of direction during the charge.
37. Added a section about skirmishing units of monsters and handlers.

• Monsters/chariots:

38. They get only one pivot during a charge.
39. Chariots can choose to move through difficult terrain and obstacles (but still suffer damage).

• Miscellaneous rules:

40. Regeneration is now a simple save working exactly like a ward save, except that it can be taken after ward saves (!) and is cancelled by flaming attacks.
41. “Always Strike First” has been standardised as a Special Rule.
42. Deleted the rule protecting Characters within 5” of friendly units. If not inside a friendly unit, characters are a unit of their own and can therefore be targeted normally!
43. Characters inside a friendly unit cannot be targeted by missile fire (and get ‘Look out sir’ if the unit is 5 or more models strong). This rule does not apply if they have Unit strength 5 or more. This allows characters mounted on multi-wound steeds (like Archaon, Tyrion etc.) to join friendly units without being picked out by enemy fire!
44. Buildings. Complete new rules for moving and fighting in buildings, including a spread on Special features (funky fantasy terrain!).
45. Clarified interaction of flying movement and terrain.
46. Magic resistance is passed from a character to the unit it joins and vice-versa.
47. Clarified rules for capturing Battle Standards.
48. Half VPs are now scored for units reduced to half strength or less, and not below half strength. The same is true of characters (so wounded Heroes yield half their cost in VPs!).
49. Units with Unit strength of less than 5 cannot capture table quarters, nor can they deny them.
50. Champion banners musicians and characters all equally have to be in the first rank (players are free to decide who goes at the back if there’s no space).
51. Clarified that fleeing generals and battle standards lose their abilities.
52. Clarified character-unit psychology interaction.

• Scenarios:

53. All scenarios have been either deleted or moved to the Hobby section. The rules section has now a “Starting the game” sequence that effectively explains the Pitched Battle scenario.
54. The rules for deploying terrain have been expanded, creating a terrain-set-up pre-game phase.
55. The player winning the roll-off at the beginning of the game gets to choose the table side but also has to start deploying, balancing out the importance of the initial roll.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: The Black Knight on September 24, 2019, 09:48:59 PM
The most important change about the 7th ed rulebook is that it had an index  :icon_wink:. Thank the gods for that!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 25, 2019, 01:02:37 AM
There was also the auto destroy if flee through a unit with unit strength 5 or more I believe... if it wasn’t already mentioned in Fidelis post (skimmed, but did not pick it up).
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 25, 2019, 07:43:26 AM
Number 14.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 25, 2019, 10:30:39 AM
I feel like that, and the charge redirect rules had a massive impact on 7th ed strategies.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 25, 2019, 01:02:46 PM
Ok I am going to make my first game in 7th. Seems with the index and pics that it will be easier for me to digest the rules.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 25, 2019, 11:12:53 PM
Well I just got that Empire Detachment set (was hung up due to the weather in Texas) and I am really glad I got it. While I was iffy on the State Troops all this time, I realize the handgunner/crossbow men models are vastly superior to the old models, which I do like. I had actually thought of mixing the two but I am just going to stick with the new ones.

I am still not crazy about many of the newer heads but whatever. I can see how Empire fans would have been big fans of these newer models. I wish I had cleaned out GW some time back.

I am really pumped about this. I was cool with the Empire army before but now I feel it has a 1000 times more character than what I had previously.

Also, does anyone know of any pics of the newer Halberdiers with shields? I don’t know where to put mine, and I wanted to use the older larger ones. I thought about putting them in the ground like they have jammed them into the ground in front of them, like they have set them down before fighting or something. Actually I just realized they would then get in the way. I thought of slinging them over their backs but not sure what they all would have to hook them to, if they didn’t have straps showing.

Help a brotha out! Go Empire!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on September 26, 2019, 08:17:16 AM
The newer Empire Detachment box (no longer in production), with the melee and ranged infantry, was a very tempting buy. Alas and IIRC, already back in 2009 it was out of production, and I couldn't find it locally. Didn't it also contain a Helblaster?

About halberdiers and shields, I have two, no three approaches. Two of them historical:

Historically, late medieval/renaissance infantry with halberds and pikes used the shields while advancing, and then either threw them away, or hanged them on their backs when engaging the enemy. So the shields were there to protect against arrows. Some units/armies had separate shieldbearers for the task. These could be the same guys who also fired the crossbows - and indeed, skirmishing crossbowmen with shields were the norm around the 14th and 15th century (very roughly). The shields used for this purpose, in this kind of formations, tended to be very big and rather rectangular, real pavises, sometimes with a pole for support and a pike at the bottom to lock them on the ground. No GW shields produced for the Empire ever had the proper size & looks for these kind of shields. 6th/7th ed Bretonnian infantry had such pavises, and the largest knight shields (also sold with some Bret infantry boxes) up to the 5th ed depict the earlier, more heather-like large shield.

The shields that come in the State Troop box are target shields (Tartsche in German). These seem to have had an Eastern origin, and were mostly used by cavalry. They started to appear in the 14th century (or even earlier in Eastern Europe). In the 15th century, the last century knights really used shields, target shields had become the norm. They were of many forms, but were mostly rather rectangular, with holes or other forms to support the lance or allow some tricks against the enemy weapon. This led to new forms of the heraldic shield too. Many GW fantasy shields echo these late heraldic shield forms, which were really never used in battles. So the State Troop shields are not very well suited for infantry fighting in formation. Some swordsmen detachments did carry such smaller shields, but they often chose round or roundish shields (the Spanish swordsmen for example). The State Troop shields might be better suited for cavalry than infantry, and you might want to look for other shields by other manufacturers for your infantry.

But who cares of history? It's a fantasy game.
In game, it's more about the look and the rules, and if you want to say your infantry has shields, better show it too.

All the State Troop bodies with breastplates do have some sort of strappings on their backs, although some of them are really thin, just lines on the garment. IIRC a couple have real straps. I don't think it too far fetched to say that these straps can be used to hang the shield. Carrying a small to medium shield on the back while using a two-handed weapon was practised. It will look good enough.

Some interpret the small target shields as buckler-like, and actually glue them on the forearm of the halberdiers (or the spearmen). Personally, I think it looks awkward. The shield doesn't protect much more than the forearm, it looks too heavy to use with the polearm, and it obstructs sight. Real bucklers were smaller and usually round. I don't recommend this option. But who am I to say what people do with their fantasy minis?  :engel:

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 26, 2019, 02:57:52 PM
Wow thanks Zygmund, it always amazes me how much peeps know regarding all this gear and tactics. I have learned a lot in this thread.

For shields, I was going to use these that I made for my old Swordsmen:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48499333527_d4d2d792e8_z.jpg)

And I have just enough leftover (along with a different symbol) to use for the Halberdiers. I have to be honest that I do like the variety of the newer, smaller shields, as opposed to having mine look all the same. I was going to try and get around that by painting them all a little differently. But the smaller ones do look dainty and wimpy, especially for the Halberdiers.

I agree I don't think they belong on the arm as in attached to a forearm, especially during a fight, but I figure these guys are advancing more than they are actually fighting... so maybe its not a terrible idea either.

And I am keeping the goofy round ones for my Spearmen (from the 6th starter) and my Knightly Orders will keep the larger shields too. So might as well keep things consistent. If I was to do a second Empire army, I imagine I would experiment with small shields.

WHICH I AM NOT. DON'T GIVE ME ANY IDEAS!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 26, 2019, 03:53:34 PM
I like it when a regular infantry unit has shields that look the same.  Not sure if that was the way it was done in the early renaissance or not.  Having different shields seems to imply they are land owners that have different heraldry.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 26, 2019, 06:42:10 PM
So I know I will never play this, or even have the rules for it, so I am not sure what all it does, but I think this is one of the coolest WFB models I have seen:

(https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120202031_CelestialHurricanumNEW01.jpg)

What does it do? Is it just a chariot for wizard? There are two kinds as you know, but does anyone know the difference between them?

(https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120202031_LuminarkofHyshNEW01.jpg)

Has anyone gone up against a Black Dragon? It looks like it would be the most powerful unit in the game just on size. How does it play?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 26, 2019, 08:34:17 PM
Both are 8th edition AB Arcane Battle Altars (or Wand Wagons, as I call them), which can be used as mounts for a Heavens or Light Wizard respectively, but also as units in their own right. The first one is the Celestial Hurricanum, adding a power die, giving all friendly units within 6"+1 to Hit. and also providing a rather meh spell. The second one is the Luminark of Hysh, adding a dispel die, giving all friendly units within 6" a 6+ ward save, and also providing a magical bolt thrower spell. The spell is better than the one of the Hurricanum, but rather superfluous, if you have one or more cannon (as you should have). Having a Wand Wagon as a mount for the respective Wizard does not add any specific benefit, other than those of a Ridden Monster.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 27, 2019, 01:03:10 AM
Assuming magic is in the 8th book (I know it’s overpowering), has anyone tried playing 6th or 7th edition rules with the 8th edition army books?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on September 27, 2019, 07:01:26 AM
I've never heard anybody trying out 7th ed BRB with 8th ed AB's. It could be interesting. At the very least, it would keep unit strength and curtail the number of attacks, which I think would help the game. It would also reduce the effectiveness of the monstrous units that have their own rules in the 8th and became common because of their crushing effectiveness. Then again, it might make those units unworthy. (IIRC, Ogre players weren't very happy about their army in the 7th ed, where there are no special rules for monstrous infantry.)

In general, the 8th ed AB's are even less balanced than the late 7th ed army books. The unbalance is both between the armies, and within the armies. For example, there is a wide agreement (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=46111.0) that the 8th ed Empire AB contains rubbish units and must-have units (if you want your army to prevail), and I believe this will not go away if you use the 7th ed BRB. This might not be a real problem if you play casual games with friends. But I think the 8th ed AB's make min-maxing more obvious and easier than the earlier editions' AB's.

If you like flirting with the 8th ed, I suggest you jump directly into the Ninth Age. The 1.1 is rebalanced 8th ed, and reintroduces some interesting units from the past Warhammer editions (Empire Foot Knights, Light Cavalry and Militia with pistols). The current 2.x has gone a bit further, but also cut back unit choices. You cannot find the 1.1 version online anymore, but hobbyists will be able to help you out. It's a very rules-lawyerish take on Warhammer, but still miles better than the 8th ed, methinks.

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 27, 2019, 01:44:24 PM
I got you. I was just wondering how one might be able to play one of these kickass models if they weren't included in the previous editions. Like I would love to build one of those wizard chariots, but I wouldn't bother if I couldnt play it. And I am not crazy about mixing the rules for it with rules for the rest of my army in a previous edition.

