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I'll wait to see a consensus, then adjust accordingly.

Quote from: bluetwyst on May 12, 2009, 02:45:38 PM

... Also, I disagree with T4, it overpowers him...

A normal Wizard Lord is also toughness 4

Just saw that

T4 is good then

Quote from: bluetwyst on May 12, 2009, 04:53:23 PM

Those rules incorporate both options, so I've merged them together. It does seem a bit powerful though. We might have to modify the cost in the State Troops thread to something higher if we use those stats.

In DoW I believe they're 10 points or so...maybe make the pike upgrade +6.

Doing it now

The pike is a sore subject for many of us. Most would like to see it in the next army book, but there are many different interpretations of the rules. Below, there are a couple different options (handily labeled with letters) for discussion. Please insert your own ideas as well.

Option A Fight in four ranks; requires two hands to use.
Always strikes first in the initial round of combat, even striking before enemies have charged. Note that enemies who are entitled to strike first by either a special ability or magic will strike before a pike-armed model.
Models receive a +1 strength bonus in the turn they are charged by cavalry units, chariots or monsters. Note that this bonus only applies to attacks against the above charging units, not against other units.
All these special rules cannot be used against enemy units fighting the pikemen in the flank or rear.

Other suggestions to change things up? To overpowered? To underpowered?

I've added heavy armor, but no combination with shields and a special weapon. I think that pikes should be able to be taken with shields, but if more people weigh in, I'll change it.

Here goes:

Empire State Troops
WS BS S T W I A Ld
 3    3  3 3 1 3 1  7
Empire Sergeant
WS BS S T W I A Ld
 3    3  3 3 1 3 2  7

Equipment: Hand Weapon, Light Armor
Points: 4

May take a shield (+1 point/model), and either a spear (+1 point/model), a halberd (+1 point/model), or a pike (+6 points/model)
May take heavy armor (+1 point/model). May not select heavy armor, a shield, and a non-hand weapon. A shield may not be combined with a pike.

If neither a spear, a pike, nor a halberd is taken, may specialize in the sword (+1 WS, +1 I) (+1 point/model)

May take a standard bearer (+4 points), a musician (+4 points), and/or a sergeant (+8 points)

For each captain or general of the empire, one magic standard can be taken up to 25 points.

Pike: Fight in four ranks; requires two hands to use.
Always strikes first in the initial round of combat, even striking before enemies have charged. Note that enemies who are entitled to strike first by either a special ability or magic will strike before a pike-armed model.
Models receive a +1 strength bonus in the turn they are charged by cavalry units, chariots or monsters. Note that this bonus only applies to attacks against the above charging units, not against other units.
All these special rules cannot be used against enemy units fighting the pikemen in the flank or rear.

Quote from: PhillyT on May 07, 2009, 09:24:25 PM

Who cares how GW does it?  Thats the REAL book.  This is a fan made book.  Design by comittee is the only way a community can produce one.

Phil

I disagree. Out of principle.

I agree with the disagreement. This book could be made by one person. My proposal is a middle ground: that each person suggests an entry and then a committee works to modify it. Then, a person or exclusive group binds them into a cohesive book. This way noone is doing loads of work, but it each person is responsible for their idea.

The subforum could work like this: All threads have to contain one (1) unit or magical item submission. The thread then will discuss that unit until it is agreed that it is either bad or good. If it is a good idea, a moderator may add a [Good] tag to it and take it down into a sticky thread at the top. If it isn't it will become locked until better ideas rise above it. Then, when there are enough good suggestions (even multiple different ways of the same unit being set up (two different swordsmen point/statline ideas for example)), the subforum moves onto phase two: Book construction. It is at this point that the very best ideas are selected and formed into a coherent, uniformely formatted section. Many different things should be discussed at this phase (changing detachment rules, magic items, special characters).

Just an idea, feel free to shoot me down on this.

I'm an idiot

Important note: The unit has to be US 5, not 5 people, so a bret formation of just 3 other knights would provide LOS.

EDIT: This has been proved wrong. Look further down to see!

Mmm! Yes! I forgot. There are two different cannons

I also believe that the wheels could potentially be done without hubcaps, but some minor conversion will be required as the hubcap does attach in the interior. It would be relatively simple to do though

Note: The engineer/tank commander doesn't come with an HLR (though something resembling one can be attached directly to the turret), sadly, but most of the other options are represented. He also has three different faces.

The choices with this new kit are really limited to:
  - A bucket of coal or a lamp at the back
  - A steam exhaust thingy or an eagle head at the top of the stack
  - The positioning of the four shields
  - Turret
      - Open or closed
      - Sniper thingy on pintle mount or no
      - Engineer options
           - Equipment
           - Face

It is slightly smaller than the metal one, comfortably fitting on a chariot base instead of just barely fitting.