I did look into 9th age btw. I almost bought a hardcopy book. But my problem was the army lists that I saw. Not only were they pretty limited, but some units had a huge model count and I was like, 'well I am never doing that'. I might have gone in that direction if not for that. But you know me by now, I am variety over quantity and I love small units for the flavors, not for winning if that makes sense.

BTW, I never saw the Empire Huntsmen until they were sold out. The models look a lot like they would be skirmishers. Even the name makes me feel like they would be. Did they become so?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on September 27, 2019, 01:52:26 PM
quote KTG17:I am variety over quantity and I love small units for the flavors, not for winning if that makes sense.

Same. I remember battles with a good friend. Crazy competitive but insanely nice. He had his nurgle nightmare against my fluffy elves. ‘Are you sure you want to go through with this?’
Good times
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 27, 2019, 01:56:09 PM
Huntsmen are Scouts, and therefore also Skirmishers. Note that in the 6th and 7th edition, you had the option to upgrade Archers to Huntsmen.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 27, 2019, 02:12:52 PM
If playing 6th or 7th edition in a non-competitive situation, and I wanted to use one of the 8th edition Empire wizard machines, then I'd consider what the machine does with maybe scale it up or down in strength or points to have in an army.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on September 27, 2019, 03:09:13 PM
Agree. Just use the rules from 8th ed for it. Points to flavour. It is a rare choice or wizard mount.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on September 27, 2019, 03:29:58 PM
I must correct my previous statement somewhat: Huntsmen have both the Scouts and Skirmishers special rule. While AFAIK there are no Scouts without the Skirmishers special rule, the latter is not part of the former.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on September 27, 2019, 04:09:21 PM
Archers are skirmishers in Ravening Hordes! I missed that.

Man, I do with I had gotten those Huntsmen when they were for sale.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on September 27, 2019, 04:31:09 PM
Yep, the Huntsmen kit is a great one!  I have at least two unopened, maybe more, looking for others.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on September 28, 2019, 11:37:49 AM
If playing 6th or 7th edition in a non-competitive situation, and I wanted to use one of the 8th edition Empire wizard machines, then I'd consider what the machine does with maybe scale it up or down in strength or points to have in an army.

This. You do have the 8th ed Empire AB? If not, somebody here can give you the idea of the wagon rules, and where the two versions differ.

Also sorry for my wall of text regarding the shields.

I think using the same type of shields on all of your infantry creates a very coherent, unified look. The older shields I would hang on the backs of the Halberdiers. Maybe, just to show frontally more of the shields, I'd add a couple who have not yet levelled their halberds into the fighting position, and are still carrying their shields.

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 02, 2019, 02:36:48 PM
You do have the 8th ed Empire AB? If not, somebody here can give you the idea of the wagon rules, and where the two versions differ.

Also sorry for my wall of text regarding the shields.

I think using the same type of shields on all of your infantry creates a very coherent, unified look. The older shields I would hang on the backs of the Halberdiers. Maybe, just to show frontally more of the shields, I'd add a couple who have not yet levelled their halberds into the fighting position, and are still carrying their shields.

-Z

No, actually, and wasn't really planning on getting them. One of the things that drew me to 6th was Ravening Hordes. It really opened things up too, meaning there were so many armies covered in there that I could collect all that I have and have rules for them. If not for Ravening Hordes, that would mean I would have to hunt down all of the Army Books and for several reasons I didn't want to do that.

As far as the Halberds, thanks for all of the info. If I do mount them I guess it will be on their backs.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 02, 2019, 02:47:17 PM
Okay Ladies, here is a major update on what I have accumulated for my armies. Just the models and numbers, not getting into points again.

**********************
Empire (Newer models)
**********************

Heros: General (On Griffon, Horse, and Foot), Army Standard, Wizard (On Horse and Foot)
Core: 10 Swordsmen, 10 Halberdiers, 10 Handgunners, 5 Knightly Orders
Special: 10 Greatswords, Great Cannon, Mortar
Rare: Hellblaster Volley Gun

* Might get Flagellants (I think the models are interesting.



**********************
Orcs
**********************

Heros: Big Boss (On Boar and Foot), Army Standard, Shaman
Core: 10 Boyz with 2 Choppas, 10 Boyz with Spears, 10 Arrer Boyz
Special: 10 Black Orcs, 5 Boar Boyz, Stone Thrower, Chariot
Rare:
 


**********************
Dwarves
**********************

Heros: Thane, Army Standard, Troll Slayer, Rune Priest
Core: 10 Warriors, 10 Miners, 10 Thunderers
Special: Hammerers, Iron Breakers, Cannon
Rare: Gyrocopter



**********************
Goblins
**********************

Heros: Big Boss (On Horse and Foot), Army Standard, Shaman
Core: 20 Night Goblins with Spears, 20 Night Goblins with Spears, 20 Night Goblins with bows, 3 Fanatics
Special: 2 Bolt Throwers, 2 Wolf Chariots,
Rare: 20 Spider Riders, 3 River Trolls



**********************
High Elves
**********************

Heros: Commander (On Griffon, Horse, and Foot), Army Standard, Mage
Core: 10 Spearmen, 10 Seaguard, 5 Silver Helms
Special: 10 Swordsmasters, 5 Ellyrian Reavers
Rare: Repeater Bolt Thrower



**********************
Skaven
**********************

Heros: Chieftain, Army Standard, Warlock Engineer, Plague Priest
Core: 10 Clanrats with Halberds, 10 Clanrats with Halberds, 10 Clanrats with Swords, 10 Clanrats with Swords, 10 Stormvermin, 6 Giant Rats with Packmaster
Special: Plague Monks, Warpfire Team, Wind Mortar, 2 Rat Ogres with Packmaster
Rare: Doomwheel



**********************
Lizardmen
**********************

Heros: Saurus Hero, Skink Shaman, Skink Hero
Core: 10 Saurus Warriors with Spears, 10 Saurus Warriors, 8 Skink Skirmishers, Serpent Swarm
Special: 10 Temple Guard, 5 Cold One Riders
Rare:

* On the hunt for a Stegadon



**********************
Wood Elves
**********************

Heros: General, Army Standard, Mage
Core: 10 Glade Guard, 10 Archers
Special: 10 Dryads, 5 Scouts, 5 Glade Riders
Rare: Treeman



**********************
Chaos Warriors
**********************

Heros: Champion, Army Standard, Sorcerer, Marauder Chieftain (On Horse and Foot)
Core: 10 Chaos Warriors, 10 Marauders with Shields, 10 Marauders with Flails, 10 Chaos Hounds
Special: 5 Chaos Knights, Chaos Chariot
Rare:

* Looking into getting Marauder Horsemen. I really like the idea of a pure Marauder army too.


**********************
Bretonnians
**********************

Heros: Paladin (On Pegasus, Horse, and Foot), Army Standard, Wizard
Core: 5 Knights of the Realm, 10 Man-At-Arms, 10 Man-At-Arms, 10 Bowmen, 10 Bowmen
Special: 5 Squires Mounted
Rare:

* On the hunt for Questing Knights



**********************
Beastmen
**********************

Heros: Chieftain, Army Standard, Shaman
Core: 10 Gors with 2 Hand Weapons, 10 Gors with Shields, 10 Ungors with Spears and Shields, 10 Chaos Hounds
Special: 10 Beastigors, Chariot
Rare: 3 Minotuars



**********************
Dark Elves
**********************

Heros: Commander, Army Standard, Sorcerer
Core: 10 Dark Elf Warriors with Spears, 10 Dark Elf Warriors with Repeater Crossbows, 10 Corsairs with Extra Weapon, 10 Corsairs with Repeater Crossbows, 5 Dark Riders
Special: 5 Cold One Knights, 10 Black Guard
Rare: Repeater Bolt Thrower



**********************
Vampire Counts
**********************

Heros: Thrall, Wight Army Standard, Necromancer
Core: 10 Skeleton Warriors, 10 Skeleton Warriors, 10 Zombies, 10 Zombies, 10 Ghouls, Bat Swarm
Special: 10 Dire Wolves, 10 Grave Guard, 5 Wight Cavalry
Rare: Black Coach

* May get a Banshee



**********************
Tomb Kings
**********************

Heros: Tomb Lord, Army Standard, Liche Priest
Core: 10 Skeleton Warriors, 10 Skeleton Warriors, 10 Skeleton Warriors, 10 Skeleton Archers, 5 Skeleton Cavalry
Special: 3 Skeleton Charioteers
Rare:

* On the hunt for Tomb Guard and Screaming Skill Catapult



**********************
Ogre Kingdoms
**********************

Heros: Bruiser
Core: 3 Bulls, 3 Bulls, 3 Ironguts, 3 Ironguts, 20 Gnoblars, 20 Gnoblars
Special: 3 Leadbelchers
Rare:



**********************
Hobgoblins (Gnoblars)
**********************

Heros: Hero, Hero
Core: 10 Hobgoblin Wolf Riders, 10 Hobgoblins with Shields, 10 Hobgoblins, 10 Hobgoblins, 10 Hobgoblins, 10 Hobgoblins with Bows, 10 Sneaky Gits
Special: Bolt Thrower
Rare:



I don't have many items left to buy. Just about all the necessary ones are bought, and the rest are really just nice to have's. Its been a crazy year of buying. From here on I might pick up a random unit here and there if the price is right, but I am just about past that nagging feeling on having to buy this or that.  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on October 02, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
I would say you have a full army list lol. There’s painting for 2 years or more at my rate. 
 :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 02, 2019, 04:22:01 PM
I would say you have a full army list lol. There’s painting for 2 years or more at my rate. 
 :::cheers:::

lol oh man I am thinking I will need 2 years just to assemble them, let alone paint anyone.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on October 03, 2019, 12:11:57 PM
Don't worry, your not the only folks with that issue. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 04, 2019, 02:43:17 PM
I wish to inform you that I have, through purchase, have acquired a set of plastic Mounted Marauders.

And I am very excited about that.

BTW I am only buying the old style Warhammer boxes. Not the generic white boxes and def not that Sigmar crap. Only WFB in its purest form.

Which typically ends up costing me a little more.  :cry:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on October 04, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
The marauder foot and horse were my favourites of the chaos units. I once had an idea to do a Norse army theme using the marauder models and a certain amount of converting. One of my warhammer buddies ( very successful competitive player) just kind of looked at me with the eyebrow raised frown and changed the subject. Still like the never-materialized dream.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 04, 2019, 04:30:20 PM
Yeah I have to be honest I think a pure Marauder army is even more chaos than a Chaos Warrior army. I think for my small games I am in pretty good shape with a Chieftain, two units of Marauders, the horsemen, and some hounds.

RH lists a Marauder Chariot, so guess that is on my list now. Did they ever make a plastic one? I have the Chaos Warrior one, but I think it is too over the top for a Marauder one.

Guess I can hit ebay...
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 04, 2019, 06:12:44 PM
Ok so I spotted an old metal Chaos Chariot that looks smaller and wimpier than the newer plastic one that might do. I would just need a new crew I guess.

But honestly I feel like they would have something more primitive looking like an Orc or Beastmen chariot.

Will purchase something next month.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on October 04, 2019, 06:34:52 PM
Always liked the marauder figures for Chaos, and look forward to owning some.  I have some of the metal chaos archers recently bought.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on October 06, 2019, 08:11:12 PM
All your ‘to buy’ or ‘on the hunt’ are great.
Only things I would add would be:
Something rare for the orcs. Maybe giant?
More skinks for the lizardmen
Wardancers for the wood elves?
Scraplauncher for the ogres.

Perhaps a few other units here or there if you are exploring ranges and wanted another thing, but otherwise great stuff!

That said, if you feel adventurous.... consider if you wanted to split lizardment into a skink army and saurus army, and you could get yourself a slann...
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 08, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
JUST PICKED UP A PLASTIC STEGADON IN THE OLD SCHOOL WARHAMMER BOX ON EBAY FOR $45 INCLUDING SHIPPING!!!! YES!!!

(I really prefer the older boxes versus the new AOS crap. Even if the models are the same. I am doing this old school or not at all.)

All your ‘to buy’ or ‘on the hunt’ are great.
Only things I would add would be:

Something rare for the orcs. Maybe giant? - I wasn't planning on this, but I have always thought the plastic models were brilliant. We will see.
More skinks for the lizardmen - I do like the skinks. But I have pretty much blown past 1000 points as it is.
Wardancers for the wood elves? - Same as above I think.
Scraplauncher for the ogres. - No rules for it in 6th. I guess I could consider just pulling the 8th rules. I don't know anything about this. How is it different than a Great Cannon?

Quote
That said, if you feel adventurous.... consider if you wanted to split lizardment into a skink army and saurus army, and you could get yourself a slann...

Yeah if there is any model I wish I could get, its the newer Slann model. I just love those guys. We'll see in a few months.

To be honest I am running close of getting too much stuff. When I get to this point I literally start feeling weighed down and want to sell stuff. I got the Dark Elf Dark Riders and I wasn't super crazy about the models, and I was like, I already have Cold Ones. But then I got the Marauder Horsemen and was excited again. Its going to take me forever to get to those guys, and I worry is that I am going to have all this crap sitting around and annoying me.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on October 08, 2019, 06:55:38 PM
Ok. Stop buying then. Start building. More update photos! :engel:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 12, 2019, 12:13:43 AM
Okay! Today's treat is a trip into my mind and why its so hard for me to concentrate on one thing, let alone on my Warhammer armies. I am very eclectic (more than anyone I have ever met), and easily distracted by new passions, as I have been over the last few weeks.

So I was all excited setting time aside for WFB when some models on eBay started showing up for prices I was looking for. The models in question were for this guy, the Epic Capital Imperialis from the Adeptus Titanicus/Space Marine v1 era of Epic 40k:

(http://www.solegends.com/citcat1991a/cat1991ap125epiccapitalimp-02.jpg)

Now, besides the Reaver Titan (which I am showing two examples below from the same era) which is probably my favorite miniature of all time, the Capital Imperialis was always the holy grail for me growing up.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NQba047G4Fc/UnobAAQ4DCI/AAAAAAAADjU/BFTTtSv0Ig8/s1600/DSC_0411.JPG)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QREFZIyhtBs/Unoa5T1k2TI/AAAAAAAADjM/b5mQCgII0y0/s1600/DSC_0404.JPG)

Back in the day, I was a rabid Epic 40k fan (using that term loosely here as there have been 5 different versions of 'Epic'), and Reavers cost about $30 I think back in the day. Geez, maybe it was $15 I am not sure. Either way, it was a lot of money for me at the time since I was making minimum wage. The Capital Imperialis was $50 I think, and way beyond what I could pay for a single model. But I drooled over the idea of having one. They are essentially slow moving transports with a ton of heavy weapons. Pretty much a castle on wheels like you see.

Well, as I got older I still collected Epic and slowly bought up all the armies and miniatures I didn't have as a kid. The Capital Imperialis though, was always pretty pricey. Usually over $100 a piece complete on eBay. I held off getting them until a couple of years ago and managed to snag 4 of them in different sales and for pretty good prices. The problem though, was that they were either missing the tank tracks parts or they were just in terrible condition.

Back in the day, GW made the Capital Imperialis body out of lead, but the tracks were plastic. I had no idea at the time, but the track components were supplied by another English company called JB Models, who made a series of 1/76 armored vehicles, who eventually were bought out by Airfix. So I guess GW made a deal with JB to supply the track parts to their 1/76 M113 kits to be used with the Capital Imperialis kits.

So, I didn't want to drop a lot on just track parts, so it took a long time to hunt these kits down. Early on, I didn't know Airfix had bought out JB Models and it would have certainly helped to have known that. JB made two variants of the M113:

(https://www.kingkit.co.uk/uploads/shop/large/80896P1260045.JPG)

(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/0/0/1/167001-11185-pristine.jpg)

The tracks were the same for each kit, but for shits and giggles I bought both, and after looking them over, I really liked the idea of building these kits. There are much better 1/72 scale kits out there, but I am a sucker for old model kits from the 60s-80s. As a matter of fact, the very first model kit I every built was a 1/76 Panzer II from Matchbox:

(https://adamrehorn.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/panzer-ii-oob-001.jpg)

This kit was amazing and still is. Like all Matchbox kits, it came with a diorama base as well as a couple of figures. Not my kit but here is a completed one:

(https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/media/managed/products/8763-large.jpg)

I had many battles as a kid with this tank versus those two men. I just pretended they were different armies and the tank was attacking the fort with the men defending. The Panzer II is still one of my favorite all time tanks.

Anyway, I was familiar with the American M113 from Vietnam, but I didn't know anything about the Fire Support Vehicle, which turned out to be an Australian vehicle. Apparently the Aussies transferred the turrets off their older Saladin armored cars and mounted them on the newer M113s. I thought they were pretty cool. And of course, this led me to research more on the Saladin, which was a series of armored cars for the British army, and during that, discovered that the Saladin shared the same body with another vehicle I had seen before, the Saracen, which both by the way, were also made by JB Models in 1/76 scale.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/611MAukMg8L._AC_SL1024_.jpg)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/617+adZ5ZpL._AC_SL1024_.jpg)

Well, I am a sucker for Armored Cars, especially the kind of older and... not sure how to word this... wimpier looking kind. You see, in the US we go big. We add lots of big guns, and things look pretty terrifying. But even with WWII tanks, I am not interested in the Tiger or IS-IIs, I am interested in the 1939-1942 stuff. The fragile and failures especially (don't get me started on Italian tanks!). And I just loved these two armored cars.

So not knowing anything about either one, I read up on them and found that they were developed during the Malaya Emergency during the late 1940s-1950s. I had never even heard of the Malayan Emergency and I wish the US had paid a little attention to it as it probably would have helped during Vietnam. Anyway, so to make a long story short, I hunted down one of each, and these typically go for $20-30 but I managed to get them for pretty cheap.

In the process of assembling the M113s, I remembered I built an old M113 Hammerhead back in the day, by ESCI, which was actually 1/72 scale. I decided that I wanted to build the same thing but using the JB Model chasis. So I picked up one for cheap, and just used the parts for the Tow Missile Launcher. This took some customizing to mount it on the JB version but it worked out pretty good. Now at this point I had bought 7 JB M113 variants, 4 for Capital Imperialis, and three to build as tanks. As I was assembling the US Vietnam version, I thought it would be cool to make an earlier version of the M113, without all the extra M60 guns, so yes, I picked up another. I should add here that during the middle of this I was also picking up the Airfix version of these (as they had started reselling them under their brand, but were no where near as good as the JB quality). So that is how I ended up with so many kits.

Now, while researching all of these M113s, I saw a lot of the Vietnam era ones with all sorts of stowage on them. Like a ton. So I looked around and found a manufacturer in the UK that sold a pack of 1/76-1/72 random items to that could be put around vehicles. Interestingly, I didn't find many English or Australian vehicles in old pics that had the same level of stowage on their vehicles like the US ones.

It was almost like I could see an English sergeant saying, 'Right, let's tidy up this vehicle. This is her majesty's vehicle, not your bedroom."

"Yes, sergeant."

Whereas the Americans just didn't give a shit, and threw their crap all over the place.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/5774/22978681891_62c2462d04_z.jpg)

So I bought the set and spread the parts around my kits, but went really light on the brits and aussie vehicles.

So this is what I got, waiting to be primed:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48882891507_d26d0c8c33_z.jpg)

Australian M113 Fire Support Vehicle:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48882703131_658394c2d8_z.jpg)

US M163 Hammerhead:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48882891362_642db0f468_z.jpg)

US M113 ACAV

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48882173423_63bae5f849_z.jpg)

Now the 1/72 ESCI Hammerhead kit came with interior detail parts which weren't an exact fit for the JB version, but I wanted the top hatch in-between the M60 guns to be open in case I ever find some guys to man the guns, so I did what I could to put the interior parts from the ESCI kit into the JB one.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48882173343_53fb1686b2_k.jpg)

No one really ever see most of what is inside, and I still might put some random stowage on the benches. But it still helps with the casual glance and not seeing a completely bare interior.

M113

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48882702946_801f348aec_z.jpg)

I wanted all of my kits to be different, so for the basic M113, I put the driver (one of the extra M113 ACAV gunners) sticking his head out. I typically never do this, as I prefer all my tanks to be in combat mode, but I am glad I did this. He isn't actually sitting on a seat, I had to jerry-rig it to do this, but no one will ever see it.

Saracen

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48882890797_35d6f94a06_z.jpg)

Love this thing. The tiny turret kills me.

Saladin

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48882890907_e4d6bdf16f_z.jpg)

Now the Saladin has a pretty famous moment, and I knew when I saw this kit that I had seen this armored car before. It took me a bit, but I remembered it from the opening Iraq invasion of Kuwait. I had seen on the news a couple of Kuwaiti Saladins firing on Iraqi troops who had landed on the beach.

(http://up.picr.de/783555.jpg)

I remember watching these two on TV thinking, "Man, they better get the fuck out of there."

Anyway, there you have it. Chasing a childhood dream led to too many parts to models I didn't need, but then had to have, then bought even more and some $100 plus later I have these 6 models to work on. They will get primed this weekend, and then sit with the many others waiting to be painted.

 :unsure:

So while you guys struggle with what unit for your army you are going to work on, or what other game you might work on, I have some dozen other things I can get highjacked by at a random moments notice.

Once these are primed I am back on Warhammer. I promise. My Stegadon just arrived in the mail and is waiting to be checked out.

EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention I have a 1/76 Scorpion and a 1/76 Scimitar to go with these.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on October 12, 2019, 02:59:38 AM
I know the feeling! :icon_mrgreen: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on October 12, 2019, 10:23:16 AM
Totally My alley too! Love all The stuff you show, and actually built half of those decades ago. I had Tamiya's 1/35 Saladin, with a motor.  :icon_cool:

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 12, 2019, 12:15:31 PM
Thanks! I know 1/35 is a superior scale, and I actually have a built 1/35 Panzer II (of course) waiting to be painted. The only problem with 1/35 is the size. I have so much stuff and I wouldn’t have any place to store them let alone show them off.

Even modern 1/72 manufacturers are doing some amazing stuff, but I just prefer these old kits and all of their flaws.

I am also a collector of obscure anime kits from the 80s too. I was on the hunt for decades for the old kits I had as a kid (living in Asia) that I either shot with BB guns, set on fire, or blew up with firecrackers. Those are like the tier 1 of my collection, but the 1/76 Matchbox kits are up there with them. You just can’t beat having a vehicle, a diorama base, and some figures to make a scene. Brilliant.

And even tho Revell has re-released many of those older Matchbox kits, I have nothing to do with them. I prefer the art on the old boxes.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 12, 2019, 09:29:07 PM
Just finished the Scorpion and Scimitar. They are the same vehicles, just different armament. The Scorpion has the shorter 76mm barrel while the Scimitar has the longer 30mm anti-tank gun.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48887372581_cec23f2880_z.jpg)

These are really small vehicles. Here they are alongside the M113 in the same scale.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48887548282_68fb654941_z.jpg)

They were made in aluminium too, which couldn't have been reassuring to the crews.

Here they are facing off against a Panzer II and Panzer 28(t).

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48886831663_e994ca570b_z.jpg)

I do finish projects from time to time!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48887372416_1e00de67a9_z.jpg)

Crap, I forgot to put some stowage on the new tanks before I primed... gaagghhhhh….
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on October 14, 2019, 02:17:40 PM
Looking good! :icon_cool: :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 15, 2019, 06:57:52 PM
I'll have you all know that I have just acquired an old school metal Chaos Chariot to be used for my Marauders as a Marauder chariot.

So I am at about 700pts for a Marauder army with including some chaos hounds.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 20, 2019, 03:51:22 PM
Well my vintage Chaos chariot has arrived. I have decided to put the marauder-looking driver from the plastic kit in it for the driver, and more the cheesy looking metal vintage one over to the plastic kit. Not sure if I am going to try and kitbash a Marauder warrior for the second crewman or what. I might just swap heads with for a plastic Marauder one. Not sure. I am a long way off from that so in no hurry.

Now, because I have been buying so much WFB stuff I had to re-organize some things, and in doing so came across some old anime kits (old Mechanic Collection line) from Space Battleship Yamato that I had set aside a million years ago to build. I don't know why, but I thought I would build a Comet Empire fleet. I've literally been carrying these around forever, and decided I either needed to do something with them now, or sell them. I decided to build them.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48930061356_968d20f398_z.jpg)

Bandai has released newer versions, which are usually smaller in size than the older ones. Some of these older kits have REALLY small parts and gluing them in the right place is a real time consuming pain in the ass.

I have some other models from various kits I accumulated back in the day, like the Stealth sub and the fighters, from different kits. I actually have polls to mount them on. The sub is going to be mounted on the destroyer base, the horseshoe crab looking fighter is going to be mounted on the single-deck carrier base, and the standard fighter on the double-deck carrier base. None of these ships match in scale so who cares.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48930061676_7db6ec9d59_z.jpg)

If you have no idea what any of this is no worries. But I will say that Space Battleship Yamato (at least the first season) is absolutely one of the finest sci-fi stories ever made, and they did an amazing reboot called Yamato 2199, which I have to say is even better than the original. These ships came from the second season of both the original and reboot.

Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on October 20, 2019, 04:11:59 PM
Those are different, and I like them! :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on October 20, 2019, 04:35:46 PM
Never heard of this game. Only BFG of which I have an unpainted collection.
Very cool
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 20, 2019, 06:23:42 PM
Well it’s not really a game, although there was a miniature games called Star Blazers which is the American version of the show. But Yamato is a Japanese anime.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 20, 2019, 09:37:28 PM
Oh my god, I finally did it.

I did it.

I finally got myself a unit of plastic Tomb Guard.

HOLY CRAP THIS IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE 10-MAN UNIT I HAVE EVER BOUGHT. But I lost out on two before, and so when another went up for auction and the seller had Make an Offer, I didn't want to wait another week I just made an offer, which turned out to be a lot higher than I planned. The currency conversion was a lot higher when I paid than it was when I offered.

At any rate, I finally got those f***ers and I don't have to worry about this anymore. Not that my Tomb King army wasn't big enough, but I didn't have an elite unit for it like I have for my other armies. I have planned to convert 10 of my skeleton warriors into them, and started setting aside parts to make halberds, but once I saw the actual plastic models they made (I had only had seen the metal and didn't want those), my jaw hit the floor.

So I only have a screaming catapult to buy at some point, and that is it. I will have all the WFB I had set out to buy.

Except for the Army Standards, which I am making progress on. As a matter of fact, I just saw this guy for the first time and picked him up too:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48932084841_09463f08e7_w.jpg)

Love it.

I only need one for the Wood Elves, Dark Elves, Goblins, Chaos (1 Marauder one and one Chaos Warrior one), might get the Lizardman one too. Not sure if there are Army Standards in 6th edition Ogre Kingdoms.

Anyway, Tomb Guard were expensive as hell, but finally happy to have them.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on October 21, 2019, 12:03:37 AM
Congrats! :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Rowsdower on October 21, 2019, 11:48:55 AM
Always good to see those old Matchbox kits :biggriin:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 26, 2019, 08:41:37 PM
Glad to see other fans out there! If it wasn't for Matchbox, I may not even be here.

Can anyone advise me on what to do with this?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48964425297_5b2e6e8562_z.jpg)

Its the old Skeleton Chariot. I don't know how old it is or when it came out. I think it might have been pre-Tomb Kings? You guys will know better than me. I got it because I gave some thought to converting the Corpse Cart from the Vampire Count Battalion set into a custom Black Coach, but then I got the Black Coach, felt I didn't need the Corpse Cart and sold it, and ironically are now left with this. I thought of selling it, but I kinda like it. I don't know what to do with it though. I have the newer chariots for my Tomb King army, and it wouldn't fit in that unit, and RH doesn't include rules for a chariot for Vampire Counts, so I don't know what to do. And I actually have ONE LEFTOVER CHARIOT BASE, so its a sign I should do something with it, even if it’s cheesy.

Any ideas? Any ideas on how to fit it into a Vampire Count army? Should I even? Vampire Counts seem to be devoid of war machines except for the Black Coach or Corpse Cart and I suspect there is a reason for that.

Also, let it be known: I have acquired a Dark Elf Army Standard (metal figure with the crazy pole). I am not sure if I mentioned this, but I also picked up a Wood Elf Army Standard, which I am pretty sure is a copy from Russia. Hasn't arrived yet. I normally wouldnt spring for copies, but the price was good and I have been pleasantly surprised by some of the copies I have gotten from Russia. Some time ago I picked up a copy of the Forge World Great Unclean One which I was blown away by so much it inspired me to start a Nurgle army for 40k. So hoping I like this miniature half as much as the Unclean One.

So as far as Army Standards go:

Empire - Check
Orcs - Check
Dwarves - Working on a custom
Goblins - Working on a custom
High Elves - Check
Skaven - I might spring for a legit one. Not sure. If I ever have a third hero it will be probably be my custom Plague Priest.
Wood Elves - Hopefully Check
Dark Elves - Check
Bretonnians - Not sure what to do here. I have seen a model on Ebay just for this that is mounted, but all of my other Army Standards are on foot. I would prefer they all be the same, even if Bretonnians are Knight-based. I did think of doing the same thing I did with my Generals - making one on foot and one mounted, but I decided enough was enough already. Probably will make a foot version I guess. I feel someone is going to yell at me for that.
Lizardmen - Not sure what to do here. I can't give heros Standards in RH, and I don't plan on ever doing Lords.
Tomb Kings - Have a model in mind just haven't snagged him yet.
Beastmen - Check
Vampire Counts - Picked up the Wight Champion standard guy. I think he's a pretty old model because of the packaging. So Check.
Chaos - Working on separate models for Chaos Warriors and Marauders. The more Marauder models I get the more I like them, and like the Beastmen, I think look more Chaos than the Chaos Warriors. My current plan is to sort of split my Chaos army into playable Chaos Warrior and Marauder armies (small ones I admit), and borrow from each for bigger games. I think of the Marauders as your usual run of the mill Chaos thugs, and the Chaos warriors show up when things are getting real. So I guess my vision of a normal Chaos army would be like 70% Marauder and 30% Chaos Warrior. But making separate standards for both.
Ogre Kingdoms - Prob not going to bother. I don't know if they even have them to be honest.
Gnoblars - Not sure. I probably should. They need all the help they can get.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on October 26, 2019, 09:53:20 PM
Looks like the 1988 Undead Chariot to me.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 26, 2019, 10:55:29 PM
What should I do with it?!?

I was just thinking I could keep one of the skeletons, throw him in with the masses of Tomb King troops, and use one of the official ones as an Army Standard (as opposed to buying an official one), but it turns out that I don’t have enough poles, so I would have to go shopping anyway.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on October 27, 2019, 02:07:30 AM
No idea whatbto do with it. Maybe a hero’s chariot? General?

Also, Bret BSB should 100% be mounted. They need to be knight based, otherwise they are poor man’s Empire.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 27, 2019, 05:15:34 PM
Yeah I know it would look proper for the standard to be mounted. It’s just that I feel it gives the Brettonians an unfair advantage for having a standard be able to run around the battlefield faster than those that can’t. I guess this can apply to generals too, where I might have mounted Empire and Elf generals but not mounted Goblin or Skaven.

Just trying to keep my armies balanced.

I see multiple battle standards on eBay and I am wondering if peeps are calling some banners by the wrong thing. And I can’t see inside the blisters. Anyone have a pic of the official battle standard bretonnian model? I think it may have been limited edition I am not sure.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on October 27, 2019, 05:39:02 PM
This is the offical one:

(http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics11/img453f6a207ef58.jpg)
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on October 27, 2019, 05:41:02 PM
In the Classic Range, there was also Repanse de Lyonesse that could be used as BSB.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/1/12/Repanse_De_Lyonesse.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170918053734)
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on October 27, 2019, 05:45:04 PM
Oh, and here is a picture of the Undead Chariot:

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/EW8AAOSwuA1afc7~/s-l640.jpg)
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 27, 2019, 07:12:44 PM
Saving that box pic for painting reference thanks.

I thought that banner was a Holy Grail one.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on October 27, 2019, 09:47:18 PM
Glad to see other fans out there! If it wasn't for Matchbox, I may not even be here.

Can anyone advise me on what to do with this?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48964425297_5b2e6e8562_z.jpg)
You could sell it to me. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on October 27, 2019, 11:16:39 PM
I thought that banner was a Holy Grail one.

Nope. Grail Knights (ordinary and classical) have their own command group with standard bearer, but the one I posted is the only official generic BSB model. Of course, many Bretonnian models would lean themselves for conversion into a BSB.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on October 27, 2019, 11:50:58 PM
Just trying to keep my armies balanced.

Sure, but you only are within limited parameters. Which is what I was trying to convince you about with unit sizes for horde troops vs elites.
All the armies are different. They have their own strengths and weaknesses, and if ever you want to play with them, you want each to feel like its own experience. There need to be some armies that have their BSB mounted. Others (like VC or lizards) where you dont even bother with a BSB. Sure they make the army look great. But they also have to suit the playstyle.

Take 9th age for example. Now personally I hate thier implementation of ‘Army Strengths and Weaknesses’ of ‘ASAW’ however at least it guves the player a view on how the army is supposed to be composed.
Each of the armies you are collecting, you have an approximate vibe you are trying to obtain. But that could differ from others vibes they get from the same army. Empire infantry was a good example from before. Lizardmen with skinks and skirmishers is another. And Brets being about a lot of cavalry is another. You have a feeling for Chaos - the 70/30 ratio. Others have their own view and might think marauders are a waste. Balance is quite broad - its one of the appeals of warhammer I guess.

If you are talking balance, then. Bretonnian infantry is trash. The BSB needs to be mobile to support the cavalry, because thats all that matters in the Bret army. The peasants can die and it doesn’t and shouldn’t matter. Its what they are for.
Just like in a Dwarf army, every unit matters. Or a combined Orc and Goblin army the Goblins are the trash. Balance is about applying the identity of each army, not taking the same unit size or hero choice in each army, because then you actually are just making the armies more similar despite their ASAW. And some armies do those similarities better than others, which ultimately makes it unbalanced.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 28, 2019, 02:04:03 AM
I see, and you are right about the Battle Standard keeping up with the knights. I’ll get the mounted one then.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 30, 2019, 08:49:33 PM
So here are my mounted Squires for my Bretonnian army...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48987101013_96ca58c915_z.jpg)

I know, nothing you haven't seen before. But I really like these guys and getting them to this point was a pain in the ass. I tried to save money and bought them assembled/painted as I was looking for specific guys, and the squires and horses turned out to be in really crappy shape. I did the best I could, but who knows maybe some day I will try to get 5 new ponies for them. I did replace the banner pole that the standard came with and replaced it with a proper banner from the Knights kit. I just prefer everything to be more uniform. And some of the shields are re-casts I made. I think I only got 3 in that shape and I wanted all of them to be the same, and match what the Knights have.

I know I get a lot of heat for not having enough Knights but I would rather have a variety of units so I got these guys in place of another Knight unit. At least for the small armies I was building.

I have a mage as you can see, and she is one of my favorite WFB models let alone Bretonnian. My plan for the general is to make the same guy on foot, mounted, and on a Pegasus like I did with the Empire General. But I am a long way off from hitting the Bretonnians. I only worked on the Squires because they were in such bad shape.

I am sure I said it before, but I was iffy on the Bretonnians when I first started getting into WFB but the Squires had a big part in me getting interested in them. They and the Man-At-Arms. And once I got the Battalion set was blown away with the Bowmen too. I have learned having all these weak units isn't going to help their cause, as opposed to more Knights, but I really, really like the Bretonnian grunt models. They went from being 'whatever' to one of my favorite armies and that was a real surprise to me.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on October 30, 2019, 09:01:05 PM
Congrats, they look awesome! :eusa_clap: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on October 30, 2019, 10:47:15 PM
Yes they do look awesome. I like the squire fluff as well. Your approach is much like mine was. Taking what I liked as opposed to what guaranteed a game. Suffice it to say, when I won the reaction of my opponent was ‘what did I do wrong?’
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 31, 2019, 02:02:31 AM
Thanks!

Need some advice.  When I got my Wood Elf Battalion, the horses had been assembled and primed black, and weren't even really assembled well. I broke them down as best I could and cleaned them up. After I assembled them I was wondering if I shouldn't have removed the parts where the legs are molded to the tall grass for extra support.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48988843941_28a55f50e0_z.jpg)

Would you guys remove them? The models sitting on them are plastic too, so I don't think using only two legs to attach to the base is a big deal. And I do not intend to add new grass like that to the base either.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on October 31, 2019, 03:39:56 AM
The squires, men-at-arms and bowmen are great models no doubt. I don’t blame you for that reason - its a good reason!

I cut those bits off most of my elven steeds. It kinda looks ridiculous when they made them that way...
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on October 31, 2019, 08:14:05 AM
Nice Brets!

Earlier, I cut the sculpted grass off the horses. These minis have sustained the wear and tear quite well, but it's obvious the horses would be much sturdier with the plastic grass still on. I'm sure the horse legs will eventually snap, and I need to resort to pinning, and possibly greenstuff. So it's a trade-off between sturdiness and good looks.

To a degree, you could hide the plastic grass within tufts of long static grass.

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on October 31, 2019, 01:50:27 PM
Z this was my worry too. I tend to take care of things, but like everyone else I can be clumsy and drop something on a tile floor, etc. I really don't like the grass, but I also don't want to deal with any structural issues either. I guess I could just add a lot of superglue and model glue to the feet that are attached to the base, to reinforce things now...

I'll think it over. I know the models would look better without the grass. I don't know what GW was thinking.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 01, 2019, 03:07:35 PM
I just picked up the Bretonnian battle standard guy. I got him for a decent price and if I can find another around the same price, I will buy another to have on foot.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 01, 2019, 03:25:05 PM
Actually I have some questions about Bretonnian standards. The Man-At-Arms/Bowmen command sprues come with some random pole mounts and I am not sure if those are meant to be used in place of a flag for a standard. Like the peliquin-looking head or the box -like thing.

(https://reader015.dokumen.tips/reader015/html5/0705/5b3d55546b875/5b3d555fa8c13.jpg)

Lower right sprue under the flag and then above the far lower right figure.

What are those exactly. I do like the flags so will probably just use those. Not sure if this show go over the flag on the pole either. But if someone can make a good case to use them, please let me know.

EDIT: Ha. Just noticed in the picture they go above the flag. Well that answers that.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on November 02, 2019, 12:24:21 PM
Yep. Like the tops of the empire banners with their variable tops. Skulls with swords, skulls with arrows, etc.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 02, 2019, 06:11:25 PM
Yeah looking into it further I am not sure about using those on the top of the poles. We'll see. I know I should differentiate between my units and those will certainly help, but I like those three leaf symbols better. And I have see them just mounted on standard poles without the flags, so maybe I will to that with the bowmen or something. I don't know. I am not there yet, but just want to be sure I have all the pieces now.

Welcome the newest edition to my Beastmen army:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49001406143_34887a0947_z.jpg)

I. Love. This. Guy.

When I set out to get Battle Standards for everyone, I had no idea what I was going to do with the Beastmen. I didn't have any leftover bodies to make a hero, and didn't want to recycle a unit banner unless I had to. I saw a hero with a back banner and almost considered him, but just before I pulled the trigger I found the guy above, who doesn't seem too common. Maybe it was a limited edition figure? I don't know. I also think what I got was a re-cast but it looks great and I am fine with that. He was also metal which was great as I avoid nearly all finecast.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49002152232_fc932a385e_z.jpg)

I also have the multi-part plastic Shaman but will work on him later. I was so blown away by the two above that I had to assemble and prime them as soon as they came in. I really like the Beastmen army. Really had no idea I would be as impressed with them as it turned out, and I am REALLY glad I picked up that chariot over the summer. And the plastic multi-part Minotaurs before that.

The Beastmen are right up there with the Wood Elves and Bretonnians as far as armies I thought were blah from a distance but once I started getting the kits they were right up to the top of some of my favorites. Other armies, like the Dark Elves or Chaos, you expect to be cool even though you might be surprised by the detail. With the Beastmen my jaw was on the floor. They just ooze a disturbing evil that the other Chaos armies don't have, even if they are more traditional looking chaos.

Also, I had planned to finish off all the armies in my starter sets first before moving on to the battalion sets, but after completely revamping my Empire army, which exhausted me the first time around, I might actually hold off from doing the empire for now. I do think the new kits I got are vastly superior to the older ones I was working on, but after all that work on the older ones, I am kind of burned out on Empire at the moment. I am also not 100% sure on what parts from the old I am going to use in the new, so I have some figuring out to do. I hope to do something with the older figs I did, even though I don't like many of them anymore. If I could go back and wipe out the first 5-6 pages of this thread when I was posting pics of them and replace them with the new models I could. You have basically watched me waste some time. I really tried to do things on a strict budget but I blew right out of that like everyone said I would.

So I am thinking of focusing on the hero models for everyone now. Well, the ones I haven't already built. I am going to try to make the armies centered around the hero models, which means a Hero General (in most cases mounted and unmounted), Hero Battle Standard, and Wizard (or Runesmith in the case for the Dwarves). In some cases I do have extra heros and they are just for character. But I guess I am making the armies more about who is leading them, versus the masses of troops they are leading. Maybe I will name some of these jokers.

So once I sort out what I am doing for everyone hero-wise, I will post pics as I finish them (I am doing some custom work for Chaos, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves which will take some time), and hopefully they inspire me to add units around them.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on November 02, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
I've wanted to have a beastman army.  You're inspiring me further. :icon_cool: :::cheers::: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on November 02, 2019, 07:15:02 PM
Really like that beastman banner bearer. Wish I had him for my AoS beastmen/skaven chaos conglomeration.
The other unit I love is the Shagoth.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on November 03, 2019, 01:19:21 AM
Shaggoth is beautiful.

Also, KTG, nothing wrong with your approach, and changing it. Its not a race. :happy:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 03, 2019, 11:09:32 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008573743_119a34c641_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49009313887_624d0bb9a0_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49009312492_f40f5046df_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008569298_db36b0d830_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49009310317_fa72efd0be_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49008567278_1c8382410a_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49009308782_bd4feb48ba_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49009308662_b99e23a5a1_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on November 03, 2019, 11:23:31 PM
Oh that's interesting. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on November 03, 2019, 11:23:44 PM
😺👆
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 05, 2019, 01:25:35 AM
So my Empire General was really bugging me and I had to do something. The legs on the guy are pretty static, and look fine from the front, but my guy was looking off to the side, and his feet both facing 45 degrees to the left looked dumb. So I carefully cut off his right foot and re-attached it at an angle. Came out pretty good.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49016421377_4a8707dfb4_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49015698278_d014c7de48_z.jpg)

Much better. Subtle, but it looks more natural. I would have gone further, but where the foot goes the knee kind of follows so I didn't want to over do it. Now I am really excited about the guy.

Also, I have had some problems with Standard Bearers falling over. I struggled to find some kind of weight to put under the stand and considered everything from magnets to sinkers, but at Home Depot today decided on washers. They come in all sizes and I got perfect fits for the 20mm base and the 25mm bases. Spray painted black and they will hardly be noticed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49016217701_85831c2191_z.jpg)

I say hardly noticed because despite what is going on top of the base, what is under it bothers me too.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on November 05, 2019, 02:09:45 AM
Excellent! :eusa_clap: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on November 05, 2019, 08:45:37 AM
Good work on that General. Subtle change but matters a lot. :)

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 06, 2019, 03:40:53 AM
Guys, need advice.

Working on my Orc Battle Standard. Nothing fancy, just the kit.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49021456013_15bfd7366c_z.jpg)

However the head I was going to use has really big horns, and I was thinking of giving him the facemask. But I was wondering, would the large horns on the standard bearer look out of place if the main Orc Boss has smaller ones? I was thinking the bigger and badder the orc, the bigger his horns or stuff would be, like a sign of status. The problem is if I did a head switch, I would also would have to swap out the Big Boss's arm since the horns would be in the way. And I have to be honest, I am a big fan of the older Big Boss. Should I look for a different head? I do have extras. None as impressive as the one I am using though.

What would you do?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 06, 2019, 02:41:25 PM
I WANT SOME ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on November 06, 2019, 03:20:49 PM
I like the big horns. More orky. Might spike a head on one em😺
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on November 06, 2019, 03:21:44 PM
Well, there are some that say that size does not matter....
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on November 06, 2019, 04:39:20 PM
Too early in the morning.  I am now awake, but way too much work in front of me to provide an opinion currently. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on November 06, 2019, 11:46:13 PM
I like the big horn head. But I also like the body with the wolf skin on the shoulders. You could always use a black orc head for an orc boss though too. How many instances of those heads do you have?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 07, 2019, 02:43:08 AM
The head that is on the bearer? Two, but I am using the other as the Big Boss for my Mordheim gang. Along with another wolfskin cape body.

So until I figure out what to do with the Orcs, I am moving on to Goblins. Just finished my Battle Standard.  :icon_razz:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49026356388_7432982b5c_z.jpg)

All it is (I THINK) is the standard from the Goblins Warrior set. I got it in that mass lot of Goblin bits some time ago to make the Gnoblar Wolf Riders. I was able to buy the bits to make the unit Champion. The Standard may not look like much, but its much nicer than the other Goblin standards I got in the Skull Pass set so I think it will work.

Still pissed off about clipping that Goblin Big Boss ear! I don't think I am done with that guy.

In other news, I ended up with a bunch of random bits from the Goblin lots, and some of them are the exact models on the Fanatic sprues. Since I didn't get the instructions, I have no idea what they are. I also got a Night Goblin riding some kind of smaller ball and chain, and a upper half of a Night Goblin doing what I have no idea. They were made of resin. No idea where they came from. But anyway, I decided to do something with them, and here is what I ended up with:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49026356238_807ec6a3a7_z.jpg)

Just did it for cosmetic purposes. I figure I would litter the Goblin camp with them during a game. I have no idea the purpose of the pot, but decided to make one of the goblins look like he is brewing some crazy magic stew or something. I also added some mushrooms from other parts to put around the base. I have no idea what the snotlings (?) are for either. I thought about putting most of them on a larger, single base as their own diorama, but I thought this would be better since they all look like they are doing different things. If anyone has any idea what the heck they are all doing let me know.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49027080767_f54bf4442d_z.jpg)

The Goblin over the pot is the one that I only got a half of, and I glued him to one of the few regular Goblin legs I have. Amazing how sometimes you just have the right bits to finish a random project. Anyway, just some fun bits to add some flavor to the battlefield.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on November 07, 2019, 08:46:09 AM
Doesn't matter where all the parts come from or what they were meant to represent. You have done great with them!

"What on earth are the snotlings doing?" must be a proverbial question in the Warhammer world. Go figure, I guess.  :-P

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 08, 2019, 06:40:24 PM
lol, and thanks!

So I think I have decided on what I am going to do. I swear this journey has had a bunch of twists and turns.

First of all, I am so glad I went with the Battle Standards, I really like them. And they make sense that a General would have a personal banner or the overall army, and that's how I see it. Many of them are very dynamic looking and I think add even more character to the armies. I like them so much, that I have decided that the basis of all my armies is going to center around the General, Battle Standard, and Wizard. Regardless of army size, this is what I am doing. I know some of you have said that I have too many heros in small armies, but at the same time I have these figures and want to use them. I think they help bring character to my armies. So basically I am building my armies around these heros.

Next, while i was thinking about that to do with my Empire army, and what to mix and match, I decided I might split my Empire collection into two. Rather than doing all Talabheim, I would use the newer models I got for them, and use the older ones I have been working on for another city. Which I do not know. I have a unit of Knights of the White Wolf which I haven't assembled yet, so I though about doing a Middleheim one, but at the same time I have a lot of leftover bitz of blackpowder weapons as was thinking maybe Nuln? I am not sure. I have the Hellblaster, which I want Talabheim to have, and then a Great Cannon and Mortar. Kind of struggling how to split those up. I don't know.

What I do know is that I am not crazy about having everything Talabheim. Just going with the newer models I have about 800 points of minis before adding equipment and magic items which is close to what I had previously set out to do. And as I have been buying more and more, I have blown way past 1000 points for some armies. The problem is, some armies, especially my themed ones, are more around 700 points like the Gnoblar and Marauders, and I have zero interest in making them larger. So I went back and see if I could divide some of the collections up and I think I can.

So what I plan on doing is going back to smaller armies, centered around the heros, built around a theme. In the case of my Chaos and Dark Elves, I plan to make pure Chaos Warrior and pure Marauder armies with their own heros, and then a standard army theme for Dark Elves, and then another based around fast-hitting Corsair raiders. Of course for larger games I could mix and match, but for the purposes of finalizing a group of models to build and paint, I thought I would do this. That way rather than just painting endless units and not knowing where they will go, I can use the models to carry the theme. At least that is the plan anyway. And in the case of the Dark Elf Corsair army, I have the Corsair commander guy, who I really had no place for in my army - I only got him because he was cheap and an interesting model. But now he will lead two units of Corsairs and some Dark Riders, among other things that fit that theme, as opposed a mix-match of various Dark Elf units. And, it will help me have a beginning and ending for each group to focus on, and having a lot of variety.

So back to smaller armies, but with more focus on theme. I think its pretty exciting.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 09, 2019, 05:11:38 AM
Lol I just counted up all my new Empire models and they come to 900 points before magic items. So I guess I am back to 1000 point armies.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on November 09, 2019, 07:08:26 AM
Ah, but with two Empire armies, the disease has obviously taken hold. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on November 09, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
Smaller armies let you focus on theme. I like the approach. Theme is what kept me interested in WHFB as long as it did / does....
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on November 09, 2019, 01:41:02 PM
That is a good style, and a good way to put it, Warlord. :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 09, 2019, 09:33:31 PM
GP that's funny about the disease taking hold. I do still would like some Flagellants.

So remember my custom Runesmith?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48427150696_aee087963c_k.jpg)

Well, now he's a Battle Standard.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49039256358_b5dba22dba_z.jpg)

I used two banner tops to do this. You know how the kits give you two options for a unit? Well, I just carved them up to mount the head-looking thing on top of the flag pole. Neither one on it's own was blingy enough considering the size of some of my other Dwarf standards.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49039256003_b9ef734a35_z.jpg)

I had ever intention of giving him a leftover shield I have, but then read in RH that the standard bearers can't have that equipment. But there was a loop looking thing on his waist so I decided to pretend it was something to carry his axe with. Who knows, maybe that is what it's for I don't know. But I like it!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49039761936_bbf7df4373_z.jpg)

So here are the leaders of my Dwarfs.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49039761626_9ec231efca_z.jpg)

I have to be honest I saw GW's plastic Runesmith and will get that at some point to make up for the one I just lost. I thought about buying an actual standard guy off Ebay, but it was either $1.40 for the bits or like $30 for an official one. I went with the $1.40 because that frees up cash for something like this guy:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49039975802_50e9c0e065_z.jpg)

My Wood Elf Battle Standard. Everything is coming together.  :::cheers:::

Oh, and speaking of Dwarves, the Warden King is haunting me and I really want it. Looks awesome. I thought about getting that and either using the one above or him for the leader of my Mordheim Treasure Hunters. No hurry on that though.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on November 10, 2019, 01:33:55 AM
Warden King?
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Artobans Ghost on November 10, 2019, 01:41:07 AM
Warden King?

AoS replacement for wfb hero.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Cèsar de Quart on November 10, 2019, 11:07:12 AM
So my Empire General was really bugging me and I had to do something. The legs on the guy are pretty static, and look fine from the front, but my guy was looking off to the side, and his feet both facing 45 degrees to the left looked dumb. So I carefully cut off his right foot and re-attached it at an angle. Came out pretty good.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49016421377_4a8707dfb4_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49015698278_d014c7de48_z.jpg)

Much better. Subtle, but it looks more natural. I would have gone further, but where the foot goes the knee kind of follows so I didn't want to over do it. Now I am really excited about the guy.

Also, I have had some problems with Standard Bearers falling over. I struggled to find some kind of weight to put under the stand and considered everything from magnets to sinkers, but at Home Depot today decided on washers. They come in all sizes and I got perfect fits for the 20mm base and the 25mm bases. Spray painted black and they will hardly be noticed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49016217701_85831c2191_z.jpg)

I say hardly noticed because despite what is going on top of the base, what is under it bothers me too.

I have always been on the fence with this guy. I disliked almost everything about his design; I hated his proportions and oversized boots, I didn't like the head expression or the limited helmet options, the poses were very limited, the armour looks wonky and not at all (NOT AT ALL) what an Imperial general should be sporting... And no fur cloak option to make him into a Knights Panther or White Wolves Grandmaster? The only things I liked were the nice flowing cape (beautifully sculpted) and the fact that we got to have a plastic Runefang. That rocks.

And the horse, the horse was the most amazing horse I had ever seen for Warhammer.

Regardless, I'm sad they took him out of stock. RIP Imperial General.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 10, 2019, 01:36:21 PM
Yeah I know what you mean about some of the parts, and the reason I didn’t buy him early on was that he his style really didn’t fit with the other models I had at the time, the vintage models. He almost looks kind of cartoony. Then again, I think most of the newer models do. It wasn’t until I got that lot that contained the horse and some of his parts did I start to appreciate him more, and at first it was to use for Mordheim.

But once I decided to get all the newer Empire models I was all in on the guy as now I felt my older heros didn’t match the style of the newer units! He is def bulky too. But he makes up for it with that crazy hat, the crow, and some other things. It’s a shame they discontinued him because kits like his and the Elf Noble give you some nice options, where as the Sigmar Free People’s General guy is really terrible and has no horse option.

I wish they had made these General/Standard kits for all the races.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on November 11, 2019, 01:40:44 PM
I wish they had made these General/Standard kits for all the races.

Me too. Only Empire, Orcs, and High Elves. High Elves actually got two sets - one hero and one wizard, both foot and mounted in a box.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 11, 2019, 03:13:15 PM
Finally got around to finishing my High Elf General!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49049422117_7444171e4a_z.jpg)

So same guy, on foot, horse, and griffon. I will do the same for my latest Empire General eventually. I am unsure on which shield to use for the Elf. The shield on the back of the general on the griffon is pretty plain looking, and looks like a regular spearman shield, which I do have, but I thought I would use something a little more blingy. The other shield the Nobel kit comes with is better, but its kinda too fancy.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49049210356_9fd418bf39_z.jpg)

I have to admit, I know it makes for a nice model, but I am not 100% crazy about the smoke effect under the mage. My view is that if all the models had fancy bases, I would do it for all. But I just don't have many that have this so I am not sure if one day I try to get rid of it. I don't know. I also did without the fallen building piece for the general's horse for the same reason, although I do have an extra horse if I want to go back and include it.

I have a complicated plan for the Wood Elves, Dark Elves, and Chaos Warriors so they might take a bit. I am also looking for a Chaos Marauder-looking sorcerer. The Chaos one I have (the latest plastic one) I think is too fancy for them. I am looking for a model with furs or some kind of rougher shaman-like look. I was thinking of using some Flagellant bits to do it. We'll see.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Warlord on November 14, 2019, 05:01:44 AM
Nice one.

I agree with you about the smoke effect.

I am
Excited to see what you do for a marauder shaman.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 14, 2019, 06:16:49 PM
Thanks!

Yeah really excited about what I am doing with the Marauders as a whole. Thinking of assembling that army next.

I need some help with the Empire Great Cannon and Mortar pieces.

(http://solegends.com/citcat2005us/c2005usp0403-00.jpg)

So I am not sure what all the pole-like parts are for. Like I know the ramrod like thing with the cushy end would be for ramming the powder and ball down the barrel, but what about the shovel looking thing (which would be the top most pole looking part molded in the hand to the right. There is one without a hand molded to it below it, and then what looks like a smaller ramrod. I know that isn't the right name but its what I got in my head at the moment.

But most importantly, I am not sure what my crews should use when placed with the mortar or cannon.

Now the little treasure chest... tools? Gun powder? What about the barrel? I know the bucket is for cooling off the inside of the barrel before reloading, but I am also not sure which of the ramrod ones would do that. Since there are two different sizes.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Cèsar de Quart on November 14, 2019, 09:20:37 PM
So I am not sure what all the pole-like parts are for. Like I know the ramrod like thing with the cushy end would be for ramming the powder and ball down the barrel, but what about the shovel looking thing (which would be the top most pole looking part molded in the hand to the right. There is one without a hand molded to it below it, and then what looks like a smaller ramrod. I know that isn't the right name but its what I got in my head at the moment.

But most importantly, I am not sure what my crews should use when placed with the mortar or cannon.

Now the little treasure chest... tools? Gun powder? What about the barrel? I know the bucket is for cooling off the inside of the barrel before reloading, but I am also not sure which of the ramrod ones would do that. Since there are two different sizes.

Thanks!

The small pole shovel is to add gunpower into the barrel of the gun. The chests usually contain cannonballs while the barrels hold the gunpowder.

As for "what should the crews do", I prefer to have them performing some fun little theatre piece. The "Engineer is drunk again!" act, or the "Careful, the gunpower's gonna blow!" act, or the "let's all just have a rest and smoke some gunpower", my favourite.

Cannon crews are a golden opportunity to add some of that ol' wacky chaeracter Warhammer had in spades and now only the Gobbos still have in AoS.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on November 14, 2019, 11:26:41 PM
The two upper poles are sponges (identified by the fleece at the end) used to clean the cannon after discharge. The one immediatey below, as CdQ indicates, is a lantern or ladle, used to bring powder into the cannon. Below that, there are two rammers, for driving home the powder and ball into the breech, separated by the (two-pronged) linstock, which holds the match for firing the cannon. Often, the sponge and rammer were combined, one at each end of a pole.
The barrel is, as CdG says, a powder barrel, but I doubt the box is a cannon ball box. As you can see here (http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=47520.msg913029#msg913029), boxes could be used for gun powder bags, but they would tend to be bigger. Given the size of the box, I suspect it just contains minor equipment for the cannon.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 19, 2019, 01:18:44 AM
Thanks guys!

I've made a rather large and somewhat embarrassing purchase, which I am happy about, just still stunned how deep I am getting into all this. Anyway, more details to come.

In the meantime, I've been working on some other projekts. As usual WFB has a lot of competition.

Some more Yamato ships from their Mecha Collection. Some of them came with smaller ships.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49087157633_a2a0b52d2b_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49087664766_158a99531d_z.jpg)

This red ship has some history. I got it as a birthday gift when I was a little kid from my sister who overheard some of my friends say it was stupid, and her feelings were hurt and she told me about it later. I was head over heels for this stuff just as much back then as I am now, and assured her I loved it. Well, decades later I found another and bought it for old times sakes, and when I showed it to her, she had no memory of getting it the first time.  :icon_surprised:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49087157508_9d1ecfd64e_z.jpg)

And this one has been one of my favorites from this series since I saw it. These kits are only about 4 inches or so long.

Along time ago I was buying up miniature games left and right. And usually they centered around a starter set (I rarely get into games without one), and some decently sized armies to tinker with. Well back in the day I got Void 1.1. There has been three very similar editions of the game, the first being the Blue Rulebook, the second being the Purple Rulebook, and the third being the Gamebox Edition. When Void first got started there weren't very many models and the story was crafted in such a way that one army could borrow units from another that would have filled a similar spot in that army.

Anyway, as the game got more popular, more resources were put into it and they eventually gave the same army book treatment GW gave 40k and WFB. Around the time the game started diving. Ironically when there were much more and diverse models than it started with.

But the armies were getting goofy. The Viridians started riding dinosaurs when though they were equipped with power armor and flew hovercrafts. The Junkers were like roman gladiators meets Madmax.

My heart is with the Purple Rulebook and the limited number of models, and I picked up all of the starter army sets they released at the time, plus or minus a few figs. Anyway, aside from basing them (giving them the Warmachine Base Treatment, and adding some texture to them, I literally have done nothing with them for almost 10 years. Well, I was re-organizing my stuff, bumped into the Gamebox Starter set, and decided to work on them a bit. Which means priming them lol. So below are the little armies I have which are all in the same point total.

The Viridians, who are your basic vanilla army or powered suit marines. In the fluff I believe all of the human armies were once part of Viridia before they broke off.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49087877417_f4c732c2c1_z.jpg)

Junkers, who reign on a harsh desert world. Lots of Roman influence on these guys. And mostly armed with short range weapons. There is a character model who is known as an Enforcer who's job it is to shoot a soldier who's unit fails morale, putting them back in line.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49087664516_826f52d46a_z.jpg)

Syntha - Basically your cyborgs. Models aren't the greatest, but they have some neat elements. The vehicle in the back is a hoverbike I haven't based yet.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49087156968_e80443f20d_z.jpg)

VASA - who are some governing body who try to oversee and manage some kind of peace I believe, but don't hold me that, its been awhile since I read up on all this. They have a really small army because the ones with the staffs and weird backpacks are really expensive. They are basically like jump packs.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49087664256_e701c652a0_z.jpg)

The last one are a Koraline (I think I got that right) - The only alien army in the game. The original version of these guys depicted snake-like aliens who would augment captured humans to use as various slave warriors. Once their army book went out they went from a sci-fi theme to one of absolute horror. Gross to the point I didn't want any of them.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49087156718_69fd2e5b1c_z.jpg)

But even still, the original ones are really strange too. Like these assault guys with the little legs!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49087156523_2aee9854df_z.jpg)

Weird!

Anyway, more on my WFB in a bit. Going to be busy the next couple of weeks so prob wont have much to offer till Dec.

AND I KNOW YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING PAINTED AS OPPOSED TO PRIMED! I MOVE REALLY SLOW ON THAT. I guess I like assembling more than I do painting.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 19, 2019, 03:46:20 AM
Has anyone ever been part of or seen a Vampire Counts vs Tomb Kings? Was that fun or what.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on November 19, 2019, 05:50:35 AM
Love the short glimpses into your hobby and some less known games/minis!

I've got a bunch of the lizard-riding guys from Void. Junkers? A bit goofy models as you said. There are some unopened blisters free for taking at the local club, but no-one wants them. Not a popular brand at all over here.

A little bit of the same with Warzone, another competitor to 40K. Got Bauhaus an Cybertron for that game. Never played though.

-Z
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: KTG17 on November 19, 2019, 04:54:58 PM
Thanks! I am still figuring out what secondary hobbies you guys have, so I am never sure how appreciated some of this stuff is. Most of what I see is very 40k/WFB centric. But if this is appreciated I will keep doing it.

Yeah I wouldn't recommend Void 1.1 today. As a matter of fact I was considering getting rid of it some time ago, but I don't really have much, and everything fits in the Gamebox, so its easy to store.

I tried really hard to get into Warzone. I did love the demons with guns thing, but the rest of the armies were really silly. Like a British corporation, German, etc, but what I did love was the WWI theme in the designs. But a lot of the early models were the goofiest around. The later models got much better, but the army lists were just odd. I eventually gave up on it and sold my entire collection. But that starter set was pretty impressive in its day.

So to give you some more insight as to what WFB has to compete with in my life I will share some more pics. Its interesting as I was thinking about writing this post, I gave some thought as to how I got here, and thought it was worth telling. I am originally from Miami, Florida, but in about 4th grade my family moved all the way to Singapore, and there is really where I discovered models, and the 1/76 Matchbox kits I posted earlier. All of asia is crazy about model kits. I was there for a year, then we moved to Hong Kong.

Hong Kong was some of my favorite days as a kid. It was still an British Colony at the time, and so there was a nice mix of east/west going on. But around this time Gundam had been out for awhile, as well as Macross and many other robot anime shows. There were robot toys and model kits everywhere. I grew up on Diaclone before they became Transformers, Dougram, Macross, and Crusher Joe before they became Battletech and Robotech. So while my American cousins were playing with Star Wars, GI Joe, and Transformers, I was knee deep in some of the coolest toys around. I used to take a taxi from our apartment up halfway up the mountain overlooking the harbor, shop downtown for a couple of hours hitting all the toy and model stores, then visit my Dads office before taking a taxi home, all at age 12. Would never allow a kid to do that here in the US. It was a very different time. I was there for 2 years and loved it before we moved to Indonesia for 3 years, which I hated.

Indonesia didn't have much going on at the time. Now I am sure they have 200 channels on cable TV, but when I lived there there was 1/2 hour of news, 1/2 hour of cultural dances, and then an hour of some US TV show dubbed in Indonesian, like the old TV show CHiPs. Or Scooby Doo. Then snow for 22 hours. And no vast amounts of toy stores to buy things at like in Hong Kong. But what I did find in Indonesia at the little grocery stores were these mini model kits made by a Japanese company called Morinaga, as shown below (unassembled and my finished one of the Galbaldy-Bs (Lila Milla Rira's version) from Z Gundam).

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090011277_6cf88f7335_z.jpg)

Each box came with a little model, which came with another box of terrible tasting candy (I would literally throw away the candy and only keep the model). The cool thing about these little kits were that they didn't require glue to assemble, and some were pretty articulated (the one above is poseable at the shoulders, thighs, and knees). The best part was they only cost $1, so when I earned some allowance I would ride my bike to the store and buy a few. They were packaged in blind packs, so you never knew which one you were going to get. Most of what I got back then was from Gundam, but I discovered in later years they made these kits for most of the anime series at the time.

Size comparison with the finished model next to an Empire General for size comparison.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090011877_962cc011ed_z.jpg)

And the general next to a 1/144 Zaku kit (waiting to be painted as usual) alongside its 1/300 Morinaga counterpart.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49089299188_72e06ec5b5_z.jpg)

Anyway, I loved these kits, along with others around that scale. When I was a kid, in school we sat at these desks where there was a shelf under the desk to store your books and supplies. The teacher couldn't see from her point of view and I would have matchbox cars, army men, you name it in there. Anything I could fit in my pocket was awesome. And living overseas, since we traveled so much, I usually had to entertain myself in hotel rooms or car trips that I didn't want to be on, so I have to stuff my bag with a lot of variety to keep me occupied so I didn't go insane.

Well that still kind of influences me today, and plus I don't have a lot of time. I went through the bigger kit phase like most people but I limit my storage and display area to my home office. You would never know from being elsewhere in my house that I have all this shit. And when people come over they are typically wowed by my office. Even my friends who hate most of this stuff can't keep themselves from going in there. But I also have a collection of old movie posters too. Originals. I have an old rare Star Wars one from the late 70s that if my house was on fire, I would run in to save it. Everything custom framed.

Anyway, one of the problems I had as a kid traveling so much, was when I actually did have money and found something I wanted, my mom would say, 'save your money and you might find something else you want later', and guess what, I typically didn't. And then when I did get them, eventually I took it all for granted and blew up hundreds of kits by strapping them to bottle rockets, shooting them up with BB guns, or literally setting them on fire as I re-enacted battles in the backyard.

When we moved back to the US it then dawned on my that I would probably never see most of these things again, and I regretted everything I did. I found some sellers here and there who sold some kits I built as a kid, but they were hard to find. It wasn't until eBay that I was able to hunt down everything on my wishlist, and man did I buy.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49089297783_7229d1e109_z.jpg)

I am after very specific things too. So each of these purchases was its own hunt. The idea was, 'I don't have time to build everything now, so just get it when you find it, and build it later when you have time'. All I'll have to do is go to the closet.

I also eventually got lucky and found a guy in Japan who would help me hunt down items over there, or bid on Yahoo Japan Auctions for me, for a 20% fee. I sent that dude $1000s of dollars. And, eventually got all the Morinagas I had as a kid and many others I didn't know about.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49089806686_cd7f4be6da_z.jpg)

I am not going to lie, some of these that sold for $1 back in the day I paid $80 for. Not many, some I bought in big lots and ended up with many duplicates. I have hundreds of these now which is really way to many. Enough to where I am making custom kits and so on. But not having these ate at me for a couple of decades, so as silly as they might look, having them really brought me back to those days as a kid, being bored in a shitty country and killing time with what few toys I could find.

So I build lots of other small kits from that time period too, like these below, from Dougram.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49089298903_d80fe8879f_z.jpg)

Some of you will recognize these from Battletech. Shadowhawk and Battlemaster I think. At any rate, these took a great deal of hunting down too. Some of my most prized models, along with 1/200 scale Macross kits. I just don't have a lot of time, nor want a ton of space dedicated to any one thing. I could build a big model, then get bored of looking at it, and then what. I prefer variety.

I should note too, that I rarely care about the stories these robots are from. When I lived overseas, I didn't speak/read the languages, and sometimes could see the shows on TV, but I had no idea what was going on, so I made my own stories up. To this day I don't care, I am a sci-fi fan, and a huge technical design fan, so I am a fan of the design first and foremost, and maybe care a little about the shows they come from. I have to be honest I think most suck. I am really not an anime fan so to speak, just love spaceships and robots.

Sometimes I spend a great deal of time on these little kits, which are old and don't have polycaps like the new ones do. Polycaps are rubber joints they place in shoulders and elbows and such for movement. Many kits are really poseable, but overtime plastic on plastic wears away, making them loose. Sometimes they are lose right away. So I have experimented with plumbers tape, superglue, green stuff, you name it, to try and make joints tight. But sometimes I just have to make my own polycaps. So below you can just see inside where I mounted one in the chest.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090011557_98e79408e9_z.jpg)

And replaced the original arm joint, with a plug that will fit into that whole.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49089807441_1208c6a04d_z.jpg)

So if I do it right you never know what I did.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49089807331_43991852dc_z.jpg)

Dougram was one of my first loves, and I have a whole shelf dedicated to it. As a matter of fact, while in college I made my first website called Dougram.com, which purpose was to find other Dougram fans and try to share info on. Met some really great peeps back in the day. Eventually I stopped maintaining the site and let the domain expire. Once I had all the info I lost interest I guess.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090010542_016afecb93_z.jpg)

For those in the know, yes, there is a Battle of Kalnock under that Battle of Stanrey. For those not in the know, these are the games that inspired Battletech. A company called Twentith Century Imports used to import them into the US with a brief translation of the rules, and FASA picked up on them and used them as a basis for Battletech, using the kits TCI was importing for their first designs (now known as the Unseen). These two games, especially in the condition they are in, are some of my most prized games.

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/8780/battle-stanrey

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/14165/battle-kalnock

So I have a lot of interests and projects and stuff getting backed up. Once and awhile I focus and finish one or two. But it isn't often. I tend to build to get me to the painting stage, where things kind of pause.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090011482_b50d4c0a3f_z.jpg)

Man I need to dust that warrior's base! lol

Part of the problem is that in order to paint I really need proper lighting and a prepped area, none of which that really works in my office area, as you can see from the lighting in my pics. But assembling I can do anywhere. Couch in front of TV, patio, even on vacation. Some peeps sit and smoke pot or watch TV, I tend to work on something with my hands. While I have a tackle box where I store everything, all it really takes me to build is what is below, most of which fits in that box.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49089297553_99af3aee6a_z.jpg)

So I just take this around with me. When I am done I assemble something else. When I get the urge to paint then I will pick one of them out.

And things do pile up. It tends to go that way, as when I see something on my wish list I just get it, knowing it might be hard to find it again. Thanks to my mom and living overseas. So this also means I tend to over-buy too, and then have to clean out some things. I tend to build up things kind of modestly in most cases, like to get a nice taste of something but not obsessively get everything. Before my dive in WFB, the most I bought into was Epic, which I literally have 1000s of models for and played the shit out of. WFB is only the second game I have every bought this much for, which is why things like Battalion/Battlefore/Starter sets are so important to me as they will have to sit for some time before I get around to them, and I don't want things cluttered.

Familiar with 1/144 F-Toys? I finally finished all my kits recently. I love WWII fighters. I even have two Finnish ones in there!  :::cheers:::

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49089806271_2b0bcdfd94_z.jpg)

EDIT: GOD DAMN MY MODELS ARE DUSTY. So embarrassed. Going to have to do some dusting soon. Which you can imagine is going to be a major pain in the ass. But I took these pics in the morning before work and was rushing and still kind of dark. Forgive me. I am neglecting miniatures.
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: GamesPoet on November 19, 2019, 06:55:10 PM
Quite the collection.  Interesting to see the robot models, although doubtful I'd ever get into those, there's just too much else on my plate, and what is has ties to my past, just like these to your's.  Like seeing the WW2 planes. :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
Post by: Zygmund on November 19, 2019, 07:45:12 PM
Another thing I really love is your "life story of miniatures", and the experience of what was available, when, and where.

Myself, I was a military modeller and model railway builder as a kid. Finland did actually have lots of stuff available, at least in the capital shops. I even remember most of those Japanese robot kits. But not everything was to have here, and it was often expensive.

My parents took the family to holidays in central/western Europe, ofcourse Sweden, but often Germany and also England. I saved for these trips, and my dad was quite free-handed during the trips, and so I brought bags full of models and railway stuff from these trips. Ah, the nostalgia!

As a kid and teenager, I was very diligent to build & paint & play what I bought. I didn't have tons and tons of stuff, but I had a lot of finished stuff. Then I moved to RPG's and books and soon afterwards moved from home, and left all my old stuff at my parents. I guess it's still there, somewhere, thickly painted and worn down. Both of my model railways were sold, but my dad still keeps the 'N' scale town houses on exhibit. Maybe some day I'll use them for something again?

-Z